May 18, 2024 • 51 mins
In today's episode, the gang is back together and welcomed Dennis Taylor from Laser Shot Simulations to discuss situational training and some of the high-quality tools and resources that they offer to make you and your family secure.
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And welcome to the town out doorshut please mit. I'm Charlie, I'm
true, I d grant. Wehave a new voice. And they say,
hey, Paul, Paul, wewe uh count Paul sitting over there
in the in the uh the greenroom, which is kind of the ten
extension. We don't have. We'renot sophisticated. We don't really have a
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green room. We have a wehave a over there on the couch,
casting couch. That thing reclines.Paul, you feel free taking out.
I don't want this nothing. Helooks comfortable. I tell you you must
have give it to me, becauseI have been living on my wheil the
last two or three nights. No, I didn't have a I walked in
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here and all of a sudden Ihad a call. I give it to
you. Then today Dad, comeit quit that? So Fred? You
follow the golfing world. Wasn't theresome news? I woke up to some
news this morning kind of tickled mea little bit. Well, Scotty apparently
got confused about where he's supposed togo around the traffic. There was an
accident at the PGA Championship up inKentucky. Fatality. Yeah, guy died
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and I guess thetastic. Usually whathappens when that works out, probably some
Fred Conrad esquire crip business cards allover the scene. I tried to get
there droll drop, Yeah, putthe drone in there this morning when I
heard and so he was going,and I guess he got confused to where
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he's supposed to go, and acop attached himself to the car as the
way the story reads, started yellingand screaming at him, and he got
out of the car like whoa,whata what? And they slammed him upside
the car and hauled him to Jaybooked him for assault on the cop,
which I don't think is going tostand well unless he tried to run over
him. I mean, if thecop attached himself to the car as he
went by, and then they said, well he assaulted me. They said
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it was like ten yards. Imean, you know, it's kind of
like falling on the knife, youknow, cases hod he get that knife
in his back? I fell onit. No, fifteen times that had
gone literally, you tell the showstarted. That dog got off of the
couch, walked over here on hertable, farted on us again and went
back. What is it right?Underneath you, Fred. Okay, all
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right, I'm glad I'm stopped up. Man. Well that's the way to
start off the show, all right, So that is all right. Now
I want to get in something serious, but it's kind of hard to do
when you can't breathe. She didn'tdo that all the way over today.
We drove an hour to get here, and I didn't smell the thing,
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and she's, well, we founda way to get Fred quiet for a
little while. So let's move onto something. Then you need some fresh
air, you need to No,no, I've seen that look before you
to go outside? Brother, Wellit was a dead bird and a bird
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fountain, and I could. Imean, it had me down for about
thirty minutes, did bird? Imean he'd write it up. Then you
remember that story he was telling usabout that stinky stuff. Oh yeah,
this, this this is the manright here? Yeah? Wow, do
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you have a source? Do youhave a source for that stinky sprace?
I can probably arrange to get some. Well yeah, but right now he's
he's not looking to. If Ineed to pay you in advance, I
will happily do that to get youwant to tear him outside? Yeah?
Oh lord, Okay, let's changethe subject and then we'll get off of
that. Speaking speaking of speaking ofthe whole thing in Kentucky. Up there,
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I was watching some I was mildlypaying attention to some TV show on
the colt. Have you ever seenthat show called It's just this Video Clips
from all over and it can be? I mean, they had guys sky
diving and all that stuff, andthey did one with a drone and it
was a teenage boy that had hima drone in some city somewhere, and
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there was some girl sunbathing on theroof of the roof of a building with
no clothes on, and he flewthat drone over there and she happened to
I guess he got close enough towake her up with it, and she
run over and grabbed a broom,grabbed a broom, so you get a
video, the video of her chasingthe drown around with the broom, trying
to hit it and hold her theolder towel, but she was holding the
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holding her something over herself and swingingthe broom. As funny as all I
thought of you, Fred, Ididn't, I mean, they had it
all blurred out everything I could tell, but had it all blurred out everything.
But I immediately thought of Fred withhis drone, and you know that's
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that's when, that's when I gotit. That's valid, right, I
mean, as long as you don'twell, you know, the law in
Florida is if you record UH somewherein a place where they have an expectation
of procy, you got problems.You got problems. But if you're looking
at it live, yeah, youcan look at it live all day long.
What I do neighbor built a pool, I got a drum. All
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right. So, so we havewe've got some serious stuff we need to
cover in this week's show. Soand so silly stories and jokes and stuff,
they're going to happen, but Iwant to focus last week's show,
we were talking about a tragedy thatoccurred here in our region. And if
you want to know the details,go back to that show. Look on
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the internet. You can look atall that stuff. But JD nine and
Paul and Grant and we were missingFred. I wish you'd have been here
for that show. But we're talkingabout the need for better law enforcement training,
better civilian training, and on thatwe talk about UH situation based scenario
based anything from force on force,but less force on force and more situational
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based training. Because in our classes, if you've been if you've been to
our training at Taalan, any ofour if you're into tens of thousands of
people that have been through our basicentry level training, you have been through
either back in the beginning, youwent through Force on Force with their software.
We did situations and talked about whenyou could and could not use deadly
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force and what was the appropriate levelof force and the illegalities involved, and
we moved on. After a while, we found a really cool machine at
one of the shots shows called laserShot, and laser Shot, which is
now Laser Shot Simulations Correct, isa company, and we watched that company
of all from their first machines tothe point where it got really cool,
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but we weren't ready to take thestep to the next level, make a
finace commitment to do this and upgrade. And we've looked at other systems over
the years, but laser Shot isthe one we're most familiar with, and
that machine in our classroom has situations, has video based stuff where it's like
a big video game, but it'svideos of real people doing scenarios and they
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branch and when you shoot the screen, it scores the hit. It shows
where the hit was. There's zonesthat will make the person in the video
fall down, there's different there's andit's very, very expansive. And the
value of that to us over theyears has been that we can tell you
what the loss says, and thenwe can put you in situations and scenarios
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and we can see if you canapply the laws of the real world with
a little bit of stress and oculation. Because we talk about critical incident stress,
we talk about the importance of stressand oculation. We do it through
peer pressure and scenarios. And inall that, we've started to watch de
tech knowlogy evolve and in the lastweek's conversation we decided to delve off into
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it a little bit deeper, andso we had Dennis Taylor DT come in
and talk to us about their newestequipment. It just happened that you were
you were actually reaching out to usat the same time we were considering this,
and we are in the process now. We are going to commit today
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to upgrade our system to the newest, coolest stuff. Maybe not the the
state, not the we're not fixinga drop one hundred grand or anything,
but you know, we're getting intothe coolest stuff going. And uh then
in the time we got left andwe're going to have you for the next
couple of segments, but tell usa little bit about uh, your involvement
in your industry. Yeah. Absolutely, First and foremost, I want to
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thank y'all for having me at theshow today. Uh, And this is
a very important uh situation, SoI want to cover it and want to
tell you a little bit about simulation. I want to tell you about high
risks, highly probable uh situations basedon the scenario that that you're going to
have in your interaction. And wewere looking enough to come out yesterday and
meet with Charlie and JD and Ithink they're impressed, and we'll take a
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deeper dive in that a little bitlater, but definitely uh something interesting for
law enforcement, for next level shooters, and uh, you know, I'm
really excited about it. So yourbackground is in corrections in law enforcements and
training and into in different industries andyou've you've managed and have been part of
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this stuff over time. And wecome back, we're talking a little bit
more about your background and what we'regoing to be doing with you guys,
and what you guys offer as aproduct, because I got to tell you,
Uh, laser ships like the coolestthing going. I mean, I
love using that stuff to train andso we'll be back in just a minute.
