August 4, 2025 • 10 mins
Division I men’s wrestling only has one current HBCU wrestling program and it’s at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Maryland. Central Michigan alum and three-time All-American Jarod Trice is on staff with head coach Kenny Monday and Trice talks about the growth of himself as a coach under Monday, the growth of the program and the unique place Morgan State holds in wrestling.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Whoa here with Gerard Trice aka Dough.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Coaching at Morgan State with Kenny Monday. First of all,
let's just talk about that sentence right there. You are
on a coaching staff with one of the icons of
American wrestling history. Put that in perspective just for a minute.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's actually a great It's I don't even know how
to put it, man, but I'm actually honored to be
on the same staff as Kenny Monday Man, first Black
Olympic Champion nineteen eighty eight, soul one of my program
that I grew up in as in Highland Park, we
all looked up to hell, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Just how he threw everybody that drops and everything else. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So it was a blessing for me to be a
part of the staff, man for him calling me up
to help out and help Morgan grow.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, that opportunity. Coach at age and first HBC with
wrestling since two thousand and nine. When Dell State dropped
its Menstein, Morgan came back great tradition back in the
division too, eras the Jim Phillip Cheers. What did you
know about Morgan State Wrestling prior to coming on board?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I knew about David Morgan.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I knew about the Morgan family period because I'm Michigan man.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I knew about Tyrone Logan Pontiac guys.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I know about all the you know, most of most
of the black wrestlers that were on that program back
then or we're all from Michigan for the most part,
so I knew about it.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But like the difference is between now and then is
we're the only.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
HBC with division and wrestling, and it's it's pretty much
honored to help set this program up to to grow
and do.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Better things here at the convention.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And uh, you know when when it comes to being
a young coach in terms of not age wise but
young in your coaching career, what have you gotten out
of the convention.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So far?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm learning a lot about this NIO stuff, lu rules,
there's new thirty, the thirty man, the thirty, the thirty
spots on the roster and how things can be worked
out with how have an extra guys in your roster, scholarship,
all different types of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
This weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean, I was familiar with it, but now I'm
actually getting to get into understanding that a lot better.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Now after this this first day is the convention.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You look around, there's a lot of a lot of
you know, the older coaches. There's a leadership academy and
things like that, and you get you get to be
in an area with some some colleagues that are not
a competitive space, so you're not always just trying to
I need to beat that coach, I need to beat
that kid. What is it about growing as a coach
that you are looking forward to the most.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's a good question, man, Probably, man, the most the
most important thing to me, man, is actually helping a
young man to turn it to men. We're I'm in
the business of helping helping these guys become better people,
you know, graduating from college, helping them accomplish their goals.
I really want them to helping them accompliss becoming a
(03:24):
national champion. That was something I wasn't able to do
in my career, but I was able to get on
a podium three times. But I think that is probably
the most important thing to me, is helping develop a
guy who becomes a national champion.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Here at Morgan State.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
When we look at HBCUs in the landscape, I grew
up a big HBCU football fan, I grew up next
to Hampton University in NORFID State.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Battle of the Bays.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Howard Hu, who's the real Hu?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I grew up in that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Area, and I know the classics of black college football,
for example. But from a wrestling standpoint, with that void
being there, explain what that's like as an African American
wrestler and having that operauty. Why is an HBCU something
culturally that's important to have that opportunity to compete at To.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Be honest with you, if I can, I'll be honest
with you if.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I if I if HBCU Division one was around when
I was coming out of high school, I definitely would
have done it.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
And I'm pretty sure everyone from my from my whole
club would have done it, you know, like you know,
Anthony Jones, Marcela Bowls, Steve Patris, all those guys. Man,
we all would have done jumped on this train right away.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But like the thing is, man, we're now, HBCU wrestling
is just not for for black people, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So like you don't see color at all, that doesn't
really like wrestling.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You really don't see color at all, you know what
I mean It's not about that, you know, It's about
the guys who are ready to come in and and
develpt to become becoming a man and one of the
national title or just becoming an All American if that's
what your goals are set for.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So you look at Morgan, it's one of the most
it's the hidden treasure.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's a hit heading treasure.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's been in terms of the parlats of HBCUs. You know,
Howard Morgan, h Hampton University, those are kind of like
