Ep. 5478: A Lesson in Pragmatics.

This is the full episode of The Morning Show with Preston Scott for  Wednesday, October 22nd.

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- Tom Clavin
- L.G. Jay Collins 




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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let me add an adeptit to that ESA in case
you heard it. Store all guns safely, but make sure
they're loaded. There is no point in having a gun
for personal protection at home that's unloaded. Obviously, if you've

(00:30):
got somebody struggling with mental health issues, that changes how
you handle things at home. But this psa campaign, I
get it, you know, the whole suicide angle of this.
But there's this campaign underway. And look, we you know,
we have to air stuff that we don't necessarily agree

(00:52):
with on this program at least. And one of the
things that is important is this idea that well, you've
got to keep all firearms locked up, unloaded and behind
some in a safe or something. That's patently stupid. If
you're if you need to protect yourself, Uh, do you mind,

(01:14):
Please don't break into my home. I need to go
to the safe. Give me a second. It's a combo safe, okay,
and then I need to find my firearm and then
I need to uh to get the magazine inserted and
then racket. So hold, if you don't mind, come on, sorry,
good morning, Welcome to Wednesday on the Morning Show with

(01:37):
Preston Scott. I'm Preston. He is Jose. I don't like
being predictable, and I just I feel the needs sometimes
to respond to certain things that that we even air
on our airwaves. This is really gonna be fun. I
have two different little devotional guides on my phone, right,
and sometimes I use them and sometimes I don't. But

(01:58):
in this case, check this out. This is devotional guide
number one, Psalm thirty four, verse eighteen. The Lord is
near to the broken hearted and saves the crushed in spirit.
Encouraging right, But now chronologically we move ahead. Now in

(02:24):
my other devotional the verse of the day is Psalm
forty two, eight chapters later, just eight psalms later. It's
as if likely David the psalmist is trying to convince himself, Hey, hey, hey,

(02:45):
you remember what I said, what I wrote? Listen, Why
my soul are you downcast? Why so disturbed with me?
This is Psalm forty two, verse eleven. Put your hope
in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior

(03:06):
and my God. So you have this verse just before
the Lord is near the broken hearted and saves the
crushed in spirit. Why my soul are you downcast? Do
you see what I mean? How they just kind of
work perfectly together. It's it's like it's like David's going,

(03:28):
what's wrong with you or me? What's wrong with me?
Why am I downcast? Why? Why is my spirit so
unsettled and disturbed in me? Put your hope? He's speaking
to himself. Put your hope. He's speaking to his spirit,

(03:49):
his soul. He's saying, put your hope in God. And
then he said, for yet, I will praise him, my Savior,
my God. That's how you start your day. If you're
feeling a little sketchy about things, right, you remind yourself.
And so let's end where we started. You remind yourself

(04:13):
of that first scripture Psalm thirty four, verse eighteen. The
Lord is near the broken hearted and saves the crushed
in spirit. So when you're feeling really oppressed, and you're
really feeling downcast, the Lord is near. Be like that woman.

(04:34):
Just reach out by faith, touch, grab hold. I feel
better And I wasn't even downcast, but I feel better.
We've got a loaded program today, just worked out that way.
Tom Craven will join us in the second hour. The

(04:57):
Lieutenant Governor of the State of Florida, Jake Collins, will
join us in the third hour, and in between those
two visits, we have another edition of No Way Jose.
So we're I mean, we've got animal stories in the
next half hour. So don't you dare leave us. This
is gonna be epic. Of course they're all epic. It's

(05:20):
the Morning Show with Preston Scott. This is good. Let's
get into the American Patriots Almanac first, and then we'll
get into the National Day of It's October twenty second.

(05:41):
See if I can be disciplined and not get distracted.
So I've got time for what I want to really
dive into here. Seventeen forty six, the College of New
Jersey present day Princeton receives its charter, so Princeton was
known as the College of New Jerseys. I didn't really
know where Princeton was until a few years ago. So

(06:03):
College of New Jersey works for me. Princeton's in New Jersey,
I guess yeah, it is. Eighteen thirty six. Sam Houston
inaugurated as President of the Republic of Texas. Nineteen thirty
nine in ebittts Field, the Brooklyn Dodgers defeat the Philadelphia
Eagles twenty three to fourteen in the first Pro football

(06:27):
game to be shown on television. Think about that. Now,
the Brooklyn Dodgers was a football team. It makes sense,
doesn't it. There's got to be a great story to
how the Brooklyn Dodgers became the baseball team name because Dodgers,
you're dodging. That's football. It's this is the first time

(06:53):
I've ever thought about that there was a football team
called the Brooklyn Dodgers. That's crazy. JFK announces the blockade
of q Uba in response to the discovery of Soviet
missiles on the island in nineteen sixty two. Nineteen sixty eight,
Apollo seven, the first man to polo mission, safely returns
to Earth. So they have the events of history. Now.

(07:14):
Today is National Medical Assistance Recognition Day. We see you,
National Make a Dog's Day, Be Kind to a Dog,
National Color Day, National Nut Day. I got my almonds

(07:36):
right here with sabi soy. Maybe the best almond ever
in terms of the flavored almonds. Although I look, I'll
eat a plain almond as long as it's got a
little something, just a little salt or something. But here
we go. It is National Tavern Style Pizza Day. Do

(08:00):
you know what makes up a tavern style pizza. What
is the key component that signifies a tavern style pizza
A thin crust. Yes, I'm a pizza connoisseur. You knew that.
Oh yeah. What's interesting to me is that allegedly Chicago

(08:29):
is kind of the home of the tavern style pizza.
And I've always thought Chicago was the home of the
deep dish pizza. You know, you got New York, the
big old greasy slices that fold in half. There is
something good. Soborrow's was kind of the best at bring

(08:50):
in it nationwide. Now, A Home Run in Pizza was
apparently the start of the tavern pizza thing, and it's
based in Chicago. The first home run pizza. Home Run
in Pizza is there, and they have frozen pizzas that
are out. I think they're trash. I can't stand them.

(09:15):
I've tasted every frozen pizza that's known to man, and
I'm boy, I'm picky and obviously give you fresh every time,
and I'll and I prefer to make my own over that.
But sometimes you just want to grab a frozen pizza
and put it in the oven. But this is this
is where it got really interesting. When I did a

(09:35):
little back digging here on this whole thing. Pizza is
said to come from the Italian word pizzica, which is mean,
which means to pinch. Pizzica pizza ca Pizza was served
to soldiers in ancient Rome. It was believed to give
courage and strength before battle. Saturday night the most popular

(10:01):
night for eating pizza. Makes sense. Thin crust the most
popular style served. I get that it's not as filling.
You can eat more stuff, A thin crust pizza is
you can just crush it. And Americans consume on average
twenty three pounds of pizza per person per year. Honestly,

(10:27):
you know what they said to that, that's all. I
won't give up how much pizza I eat in a year.
I'll just say I'm averaging out somebody who eats a
quarter of that. Seventeen past the hour, have yourself a

(10:51):
pizza today, crust, thin crust, tavern style. Did you know

(11:16):
each person's fingerprints are unique, but for dogs it's their
nose print? Makes sense, Absolutely makes sense. I told I
told Jose I was gonna do animal stories here, but
I'm gonna pause and put them. Just see what I
did there and put those uh, put those stories into

(11:37):
tomorrow or Friday's show because I want to keep talking
about pizza. I wanted to get Jose's thoughts on the
different kinds of pizzas that are out there, For example,
Deep Dish. What makes a perfect Deep Dish pizza to you?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh, it's going to have to be the feeling the
stuff you put inside of it, and then the sauce,
not the caramelized crust, because a lot of people will
say that's the whole point of a Deep Dish pizza.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Is that thick side that you gotta get caramelized. It's
got to be really, really properly baked on the outside.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
I personally never really paid attention to that, okay part
of it.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Are you a Deep Dish fan? Yeah, you're like me,
I'll eat it if it's the only thing that's there, right.
Sauce is sauce the most important part of a pizza
to you? It plays a big role. Yeah, see to me,
if the sauce isn't right. It's like Domino's does a
great of the chains. Dominoes does a great job with

