May 13, 2023 • 46 mins
Today, Charlie and J.D. welcome Joel Hodges to the show. Joel is the Florida & Carribbean law enforcement Glock representative where the three of them discuss some of Glock's latest models, how everyone seems to be going to a red dot or a modular optic system (MOS), and the history of Glock handguns.
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And welcome to the town outdoor show. I'm Charlie Grants over there with out
a microphone because we have a guestin the studio today and we're not in
our new studio, so we've onlygot three microphones and four people. Um.
The President apparently doesn't like to havea lot of people in his studio
because he's he's like, I keepit artificially limited to I can have two
(00:31):
people in here with me, andthat's all I want. Um, I
gotta, I gotta ask a question. Grant. Ye, there's Preston plan
on doing some really long shows goingforward or something. Because I'm looking across
the studio and he has a newbox of crackers over there, and I
don't mean like you know, youknow southern white folks I'm talking about.
I'm told me he got some richcrackers and some Lance crackers and some I
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don't see, no toast cheese overHe's stepping it up. He heard we
were building our own studio out oftalent, and he's he's stepping it up
now. I mean, we we'renever gonna match this, but he's now
he's providing food and refreshments, notjust refreshments we're gonna be providing refreshments,
but after hours refreshments. I don'texpect to see any cores or anything in
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Freshman's refrigerator over here. Certainly notany bloodlight anyway. All right, So
this is our second show in Dothan, UM. So if you've tuned back
in the second week, you obviouslydon't know any better. And if you
tuned in for us first time,somebody obviously didn't tell you what was going
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on today. But once again asa reminder, UM, the third hour
of Gary Sullivan has been uh done, Rundolf, Well he's he's he got
two hours. He gets some moreto marrow on one h three nine,
UM News talk here in the WideGrass area and for the Tallahassee market,
y'all are going just hush and getonto the good stuff and we will at
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the just a reminder how the showgoes. For the doph And folks.
We've got four segments and you folksand Dothan are gonna have one more for
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people laughing at the stupid stuff wedo, or it may be because we
have some information. Today is goingto be interesting because we actually I don't
know how you pulled it off,Jady. Well, I have to feed
Joel later, Oh lunch, sofor a little bit of food, you
know, a little bit of promisesand barbecue or something. Well, well,
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I've never Okay, So we haveJoel Hodges in the studio today and
Joel is the regional law enforcement upfor Glock. And there's more to the
title than that. But before Ilet him introduce hisself and start talking,
because Joel has been known to toto spin a tale of truth truth tale.
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But he will talk for a littlebit because there's a lot of information
going on. But Joel was justone of those guys that we met.
I don't know a long time ago. I know exactly when Joel and I
met for the first time. Whatwas that. It was in the mid
nineties. He was at Clay County, the Clay County Sheriff's Office and I
was at FSU Police Department and wemet in Miami at the Metro Dade's Officers
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Revival Instructor School. And uh,we were one of one of two rednecks.
He and I were the two thetwo North Florida rednecks in the class.
I think it was one of theone of the fellow from maybe from
Clay County, but we were wewere the two rednecks in the class.
So normally, you know, naturallywe kind of migrated each other. And
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uh, and I thought they werethe coolest things on the planet. Was
I was shooting a nine millimeter clockseventeen at the time, and they were
running, uh, ported barrel glockmodel twenty ten millimeters pistols. That was
their duty. No, no,this was different school. So we get
out there to the night shoot andI steal play off. Yeah, we
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got out there to the night shootand I got with him and another the
other guy was on either side ofme at the night shoot and they started
to shoot Dragon's breath like no,it like two like you're standing there between
two top fuel dragsters with these youknow, with the fire coming up the
top of the top of the gunman. Something rung with Joe gun it's
blowing fire out the top and sowe had a good time. So Joel's
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been law enforcement, he's you knowdone. He's a glock rep, which
is, you know, while wespend as much time with him as we
do. He's run competitions at ourfacility, competitive shooter. Um, you
also repped down in the in theyou said the Caribbean, I say to
Caribbean, I don't know if that'sclosed any time if you want to anyways,
So why don't you roll into itbecause we're gonna what y'all understand about
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Joel. Joel is one of themost down to earth cool guys you're ever
gonna hang out with. He's builtlike a bodybuilder, and he's got like,
you know, belted machine gun bulletsaround one wrist and was tattooed.
He but he is He's a baddude, I mean, and an awesome
guy. And I think by theend of the show, you're gonna have
a stronger grass for the type ofpeople glocks fielding out there to take care
(05:23):
of us. So anyway, sowhat is your official title again, I'm
the district manager for law Enforcement salesfor all Florida and the Caribbean, which
is Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands primarily, but I'm also the commercial manager commercial
sales manager in the Caribbean, becauseI guess they don't want to send two
people down there to have a goodtime, you know, just just one
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of us. Let's work, Joel, it's not supposed to be a good
time. Well, you know,you would kind of think that, but
it's not all. I see thebeach when I fly in or fly out,
and that's about it. Working abooth somewhere or hanging out in boardrooms
and talking to people in sealing,right, Like, you don't have a
good time anyhow. So how longhave you been with Glock? Actually I
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just turned fourteen years with Gluck.We came on to Glock originally as a
trainer. Was recruited down out ofthe last shot show they had in Florida
was in two thousand and nine,and I was down there and run across
the guy that I had trained beforethat was the regional manager and who was
not worth Glock anymore. But hekept talking to me about because I was
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actively training after I retired overseas locallyand it was my background, like you
guys, that's what we did.And he hooked me up with Glock and
they recruited me and I actually hadthe Upper Midwest. I actually moved into
an apartment up in Kentucky for almostfour years, taught the armor classes,
the instruct the workshop classes and thosethings. And then about four years in
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I wanted to come home. Iwas going to go back to contract work
because I was doing really well wellthat I could have named my own contracts.
And you know, they said,well, look we're gonna split Florida
off as a district off of Georgia, Alabama, when you only person actually
still lives in Florida, And sothey offered that job to me, and
here I am been there ever since. Cool. Yeah, that's a two
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thousand and nine. That was thelast year j D and I went to
that was we went to that shot. Yeah, we were at that show
absolutely only about twelve people there.I'm surprised we didn't bump into you because
you know, it was a smallevent there people. Yeah. We uh
yeah, um the yeah. Wealways like going to the glock booth and
go into the glock show. Whenwe're at Shot. We just hadn't been
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the Glock Party. Yeah, theGlock Party. I'm sorry they it's been
a big event. It's fun.We just hadn't been that. We hadn't
been a Shot show in a coupleof years because when things started going downhill
with the pandemic and all that,and then we gave up our booth,
we just weren't getting you know,we're not Glock, so we were not
getting the real visitation or the businessside of that. We decided just to
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roll back into what ain't gonna weara mask for five days? When I
hadn't want to mask the whole timefor the most part. Here I was
saying, I couldn't give us ananswer, So we're gonna have to wear
a mask at that show. Well, we're still trying now and there mind
because we've cut a lot of ourstaff back from Shot show as since the
COVID thing hit, and fortunately,and I don't want to sound like this,
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but I've been enough years that I'mtelling them, Look, you got
some of the newer guys that reallywant to go. I'll go if you
want me to. If you don'twant me to, I'm good to stay
home. That's kind of a littlebit of seniority there. Yeah, well
and we're we we have a goodtime because there's a sushi place we like
to go to, all you caneat sushi. I miss that. That's
what I miss about the show.Yeah, is that and then going you
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know, going around and seeing newstuff. But here's the thing is,
we've gotten to where, at thispoint in our careers, we don't really
need to go to the shot show. We go to a couple of trade
shows here and there, distributor showsor whatever. But if there's something new
and cool, you're gonna tell usabout it. Yeah, well we're gonna
see, you're gonna gonna bring it, show it to us. And we've
gotten to the point where now manufacturersshow up at our store and go,
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hey, we want to sell youthis, and what do you think about
that? And here we when weleave a sample of that. Why do
we want to roll into Vegas?I mean, can we've been a time
or two? Yeah? You keepup with numbers or do you think a
dozen times? Probably close to i'dsay ten. Yeah, your support for
us is glocking me personally. It'snot a secret that we're friends, but
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as well as you know professional um, compadres that you know, whenever something's
coming out, I'm always running bya showing you and yeah, yeah,
well I suspect there's at least oneblock in the room. At least you're
well protected. Oh no, Idon't know that we're so I don't know
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that we're I don't know that we'resupposed to be. But that's I don't
know what it's looking about. I'mcompletely Uh. Yeah, we're not going
to allow you into talent studios withouta gun. Hey, that's a good
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zero five two five two and we'reback um again. If you just tuned
in, we have our our goodfriend Joel Hodges, the district manager regional
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manager for district District, district manwhatever. He's the glock guy and Caribbean
Glock guy. Yeah, yeah,boy, I tell you what. Robin
never said that before this show anyhow. Um so, uh yeah, I
forgot what we were talking about.Y'all had this whole conversation on the break,
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and then Grant and I started havinganother conversation right in the middle of
y'all's conversation, and so I haveno idea where we left cross Fire.
