App State Media Day: JohnMark Bentley, Sean Carter, Will Miller and Tomas Brooker

It’s App State wrestling media day and the Mountaineers talk about the upcoming season with head coach JohnMark Bentley and returning NCAA qualifiers Sean Carter, Will Miller and Tomas Brooker.
Coach Bentley (7:00) talks about the schedule and who’s coming to Varsity Gym and touches briefly on the situation at Campbell, as the two schools have become fierce rivals on the wrestling mat.

 Carter discusses his return to the lineup and up at a new weight for his final year of eligibility (26:00).
Miller breaks into some of the things he and his teammates were doing to help with clean up around the Boone area in the wake of Hurricane Helene (34:30) , while Brooker discusses his improvement and what he’s been doing with putting in the extra time (44:20).

Thanks to Bret Strelow from App State Athletic Communications for coordinating. 

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Short Time Wrestling Podcast: Episode 756 – Recorded October 17, 2024

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
WHOA, it's the Short Time Wrestling Podcast. I am your host,
Hall of Fame Wrestling writer broadcast for an announcer Jason Bryant.
College wrestling season has been here for a couple of weeks,

(00:23):
almost a month actually. If you're out in California with
the California junior colleges that are firing up their fall season,
They've been in the fall since like nineteen eighty one,
so a very unique situation. I'm also going to cover
that event for the first time in my career. I'm
looking forward to going out to Lamore, California, at what
used to be called West Hills College and Lamore Now
it's just Lamore College. So I'm gonna be checking that

(00:43):
out in December. I'll be talking about that as far
as how it relates to the podcast in future weeks.
We had Clarissa Chun as part of Women's Wrestling Media
Day at the University of Iowa. Iowa sent that along.
We put that in the Short Time Wrestling Podcast feed.
We've got KCAC Media Day coming up, but today on
the show, it is app States Media Day. Coach John

(01:05):
Mark Bentley, athletes Thomas Brooker, Will Miller, and Sean Carter
talking about their preparation for the upcoming season and also
going into some of the cleanup actually a lot of
the cleanup that they helped in the Boone community and
the wake of Hurricane Helene, So that's something that came up. Also,
coach John Mark Bentley speaks a little bit on rival
Campbell on their situation. So, as you may or may

(01:26):
not be aware, Campbell has told people internally that it's
going to start dropping scholarships from not just wrestling, but
a number of sports. Wrestling kind of jumped on this quickly,
as they have a roster of like fifty something. They
provide the school immense financial value, not necessarily from the
ticket sales or athletic partment. The amount of students that

(01:47):
are coming in paying tuition is a net positive, and
it's a big number for that school. So they haven't
responded to any media requests. Matt Brown from Extra Points
featured it in his newsletter on October eighteenth, and Earl
from Intermat has not heard back from anything. I don't
have the time this weekend, so I'm going to reach
out on next week and see what i can do
to beat the trees a little bit there. Although we've

(02:10):
noticed that when I ask for information on drop programs,
these schools don't really want to talk to me because, yeah,
because I kind of hold their feet to the fire.
And also or they did do like my alma mater,
didn't block me. Anyway, that is not the point where
on top of this Campbell situation, it may not be
as public as it had been with like my alma
mater and other programs, But trust me, I'm working on

(02:33):
that situation, trying to help those guys as much as
I can, especially that alumni group, as much as I can.
Because the coaches hands are tied. They really can't talk.
They're not going to talk, and they really can't kind
of maneuver anything. They're kind of hands or tied until
the school makes its ultimate decision. But the alumni group,
good on you for staying on This pressure needs to

(02:54):
be put also in a positive way. Focus on the
positives that the sport of wrestling has brought to Campbell University,
et cetera. So let's focus on what's good about wrestling,
not what stinks about what they're allegedly trying to do.
Keep that in mind. Secondly, I mentioned media day that's
the show here with a state. I also mentioned Matt

(03:16):
Brown's newsletter. Matt Brown is a pretty cool newsletter called
Extra Points, and it covers various levels of college sports.
Whether he's a re alignment guru, he's big on Freedom
of Information Act, which is really where he helped me
in digging up stuff on how to do that. Again.
I learned that in journalism when I was in college
at that place in Norfolk, and I went back and
used those tools that I learned at that school in
Norfolk to file foiis on that school in Norfolk. But

(03:38):
also Matt Brown has a very good newsletter on how
to do all that FOIA stuff. If you're a citizen
or a student at a public school now Campbell for example,
they're private school. They are not beholden to the laws
of the Freedom of Information Act. So if there's a
public school and you want to know something, you think
you're there's some admin's doing some shady things, or you

(03:59):
just want to find out some salaries, FOIA is a
good way to do it, at least with public schools
that do participate. There are a couple asterisks with this.
That being said, my newsletter The Daily Wrestling News presented
by Rezlite is going to be moving its home soon.
I've been on mailchamp for this thing's been going on
nine years, so for nine years, I've been sending out

(04:22):
emails almost daily. Now this changes depending on whether I'm
working a championship. Like at the Olympics, it kind of
stalled because I was working. So that is one thing
you kind of have to understand when you're subscribing to
my content. Sometimes there are times where I am head down,
busy working on projects where I can't get a newsletter
out every day. Sometimes the news is slow enough, the

(04:43):
news doesn't go out usually in the off season it's
four to five days a week, you know. Sometimes the
Sunday is a little slow, or that's to pick up
the weekend news, or I won't do it Friday night
because I want to watch a movie with my wife
or something. So there's also that personal life that comes
out of this, because again Matt Talk is my own,
it's my schedule, my time, and that type of thing