(12:49):
their menu selection, but their sauces to me, always been lacking.
Now I'll always take a local own and operate a
pizza place over a chain whenever possible, but sometimes a
chain is all you got because the other place might
be closed or you need something delivered, and you know,
it's just it's just simpler that way. But the Detroit
style pizza, you know what that is.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's it's like the crackery crust of.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's the sauce is on top. Oh all right? They
that The big difference with Detroit style is they put
the sauce on the top, not underneath. It's ladled over
the top of it, and it's and it's different because
of the orientation of the bite and where the tongue hits.
You know, It's like a lot of people would prefer

(13:38):
the sauce to be kind of right there on top
of the crust, which is why it's most pizzas are
made that way, but the Detroit style puts it at
the end. It's kind of like the little the ending
of the bite. You said something to me, though, Yeah,
because you claim to be a pizza conoisseur.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, I might catch a lot of heat for this,
but I personally love a simple cheese pizza And I
don't know if anybody's ever tried this.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Hang on, what cheese goes on your cheese pizza? Mozzarella
not a mix of multiple Italian cheeses cheddar ever go
on your pizza? No? See, I think that's sacrilege. Yeah,
it's sacrilege to my eyeballs, unless you're making one of
those like a barbecue chicken pizza or a hamburger a

(14:31):
cheeseburger pizza, which just seems weird to me. But I mean,
I can put my teeth into a barbecue chicken pizza
as long as it's not the onions aren't like ridiculous.
But but you take this this cheese pizza thing to
a whole nother level.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, I drizzle some ketchup on my cheese pizzas.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Don't long before you try it. Yes, I'll it before
I try it.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
You know, our tongues and our brains like the combination
of fat and acid.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, explain that it's a science thing.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I don't know if we have enough time.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
For me to get in this. No we don't, but
just explain real quickly.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, well, the vinegar in the ketchup mixes really well
with a fat from.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
The cheese, so it's just incredibly.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Delicious' That wouldn't that wouldn't that acidity be in in
a pizza sauce?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
You get more acidity in ketchup. Yeah, because usually inside
of the range of the cheese is just a little
bit of sauce.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Usually. I can't do it. Yeah, I was, I was
talking the other day. It's I just I my brain
won't go that way. Try it. No, it's good. I won't.
It's good. Nope, not going to happen. It's like I
can't eat salsa that's green. You remember when green ketchup
was a thing. Can't do it, cannot do it. It's

(15:56):
just made with green tomatoes or it's dyed green or whatever.
I have no idea, but it's like I look at
it and just I'm petrified what my eyes are assaulted
by that. I can't do that. And after you know,
you look at red salsa all your life, and all
of a sudden you see that salsa verdi that's the
green stuff. No, No, I can't. I can't anyway. Twenty

(16:25):
eight minutes after the hour, are you hungry?

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Now?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It is a national tavern style pizza daddy with a
big hug and a pat on your head. That's right.
We're here to make it all better. Good morning, everybody.
Welcome Wednesday on the program Big Stories in the press Box.
The Organization Defending Education has filed a civil rights complaint

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against the Minneapolis public schools SYSTEMA is a disaster. They
have filed the lawsuit based on curriculums, specifically its Ethnic
Studies course, which not only teaches students that race essentialism

(17:20):
is a thing, but that capitalism and Western culture are
exploitive and lead to slavery, colonialism, genocide, and white supremacy.
It goes deeper. The curriculum taught in the public schools

(17:44):
is being shoved down the throats of these kids, and
they're discriminating against students based on race. For example, high
schools in Minneapolis, some of them are prohibiting white and
Asian students from enrolling in certain courses on black culture.

(18:06):
The courses count towards elective requirements, meaning that white and
Asian students must choose from a narrower list of class
options to graduate. That violates the Fourteenth Amendment. But that's
not all. In nineteen fifty four, the Supreme Court outlawed

(18:32):
any type of instruction based on race it was Brown
versus Board of Education, and Title six of the Civil
Rights Act requires color blindness. It states, no person in
the United States shall, on the ground of race, color,
and national origin, be excluded from participation in, or denied to,

(18:54):
be denied benefits of, or be subject to discrimination under
any program or activity receiving federal assistance in any form.
I just it's almost like, well, that's great, fine, sue them.
But this is why public schools across this country are

(19:16):
hemorrhaging students. The public school system cannot be trusted. Republicans
now are stepping up and telling how Speaker Mike Johnson.
Thirteen Republicans have signed a letter thanking him for his

(19:37):
leadership during the shutdown, agreeing with the kind of principal
decisions to hold course. But these thirteen Republicans are requiring
that might not be the right word, but are asking

(19:57):
that Obamacare has to be addressed and dealt with immediately
after the shutdown ends. Now, I don't think that'll get
it done. And even if you did get it done,
there's not any agreement among conservatives and the Republican Party
at large on what that means moving forward about Obamacare.
Obamacare is the reason why healthcare costs of spiral. It's

(20:21):
not the entire reason, but it's certainly one of them.
And then lastly, House Judiciary Committee has referred former CIA
director John Brennan to the Department of Justice for criminal
prosecution he lied to Congress allegedly. The Committee, in a

(20:46):
release statement, claims the former CIA director made quoting now,
made numerous willfully and intentionally false statements of material fact
contradicted by record established by the House Permanent Select Committee
on Intelligence and the CIA. We'll have more on that

(21:07):
next hour. Forty minutes past. Tom Claven the book Running Deep.
At the top of the next hour, got the advanced

(21:33):
reader copy of Running Deep just in time for Veterans Day.
World War two story, true story bravery survival. It's the
story of the deadliest submarine in World War Two, the
USS Tang, that crew, that captain who It's a great

(21:57):
story and one of our best guests, Tom Claven. I've
probably interviewed Tom now close to ten times over the
years with different books, and I have so many of
his books in my collection, and some of them, yes,
sent by publishers, but some of them purchased as well.

(22:18):
And love, love Tom Claven. His writing, his research is remarkable.
I don't know if you have heard the news. Jeff
Charles writes about this for town Hall. Barry Weiss took
over a few weeks ago as the new editor in

(22:40):
chief at CBS News, and Weiss held a similar position
with The New York Times. I believe it was and
she said, I've had enough of the bias in this newsroom.
I want to say she was in charge of the

(23:01):
opinion page, but anyway, so she has a meeting with
the staff of sixty minutes, and according to The New
York Times, she absolutely floored everybody in the room when
she asked one question, why does the country think you're biased? Now?

