May 27, 2023 • 46 mins
In today's episode, Charlie and J.D. reminisce about their days working as law enforcement officers and some of the scariest encounters they experienced. They also mentioned how this is likely the last episode before recording for the show officially begins in the new Talon Studios. Stay tuned for more exciting updates!
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And welcome to the Talent out theDoor show. I'm Charlie and I'm grand.
That was the microphone moving. Yeah, it just wasn't quiet where it
needed to be. A man,I've been riding around like I've been streaming
my my playlists. It's on.I'm on my Hank Williams Junior playlist,
kick all the ones that sound kindof like Hank Williams Junior. And it's
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been, Um, it's kind ofgoing old school, riding down the road,
listening to to a dinosaur and stufflike that. You know, it's
yeah, old school still, justlike the song says women, oh yeah,
all that good stuff. It's it'sand I remember when I was growing
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up listening when Hank Williams Junior wasin his heyday, um in the eighties.
I mean we were just and ofcourse that he's kind of timeless,
really, you know, it justonce. But I remember in the early
eighties in high school listening and thenI would find some of his stuff from
the eight seventies, you know,the older stuff. Are you singing a
lot of his daddy's old music?No, not that far back. I've
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listening to that too, But I'mtalking about just the album or two before
the ones that I was listening to, and I was like, oh,
well, it's like kind of likelistening is zz top. And then you
find out they had music before Sharpdress Man, you know, and you
go back a little go oh thisis good too, you know, and
it just it just it's there's atreasure choke trove, and now people listen
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to it, and they've got allof this wealth of stuff. You know,
back decades, literally tens of years, Jade, I know, were
decades had to do it. I'vehad to do it. There was some
moist decades back then. They say, you know, I try really hard
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to live a good life, totreat people and treat people right. And
I love how this all becomes existentialnow all of these things I try really
hard, and and and you getmoist decades, you know. I mean
that's what I get out a lot. So So I had a challenge question
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on something the other day. Iwas trying to sign into some secure government
website and it always ask you thesequestions, what's your what's your paternal grandmothers
made no paternal grandmother's maiden name,and I'm going, okay, paternal mutter,
which is the mom and daddy's momand them. Yeah, I'm trying
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to figure that crap out, andI finally just got out. Came back,
says, what's your best friend's name? I said, Okay, David,
Nope, John j d Oh.It took that one. So you
spell that you're on a government list. I'm where if I go down,
you're going down to. Oh that'sjust so, that's so comforting. Bring
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a lot of help, That's allI got to say. You have an
alias. I don't know what I'mgonna signing up for. Oh yeah,
I don't want to know who Iam. My name is John David.
Oh I would never do that.But anyhow, so we're what are we
gonna talk about? First? Wegot so many things we have discussed before
we started to discussing. Let's talkabout well, let's talk about in the
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news. Start with local. Ohyes, yeah, yeah, I saw
something on the local. Uh,the Dothan folks, we talk about local
Tallahassee news down here. I don'twant you to get confused because, uh,
well WCTV plays in Dothan, sothey probably probably seen it on the
news. Yeah, please used toI don't know anyhow Apparently somebody made a
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really bad decision sometime over the lasttwenty four or forty eight hours. Yeah,
somebody and some Thursday nights, somebodyreally really did not think that did
not think through what they some inaccurate, uh, nonpracticed shooter decided to try
to ambush a bunch of police officersand a deputy sheriff here in the capital
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city of Florida and walked up onthere. I read and it let's say,
what did what did? What did? Uh? Jason Larson say here
on the news was um, basicallythey had made some sort of narcotics arrests
and UM found a suspect at TomBrown Park, uh with some other folks,
and some young lady wandered off fromthe crowd and armed herself with some
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sort of rifle and came back andstarted shooting at the crowd of police.
And apparently she missed and they didnot, and they did not probably alone
because it was about the Probably therewas a crowd, there was a several
of them there. Well, ifthey said there were, I think that
they said they were like seven policeofficers and a deputy or something like that,
about eight cops and you got eightcops and you start shooting at them
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with a rifle, and I don'twant kind of rifle it was, but
I can only imagine what kind ofrifle it was in its day and age.
And they shot back, and Isuspect if there was eight of them
there, there was a lot morethan eight rounds shot because you start shooting,
you start shooting that some cops withouta rifle and get really Now things
can get really exciting in a bighurry, and nobody's counting how many times
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they pull them the trigger. AndI can see, I can see the
news, and it was a woman, and so I can see the news
now at least it's not Florida man. Yeah, that's true. Florida woman.
Florida woman. Florida woman scares meway more than Florida man. Days.
I'm just saying, yeah, I'mjust saying. I'm just saying,
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well, the most dangerous, themost dangerous hellas I'm scared of. I'm
scared a lot of women in mylife, the most all of them.
Easy. Now, I'm just sayingnow that that get mad and catch you
you asleep. Well, what scaresme about this is I saw the words
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ambush you know, and I meanand and being career cops like we are,
the number of times when we wentup and we focused on an initial
threat and then you know, somebodythat was basically innocuous some you know,
I can just imagine some we're focusingon resting some guy and there's another guy
there, and then there's a girland she just sort of wanders off and
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go. You know, you justkind of, oh, well, yeah,
for her to arm herself with arifle and come back. I don't
know what's going on. There's moreto the story. It'll come out eventually,
but I can tell you that's scaryto me because you know, I
in my opinion based on just aquick read of the press release and the
news report, knowing what I knowabout law enforcement, is uh, there
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those officers on scene are fortunate tobe alive. Oh just a hand to
God, no doubt, no doubt. Um, what was Let me ask
you this, that kind of thatkind of gives me a thought, kind
of had some chill bumps runn upmy back. What was the scary What
was your the scariest calls that youwent to, Not the scariest single call,
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the scariest type of call that youin your opinion, that you got
sent to as a as a deputyor as a cop. I tell you
I know what very easily what mineis. But go ahead with let me
see if I want to see ifthey're the same. UM. I mean,
domestic violences were always concerning to mebecause I never knew what. I
never knew who was gonna turn onme in the middle of the investigation.
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You know, I'm talking to oneall of a sudden, other one freaks
out. It was the to me, it was always the UM. I
think you know, traffic stops werethey were just a known risk. You
treat them all like their unknown risk. I would say, just responding to
an unknown something that somebody disturbance.You go into a house and something's happened,
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and you've got to go knock onthe door, and you have no
idea what's going on, and andthen you don't get any response and you
hear something moving around. That's thekind of stuff where now you're sitting there
making decision do I need to gointo this house so I need to check
on the welfare. There's just there'sjust so many things that can go wrong.
Yeah, you know, so herewas my biggest nightmare. My biggest
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fear is you get sent to adomestic violence, which that's a lot of
what we responded to, and especiallyin the rural setting that you and I
worked at the Sheriff's office. You'rejust setting whereas you're by yourself. Yeah,
and you get to the wherever you'regoing, and you may or may
not have information, but you yougenerally and you have some information about why
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you're going there. The true unknowndisturbances is rare. But you got there
wherever you were going, and thehouse was a hundred yards away, and
you've got a private driveway with agate. So you got two choices.
You get out of your car andyou open the gate and you drive up
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to the house, or you getout of the car and you go through
the gate on foot and you walkup to the house over one hundred yards
or so of ground, open ground. The biggest fear that I always had
lingering in there is I am sovulnerable either way. You're super vulnerable to
anybody that's mad at you inside thathouse with a single shot rifle with a
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scope on it, or a boltaction rifle with a scope on it.
I wouldn't worry about somebody jumping outof the bushes with a you know,
an AKA and shooting at me orwhatever it was. That whole one guy
that knew what he was doing witha deer rifle, you know. Oh,
I've had I remember one going tosomebody who was he was mentally ill
and I had to drive up thedriveway knowing he was armed with the rifle
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and they didn't know where he was, thought he was in the house.
And I was the first one wasturned into a two day swaite call out.
Yeah, took him the path,They let him go and go get
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You know, we're back back towhat we were talking about. Traffic
stops were never because of the nonrisk and domestics. If you know domestic
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violence calls, you're because of thehigh percentage of officer involved injuries and stuff
with and you know, bad thingshappening on those two specific calls. You're
always hyper alert. But it's thatwalking up on the house and man like
Grant was saying, that's when youstart making deals with the Lord. You
bet, that's when you start prayingup front, and then you don't then
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more importantly, don't forget to saythank you at the end when you walk
away from it, because it's justit's a it's a scary, scary thought.
Yeah, there were just you know, I think I try not to
think about it, but looking back, I mean, I can't count how
many times. I mean, someof the old crap moments were like you're
talking to somebody. Next thing,you know, you're patting them down,
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and you know, and they thenthey've got a gun. And he didn't
say he had a gun. Hedidn't tell me about he's a felon.