(05:03):
does benefit me in a lot of ways, but it
also gives me the flexibility to have a life and
be able to do things that help you the wrestling consumer,
as I say that moving the newsletter from Mailchimp to substack,
and substack is one that for the kids, you know
what substack is. For the adults that are older that

(05:25):
like the newsletters to the email, nothing's going to change
for you. For the kids, hey, it's going to give
you another way to consume this stuff. If you're into
the substack, the apps taking care of it's actually going
to free up some time for me. It's also going
to free up some finances for me as well, because
the daily wrestling newsletter, it might be free to you,
but it costs a pretty good amount of time and
money to put together to save you that time. So

(05:48):
I'm going to just broach this now. It will be
eventually moving to a premium offering. So those of you
on Patreon that go to Matt Talk online dot com
slash join the team or talk online dot com slash contribute,
you get that newsletter along with the ad free podcasts
and such. But the newsletter which saves you probably i'd
say an hour ish each day. If you want to

(06:10):
catch up on your wrestling news, there it is you scroll.
You've got everything that's relevant from around the world. That's
how you can do it. You can sign up for
that Matt Talk online dot com slash News, but that
is going to be moving along to another platform here shortly,
so I'm working on the integrations and such. So if
you're a daily Wrestling News subscriber, again, thanks to Reslite

(06:31):
for sponsoring that as they have. The Gilberts have been
great over the years. That's going to cueak a little bit.
You won't notice anything directly, at least in the first
couple weeks that I'm rolling, and then it's going to
be a slow move into more of a premium offering.
There will be free newsletters, but the majority of it
will be part of a premium offering. So got to
pay the bills and so and such. So hope you

(06:54):
understand that. That being said, here is app State Media Day.
As always, I'd like to thank you for spending your
time with me, because you've always got time for short time.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Whoa all right, well, coach, looking at I guess the
start of the season wasn't too great with Hurricane Helene
and kind of looking at recovery efforts and booming surrounding
areas and for the matroom, for the locker room, can
you tell me how that's coming along, and what that's
looking like for the program right now.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, as you mentioned, you know, obviously our community and
you know, western North Carolina in general has really suffered
from the hurricane that came through a couple of weeks ago.
Our locker room was destroyed and our wrestroom was flooded.
But fortunately we were able to get our wrestlingroom put
back together and minimal time off the mat our locker room.

(07:43):
We're a little bit displaced from that right now, but
all in all, we're very thankful and blessed to be
able to be back training in our wrestling room. Our
gym doesn't look like it's going to be affected for
the season. We're still going to have all our matches
in varsity gym, and so we're thankful for that and
realized that, even as you know, is uncomfort what it
is right now to not have a locker room, there's
a lot of people in this area outside of the

(08:05):
university that are suffering, that have had suffered way more
damage and way more things they're dealing with than.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
What we have.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So trying to remain thankful, trying to get our guys
helping out the community some and helping rebuild Boon and
surrounding areas as well.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Coach Ween, you talk about those events that are going
to be wrestled at home, this is something that you've
made a point of making it a real event when
they come and check out matches and Boone looking at
the home schedule, West Virginia, a couple of mountaineers doing
a little battle there, Virginia Tech obviously, that's become a
nice little regional scrap there, you know, obviously, and then

(08:44):
the Southern Conference teams. What are you excited about about
the home schedule this year?

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Well, I think we've got opponents that a lot of
our fans want to see us wrestle from the excitement
of varsity gym. But I'm also excited about the improvements
to our dual meet atmosphere. Jason, We've got a new
set of inline bleachers that have now been installed, so
we're going to have a new set of premium bleachers.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
I think it adds like two hundred and.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Thirty two seats, seatbacks, cup holders, a little bit wider seats,
So I think our fans that buy those premium seats
are going to be really pleased with those and they're
also going to be facing a new video board. We're
going to have a video board on the back wall
where the current scoreboard is. That's really going to be
It's going to add to the you know, enhance the

(09:27):
experience for our student athletes and our fans. So we
got a lot of great improvements that we've made in
the off season, and you know, obviously we're bringing in
some great opponents, some P five opponents that are going
to test us, and I think our fan base wants
to see us wrestle those kind of opponents in varsity gym.
So really excited about our schedule and you know, excited
to get the season kicked off.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Looking at your new hires, Max Mahler and Paul Bionke,
tell me about maybe how they they came into the
positions that app and what it's looking like there, how
they're job with the team, and how they're they're doing
in their positions right now.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So Paul, i'd actually approached him, I don't know, three
or four years ago when he graduated from Little Rock.
I had actually coached against him as a competitor, and
I always liked the tenacity with which he wrestled and
the way he competed, and you know, I kind of
approached him three or four years ago when he graduated
about a potential volunteer position. At the time, he wasn't

(10:25):
willing to make the move and kind of wanted to
stick around Little Rocks. He had some younger brothers that
were on the team there. And then since that time,
over the last three or four years, he moved on
and was coaching in Minnesota man Cato in Minnesota the
last couple of years, gaining some experience. And then when
I had the opening, he was one of the ones
that applied for the position, and I really liked him,

(10:48):
had a you know, had a strong appreciation for him,
and brought him down on an interview.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
I thought, we, you know, really.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Hit off, hit it off well, and I think his
mentality and perspective on things is very well fitting for
our culture here to Appalachian State. So he's, uh, he's
been a great addition. And then Max Mahler has has
come to us, you know, a year out of college.
You know, last year he was competing for the Badgers
at Wisconsin and wrestled at Michigan five years before that,

(11:15):
so or four years before that. So he's he's really
had a lot of time on the mat and wrestled
at a high level and in the Big ten, and
he's been extremely beneficial to our middle weights and our
middle upper weights like Will Miller and Luke Guliano and
and Jeremiah Price and Knetta and a lot of our
fifty seven sixty five seventy four pounds, even Brooker. He's