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Just imagine that setting. I don't know if that meeting
included the talent some of the ABC News legends, the
Leslie Stalls of the world. You know, I don't even
know half the names anymore. I know that Anderson Cooper's

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involved with them, even though he's a he was traditionally
seen an end guy. But the staff, according to the Times,
was stunned. Stunned awkwardness. According to three people who recounted
the details from the private session. The exchange is added

(24:15):
to the uncertainty that has settled over CBS News as
hundreds of producers, anchors, correspondents take stock of their institution's
unorthodox new boss in her first two weeks on the job.
The reason why they're stunned is they don't remember and
they don't understand that they have routinely smeared Republicans and

(24:37):
propped up Democrats for decades now. They don't remember when
they falsely accused Florida Governor Ronda Santus to pay to
play involving publics. You remember that during COVID, when in fact,
it was Palm Beach County that specifically asked the governor
to get vaccines during COVID push out through publics. Had

(25:02):
nothing to do with the fact that public supported his campaign.
It was a request from Palm Beach County. Even Democrats
in the state called the story intentionally false and that
CBS should be ashamed. How about the editing of Kamala
Harris in the interview during the campaign. They took her

(25:23):
words salad and tried to make her sound intelligible, which
they did for a brief moment. Or what about even
two thousand and three, Do you remember Rathergate Dan rather
had a fabricated memo that he used as quote evidence
that George W. Bush was not fit to serve, that
he was grounded from flying for failing to take a

(25:47):
flight physical, that he got excused from drills because of
who he was. All of it was made up, none
of it was accurate. Minutes has maintained a clear bias
in favor of the left for ever. And so the

(26:10):
fact that you've got the new editor in chief asking
one question, why does the country think you're biased? And
they're incapable of doing a little self reflection in seeing it.
That's why I don't watch sixty minutes anymore. And even
if I did stay up, I still wouldn't watch it

(26:33):
because I have the option of recording it with a DVR.
I have no interest in it. Every now and then
they'll pump out a very simple little piece that's fascinating,
but when they get into the stuff about the operation
of this country, I don't trust them. Forty seven minutes
past the hour, some actions taken by the President. Next,

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all right, the president is given an ultimatum to Hamas
on truth social He wrote, numerous of our now great allies,
all in upper case in the Middle East and areas
surrounding the Middle East have explicitly and strongly, with great enthusiasm,

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informed me they would welcome the opportunity at my request
to go into Gaza with a heavy force and straighten
out Hamas. If Hamas continues to act badly in violation
of their agreement with US. You almost get the feeling
there are some people that would love to kick Hamas in.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Them, but.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
There could be ulterior motives try to get a foothold
in the region themselves. He went on to state there
is still hope that Hamas will do what is right.
He said, if they refuse to back down, the end
to Hamas will be fast, furious, and brutal. That's what
it ought to be anyway. He then thanked Indonesia for

(28:16):
its assistance with the issue and asked for our attention
to this matter. I love it. Thank you for your
attention on this matter. Okay, he has said that they
will be disarmed forcefully as needed. That should have been

(28:39):
done already. I personally have no problem sending Americans to
be part of a force of multiple nations, but I
also would respect the decision to not send Americans. He's

(29:07):
not naming the nation. So is he playing a bluff
or is he just withholding any possible reprisal by Iran
against these names. I don't know. I don't know either
as possible. Either one of those choices could be accurate,

(29:30):
it could be a combination. And then this one leaves
me scratching my head just a little bit. The administration
has reached an agreement with the American Federation of Teachers,
that's Randy Weingarten's group involving a case with the Department

(29:51):
of Education, resolving months of legal tension over the government's
obligation to cancel student debt for borrowers who have made
decades of payments under federal law. If I'm not mistaken,
this is a Biden deal that got passed. But there
are a lot of conditions here. But let's just say,

(30:12):
under no circumstances should anybody have alone canceled unless there's
something like the person served our country and died in
service to our country, and they've got a loan that
shouldn't be dumped on the family.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Stuff like that I'm good with. But for the person
that went out and got alone and then paid it back,
you've got to be livid at the idea that other
people who didn't necessarily pay it all back are going
to get the rest of it forgiven. In some cases,
some are getting money back. It's like crazy. I think

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it's a bad choice. I don't care what the reason
was for the settlement. It's just in spirit that doesn't work,
all right? Tom Claven joins me. Next the book Running Deep.
If I passed the hour, let's get to it. Second

(31:13):
hour of the Morning Show with Preston Scottie's Ose. I
am Preston and this is author Tom Claven. The latest
book is Running Deep, Bravery Survival and the True Story
of the deadliest submarine in World War Two. Tom, welcome
back to the show. How are you a friend?

Speaker 5 (31:29):
I'm fine. Thank you for having me back.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I love having you on this program, especially when you
write these books. Man, I want to ask you. Is
researching and writing for you? Is it more than just
a profession? Is this your hobby? I mean, do you
do anything else?

Speaker 5 (31:48):
I don't do anything else? Well that way, I mean
I tell people all seriousness that I have though other
talents of skills, so I stick to the one thing
I know how to do.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Because you the variety of books what I love, of course,
and listeners of the program, No, I don't generally talk
to people that write novels. I love history. I love
the true stories of history, and there are so many
and this is perfect timing Veterans Day coming up. But
I always ask, Okay, where did you stumble upon the

(32:20):
story of the USS tang.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
I was researching something else and I came across a
line in a book somewhere that compared Captain Richil Kane
to Audie Murphy. Now, for some of your listeners might
not remember, but Audie Murphy was the most decorated Army
soldier in World War two US Army soldier and richiel
O Kine was the most decorated Navy officer of World
War Two. But nobody heard of Richil O Kine. So

(32:45):
I had to find out more about him. And that's
how he's captain of the tank which became the most
effective summary of World War Two. Of the Americans and
the submarines sank. So there were survivors, including the captain,
and they had to survive this jeff These torture camp.
And that said to me, this is a story about survival,
and I want to write it, I.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Would Okay, let's set the stage. What part of World
War two the theater? Because I think most people, even
those that are maybe World War two officionados, when they
hear submarine, they're thinking Germans. They're thinking of the U boats, right,
they're the most notoriously well known submarines. Where is the

(33:28):
Tang operating and at what part of World War Two?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
Well, the Tang was first launched in early nineteen forty four,
and it was operating only in the Pacific Ocean, in
the Pacific theater, and that's where most of the submary
activity was because you had the vast regions of the
Pacific Ocean. So the Tang was very effective. It was
not the only submarine, of course, that the Americans deployed,
but it was the most successful.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
When we think of submarines, I think obviously all of
us look at it through the lens of the technology
of the day. How important were submarines in World War
Two to the US naval operations?

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Well, that became clear right after Pearl Harbor, because when
the disaster of Pearl Harbor meant that many of our
surface ships were not available anymore. The aircraft carriers and
destroyers they were either sunk or they were so at
damage they would not come back into action for months
and not a year or so. Well, we had left
with the submarines, which was pretty much untouched, and that
was our last line of defense for months and months

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and months until we started to rebound. Our manufacturing plants
were turning out more ships. But if for the submarines,
and Japanese could have certainly invaded Hawaii and possibly even
the west coast of the mainland. So the submarines played
an important role, which surprised everybody because they don't think
considered very important. It was that was as important as
the surface ships.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
You say that, and it's interesting to me because the
surface ships tend to get the notoriety the aircraft carriers
and some of the battleships. Submarines, I guess maybe appropriately
they bask in anonymity.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
They do. It was called the silent Service in World
War Two because they did operate all let's face it,
they operated below the surface of the water, were as
obvious visibly as an aircraft carrier or a battleship. And
one of the reasons why they could be successful is
they had to be stealthy. You know they had to
go under water and try and go you surprise enemy ships.

(35:24):
So yes, they were. To this day you could say
that the submarines don't get the kind of attention that
the surface ships do.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
It's another great book by Tom Claven. The book is
Running Deep, Bravery Survival and the True Story of the
deadliest submarine in World War Two. We'll continue our discussion
with Tom next on The Morning Show with Preston Scott.

(35:55):
Back with best selling author Tom Claven the book Running Deep. Tom,
you mentioned the captain of the USS Tang, Richard O'Kaine.
What did you learn about him before his service in
the United States Navy.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
He was a native of New Hampshire and from when
he was a kid he wanted to be in the Navy.
He loved sailing, built his own little sailboats. And he
was not a brilliant student in Annapolis, but he graduated
pretty high up in his class, and he went into
as most graduates did. He went into service ships who
worked on the battleship. But like some other officers, and

(36:34):
since he decided he wanted to try submarines, and I
should point out that submarine service was completely voluntary. He
could not be assigned to work on a submarine for
the obvious reason that you supposed you have a clausophobia
issue or just discomfort with being underwater three hundred feet.
So he volunteered, he was underwent training, and then he
became the executive officer on a boat called the Wahoo,

(36:56):
which was very successful in World War Two. And so
when the tank was being built and he's a captain
that was going to, you know, take it to the
next level. And Okaine was chosen to be captain of
the of the tank.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
What were his orders? What was he tasked to do
and accomplish?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Well, that's a good question because one of the things
that the Navy did was they would send out the
submarines and like wolf packs, uh, two or sometimes three,
sometimes maybe even four submarines would would go out together
so they could support each other. Okaine did not like
to do that. He wanted to be the lone wolf.
He took the tangle very independently on its own roots
and phone search search and patrols and and and uh.