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to Dennis Taylor. I've been callingyou, Dennis, but everybody you work
with, everybody calls me. That'show I'm known. I mean, over
twenty years of high liability instruction,mass instructor and many things. You know,
that's what everybody calls me. Probablytraining. I was very passionate about
defensive tactics. So you were withwhat agencies you worked well. I started
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off way back in the day,I want to say it was around eighty
seven with the Department of State underJim Smith. Got a real base knowledge
of private investigations CGSDC, understanding ofrap sheets and so forth for concealed carry
applications and folks that would apply forapplications, and I did that screening process
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for approval or disapproval. From there, I went over to the floor Department
of Law Enforcement under I think itwass Tim Moore at the time, he
was the commissioner, and so Iserved there five years with professionalism, and
we did the State of Florida LawEnforcement creestions, cruction, probation examination for
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everyone that went through the Academy.They had to take that state exam,
which was implemented way back in July, I want to say of nineteen ninety
three. I believe it was whenit rolled out that had to take in
years. That was after me.I did have to go back and take
it last year, right to getmy standards back. Yeah, yeah,
ninety seven month. Yep, it'sstill instant. You should have studied two
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hundred. Huh had a two hundred. Well, you spend twenty five thirty
years in the business, you kindof learned the material anyway. Absolutely,
sorry, I digress. And thenI went over to the Florida Apartment Corrections
and her Secretary singletary was appointed thereand oversaw their training. We had twenty
six thousand employees, nineteen thousand certifiedlaw enforcement correction correction probation. I served
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my time there almost twenty years,for a total of thirty years. I
retired twenty fifteen. Went over.I actually had no plan, thought about
just bigging a hole, maybe alawn service or something, and I got
a call from ALSM Tech out ofPerry, Florida, and they asked me
to step up and run their rangefacility over there, which was absolutely,
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you know opportunity. It's like acrazy place of us. That's the heck
of an opportunity. That's very nice. I remember hearing about all that RCK
in the day. I didn't knowyou were got that saw. Yeah,
And so I ran that and Ibuilt almost seventeen agencies over there that would
come over and do anything from highliability training, long distance one mile shooting
to six hundred meters to one hundredyards two twenty fives. We had a
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full jail cell that we could bangflood OC became a mass instructor with my
background over there with chemical comnitions.The company then sold I want to say
it was around twenty seventeen eighteen,and a company came in pay some Defense
International, and we went into thefour point thirty high explosives and we did
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a lot of testing and evaluation thereand basically you know, a laser shot.
Well that's interesting too. So intwenty twenty one I retired again and
I was sitting on a dog fishingand I had a phone call from a
laser shot and a young man namedPage Manard, which was the CEO of
a laser shot, and he said, asked me what I was doing.
I told him I was fishing,and he asked me to come over to
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Panama City over there to the AirForce base and to look at a connect
that we dropped and we do livefire training. It was for lanes elevated
platform for rangemaster and just you know, state of the art live fire stuff.
And I was like wow, becauseI'm like you, Charlie. I
had always had the laser shot stimulationsince two thousand and five and had that
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experience, but I had no ideahow large laser shot was and what the
capability was. So I was atAFE and then I flew to Texas and
started off as a ten ninety nineand base they had talked me into going
full time with them and got intosales shortly after and just boom. So
the other day you were talking aboutgoing to Japan, going overseas doing all
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kinds of stuff. Laser Shot haslaser shots gotten big. Laser shot is
very big. Just to touch brieflyon that is, we have a commercial
market, we have a law enforcementmarket, we have a military market,
we have an international market, andthen we have that live live fire market
as well. So we've got alarge also print So our world where we
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live is about primarily scenario based training. So talk a little bit about what
laser shot has to offer in thescenario based world. Okay, in the
scenario based world, you know,they've been known as related to scenarios and
interaction with law enforcement and high liability, highly probable, high risk situations where
officers interact with the system and theyhave to make a decision based on the
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way back of the use of forcemajor to where we are now with the
totality of circumstances, and those totalityof circumstances as we know, based on
all the factors, has the officerhaving to make that independent decision making within
split seconds. And that's the parta lot of the general public don't understand.
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They have to take their training,their scenario based training that they've experienced
and put all that into an applicationto formulate the right response. And this
training through laser shot allows you toexperience that through stress and oculation, understanding
and then going back and saying,okay, hey Charlie, right now,
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what I want you to do iswrite this report out of the who,
what, when, we're why andhow and then be able to articulate and
see what they saw, what theyheard, what the command presence was,
if there was any at all,and then you can go back in replay
that scenario to capture what the officeractually performed, what they did. And
so that's the strongest I guess,you know, criticism that one could receive
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to understand what they wrote and whatthey thought they did but didn't do,
but then also understand with the instructor, you know, understanding, hey,
here's what you actually did. Andso that playback in that experience is really
enhancing officers as related. So mostlaw enforcement officers now State of Florida does
in fact mandate scenario based training,situational based training, or decision based training.
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I forget how they phrase it CGGESTC, but it is required. It
is. But most of us knowthat most agencies that don't have the resources,
don't have the training staff, don'thave the level of instructors or thesibility
to maintain that end up. Sowell, shoot the shoot the white target
instead of the black target downrange andthey say, okay, that was decision
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based training. They tried to correcttarget. That happens. I know what
happened. I've seen it. Happen. I've actually done that. Yeah,
yes, and so there's ways aroundthat which I think short chain just the
process the spirit of those rules andthat law, and the problem is is
that most agencies don't have the levelof instructor, the people with the experience,
the training, and the equipment todo it with. And so kind
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of what we were doing here islooking for the next level of equipment so
that we might be able to providethat to those agencies that can afford it.
That's you know, on our partis talent training laser shot. So
laser shot primarily provides the tools,yes, and the the or the familiarization
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with those tools, and then allowsagencies to build out their own training and
stuff like that. True, Yeah, to that, To that point,
I mean with j t S,you have JTS editor which allows the what
is GTS then it's judgmental training systems. So it allows the officers the agency
to build their content based on theirspecific need, whether they want to deploy
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you know, their SOP standard operationprocedures or their policies within that and they
keep that content with them. Weprovide the training to do that, and
we also train them how to dothe video production and so forth. Now,
laser Shots big on partnerships. They'rebig on relationships as related to and
I think JD and I were talkinga little bit yesterday and you as well
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about you know, partnerships that wantto do that based on specific needs and
share that and we're all about that. And it's a wash. It helps
you, it helps me, andit's a crawl, walk, run process.
So we really like those types ofprocesses. We have one down in
Santa Fe College where Director Tom Ackermankind of oversees that college. Down there.
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We have five systems and it's sortof like a satellite site for Laser
Shot and we work with subject matterexperts, uniformed officers that go through those
hypothetical high risk situations with different outcomes, different branching and it works really well.
And then we roll that content outbased on those you know somewhat you
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know, objectives driven, but westay away from SOPs and ppds, right
if that makes sense. Well,if you get an SOPs things like specific
stuff, it's hard. FEOD offerplatform that does that, but you give
a tool to the agency so theycan work within their own SOPs, their
people can instruct that's the same thingwhen we're teaching. I go out and
do an active shooter course for Associationfor the State of Florida or something.