He wasn't gonna tell you about it. Then you find a gun or you
know, you're you're rolling around fightingsomebody and and then all of a sudden,
a nice where it comes out andwhere did that come from. I
remember rolling up on a domestic violenceover and when I was working in Jackson
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County back in ninety four ninety five, and some married couple arguing, and
she went she was going to takethe car and leave the house, and
he wouldn't want to take the car, and convinced him to let her take
the car. And then he reachedup under started snatching wires out from under
it because he wanted to kid.And it was dog days in August and
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he wasn't wearing anything but a pairof boxer shorts and nothing else. And
I grabbed him to pull him outof the car, and we went to
rolling around on the ground, andnext thing and then we fell back into
a rosebush and I had one ofthose uh ninety five forward draw Safari land
holsters on and I fell back intothe rosebushes and one of the stops broke
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the snap off opened it up,and next thing you know, he's saying,
I got your gun. And Ireached down to my ankle and pulled
my thirty eight and I screwed itin his ear, and I said,
just exactly what I said, Igot my other gun. I said let's
don't kill each other over this.Blankety blank bs and he goes, I'm
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fine, what out and his sunstanding there, whole families around me.
We're laying on the ground, andone of my captains comes up there in
the middle of it to help.He was the closest one and rolling around.
I think I kicked him in theshin and he rolled off in the
ditch and um was holding his legand then uh, Michael Daniel's my buddy,
uh from from school, who wasmy sergeant, comes up there and
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helps me, you know, andthat they the guy's son grabs my gun
from his dad, you know,and says, I've got your gun depth
And I said, if you shootme, I'm shooting him. I mean
literally, this is a conversation,you know. We're just sitting there and
I'm and I keyed up on theradio and I said, Jackson, I
need blah blah blah blah blah.And then if they kept calling back,
calling back, calling back, andI couldn't answer. And again the sheriff
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at the time, Johnny McDaniel,keyed up and says, Jackson, you
leave that man alone. He's inthe middle of a fight. Let him
fight. Just send him some helpnow. And next time I saw the
sheriff, I was like, thankyou, sheriff. I don't know what
you know. And I'm sitting therethinking, you know, thinking evil thoughts
about dispatcher bother. Now, mywife is a dispatch supervisor in that agency.
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Somebody be careful. Two years later. But that's the kind of stuff
that just you just don't happens twentyfive years and I was doing that.
I forget. That's working a doorat a big dance on FSU campus,
fifteen hundred, two thousand people ata big party at the ballroom. I
think I was there and vaguely listeningto the radio about the other stuff going
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on around the world. And theygot a call about an armed guy that
had pulled a gun on somebody atthe store, and this, that and
the other, and they went togiving out this this description of this guy.
I know, he's six foot fourand he's wearing wearing black pants and
a checkered shirt and datta datta,dutta dutt and a hair like this.
And and I'm looking and I'm fromme to you, grant well three feet
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away. He's standing right there infront of me. And I mean they
described him to a t standing threeyeah, okay out yeah, he wasn't
hearing it go out. I'm standingthree foot away from him, this guy
who had just assaulted somebody with afirearm three four blocks away, uh you
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know, a few minutes earlier,and face to face for this guy.
And he was about and I'm sixfoot three. He was about three or
four inches taller than me, andyoung and big and strong and and and
I'm going okay, and I justreal calment. I said, uh,
hey, man, you got agun on you. He looked at me,
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he goes oh. I said,well, where's it at. It's
in my waistband. All right,here's how we're gonna do that. Now.
Mind you, this is not theplace to have a shootout. There's
thousand people within twenty five yards ofyou know, fifty I mean crowd.
And I said, all right,you put your hands on top of your
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head, don't take him down,and I won't kill you where you stand.
And I said it to him justlike that, with just a strait
of sirius. And I was deadserious. I said, if you take
your hands off your head, I'mgonna kill you. Did this guy had
a breada ninety two nine millimeter pistolcocked safety off, stuck in his waistband.
She's getting ready to walk into adance with a thousand people in there,
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and man, you talk, thatwas all over. When that was
all over with, it was oneof those things where I was calm and
cool to it was all over with. And afterwards I was shaking like a
bird dog trying to pass a peachseed buddy I needed. I stopped on
the Saturday. I followed a carhome one night when I was living at
the flea market. I was followinga car home when I was in either
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burglary or robbery task for property crimesomething. I was a detective and a
and a grand marquis going home.When I was living, I was going
through my divorce and and living atthe flea market, and um, and
I'm driving home at night, comingback from a call, and I got
nothing on but in nineteen eleven anda leather outside of the waistband, holster
one magazine, a badge in thecar, and we get down around a
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wind Dixie on the south side,and I see I'm following a car in
the front tires flap flap flat.All I see is the top of a
head in the front seat and theypull into the Was that a burger king
or whatever that is down there?And I get out and go, hey,
man, hey, excuse me.You know you got a flat tire.
And the guy kind of opens thedoor and leans out. I thought
it was a woman, and uhhe just beads a sweat all coming down
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off his head and I'm like,something ain't right. And he wouldn't talk
to me, and he got outand I said, hey, uh,
it's your car. And I calleddispatch and told him, well, actually,
I don't even think I called outon. I think that's what made
my wife's so mad because we weredating at the time and she was she
was on the radio and and um, I got out and just just checking
on so if and it helped witha flat tire, no big deal,
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and uh he starts acting squarely.And I didn't have a portable radio or
a cell phone or nothing, andthat I had in my pockets. I
just got out and he started walkingoff and said, hey, man,
come on back here. So thisis your car. He goes on,
it's my aunties car, And I'mso all right. Well, whatever,
h she's gonna be mad. You'vebeen riding a raven driving on the rim
and uh yeah, and um hegoes all right, man, I said,
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well, and I started to leave, and I'm standing there and I'm
looking. I said, what yougot some idea on you? And he
goes on and let me look forit. And he opens the passenger's door
and leans in and opens this bigblack plastic bag and reaches inside of it.
And I'm standing up the driver's doorlooking at him, and I scent
that jacket back. I had putmy hand on that nineteen eleven and I
said, just careful where you're reachingthere, and he as eyes got bigger
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round and he was he was messedup on something. And he pulled his
hand back out empty and I'm aboutto come and he backed away and I
said, come and show me yourID, and off he went took off
running and I flt in behind him, like I was gonna. That was
back in my swaite heyday. That'swhen I was in good shape. And
we ran down the hill and whatgot my attention is we were crossing,
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um whatever, what's that road goessouth there? Park? Though it's uh
Adam Street crossing Adam Street down there, and I heard something metal go sliding
by me when I went, andit was my magazine had fallen out of
my bag holder. It's one ofhis nineteen eleven magazines. And I looked
at it and I went and therealization came over me. One, I
wasn't gonna catch him. Two hewas running towards a trailer park. He
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would blend in better than I did. And then I didn't have anyone and
nobody knew where I was. AndI just lost half my ammunition. I
only had, you know, ninerounds. And uh so I go back
up, get my magazine, goup to the car. I call on
the radio. Discretion became the betterpart of Valorie. Yeah. Well they
found him. They found him,Um, Mark Graves and Lonnie's sake came
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out. One of them was trained. I think Lonnie was training Mark or
vice versa. I forget which orderthey came in. I think it was
Mark was coming out of jail.Went down. They went and got canine
and found him and he was highas a kite. I don't never laugh
them catheterizing him. He are?That was That was That was funny.
Um he woke up and UM,so the uh so we So I go
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back and we're doing an inventory andI opened that bag and there was a
nine millimeter that had was staggered,full metal of jacket and hallow points on
stack opposite of each other, hada laser on it, and um five
pounds of weed. And then hethrew his jacket on the trunk of his
car. And later on I wasleaving, I threw it in the back
seat in my car and I'm afterwe got everything done, I'm driving off.
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I said, wait a minute,I get this guy's jacket. Let
me take it back. I wentand grabbed a jacket I had some had
five thousand dollars cash in it,so I went and took that back.
Jimmy Williams was the watch commander atthe time when I said, a lieutenant,
uh almost left with this, andhe goes, uh, yeah,
just throw it in us. No, no, no, no, let's
let's count it first and we getout one of them property receipts. There.
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I got one of those uh youknow, those little cheesy certificates.
So to give you the Sheriff's officewhen you do something fantastic, they give
you a certificate and Larry campells likeyeah uh detective struckling and recognitions for stopping
to help change a flat tire.All right, well, I think it
was a little more to it andthat boss. But if you're over at
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TPD, you you'd have got anotherpen for your uniform. They look like
a racket boat captain's over there sometimes. But the Sheriffs Office they get anything
you had to like. There werethere were more deputy sheriffs wearing TPD given
awards than there were deputy shriffes wearingSheriffs office given awards back in the day.