(11:37):
he's big enough to wrestle with everybody from like forty
nine to eighty four, which has been it's been a
great asset to some of our our middle upper weights.
They're really getting some great work with him, and you know,
just great having him. He's got a very positive, uh
you know, personality and way of way of life, and
I think it's it's been really good and it's a
great addition to our coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Coach mean talk about that coaching staff. You've had several
of your alumni and recent graduates gone and joined staffs
around the country. That coaching tree that you've got there
is starting to blossom. What's it like for you to see,
you know, you're going to have more guys that you'll
be you know, in your corner looking across the guys.
Wave Man I coached you. What's that like for you
as a coach to see you your former athletes going
out leading other young wrestlers.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
So I was at the Super thirty two this past
weekend and Josh Rosa, who's one of my former assistants
now coaches in Pennsylvania at a D three school. We
were having lunch and we were talking about it. It's
really I think starting to just set in how many
guys that wrestled for me that are now coaching at
the college level. It's actually a few, And I don't know.

(12:44):
I think I still consider myself a fairly young coach,
so I think seeing that many guys that are coaching
at the college level is a little bit surreal. But
there's quite a few. And I think I'm actually going
to speak with Brett our Sid after this. I'd like
to kind of maybe do a little you know, find
something out about all the guys that I have coach
that are now coaching.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
So I think it's it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Neat to have, you know, a program like Appalachian State
that has had tremendous success over the last couple of
decades to now seeing some of our former wrestlers take
what they've learned here and take it to another program
and invest in student athletes there. So I'm really proud
of those guys. It makes me happy to see them
when I see them on the road recruiting or or

(13:26):
maybe when we're competing against them at dual meets or tournaments.
But you know, really proud of those guys and how
they represented our program.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'm gonna speak on that young coaching thing. I'm looking
at the tenures of the coaches in the Southern Conference coaching.
You and Daniel Elliott are the only guys that got
double figures in coaching tenure there, So you know, I
can speak on that. You know, the experience that you've
got amongst the teams in the conference, and then the
new blood that's in cycling through with the teams. I mean,
there's there's positives with that you get, you get a

(13:55):
fresh look at some old teams.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, I think for me, I still don't. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I don't think of myself as being a veteran coach,
but even here in the athletic department at Appalachian State,
I'm one of the longest tenured coaches here and uh,
you know, Tim Flies when you're having fun, when you're
doing what you love. And I love coaching wrestling, and
I've been very blessed to be able to do it
here at Appalachian State, and this has been such a
great university and such a great historic wrestling program. Just
to be able to coach here and continue to build

(14:25):
this program and moving forward has been just.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
You know, nothing short of amazing.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
And you know, I think the conference, You're right, I mean,
I think I've seen it change, you know, quite a
bit over my tenure here, with new hires and new
investments in the sport. And you know, I think there's
you know, a good blend of you know, some youth
and some new faces, but also uh, some fresh ideas,
but also uh, you know, some of the coaches that

(14:51):
have been there for a while and kind of seeing
how the conference has grown and evolved, because the conference
is definitely stronger now, I think competitively than it has
been in a long time.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
You're gonna go after Paul Mantz's coaching tenure record there.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I don't know, I don't know how many you have.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I don't know, I don't know. It's a hard job.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I mean, there's a lot of stress and I've got
I've been very blessed doing it and and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
But I don't know. I'm gonna take it.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Year by year.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I know this that I'm going to coach as long
as I feel like I'm passionate and I want to
be in the room every single day. And I think
when that time comes where I don't enjoy it or
I'm not it seems like I'm not as invested in it,
I'm not gonna keep just going. I won't go through
the motions. But as long as I'm passionate about it
and it's it's what gets me up in the morning,

(15:39):
then I will. I will continue coaching, but I will
not do it past that.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
So I'm right now. I'm excited, I'm motivated.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I've got a great team right now, a great culture,
and I love what I'm doing.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
I love this university.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So I you know, for the foreseeable future, I see
myself continue to do what I do.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And talk about that that team you've got here you
talked about last year when we talked about the returning
guys when they make it to the show, what their
improvement is like the next year. Looking at the guys
that you've got coming back that spent time on the
mats in the postseason. They qualified through the Southern Conference Championships,
they heard their names at the NCAA Championships. They know
what it's like to be on those mats. What is

(16:18):
going to be the difference for them to make that
next step to like, Okay, yeah, just happy you've been here.
You know you expect the place, but now you've been here,
You've seen what it takes for the people around you
to place. What are you looking forward for your returning
national qualifiers this year and their expected performance this season? Well,
I think if you look.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
At the experience of those three combined, I mean, Thomas
Brooker was so green last year. He was a true
freshman for US, goes to the national tournament, had a
great season, and grew tremendously. I mean he grew over
the course from November to March. It's unbelievable how much
he grew. But he's made that much of a jump,

(16:57):
if not more, in the off season. And I think
being there, like you said, Jason, it opens your eyes
to what the level that you're trying to get to is.
And you know, just Toomas for an example, like, there's
nobody in this in this country that works harder than
him at a one hundred and eighty four pounds. I mean,
I come in, I can come in at eight o'clock
at night and I'm just there. Maybe I'm like, you know,

(17:18):
Tuesday night, I had to do a I had to
drop my daughter off. She has a late night travel
soccer practice at seven. She didn't get out to eight thirty,
so I drop her off at seven kill. Some time
I'm in Boone, I just go to the restling room.
I do a little workout myself, and you know, at
eight o'clock never fails. Here comes Thomas Brooker in getting
an extra workout in on his own. And that's the
kind of young man he is. And I think that

(17:38):
I don't have to talk to him about what his
goals are to know what his goals are, just because
you can see it and everything he does every single day,
he's putting in extra time, extra energy, extra effort, and
you know that he wants to be a national champion,
to be the very best in the country, just by
the way he carries himself in the amount of time
and commitment he.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Puts in the sport.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Will Miller made a tremendous jump from year one at
the NCA Chatampion Hips to year two. He had a
great U twenty three freestyle Nationals, and I think he
helped his confidence grow tremendously. I think Coach Mayler being
here to scrap with him is helping tremendously in his development.
I think he's you know, I don't think anything short
of the podium is is going to make him happy.