(37:36):
That's how it became, I think so effective because he
could go wherever he wanted to, and he had unusual
instinct for knowing where the enemy was.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So was he doing this on his own or was
he doing it with the approval of the higher ups?

Speaker 5 (37:49):
Well, I wouldn't exactly use the word approval, but the
the hility named Blockwood, who was a wink you know,
i'd like, stick with your colleagues, wink wink. Yeah. Fellow
Charles Lockwood was the Admiral in charge of submarines of
the Pacific, and he had so like a paternal relationship
with O'Kane. You have to remember to o'kine when he

(38:11):
was a named captain of the Tang, was only thirty
two years old. There, these are still very young men
who were putting positions a great responsibility.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
When you came across this story, like, I love asking
this question of you each time we have you on
the program. Where do you get your research? Were there
any surviving members? Were there members of family?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
You know?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I mean, who'd you talk to?

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Well, the last survivor of the Tang was a fellow
named boats His nickname was boats live Bold and he
died at ninety nine during the pandemic. So when I
started to work on this story, there was no living
survivor of the USS Tang However, there's reports, there's deep
briefings when they when maybe liberated the camp prison camp

(38:56):
was liberated and they could recover from their ailments. They
were interviewed really extensively, and those interviews exist. They could
be found either in the Library of Congress or the
World War Two Museum in New Orleans. And Ocaine himself
he wrote sort of a memoir called Clear the Bridge
about his time as captain of the Tang, and that

(39:17):
was very helpful. Not the most exciting read, but it
was very helpful with details.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Joining us on the program is Tom claven the book
Running Deep Bravery, Survival and the True Story of the
Deadliest Submarine in World War Two. Before we go to break,
Tom kind of quantify that statement deadliest submarine in World
War Two, because that's lofty.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
It is. And the Tang sank thirty three Japanese ships
and it was by far the most ships sunk by
a single submarine in World War Two. So not only
sank ships, but it closed the Japanese many times to
alter their roots, to sometimes not even send out convoys
because they were afraid the Tangs out there somewhere, so

(39:58):
were effective by sinking shipts but there reativity and changed
the Japanese thinking about where they both could go.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
But there was one particular convoy that met a very
unfortunate fate at the hands of the Tang. Correct.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yes, you know in October nineteen forty four, so we
were talking about eighty one years ago. The Tang by
itself encountered an entire Japanese convoy and took on. Rather
than let it go or miss out on some success here,
it attacked the entire convoy by itself. And it was
during this attack on a convoy which was successful and

(40:32):
almost every ship was sunk. The Tang actually was sunk itself.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, I want to get to that and talk a
little bit more about life on board a submarine and
the aftermath of that sinking and the fact that some
even survived the sinking of a submarine is remarkable to me.
Tom Claven with us the book Running Deep, Perfect for
Veterans Day, perfect in advance of Christmas for those of

(40:56):
you who have a friend or family member that loves
World War two history. It's sixteen past the hour. It's
great storytelling, incredible research, but the core of it all

(41:18):
is a great story that Tom Claven, author of running
deep stumbled across reading another book and just seeing the
name Captain Richard O'Kane, and we were just talking to
the break, going huh, and then it turns into a
book project. Would what did you learn about life aboard
a World War two submarine? What was it like? Tom?

Speaker 5 (41:39):
Well, during the break you use an expression as like
a city underwater. That's sort of like a submarine has
to be very self contained because you take off and
as a case of the Pacific Ocean, for example, you
have thousands of miles from your base camp. So you
bring your kitchen with you, you bring your showers, your bathrooms,
you bring a living quarters such as they are. I

(42:00):
mean the they had this set of hammocks and the
torpedo rooms to have enough space everybody could sleep on
a submarine, so it's a very cramped, claustrophobic environment. You
could be underwater for weeks at a time, I mean,
so you have to surface from time to time to
recharge your batteries, but for the most part, for weeks
at a time. You're on a war patrol. In World
War two, you're not you don't see the sky. And

(42:20):
if some of the listeners can imagine, I can't live
like that. While the hundreds of these fells, a thousands
of these cells did during World War Two, and they
also do that they are tremendous risks. The mortality rate
for a submarine sailor was six times that of a
surface ship sailor. So they had to know that what
they were doing were particularly dangerous.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know, you mentioned that they they were volunteers, because
you can't assign somebody to something that is so restrictive
on so many different fronts. How did they handle just
the resupply, the refueling. Was that all done at sea?
I mean, how'd they coordinate all that?

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Well? In the case of the Navy during World War too,
you had Pearl Harbor was the main basin of the Pacific,
even you know, had it recovered rather quickly the devastation
of December nineteen forty one. Then you had Midway was
a tall and had field capacity that the submarines was
coming in the top off their tanks and then they
would be guam as the As the US allies and

(43:19):
their allies got further and further west in the Pacific,
they would set up more and more bases farther away
from Pearl Harbor, where submarines and other ships could go
to refuel. Because it's true, you know the extent of
your mission. Don it last only as long as your fielded.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
You mentioned in the last segment that the USS Tang
met its fate at its own hand. Give us a
little bit more on that.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Well, it was attacking this convoyant thinking ships left and right,
and they had one torpedo left. I should point out
that the World War two submarine had twenty four torpedoes,
and when you used to fire the last one, your
mission is over. You go back to base. And had
one more torpedo left. They fired it at this wounded
Japanese ship. The torpedo Blmerang came back and struck the Tang.
Now it's sent to the bottom, one hundred and eight

(44:04):
feet down. It came to rest on the bottom. But
yet the captain and nine of the sailors survived. Now
that's the good news that they survived. The bad news
was they were picked up almost immediately by a Japanese
patrol boat. Who were these people. You can imagine we're
very upset because they'd just seen the submarine devastate their convoy.
So they ended up The Captain o' kaine and his

(44:26):
men ended up in a Japanese prison camp where they
spent most of the next year in the most trendous conditions.
So it's really running Deep is a story of survival
of the US Navy after Pearl Harbor, the survival of
the Tang after got sunk, and the survival of Captain
O'Cain and his men in this prison camp before it
was liberated.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Did have the remains of the Tang ever been found?

Speaker 5 (44:48):
No, they have not. They have a pretty good idea
and foremost straight what was called at the time the
foremosta straight where the tang is located. But you know,
these are very expensive salvage operations, and there has to
be a motivation.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
You know.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Sometimes you read it about they raised this whole Spanish
ship from seventeen ninety. You know that because it contains
gold that was being shipped, the Tang is probably just
a pilot rusted vett by now really an incentive to
go get it.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
So Captain Richard O'Kane and six seven eight of his
men survive the war. What happens to them, what happens
to the captain.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Well, the captain when he barely survived. He was when
he was captured, he was one hundred seventy hundred and
seventy five pounds and he was ninety when the camp
was liberated. He had to went a terrible experience, but
he kept his men together and kept them billion helped
kept the qute them alive. And after the camp was
liberated at the end of August nineteen forty five, he
had spent months. He spent months in the cuperating for

(45:44):
his injuries, and he was able to in early nineteen
forty six limp into the White House and receive the
Mettle of Honor from President Truman.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Amazing story, Tom. I can't wait to see the next
project and hear what's coming our way. But thank you
so much for this book, Running Deep In for the time.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I appreciate it. Tom Craven with us this morning on
The Morning Show with Preston Scott. The book is Running
Deep Bravery Survival and the true story of the deadliest
submarine in World War Two. Perfect for Veterans Day, perfect
for Christmas. It's a great book for the historian or
the naval officionado in the family here on The Morning