I mean, because if you savea life, TPD give you know,
and you were on scene, whata TPD officer, tpd'd give you
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an award. Shafes office like agood job son. You know, I
need you to work some overtime.We ain't gonna pay you for it.
We'll give you some comp time forit. Yeah. Anyway, folks,
when we come back, we're gonnaquit telling old cops stories because I'm sure
that's not interesting the most of y'all. There's a I look at I look
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at young police officers today, probablylike old war utterans look at young military
guys and go. You know,bless your heart, bless your heart.
Good luck. So we come back, we'll talk about something to do with
I think we'll talk about some knivesand guns and Memorial Day stuff and whatever.
Sound like plan we get We gottwo seconds left. Yeah, about
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last segment, I said, we'regonna talk about this anymore. But to
cap off, that last guy thathad all the weed in the bag and
all that stuff, turns out themoney to gun to weed. Yeah,
it turns out he ran. Itwas he ran for the weed, and
he ran for the gun, andhe ran for the bush just like anyo
and um what was that? Uh? And he ran through the through the
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little trip. Yeah, and somebodyran for me today, that's what being
in my mind. So he endedup being oneing for homicide out of Jacksonville.
He'd already killed one but one person, and uh that, yeah,
he laughed. Uh that. Everyeverything I learned about that, from the
minute I took off after him tothe conclusion of that case. Didn't do
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anything but go, why am Idoing this? Why do I do this
for a living? Why do IWhy did I get myself? Mama,
if you're listening to the show,this was all a light and I never
did nothing dangerous like that at all. This We're just making this up for
entertainment purposes. Don't worry about it. My mom my mom laugh every time
we get to talking about lawn portsand stuff around the house. My mom
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said, boy, I prayed youhome for twenty six and a half years.
And I said, I know,Mama, I know, I appreciate
it. I needed all the helpI could get. Sometimes my mom would
say, stuff, you don't dothat, you weren't involved in this where
I'm uh, well, actually,yeah, I don't know. I went
through the door, so what Ijust you, That's what I'm my daddy's
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son, you know he's anyway,So, um we were I was looking.
I was in Dothan at the storeand two gentlemen came in and one
was with West Coast Gas up bearwhere we get we get some more welding
stuff and all. And he hadhis buddy there and he was doing the
waiver and on. It came overthen and we were showing just I said,
(26:44):
what y'all need to do, becauseI'm I'm a cost my salesperson when
I get the opportunity, I said, what y'all needs some night vision and
you need something to go well,I got some thermal. I said,
well you need some night vision andnavigate out to where you're going and what
you need one of these microtects.And other fellow who's my size, but
a much younger very picked up andI pulled mine out and I opened and
closed it, you know, andit's it's it's you know, it's out
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the front and that's out and end, you know, just like that.
And uh, he said, letme let me see that. I don't
want to hold it. I said, no, no, you got to
hold it. And he pushed onit. He goes, how do you
make it work? And I said, you pushed forward like that and he
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properly. And then I got thinkingthat, I said, well, you
know, you're supposed to have apermit to care. Wait a minute,
I don't know that that's the caseanymore, because traditionally, if you were
going to carry it out, thefront knife in Florida, you had to
have a concealed weapons permit because it'snot a common pocket knife, right,
and there are some definitions of whata common pocket knife is in Florida,
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and it's defined, but it's notwell defined. But this is not a
common pocket knife and it has requiredto concealed carry permit to do it.
But we just went to permit.Let's carry. And from what I can
tell, this is a weapon.And everybody talks about firearms, but it
also includes consistencal weapons. Therefore,no permit required. So if you want
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to come out and look at thearcrotect, no permit required. Now in
Alabama, you can toss all thatmess out because in Alabama, the only
thing I can find in the lawsup there is you can't carry a bowie
knife concealed, but you can carryit openly anything else. What about a
sax? What bowie is a designof a blade? We turned up clip
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point there there, there's in theknife world, there's certain definition of a
bowie knife. People are crazy jD. You and I have witness,
yes, but anyway, a sacksis the Viking style with the turn down.
Anyway, I'm I'm sorry, Ohokay, yeah, um, knife
people will get exactly what I said. That was free y'all. Yeah.
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I knew a martial artist here intown that I knew him as the crazy
knife guy. I was a rookieand uh, we still know him,
but we we really like him,but yeah, we call him out anyway.
Um. So, uh, thein Alabama, all folding knives are
legal to be carried out the front, switch blades, butterfly knives. I
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mean, you're I looked at oneof a knife website that summarizes gun laws
in each state and pretty much youcarry whatever you want through in Alabama set
for a set for a bowie knife, except for a concealed bowie knife and
carried openly. I think I don'tknow how they would that's a tool man
that's a tool. It's a toolto somebody gets after you, one of
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them. What about an axe then, I mean that's a tool that somebody
gets after you with tom help.So it's a baseball bat. So it
was anything else, It's all Iguess, and so it is. What
was that crazy? What was thatin the news? A crazy uh,
crazy woman went after some college professorwith a dead gum machette. And know
a reporter or college professor went outafter a reporter with oh yeah in New
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York because they were reporting on something. We talked about it on the morning
show either earlier this week. Yeah, no kidding, I'm gonna miss that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nokidding. Like she tracked him down,
he was like standing outside, justlike trying to get an interview.
Walked away, and then, oh, be careful, I just don't be
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appropriate. Don't be appropriating any NativeAmericans in their war chant. Now you'd
be you'd be in trouble. Theydidn't have machitties. They had Tommy hawks.
I care tommahawk on my truck.I gotta keep one. I bet
it's a little more modern designed andcertainly pretty sharp too. Yeah I got
one. You don't want me toget after you with it. Now thanks
to this, I've got Indian outlawstuck in my head. Half Cherokee and
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Chocto, right, I think youknow, Oh we have devolved once more.
Sorry. Yeah, so in Florida, still wishing he was an old
pine tree. That's Colijah. Thatis Elijah. Well I want to thank
Junior and that's Colijah. So yeah, we have always cautioned people about the
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microtechs because in Florida there is acommon pocket knife and I think it's three
inch barrel and three inch barrel,three inch barrel, three snub nosed out
in the front masts old timers.That's a serious seven in a microtech works.
Well, it's weird. It's aweird thing that California Microtech makes California
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compliant out of the front. They'relittle stubby things, they're a little short
blades. They're made just for thestate of California, so you can own
them out the front and it's themoney clip is a California compliant item,
which that would be just nasty toget cut one of those things. Well,
you'd end up they would cut youjust deep enough to wear do permanent
injury. And if they caught theright artery, you'd kill you. But
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mostly it just scar youet real bad, bad, real bad. Now they
get you in the neck, that'sit's long enough to get all that.
You know, it'll get to yourvitals. But what's the matter, grant
make you get you get the heavy. If you come after me with a
knife, I promise you I'm gonnashoot you dead. I am not.
I do not like knives. Idon't like knife wounds. The grossest wounds
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to me or not bullet wounds,they are knife wounds because it just Yeah,
I'm the same way, buddy.I that is a highly feared weapon
from from my perspective, as anykind of a bladed weapon, as just
it's especially in the hands of somebodythat knows how to use it. Um
there is there is, Uh,they ain't nothing to play with. Oh.
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I'll watch people who are proficient withknives demonstrate while you ain't taking a
knife away from them. I meanthey'll have a knife and you'll grab the
arm and they just basically stab,you know, demonstrating here in the studio
and basically they just twist their handaround and cut you with the blade and
while you're struggling. As I'm tellingyou right now, if somebody has a
knife and a fight and you haveany option other than to fight, run
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away, like like Monty Pipe,run away, run away, run for
us. Run Yes. Absolutely.I was watching the Monty Python the thing
where he says, I can yousay fart on radio? Yeah? Okay.
I fought in a general direction andthen he was saying they were and
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they started throwing geese and cows andstuff and catapulting livestock over the walls at
him, and they're you know,attack and then run away, run away.
Well, if somebody comes at youwith a knife and you have the
option and just my advice as aprofessional, uh personal safety train whatever we
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are, run away them, lethim have it, or shoot them him
shoot a lot, Elizabeth, shootthem, shoot them, Yeah, because
because I'm telling you right now,a knife is bad, bad news.
Um. You know. So whenI see people, you know, open
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carrying knives, I'd rather see anopen carry nineteen eleven than I would open
carry bowie knife because I figured thatguy with a bowie knife probably doesn't have
he's probably a felon and can't carrya gun. And that guy, nah
hurts you so so yeah? AmI afraid? Uh yeah, I kinda
of knives. I am a littlebit enough to kill you. We'll be
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Paul on the show today hopefully nextweek because we have our new studio running
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it's it's uh so yes um.If y'all are in the Dothan market or
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the Wiregrass area, if you listento the two and a half minute segment
um that is me talking about criticalinsen stress that was recorded in the Dothan
sub studio otherwise known as my officeand so sitting at the desk, I
got all the stuff in there,so so I when to have these uh
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moments of clarity, can kind ofput some stuff together until we get some
sponsors to fill that space. Yougot wonder you got windows in your office
up there? I have a window, yes, okay, I keep it
blying pulled down to say, youkeep the blying downward. A squirrels don't
run across there and distract you whenyou're doing things like that. Now it's
the people pulling up sign into therains that distract me and the dogs.