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You know, I don't get inthere their SOPs procedures, their emergency action
plan. If they tell me aboutit, we'll discuss it. But primarily
we're covering the ten thousand foot viewstuff, and then look around and pick
out some specifics. You go toan agency to train, maybe they don't
have tasers, or maybe they don'thave pepper spray, or maybe they don't
you know, correct. So Ilike. What I like about your tool
is you have the capability to actuallyturn the lights off in scenarios and force
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them to use a flashlight to eliminatethe scene. You can use AR fifteen's
you know, your your enforced typestuff. You can use the I mean
there are shot guns you've got,you know, sig pistol of the three
twenty series of pistol land the glocksthat will work in holsters so that they're
using their duty gear. There's thatif you want to go all the way,
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you can put you can put yourtasers in their in their hands,
or they can use their agency tasersin a mode where they're not actually firing
a cartridge that they're screen unless absolutelywant to. And you can steer this
with the tablet that you're working off, and you can you know, if
they give verbal commands, you canforce the video with branch to compliance or
or let it play out, andit's beyond the beyond the machine. I
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think the real value is because becausea good instructor needs tools, and you're
providing the best tool that I've seenfor really good instructors. And so instructors
are always looking for if I couldmake it through this, I've had it
to this, and you guys havedone a really good job of providing that
to the instructors. But you stillneed the instructor because you can run scenarios
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and go, Okay, you ranit, you shot the guy, and
then you just let them walk off. And that's not scenario based training.
You're not providing feedback. You're notworking with them to help adjust their thinking,
you know, and you're not talkingabout you're not talking about stress dynamics,
and you know, you're not discussingOkay, tunnel vision, auditory exclusion,
all the things that Colonel Grossman talksabout and how our brains work under
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stress. There is so much toit and as somebody j Dy and I've
been training people for a long timein a habit tool that actually helps us
teach that material. It is awesomeand we'll be back in that. Just
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from our laser shot scenario based trainingdiscussion just for a minute, because this
is our bottom of the hour Wiregrasslive segment that anybody can stream. But
anyway, so you know, I'mgetting back into farming a little bit,
and I'm trying to plant some pasture. And I talked to my uncle and
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so we don't mow all that pastures, just spray it. I don't have
a sprayer. And I went shoppingand oath and the other day and I
told John Hollis I'd give him ashout out at ashe pray. I went
up there to buy you have asprayer. I went up there to buy
a sprayer and he said. Theystarted showing me some pictures of some sprayers
and I said, that's the poolbehind that's like crazy complicated. This is
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one of old three point hits thing. And he told me what he had
cost. And I said, youknow, Jadi and I we want to
talent. Range went oh yeah,well yeah heard next thing, you know,
I said, we have one ofthose like that. He goes,
we'll go get it and bring itup here. So I drove it back
up there and he goes, Isaid, dust control in it. Dan
put that thing on the range towater grass with what the grass has been
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growing I think's been sitting there foryears. And he said, uh yeah,
if you just let me, letme turn that into a boomless prayer
for you. And man, theywent in there and they sell all the
parts. They can do all kindsof crazy stuff in there. And so
shout out to axe Pray John Hollisand his folks for putting together a really
nice rick for a reason. Amountof money saved, saved a lot of
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money. And uh so, nowdry creek farms pastures be sprayed by axe
pray equipment right there, just offof the circle and growing grass. What's
up growing grass? I'm gonna begrowing grass. He might need you service,
I think you might if I hatelisten. If they made that and
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that was the way to make money, then I would be renting some land
down the road where I couldn't smellit. You call me if you need
to burn the property, just callme. Now, now I got to
figure out whether I'm on plant Pensacola, Tiff nine, Argentine or tiff quick.
You know now the right now,if you grow behea any strain of
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behea grass, don't expect me tocome visit. So when the world ends,
the game plan is for JD tocome over there so we can defend
the perimeter and and shoot anybody comesin and tries to take. But the
problem is is now it's gonna besurrounded by hundreds of acres of the one
grass he's allergic. So man,I am so, I am so well
allergic to behea grass I had whenI was when I was a deputy sheriff,
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occasionally you had to drive in placesthat had knee high behea graphs.
Ago when that stuff forks out inBlooms, I've had to go home from
work because I had to drive acrossthe interstate median through the beheo grass really
and get in the car with meand it just it will literally close my
eyes, swell my eyes shut.You don't carry your EpiPen. No,
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I had never had to have anEpiPen. That's usually about about three about
three, uh benadrill and take careof it. But then I got when
I'm asleep for sixteen hours. I'venever laughed at JD's medical situations, like
when it got to cramp in SouthDakota, Yes, she did? You
left? You left you care around. I get an allergic reaction that nobody
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knows where it is, but hadone year on Christmas Eve, I got
allergic reaction and I didn't want toshoot myself with that thing because they hurt.
Yeah, my mother in law's anurse. I gave it to her
to shoot it. She had turnedaround and turned around the wrong way and
shot herself with that EpiPen and uhshe she didn't go to sleep till New
Year's either. Did you ever geta shot? I can go back Dad's
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as I had to ride back tomy house to go get another EPI pen
and shoot myself. And what wasallergic to? Nobody knows. I get
these little reactions every now and then. For gsp fart could be a boy,
old boy. It's just that Icould bottle that Christmas gift something there.
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If you could bottle that, weprobably could sell it to somebody that
would uh well, apparently they domake it in the can somewhere. Oh,
I've seen that you can buy itlike Spencer's. Yeah, what's that
stuff called? I believe if I'mnot gonna say, I mean, you
know, it's not good on myback end. But it's nasty, you
know, yea, it makes somestuff as nasty nasty rear ends right right,
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that's it. They make stuff tokeep deer off of you plants.
It's called liquid fence. Yes,I've used them. It works. I'll
tell you what. Rotten eggs.Well, there we go. That's all
I needed to know right there.That's that reaction sprayed the roses the other
day, and I mean yaking inthe back. So any prosecutor out there
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So when we discontinue a conversation aboutsituation based training, and we were talking
a little bit about the different weaponssystems or available a laser shot, but
you it's not just whether to shootsomebody or not. It's about de escalation,
which is one of the things that'smandatory now in law of law enforcement
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training is de escalation training, andit's a way to do that and you
can steer these scenarios. Also,it's about less lethal weapons, things that
don't involve you actually using deadly force, and that where and here's one of
the advantages that I see of usingthis over scenario based training where it's force
on force or using semmunitions, whichis an awesome tool for like active shooter
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drills and things like that. Theyhurt and it is really you want to
talk about stressing oculation, you startdoing simunitions and things, you know,
any of that stuff where it's reallyputs a whelp on you. That's real
true stress and oculation, but handledproperly. The scenario based training with a
machine like laser shot is that Idon't have to have a safety officer lined
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up at the door patting everybody down. I've got to I don't have to
keep everybody in a room, youknow, with no weapons, no ammunition.
I don't have to have multiple roleplayers involved. It is a major
production. Even do like a flashcardtype scenarios where you just turn around and
you see something and you engage andthen you go on and move to the
next person. With this, you'reable to bring people in. You can
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put everybody in a room, oryou can put one or two people in
a room and observe a little peerpressure, little stress, and you can
run these and you can go backand see where they hit, what they
did, debrief, run it againexactly as it was the first time.
See if they can do it betterthis time. Branch it off, turn
it into something else. Says whatthat guy's pulling a pistol and know he's
pulling a sollf on. So there'sa lot of things that you can do,
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but on less lethal and how wouldyou use this for like de escalation
training? So I mean again,there's all kind of hypothetical high risk situations
where they may show up in thescenario as a domestic violence situation where the
guy's got a weapon, you know, and he releases the hostage, but
then he takes the weapon and putsit on his self, and you know
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he's looking for suicide by cop,etc. But you show up at the
forty millimeter round blay or twelve gaugetwelve twelve te or a react round and
there's an opportunity to presents itself thatyou could possibly utilize that impact rep weapon
to de escalate that situation from itbeing a deadly force encounter or strong verbal
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commands. So we try to providethose tools to the agency based on the
scenarios, based on their specific need, and we make those available. So
the agency could buy the forty millimeterfrom us, or they could buy the
actual forty millimeter round the shotgun,you know with with the different bore thunders
versus the sound that we experienced yesterdaya little bit with JD and the team,
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we had the gunshot box, whichalso does that self inoculation. It
will, it will, it'll,it'll really change that psychological, physicological response.