Well we were, we were kindof giving a but anyway, we were
talking about business. You'll talk aboutbaseball, talk about the Shot Show and
all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Joel m is all knowing everything Glock,
and he is also a history buffof the company. For the most
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part, he can tell you howGlock came to be because Glock is one
of the youngest, if you will, firearms manufacturers of any size and consequence.
They're a very young, very youngcompany compared to Colton Smith and Weston
Area and uh some of these othercompanies that have been out so in nine
minutes or less. See what youcan impart was what wisdom you can impart?
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Well, one of the things Iwant to want to say is that
when he did what he did,mister Glock, he revolutionized handguns. Again,
if you look it through history,you see the Stoner designed they are
and Browning, you know, thenineteen eleven, and then Glock, well
it sits the bar. So whathappened was mister Glock was already a major
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player in manufacturing of polymers and medalsand think like that overseas. So he
didn't just come in to start doingthis. He was all kind of things.
He did anything metal appliants, frames, and there's many other things that
I don't even know about that hemanufactured. And he was already well end
of all of that. And hehad a meeting I believe it was like
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the State Department what we would callthe State Department, and he was sitting
outside waiting for the meeting when heoverheard two generals talking about their dislike for
the search for a new handgun.You know, at the time, the
only thing really available was the Peighty five or the P thirty eight or
and some other things they were lookingat, but they weren't happy with that.
So he walks down the hallway andgets into the conversation with him and
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ask him how long before they hadto have a prototype. I think it
was three or six months, andhe said I can do that, and
they said I don't. You know, I think they probably doubted him,
and his first prototype worked. Butthe good thing I think that caused it
was that mister Glock, as faras knowledge of handguns was, he was
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not a gun guy. You know, he was a draftsman, engineer.
He's a brilliant man. And I'mnot saying that because I worked for him,
but he's absolutely brilliant and he's anefficiency expert. If you ever got
a chance to tour the factory,you would see that because a lot of
the things that we have that buildsour guns he designed and built. So
it's proprietary designs on the things thatmanufacture our handgun and it's it's an absolutely
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work of art. So is that? Why? Is that why when you
go to Samyrna and you get thetour of the factory, they don't let
you go down that wing of youlook, you can peek down there and
you see some machines running. Butyou know, yeah, and you understand
too that you know, we're we'relike everybody else. You know, there's
things we want to not put outyet, you know, or let you
know that we're working on or whatever. And there are certain times when people
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can get a tour. It's notsomething that we routinely do. It has
to be something set up. We'lldo it with like police chiefs and people
like that to come in, youknow, or somebody, and then they'll
be escorted around by one of thepowers that be and walked in the right
places. And certain times nobody cango back there, even us, because
that they're shutting down working on somethingspecifically that has to be in the manufactured
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area there. So yeah, it'sit comes and goes, but it's all
for a reason. But every nowand then we get a clue that there's
a new glock coming out, andit's because they'll come out with you know,
like a glock forty eight and wewait a minute, will just hold
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on, It might be a littlebit and it's coming out. Yeah,
you guys pay more attention than most, I'll give you that. But so
he built the gun and it wasa p eighty was what the name of
the pistol was, and the Lustianarmy adopted it. He also made the
bayonet for him. He'd been makingthat before, and so some of his
people got with him and said,look, you know, law enforcement market
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at the time, and you guyswere in it like I was. We
were transitioning, trying to transition fromrevolver over to semi automatic weapons. And
then when the glock came in,you know, it wasn't kind of an
answer to what he had. Hehad a big niche in the market,
that was a need that he filled, and he filled it entirely. So
they came over and started marketing.I remember the first time I saw it
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was in Jacksonville when Carl Walters wasone of his good friends and kind of
a helped him pioneer sales over hereto what I understand, and I was
on the range in Jacksonville. WheneverCarl Walters pulls up, you know,
rented car. He didn't say aword to us. He gets out,
combs his hair, walks around tothe back of the car and he pulls
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the string and it was tied tothe bumper and in the back of it
was his glock flying up and downthe road and he picks the gun up.
He picks the gun up, putsa magazine and he never says the
word does He walks at the berm. He emptied the magazine seventeen rounds and
he looked at us and he said, my name is Carl Walters. This
is a glock handgun. And Iwent, well, I can tell you
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right now what I got on myside won't do that. So there was
kind of the beginning for me andus when that was back in the early
days. Yeah, the glocks wentthrough the extense, to tell you when
the first one I ever saw waswhen I went to FSU Police to go
to work. I had gone throughthe academy, didn't know what one was,
eighty nine ninety, and then rolledinto the FSUPD and they gave me
a model nineteen revolver, you know, because because that's what i'd gone through
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the academy with and uh, andit took me out to the and had
had the old uh stackable boxes withthe holes through the trigger guard and all
that, and that was yeah,old Tupperware, old Tupperware boxes if you
will, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember I remember going through
the first Bill Rogers shooting school Iever went through with a glock, and
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yeah, okay, outshot everything elseon the range, including the nineteen eleven
because they kept my function. Imean, not that they're prone to or
anything. But you know, youknow what I'm saying, It happens.
It happens now. I remember,I remember the guys from the Sheriff's Office
White team that I then ended upbeing on and being the team leader one
day and training coordinator for the teamcarrying nineteen elevens until we went to glocks
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eventually. I remember being in thatfirst Roger's course and the guys caring nineteen
elevens. We were drawing and firingfrom retention holsters and getting hits on the
head places in the Roger school.And I watched one of the guys from
the Shaite team caring in nineteen elevenshot in the ground three times between his
toe and the target because he couldn'tget the gun out fast enough and was
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coming off. He was trying toget on the trigger and get the safe
and it just was hard. Andthen you were shooting the forty five instead
of a nine, and I compoundedit, and so you know, as
far as speed and accuracy, Imean, it's it's I mean, and
everybody's I don't know as anybody evertried to copy a glock design, Joel.
Yeah, we've had several different onesin the past. Going any name
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like anything pretty much anything polymer,pretty much anything. Well, you know,
I tell you, I tell yousomething else that's interesting about poorly about
there talking about the polymer. Well, people looking those gun cases now and
they see a lot of guns thatare look alike and you can really go,
well, what is that one?And then and they all striker fired
polymer or plastic or nylon, sometype of a an artificial frame. And
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they don't realize that that's proprietary.And I'll give you an example. UM
I have one of our distributors tookone of our competitors UM frame gun it
wasn't metal, and took it andstruck it with a plastic mallet shattered just
like brittle, uh, peanut brittleor whatever. Conversely speaking, Uh,
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there was an incident and they don'tmind me talking about it because we actually
did an article on it. Wasdown in Pascal or Polk County. One
of the officers down there gotten involvedin a point blank shooting with a guy
that they had a warrant for andor for another guy. But they found
this guy on the road, pattedhim down along In the short of it,
he got in a point blank shootingarm's length apart, and one of
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the rounds the officer took went betweenhis fingers and cleaned out the meat between
his fingers and the frame of theglock pistol caught that bullet. I've got
pictures of it where it just didn'tbreak it, it didn't go through it,
it caught it. It looked likeyou you melted it into the frame.
Well, both of them went down, suspecting officer and went down.
Officer picked the weapon up with hisgood hand and finished off the bad guy
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and saved his life. And I'vegot pictures of that. I've got pictures
of several of them, like becauseyou know what, I know, when
you're closed shooting, you're looking atthe gun, and that's kind of why
they hit the hands and the gunsa lot of times. And I've got
several photographs of the exact same thingwhere the bullet was caught by the frame.
Nobody else can claim that. Nobodyelse can do that. It's a
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proprietary formula. And when I tellpeople the frame is built with harmonic flex,
is designed to flex a certain way. There's so much engineering that when
you think about this, you gotroughly thirty four parts in the gun and
it shoots that flawless. Nobody elsecan. That's the genius of the pistol
is to be able to do whathe did with so few parts, and
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that's the brilliance of it. Ilove the Armor of schools for Glock because
I've been through the model oh cultarmor of school back in the day,
and they teach you how to usefiles, you know, and abrasives to
actually make things fit the gun man. There's a real art to being a
cult mechanic. I mean there is. I mean you want to run a
nineteen eleven and work on them,there's an art to it. Yeah.
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Um, you know, you showup to the Glock Armor of School and
you get a little pin pusher,you know, might get a hockey puck
or something there to play. Iforget what, Hannah, I remember.
I got that maybe a tray forthe parts, the little er, a
little rubber tray, a pin pusher, pusher, and then then there's something
there's one thing the little orange replaceplay covered play engagement right and uh and
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maybe a front sight tool maybe nowthat they've gotten away from the stake front
side. The hockey park I gotwas from H and K. When I
went through their thing, because youhad to, you had to actually get
a hammer and a drive some stuffout, and that was but uh yeah,
yeah, but Dormer classes. It'sit's a great class because it actually
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teaches you not just how to replacethe parts, but it teaches you the
cycle of operation, which I thinkis essential to be able to work on
the gun itself. So you peoplego, can you do a trigger job
on my block? I said,I will order. I can order you
a trigger and then give me fiveminutes and we'll talk about that new trigger
here shortly too. Yeah, intothe next segment, and I hear the
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music play sounding like a radio professionalhave any headphones? Has no idea what
I was watching? Your hand signals? Okay, I think that those hand
signals definitely different, completely different handsignal. That's true. That we're just
we're transitioning to the break. That'swhy I was giving him a hard time
about it. Anyway, there usedto be something we used on the shooting
line, you know, you know, displays transit. Now it's like no,
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come back, come here, comehere, come back over here.