(18:19):
And then Sean Carter, he's a veteran, he's been this
program six years, has been to the show, and I
think he is excited to, you know, try this new
weight out one hundred and forty one. He looks strong,
he looks healthy, and he's been a very valuable asset
to our team because I feel like he's been grabbing
a lot of young guys over the course of the
last eight to ten months and really pulling them in

(18:41):
and mentoring them and showing them the ropes and helping
them grow as well. So those three guys are not
going to be happy just getting to the national tournament.
I think all three of those guys want to do
something special and be on the podium when it comes March.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm changing gears coach looking at kind of these newer
I guess rules that have come out so kind of
gotten rid of the national Letter of Intent, but we're
looking at the hot button topics of the revenue sharing model. Nil,
how do you think all of these changes, in all
of this this buzz that's coming up, right, how do

(19:19):
you think this is going to affect programs like APT wrestling.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I think it's still too early to tell. I think
there's a lot of challenges with with what we're doing
right now. I personally, I have my own opinions about it.
I think it's it's getting real muddy. The waters are
for coaches to navigate and to continue to develop young men,
and it be more about their development as young men

(19:43):
than it is just simply about how much money you
can pay them at that moment. I do think that
some of that's being lost in college athletics, which I
think is a shame. I'm not a opposed to an
athlete getting paid or getting you know, benefiting from their name,
image and likeness, but I'm not sure that's exactly what
I think think's going on.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
I think now it's just pay to play, and.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Now it's just I think we're some of the the
things that that this sport has taught me and taught
so many of us over the years is getting lost
a little bit, and that that is something that I
think is a challenge. It's hard as a coach to
navigate that with all the current challenges that we have,
you know, just in itself, you know, and I think that,

(20:26):
you know, I worry that this revenue sharing model, uh,
you know, could could have some negative effects on all
college athletes and especially Olympic sports. And I don't know,
I think it's still too early to tell. I'm not
sure that there's got to be some accountability in my opinion,
Like I don't think that it should just be the

(20:46):
wild wild West where you can transfers many times you
want to. There's no contract buyout, I mean personally, and
I don't want to get in the weeds with this,
but I think there should be contract buyouts, just like
there are for professional athletes, just like there are for
college coaches. If a student athlete, if you've invested in
that student athlete and you develop them, I don't I'm

(21:08):
not sure I think it's right for a program to
just come in and steal your investment and that program
is left with nothing and then they benefit from it
when you're the one that put all those blood, sweat
and tears and those kids developed them from an average
athlete to a potential All American candidate. And I think,
at least, you know, I would feel better about it
if a school like a P five wanted to go

(21:30):
get that student athlete, they should have to pay that
student to pay that university some kind of buyout, just
like my contract. If I leave before my contracts up,
there's a buyout, and so the school that I would
go to would have to either pay it or I would.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Have to pay it.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And I think there's got to be some kind of
accountability like that, because otherwise I think it's really muddy
in the waters for a lot of the values that
I think college athletics has taught for so many years
and I still believe in and I think are really
really important the development of these young men and when women.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
To that point, coach, I want to bring up a
school down the road that's become a pretty good little rival.
It's been it's been chippy on the social media, it's
been chippy in the stands, but it's been ultimately healthy
for the Southern Conference. And that's Campbell with the announcement,
well actually it actually I don't know if you even
know it's been an official announcement from a school, but
the team was notified. Scholarships are going to be pulled

(22:24):
and that's going to be whittled down to what Campbell
kind of used to be a non factor, and they
have done a tremendous job at building big rosters and
creating a buzz around that school. Something you've done and
you've been talked about, is how much value the wrestling
program brings to the university. And I'm not talking just
about value from you know, how many butts you're putting

(22:45):
in the seats, but the value that these student athletes
that community brings to your school. And that's something Campbell
also has done, is they've put a value. Hey, here's
what we are bringing to the school. What does a
wrestling program like Campbell, like app State granted one's private
one's public due to bring value to a university that's
often overlooked in something that needs to be a speaking

(23:05):
point when these type of topics come up. If revenue
sharing is going to come in and all of a sudden,
the non revenue sports have to give up everything that
they earned to give it to one or two sports
that seem to be favored in the in the mass
sense of sports fandom's opinions.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Well, I think first and foremost, you know what we're
about in college athletics. Yeah, obviously we want to compete
to win. I mean, we're always we want to be competitive,
but we're also about developing young men and young women.
I think that's our purpose, right, Like I think that's
what college athletics was designed for.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
I think that's what it should still be focused on.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
And that's kind of what I meant a minute ago,
is I think it's getting lost that first of all,
Like you know, no you pick a program, whether it
be app State or Campbell, you know, we're doing some
things to.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Develop those young men and those young women.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
They're going to be productive citizens someday when they when
they go out in the workforce and into our country.
And I think it like for us specifically, and you know,
I can't speak specifically to Campbell, but I've always tried
to create value in our community, and we do a
lot to give back to the community here. Like last