(37:28):
I was recording the segment for thisshow, and I was getting Okay,
while we're on the break, I'mgoing to talk to you about blah blah
blah blah blah. And I heardand I'm like, what in the world.
And I didn't realize that that literally, the German shorthaired pointer had just
got come back from one of thelong runs where she goes and visits the
(37:50):
neighbors up there to rains, andshe had come in hot and tired and
laid down under there and she blendsin on the rug. She's you know,
it's got the same kind of coloration. I couldn't see her. I
just here and I'm like, getout of my office. Shouldn't have kicked
her out because then I did thatsegment edited up, send it off,
no, and then I know itgot time to leave, and I went
outside and both the dogs are onone of those secondary runs and I had
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to wait about thirty minutes for himto show back up. But you know,
my bad. So if you're upat the Dophan rains and you see
uh liver colored uh uh German shortair pointer and that little rusty colored Rusty
the Dry Creek dog pit bull ofmix, we'll call him. We'll call
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him a bull of dog mix.Um, don't don't take him home with
you because they will load up there. My dogs, they're my heart.
Don't do that. Um. Andjust if they come down to the gun
rings to say hey, just petthem and kick them in the butt and
send them on their way. Youdon't have a head? Does work?
Because I use that on Lily earlier. Ye, yeah, she get there's
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not a Southern dog in the inthe in the whole South. I didn't
understand that. So, Um,I was Riley I was. We were
getting ready to come do the show. Him fellow walked down and said,
hey, I was over at togun smith and UM told me to come
up here and get get this thingregistered. Just getting the system so he
can get my my barrel uh weldedand pins or something else. Yeah,
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and how's everything going over there withCoult the gunsmith man. I've seen some
just some incredible work, um,come out of the shop over there.
He is he is excellent. Um, I will say that he is excellent.
He Uh he just texted me heuh installed a um it's called a
e A Brown Hicks accurizer on myRuger number one that I just had rebarreled
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and all that good stuff. Andhe put the accurizer installed it on there
and for me, uh, beyondmy capabilities, I would I would miss
something up. I don't even knowwhat. I'll show you plain it to
you. It's a it's a deviceyou attached to the basically the barreled action
that allows you to tension the barrel. It's a single shot rifle and and
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yes, um, but anyway,it's it's a device that allows you to
change the harmonics and tension the barrel. And it's uh it I get the
concept. Yeah, instead of freefloating the barrel, which there is no
way to free float a barrel ona single shot rifle because it has to
have some kind of attachment point upat the front to hold onto on your
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four end. This allows you toto to do that to tension it so
that you don't have which when you'reshooting a rifle and you want to shoot
accurately, keep your hand off thebarrel when you used to do some things.
Don't rest the barrel on the onthe edge of the tree stand or
on the don't let the barrel touchanything. Right. But when we were
I was playing around on a sniperteam back in the day, you know,
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we get we get on all theseweird positions and do stuff, and
next thing, you know, you'dfind yourself because you know, like on
the peak of a roof trying notto slide down the roof when you're sitting
on a call out for eight hadgum hours because a guy won't come out
of the house and you're hanging onto the peak of the roof trying not
to slide off, and you findyourself, Okay, I got a rifle
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here, it's on it's on myjacket here, and I'm in this weird
position. I'd literally have my handholding the barrel just keep from you know,
using the rifle as a hook tokeep from sliding off. I'm going,
well, I hoop, I don'tactually have to pull the tracker,
probably shoot two feet low. Yeah, anything that people people absolutely a lot
of people don't realize that any kindof any kind of tension pressure, any
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of that stuff on a on agun barrel can can very much affect your
accuracy or your point of impact.Ye. So you know, if in
wooden stocks traditionally back in the daywere problematic if you didn't if you didn't
free float the barrel, if youdidn't go in and relieve some of the
stock up there around the barrel,so you could, you know, slide
a piece of paper or dollar billor whatever in there that would wood and
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the humidity and the heat would wouldever so slightly. He changed that ten
he also last week. He justI kind of like having him there because
then go, hey, hey,I wonder how much he's doing for you
versus making money for us, sincesince you was here. Uh yeah,
I would stock gun that. Ihad him do the uh class bedded free,
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fluided the whole, put the tenmeal tape on the barrel, and
he actually I actually got him tothreat the barrel for the for my suppressor
and the whole. That buffalo hornwork he did for you, And that
was that was Coal Sims. Coaldid that Cole Sims in our shop,
who was an absolute artist? Yes? Uh did an end. Yeah,
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the story was that he is acrash, he's done, he does some
really cool other words, an artist. I just heard Cole Cole I heard.
Yeah. So so the story withthis I don't actually pay a lot
of attention to jad. I justI cat cast the fringes of it and
I go, okay, this isthis, this sounds cool. Yeah,
I don't really care. So thisgun. I kind of came by this
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gun and uh and didn't Yeah,yeah, absolutely it was. It was
legal. I bought it from somebodythat that had inherited it from somebody else,
and we didn't even know what itwas chambered in. It's a Ruger
number one that had a barrel onit, and it had been re barrel
at some point in time in itslife. It had a Sacho barrel so
Finnish Finland, a barrel made inFinland on a rug Ruger rifle made in
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America. And to this I stilldon't know what it was chamber and didn't
care. It was some little tinytwenty two caliber something or other, and
I wanted something usable, so Iactually sent it off to out to Oregon
to have a have a barrel puton it by a company called pack Nor
that makes really nice Uh. I'mat huh what's his name of pack Nor,
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like Pacific North. So I gota pack Nor barrel put on their
match grade in two seventy's something Ican deer hunt with, and uh it
did. The gun had leaned upagainst the wall and somebody's hunting cabin next
to a woodburning stove, and ithad charred the wood. Uh, I
burned the wood. So Cole wentin there and did a relief on there
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and cut all the charring out ofthere, and in set some buffalo horn
uh in there, and then carvedthe deer in the deer on one side
and a bear on the other.And it's it turned out that looks like
it was meant to be. Yeah, turned out gorgeous, but so that
he needed another two seventy hunting rifle. Yeah, because he's he's rifle poor.
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I am, I'm I am riflepoor. But uh but yeah,
it turned out really well. There'sa picture of a print just so you
know what we're talking about. Butuh, classic classic firearm. It's the
ruged number ones. I've never hadone. This is my first one.
Always wanted one. Um. ButColt Howard, our gunsmith, um is
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just every time he's you know,I see everything that kind of goes in
and comes out of the shop overthere, and he continues to impress me.
They say, I'll bring you somestuff. Let's cover pistol brace in
case law real quick. Yeah,Fifth District Court of Appeal. So there's
on the end of this month,which is I guess the thirty. First,
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the amnesty for your free I'm notgoing to call it registration or form
one short barrel or whatever. Ifyou have a pistol brace, the government
was offering for free to if yousend them a picture and description of what
you have. They were offering togive you a free letter of exemption saying
it was okay for you to haveit. Here's a picture in my felonious
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rifle that you've already determined as against. It's against a lot of half.
So here's the picture. Yeah,and they were in in exchange for you
sending them pictures of what you had, they were going to send you a
letter telling you it was okay foryou to have it. Not a tax
stamp, not a registrate, nota registered short barrel rifle. A yes,
you did not get attack stamp.You got to let her say and
you were you you're okay to havethat firearm and that configuration. That's it.
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Well what if you're not, well, what if a lot of things,
I mean, there's what if theydetermined that it wasn't okay to have
they gonna send some my knock onyour door. Yeah, But then the
Fifth District Court of Appeal which isEast Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi ruled against
them being able to do this.They only ruled in the for the plaintiffs
in their case. But it's Ikind of see that as the first dominant
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and the fifth District does not includeus, right, So yeah, if
it, But it's the first federalcourt that ruled against the first case that
made it all the way to thejudges, and the judges immediately struck it
down and said, no, y'allcan't do that. Well, they just
over the Supreme Court just overturned someEPA stuff where the Biden administration did some
over each saying the EPA can't writelaw in essence, and so maybe you
(46:52):
know it gets up there that samething on atf And we will see y'all
next week. B
And welcome to the Talent out theDoor show. I'm Charlie and I'm grand.