where I grew up. Those were the three in that
mid Atlantic region that are like they really like when
you talk HBCU sports, those are the three schools that
come to mind. Is there any pressure going into a
Morgan state knowing it's it's the first program in a
long time to.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Give that opportunity to be that unique type of niche.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
School and to succeed.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's not any pressure, man, But we know all eyes
are on us, man, everyone right now. They're they're they're
coming in like a lot of school Like we started
the youngest team a couple of years ago in NC
double We started eight out of ten true freshmen, and
then we came in in a in a in at
a bad time in my opinion, because of COVID.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Some guys got six seventh year and we didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
When we jump right into the fire right away, and
we're not shining away from any of that any of
that competition.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I see that like now.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
A lot of these teams are trying to jump on
us early while we're young and we're still building like
everyone's coming. If you look at our schedule this year,
it's probably one of the I can honestly say we're
probably have one of the top five schedules in the
country right now. If you go look at our our schedule,
we're not shining away from that. So we're come in
to compete with you guys right all the other schools
right away, so we don't have any pressure. It's more
(06:05):
pressure on those guys losing us and in this than
losing you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Opposite way.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So when looking at you know, Kenny Monday didn't lose
a whole lot, You didn't lose a whole lot. Now
you're coaching team, a brand new team. You guys, you've
done your share of losing. How hard is that for
you to get past your your desire to win and
succeed to just like, Okay, this is a process. But
but losing. Losing sucks. But losing is hard. And you know,
(06:31):
those first guys they're gonna they're gonna have to deal
with that. They're gonna be the ones that build the program.
So how do you relay, like, Okay, we're not used
to this, and how have you learned it?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
As a staff, we knew we were gonna, we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Gonna take some losses early on. But the thing was,
man with our guys who came in. The best thing
I can say.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
About that are our group of guys that we had
and that came in as a true freshman.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Even the two upper classing that we had, we got
our butt kicked early on, but none of those guys
like with their tailing between between their legs and ran away.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You know, they all came back.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We have a great, a great group of guys who
are all coachable. No one's scared of competition. That's the
only way you're.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Gonna get better in the sport. So it is what
it is for now.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So you guys can you guys can like we take
our licks early, man, but just knowing what in the
next couple of years we're gonna be coming back doing
the beatings.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Being on a coaching staff, What have you learned the
most about yourself?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, wrestling to humble you a lot already, But I
noticed that like dealing with guys that probably are the
same age of my not probably they are the same
agor are my two younger brothers.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And like, the thing is, the biggest thing was me was.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Learning how to speak to them as a coach instead
of like my siblings, you know, and uh, I really
don't know how, Like I don't know how to really
explain it, but like I'm I think that was probably
my biggest thing, man, Like more than anything, like learning
how to speak to those guys as a coacher set
of my siblings.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Man, because like you see, I see my twenty my
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Year old brother, and I'm like, dude, what do you
do you know is that conversation? I'm like, yo, man,
you know, the best thing I can say is, but
I'm happy to be a part of this to help
these guys mature.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's young men.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Lastly, you know, you came through Central with a pretty
good group pretty interesting group. And back in the day,
early Flow wrestling era, there was a there was a
video with you and Scotty Senties and he's wearing his
like Superman pajamas because he was like super Sentice as
always that kid State.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It was a kid State promo.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, and and so we've we've got you two that
are from vastly different backgrounds being on the same team,
two vastly bubbly personalities. But what's it like to see
what Scotty had to navigate through and then what he's
being able to do now early on with Wrestler's and
Business Network to help every program and knowing that you
guys were right there in the trenches together.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Oh, Man, I'm happy for Scotty Man what he's doing
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He took over that pro around after Colat and he
helped build in. Man, they were basically in the same
boat as us, you know, taking those beatings early on,
you know, and then as they got better, you see
that they're skipping a lot of those guys avoiding wrestling
them in their schedules.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So it is what it is, man, But I'm happy
for Scotty Man and what he has, what he has
going on for himself.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Now finally circling back up with Morgan. What can we
expect from Morgan, State Draw, Trice, Kenny Monday and staff
this year?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Oh well hopefully man, you got a pretty good heavyweight
you're working with too. Yeah, man, he got, he got.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
He got stubbed a little bit last year, you know,
but it is what it is. But hopefully we get
him on the podium this year. Our staff is strong.