(46:29):
Show with Preston Scott. The Morning Show with Preston Scott,

(47:01):
thanks again to offer Tom claven the book again running deep.
Next hour, the LG as they like to refer to
him as the Lieutenant Governor j Collins joining us. Jay
Collins wanting to wanted to spend some time talking. I
like that. Hey, you know, we'll put them on. We

(47:25):
cabinet members, members of the State House and Senate don't
don't want to talk to me so much right now.
It's okay, it's all right. I don't take it personal
just because I I used to get all kinds of
Christmas cards and I don't get any now. No, it's true,
true story I used to have. I've got this big

(47:45):
window between my studio and Jose Studio, and down the
way there was another big window. It wasn't as big
between the old studios where we worked, studios one A
and one B or sorry, it was five A and
five B. And but this one I used to it's
a wooden frameer on these this big glass and this
windows probably four feet tall by six feet wide, and

(48:09):
a big thick four inch frame around it. I used
to stick cards all the way around from you know,
state lawmakers and lobbyists and all these different people. I
don't get any cards anymore State Republican Party not Nope,
I got nothing. Didn't take long before those Christmas cards

(48:33):
stopped coming. Anyway, big stories in the press box, Let's
take a minute on this. One. House Judiciary Committee referred
CIA director former CIA director John Brennan aka Evil Doctor Evil,
to the Department of Justice for a criminal prosecution for

(48:56):
criminal prosecution allegedly lied to Congress as relates to Steele dossier. Now,
inside the referral, they say that Brennan falsely denied that
the CIA relied on the discredited Steele dossier in drafting
post election Intelligence Community assessment, and it's been proven patently false.

(49:18):
The dossier was commissioned. Remember now that Steele dossier was commissioned.
It was paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign in
twenty sixteen. The current Director of National Intelligence, Tulca Gabbard,
exposed Brennan's alleged lie earlier in the year. But now
the House Committee's investigated that allegation and has found it

(49:38):
to be credible. But there's this, courtesy of town Hall.
One analyst came forward to expose Brennan's efforts to manipulate
the intelligence. However, the Senate Intelligence Committee, headed by Senator
Mark Warner, Democrat from Virginia, silenced him. Who the analyst.

(50:02):
The analyst was threatened by staff working for then Director
of National Intelligence James Clapper. You know the guy who
invented lights on, lights off the Clapper. No, just kidding,
He did not invent that, but staff working for Clapper

(50:22):
said the guy would be passed over for a promotion
if he refused to back the agency's false narrative about
Trump colluding with the Kremlin. So John Brennan, who I
have maintained all along, this guy is dirty as they come.

(50:43):
I personally think that John Brennan and others involved in
the Obama white House have been intimately involved in shall
we say, the efforts to disrupt the Trump presidency in
multiple forms, You know what I mean? I believe that

(51:04):
with all my heart. The other big story Republicans. Some
Republicans now pushing to renew Obamacare subsidies, but they are
rejecting the Democrats shut down tie in. But they think
that they have to address Obamacare, and I don't disagree.
You have to deal with it. It's law. It is
what it is. You can't just pretend it doesn't exist.

(51:26):
And then the other big story, the organization called Defending
Education filing a civil rights complaint over Minneapolis Public School's
race based curriculum. My point in bringing this story up
because most of our listeners are in Florida, not all.
I've got listeners in the Twin Cities. I have listeners
all over. But the reason why is that you keep

(51:48):
your eye on what is coming home from your kids' school,
what's being taught, what's happening. And it's why I believe
you need to roll tape in every classroom, not live.
You don't live stream it, but I believe you record
everything that's being taught in the classroom. Forty minutes past
the hour. More to come here on the Morning Show

(52:09):
with Preston Scott. More inside the classroom. This is in Florida,
in fact, Orange County Horizon High School. A guy who

(52:33):
teaches comprehensive law, honors and economics. Excuse me, okay, okay, law,
honors and economics in high school. His name is William Loggins.
He was forced to take down a poster of Turning
Point USA founder Charlie Kirk. He was made to take

(52:56):
it down from his classroom. Now, let's put some context
to this. On the walls of his classroom are posters
of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ronald Reagan. But a
student complained about the poster that has Charlie Kirk with
the quote never underestimate the power of your voice and

(53:17):
the impact you can have on the world when you
speak up for what you believe in. That's it. But
because the student complained, our little snowflake complained about it
to the school. The school district authorities admitted the poster
didn't say anything controversial and was inspirational, but the Charlie

(53:40):
Kirk was a controversial political figure and that it would
have to come down. So he's filed a lawsuit. Teachers
pushing back. He's filed a grievance against the school alleging
its viewpoint discrimination. Leadership says that the decision does not conflict.
Now this is here the lesson ready. The school is

(54:03):
saying it doesn't conflict with the memo from the Florida
Commissioner of Education, an Astasio Kamutzos. We've had him on
the show that he put out on online posts by
school employees after Kirk's murder. An educator's personal views that

(54:24):
are made public may undermine the trust of the students
and families they serve. If an educator's conduct causes a
student or is or her family to feel unwelcome or
unwilling to participate in the learning environment, it may be
a violation of rule. Blah blah blah blah blah. Katsumuzzo's
made clear this is about comments dealing with the assassination

(54:48):
of Charlie Kirk. This is classic legalism being used by
the school in the district. We're just following what the
commissioner said. What there aren't people that think Ronald Reagan's controversial,

(55:12):
or Martin Luther King or even Rosa Parks to some people.
I think she's a hero, but some people think controversy.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
So what.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
But how about the quote? They agreed, nothing wrong with
a quote. Never under estimate the power of your voice
to impact the have on the world when you speak
up for what you believe. So good news. He's pushing back.
He's got an attorney, Anthony Sabatini, and he is not

(55:44):
going to just allow this to be. He's not going
to just allow himself to be bullied. You know, it
reminds me of what Ted Copple allegedly said to Duke
University years ago. Ted Copple, of course the former. For
some of you younger, you have no idea who Ted
Copple is. Ted copplell Be came a thing in America
because of the Iran hostage crisis, the one in the

(56:06):
nineteen seventies that Ronald Reagan inherited from Jimmy Carter. Ted
Kopple gave a commencement address at Duke University after he
had been host of Nightline for number of years, and
he said, when Moses came down from Sinai, he didn't

(56:27):
come with ten suggestions. This is one of those areas
where I am so over people lying about defaming, slandering,

(56:49):
libeling Charlie Kirk. Thankfully, there are people that are fighting that, thankfully.
Turning point you ua say, is only growing, but it's annoying.
He's a controversial figure. Think about why because he said

(57:12):
he went to the enemy's territory and said, let's talk.
Forty seven minutes past we come back. No way of
say I did it again? Hold on. Now, We're we're

(57:34):
doing this. We're gonna get it right. It's gonna it's
gonna fire eventually. Why my lap, my laptop, my desktop
just freezes sometimes like this is beyond frustrating. Take two.
It's time for another edition friends of No Way jose