That was the microphone moving. Yeah, it just wasn't quiet where it
needed to be. A man,I've been riding around like I've been streaming
my my playlists. It's on.I'm on my Hank Williams Junior playlist,
kick all the ones that sound kindof like Hank Williams Junior. And it's
(00:31):
been, Um, it's kind ofgoing old school, riding down the road,
listening to to a dinosaur and stufflike that. You know, it's
yeah, old school still, justlike the song says women, oh yeah,
all that good stuff. It's it'sand I remember when I was growing
(00:55):
up listening when Hank Williams Junior wasin his heyday, um in the eighties.
I mean we were just and ofcourse that he's kind of timeless,
really, you know, it justonce. But I remember in the early
eighties in high school listening and thenI would find some of his stuff from
the eight seventies, you know,the older stuff. Are you singing a
lot of his daddy's old music?No, not that far back. I've
(01:17):
listening to that too, But I'mtalking about just the album or two before
the ones that I was listening to, and I was like, oh,
well, it's like kind of likelistening is zz top. And then you
find out they had music before Sharpdress Man, you know, and you
go back a little go oh thisis good too, you know, and
it just it just it's there's atreasure choke trove, and now people listen
(01:38):
to it, and they've got allof this wealth of stuff. You know,
back decades, literally tens of years, Jade, I know, were
decades had to do it. I'vehad to do it. There was some
moist decades back then. They say, you know, I try really hard
(02:00):
to live a good life, totreat people and treat people right. And
I love how this all becomes existentialnow all of these things I try really
hard, and and and you getmoist decades, you know. I mean
that's what I get out a lot. So So I had a challenge question
(02:22):
on something the other day. Iwas trying to sign into some secure government
website and it always ask you thesequestions, what's your what's your paternal grandmothers
made no paternal grandmother's maiden name,and I'm going, okay, paternal mutter,
which is the mom and daddy's momand them. Yeah, I'm trying
(02:42):
to figure that crap out, andI finally just got out. Came back,
says, what's your best friend's name? I said, Okay, David,
Nope, John j d Oh.It took that one. So you
spell that you're on a government list. I'm where if I go down,
you're going down to. Oh that'sjust so, that's so comforting. Bring
(03:07):
a lot of help, That's allI got to say. You have an
alias. I don't know what I'mgonna signing up for. Oh yeah,
I don't want to know who Iam. My name is John David.
Oh I would never do that.But anyhow, so we're what are we
gonna talk about? First? Wegot so many things we have discussed before
we started to discussing. Let's talkabout well, let's talk about in the
(03:30):
news. Start with local. Ohyes, yeah, yeah, I saw
something on the local. Uh,the Dothan folks, we talk about local
Tallahassee news down here. I don'twant you to get confused because, uh,
well WCTV plays in Dothan, sothey probably probably seen it on the
news. Yeah, please used toI don't know anyhow Apparently somebody made a
(03:52):
really bad decision sometime over the lasttwenty four or forty eight hours. Yeah,
somebody and some Thursday nights, somebodyreally really did not think that did
not think through what they some inaccurate, uh, nonpracticed shooter decided to try
to ambush a bunch of police officersand a deputy sheriff here in the capital
(04:15):
city of Florida and walked up onthere. I read and it let's say,
what did what did? What did? Uh? Jason Larson say here
on the news was um, basicallythey had made some sort of narcotics arrests
and UM found a suspect at TomBrown Park, uh with some other folks,
and some young lady wandered off fromthe crowd and armed herself with some
(04:36):
sort of rifle and came back andstarted shooting at the crowd of police.
And apparently she missed and they didnot, and they did not probably alone
because it was about the Probably therewas a crowd, there was a several
of them there. Well, ifthey said there were, I think that
they said they were like seven policeofficers and a deputy or something like that,
about eight cops and you got eightcops and you start shooting at them
(04:59):
with a rifle, and I don'twant kind of rifle it was, but
I can only imagine what kind ofrifle it was in its day and age.
And they shot back, and Isuspect if there was eight of them
there, there was a lot morethan eight rounds shot because you start shooting,
you start shooting that some cops withouta rifle and get really Now things
can get really exciting in a bighurry, and nobody's counting how many times
(05:21):
they pull them the trigger. AndI can see, I can see the
news, and it was a woman, and so I can see the news
now at least it's not Florida man. Yeah, that's true. Florida woman.
Florida woman. Florida woman scares meway more than Florida man. Days.
I'm just saying, yeah, I'mjust saying. I'm just saying,
(05:42):
well, the most dangerous, themost dangerous hellas I'm scared of. I'm
scared a lot of women in mylife, the most all of them.
Easy. Now, I'm just sayingnow that that get mad and catch you
you asleep. Well, what scaresme about this is I saw the words
(06:03):
ambush you know, and I meanand and being career cops like we are,
the number of times when we wentup and we focused on an initial
threat and then you know, somebodythat was basically innocuous some you know,
I can just imagine some we're focusingon resting some guy and there's another guy
there, and then there's a girland she just sort of wanders off and
(06:26):
go. You know, you justkind of, oh, well, yeah,
for her to arm herself with arifle and come back. I don't
know what's going on. There's moreto the story. It'll come out eventually,
but I can tell you that's scaryto me because you know, I
in my opinion based on just aquick read of the press release and the
news report, knowing what I knowabout law enforcement, is uh, there
(06:49):
those officers on scene are fortunate tobe alive. Oh just a hand to
God, no doubt, no doubt. Um, what was Let me ask
you this, that kind of thatkind of gives me a thought, kind
of had some chill bumps runn upmy back. What was the scary What
was your the scariest calls that youwent to, Not the scariest single call,
(07:13):
the scariest type of call that youin your opinion, that you got
sent to as a as a deputyor as a cop. I tell you
I know what very easily what mineis. But go ahead with let me
see if I want to see ifthey're the same. UM. I mean,
domestic violences were always concerning to mebecause I never knew what. I
never knew who was gonna turn onme in the middle of the investigation.
(07:34):
You know, I'm talking to oneall of a sudden, other one freaks
out. It was the to me, it was always the UM. I
think you know, traffic stops werethey were just a known risk. You
treat them all like their unknown risk. I would say, just responding to
an unknown something that somebody disturbance.You go into a house and something's happened,
(07:58):
and you've got to go knock onthe door, and you have no
idea what's going on, and andthen you don't get any response and you
hear something moving around. That's thekind of stuff where now you're sitting there
making decision do I need to gointo this house so I need to check
on the welfare. There's just there'sjust so many things that can go wrong.
Yeah, you know, so herewas my biggest nightmare. My biggest
(08:18):
fear is you get sent to adomestic violence, which that's a lot of
what we responded to, and especiallyin the rural setting that you and I
worked at the Sheriff's office. You'rejust setting whereas you're by yourself. Yeah,
and you get to the wherever you'regoing, and you may or may
not have information, but you yougenerally and you have some information about why
(08:39):
you're going there. The true unknowndisturbances is rare. But you got there
wherever you were going, and thehouse was a hundred yards away, and
you've got a private driveway with agate. So you got two choices.
You get out of your car andyou open the gate and you drive up
(09:01):
to the house, or you getout of the car and you go through
the gate on foot and you walkup to the house over one hundred yards
or so of ground, open ground. The biggest fear that I always had
lingering in there is I am sovulnerable either way. You're super vulnerable to
anybody that's mad at you inside thathouse with a single shot rifle with a
(09:24):
scope on it, or a boltaction rifle with a scope on it.
I wouldn't worry about somebody jumping outof the bushes with a you know,
an AKA and shooting at me orwhatever it was. That whole one guy
that knew what he was doing witha deer rifle, you know. Oh,
I've had I remember one going tosomebody who was he was mentally ill
and I had to drive up thedriveway knowing he was armed with the rifle
(09:48):
and they didn't know where he was, thought he was in the house.
And I was the first one wasturned into a two day swaite call out.
Yeah, took him the path,They let him go and go get
him again. We'll be right back. Hi's Charlie at tallon j D.
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You know, we're back back towhat we were talking about. Traffic
stops were never because of the nonrisk and domestics. If you know domestic
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violence calls, you're because of thehigh percentage of officer involved injuries and stuff
with and you know, bad thingshappening on those two specific calls. You're
always hyper alert. But it's thatwalking up on the house and man like
Grant was saying, that's when youstart making deals with the Lord. You
bet, that's when you start prayingup front, and then you don't then
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more importantly, don't forget to saythank you at the end when you walk
away from it, because it's justit's a it's a scary, scary thought.
Yeah, there were just you know, I think I try not to
think about it, but looking back, I mean, I can't count how
many times. I mean, someof the old crap moments were like you're
talking to somebody. Next thing,you know, you're patting them down,
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and you know, and they thenthey've got a gun. And he didn't
say he had a gun. Hedidn't tell me about he's a felon.