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week we had after we had Saturday morning practice. But
we sent like fourteen guys out in the community that
helped hurricane victims that were like, you know, had damage
to their property. And our guys have been doing that
and helping out in the community. We run a youth
wrestling club that has about fifty young kids in it

(24:35):
that really has helped develop our fan base. So we're
giving to our community. And then and then for us, Jason,
we want to put butts into seats.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I mean, at the end of the day, that speaks
to a lot. I mean it does matter.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
You know, when we wrestle in varsity gym on a
you know, on a duel meet, on a night duel
meat and.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
It's packed and there's people standing around, and we have
to go and purchase a new set of leachers just
to be able to help people. That says something to
our university about the value that the wrestling program has
here in the community and in the university. And I
think that we're really trying to compete for championships but
also show that we have value in this community and

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we're giving back to this community. And I think that
that's the important thing for every program. And I think
that's what the focus should be. I don't know all
the details about the Campbell situation yet. I do think
it's unfortunate despite our rivalry and it's been heated at times,
I don't think I would be remiss to say I mean, like, yeah,

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I mean there's been some bad blood between us and
them and some things. But I will tell you that
it helps Appalachian State. For Campbell to be a strong
program and a formidable rival, that only helps my program.
I do not want them going away. I want them
to be strong as ever and us to compete against
them and keep the rivalry, and so anything that I

(25:55):
can do to help build wrestling overall, not just my program,
then that's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
We're gonna start off with Sean Carter sixty or seniors
up to one forty one.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
So Rachel, if you want to start, and then you know,
throw a couple out and then Jason can follow that up.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
Hey Sean, how you doing today?

Speaker 4 (26:22):
How are you doing?

Speaker 7 (26:24):
Awesome? It's good to see you back.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So tell me what it's been like that recovery process
coming back from from surgery and now you're getting back
in the saddle, hopefully beating up on some of the
younger guys, and you know, showing them how it's done.
As a sixth year, tell me a little bit about
you know what that's been like the past I guess
year now.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
So it's been I've been having to show patients a
lot about just getting back on the mat, just trusting
the process, taking what's one day, one step at that time,
getting better each day and just taking one scent getting better,
and you know, just moving moving the right step, moving forward,

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doing physical therapy, being very patient about that, you know,
and just stay in the course.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
And you're bumping up to one forty one, tell me
about that transition to a higher weight class, what that's
been like for your body, how that's maybe attributed or
contributed to your your recovery process as well.

Speaker 8 (27:27):
So the goal was to put more muscle on because
going down, setting down to thirty three, uh, trying to
keep muscle on, trying to stay healthy wasn't good for
my body. So that's the goal to We realized that
keeping the muscle on will make me be healthier for
my longevity wise. So the goals to stay on the mat,
the goals to make it a march goes.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
To be on the top of the ponium.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Se when you look at coming back to the mat
last year, when when you know you had those those
that time away and then now you've got the bigger way.
A lot of times when people say that they're moving
up away, they've they're spending more time not beating the scale,
but learning how to wrestle, getting better at wrestling. What
have you done in the off season to get better
at wrestling and not worry about the scale anymore.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
What I've done is just keep on getting extra reps. Yeah,
the goal, you know, back when I was wrestling one
hundred and twenty five that the goal was to beat scale.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
It wasn't to get better.

Speaker 8 (28:30):
But now now as I've learning, grown and matured, I
realized that it takes the extra reps wrestling each sometimes
twice a day. The weight will come off eventually. That's
not that won't be a problem. It's getting extra reps
with my teammates, getting individual time, when my coach is

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watching film and just studying the game, just being a
student of the sport.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
It's this key to getting better.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And getting better. There's a you know, there's the momentum
that builds One win leads to two wins leads to
three wins, and all of a sudden you look down
and you're like, all right, I got a pretty good record.
I'm in a good position to either win the conference
title or you know, if things don't go right, getting
a large bit, you've got to go back several years
to when you want to match at the NCAA Championships.
And you know, what do you look back about that
two thousand and one season other than it being really

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weird with nobody in the arena essentially, so like, all right,
it's been a little while. It's been a little while,
So what do you got to do to make sure
that the ability to stay strong the whole season is
going to be there so you can have another opportunity
at the national Championships.

Speaker 8 (29:34):
So the goal is to block out the noise. I
know it's been a while since I've completed in a
large arena, a large platform, But again, I'm not not
new to this. I'm true to this, So I just
keep on pushing forward. You know, on mindset is still

(29:57):
the same. To be on the top and ponium a
conference and to be on top of poronium at the
national champion it's easier said and done. But uh, with
the work I've been putting it in with my teammates
and with my coaches, and things possible with all go
worth to God.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
One thing I like to ask you guys each year
we've done this, especially those of you guys from up
north that have transplanted down south of the Mason Dixon line,
is about the food. Now that you can enjoy that
food a little bit, you know you're not gonna be
fighting to scale. We can go back and be like,
all right, when it's time for Sean to have a
nice good Southern meal these days, what are you? What's
your go to? What is your comfort food? When you're like,
I got a little bit, I don't have to worry

(30:34):
about making wait for a little bit. I'm gonna go
and I'm gonna have some nice, good old Southern cooking.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well I still do.

Speaker 8 (30:43):
I don't know, it's just a habit of it is
just always wearing by my weight. But I guess some
good Southern cooking that I like. Some Southern barbecue I
like fork.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, anybody on the team got a good smoker out
there doing the doing, doing the brisket and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
I don't. I don't know. I don't know that he's
got to be cooking.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's for after they get done competing, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, I was gonna ask if you ever found a
good pizza place. I know that's been for a tried
and true in New Yorker. That's been something you've been
looking for for a while.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
It's not yeah, so tell me.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Oh, man, I had a good follow up and then
we start talking about food and I remember just something
that's something that when you first got to app You're like, man,
I got to find a good pizza place.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
And I'm like, oh, good luck, buddy.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
And but hey, looking back from when you first got
to campus to now, where the areas where you've really
grown and developed, And it's either wrestling as a person academically, where.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
Do you think you've seen the most growth in Sean Carter.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
As a person, I feel like I'm matured more.