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you probably just listen to five minutesof us talking about something else.
But we're back to our regularly scheduledprogramming. So Glock has since we got
Joel in the studio talking about Glockstuff, all things Glock. Glocks come
out with a couple of new modelsvery recently, the forty seven being the
flagship. Now they're they're no longerproducing the seventeen MS and now it's now
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kind of a fwell it's the fortyseven. They changed the name of the
seventeen MOS, made some improvements toit, and released the forty seven.
But also had a new gun thatwas to show up here recently, which
was basically a twenty six little smallsubcompact double stack in three eighty, which
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has been around for a long time. What's the modeling of twenty five?
Yeah, is smaller in twenty eighththe nineteenth size right, the twenty five
and the twenty eight. They werereserved for South America overseas for countries that
did not allow civilians to own afirearm chambered in a military caliber. That
was my understanding. They've been arounda long time, around a long time,
but you can tell about the number, you know, they could not
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match the import points to be ableto get into the country. So real
quick about Glock model numbers. Theseventeen was the first one that they released
in the US. Had nothing todo with it holding seventeen rounds. Yeah,
that was a miss number. Yeah, everybody thought they called it a
Glock seventeen because the magazine was seventeenround pasty. It was my understanding that
it was the seventeenth pattern that misterGlock received. That's what we understand as
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well, that it was his patent, the number of his patents. But
since then everything's been chronological. Nowyou'll see that as he spoke, Charlie
spoke earlier that you'll we saw theforty eight before you saw the forty seven.
Well, not that it wasn't thatwe jumped one. It's just that
sometimes when they come out with one, and it's happened a couple of times,
like the Model forty, that whenyou get to a certain number,
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you're you you've assigned a number tothat model number to it. But it
took a little bit more tweaking intheir own mind to be able to get
it out, and the other onecoming behind it just happened to get out
before it did. But it's stillsequential as far as the design and then
sneering of the pistols pretty pretty straightup with it. There's a lot of
comments out there, people go,you know, but the model numbers being
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so close to caliber numbers, it'sconfusing to come out with a block forty
four, but that's in twenty two. It's twice to twenty two. Makesure
to forty four, You don't yougotta understand forty five nine millimeter and then
the yeah, the forties of tenand the forties, the forties of ten,
the forty five is a nine andthe forty four is of twenty two.
Yeah, yeah, perfectly confueling,yes, absolutely, but yeah,
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exactly right. Yeah, but it'sall sequential, you know, once you
understand the numbering system, you know, and it really is helpful historically if
you're talking about like I'll give youexample, and most people don't realize that.
And this is some things I bringup in the armor class that the
twenty twenty one and twenty two,which was the ten millimeter forty five and
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forty original once the full size oneswe would call it, came out within
the same year, but the twentycame first, and so when the twenty
came out ten millimeter, it wasthe first gun that had a locking block
pin. Now if you can see, now, what have we done taking
them away and that away because wesee that the engineering is is improved into
that aspect and we don't need itfor strength of the locking block because locking
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blocks have changed over the years aswell. Yeah. Anyway, so I
got in the weeds. There wassome work, didn't we That's all right,
there's there's some there's some there's someguys are going I always wondered about
that and then there's everybody else inoh still now. But it's a but.
I mean I I just remember thedifferent generations of them have come along,
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you know, the different grip textures, and every time there's a new
Okay, well this is this diamondshape, this is this, this is
this, and now people are grindingall that off and doing their own engraving
and adding stuff to them. Backthen, it was like, well,
glocks can't be you know, can'tbe can't be customized. And then and
then redneck America goes, yeah,there is. I think probably more glocks
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have been customized and rebuilt and redesignedand in their own personal and people want
to personalize their stuff. I seeall kinds of things out there. We
indep down. None of that reallyaffects functioning of the pistol until you start
getting inside of it. Yeah,I mean, well, if all right,
So, knowing what you know,are there things that you would not
do to a glock? One ofthe things that caution people about and again
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I'm real funny about telling you whatto do with your gun, because if
you're buying my glock, I'm onthat page. However, there are some
things that I want you to becareful with. One of them is how
much metal you cut off the slide. Where that slide is designed and those
springs and their recoil springs are designedwith really stringent specifications and slide speeds.
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As a give you an example,when we first put out the Model forty
at Shot Show, we pulled itback and then we put it then we
put it out because we weren't happywith slide speed. So those kind of
things are very very important. Youcut a lot of weight off that slide,
and what are you doing. You'respeeding your slide up if you're doing
that, And I'll tell you thatI will step on some toes when I
talk about cutting those slides. Ifyou do that, I won't tell you
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not to. I'd tell you towatch your slide speeds and change those recoils.
Spring assemblies out a lot more oftenbecause you and I both know that
when you when you lighting that slideand your slide gets faster, you have
to be careful and that it doesn'toutrun the round coming up out of the
magazine, and I have seen problemswith that. So you need to be
careful of that and keep a goodstrong newer recoil spring in which we now
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recommend numb more than five thousand rounds. No, I've got some of my
own that's got the many more thanthat, but that would be a good
rule of thumb to go by ifyou do that. One of the biggest
complaints that we hear in a gunstore is people that especially competition shooters,
that don't like the five and ahalf pound factory trigger pool, so they
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want to go buy an aftermarket triggerpool and then or aftermarket trigger said or
whatever, and it a lot oftimes those will cause problems as well because
they're not the same tolerances that theblock parts are. So Glock finally answered
customer demand here very rich he did, and we've got a bunch of them.
We actually have a bunch of themin stock right now. It's probably
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one of the few places you canfind them in stock somewhere because they are
fast movers. But Glock finally cameout with a competition trigger. Yep.
Well you think about this. Backin the early years, we were considered
a hair trigger, and to thepoint that we had to manufacture a tougher
trigger. When we came out withthe New York Spring eight and twelve pounds
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and then the plus connector because everybodywas scared of that hair trigger because we
weren't used to a light striker friedweapon. People were coming off of a
twelve pound trigger pull on absolutely.But now that's come full circle and people
are saying, well, you don'thave the best trigger. You know,
I've got this one. Well someof those guns or single actions and those
kind of things. So Glock went, Okay, well i'll give you a
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lighter trigger, and that's what theydid when they came out with the performance
trigger, and I think they dida really good job with that. Now
I don't when I get something,I wear it out. I've got my
own range and I do training onmy own, and I mean on the
range somewhere all the time, andI have got about three thousand rounds through
mine right now and I've got nocomplaints about it whatsoever. I even shot
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with our shooter, Shane Coley,up at a range event we had here
recently, and that's what he's running. So if Shane Coley, the professional
glock shooter, runs with it,then because he can have his choice,
then it's good enough for me.But it will surprise you how really nice.
It makes that trigger. It's aquick, straight drop off, and
of course it's you know, arguablyfour to four and a half pounds.
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Yeah, and a lot of alot of the things we see when people
try to lighten the glock trigger pulleddown the three pound three and a half
four pound range, they start takingtaking off springs and whittling on things,
and it just makes the gun eithernonfunctional or unsafe to a degree. That's
exactly right. When you start grindingoff, and one of the first things
you can tell you take the fireand pin, because the fire and pin
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has to be compressed. It's adouble action gun. And when you start
cutting off, you can see theloose ends of the spring when you take
it off, and you go andwell, it's about you know, a
quarter of an inch shorter than thereal one, and you're wondering why you're
getting light strikes. People don't understandunless you really know the gun. When
you start changing things, even puttingin aftermarket parts, some of the dynamics
that you can change with that gunthat you just don't know about. So
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a lot of I hear people fromtime to time call glock a single action
pistol. It's not a single actionpistol, you know it's not. It's
a double action pistol. It's strikerfired. It's striker fired. Yep.
And I think the misconception and whata single action pistol wants. The safety
is off, you pull the trigger. All the trigger is doing is releasing
the hammer or whatever the fire mechanismis and a glock. You're actually for
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a moment, the trigger, thetrigger is compressing the fire pin spring just
a little bit yep, and thenit let's go. You have a little
bit of tension on the firing pinchspring when it is at rest, because
that's what's required to reset the pistol. When your slide goes forward, your
firing pin touches the engagement with thetrigger bar, pushing the trigger bar forward,
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and it does allow a little bitof spring tension in it. But
you're not fully compressing that recourse orthe fire pin assembly until you pull the
trigger, and until you pull thetrigger to firing pin block blocking That safety's
not getting one in front and oneand back of the fire and beat it
with a hammer. It's not goingoff. Absolutely Well, we'll be uh,
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on music. Was playing my oldestdaughter, Dusty staying at the house and
Rusty Rusty the Dry Creek Dog forthe Dothan audience. If you want to
meet Rusty, come up to therange one. I'm there and you'll meet
the little uh pit bull mix excuseme, the mix whatever bull dogs,
the dog, the brown dog andnot a pretty bird dog. But Rusty
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is the knucklehead and h He disappearedthis morning on my way over to do
the show, and I said,you know what. I looked at Lily
and I said, uh, it'sjust me and you today, gret Well
and my daughter who's got a disappointment. So we skipped on over here,
and Dusty just said, a rustyjust showed up at the house, reeking
of death and I've got to goto Tallahassee. So leaving him outside,
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he didn't found something the wall.He rolled around of something. You the
solution is easy. You just grabhim by the collar and throw him in
the pool. And then because hecan't hardly swim, he just flat.