He wasn't gonna tell you about it. Then you find a gun or you
know, you're you're rolling around fightingsomebody and and then all of a sudden,
a nice where it comes out andwhere did that come from. I
remember rolling up on a domestic violenceover and when I was working in Jackson
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County back in ninety four ninety five, and some married couple arguing, and
she went she was going to takethe car and leave the house, and
he wouldn't want to take the car, and convinced him to let her take
the car. And then he reachedup under started snatching wires out from under
it because he wanted to kid.And it was dog days in August and
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he wasn't wearing anything but a pairof boxer shorts and nothing else. And
I grabbed him to pull him outof the car, and we went to
rolling around on the ground, andnext thing and then we fell back into
a rosebush and I had one ofthose uh ninety five forward draw Safari land
holsters on and I fell back intothe rosebushes and one of the stops broke
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the snap off opened it up,and next thing you know, he's saying,
I got your gun. And Ireached down to my ankle and pulled
my thirty eight and I screwed itin his ear, and I said,
just exactly what I said, Igot my other gun. I said let's
don't kill each other over this.Blankety blank bs and he goes, I'm
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fine, what out and his sunstanding there, whole families around me.
We're laying on the ground, andone of my captains comes up there in
the middle of it to help.He was the closest one and rolling around.
I think I kicked him in theshin and he rolled off in the
ditch and um was holding his legand then uh, Michael Daniel's my buddy,
uh from from school, who wasmy sergeant, comes up there and
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helps me, you know, andthat they the guy's son grabs my gun
from his dad, you know,and says, I've got your gun depth
And I said, if you shootme, I'm shooting him. I mean
literally, this is a conversation,you know. We're just sitting there and
I'm and I keyed up on theradio and I said, Jackson, I
need blah blah blah blah blah.And then if they kept calling back,
calling back, calling back, andI couldn't answer. And again the sheriff
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at the time, Johnny McDaniel,keyed up and says, Jackson, you
leave that man alone. He's inthe middle of a fight. Let him
fight. Just send him some helpnow. And next time I saw the
sheriff, I was like, thankyou, sheriff. I don't know what
you know. And I'm sitting therethinking, you know, thinking evil thoughts
about dispatcher bother. Now, mywife is a dispatch supervisor in that agency.
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Somebody be careful. Two years later. But that's the kind of stuff
that just you just don't happens twentyfive years and I was doing that.
I forget. That's working a doorat a big dance on FSU campus,
fifteen hundred, two thousand people ata big party at the ballroom. I
think I was there and vaguely listeningto the radio about the other stuff going
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on around the world. And theygot a call about an armed guy that
had pulled a gun on somebody atthe store, and this, that and
the other, and they went togiving out this this description of this guy.
I know, he's six foot fourand he's wearing wearing black pants and
a checkered shirt and datta datta,dutta dutt and a hair like this.
And and I'm looking and I'm fromme to you, grant well three feet
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away. He's standing right there infront of me. And I mean they
described him to a t standing threeyeah, okay out yeah, he wasn't
hearing it go out. I'm standingthree foot away from him, this guy
who had just assaulted somebody with afirearm three four blocks away, uh you
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know, a few minutes earlier,and face to face for this guy.
And he was about and I'm sixfoot three. He was about three or
four inches taller than me, andyoung and big and strong and and and
I'm going okay, and I justreal calment. I said, uh,
hey, man, you got agun on you. He looked at me,
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he goes oh. I said,well, where's it at. It's
in my waistband. All right,here's how we're gonna do that. Now.
Mind you, this is not theplace to have a shootout. There's
thousand people within twenty five yards ofyou know, fifty I mean crowd.
And I said, all right,you put your hands on top of your
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head, don't take him down,and I won't kill you where you stand.
And I said it to him justlike that, with just a strait
of sirius. And I was deadserious. I said, if you take
your hands off your head, I'mgonna kill you. Did this guy had
a breada ninety two nine millimeter pistolcocked safety off, stuck in his waistband.
She's getting ready to walk into adance with a thousand people in there,
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and man, you talk, thatwas all over. When that was
all over with, it was oneof those things where I was calm and
cool to it was all over with. And afterwards I was shaking like a
bird dog trying to pass a peachseed buddy I needed. I stopped on
the Saturday. I followed a carhome one night when I was living at
the flea market. I was followinga car home when I was in either
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burglary or robbery task for property crimesomething. I was a detective and a
and a grand marquis going home.When I was living, I was going
through my divorce and and living atthe flea market, and um, and
I'm driving home at night, comingback from a call, and I got
nothing on but in nineteen eleven anda leather outside of the waistband, holster
one magazine, a badge in thecar, and we get down around a
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wind Dixie on the south side,and I see I'm following a car in
the front tires flap flap flat.All I see is the top of a
head in the front seat and theypull into the Was that a burger king
or whatever that is down there?And I get out and go, hey,
man, hey, excuse me.You know you got a flat tire.
And the guy kind of opens thedoor and leans out. I thought
it was a woman, and uhhe just beads a sweat all coming down
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off his head and I'm like,something ain't right. And he wouldn't talk
to me, and he got outand I said, hey, uh,
it's your car. And I calleddispatch and told him, well, actually,
I don't even think I called outon. I think that's what made
my wife's so mad because we weredating at the time and she was she
was on the radio and and um, I got out and just just checking
on so if and it helped witha flat tire, no big deal,
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and uh he starts acting squarely.And I didn't have a portable radio or
a cell phone or nothing, andthat I had in my pockets. I
just got out and he started walkingoff and said, hey, man,
come on back here. So thisis your car. He goes on,
it's my aunties car, And I'mso all right. Well, whatever,
h she's gonna be mad. You'vebeen riding a raven driving on the rim
and uh yeah, and um hegoes all right, man, I said,
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well, and I started to leave, and I'm standing there and I'm
looking. I said, what yougot some idea on you? And he
goes on and let me look forit. And he opens the passenger's door
and leans in and opens this bigblack plastic bag and reaches inside of it.
And I'm standing up the driver's doorlooking at him, and I scent
that jacket back. I had putmy hand on that nineteen eleven and I
said, just careful where you're reachingthere, and he as eyes got bigger
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round and he was he was messedup on something. And he pulled his
hand back out empty and I'm aboutto come and he backed away and I
said, come and show me yourID, and off he went took off
running and I flt in behind him, like I was gonna. That was
back in my swaite heyday. That'swhen I was in good shape. And
we ran down the hill and whatgot my attention is we were crossing,
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um whatever, what's that road goessouth there? Park? Though it's uh
Adam Street crossing Adam Street down there, and I heard something metal go sliding
by me when I went, andit was my magazine had fallen out of
my bag holder. It's one ofhis nineteen eleven magazines. And I looked
at it and I went and therealization came over me. One, I
wasn't gonna catch him. Two hewas running towards a trailer park. He
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would blend in better than I did. And then I didn't have anyone and
nobody knew where I was. AndI just lost half my ammunition. I
only had, you know, ninerounds. And uh so I go back
up, get my magazine, goup to the car. I call on
the radio. Discretion became the betterpart of Valorie. Yeah. Well they
found him. They found him,Um, Mark Graves and Lonnie's sake came
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out. One of them was trained. I think Lonnie was training Mark or
vice versa. I forget which orderthey came in. I think it was
Mark was coming out of jail.Went down. They went and got canine
and found him and he was highas a kite. I don't never laugh
them catheterizing him. He are?That was That was That was funny.
Um he woke up and UM,so the uh so we So I go
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back and we're doing an inventory andI opened that bag and there was a
nine millimeter that had was staggered,full metal of jacket and hallow points on
stack opposite of each other, hada laser on it, and um five
pounds of weed. And then hethrew his jacket on the trunk of his
car. And later on I wasleaving, I threw it in the back
seat in my car and I'm afterwe got everything done, I'm driving off.
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I said, wait a minute,I get this guy's jacket. Let
me take it back. I wentand grabbed a jacket I had some had
five thousand dollars cash in it,so I went and took that back.
Jimmy Williams was the watch commander atthe time when I said, a lieutenant,
uh almost left with this, andhe goes, uh, yeah,
just throw it in us. No, no, no, no, let's
let's count it first and we getout one of them property receipts. There.
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I got one of those uh youknow, those little cheesy certificates.
So to give you the Sheriff's officewhen you do something fantastic, they give
you a certificate and Larry campells likeyeah uh detective struckling and recognitions for stopping
to help change a flat tire.All right, well, I think it
was a little more to it andthat boss. But if you're over at
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TPD, you you'd have got anotherpen for your uniform. They look like
a racket boat captain's over there sometimes. But the Sheriffs Office they get anything
you had to like. There werethere were more deputy sheriffs wearing TPD given
awards than there were deputy shriffes wearingSheriffs office given awards back in the day.
I mean, because if you savea life, TPD give you know,
and you were on scene, whata TPD officer, tpd'd give you
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an award. Shafes office like agood job son. You know, I
need you to work some overtime.We ain't gonna pay you for it.