It sounds like it sounds like agunshot. It does. I mean
it push up, No, youpush a button. They found out yesterday
what happens when you start when gunshotstart going off around me? Yeah,
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we got JD and I forgot probablywhat a good idea, almost got drawn
down on. Yeah, that musclemove kicks in, it trains, it
does. I knew what was happening. You said, I'm on fire this
thing. Be careful and set itoff and it's still it tweaked a couple
of nerves I go in that regard. What it's doing is simulating somebody shooting
you. It sounds like a gunshotright there in the room with you.
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Boom, and it's there's flash andsound and you know it's it's yeah,
it's it's very very realistic. Imean, another tool for active shooter drills.
Even if you weren't using it withlaser shot, if you were doing
like active shooter drills with simunitions,you could have that and simulate bang bang
bang bang bang, and then nowyou know you're going to that active shooter
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that instead of having the fire blanksand do things like that. And there's
so many different ways you can usethese tools. And it brings me back
to a point that I wanted tomake before we close out, is it's
having a tools one thing. It'slike going to a mechanic. He's got
a good set of tools, buthe's never a mechanic before, okay,
or he kind of shade tree mechanics, and you want them to work on
your your electric car, and thatain't what he's used to working on.
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That's uh, having the right instructorhaving the people who have actually have experienced
one experience in doing the job toexperience and training this stuff and understanding the
scenarios and the different way the entiregamut of use of force from rival on
scene to how to de escalate,how to talk to people professionalism using the
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correct professional you know, the waythat using the right phrases, how to
how to give use a command voice, you know how to to to do
all these things. And then ifbut we can take a scenario it was
a shooter, don't shoot scenario,or whether it branches or not, you
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can use it incorrectly and actually reinforcethe idea that a lot like we're trying
to get law enforcement to use lessfor the force only when necessary, absolutely
necessary to save lives. But ifyou use the scenarios incorrectly and you don't
know what you're doing, you canactually encourage law enforcement officers to shoot faster,
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because if you put them in ano win situation, they and it's
a quick draw contest, and that'sall it is. It's the scenario is
a quick draw contest to make theminute he makes a furtive movement, it's
all you can do to draw andshoot faster than that guy in the scenario
does if you put them in thatSo you're actually encouraging officers to shoot faster
when we really need to be encouragingofficers to shoot with more discretion, more
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accurate control, to be more incontrol, and they're not going in the
situation. So amped up that Iwas talking with my stepmother last night and
about a situation that occurred here wetalked about in the last show. And
she goes, well, those officersreally need to go home, and that's
the most important thing. And Isaid, yeah, but it's not.
It's really it's not. We swearwe have a sworn duty to protect the
public, and ourselves obviously want togo home. But the fact is is
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that when we cannot put ourselves ina position where we go out and take
lives when it's not justified. Ifa person and I mentioned her, I
said, I if you answered thedoor atnight, you're gonna do it with
a gunning hands. She shauld probably. I said, so if a deputy
comes here and shoot, shoot,we would be very upset about that and
that would not be justified. Shegoes, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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say who is it and I'm gonnastop at the door and I'm gonna I
want to make sure I know whoit is before I open the door.
And I said, exactly yes,And the young man should have done that,
but he didn't know who it was, and so there's a lot of
things that could have happened. Theseare discussions that we have in scenario bus
training. This is stuff that wetalk about well. And to your point,
you know, I'm going to saywhen I came in yesterday and I
spent some time talking with y'all,visiting with y'all, and you already having
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a laser shot, you know thisis the place to get trained. I
was thoroughly impressed. I called theCEO of the company a laser shot and
I said, they are doing somethingright here and we need to be part
of it. And but you're absolutelyright into your pin points and uh and
that's what we need to do,and that give the laser shot, gives
us that availability for that uh,you know, instructor the high libility instructor
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to work with their students to helpthem. So absolutely onnred percent agree with
what you say. So what we'regoing to be doing here is UH as
soon as we get our hands onthis new system, we're going to go
portable. We're going to go outin the world, I think, and
we if people want to bring youknow, we've got good instructors here.
People want us to come to theirhome. People want us to come to
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their agency. We now have asystem or have a system here very shortly.
Our current system is portable. It'sjust portable ish. It's it's it's
got some years on it and ittakes a little while to set it up.
I was really amazed at how quickit was for you to go in,
take this thing out of a box, set it on the floor.
Uh, big screen. You canmake it smaller, depend on the wall
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size you have. It's it's it'suh. It's steps ahead of the older
system, the way it sets itselfup. And I watched the software work
and it's very similar to the otherone, but it's got some new features
and that's awesome. That's well,you figure you figure the software improvement in
eight years, you think I mightthink about the difference between our cell phone
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today and our cell phone the threegenerations that go, you know, I
mean, the technology is amazing.It's one of the things that separated us
from other people is you go geta training class in a lot of different
places, but here here at ourMidway facility in Tyler hassee all of our
basic classes include this. Well,there's a lot of people in the world
that can teach you how to shoot. Well, there's the difference is when
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to shoot when not to shoot?You know how to add I mean,
it's a whole different mindset than justshooting. Yep. So we're rolling into
this segment. We've got our PaulTire exclusive segment coming up after this,
but don't go anywhere, but DennisWane, thank you for being on the
show. We look forward to ourcontinuing and ever evolving partnership with Laser Shot.
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This is going to be really cool. And in the last segment,
we'll turn Fred Luce to do hisnormal stuff. He's just see him processing
this thought. There's something going onin there. So I'm wondering if they
could do this thing where you couldset it out where I could shoot a
pheasant out from under you. Yes, no, we do that in South
Dakota. That'll happen here in afew months. Well, thank hell for
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you raise your hands? Why doyou have to raise I'm just oh know,
you raised your hand and get no. I'm Arthur Writis man. My
hands are killing me. I don'tknow what was going on? Is that
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what it is? I thought itwas the fact stop raining? I mean
my fish feeders almost completely underwater now, yeah, like Comonia's still full.
Looked at Jackson lately, it's Iwent by there yesterday. It's actually coming
up a little bit because needs alot more water in it now. I
mean, could you put an outboardmurder right around in it? Right now?
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Oh yeah, just run the trailsfor sure. Okay, what about
jet ski you put that? Goodluck? That's that's not that's not a
bad thing. Man. I rememberwhen jet skis first came out on Lake
Jackson. I used to fish LakeJackson all the time, fishing night tournaments
and stuff. And you get outthere trying to fish, and those jet
skis have put in and you're ridingon there fishing a bank, you know,
(41:58):
fishing up against the grass line orsomething, or a lily peed line,
and the jet skis a run betweenyou and wherever you were fishing.
And so we started tying rattle trapson something I can throw a long way
with some treble hooks on the takecare of that. Yeah, whis won
by their ear. That's that's goodthing. I never hit anybody. You
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been catching a fish, pall,I tell you that have been biting pretty
good. We got a full mooncoming up this week. The mayflies are
hatching on Lake Seminole, And Itell you what, but the lake's got
a little dirty from all this dagurain we've been getting. It's ridiculous.