Speaker 8 (31:56):
I used to procrastinate a lot, like especially what with
my weight.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Get down at the last second.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
But now, uh, even in the school, Uh, I I
would just not set a schedule and then just go,
you know, go with the flow.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Now Uh, I'm matured.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
H as a person by just having this schedule out
my week each each time, each each day something pops up,
I make sure I write it down, setalmnders from myself,
like like today I'm going to get an extra workout
and I said it reminded for myself after the lift,
and I have several meetings throughout the uh after this
and today and throughout the week. So just staying organized,

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that's that's what I realized that I've done better at
staying organized, Sean.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
When we look at the guys around you, you know,
it's always talking about making your teammates better, They're going
to make you better. There's a good crop refreshment that's
come in here, and and what have you impressed been
impressed by from them so far? And what about the
guys that are going to be pushing you in the room.
I mean, who's who is helping you get your wraps?
And and any of those freshmen that are around your
weight class? Is gonnas gonna be something to keep an
eye on moving forward?

Speaker 8 (33:06):
Yes, right now, uh far back. He's been pushing me
a lot. He's really he's really good uh on on
top and he's pretty good defensively on his feet, so
he pushed me a lot in practice. Although he pushes
me to in practice. He's pretty strong. Who else one

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of the other class, younger classmen. Uh, I'll say factly,
he's uh, he's pretty scrambly. He so he's hard, he's
tough to finish on. So making sure that, uh, those
those young guys make sure they keep me young too.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I feel like I'm the older guy.

Speaker 8 (33:44):
Yeah, the way how I feel out the practice yea.
But yeah, so these guys are, they're good. Uh, they
belong here. Uh, they're gonna be champions one day. And
right now they're pushing me as hard as they can.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
On meet.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
So someone to cheap my goal as well. We're both
both here to cheap one thing at the end of
the day. So it's uh, it's gonna be it's gonna
be good season for us.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Next up n C A qualifier Will Miller. You guys
ready for Will?

Speaker 7 (34:18):
We'll take him?

Speaker 4 (34:19):
All right, all right, thank you?

Speaker 6 (34:24):
Yeah, it's going on.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
Hey, how are you fantastic? Fantastic? So how's uh, how's
the semester been looking for you?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I know you guys just like just started class back
I think yesterday or Monday. Maybe, how how's all that
been in kind of the You think living on the mountain,
I'm not gonna get flooded out, We're not gonna have hurricanes.

Speaker 7 (34:52):
You never think it's gonna happen. That kind of happened
when I was up there.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
A couple of times we had some little bit of flooding,
but nothing's the magnitude. What's kind of been going on
with I guess school and practice and just all the craziness.
How have you guys been dealing with that?

Speaker 9 (35:10):
Luckily when the hurricane came, I was up on the
top of the mountain, so I was all right. I
know a bunch of people went without like food and
water for a little bit, but uh, I think a
bunch of us. I know a bunch of us went
down to Charlotte, and we went and trained down to Charlotte,
So I mean we stayed training for the most part.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (35:30):
There we couldn't train in the wrestling room for like
a week and a half, so that kind of sucked.
But I mean, honestly, we're back into the swing of things.
I don't think it was a significant amount of time
to where it really impacted us.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
In like a negative way.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
I think it just gave us like a little break
and it allowed us to like look forward into coming back.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So what was it probably two three weeks you guys
were out of school, but for the most part, you
feel like pretty good, pretty like focused, and.

Speaker 9 (36:08):
Yeah, I feel good. I mean when we were out,
I think it was like three weeks. It might have
been four, But it honestly was kind of like kind
of sucked being out of school, Like you didn't have
like a routine that you went practice and then what
else did you have to do for the rest of
the day, Nothing to sit of your house like you
had nothing to do.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
So, I mean coming back is honestly a good thing.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
Gives you like a schedule, It gives you something to
look forward to. It gets you back in like the
group that you need to be in for season and
school and all that. Taking off school was nice, I'm
not gonna lie, but coming back to that that was
that's not so much fun.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
So, but looking at the.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I guess the perspective and maybe the community service and
Coach Bentley was talking about earlier, you guys have been
really volunteering and had a larger community presence. What's that
been like was that felt like to be I guess
even more involved in the boon and which talk to
hony communities awesome.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
I mean a bunch of guys on the team I know,
like Luke Leono for example, he was like on his
four wheeler every day. I don't even know where he
was at, like his places I've never even seen. He
was just driving on a four wheeler with a chainsaw, going.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
Out to help people.

Speaker 10 (37:14):
Me and probably ten other kids on the team went
helped out.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
With There was this organization up here. I forgot what
it was called.

Speaker 10 (37:20):
We we went helped with them, and we're just like
cutting down trees.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
I mean it's been fun and honestly, it gives you
something to do, like I was saying, like when you
have nothing to do and you can just go help
people and it's something that benefits like the community, it's
always a good time.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
It's a new take on Chopoyd carry water.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah. We went through a situation when I was in
college about a hurricane and then again we didn't have
the damage that that area did, but it was like
you learn what you have in your freezer and how
well your grills work in those situations where you don't
have powers. So what are some of the unique things
you guys did you know to kind of stay You know,
you know you're helping people out obviously, but for you

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guys own you know, self help and mental health, what
were you guys doing to stay mentally? You know, I
guess grounded so to speak.