(57:59):
on the Morning Show with Preston Scott hit it.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
How do you amigos and amigos, which.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Translates to friends roughly, Thanks for that, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
So I want to talk about Jesus, particularly in Papua
New Guinea. As for in March twenty twenty five, they
made an amendment in their constitution to officially declare itself
a Christian nation.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Get out of here, no way oseh. Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
The new preamble names God the Father, Jesus, Christ the Son,
and the Holy Spirit as a nation's creator and sustainer.
When did they do this in March twenty twenty five?
Just this past spring, this past spring.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
And another really cool thing about it is, okay, the
amendment recognizes the Bible as a national symbol for the
first time in the country's history.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Wow. Yeah, I saw a picture with someone got radically saved.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, yeah, I saw a picture with you know, one
of one of the Papua New Guinea tribal people. Yeah,
and he's like all in his tribal gear holding a
bible you know in their language.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Is so cool. That is awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Okay, yeah, so and uh people may have heard of
basket weaving, underwater basket weaving that they offer in liberal colleges.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, it's of course that you get for easy credit.
Absolutely yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Well there's an underwater pumpkin carving contest you want. You're
not going to find that in any college, but you
will find it. And uh here in Florida, in the
Gulf of Mexico. Let me see where wait, the golf
of what, Pensacola, the Golf of what?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Oh sorry, America, my cheese.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Uh So in Pensacola, Florida, U certified scuba divers carved
pumpkins twelve feet under water four contest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
No now this year is no way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah yeah yeah, and I'm just learning this, but it's
the thirty sixth year apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
What they've been doing this for thirty almost four decades. Yeah,
almost four decades. That's crazy, Yeah, absolutely wild. And uh,
chat GPTs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Not just for tech anymore. Yeah, you can use it
as a lucky charm. On account of it won a
lady one hundred thousand dollars in the lottery.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
How so she uh well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Tammy aged forty five of U Somewhere in Michigan. She
used chat chat GPT to generate powerball numbers when the
jackpot topped one billion, and she matched four white balls
and the powerball, which normally was fifty thousand dollars, but
because she matched Powerball, she got one hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So if you match four numbers in the big lottery,
you win. If you get the four numbers and the
and the and the super Bowl or whatever it did
power ball, it doubles it. That's right. So okay, you
don't have to nail all the numbers to win. No, no, no,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I actually know somebody that that won about four or
got four numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
They thought they didn't win. They threw it away. Yeah,
so I was like, whoopsies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Wow, any idea how much they threw away.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
It's probably like a million something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
That's crazy, no way ose? Yeah, yeah, yes, wait, all right,
we come back. Jay Collins, the Lieutenant governor for the
Sunshine State, will join us. Got lots to talk about
with the LG and of course then we have the
big stories in the press box and even more to
talk about this morning, including a lesson in pragmatics here

(01:01:52):
on the Morning Show with Preston Scott. All right, five

(01:02:14):
minutes past the hour Morning Show with Preston Scott. Good
to be with you this morning. Just got a text
from a listener who told me that obviously texting me
means they're not just a listener. There's somebody that I
know that William Loggin's the teacher in Orange County who's
told to remove the quote controversial. Charlie Kirk Poster was

(01:02:37):
informed that he is allowed to keep the poster hanging
in his classroom. I mean, what could possibly be any
more controversial than the words? Never underestimate the power of
your voice and the impact you can have on the
world when you speak up for what you believe in.
I mean, yeah, boy, If that's not controversial, I don't
know what is? My goodness gracious all right, here we

(01:02:58):
are a third hour of the radio program. At Promise
joining us. He is the Lieutenant Governor for the Sunshine State.
Former Senator Jay Collins Jay, how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I'm doing well this morning, Preston, how are you doing
well now?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Learning that news? You know, I know it's a little
off the path here for the day, but man, I
am so tired of public officials, public teachers, school boards.
I'm so sick of people libeling, slandering, defaming who Charlie
Kirk really was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah, you know, it's pretty crazy. It's hard to believe
that that poster is allowed to be there as an
expression or whatever the thought process is. But again, you know,
let's take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Right.
This is why regular people who use common sense need
to get involved in other aspects of life and continue

(01:03:52):
to push This is why real people need to get
into politics at the school board, at the local level,
at the state, at the federal level, because we ended
up here because of political games and all the nonsense.
Real people, real results, because of real leadership. That's the past.
That's how we solve this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Well. I'm grateful that this particular poster, which was honoring
Charlie Kirk, is going back up instead of being forced
to be taken down, and that we're getting some clarity
from the secretary or Commissioner of Education for the state
who's kind of tamped down on this. But you know,
in a similar way, what we're watching nationwide, Lieutenant Governor

(01:04:30):
is is kind of a it's seen in a microcosm,
it's also seen in a macrocosm. We're seeing such a transition.
For example, we have a socialist Marxist i e. Communist
that may be elected mayor of the largest city in
this country. It is incredibly impactful. What do you see

(01:04:53):
as the impacts of a Mom Donnie election for Florida?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Are there any Yeah, you know, Mamdani of all cities, Preston,
I don't understand by New York has to learn this lesson.
September eleventh was not that long ago. It just wasn't.
It's shocking, right, What are the effects? Well, look, how
many people from New York in New Jersey in that

(01:05:17):
area have moved to Florida already. The truth is, if
a watered down communist gets elected, someone who doesn't espouse
supporting our law enforcement, who has pushed anti American rhetoric,
who is surrounding himself with people who don't like America,
I believe one of his colleagues called America a trash

(01:05:38):
can with something I heard unlined and earlier. It just
is shocking. Right, those people are going to migrate. Other
folks are going to leave. The hope is that they
leave their politics what caused New York to fall into
this mess behind them, and come here and live the
Florida dream in life. Don't New York are Florida. If

(01:05:59):
you're going to move here because I'm Dani, come here
except Florida, and let's continue to make Florida amazing and
great and lead from the front. If not, you know,
it's going to be a problem. It's going to be
a push, and we're going to have to continue to
fight day in day out because the onslaught of people.
Don't New York Florida are going to stand for our
values here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
The early evidence is that the migration into the state
has been from people that we're seeking or support the
conservative values of this state.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Correct, Yes, in terms of COVID and everything else. Absolutely,
these are people who relocated. Is that what we're going
to see coming from New York? Now? I think yeah,
you'll see a good amount of that, people who are
long term holdovers, But you know, how many more are there?
Are these you don't know? Just saying it out loud
that I hope they leave those New York values there,

(01:06:52):
come here and accept what we.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Have, right Yeah, Jay Collins with us. He is the
Lieutenant Governor for the Sunshine State. More to come. Ten
past the hour, Quick check out weather and traffic. Here
on the Morning Show with Preston Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
We suggest you use the restroom before you listen or
invested the thirty foot catheter. Yes, I use it all
the time. This is the Morning Show with Preston Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
So gross all right, it's it's October twenty second, it's Wednesday.
Here on the program, the LG for the Sunshine State,
Jay Collins, Lieutenant Governor, with us for a couple more segments.
Stay with a little broader view of things. What's your
take on the federal government shut now?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Well, I think we're all a little frustrated by this.
I think you see the difference in how the federal
system in the state system work. We have a balanced budget,
they have a continued resolution. We've got to get back
to work. I think the underlying current of this the
Democrats are asking for incredibly crazy things that aren't commensurate
with what America wants to see, and the Republicans are

(01:08:04):
holding strong right now. How long this lasts? Who knows?
Hope and pray that this doesn't affect our military long term.
They can figure this out before that does. But the
effect on Florida is a non essential. Parts of the
government aren't working efficiently, so certain things are slower and
it's going to affect a lot of people as this
thing goes on longer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
I'm curious and honestly, I can't remember if we touched
on this before when we last chatted, Lieutenant Governor, but
is there any possibility Is there any way that Florida
can help the military members that are based in Florida
should this shut down linger and it hit another paycheck?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah, Preston, Actually we did talk on that, and I
love your point. There's something that we're researching. Where are
the lines of what we can do? Certainly, I know
there are nonprofits. I've thought to multiple nonprofits who are
poised to help with food, with opportunity, with cash, infusion
infusion right now, but what can the state do. We're

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working through that, and honestly, that's worsely because you brought
this up on your show, so I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Is there any good that you see from your chair,
because I mean, look, you went from the Senate. Now
you're looking at things from a little bit broader perspective.
But now you're staring at this shut down and you're
seeing the stark differences as you just highlighted between how
Florida runs its business how the federal government runs its business.
It's as different as night and day. So is there