It's crazy. Your your place isfull, the Seminoles full pool. And
I know we got muddy water comingdown the Spring Creek and the Flint River
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arm of the lake and the Chattanoochee. So but you know, it's hopefully
it'll it'll clear up and this fishwill keep on biting. I did find
a pair of shoes that I thoughti'd get you the other day. Yeah,
do you think those nicer? Oh? I see it now, it's
not fish fish now that I thinkthe high heel, high heels like a
(43:10):
bash that must be got I ain'tnever seen nothing like that. Now,
well, I'm gonna wear it toYou said that, and I thought maybe
you were out shopping for yourself,say your alter ego for the weekend.
I think they look good. Anda pair of fish nets with me,
you dress up and drag and wearthose, you'd actually almost be as tall
as in that person. So,uh, you know, was that about
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a six inch here? Probably it'sgonna it's gonna be hard to share what
I got to share. But youknow, Paul took me an alley fishing
and we tore up the shell cracker, and I was we were was kind
of sitting there thinking about the waywe were fishing and the techniques we were
using and all this stuff. Anduh so I had Jim rodden reel place
in the building here. I hadJim build Paul a custom brimbuster, if
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you will, And I'm it's Igot it leaned up in the corner over
there. Let me see how Ican figure out how to do this.
Uh, Chris, real quick,somebody while I'm doing this. But it's
a it's a hybrid fly Okay,yeah, Charlotte, watch the tip over
there. Oh yeah that gun whathas it got two handles on it?
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For well fish? So that isan eight weight fly rod that breaks down
into four pieces and goes into alittle rod carrier. But it's uh,
it's it's about a ten foot aten foot long brim pole now and or
shell cracker pole. But you cantake that back bottom section off if you
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when you're sitting on a brim bedor sometimes you may change where you're fishing
and you don't need a ten footpole anymore. You want to pole.
So that's the same basically keeps thesame rig on, but you're making a
shorter a shorter brimbuster out of it, and uh instead of collapsing like a
brim buster. But the big thingis this is an eight weight fly rod,
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so it can handle what you're you'remore of a fly fisher than I
am. You could fish for tarpingwith this. Yeah, you could eight
weight without it without a tarp andbreak Turpin's not going to break that.
Eight weight rods are designed to bendat a lot of parabolic bend. But
you but you it's a lot ofstrength. So when you're catching pounds and
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a half pounding three quarters out ofthat grass, Yeah, shell cracker down
in a bunch of thick cover andgrass. You've got enough heft and the
rod has enough spine to to lifta pound and a half fish with another
pound. Hell yeah, you canhand it. I tell you now,
that is nice right there? Yeah, that been able to come up with
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the like that, I got itright there? How many times I've caught
shell cracker right underneath the boat,I mean right there, and you're backing
your rod up like this, tryingto hold a twelve foot you know what
I mean? Yeah, that isI know what you mean, because that's
I designed this rod with Jim's helpthere and came up with that. Man.
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I can that that is. Thatis has got your name on it,
and it's got a Bible verse onthere. Matthew, four nights,
I see four nineteen. I'll makeyour fissures of men. How about that?
I thank you so much, verywelcome. We'll get to get out
and test that this week, folks. We got a full moon coming up.
You got the mayflies are out therethere, and that means always when
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you see the mayflies. That meansbremmer on the bed, so definitely bremmer
bedding. Sholl cracker that we shouldbe had some shell cracker bedding this week
too, So now is a goodtime to get out and do something.
And the baths start moving into bass, start moving in to feed on the
smaller panfish. And right there,twenty third Thursday, that's my anniversary.
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That's a good day to go fishing, I think, so better known as
your wife's day of morning. Isay, what does your wife refer to
that day as? I don't know, but I'll be out there howling.
I'll tell you that. But youwhat you get out there? She's got
she's got a vacation playing without himthat day. Yeah, But for the
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bass this week, if anybody's coming, throw some frogs right now, hollow
belly frogs, popping frogs around thegrass, around the pepper grass beds.
There's there's a big bass, floatingfrogs, floating frogs. That's right,
all right. You gotta throw itwith braided line at least fifty pounds tests
I like to use sixty five myselfand a good seven foot seven foot three
heavy action rod. It's got maybea little a softer tip on it.
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But you can work that frog.And you got to have the backbone to
get them out of grass. SoI wonder if I threw a six way
flyer rod with maybe a popper onit, popping, that could work.
Yeah, I could work because itgot a lot of grass growing because with
the water's coming up and you can'tmove the grass. And she's got a
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lot of grass coming down, right, and you see him feeding around in
that grass. Something feeding around there. It's probably bass feeding on them.
Brim could be Yeah, sir,they need to be feeding on my lure.
That's right. You got to takesome time to go out there.
Maybe you can go to seven it. I think I might. They've got
front. We got weather coming inright before front. They'd be biting.
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I think they'd be biting tonight.They could. If I weren't going to
graduation, I'd come out there andyou graduating. Nope, My daughter is
oh okay and graduation sorry, proudof her. Where's you graduate from Thomasville?
Thomasville? Awesome? So we'll begoing to that this evening. Gradulations
to her? Yes, sir,did you get her a new fishing ride
for graduation? I sure did.I wouldn't expect anything. Thank you.
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We got all of that fun stuffgoing on in Leon County next week.
Yeah, I'm telling Paul, Idon't know what with all the tornadoes and
stuff coming through and they've had tomiss a couple of days of school and
make up some stuff and whatever.But yeah, Tater Tater graduates from from
eighth grade. I got to goto that commencement next week. She'd be
well great with Charlie be going intoUH to see. Jesse's going into her
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junior year at Mary in the HighSchool, and CJ is going. I
don't know, he's still in middleschool. He's to be thirteen this year.
I don't know which class. Yeah, he's I think he's got going
leaving six, going to seventh.I'm not mistaken. He's got an awards
ceremony coming up, one of thehonor rolls or something. They do all
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that stuff, and probably is whena young man turns thirteen, that's when
he begins his brain damage phase andit lasts still there about twenty six.
Well, I've seen I've seen I'veseen my I've seen some of my daughters
hit thirteen two, and it ain'tmuch better. It just depends on what
they got going on in their lives. But uh, it's a rough time
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sometimes for teenagers, boys and girlsor whatever else is out there. However,
they choosually, which is why it'sso important to get him involved in
the outdoors. In my in myvery humble opinion, get him involved in
something, outdoor sports, something,get them involved. I will tell I
I have seen. I've raised threedaughters, still raising one, and I
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can tell you for the parents outthere, the people who have intact homes,
broken homes, people there, thosekids respond to the way they're raised,
They respond to their environment, tothe way their parents get along to
There are so many things that peopleget so caught up in fighting and going
tooth and nail against their spouse asFred deals with this in his career a
(50:30):
lot, not in his personal lifeobviously, but the uh, it's it's
the way you, the way youare to your children and the environment they're
exposed to, and the hatred orthe love or all those things. It
directly affects those kids as they're comingup, and it points them in a
direction in their life. And Ilook back and I wish I had done
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some things better. And I've triedto get better and I've you know,
I do you whether you have anattact relationship or a broken relationship. When
I was talking to a good friendwe've been doing some stuff with lately,
and I heard him say, well, you know, yeah we're apart,
but you know I called her momon Mother's Day and this, and you
know the kids are better off forthat. Now. That's a hard thing
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to do sometimes, you know,but if you can do it, and
I'll leave you with that, youdon't have a great week to see I
And welcome to the town out doorshut please mit. I'm Charlie, I'm
true, I d grant. Wehave a new voice. And they say,
hey, Paul, Paul, wewe uh count Paul sitting over there
in the in the uh the greenroom, which is kind of the ten
extension. We don't have. We'renot sophisticated. We don't really have a
(00:26):
green room. We have a wehave a over there on the couch,
casting couch. That thing reclines.Paul, you feel free taking out.