Speaker 9 (38:11):
I mean, I think the biggest thing was there's a
couple of kids on our team being in North Carolina
that live in Charlotte, and a bunch of us went
down to Charlotte.

Speaker 10 (38:19):
And I think that was really the only thing that
kind of like kept the saying.

Speaker 9 (38:22):
Just staying up here, Like I know, for us, we
have to throw everything in our freezer out, everything in
our fridge out, And you couldn't go to like the store,
Like I try to go to the store because I'm
want to diet, you know, trying to make weight and everything.
And I go to the store and they wouldn't have
like ground, Like they wouldn't have like ground beef or
like meat out or like salmon or anything. So it's
kind of like how am I supposed to diet on.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Just like microwavable meals?

Speaker 9 (38:44):
Like I can't do this, So I finally we went
down to Charlotte and I was able to like stick
to a diet. Yeah, honestly, you had to get out
of Boon or find find a grill. Like I don't
have a grill. My apartment didn't let me have a grill,
so that was kind of tough. So I'd go over
to my buddies how or someone's house and they'd have
a black stone or something, and I'd just make like

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as much food as possible and then like meal prep
it and like leave it in their fridge and then
go over to their house and eat and then go
back to my house.

Speaker 10 (39:11):
So it was kind of just all over the place.
You just kind of had to pick a choo where
you went.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
How long were you without power?

Speaker 6 (39:18):
I was without power for about.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
I think it was about five days, maybe six days,
and we didn't have water five or six days.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
So I just went and stayed.

Speaker 9 (39:27):
At someone else's house. I was like, this, this sucks.
I can't even do anything. This is like I just
had to leave.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
So so from from a team building situation, it seems
like you guys got thrown right to the fire to
get to know some of your new teammates pretty quickly.
You know, there's there's freshmen that are you know that
that part of the state and you know, as Rachel
was talking about, that part of the region doesn't have
that impact from from large tropical storms like this, and
you know people that come from other places that aren't
familiar with that either. You guys get to get literally

(39:58):
thrown thrown together really quick with some adversity. So as
a team, what do you guys think you're going to
come out of this experience with. I mean, this is
the team building, Like this doesn't just happen. This is
this was an organic, uh you know, bad situation for
a lot of people that you guys came together and
then really became a team quickly.

Speaker 10 (40:15):
Yeah, I think it's really beneficial for our team.

Speaker 9 (40:17):
I mean I definitely knew, you know, you kind of
have some doubts about like the freshmen by who they are.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
You don't really know them that well yet.

Speaker 9 (40:24):
And then like I was saying, we went helped out
with that organization, and every freshman was there, Every freshman
was there, they were all helping. Everyone came together, everyone
helped out with the community. So I feel like we
all came together, we all went to Charlotte. We all practiced.
We found practicing like when we could. There's a guy
that we know up here who has like a matt

(40:44):
in his garage. We went up there and wrestled over there.
So I mean we came together and did what we
needed to do.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
In terms of the wrestling coming together. You know, you've
you've two years in the lineup, two trips to the tournament,
You've had to wrestle some of some of the best
guys in the country, and the opportunity, as we said,
you know, just getting there is this part of the goal.
Then you know, placing there your second year in the
line you didn't surprise anybody anymore, people like, oh, we
know who Will Miller is. You're gonna get people's best

(41:12):
every time you're out there now, So what's that kind
of change now is? I mean, you're still hunting the
top dogs in the country, but you're not a you know,
you're not a hidden entity, You're not a mystery to people.
So that being said, how do you got to come
out there every time knowing people are gonna get you know,
they're gonna throw your best at you, but you're also
going to throw your best at these guys that are
ranked above you as well.

Speaker 9 (41:34):
I'm kind of looking at it as I'm like number
one guy and everyone's hunting me.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
So if I don't bring my best, it's an upset.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
Like I don't care if they're seated in front of
me or if they're like a three time national champ.
I mean, I have to be the best I can be,
and if you beat that, then you beat me. So
I'm not chasing anybody I think of as people chasing me,
and that just keeps me humble, and it keeps me honest,
and it keeps me wrestling take the best of my feld.
I don't go out there flat. I don't go out
there and just think, oh, this one's going to be easy.

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It's I have to prove myself every time I'm out
there and make show why I'm the best.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
You know, we're an individual sport with that dual meet
team component. When the schedule came out, was there you
know any one duel meet you're looking at and you
want to circle on the calendar, be like, yeah, we're
all going to get fired up for this one.

Speaker 9 (42:19):
I think West Virginia, I think that'll be a good one.
And we haven't wrestled them ever before. I know that
I have a good kid to come and wrestle against,
which is always nice in the dual setting. So that'll
be fun and I'm excited for that.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
There mean about some things you've been doing in the
off season to really prepare for this season, or maybe
the lessons you took away from last season, your appearance
in national tournament, and what you're taking with you to
get ready for this season.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
The off season, I kind of took a different approach.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
I never I think or I'm from Alabama and so
there's a club that I go to in Alabama and
I wrestle every now and then. But I kind of
took more time off and then I did like other
like physical activities just to like stay in shape.

Speaker 10 (43:06):
I didn't run or lift weights at all like I
did kickboxing.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
I did jiu jitsu.