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any good coming out of this shutdown.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Right now? I think you'd have to stretch to see
where it is. I hope and pray that we hold
the Dems accountable. We don't cave to any of their nonsense.
I mean, wanting to medicate without income verification, what could
possibly go wrong there? Right? Health care for illegal immigrants,
it's not something we want to talk about. It's not
what something people want to see the American peace, one,

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immigration reform, a legal immigration taken care of. Those are
things we can solve. Why do they keep taking the
approach that is not commensurate with what the American people want?
So I'm glad they're standing strong on this, and we're
gonna have to continue to push them. Eventually they're going
to have to break because the will of people will
press that. I just hope it's not catastrophic the day

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to day lives of our people. But in Florida, we'll
continue to find ways to make a difference, save money,
and keep our businesses primed in our economy rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I've The bright side to me is that generally, while
we know that there is an undercurrent where this thing
impacts a lot of people, there's also the side that, well,
there's a lot of people that are not being impacted
by the shutdown, which speaks to maybe the government is
just a little big. And I think a lot of
us would agree with that idea that these shutdowns expose

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the oversized nature of the federal bureaucracy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Sure, well, I think when you have anything that's a
non essential part of the government but it's not essential,
wise there that's the first question. If you've got something
to shann As has talked about clearing up some of
these You know, there are excessive dollars spent on certain
nonprofits things like that. I love seeing that cleaned up.
But in the end, we can do that without having

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to shut down the government too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, we got another segment to go. The Lieutenant
Governor for Florida, Jay Collins, is with me one more segment.
We're going to talk about We're gonna go overseas, talk
a little bit about what's going on in the Middle
East before we talk about a recent drug bust in Florida,
which really is a convergence of a whole lot of
issues that need to be addressed not just by our state,

(01:11:41):
but by our federal partners as well. So more to
come with Florida's Lieutenant Governor Jay Collins here on the
Morning Show with Preston Scott. A little bit of an
extended visit to day with Florida's Lieutenant Governor j Collins. Jay, Historically, Florida,

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even independent of the federal government US, has always been allies,
maybe sometimes stronger allies than others to Israel. But Florida
has independently always maintained a good relationship with Israel. And
so I'm curious with your background as well, factoring in
what's your thoughts on this agreement between Israel and hamas well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
I will tell you I was recently in Israel, right
I've bringing back twenty three hundred American citizens there, and
the Middle East has been a quagmire for a long time.
America's made great gains and we've made some mistakes, and ultimately,
what can we do as a state. I think it's
important for us to stand and lead and serve our
people no matter what. So ultimately, I'm grateful where we

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are for governors stand AT's courage specifically and how he's
let on issues. Not a lot of people were willing
to step up after Optober seventh and bring people home.
Certainly not any other governor. The same thing when we
came back during the twelve day one in I run
in Israel. This ceasefire is something we we're gonna have

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to stand with the people who are spouse of American
values who line up with us. I'm a little hesitant
and concerned about Hamas following through, but you know, you've
got to take a big, big swing. You really do, Preston,
and I'm glad to see that we're trying to get
something done. If you don't, you know, if you don't
try for the wind, you're never going to get there, right.
I really don't believe that, So kudos to President Trump

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for getting this online. I worry about Hamas following through.
I truly do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah, I agree, we've followed that. It seems like it's
a broken agreement every other day, if not every day.
Let's talk about something that you have been kind of
a point man on and it's this recent drug bust.
Kind of join operations with FHP and DEA. Talk first,

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give us the backstory of what was being investigated and
looked at, and then the end result.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
So, yeah, this was pretty amazing. We had found that
when the border closed down, right when we've done that,
it's redirected a lot of the drug smuggling, the human trafficking.
They had to find aulterior path because the wide open,
gaping hole in the southern border is not there, so
where they go. There was some work done by DEA

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working with state agencies like the FHP and local law
enforcement that there was something coming in. And what was
amazing is you got to see government at its very
very best, even during the shutdown. You saw the DEA
working with our state agencies, working with our local law
enforcement to have a huge effect, like seventeen million dollars

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in cocaine. There was a whole brick wall of cocaine
behind me when we did this press conference. Absolutely amazing,
great government. But just a few days before that, they
did the same thing and they found millions of dollars
in cocaine and other drugs, and like thirty illegal immigrants
from China. They were being smuggled in for whatever purposes.
People were doing that right, not on the up and up.

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Not great, horrible human traffickings, a blight on society. But
our law enforcement are working together at all levels to
keep our community safe and actually met huge results. I'm
so incredibly proud of what they do. This is all
of them working together. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Is now is this a federal case? Is it a
state case? Is it federal followed by state? I mean,
what's the jurisdiction of this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Well, I think it's going to be federal, and I
think you could have state charges as well. But the
Feds were there this in the DEA enabled bust, but
the local cops were the ones who had most of
the information and tips, and good for them. FHP and
everybody else jumped right in. Absolutely incredible. I don't want
to go two much more into this. Yeah, they were

(01:16:01):
still working through particulars and the investigation and everything, so
you'll probably see that come out in the media shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Is there is there any more you can say without
interfering with any of that, Lieutenant Governor, and expand a
little bit about how operations have changed in how the traffickers,
whether they be drug traffickers or human traffickers, how they're
changing their operandus, their motives of operandus. When the southern

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border now is largely shut down, what should people in
Florida be looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Well, this was in an eighteen wheeler with a hidden compartment.
It was smuggling these drugs all the way across from
El Paso through Texas on into Florida. That's a long trip,
and just kept going and going and going, you know.
And if it doesn't look right, alert people, right, see something,

(01:16:55):
say something, go to your law enforcement. Don't take matters
into your hands, but let people know, Oh, if something
doesn't seem light and let them investigate. Right, That's what
they're there for. That's why they're experts in this. Yeah,
this is going to have a profound shift, and that's
simply because of leadership at the federal level being supported
by the states. What I would love to see is
other states get really serious along that corridor and do

(01:17:17):
the same thing we are. Why are we the ones
who are putting the work in and doing all this stuff?
Other states should do the same things. The krudos to
the standards we're having encouraged, kudos to the President. Trump
has done amazing. But I would love to see more
states step up in these two eighty seven g agreements
and accomplish more with better results, very similar to the Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
I'm curious and if you can't answer this, I understand.
But in our final question here, was Florida the ending
destination for these drugs? Or were we a distribution point
up by eighty five and up seventy five?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah, I don't think I can answer that one right now, Okay,
but I'll tell you yes and no is probably the answer,
just generally, right, there's always more going on, and who
knows how this is going to continue to adapt. You
got to be tough on crime, you got to hold
people accountable, and you got to stand for the rule
of law. That's why they're so critical. Our society is

(01:18:13):
based off safety in the community. Again, trudos to the
men and women at all three levels working together. I'm
so incredibly proud of what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Lieutenant Governor, Jay Collins, thanks for the time this morning. Jay.
We'll talk again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Soon, all right. Thanks good Preston, thanks for having them
money my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Jay Collins, former state Senator now Lieutenant Governor of the
State of Florida, and our guests this morning on The
Morning Show with Preston Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
Wherever you may be, from Florida, Sunshine State to New York's.
Forget New York. Scratch that, New York's now hopeless. At
least the city is. For the rest, we're your Morning Show,
The Morning Show with Preston Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
How bad is it in our public schools? Look, Florida
has a lot of good things going, but so long
as there are unions that protect crappy teachers, we have concerns.