I don't want this nothing. Helooks comfortable. I tell you you must
have give it to me, becauseI have been living on my wheil the
last two or three nights. No, I didn't have a I walked in
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here and all of a sudden Ihad a call. I give it to
you. Then today Dad, comeit quit that? So Fred? You
follow the golfing world. Wasn't theresome news? I woke up to some
news this morning kind of tickled mea little bit. Well, Scotty apparently
got confused about where he's supposed togo around the traffic. There was an
accident at the PGA Championship up inKentucky. Fatality. Yeah, guy died
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and I guess thetastic. Usually whathappens when that works out, probably some
Fred Conrad esquire crip business cards allover the scene. I tried to get
there droll drop, Yeah, putthe drone in there this morning when I
heard and so he was going,and I guess he got confused to where
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he's supposed to go, and acop attached himself to the car as the
way the story reads, started yellingand screaming at him, and he got
out of the car like whoa,whata what? And they slammed him upside
the car and hauled him to Jaybooked him for assault on the cop,
which I don't think is going tostand well unless he tried to run over
him. I mean, if thecop attached himself to the car as he
went by, and then they said, well he assaulted me. They said
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it was like ten yards. Imean, you know, it's kind of
like falling on the knife, youknow, cases hod he get that knife
in his back? I fell onit. No, fifteen times that had
gone literally, you tell the showstarted. That dog got off of the
couch, walked over here on hertable, farted on us again and went
back. What is it right?Underneath you, Fred. Okay, all
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right, I'm glad I'm stopped up. Man. Well that's the way to
start off the show, all right, So that is all right. Now
I want to get in something serious, but it's kind of hard to do
when you can't breathe. She didn'tdo that all the way over today.
We drove an hour to get here, and I didn't smell the thing,
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and she's, well, we founda way to get Fred quiet for a
little while. So let's move onto something. Then you need some fresh
air, you need to No,no, I've seen that look before you
to go outside? Brother, Wellit was a dead bird and a bird
(03:05):
fountain, and I could. Imean, it had me down for about
thirty minutes, did bird? Imean he'd write it up. Then you
remember that story he was telling usabout that stinky stuff. Oh yeah,
this, this this is the manright here? Yeah? Wow, do
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you have a source? Do youhave a source for that stinky sprace?
I can probably arrange to get some. Well yeah, but right now he's
he's not looking to. If Ineed to pay you in advance, I
will happily do that to get youwant to tear him outside? Yeah?
Oh lord, Okay, let's changethe subject and then we'll get off of
that. Speaking speaking of speaking ofthe whole thing in Kentucky. Up there,
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I was watching some I was mildlypaying attention to some TV show on
the colt. Have you ever seenthat show called It's just this Video Clips
from all over and it can be? I mean, they had guys sky
diving and all that stuff, andthey did one with a drone and it
was a teenage boy that had hima drone in some city somewhere, and
(04:12):
there was some girl sunbathing on theroof of the roof of a building with
no clothes on, and he flewthat drone over there and she happened to
I guess he got close enough towake her up with it, and she
run over and grabbed a broom,grabbed a broom, so you get a
video, the video of her chasingthe drown around with the broom, trying
to hit it and hold her theolder towel, but she was holding the
(04:34):
holding her something over herself and swingingthe broom. As funny as all I
thought of you, Fred, Ididn't, I mean, they had it
all blurred out everything I could tell, but had it all blurred out everything.
But I immediately thought of Fred withhis drone, and you know that's
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that's when, that's when I gotit. That's valid, right, I
mean, as long as you don'twell, you know, the law in
Florida is if you record UH somewherein a place where they have an expectation
of procy, you got problems.You got problems. But if you're looking
at it live, yeah, youcan look at it live all day long.
What I do neighbor built a pool, I got a drum. All
(05:21):
right. So, so we havewe've got some serious stuff we need to
cover in this week's show. Soand so silly stories and jokes and stuff,
they're going to happen, but Iwant to focus last week's show,
we were talking about a tragedy thatoccurred here in our region. And if
you want to know the details,go back to that show. Look on
(05:43):
the internet. You can look atall that stuff. But JD nine and
Paul and Grant and we were missingFred. I wish you'd have been here
for that show. But we're talkingabout the need for better law enforcement training,
better civilian training, and on thatwe talk about UH situation based scenario
based anything from force on force,but less force on force and more situational
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based training. Because in our classes, if you've been if you've been to
our training at Taalan, any ofour if you're into tens of thousands of
people that have been through our basicentry level training, you have been through
either back in the beginning, youwent through Force on Force with their software.
We did situations and talked about whenyou could and could not use deadly
(06:29):
force and what was the appropriate levelof force and the illegalities involved, and
we moved on. After a while, we found a really cool machine at
one of the shots shows called laserShot, and laser Shot, which is
now Laser Shot Simulations Correct, isa company, and we watched that company
of all from their first machines tothe point where it got really cool,
(06:55):
but we weren't ready to take thestep to the next level, make a
finace commitment to do this and upgrade. And we've looked at other systems over
the years, but laser Shot isthe one we're most familiar with, and
that machine in our classroom has situations, has video based stuff where it's like
a big video game, but it'svideos of real people doing scenarios and they
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branch and when you shoot the screen, it scores the hit. It shows
where the hit was. There's zonesthat will make the person in the video
fall down, there's different there's andit's very, very expansive. And the
value of that to us over theyears has been that we can tell you
what the loss says, and thenwe can put you in situations and scenarios
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and we can see if you canapply the laws of the real world with
a little bit of stress and oculation. Because we talk about critical incident stress,
we talk about the importance of stressand oculation. We do it through
peer pressure and scenarios. And inall that, we've started to watch de
tech knowlogy evolve and in the lastweek's conversation we decided to delve off into
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it a little bit deeper, andso we had Dennis Taylor DT come in
and talk to us about their newestequipment. It just happened that you were
you were actually reaching out to usat the same time we were considering this,
and we are in the process now. We are going to commit today
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to upgrade our system to the newest, coolest stuff. Maybe not the the
state, not the we're not fixinga drop one hundred grand or anything,
but you know, we're getting intothe coolest stuff going. And uh then
in the time we got left andwe're going to have you for the next
couple of segments, but tell usa little bit about uh, your involvement
in your industry. Yeah. Absolutely, First and foremost, I want to
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thank y'all for having me at theshow today. Uh, And this is
a very important uh situation, SoI want to cover it and want to
tell you a little bit about simulation. I want to tell you about high
risks, highly probable uh situations basedon the scenario that that you're going to
have in your interaction. And wewere looking enough to come out yesterday and
meet with Charlie and JD and Ithink they're impressed, and we'll take a
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deeper dive in that a little bitlater, but definitely uh something interesting for
law enforcement, for next level shooters, and uh, you know, I'm
really excited about it. So yourbackground is in corrections in law enforcements and
training and into in different industries andyou've you've managed and have been part of
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this stuff over time. And wecome back, we're talking a little bit
more about your background and what we'regoing to be doing with you guys,
and what you guys offer as aproduct, because I got to tell you,
Uh, laser ships like the coolestthing going. I mean, I
love using that stuff to train andso we'll be back in just a minute.