He looks like a drowning. Imean, his feet are going all off
to the sides, and he doesn'tknow where the steps are, and you
just let him, just let himflounder around in there for a few minutes,
and then you holler over. Yougo to the steps and holler for
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him, and he slowly turns andhe got this wild eyed look on his
face, like I'm gonna die.It's swim for swim anyhow. So you
want to you wanted to Joel's herewith us from glock. Uh you mentioned
something I heard optics ode of yourmouth. Yeah, it's pretty obvious now
that the lot he loved. Themanufacturers, including Glock, are moving toward
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the guns that are optic ready,and we call that our MOS module Optics
system. And up to this pointwe've had when you buy m S pistol,
like to say a seventeen or anineteen or whatever MS pistol, the
gun comes with the cutouts for theoptic, but there's a plate on it
and in the box or in theglock pistol. We provide four different plates
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that cover most of the manufacturers becausethey're kind of like bolt patterns. For
Ford and Chevy. They don't wantto mount their optic the same way somebody
else does, you know, soyou've got different mount ups with the different
optics. And so it's been playingpretty good so far, and especially law
enforcement, they've been really moving towardit because it does improve your It makes
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you a better shooter because you don'ttake your eye off of the target anymore.
You just superimpose the dot over it. Get a little training, and
that's that's what makes you faster andbetter. You can see that in the
competitions where the carry optic shooters aremoving to the top of the class,
but getting back to the optic readywhere you're now doing. For law enforcement,
we've come into an agreement with somemanufacturers of the optics to provide a
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package. So give you an example. Department says, we want it.
We know we want this optic,we want and we want it cowitness with
cowitness sites where we will direct cuttingthat gun for that optic. Sits lower,
there's less chance of failure because youdon't have somebody putting screws in at
the at the office somewhere. Itcomes from the factory ready to shoot.
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And it's also cheaper because we havea deal with the optic companies that we
buy them cheaper and can provide themto the customer cheaper than you could put
it together yourself. It's a winwin for law enforcement. The downside to
it is is you know, tenyears from now or five years from now,
you want a faster pony, differentoptic, You're gonna probably have to
find a plate that will that willconvert that. But I think what you're
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gonna find is with the major manufactorsthat we use that when that faster pony
comes out, it'll be them.Want of miss Trigicon, We've got an
agreement with them for the s Rand the r MR direct Mount that package.
We also have this is the Gforty five. That's what we're doing
them on right now primarily, andI'll talk about the seventeen MS conversion to
the forty seven momentarily, but we'realso doing the Holisun five h eight five
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oh ninety because there's a lot ofpreference with that right now. That's an
up and coming company, a bigtime and we partnered with them. We
also partnered with aim Point with anAcrop two. We direct them out that
and we also do Louis Pulled DuppaPoint Pro, but I haven't had as
much play with that as the otherones. We're hitting really heavy with the
other ones. So it gives youand I'm every single day, I've gotten
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two texts since I've been sitting here, departments wanting to look at those,
and so I traveled down with thepackages, show it to them and let
them shoot it. And it's awin win for them. Now what we're
doing with the forty seven MS.That was the custom Border Patrol gun.
When when we first they first askedfor certain things with the gun and people
are not clear about the difference inthe forty seven and then seventeen, and
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I'll tell you what that is rightnow. The forty seven, they wanted
to be able to take the frontto slide off of their seven team for
lack of a better term, andto put him a nineteen slide on it
and make basically a G forty five, which we know is the seventeen style
sized frame with the nineteen size justlike the nineteen xs. But what happens
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is is those frames are different becauseto house that shorter slide you have to
have a different frame reel. Sothe forty seven has the same frame exact
frame as the G forty five.Now when you look at the forty seven,
you'll notice the front shroud out front, because we had to make that
shroud like you see on the thirtyfour to be able to house the spring
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that you can take off and stilluse the same spring for both pistols.
So we don't know why they wantedthat. I don't have a clue.
They didn't tell me, but theywanted to be able to take off the
slide and put a nineteen slide andhave a G forty five, And that's
what you have with that. Thedifferences is a little bit of dynamic difference
because of the front shroud. Dependingon your duty holster for law enforcement,
some of them may not fit.You have to make sure that you clear
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that with the holster company. SeeI'll learned something today because I did not
know that I could take my blockforty five and put the slide on the
forty seven. Yes, and youtake take take a regular G nineteen out
of the box, put the slideon your forty seven. Now you have
a G forty five or lack ofa better term, nineteen nine. That's
where it started. Well cool,you mentioned optics. I got into conversation
with somebody the other day up atthe Dothan Range that was talking about going
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to an optic on their glock,and that's very common to do. Really,
I have a hard time as acareer shooter, you know, swaite
guy with a lot of rounds downrange instructor, I still have a hard
time finding a red dot on anoptic because I want to go straight to
the see that a lot right straight. I'm a front sight guy, front
side, front side, front sight, What transition period? How many realms?
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What I mean? I noticed somestandardized curriculum out there that they're going
to an agency or a law enforcementofficer or a group. Somebody was going
to that. Not a competitive shooter, but somebody was going to carry a
gun for a living like an age, you know, A small agency says
I'm gonna put yes, you cancarry these optics. What kind of transition
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times should they be looking at?Well, the whole thing, Charlie,
comes down to training, And I'llgive an example. I my department,
Clay County, transitioned over to theG forty five with the s RO.
Great set up. A matter offact, that's the set up by using
competition plus the trigger that we putin. We discussed. But that transition
class was two days. I didan instructor class with them on my own
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because I'm an instructor still and it'smy department. So I took off and
I went over there and I didthat for them for two days. By
the end of the second day,now there were probably three quarters of the
guys that were in that class thatnever shot an optic and they were shooting.
But at the end of the daythey were drawing and shooting clay pigeons
at forty and fifty yards. Bigdifference changer, the biggest thing is is
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you have to be able to havesomebody to show you some corners to cut
to be able to pick the dotup. And as you start in that
dot up and your grip gets yourdraw in your presentation, get to that
point, well then it becomes habit. And they say, what two hundred
and fifty repetitions for a habit?I can show you some tips that you
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can use on the range today andpick that dot up. I was the
same way. And I'll tell youthe odd thing about it, Charlie,
is the demographics that we're seeing thatlikes the dot the best is exactly opposite
of what it used to be.The old guys in the departments used to
be the hard liners, just likeyou're talking about. They don't want to
come into the news to me,and so the dot takes all of that
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out because you still look at yourtarget. I don't care what glasses or
what optics you have on your head, or what your eyes are like.
If you can see the target thatyou've adjusted whatever at the doctor's office,
well, the dot just sit.I tell people it's kind of like a
bug hitting your windshield when you're onthe highway. Well, I'm not looking
at the bug. I'm still lookingat the back of that truck in front
of me, but I can seethe bug right. That's how the dot
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lines up. And there's just somesmall things. I'll give you one little
tip for your listeners. If youdecide to get a dot, there's one
thing that will absolutely force you tosee the optic the right way, which
means looking at the target, notthe dot, and that is take a
little piece of blue painter's tape.Put it over the front of the optic.
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Because the emitter comes up from theback. So if you close your
eye like you would a lot ofpeople do, and you try to see
the dot as you would, youall you're seeing blue tape, you have
to open both eyes. It forcesyou to be able to look at the
sighting the way it was designed.I found when we were doing some stuff
like that with night vision back inthe day, we would put PBS fourteen
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over one eye. We will belooking at a red dot or a green
dot something out of the other eye. It's a great it's absolutely doable in
close quarters. But if you goout of ways and you're trying to shoot
accurately, there's a little bit ofa parallax this year there we started shooting
off to one side or the other, doing it at longer ranges. But
for CQUB type destiness size matters alot, you know, when you get
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you know, there's some of themgot six and seven and eight MA.
You know, I recommend the twotwo and a half MA. That's really
a good for combat shooters and alsoself defense. That's my favorite setup that
I've seen lately is the is theforty seven with the Hall of sun SCS.
That's just greade optic, you know. And and we're working on a
package for that too, by theway, we haven't got yet. It's
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one of the first DOT guns I'vebeen able to pick up because it does
co witness with the factory size.Everything's in the right place. I can
bring that gun up and it's there. That's what I'm gonna go through.
My only concern, great choice.I carry a forty eight every day,
and then I'm gonna carry a nineteenor forty five. You know, when
I'm carrying for work. I gotto put a DOT on everything. If
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I'm gonna carry a DOT, Ijust feel like I have a surprise.
I transition back and forth it's actuallyonce you're learning it is pretty easy.