Speaker 9 (43:10):
I did other forms of physical like combat sports, which
is like it keeps you in shape, but it's something
like fun, Like I already know how to wrestle. I
like if I just go home and like wrestle a
high school or it's like it's not gonna do too
much for me. So I figured I'd try to do
something else, and then what was the second part.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I was just looking at maybe what you learned from
last season or last year's National tournament to now and
maybe the lessons you took from last season, how you're
able to to use that for this season.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
Yeah, definitely as I've gone through. The biggest experience I
would say was stay focused through like throughout the entire season,
like the weight cuts, the injuries, the nagging pains, the
adversity I have to come across. It can kind of
like de reality towards the end of the season. You

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have to stay focused and know that when it comes
to the end of the year, like this is everything
you've worked for and like this is my last year.

Speaker 10 (44:08):
So it's like I can't go out there and just
like not do what I'm supposed to do. Like I
have to do what I'm supposed to do and I
can't let myself forget that.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Finally, NCAA qualifier Thomas Brooker, Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Man?

Speaker 6 (44:26):
Good?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
How are you doing all right? So tell me how
you know you wrapped up your your first season as
a true freshman.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Going to the National Tournament.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I feel like you really surprised some people and you
really weren't on a lot of people's radar, and now.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
Here you are season number two, sophomore year. What's the
feeling like.

Speaker 11 (44:47):
I still have the same hunger for my first year.
I wasn't really surprised with going to Nationals, but I'm
ready to go to Nationals again and have a different result.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Awesome, And tell me a little bit about what you
did in the off season to really to get you
more prepared for this season season, or maybe some life
lessons or some wrestling lessons you learned from your freshman
season with apt wrestling.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
And the off season. I stayed pretty consistent.

Speaker 11 (45:18):
I was still focusing on my training, lifting, wrestling, and uh,
some life lessons I learned, just balancing the work with
just being out enjoying booms and spending time with important people.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
To me, we look at your season last year, you
know it, realistically, the way it was is if you
didn't win the Southern Conference, you probably weren't going to
get a wild card situation. You look at that, and
then you beat Caleb Hopkins who had pinned you earlier
in the year. So where do you think your improvement
throughout the course of the year was and where did

(45:57):
that switch flip me like I belong here, I'm one
of the show.

Speaker 11 (46:03):
I don't think it was a I didn't feel like
I never belonged. It was just I was young. I
needed to improve, so I knew that was going to
take a few lumps during the season. I just had
to stay consistent and keep working and not let it
take me off track.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Was there a point last season where you know, that
sense of belief really you know, you knew you were
good enough to be there, but then something just finally
started clicking. Do you remember any point in the season
was like, all right, I'm up this, Kyle is saying, Okay,
I got this.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
I would say.

Speaker 11 (46:36):
Probably late January is when I started it started coming
together and it clicks for me on just like technique wise,
effort wise, knowing what it needs to do.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
You know, there was a lot of talk with Will
about what you guys went through in terms of helping
the community out in the wake of, you know, the
damage from the hurricane. What was that like from your
experience to obviously be in the of all this, I mean,
things have been disrupted. Class has been disrupted, wrestling has
been disrupted, but the entire community in that region, North
Carolina has been disrupted? What's that been like for you
and the squad?

Speaker 11 (47:12):
For me, it was it was really strange. Even when
the hurricane was happening, I didn't think it was gonna
be as serious as it was because we're in the mountains,
and it just didn't make sense to me. And then
I went out and actually saw the damage and was changed,
and it was really crazy, and I was pretty worried
about what the rest of app season was going to

(47:32):
look like.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Is it a little different for you being in North Carolina?
Native to you know the other some of those guys
are on the tea, you know, you know Will and Seawan.
You know obviously they're not from from North Carolina, but
you being from Carolina? I mean, how did this hit
you differently? U?

Speaker 11 (47:49):
I mean differently just because I lived here all my
life and seeing it destroyed, maybe worried and wasn't really
happy about it, and just a lot to worry about
what happens next.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
And yeah, Rachel got me.

Speaker 7 (48:14):
I'm sorry, I lost my lost my controls.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Sorry, But so tell me, if you have one thing
that you really want to improve, you're really hoping to
work on, you're really thinking about marinating on this season.
What's that one thing that you're really looking at, tweaking, perfecting,
making better.

Speaker 11 (48:36):
Uh, it's my mental game right now. It's during practice,
not checking out and just going through the motions. It's
really focusing on every rep I do, every every technique,
every little thing that coach shows, and really being present
in the moment when things get really hard.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
Awesome, thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Coach Bentley talked about you know he's coming in from
you know, his kids soccer practice and goes in there.
There's you getting that extra workout in. How do you
work your schedule around to get those extra workouts and
what type of things are you doing in those extra
workouts to get just that much better each and every time.

Speaker 11 (49:14):
I'm just focusing on the little things I need to
improve when I'm going in by myself to do extra work,
and I think that's going to be doing that consistently
help me reach my goals.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
When you say little things, is that something like little
things like oh, a foot position, hand position, you know,
just lateral movement speed, Like what are some of those
little things you feel like are going to make the
littlest thing it's going to make the biggest improvement.

Speaker 11 (49:38):
This thing is really just my position when I'm wrestling
doing stance motion and I need to hit these these
moves perfect or else. That's not going to translate to
how I wrestle.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Have you noticed the difference already? Obviously there's no life
wrestling yet, but I mean in just the way you're
you know, your body's moving, the way you're feeling. I mean,
those little little improvements made a difference already here in
the preseason.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
I think.

Speaker 11 (50:06):
So I feel more fluid even when I drew, and
when we go live and practice, feel and I have
a strong position.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
As Sean this earlier, Who's who is pushing you in
the room? Like, who's who's whether it be a freshman
that's that's doing the team or somebody that's been around
you for the last two years, who is who is
pushing you to be a better wrestler.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
I think Will is really pushing me a lot.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
He's helping me grow, learn about the little things about
the focus, and then obviously the coach is always pushing
me to be my best.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
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