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to Dennis Taylor. I've been callingyou, Dennis, but everybody you work
with, everybody calls me. That'show I'm known. I mean, over
twenty years of high liability instruction,mass instructor and many things. You know,
that's what everybody calls me. Probablytraining. I was very passionate about
defensive tactics. So you were withwhat agencies you worked well. I started
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off way back in the day,I want to say it was around eighty
seven with the Department of State underJim Smith. Got a real base knowledge
of private investigations CGSDC, understanding ofrap sheets and so forth for concealed carry
applications and folks that would apply forapplications, and I did that screening process
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for approval or disapproval. From there, I went over to the floor Department
of Law Enforcement under I think itwass Tim Moore at the time, he
was the commissioner, and so Iserved there five years with professionalism, and
we did the State of Florida LawEnforcement creestions, cruction, probation examination for
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everyone that went through the Academy.They had to take that state exam,
which was implemented way back in July, I want to say of nineteen ninety
three. I believe it was whenit rolled out that had to take in
years. That was after me.I did have to go back and take
it last year, right to getmy standards back. Yeah, yeah,
ninety seven month. Yep, it'sstill instant. You should have studied two
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hundred. Huh had a two hundred. Well, you spend twenty five thirty
years in the business, you kindof learned the material anyway. Absolutely,
sorry, I digress. And thenI went over to the Florida Apartment Corrections
and her Secretary singletary was appointed thereand oversaw their training. We had twenty
six thousand employees, nineteen thousand certifiedlaw enforcement correction correction probation. I served
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my time there almost twenty years,for a total of thirty years. I
retired twenty fifteen. Went over.I actually had no plan, thought about
just bigging a hole, maybe alawn service or something, and I got
a call from ALSM Tech out ofPerry, Florida, and they asked me
to step up and run their rangefacility over there, which was absolutely,
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you know opportunity. It's like acrazy place of us. That's the heck
of an opportunity. That's very nice. I remember hearing about all that RCK
in the day. I didn't knowyou were got that saw. Yeah,
And so I ran that and Ibuilt almost seventeen agencies over there that would
come over and do anything from highliability training, long distance one mile shooting
to six hundred meters to one hundredyards two twenty fives. We had a
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full jail cell that we could bangflood OC became a mass instructor with my
background over there with chemical comnitions.The company then sold I want to say
it was around twenty seventeen eighteen,and a company came in pay some Defense
International, and we went into thefour point thirty high explosives and we did
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a lot of testing and evaluation thereand basically you know, a laser shot.
Well that's interesting too. So intwenty twenty one I retired again and
I was sitting on a dog fishingand I had a phone call from a
laser shot and a young man namedPage Manard, which was the CEO of
a laser shot, and he said, asked me what I was doing.
I told him I was fishing,and he asked me to come over to
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Panama City over there to the AirForce base and to look at a connect
that we dropped and we do livefire training. It was for lanes elevated
platform for rangemaster and just you know, state of the art live fire stuff.
And I was like wow, becauseI'm like you, Charlie. I
had always had the laser shot stimulationsince two thousand and five and had that
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experience, but I had no ideahow large laser shot was and what the
capability was. So I was atAFE and then I flew to Texas and
started off as a ten ninety nineand base they had talked me into going
full time with them and got intosales shortly after and just boom. So
the other day you were talking aboutgoing to Japan, going overseas doing all
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kinds of stuff. Laser Shot haslaser shots gotten big. Laser shot is
very big. Just to touch brieflyon that is, we have a commercial
market, we have a law enforcementmarket, we have a military market,
we have an international market, andthen we have that live live fire market
as well. So we've got alarge also print So our world where we
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live is about primarily scenario based training. So talk a little bit about what
laser shot has to offer in thescenario based world. Okay, in the
scenario based world, you know,they've been known as related to scenarios and
interaction with law enforcement and high liability, highly probable, high risk situations where
officers interact with the system and theyhave to make a decision based on the
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way back of the use of forcemajor to where we are now with the
totality of circumstances, and those totalityof circumstances as we know, based on
all the factors, has the officerhaving to make that independent decision making within
split seconds. And that's the parta lot of the general public don't understand.
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They have to take their training,their scenario based training that they've experienced
and put all that into an applicationto formulate the right response. And this
training through laser shot allows you toexperience that through stress and oculation, understanding
and then going back and saying,okay, hey Charlie, right now,
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what I want you to do iswrite this report out of the who,
what, when, we're why andhow and then be able to articulate and
see what they saw, what theyheard, what the command presence was,
if there was any at all,and then you can go back in replay
that scenario to capture what the officeractually performed, what they did. And
so that's the strongest I guess,you know, criticism that one could receive
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to understand what they wrote and whatthey thought they did but didn't do,
but then also understand with the instructor, you know, understanding, hey,
here's what you actually did. Andso that playback in that experience is really
enhancing officers as related. So mostlaw enforcement officers now State of Florida does
in fact mandate scenario based training,situational based training, or decision based training.
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I forget how they phrase it CGGESTC, but it is required. It
is. But most of us knowthat most agencies that don't have the resources,
don't have the training staff, don'thave the level of instructors or thesibility
to maintain that end up. Sowell, shoot the shoot the white target
instead of the black target downrange andthey say, okay, that was decision
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based training. They tried to correcttarget. That happens. I know what
happened. I've seen it. Happen. I've actually done that. Yeah,
yes, and so there's ways aroundthat which I think short chain just the
process the spirit of those rules andthat law, and the problem is is
that most agencies don't have the levelof instructor, the people with the experience,
the training, and the equipment todo it with. And so kind
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of what we were doing here islooking for the next level of equipment so
that we might be able to providethat to those agencies that can afford it.
That's you know, on our partis talent training laser shot. So
laser shot primarily provides the tools,yes, and the the or the familiarization
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with those tools, and then allowsagencies to build out their own training and
stuff like that. True, Yeah, to that, To that point,
I mean with j t S,you have JTS editor which allows the what
is GTS then it's judgmental training systems. So it allows the officers the agency
to build their content based on theirspecific need, whether they want to deploy
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you know, their SOP standard operationprocedures or their policies within that and they
keep that content with them. Weprovide the training to do that, and
we also train them how to dothe video production and so forth. Now,
laser Shots big on partnerships. They'rebig on relationships as related to and
I think JD and I were talkinga little bit yesterday and you as well
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about you know, partnerships that wantto do that based on specific needs and
share that and we're all about that. And it's a wash. It helps
you, it helps me, andit's a crawl, walk, run process.
So we really like those types ofprocesses. We have one down in
Santa Fe College where Director Tom Ackermankind of oversees that college. Down there.
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We have five systems and it's sortof like a satellite site for Laser
Shot and we work with subject matterexperts, uniformed officers that go through those
hypothetical high risk situations with different outcomes, different branching and it works really well.
And then we roll that content outbased on those you know somewhat you
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know, objectives driven, but westay away from SOPs and ppds, right
if that makes sense. Well,if you get an SOPs things like specific
stuff, it's hard. FEOD offerplatform that does that, but you give
a tool to the agency so theycan work within their own SOPs, their
people can instruct that's the same thingwhen we're teaching. I go out and
do an active shooter course for Associationfor the State of Florida or something.