Man. Appreciate you being on theshow and Joya, thanks for having me
out. Guys, I appreciate allthings Block
And welcome to the town outdoor show. I'm Charlie Grants over there with out
a microphone because we have a guestin the studio today and we're not in
our new studio, so we've onlygot three microphones and four people. Um.
The President apparently doesn't like to havea lot of people in his studio
because he's he's like, I keepit artificially limited to I can have two
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people in here with me, andthat's all I want. Um, I
gotta, I gotta ask a question. Grant. Ye, there's Preston plan
on doing some really long shows goingforward or something. Because I'm looking across
the studio and he has a newbox of crackers over there, and I
don't mean like you know, youknow southern white folks I'm talking about.
I'm told me he got some richcrackers and some Lance crackers and some I
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don't see, no toast cheese overHe's stepping it up. He heard we
were building our own studio out oftalent, and he's he's stepping it up
now. I mean, we we'renever gonna match this, but he's now
he's providing food and refreshments, notjust refreshments we're gonna be providing refreshments,
but after hours refreshments. I don'texpect to see any cores or anything in
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Freshman's refrigerator over here. Certainly notany bloodlight anyway. All right, So
this is our second show in Dothan, UM. So if you've tuned back
in the second week, you obviouslydon't know any better. And if you
tuned in for us first time,somebody obviously didn't tell you what was going
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on today. But once again asa reminder, UM, the third hour
of Gary Sullivan has been uh done, Rundolf, Well he's he's he got
two hours. He gets some moreto marrow on one h three nine,
UM News talk here in the WideGrass area and for the Tallahassee market,
y'all are going just hush and getonto the good stuff and we will at
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the just a reminder how the showgoes. For the doph And folks.
We've got four segments and you folksand Dothan are gonna have one more for
about five minutes at the bottom ofthe hour. And still looking for sponsors
in the Dophan area. I thinkwe may have picked up a couple,
which is good. I won't takelong, so hurry up and get all
your spots. We got plenty ofthem to go around. But I promise
you it's gonna get real popular,real fast. And it may be just
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people laughing at the stupid stuff wedo, or it may be because we
have some information. Today is goingto be interesting because we actually I don't
know how you pulled it off,Jady. Well, I have to feed
Joel later, Oh lunch, sofor a little bit of food, you
know, a little bit of promisesand barbecue or something. Well, well,
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I've never Okay, So we haveJoel Hodges in the studio today and
Joel is the regional law enforcement upfor Glock. And there's more to the
title than that. But before Ilet him introduce hisself and start talking,
because Joel has been known to toto spin a tale of truth truth tale.
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But he will talk for a littlebit because there's a lot of information
going on. But Joel was justone of those guys that we met.
I don't know a long time ago. I know exactly when Joel and I
met for the first time. Whatwas that. It was in the mid
nineties. He was at Clay County, the Clay County Sheriff's Office and I
was at FSU Police Department and wemet in Miami at the Metro Dade's Officers
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Revival Instructor School. And uh,we were one of one of two rednecks.
He and I were the two thetwo North Florida rednecks in the class.
I think it was one of theone of the fellow from maybe from
Clay County, but we were wewere the two rednecks in the class.
So normally, you know, naturallywe kind of migrated each other. And
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uh, and I thought they werethe coolest things on the planet. Was
I was shooting a nine millimeter clockseventeen at the time, and they were
running, uh, ported barrel glockmodel twenty ten millimeters pistols. That was
their duty. No, no,this was different school. So we get
out there to the night shoot andI steal play off. Yeah, we
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got out there to the night shootand I got with him and another the
other guy was on either side ofme at the night shoot and they started
to shoot Dragon's breath like no,it like two like you're standing there between
two top fuel dragsters with these youknow, with the fire coming up the
top of the top of the gunman. Something rung with Joe gun it's
blowing fire out the top and sowe had a good time. So Joel's
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been law enforcement, he's you knowdone. He's a glock rep, which
is, you know, while wespend as much time with him as we
do. He's run competitions at ourfacility, competitive shooter. Um, you
also repped down in the in theyou said the Caribbean, I say to
Caribbean, I don't know if that'sclosed any time if you want to anyways,
So why don't you roll into itbecause we're gonna what y'all understand about
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Joel. Joel is one of themost down to earth cool guys you're ever
gonna hang out with. He's builtlike a bodybuilder, and he's got like,
you know, belted machine gun bulletsaround one wrist and was tattooed.
He but he is He's a baddude, I mean, and an awesome
guy. And I think by theend of the show, you're gonna have
a stronger grass for the type ofpeople glocks fielding out there to take care
(05:23):
of us. So anyway, sowhat is your official title again, I'm
the district manager for law Enforcement salesfor all Florida and the Caribbean, which
is Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands primarily, but I'm also the commercial manager commercial
sales manager in the Caribbean, becauseI guess they don't want to send two
people down there to have a goodtime, you know, just just one
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of us. Let's work, Joel, it's not supposed to be a good
time. Well, you know,you would kind of think that, but
it's not all. I see thebeach when I fly in or fly out,
and that's about it. Working abooth somewhere or hanging out in boardrooms
and talking to people in sealing,right, Like, you don't have a
good time anyhow. So how longhave you been with Glock? Actually I
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just turned fourteen years with Gluck.We came on to Glock originally as a
trainer. Was recruited down out ofthe last shot show they had in Florida
was in two thousand and nine,and I was down there and run across
the guy that I had trained beforethat was the regional manager and who was
not worth Glock anymore. But hekept talking to me about because I was
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actively training after I retired overseas locallyand it was my background, like you
guys, that's what we did.And he hooked me up with Glock and
they recruited me and I actually hadthe Upper Midwest. I actually moved into
an apartment up in Kentucky for almostfour years, taught the armor classes,
the instruct the workshop classes and thosethings. And then about four years in
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I wanted to come home. Iwas going to go back to contract work
because I was doing really well wellthat I could have named my own contracts.
And you know, they said,well, look we're gonna split Florida
off as a district off of Georgia, Alabama, when you only person actually
still lives in Florida, And sothey offered that job to me, and
here I am been there ever since. Cool. Yeah, that's a two
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thousand and nine. That was thelast year j D and I went to
that was we went to that shot. Yeah, we were at that show
absolutely only about twelve people there.I'm surprised we didn't bump into you because
you know, it was a smallevent there people. Yeah. We uh
yeah, um the yeah. Wealways like going to the glock booth and
go into the glock show. Whenwe're at Shot. We just hadn't been
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the Glock Party. Yeah, theGlock Party. I'm sorry they it's been
a big event. It's fun.We just hadn't been that. We hadn't
been a Shot show in a coupleof years because when things started going downhill
with the pandemic and all that,and then we gave up our booth,
we just weren't getting you know,we're not Glock, so we were not
getting the real visitation or the businessside of that. We decided just to
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roll back into what ain't gonna weara mask for five days? When I
hadn't want to mask the whole timefor the most part. Here I was
saying, I couldn't give us ananswer, So we're gonna have to wear
a mask at that show. Well, we're still trying now and there mind
because we've cut a lot of ourstaff back from Shot show as since the
COVID thing hit, and fortunately,and I don't want to sound like this,
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but I've been enough years that I'mtelling them, Look, you got
some of the newer guys that reallywant to go. I'll go if you
want me to. If you don'twant me to, I'm good to stay
home. That's kind of a littlebit of seniority there. Yeah, well
and we're we we have a goodtime because there's a sushi place we like
to go to, all you caneat sushi. I miss that. That's
what I miss about the show.Yeah, is that and then going you
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know, going around and seeing newstuff. But here's the thing is,
we've gotten to where, at thispoint in our careers, we don't really
need to go to the shot show. We go to a couple of trade
shows here and there, distributor showsor whatever. But if there's something new
and cool, you're gonna tell usabout it. Yeah, well we're gonna
see, you're gonna gonna bring it, show it to us. And we've
gotten to the point where now manufacturersshow up at our store and go,
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hey, we want to sell youthis, and what do you think about
that? And here we when weleave a sample of that. Why do
we want to roll into Vegas?I mean, can we've been a time
or two? Yeah? You keepup with numbers or do you think a
dozen times? Probably close to i'dsay ten. Yeah, your support for
us is glocking me personally. It'snot a secret that we're friends, but
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as well as you know professional um, compadres that you know, whenever something's
coming out, I'm always running bya showing you and yeah, yeah,
well I suspect there's at least oneblock in the room. At least you're
well protected. Oh no, Idon't know that we're so I don't know
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zero five two five two and we'reback um again. If you just tuned
in, we have our our goodfriend Joel Hodges, the district manager regional
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manager for district District, district manwhatever. He's the glock guy and Caribbean
Glock guy. Yeah, yeah,boy, I tell you what. Robin
never said that before this show anyhow. Um so, uh yeah, I
forgot what we were talking about.Y'all had this whole conversation on the break,
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and then Grant and I started havinganother conversation right in the middle of
y'all's conversation, and so I haveno idea where we left cross Fire.
Well we were, we were kindof giving a but anyway, we were
talking about business. You'll talk aboutbaseball, talk about the Shot Show and
all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Joel m is all knowing everything Glock,
and he is also a history buffof the company. For the most
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part, he can tell you howGlock came to be because Glock is one
of the youngest, if you will, firearms manufacturers of any size and consequence.