All of us wrestled every day, even Kenny. Everybody wrestles
on our in our staff, on our whole entire staff.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So still he still got that old man strength. I
didn't say that, by the way.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He's strong, Hey Kenny strong. I mean he's not starting
anybody strong.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We'll leave it on that while you're still all right,
don't get see man.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Nice to see you as well, my dog.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
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Whoa here with Gerard Trice aka Dough.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Coaching at Morgan State with Kenny Monday. First of all,
let's just talk about that sentence right there. You are
on a coaching staff with one of the icons of
American wrestling history. Put that in perspective just for a minute.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's actually a great It's I don't even know how
to put it, man, but I'm actually honored to be
on the same staff as Kenny Monday Man, first Black
Olympic Champion nineteen eighty eight, soul one of my program
that I grew up in as in Highland Park, we
all looked up to hell, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Just how he threw everybody that drops and everything else. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So it was a blessing for me to be a
part of the staff, man for him calling me up
to help out and help Morgan grow.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, that opportunity. Coach at age and first HBC with
wrestling since two thousand and nine. When Dell State dropped
its Menstein, Morgan came back great tradition back in the
division too, eras the Jim Phillip Cheers. What did you
know about Morgan State Wrestling prior to coming on board?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I knew about David Morgan.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I knew about the Morgan family period because I'm Michigan man.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I knew about Tyrone Logan Pontiac guys.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I know about all the you know, most of most
of the black wrestlers that were on that program back
then or we're all from Michigan for the most part,
so I knew about it.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But like the difference is between now and then is
we're the only.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
HBC with division and wrestling, and it's it's pretty much
honored to help set this program up to to grow
and do.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Better things here at the convention.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And uh, you know when when it comes to being
a young coach in terms of not age wise but
young in your coaching career, what have you gotten out
of the convention.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So far?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'm learning a lot about this NIO stuff, lu rules,
there's new thirty, the thirty man, the thirty, the thirty
spots on the roster and how things can be worked
out with how have an extra guys in your roster, scholarship,
all different types of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
This weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean, I was familiar with it, but now I'm
actually getting to get into understanding that a lot better.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Now after this this first day is the convention.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You look around, there's a lot of a lot of
you know, the older coaches. There's a leadership academy and
things like that, and you get you get to be
in an area with some some colleagues that are not
a competitive space, so you're not always just trying to
I need to beat that coach, I need to beat
that kid. What is it about growing as a coach
that you are looking forward to the most.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's a good question, man, Probably, man, the most the
most important thing to me, man, is actually helping a
young man to turn it to men. We're I'm in
the business of helping helping these guys become better people,
you know, graduating from college, helping them accomplish their goals.
I really want them to helping them accompliss becoming a
(03:24):
national champion. That was something I wasn't able to do
in my career, but I was able to get on
a podium three times. But I think that is probably
the most important thing to me, is helping develop a
guy who becomes a national champion.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Here at Morgan State.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
When we look at HBCUs in the landscape, I grew
up a big HBCU football fan, I grew up next
to Hampton University in NORFID State.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Battle of the Bays.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Howard Hu, who's the real Hu?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I grew up in that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Area, and I know the classics of black college football,
for example. But from a wrestling standpoint, with that void
being there, explain what that's like as an African American
wrestler and having that operauty. Why is an HBCU something
culturally that's important to have that opportunity to compete at To.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Be honest with you, if I can, I'll be honest
with you if.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I if I if HBCU Division one was around when
I was coming out of high school, I definitely would
have done it.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
And I'm pretty sure everyone from my from my whole
club would have done it, you know, like you know,
Anthony Jones, Marcela Bowls, Steve Patris, all those guys. Man,
we all would have done jumped on this train right away.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But like the thing is, man, we're now, HBCU wrestling
is just not for for black people, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So like you don't see color at all, that doesn't
really like wrestling.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You really don't see color at all, you know what
I mean It's not about that, you know, It's about
the guys who are ready to come in and and
develpt to become becoming a man and one of the
national title or just becoming an All American if that's
what your goals are set for.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So you look at Morgan, it's one of the most
it's the hidden treasure.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's a hit heading treasure.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's been in terms of the parlats of HBCUs. You know,
Howard Morgan, h Hampton University, those are kind of like
where I grew up. Those were the three in that
mid Atlantic region that are like they really like when
you talk HBCU sports, those are the three schools that
come to mind. Is there any pressure going into a
Morgan state knowing it's it's the first program in a
long time to.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Give that opportunity to be that unique type of niche.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
School and to succeed.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's not any pressure, man, But we know all eyes
are on us, man, everyone right now. They're they're they're
coming in like a lot of school Like we started
the youngest team a couple of years ago in NC
double We started eight out of ten true freshmen, and
then we came in in a in a in at
a bad time in my opinion, because of COVID.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Some guys got six seventh year and we didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
When we jump right into the fire right away, and
we're not shining away from any of that any of
that competition.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I see that like now.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
A lot of these teams are trying to jump on
us early while we're young and we're still building like
everyone's coming. If you look at our schedule this year,
it's probably one of the I can honestly say we're
probably have one of the top five schedules in the
country right now. If you go look at our our schedule,
we're not shining away from that. So we're come in
to compete with you guys right all the other schools
right away, so we don't have any pressure. It's more
(06:05):
pressure on those guys losing us and in this than
losing you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Opposite way.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So when looking at you know, Kenny Monday didn't lose
a whole lot, You didn't lose a whole lot. Now
you're coaching team, a brand new team. You guys, you've
done your share of losing. How hard is that for
you to get past your your desire to win and
succeed to just like, Okay, this is a process. But
but losing. Losing sucks. But losing is hard. And you know,
(06:31):
those first guys they're gonna they're gonna have to deal
with that. They're gonna be the ones that build the program.