(01:19:40):
All you need do to fully understand how bad public
education is, because that's where the overwhelming number of students
come from, is to look at what too many college
students are thinking today. Look, Okay, one of the big

(01:20:02):
stories in the press box is Minneapolis Public schools being
sued for a civil rights violation. It's a complaint, civil
rights complaint, discrimination and so forth. Because they're forcing all
of this. We hate America curriculum down the throats of

(01:20:25):
only black students. Think about that. Now, they don't want
white or Asian students to see or hear about this stuff.
That's a bit of a twist because normally that's exactly
who they want to indoctrinate. But when you step back

(01:20:45):
and look at what's coming out of schools and what's
entering in higher education, you have to be completely unplugged
from life to not see the dangers ahead because we're
not teaching students about American history, and no, I'm not

(01:21:06):
talking about a sanitized, whitewashed version. Do you know about
the part that Thomas Jefferson was writing for inclusion in
the Constitution but left it out, But what he was
thinking it addressed slavery. It paints a paradox of a

(01:21:29):
man filled with conflict, but the writings are fascinating because
he speaks to the moral bankruptcy of slavery. Now, we
still embraced it up through the Republican Party of the
eighteen hundreds that was formed to stop slavery, and in

(01:21:53):
fact did. It was the Republicans that got the Civil
Rights Act across the finish line, and for all of
the the ridiculous claims that, oh, they all just went
underground and became all the bigots went underground and became Republicans.
No one did one strom Thurmond one, and we knew

(01:22:18):
he was a bigot, and we called him that all
the time. But what's happened is that we have we
have not taught true American history to students for a
few generations. Now mine might have been the last generation

(01:22:38):
to get it. You started to get this watered down
version which was very limited in its view in understanding
what the founders we were seeing contemporary to its to
the to their times, what they saw in world history
that caused them to say, yeah, we're not going to
do that. We're going to make sure that our citizenry

(01:22:59):
is armed. We're gonna put the Second Amendment in there,
right behind freedom of speech. We are gonna put the
Second Amendment. We don't teach these things anymore, and we
don't teach critical thinking. And so as a result, these
kids get virtually no real US history, no real civics,

(01:23:21):
no real ability to debate, discust take ownership. And now
we've got AI entering in where they're taking even less
ownership of their own academic work, and we send them
into a college or university setting where professors have an
agenda to absolutely own their brains. We cannot be surprised

(01:23:46):
by what we're seeing with Clantifa. We can't be. We've
allowed it to happen on our watch, Boomers, It's happened
on our watch. It's just one of the big stories.
We have three of them, but that's one of them.
Forty one minutes after the hour, when we come back,
a lesson in pragmatics.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
Welcome to the Morning Show with Preston Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
All right, let me bring inside my classroom here. Okay, first, pragmatic.
What does it mean? What does it mean to be pragmatic?
It means being practical and sensible. Practical and sensible. If

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you are, for example, taking a pragmatic approach to healthcare,
you focus on the immediate needs, you find what's the
most effective thing to do, and then you find the
most efficient way to do it. That's pragmatic. What can

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we get? Okay, we can't eat the whole apple. We
got to take a bite. So what's that bite going
to be? Now? As it relates to elections and governance,
I'm going to give you an example, here in New York City,
we would all agree whether we think whether we think
that New York City ought to be left to burn

(01:25:36):
because of its own choices. Fine, let them have it,
like California. Let them have it, like some are saying
about Tallahassee. If they want to go progressive in Tallahassee,
let them have it, let the city burn. Whatever. Even
if you take that view, you have to say, the
election of the mayor of New York is significant. It

(01:26:01):
is important. Now there are three candidates still standing. The Marxist, Socialist,
Communist want to be Mom, Donnie Zorn, the Great Zorn.
I just see that little, you know, card reading dude

(01:26:24):
in the turbine in the game box, uh, the vending machine,
Former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. And for many of
you that's like, oh god, really. And then there's Republican
Curtis Leiwa, one of the founders, co founders of the
Guardian Angels, that group of New York vigilantes that wore

(01:26:47):
red berets and went in the subways and tried to
patrol and keep the streets safe. We're talking back in
the day. Now there's a Republican billionaire who formerly ran
for mayor back in the twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty
thirteen area. His name is John Katzimatitis. He's a Republican.

(01:27:12):
He is begging Curtis Leewa to drop out of the race,
and he's right. This is called pragmatics. As of now,
Curtis Leewa is staying in the race. And you know what,
if he does, he's going to guarantee the election of
Mom Donnie. Here's why, because he's going to bleed off

(01:27:38):
fifteen to twenty percent of the vote. He cannot win.
He cannot win. It would be no different than a
Republican running for mayor of Tallahassee. You cannot win. The
math isn't there. It's just not possible to win. But

(01:27:58):
here's what you can do. You can put in office
the worst possible candidate by bleeding votes off of a moderate.
By staying in the race, Sliwa is giving Republicans somebody
to check the box for instead of Okay, where's my
vote gonna make a difference? Does it make a difference

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voting for a guy who can't win. No, it does not.
This is called pragmatics, and I fight with some of
you on this stuff. And that's okay because in every
discussion and debate, someone's wrong, and it's okay for you
to be wrong. You're wrong. The only chance New York

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City has to save itself is to elect Andrew Cuomo.
Is he perfect? Absolutely not. Is he better than Zomdani?
Heck yeah by a mile, and the difference could be
Curtis Sliwa. Again, he can't win, but he can cause

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Mom Donnie to win. His being in the race is
costing because let's just play this out. You're a Republican voter.
All of a sudden, You're Republican is out of the race.
You have Andrew Cuomo, Zorron, Mom Donnie, who a you're
voting for? Right? Is that as simple and elementary as

(01:29:35):
it gets. You know what that's called. It's called pragmatics.
It's being pragmatic. It's about the sensible, common sense, practical solution.
Thus ended the lesson forty eight minutes after the hour
run and late it's okay. Tomorrow we're gonna do a

(01:30:09):
little cloak and dagger. Huh. Not only do we have
Steve Stewart, Not only do we have doctor David Hart's
but tomorrow we'll give you a road trip idea and
we'll tell you how they pulled off the heist at
the Loop. You won't believe it. You won't believe it now,
I'm kidding. I mean, you will not believe how they

(01:30:29):
did this. It sounds like I'm celebrating it. I'm not.
But when somebody pulls off something like this and they
did it the way that they did it, you have
to talk about it. So I've got an in depth
breakdown of how it all went down, and we'll talk
about it's more on the show. I watched this video

(01:30:51):
and it was it was as funny as it was.
Shake my head. You've got to be kidding me. Hand
me a Berna. As in the launcher, the guy was
trolling the libs at the No King's rally in Massachusetts

(01:31:12):
and he's wearing an inflatable Donald Trump costume and those
things are beautiful, those inflatable costumes that you get inside
of and then it inflates around you and it's like,
you know, they're great. And so he shows up and
some dude loses it and starts beating him up. It's

(01:31:37):
all on tape. Swamp Scotts Massachusetts. Jonathan sylvieira Trump's supporter
on his way. This is what he tells Boston NBC ten.
I kept telling him to get away from me. He
kept telling the people around him that he wanted to

(01:31:57):
punch me in the face. I don't understand why I
got so crazy. I was just trying to get a
few laughs. Thought it would bring a couple back and forth. Anyway,
police came and arrested the guy. I love it. They
arrested the guy for beating up the Trump inflatable. That's
just beautiful. I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Started the radio program with PSALM thirty four, verse eighteen,
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forty two verse eleven. So that's where we started the program.
Big stories in the press box, of course, Defending Education
files a civil rights complaint over Minneapolis public schools on
race based curriculum. Republicans trying to get the House Speaker

(01:32:47):
to agree to a deal with Obamacare as soon as
the shutdown ends. Democrats would have to vote to end
the shutdown. First, we'll see former CIA director John Brennan
is about to have a bad day. He's facing a
criminal complaint from the House Judiciary Committee asking for the

(01:33:07):
Department of Justice to arrest him. They should tomorrow. I
can't wait. We had great guests today, by the way,
Lieutenant Governor j Collins, author Tom Craven. It's a big show.
I mean it was a big show. Tomorrow's gonna be
another big show. Can't wait. Friends, have an awesome day.
Thanks for listening.