They're a very young, very youngcompany compared to Colton Smith and Weston
Area and uh some of these othercompanies that have been out so in nine
minutes or less. See what youcan impart was what wisdom you can impart?
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Well, one of the things Iwant to want to say is that
when he did what he did,mister Glock, he revolutionized handguns. Again,
if you look it through history,you see the Stoner designed they are
and Browning, you know, thenineteen eleven, and then Glock, well
it sits the bar. So whathappened was mister Glock was already a major
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player in manufacturing of polymers and medalsand think like that overseas. So he
didn't just come in to start doingthis. He was all kind of things.
He did anything metal appliants, frames, and there's many other things that
I don't even know about that hemanufactured. And he was already well end
of all of that. And hehad a meeting I believe it was like
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the State Department what we would callthe State Department, and he was sitting
outside waiting for the meeting when heoverheard two generals talking about their dislike for
the search for a new handgun.You know, at the time, the
only thing really available was the Peighty five or the P thirty eight or
and some other things they were lookingat, but they weren't happy with that.
So he walks down the hallway andgets into the conversation with him and
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ask him how long before they hadto have a prototype. I think it
was three or six months, andhe said I can do that, and
they said I don't. You know, I think they probably doubted him,
and his first prototype worked. Butthe good thing I think that caused it
was that mister Glock, as faras knowledge of handguns was, he was
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not a gun guy. You know, he was a draftsman, engineer.
He's a brilliant man. And I'mnot saying that because I worked for him,
but he's absolutely brilliant and he's anefficiency expert. If you ever got
a chance to tour the factory,you would see that because a lot of
the things that we have that buildsour guns he designed and built. So
it's proprietary designs on the things thatmanufacture our handgun and it's it's an absolutely
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work of art. So is that? Why? Is that why when you
go to Samyrna and you get thetour of the factory, they don't let
you go down that wing of youlook, you can peek down there and
you see some machines running. Butyou know, yeah, and you understand
too that you know, we're we'relike everybody else. You know, there's
things we want to not put outyet, you know, or let you
know that we're working on or whatever. And there are certain times when people
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can get a tour. It's notsomething that we routinely do. It has
to be something set up. We'lldo it with like police chiefs and people
like that to come in, youknow, or somebody, and then they'll
be escorted around by one of thepowers that be and walked in the right
places. And certain times nobody cango back there, even us, because
that they're shutting down working on somethingspecifically that has to be in the manufactured
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area there. So yeah, it'sit comes and goes, but it's all
for a reason. But every nowand then we get a clue that there's
a new glock coming out, andit's because they'll come out with you know,
like a glock forty eight and wewait a minute, will just hold
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on, It might be a littlebit and it's coming out. Yeah,
you guys pay more attention than most, I'll give you that. But so
he built the gun and it wasa p eighty was what the name of
the pistol was, and the Lustianarmy adopted it. He also made the
bayonet for him. He'd been makingthat before, and so some of his
people got with him and said,look, you know, law enforcement market
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at the time, and you guyswere in it like I was. We
were transitioning, trying to transition fromrevolver over to semi automatic weapons. And
then when the glock came in,you know, it wasn't kind of an
answer to what he had. Hehad a big niche in the market,
that was a need that he filled, and he filled it entirely. So
they came over and started marketing.I remember the first time I saw it
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was in Jacksonville when Carl Walters wasone of his good friends and kind of
a helped him pioneer sales over hereto what I understand, and I was
on the range in Jacksonville. WheneverCarl Walters pulls up, you know,
rented car. He didn't say aword to us. He gets out,
combs his hair, walks around tothe back of the car and he pulls
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the string and it was tied tothe bumper and in the back of it
was his glock flying up and downthe road and he picks the gun up.
He picks the gun up, putsa magazine and he never says the
word does He walks at the berm. He emptied the magazine seventeen rounds and
he looked at us and he said, my name is Carl Walters. This
is a glock handgun. And Iwent, well, I can tell you
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right now what I got on myside won't do that. So there was
kind of the beginning for me andus when that was back in the early
days. Yeah, the glocks wentthrough the extense, to tell you when
the first one I ever saw waswhen I went to FSU Police to go
to work. I had gone throughthe academy, didn't know what one was,
eighty nine ninety, and then rolledinto the FSUPD and they gave me
a model nineteen revolver, you know, because because that's what i'd gone through
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the academy with and uh, andit took me out to the and had
had the old uh stackable boxes withthe holes through the trigger guard and all
that, and that was yeah,old Tupperware, old Tupperware boxes if you
will, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember I remember going through
the first Bill Rogers shooting school Iever went through with a glock, and
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yeah, okay, outshot everything elseon the range, including the nineteen eleven
because they kept my function. Imean, not that they're prone to or
anything. But you know, youknow what I'm saying, It happens.
It happens now. I remember,I remember the guys from the Sheriff's Office
White team that I then ended upbeing on and being the team leader one
day and training coordinator for the teamcarrying nineteen elevens until we went to glocks
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eventually. I remember being in thatfirst Roger's course and the guys caring nineteen
elevens. We were drawing and firingfrom retention holsters and getting hits on the
head places in the Roger school.And I watched one of the guys from
the Shaite team caring in nineteen elevenshot in the ground three times between his
toe and the target because he couldn'tget the gun out fast enough and was
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coming off. He was trying toget on the trigger and get the safe
and it just was hard. Andthen you were shooting the forty five instead
of a nine, and I compoundedit, and so you know, as
far as speed and accuracy, Imean, it's it's I mean, and
everybody's I don't know as anybody evertried to copy a glock design, Joel.
Yeah, we've had several different onesin the past. Going any name
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like anything pretty much anything polymer,pretty much anything. Well, you know,
I tell you, I tell yousomething else that's interesting about poorly about
there talking about the polymer. Well, people looking those gun cases now and
they see a lot of guns thatare look alike and you can really go,
well, what is that one?And then and they all striker fired
polymer or plastic or nylon, sometype of a an artificial frame. And
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they don't realize that that's proprietary.And I'll give you an example. UM
I have one of our distributors tookone of our competitors UM frame gun it
wasn't metal, and took it andstruck it with a plastic mallet shattered just
like brittle, uh, peanut brittleor whatever. Conversely speaking, Uh,
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there was an incident and they don'tmind me talking about it because we actually
did an article on it. Wasdown in Pascal or Polk County. One
of the officers down there gotten involvedin a point blank shooting with a guy
that they had a warrant for andor for another guy. But they found
this guy on the road, pattedhim down along In the short of it,
he got in a point blank shootingarm's length apart, and one of
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the rounds the officer took went betweenhis fingers and cleaned out the meat between
his fingers and the frame of theglock pistol caught that bullet. I've got
pictures of it where it just didn'tbreak it, it didn't go through it,
it caught it. It looked likeyou you melted it into the frame.
Well, both of them went down, suspecting officer and went down.
Officer picked the weapon up with hisgood hand and finished off the bad guy
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and saved his life. And I'vegot pictures of that. I've got pictures
of several of them, like becauseyou know what, I know, when
you're closed shooting, you're looking atthe gun, and that's kind of why
they hit the hands and the gunsa lot of times. And I've got
several photographs of the exact same thingwhere the bullet was caught by the frame.
Nobody else can claim that. Nobodyelse can do that. It's a
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proprietary formula. And when I tellpeople the frame is built with harmonic flex,
is designed to flex a certain way. There's so much engineering that when
you think about this, you gotroughly thirty four parts in the gun and
it shoots that flawless. Nobody elsecan. That's the genius of the pistol
is to be able to do whathe did with so few parts, and
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that's the brilliance of it. Ilove the Armor of schools for Glock because
I've been through the model oh cultarmor of school back in the day,
and they teach you how to usefiles, you know, and abrasives to
actually make things fit the gun man. There's a real art to being a
cult mechanic. I mean there is. I mean you want to run a
nineteen eleven and work on them,there's an art to it. Yeah.
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Um, you know, you showup to the Glock Armor of School and
you get a little pin pusher,you know, might get a hockey puck
or something there to play. Iforget what, Hannah, I remember.
I got that maybe a tray forthe parts, the little er, a
little rubber tray, a pin pusher, pusher, and then then there's something
there's one thing the little orange replaceplay covered play engagement right and uh and
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maybe a front sight tool maybe nowthat they've gotten away from the stake front
side. The hockey park I gotwas from H and K. When I
went through their thing, because youhad to, you had to actually get
a hammer and a drive some stuffout, and that was but uh yeah,
yeah, but Dormer classes. It'sit's a great class because it actually
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teaches you not just how to replacethe parts, but it teaches you the
cycle of operation, which I thinkis essential to be able to work on
the gun itself. So you peoplego, can you do a trigger job
on my block? I said,I will order. I can order you
a trigger and then give me fiveminutes and we'll talk about that new trigger
here shortly too. Yeah, intothe next segment, and I hear the
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music play sounding like a radio professionalhave any headphones? Has no idea what
I was watching? Your hand signals? Okay, I think that those hand
signals definitely different, completely different handsignal. That's true. That we're just
we're transitioning to the break. That'swhy I was giving him a hard time
about it. Anyway, there usedto be something we used on the shooting
line, you know, you know, displays transit. Now it's like no,
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you probably just listen to five minutesof us talking about something else.