We'll give you some comp time forit. Yeah. Anyway, folks,
when we come back, we're gonnaquit telling old cops stories because I'm sure
that's not interesting the most of y'all. There's a I look at I look
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at young police officers today, probablylike old war utterans look at young military
guys and go. You know,bless your heart, bless your heart.
Good luck. So we come back, we'll talk about something to do with
I think we'll talk about some knivesand guns and Memorial Day stuff and whatever.
Sound like plan we get We gottwo seconds left. Yeah, about
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last segment, I said, we'regonna talk about this anymore. But to
cap off, that last guy thathad all the weed in the bag and
all that stuff, turns out themoney to gun to weed. Yeah,
it turns out he ran. Itwas he ran for the weed, and
he ran for the gun, andhe ran for the bush just like anyo
and um what was that? Uh? And he ran through the through the
(25:14):
little trip. Yeah, and somebodyran for me today, that's what being
in my mind. So he endedup being oneing for homicide out of Jacksonville.
He'd already killed one but one person, and uh that, yeah,
he laughed. Uh that. Everyeverything I learned about that, from the
minute I took off after him tothe conclusion of that case. Didn't do
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anything but go, why am Idoing this? Why do I do this
for a living? Why do IWhy did I get myself? Mama,
if you're listening to the show,this was all a light and I never
did nothing dangerous like that at all. This We're just making this up for
entertainment purposes. Don't worry about it. My mom my mom laugh every time
we get to talking about lawn portsand stuff around the house. My mom
(26:00):
said, boy, I prayed youhome for twenty six and a half years.
And I said, I know,Mama, I know, I appreciate
it. I needed all the helpI could get. Sometimes my mom would
say, stuff, you don't dothat, you weren't involved in this where
I'm uh, well, actually,yeah, I don't know. I went
through the door, so what Ijust you, That's what I'm my daddy's
(26:22):
son, you know he's anyway,So, um we were I was looking.
I was in Dothan at the storeand two gentlemen came in and one
was with West Coast Gas up bearwhere we get we get some more welding
stuff and all. And he hadhis buddy there and he was doing the
waiver and on. It came overthen and we were showing just I said,
(26:44):
what y'all need to do, becauseI'm I'm a cost my salesperson when
I get the opportunity, I said, what y'all needs some night vision and
you need something to go well,I got some thermal. I said,
well you need some night vision andnavigate out to where you're going and what
you need one of these microtects.And other fellow who's my size, but
a much younger very picked up andI pulled mine out and I opened and
closed it, you know, andit's it's it's you know, it's out
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the front and that's out and end, you know, just like that.
And uh, he said, letme let me see that. I don't
want to hold it. I said, no, no, you got to
hold it. And he pushed onit. He goes, how do you
make it work? And I said, you pushed forward like that and he
kept pushing. I said, Isaid, you got to put your man
hands on that thing, and helaughed and then he you know, once
he realized it was just a matterand I had shamed him into using it
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properly. And then I got thinkingthat, I said, well, you
know, you're supposed to have apermit to care. Wait a minute,
I don't know that that's the caseanymore, because traditionally, if you were
going to carry it out, thefront knife in Florida, you had to
have a concealed weapons permit because it'snot a common pocket knife, right,
and there are some definitions of whata common pocket knife is in Florida,
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and it's defined, but it's notwell defined. But this is not a
common pocket knife and it has requiredto concealed carry permit to do it.
But we just went to permit.Let's carry. And from what I can
tell, this is a weapon.And everybody talks about firearms, but it
also includes consistencal weapons. Therefore,no permit required. So if you want
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to come out and look at thearcrotect, no permit required. Now in
Alabama, you can toss all thatmess out because in Alabama, the only
thing I can find in the lawsup there is you can't carry a bowie
knife concealed, but you can carryit openly anything else. What about a
sax? What bowie is a designof a blade? We turned up clip
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point there there, there's in theknife world, there's certain definition of a
bowie knife. People are crazy jD. You and I have witness,
yes, but anyway, a sacksis the Viking style with the turn down.
Anyway, I'm I'm sorry, Ohokay, yeah, um, knife
people will get exactly what I said. That was free y'all. Yeah.
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I knew a martial artist here intown that I knew him as the crazy
knife guy. I was a rookieand uh, we still know him,
but we we really like him,but yeah, we call him out anyway.
Um. So, uh, thein Alabama, all folding knives are
legal to be carried out the front, switch blades, butterfly knives. I
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mean, you're I looked at oneof a knife website that summarizes gun laws
in each state and pretty much youcarry whatever you want through in Alabama set
for a set for a bowie knife, except for a concealed bowie knife and
carried openly. I think I don'tknow how they would that's a tool man
that's a tool. It's a toolto somebody gets after you, one of
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them. What about an axe then, I mean that's a tool that somebody
gets after you with tom help.So it's a baseball bat. So it
was anything else, It's all Iguess, and so it is. What
was that crazy? What was thatin the news? A crazy uh,
crazy woman went after some college professorwith a dead gum machette. And know
a reporter or college professor went outafter a reporter with oh yeah in New
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York because they were reporting on something. We talked about it on the morning
show either earlier this week. Yeah, no kidding, I'm gonna miss that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nokidding. Like she tracked him down,
he was like standing outside, justlike trying to get an interview.
Walked away, and then, oh, be careful, I just don't be
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appropriate. Don't be appropriating any NativeAmericans in their war chant. Now you'd
be you'd be in trouble. Theydidn't have machitties. They had Tommy hawks.
I care tommahawk on my truck.I gotta keep one. I bet
it's a little more modern designed andcertainly pretty sharp too. Yeah I got
one. You don't want me toget after you with it. Now thanks
to this, I've got Indian outlawstuck in my head. Half Cherokee and
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Chocto, right, I think youknow, Oh we have devolved once more.
Sorry. Yeah, so in Florida, still wishing he was an old
pine tree. That's Colijah. Thatis Elijah. Well I want to thank
Junior and that's Colijah. So yeah, we have always cautioned people about the
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microtechs because in Florida there is acommon pocket knife and I think it's three
inch barrel and three inch barrel,three inch barrel, three snub nosed out
in the front masts old timers.That's a serious seven in a microtech works.
Well, it's weird. It's aweird thing that California Microtech makes California
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compliant out of the front. They'relittle stubby things, they're a little short
blades. They're made just for thestate of California, so you can own
them out the front and it's themoney clip is a California compliant item,
which that would be just nasty toget cut one of those things. Well,
you'd end up they would cut youjust deep enough to wear do permanent
injury. And if they caught theright artery, you'd kill you. But
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mostly it just scar youet real bad, bad, real bad. Now they
get you in the neck, that'sit's long enough to get all that.
You know, it'll get to yourvitals. But what's the matter, grant
make you get you get the heavy. If you come after me with a
knife, I promise you I'm gonnashoot you dead. I am not.
I do not like knives. Idon't like knife wounds. The grossest wounds
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to me or not bullet wounds,they are knife wounds because it just Yeah,
I'm the same way, buddy.I that is a highly feared weapon
from from my perspective, as anykind of a bladed weapon, as just
it's especially in the hands of somebodythat knows how to use it. Um
there is there is, Uh,they ain't nothing to play with. Oh.
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I'll watch people who are proficient withknives demonstrate while you ain't taking a
knife away from them. I meanthey'll have a knife and you'll grab the
arm and they just basically stab,you know, demonstrating here in the studio
and basically they just twist their handaround and cut you with the blade and
while you're struggling. As I'm tellingyou right now, if somebody has a
knife and a fight and you haveany option other than to fight, run
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away, like like Monty Pipe,run away, run away, run for
us. Run Yes. Absolutely.I was watching the Monty Python the thing
where he says, I can yousay fart on radio? Yeah? Okay.
I fought in a general direction andthen he was saying they were and
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they started throwing geese and cows andstuff and catapulting livestock over the walls at
him, and they're you know,attack and then run away, run away.
Well, if somebody comes at youwith a knife and you have the
option and just my advice as aprofessional, uh personal safety train whatever we
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are, run away them, lethim have it, or shoot them him
shoot a lot, Elizabeth, shootthem, shoot them, Yeah, because
because I'm telling you right now,a knife is bad, bad news.
Um. You know. So whenI see people, you know, open
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carrying knives, I'd rather see anopen carry nineteen eleven than I would open
carry bowie knife because I figured thatguy with a bowie knife probably doesn't have
he's probably a felon and can't carrya gun. And that guy, nah
hurts you so so yeah? AmI afraid? Uh yeah, I kinda
of knives. I am a littlebit enough to kill you. We'll be
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Paul on the show today hopefully nextweek because we have our new studio running
inaugural inaugural Talent Outdoor Show from theTalent Outdoor Studio Ship. Yeah, and
it's it's uh so yes um.If y'all are in the Dothan market or
(36:44):
the Wiregrass area, if you listento the two and a half minute segment
um that is me talking about criticalinsen stress that was recorded in the Dothan
sub studio otherwise known as my officeand so sitting at the desk, I
got all the stuff in there,so so I when to have these uh
(37:06):
moments of clarity, can kind ofput some stuff together until we get some
sponsors to fill that space. Yougot wonder you got windows in your office
up there? I have a window, yes, okay, I keep it
blying pulled down to say, youkeep the blying downward. A squirrels don't
run across there and distract you whenyou're doing things like that. Now it's
the people pulling up sign into therains that distract me and the dogs.