So how do you relay, like, Okay, we're not used
to this, and how have you learned it?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
As a staff, we knew we were gonna, we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Gonna take some losses early on. But the thing was,
man with our guys who came in. The best thing
I can say.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
About that are our group of guys that we had
and that came in as a true freshman.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Even the two upper classing that we had, we got
our butt kicked early on, but none of those guys
like with their tailing between between their legs and ran away.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You know, they all came back.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We have a great, a great group of guys who
are all coachable. No one's scared of competition. That's the
only way you're.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Gonna get better in the sport. So it is what
it is for now.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So you guys can you guys can like we take
our licks early, man, but just knowing what in the
next couple of years we're gonna be coming back doing
the beatings.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Being on a coaching staff, What have you learned the
most about yourself?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, wrestling to humble you a lot already, But I
noticed that like dealing with guys that probably are the
same age of my not probably they are the same
agor are my two younger brothers.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And like, the thing is, the biggest thing was me was.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Learning how to speak to them as a coach instead
of like my siblings, you know, and uh, I really
don't know how, Like I don't know how to really
explain it, but like I'm I think that was probably
my biggest thing, man, Like more than anything, like learning
how to speak to those guys as a coacher set
of my siblings.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Man, because like you see, I see my twenty my
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Year old brother, and I'm like, dude, what do you
do you know is that conversation? I'm like, yo, man,
you know, the best thing I can say is, but
I'm happy to be a part of this to help
these guys mature.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's young men.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Lastly, you know, you came through Central with a pretty
good group pretty interesting group. And back in the day,
early Flow wrestling era, there was a there was a
video with you and Scotty Senties and he's wearing his
like Superman pajamas because he was like super Sentice as
always that kid State.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It was a kid State promo.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, and and so we've we've got you two that
are from vastly different backgrounds being on the same team,
two vastly bubbly personalities. But what's it like to see
what Scotty had to navigate through and then what he's
being able to do now early on with Wrestler's and
Business Network to help every program and knowing that you
guys were right there in the trenches together.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Oh, Man, I'm happy for Scotty Man what he's doing
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He took over that pro around after Colat and he
helped build in. Man, they were basically in the same
boat as us, you know, taking those beatings early on,
you know, and then as they got better, you see
that they're skipping a lot of those guys avoiding wrestling
them in their schedules.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So it is what it is, man, But I'm happy
for Scotty Man and what he has, what he has
going on for himself.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Now finally circling back up with Morgan. What can we
expect from Morgan, State Draw, Trice, Kenny Monday and staff
this year?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Oh well hopefully man, you got a pretty good heavyweight
you're working with too. Yeah, man, he got, he got.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
He got stubbed a little bit last year, you know,
but it is what it is. But hopefully we get
him on the podium this year. Our staff is strong.
All of us wrestled every day, even Kenny. Everybody wrestles
on our in our staff, on our whole entire staff.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So still he still got that old man strength. I
didn't say that, by the way.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He's strong, Hey Kenny strong. I mean he's not starting
anybody strong.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We'll leave it on that while you're still all right,
don't get see man.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Nice to see you as well, my dog.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
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Sportswear since ever. Since you need something, shirts, hats, gear, teamwear,
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