But we're back to our regularly scheduledprogramming. So Glock has since we got
Joel in the studio talking about Glockstuff, all things Glock. Glocks come
out with a couple of new modelsvery recently, the forty seven being the
flagship. Now they're they're no longerproducing the seventeen MS and now it's now
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kind of a fwell it's the fortyseven. They changed the name of the
seventeen MOS, made some improvements toit, and released the forty seven.
But also had a new gun thatwas to show up here recently, which
was basically a twenty six little smallsubcompact double stack in three eighty, which
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has been around for a long time. What's the modeling of twenty five?
Yeah, is smaller in twenty eighththe nineteenth size right, the twenty five
and the twenty eight. They werereserved for South America overseas for countries that
did not allow civilians to own afirearm chambered in a military caliber. That
was my understanding. They've been arounda long time, around a long time,
but you can tell about the number, you know, they could not
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match the import points to be ableto get into the country. So real
quick about Glock model numbers. Theseventeen was the first one that they released
in the US. Had nothing todo with it holding seventeen rounds. Yeah,
that was a miss number. Yeah, everybody thought they called it a
Glock seventeen because the magazine was seventeenround pasty. It was my understanding that
it was the seventeenth pattern that misterGlock received. That's what we understand as
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well, that it was his patent, the number of his patents. But
since then everything's been chronological. Nowyou'll see that as he spoke, Charlie
spoke earlier that you'll we saw theforty eight before you saw the forty seven.
Well, not that it wasn't thatwe jumped one. It's just that
sometimes when they come out with one, and it's happened a couple of times,
like the Model forty, that whenyou get to a certain number,
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you're you you've assigned a number tothat model number to it. But it
took a little bit more tweaking intheir own mind to be able to get
it out, and the other onecoming behind it just happened to get out
before it did. But it's stillsequential as far as the design and then
sneering of the pistols pretty pretty straightup with it. There's a lot of
comments out there, people go,you know, but the model numbers being
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so close to caliber numbers, it'sconfusing to come out with a block forty
four, but that's in twenty two. It's twice to twenty two. Makesure
to forty four, You don't yougotta understand forty five nine millimeter and then
the yeah, the forties of tenand the forties, the forties of ten,
the forty five is a nine andthe forty four is of twenty two.
Yeah, yeah, perfectly confueling,yes, absolutely, but yeah,
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exactly right. Yeah, but it'sall sequential, you know, once you
understand the numbering system, you know, and it really is helpful historically if
you're talking about like I'll give youexample, and most people don't realize that.
And this is some things I bringup in the armor class that the
twenty twenty one and twenty two,which was the ten millimeter forty five and
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forty original once the full size oneswe would call it, came out within
the same year, but the twentycame first, and so when the twenty
came out ten millimeter, it wasthe first gun that had a locking block
pin. Now if you can see, now, what have we done taking
them away and that away because wesee that the engineering is is improved into
that aspect and we don't need itfor strength of the locking block because locking
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blocks have changed over the years aswell. Yeah. Anyway, so I
got in the weeds. There wassome work, didn't we That's all right,
there's there's some there's some there's someguys are going I always wondered about
that and then there's everybody else inoh still now. But it's a but.
I mean I I just remember thedifferent generations of them have come along,
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you know, the different grip textures, and every time there's a new
Okay, well this is this diamondshape, this is this, this is
this, and now people are grindingall that off and doing their own engraving
and adding stuff to them. Backthen, it was like, well,
glocks can't be you know, can'tbe can't be customized. And then and
then redneck America goes, yeah,there is. I think probably more glocks
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have been customized and rebuilt and redesignedand in their own personal and people want
to personalize their stuff. I seeall kinds of things out there. We
indep down. None of that reallyaffects functioning of the pistol until you start
getting inside of it. Yeah,I mean, well, if all right,
So, knowing what you know,are there things that you would not
do to a glock? One ofthe things that caution people about and again
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I'm real funny about telling you whatto do with your gun, because if
you're buying my glock, I'm onthat page. However, there are some
things that I want you to becareful with. One of them is how
much metal you cut off the slide. Where that slide is designed and those
springs and their recoil springs are designedwith really stringent specifications and slide speeds.
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As a give you an example,when we first put out the Model forty
at Shot Show, we pulled itback and then we put it then we
put it out because we weren't happywith slide speed. So those kind of
things are very very important. Youcut a lot of weight off that slide,
and what are you doing. You'respeeding your slide up if you're doing
that, And I'll tell you thatI will step on some toes when I
talk about cutting those slides. Ifyou do that, I won't tell you
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not to. I'd tell you towatch your slide speeds and change those recoils.
Spring assemblies out a lot more oftenbecause you and I both know that
when you when you lighting that slideand your slide gets faster, you have
to be careful and that it doesn'toutrun the round coming up out of the
magazine, and I have seen problemswith that. So you need to be
careful of that and keep a goodstrong newer recoil spring in which we now
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recommend numb more than five thousand rounds. No, I've got some of my
own that's got the many more thanthat, but that would be a good
rule of thumb to go by ifyou do that. One of the biggest
complaints that we hear in a gunstore is people that especially competition shooters,
that don't like the five and ahalf pound factory trigger pool, so they
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want to go buy an aftermarket triggerpool and then or aftermarket trigger said or
whatever, and it a lot oftimes those will cause problems as well because
they're not the same tolerances that theblock parts are. So Glock finally answered
customer demand here very rich he did, and we've got a bunch of them.
We actually have a bunch of themin stock right now. It's probably
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one of the few places you canfind them in stock somewhere because they are
fast movers. But Glock finally cameout with a competition trigger. Yep.
Well you think about this. Backin the early years, we were considered
a hair trigger, and to thepoint that we had to manufacture a tougher
trigger. When we came out withthe New York Spring eight and twelve pounds
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and then the plus connector because everybodywas scared of that hair trigger because we
weren't used to a light striker friedweapon. People were coming off of a
twelve pound trigger pull on absolutely.But now that's come full circle and people
are saying, well, you don'thave the best trigger. You know,
I've got this one. Well someof those guns or single actions and those
kind of things. So Glock went, Okay, well i'll give you a
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lighter trigger, and that's what theydid when they came out with the performance
trigger, and I think they dida really good job with that. Now
I don't when I get something,I wear it out. I've got my
own range and I do training onmy own, and I mean on the
range somewhere all the time, andI have got about three thousand rounds through
mine right now and I've got nocomplaints about it whatsoever. I even shot
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with our shooter, Shane Coley,up at a range event we had here
recently, and that's what he's running. So if Shane Coley, the professional
glock shooter, runs with it,then because he can have his choice,
then it's good enough for me.But it will surprise you how really nice.
It makes that trigger. It's aquick, straight drop off, and
of course it's you know, arguablyfour to four and a half pounds.
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Yeah, and a lot of alot of the things we see when people
try to lighten the glock trigger pulleddown the three pound three and a half
four pound range, they start takingtaking off springs and whittling on things,
and it just makes the gun eithernonfunctional or unsafe to a degree. That's
exactly right. When you start grindingoff, and one of the first things
you can tell you take the fireand pin, because the fire and pin
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has to be compressed. It's adouble action gun. And when you start
cutting off, you can see theloose ends of the spring when you take
it off, and you go andwell, it's about you know, a
quarter of an inch shorter than thereal one, and you're wondering why you're
getting light strikes. People don't understandunless you really know the gun. When
you start changing things, even puttingin aftermarket parts, some of the dynamics
that you can change with that gunthat you just don't know about. So
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a lot of I hear people fromtime to time call glock a single action
pistol. It's not a single actionpistol, you know it's not. It's
a double action pistol. It's strikerfired. It's striker fired. Yep.
And I think the misconception and whata single action pistol wants. The safety
is off, you pull the trigger. All the trigger is doing is releasing
the hammer or whatever the fire mechanismis and a glock. You're actually for
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a moment, the trigger, thetrigger is compressing the fire pin spring just
a little bit yep, and thenit let's go. You have a little
bit of tension on the firing pinchspring when it is at rest, because
that's what's required to reset the pistol. When your slide goes forward, your
firing pin touches the engagement with thetrigger bar, pushing the trigger bar forward,
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and it does allow a little bitof spring tension in it. But
you're not fully compressing that recourse orthe fire pin assembly until you pull the
trigger, and until you pull thetrigger to firing pin block blocking That safety's
not getting one in front and oneand back of the fire and beat it
with a hammer. It's not goingoff. Absolutely Well, we'll be uh,
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what do we call that safe action? Or something like yeah, we'll
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or a larger caliber hunting with optics. It's all up to you, your
color, your style. Come seeus in midway right off I ten or
call us at five nine seven seventyfive fifty. I just got a text
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on music. Was playing my oldestdaughter, Dusty staying at the house and
Rusty Rusty the Dry Creek Dog forthe Dothan audience. If you want to
meet Rusty, come up to therange one. I'm there and you'll meet
the little uh pit bull mix excuseme, the mix whatever bull dogs,
the dog, the brown dog andnot a pretty bird dog. But Rusty
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is the knucklehead and h He disappearedthis morning on my way over to do
the show, and I said,you know what. I looked at Lily
and I said, uh, it'sjust me and you today, gret Well
and my daughter who's got a disappointment. So we skipped on over here,
and Dusty just said, a rustyjust showed up at the house, reeking
of death and I've got to goto Tallahassee. So leaving him outside,
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he didn't found something the wall.He rolled around of something. You the
solution is easy. You just grabhim by the collar and throw him in
the pool. And then because hecan't hardly swim, he just flat.