(37:28):
I was recording the segment for thisshow, and I was getting Okay,
while we're on the break, I'mgoing to talk to you about blah blah
blah blah blah. And I heardand I'm like, what in the world.
And I didn't realize that that literally, the German shorthaired pointer had just
got come back from one of thelong runs where she goes and visits the
(37:50):
neighbors up there to rains, andshe had come in hot and tired and
laid down under there and she blendsin on the rug. She's you know,
it's got the same kind of coloration. I couldn't see her. I
just here and I'm like, getout of my office. Shouldn't have kicked
her out because then I did thatsegment edited up, send it off,
no, and then I know itgot time to leave, and I went
outside and both the dogs are onone of those secondary runs and I had
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to wait about thirty minutes for himto show back up. But you know,
my bad. So if you're upat the Dophan rains and you see
uh liver colored uh uh German shortair pointer and that little rusty colored Rusty
the Dry Creek dog pit bull ofmix, we'll call him. We'll call
(38:34):
him a bull of dog mix.Um, don't don't take him home with
you because they will load up there. My dogs, they're my heart.
Don't do that. Um. Andjust if they come down to the gun
rings to say hey, just petthem and kick them in the butt and
send them on their way. Youdon't have a head? Does work?
Because I use that on Lily earlier. Ye, yeah, she get there's
(38:55):
not a Southern dog in the inthe in the whole South. I didn't
understand that. So, Um,I was Riley I was. We were
getting ready to come do the show. Him fellow walked down and said,
hey, I was over at togun smith and UM told me to come
up here and get get this thingregistered. Just getting the system so he
can get my my barrel uh weldedand pins or something else. Yeah,
(39:21):
and how's everything going over there withCoult the gunsmith man. I've seen some
just some incredible work, um,come out of the shop over there.
He is he is excellent. Um, I will say that he is excellent.
He Uh he just texted me heuh installed a um it's called a
e A Brown Hicks accurizer on myRuger number one that I just had rebarreled
(39:47):
and all that good stuff. Andhe put the accurizer installed it on there
and for me, uh, beyondmy capabilities, I would I would miss
something up. I don't even knowwhat. I'll show you plain it to
you. It's a it's a deviceyou attached to the basically the barreled action
that allows you to tension the barrel. It's a single shot rifle and and
(40:14):
yes, um, but anyway,it's it's a device that allows you to
change the harmonics and tension the barrel. And it's uh it I get the
concept. Yeah, instead of freefloating the barrel, which there is no
way to free float a barrel ona single shot rifle because it has to
have some kind of attachment point upat the front to hold onto on your
(40:35):
four end. This allows you toto to do that to tension it so
that you don't have which when you'reshooting a rifle and you want to shoot
accurately, keep your hand off thebarrel when you used to do some things.
Don't rest the barrel on the onthe edge of the tree stand or
on the don't let the barrel touchanything. Right. But when we were
I was playing around on a sniperteam back in the day, you know,
(40:55):
we get we get on all theseweird positions and do stuff, and
next thing, you know, you'dfind yourself because you know, like on
the peak of a roof trying notto slide down the roof when you're sitting
on a call out for eight hadgum hours because a guy won't come out
of the house and you're hanging onto the peak of the roof trying not
to slide off, and you findyourself, Okay, I got a rifle
(41:15):
here, it's on it's on myjacket here, and I'm in this weird
position. I'd literally have my handholding the barrel just keep from you know,
using the rifle as a hook tokeep from sliding off. I'm going,
well, I hoop, I don'tactually have to pull the tracker,
probably shoot two feet low. Yeah, anything that people people absolutely a lot
of people don't realize that any kindof any kind of tension pressure, any
(41:37):
of that stuff on a on agun barrel can can very much affect your
accuracy or your point of impact.Ye. So you know, if in
wooden stocks traditionally back in the daywere problematic if you didn't if you didn't
free float the barrel, if youdidn't go in and relieve some of the
stock up there around the barrel,so you could, you know, slide
a piece of paper or dollar billor whatever in there that would wood and
(42:00):
the humidity and the heat would wouldever so slightly. He changed that ten
he also last week. He justI kind of like having him there because
then go, hey, hey,I wonder how much he's doing for you
versus making money for us, sincesince you was here. Uh yeah,
I would stock gun that. Ihad him do the uh class bedded free,
(42:20):
fluided the whole, put the tenmeal tape on the barrel, and
he actually I actually got him tothreat the barrel for the for my suppressor
and the whole. That buffalo hornwork he did for you, And that
was that was Coal Sims. Coaldid that Cole Sims in our shop,
who was an absolute artist? Yes? Uh did an end. Yeah,
(42:42):
the story was that he is acrash, he's done, he does some
really cool other words, an artist. I just heard Cole Cole I heard.
Yeah. So so the story withthis I don't actually pay a lot
of attention to jad. I justI cat cast the fringes of it and
I go, okay, this isthis, this sounds cool. Yeah,
I don't really care. So thisgun. I kind of came by this
(43:07):
gun and uh and didn't Yeah,yeah, absolutely it was. It was
legal. I bought it from somebodythat that had inherited it from somebody else,
and we didn't even know what itwas chambered in. It's a Ruger
number one that had a barrel onit, and it had been re barrel
at some point in time in itslife. It had a Sacho barrel so
Finnish Finland, a barrel made inFinland on a rug Ruger rifle made in
(43:31):
America. And to this I stilldon't know what it was chamber and didn't
care. It was some little tinytwenty two caliber something or other, and
I wanted something usable, so Iactually sent it off to out to Oregon
to have a have a barrel puton it by a company called pack Nor
that makes really nice Uh. I'mat huh what's his name of pack Nor,
(43:54):
like Pacific North. So I gota pack Nor barrel put on their
match grade in two seventy's something Ican deer hunt with, and uh it
did. The gun had leaned upagainst the wall and somebody's hunting cabin next
to a woodburning stove, and ithad charred the wood. Uh, I
burned the wood. So Cole wentin there and did a relief on there
(44:14):
and cut all the charring out ofthere, and in set some buffalo horn
uh in there, and then carvedthe deer in the deer on one side
and a bear on the other.And it's it turned out that looks like
it was meant to be. Yeah, turned out gorgeous, but so that
he needed another two seventy hunting rifle. Yeah, because he's he's rifle poor.
(44:37):
I am, I'm I am riflepoor. But uh but yeah,
it turned out really well. There'sa picture of a print just so you
know what we're talking about. Butuh, classic classic firearm. It's the
ruged number ones. I've never hadone. This is my first one.
Always wanted one. Um. ButColt Howard, our gunsmith, um is
(44:57):
just every time he's you know,I see everything that kind of goes in
and comes out of the shop overthere, and he continues to impress me.
They say, I'll bring you somestuff. Let's cover pistol brace in
case law real quick. Yeah,Fifth District Court of Appeal. So there's
on the end of this month,which is I guess the thirty. First,
(45:19):
the amnesty for your free I'm notgoing to call it registration or form
one short barrel or whatever. Ifyou have a pistol brace, the government
was offering for free to if yousend them a picture and description of what
you have. They were offering togive you a free letter of exemption saying
it was okay for you to haveit. Here's a picture in my felonious
(45:42):
rifle that you've already determined as against. It's against a lot of half.
So here's the picture. Yeah,and they were in in exchange for you
sending them pictures of what you had, they were going to send you a
letter telling you it was okay foryou to have it. Not a tax
stamp, not a registrate, nota registered short barrel rifle. A yes,
you did not get attack stamp.You got to let her say and
you were you you're okay to havethat firearm and that configuration. That's it.
(46:06):
Well what if you're not, well, what if a lot of things,
I mean, there's what if theydetermined that it wasn't okay to have
they gonna send some my knock onyour door. Yeah, But then the
Fifth District Court of Appeal which isEast Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi ruled against
them being able to do this.They only ruled in the for the plaintiffs
in their case. But it's Ikind of see that as the first dominant
(46:30):
and the fifth District does not includeus, right, So yeah, if
it, But it's the first federalcourt that ruled against the first case that
made it all the way to thejudges, and the judges immediately struck it
down and said, no, y'allcan't do that. Well, they just
over the Supreme Court just overturned someEPA stuff where the Biden administration did some
over each saying the EPA can't writelaw in essence, and so maybe you
(46:52):
know it gets up there that samething on atf And we will see y'all
next week. B
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