He looks like a drowning. Imean, his feet are going all off
to the sides, and he doesn'tknow where the steps are, and you
just let him, just let himflounder around in there for a few minutes,
and then you holler over. Yougo to the steps and holler for
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him, and he slowly turns andhe got this wild eyed look on his
face, like I'm gonna die.It's swim for swim anyhow. So you
want to you wanted to Joel's herewith us from glock. Uh you mentioned
something I heard optics ode of yourmouth. Yeah, it's pretty obvious now
that the lot he loved. Themanufacturers, including Glock, are moving toward
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the guns that are optic ready,and we call that our MOS module Optics
system. And up to this pointwe've had when you buy m S pistol,
like to say a seventeen or anineteen or whatever MS pistol, the
gun comes with the cutouts for theoptic, but there's a plate on it
and in the box or in theglock pistol. We provide four different plates
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that cover most of the manufacturers becausethey're kind of like bolt patterns. For
Ford and Chevy. They don't wantto mount their optic the same way somebody
else does, you know, soyou've got different mount ups with the different
optics. And so it's been playingpretty good so far, and especially law
enforcement, they've been really moving towardit because it does improve your It makes
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you a better shooter because you don'ttake your eye off of the target anymore.
You just superimpose the dot over it. Get a little training, and
that's that's what makes you faster andbetter. You can see that in the
competitions where the carry optic shooters aremoving to the top of the class,
but getting back to the optic readywhere you're now doing. For law enforcement,
we've come into an agreement with somemanufacturers of the optics to provide a
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package. So give you an example. Department says, we want it.
We know we want this optic,we want and we want it cowitness with
cowitness sites where we will direct cuttingthat gun for that optic. Sits lower,
there's less chance of failure because youdon't have somebody putting screws in at
the at the office somewhere. Itcomes from the factory ready to shoot.
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And it's also cheaper because we havea deal with the optic companies that we
buy them cheaper and can provide themto the customer cheaper than you could put
it together yourself. It's a winwin for law enforcement. The downside to
it is is you know, tenyears from now or five years from now,
you want a faster pony, differentoptic, You're gonna probably have to
find a plate that will that willconvert that. But I think what you're
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gonna find is with the major manufactorsthat we use that when that faster pony
comes out, it'll be them.Want of miss Trigicon, We've got an
agreement with them for the s Rand the r MR direct Mount that package.
We also have this is the Gforty five. That's what we're doing
them on right now primarily, andI'll talk about the seventeen MS conversion to
the forty seven momentarily, but we'realso doing the Holisun five h eight five
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oh ninety because there's a lot ofpreference with that right now. That's an
up and coming company, a bigtime and we partnered with them. We
also partnered with aim Point with anAcrop two. We direct them out that
and we also do Louis Pulled DuppaPoint Pro, but I haven't had as
much play with that as the otherones. We're hitting really heavy with the
other ones. So it gives youand I'm every single day, I've gotten
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two texts since I've been sitting here, departments wanting to look at those,
and so I traveled down with thepackages, show it to them and let
them shoot it. And it's awin win for them. Now what we're
doing with the forty seven MS.That was the custom Border Patrol gun.
When when we first they first askedfor certain things with the gun and people
are not clear about the difference inthe forty seven and then seventeen, and
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I'll tell you what that is rightnow. The forty seven, they wanted
to be able to take the frontto slide off of their seven team for
lack of a better term, andto put him a nineteen slide on it
and make basically a G forty five, which we know is the seventeen style
sized frame with the nineteen size justlike the nineteen xs. But what happens
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is is those frames are different becauseto house that shorter slide you have to
have a different frame reel. Sothe forty seven has the same frame exact
frame as the G forty five.Now when you look at the forty seven,
you'll notice the front shroud out front, because we had to make that
shroud like you see on the thirtyfour to be able to house the spring
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that you can take off and stilluse the same spring for both pistols.
So we don't know why they wantedthat. I don't have a clue.
They didn't tell me, but theywanted to be able to take off the
slide and put a nineteen slide andhave a G forty five, And that's
what you have with that. Thedifferences is a little bit of dynamic difference
because of the front shroud. Dependingon your duty holster for law enforcement,
some of them may not fit.You have to make sure that you clear
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that with the holster company. SeeI'll learned something today because I did not
know that I could take my blockforty five and put the slide on the
forty seven. Yes, and youtake take take a regular G nineteen out
of the box, put the slideon your forty seven. Now you have
a G forty five or lack ofa better term, nineteen nine. That's
where it started. Well cool,you mentioned optics. I got into conversation
with somebody the other day up atthe Dothan Range that was talking about going
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to an optic on their glock,and that's very common to do. Really,
I have a hard time as acareer shooter, you know, swaite
guy with a lot of rounds downrange instructor, I still have a hard
time finding a red dot on anoptic because I want to go straight to
the see that a lot right straight. I'm a front sight guy, front
side, front side, front sight, What transition period? How many realms?
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What I mean? I noticed somestandardized curriculum out there that they're going
to an agency or a law enforcementofficer or a group. Somebody was going
to that. Not a competitive shooter, but somebody was going to carry a
gun for a living like an age, you know, A small agency says
I'm gonna put yes, you cancarry these optics. What kind of transition
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times should they be looking at?Well, the whole thing, Charlie,
comes down to training, And I'llgive an example. I my department,
Clay County, transitioned over to theG forty five with the s RO.
Great set up. A matter offact, that's the set up by using
competition plus the trigger that we putin. We discussed. But that transition
class was two days. I didan instructor class with them on my own
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because I'm an instructor still and it'smy department. So I took off and
I went over there and I didthat for them for two days. By
the end of the second day,now there were probably three quarters of the
guys that were in that class thatnever shot an optic and they were shooting.
But at the end of the daythey were drawing and shooting clay pigeons
at forty and fifty yards. Bigdifference changer, the biggest thing is is
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you have to be able to havesomebody to show you some corners to cut
to be able to pick the dotup. And as you start in that
dot up and your grip gets yourdraw in your presentation, get to that
point, well then it becomes habit. And they say, what two hundred
and fifty repetitions for a habit?I can show you some tips that you
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can use on the range today andpick that dot up. I was the
same way. And I'll tell youthe odd thing about it, Charlie,
is the demographics that we're seeing thatlikes the dot the best is exactly opposite
of what it used to be.The old guys in the departments used to
be the hard liners, just likeyou're talking about. They don't want to
come into the news to me,and so the dot takes all of that
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out because you still look at yourtarget. I don't care what glasses or
what optics you have on your head, or what your eyes are like.
If you can see the target thatyou've adjusted whatever at the doctor's office,
well, the dot just sit.I tell people it's kind of like a
bug hitting your windshield when you're onthe highway. Well, I'm not looking
at the bug. I'm still lookingat the back of that truck in front
of me, but I can seethe bug right. That's how the dot
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lines up. And there's just somesmall things. I'll give you one little
tip for your listeners. If youdecide to get a dot, there's one
thing that will absolutely force you tosee the optic the right way, which
means looking at the target, notthe dot, and that is take a
little piece of blue painter's tape.Put it over the front of the optic.
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Because the emitter comes up from theback. So if you close your
eye like you would a lot ofpeople do, and you try to see
the dot as you would, youall you're seeing blue tape, you have
to open both eyes. It forcesyou to be able to look at the
sighting the way it was designed.I found when we were doing some stuff
like that with night vision back inthe day, we would put PBS fourteen
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over one eye. We will belooking at a red dot or a green
dot something out of the other eye. It's a great it's absolutely doable in
close quarters. But if you goout of ways and you're trying to shoot
accurately, there's a little bit ofa parallax this year there we started shooting
off to one side or the other, doing it at longer ranges. But
for CQUB type destiness size matters alot, you know, when you get
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you know, there's some of themgot six and seven and eight MA.
You know, I recommend the twotwo and a half MA. That's really
a good for combat shooters and alsoself defense. That's my favorite setup that
I've seen lately is the is theforty seven with the Hall of sun SCS.
That's just greade optic, you know. And and we're working on a
package for that too, by theway, we haven't got yet. It's
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one of the first DOT guns I'vebeen able to pick up because it does
co witness with the factory size.Everything's in the right place. I can
bring that gun up and it's there. That's what I'm gonna go through.
My only concern, great choice.I carry a forty eight every day,
and then I'm gonna carry a nineteenor forty five. You know, when
I'm carrying for work. I gotto put a DOT on everything. If
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I'm gonna carry a DOT, Ijust feel like I have a surprise.
I transition back and forth it's actuallyonce you're learning it is pretty easy.
Man. Appreciate you being on theshow and Joya, thanks for having me
out. Guys, I appreciate allthings Block
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