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You know, I don't get inthere their SOPs procedures, their emergency action
plan. If they tell me aboutit, we'll discuss it. But primarily
we're covering the ten thousand foot viewstuff, and then look around and pick
out some specifics. You go toan agency to train, maybe they don't
have tasers, or maybe they don'thave pepper spray, or maybe they don't
you know, correct. So Ilike. What I like about your tool
is you have the capability to actuallyturn the lights off in scenarios and force
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them to use a flashlight to eliminatethe scene. You can use AR fifteen's
you know, your your enforced typestuff. You can use the I mean
there are shot guns you've got,you know, sig pistol of the three
twenty series of pistol land the glocksthat will work in holsters so that they're
using their duty gear. There's thatif you want to go all the way,
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you can put you can put yourtasers in their in their hands,
or they can use their agency tasersin a mode where they're not actually firing
a cartridge that they're screen unless absolutelywant to. And you can steer this
with the tablet that you're working off, and you can you know, if
they give verbal commands, you canforce the video with branch to compliance or
or let it play out, andit's beyond the beyond the machine. I
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think the real value is because becausea good instructor needs tools, and you're
providing the best tool that I've seenfor really good instructors. And so instructors
are always looking for if I couldmake it through this, I've had it
to this, and you guys havedone a really good job of providing that
to the instructors. But you stillneed the instructor because you can run scenarios
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and go, Okay, you ranit, you shot the guy, and
then you just let them walk off. And that's not scenario based training.
You're not providing feedback. You're notworking with them to help adjust their thinking,
you know, and you're not talkingabout you're not talking about stress dynamics,
and you know, you're not discussingOkay, tunnel vision, auditory exclusion,
all the things that Colonel Grossman talksabout and how our brains work under
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stress. There is so much toit and as somebody j Dy and I've
been training people for a long timein a habit tool that actually helps us
teach that material. It is awesomeand we'll be back in that. Just
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from our laser shot scenario based trainingdiscussion just for a minute, because this
is our bottom of the hour Wiregrasslive segment that anybody can stream. But
anyway, so you know, I'mgetting back into farming a little bit,
and I'm trying to plant some pasture. And I talked to my uncle and
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so we don't mow all that pastures, just spray it. I don't have
a sprayer. And I went shoppingand oath and the other day and I
told John Hollis I'd give him ashout out at ashe pray. I went
up there to buy you have asprayer. I went up there to buy
a sprayer and he said. Theystarted showing me some pictures of some sprayers
and I said, that's the poolbehind that's like crazy complicated. This is
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one of old three point hits thing. And he told me what he had
cost. And I said, youknow, Jadi and I we want to
talent. Range went oh yeah,well yeah heard next thing, you know,
I said, we have one ofthose like that. He goes,
we'll go get it and bring itup here. So I drove it back
up there and he goes, Isaid, dust control in it. Dan
put that thing on the range towater grass with what the grass has been
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growing I think's been sitting there foryears. And he said, uh yeah,
if you just let me, letme turn that into a boomless prayer
for you. And man, theywent in there and they sell all the
parts. They can do all kindsof crazy stuff in there. And so
shout out to axe Pray John Hollisand his folks for putting together a really
nice rick for a reason. Amountof money saved, saved a lot of
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money. And uh so, nowdry creek farms pastures be sprayed by axe
pray equipment right there, just offof the circle and growing grass. What's
up growing grass? I'm gonna begrowing grass. He might need you service,
I think you might if I hatelisten. If they made that and
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that was the way to make money, then I would be renting some land
down the road where I couldn't smellit. You call me if you need
to burn the property, just callme. Now, now I got to
figure out whether I'm on plant Pensacola, Tiff nine, Argentine or tiff quick.
You know now the right now,if you grow behea any strain of
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behea grass, don't expect me tocome visit. So when the world ends,
the game plan is for JD tocome over there so we can defend
the perimeter and and shoot anybody comesin and tries to take. But the
problem is is now it's gonna besurrounded by hundreds of acres of the one
grass he's allergic. So man,I am so, I am so well
allergic to behea grass I had whenI was when I was a deputy sheriff,
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occasionally you had to drive in placesthat had knee high behea graphs.
Ago when that stuff forks out inBlooms, I've had to go home from
work because I had to drive acrossthe interstate median through the beheo grass really
and get in the car with meand it just it will literally close my
eyes, swell my eyes shut.You don't carry your EpiPen. No,
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I had never had to have anEpiPen. That's usually about about three about
three, uh benadrill and take careof it. But then I got when
I'm asleep for sixteen hours. I'venever laughed at JD's medical situations, like
when it got to cramp in SouthDakota, Yes, she did? You
left? You left you care around. I get an allergic reaction that nobody
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knows where it is, but hadone year on Christmas Eve, I got
allergic reaction and I didn't want toshoot myself with that thing because they hurt.
Yeah, my mother in law's anurse. I gave it to her
to shoot it. She had turnedaround and turned around the wrong way and
shot herself with that EpiPen and uhshe she didn't go to sleep till New
Year's either. Did you ever geta shot? I can go back Dad's
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as I had to ride back tomy house to go get another EPI pen
and shoot myself. And what wasallergic to? Nobody knows. I get
these little reactions every now and then. For gsp fart could be a boy,
old boy. It's just that Icould bottle that Christmas gift something there.
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If you could bottle that, weprobably could sell it to somebody that
would uh well, apparently they domake it in the can somewhere. Oh,
I've seen that you can buy itlike Spencer's. Yeah, what's that
stuff called? I believe if I'mnot gonna say, I mean, you
know, it's not good on myback end. But it's nasty, you
know, yea, it makes somestuff as nasty nasty rear ends right right,
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that's it. They make stuff tokeep deer off of you plants.
It's called liquid fence. Yes,I've used them. It works. I'll
tell you what. Rotten eggs.Well, there we go. That's all
I needed to know right there.That's that reaction sprayed the roses the other
day, and I mean yaking inthe back. So any prosecutor out there
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So when we discontinue a conversation aboutsituation based training, and we were talking
a little bit about the different weaponssystems or available a laser shot, but
you it's not just whether to shootsomebody or not. It's about de escalation,
which is one of the things that'smandatory now in law of law enforcement
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training is de escalation training, andit's a way to do that and you
can steer these scenarios. Also,it's about less lethal weapons, things that
don't involve you actually using deadly force, and that where and here's one of
the advantages that I see of usingthis over scenario based training where it's force
on force or using semmunitions, whichis an awesome tool for like active shooter
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drills and things like that. Theyhurt and it is really you want to
talk about stressing oculation, you startdoing simunitions and things, you know,
any of that stuff where it's reallyputs a whelp on you. That's real
true stress and oculation, but handledproperly. The scenario based training with a
machine like laser shot is that Idon't have to have a safety officer lined
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up at the door patting everybody down. I've got to I don't have to
keep everybody in a room, youknow, with no weapons, no ammunition.
I don't have to have multiple roleplayers involved. It is a major
production. Even do like a flashcardtype scenarios where you just turn around and
you see something and you engage andthen you go on and move to the
next person. With this, you'reable to bring people in. You can
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put everybody in a room, oryou can put one or two people in
a room and observe a little peerpressure, little stress, and you can
run these and you can go backand see where they hit, what they
did, debrief, run it againexactly as it was the first time.
See if they can do it betterthis time. Branch it off, turn
it into something else. Says whatthat guy's pulling a pistol and know he's
pulling a sollf on. So there'sa lot of things that you can do,
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but on less lethal and how wouldyou use this for like de escalation
training? So I mean again,there's all kind of hypothetical high risk situations
where they may show up in thescenario as a domestic violence situation where the
guy's got a weapon, you know, and he releases the hostage, but
then he takes the weapon and putsit on his self, and you know
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he's looking for suicide by cop,etc. But you show up at the
forty millimeter round blay or twelve gaugetwelve twelve te or a react round and
there's an opportunity to presents itself thatyou could possibly utilize that impact rep weapon
to de escalate that situation from itbeing a deadly force encounter or strong verbal
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commands. So we try to providethose tools to the agency based on the
scenarios, based on their specific need, and we make those available. So
the agency could buy the forty millimeterfrom us, or they could buy the
actual forty millimeter round the shotgun,you know with with the different bore thunders
versus the sound that we experienced yesterdaya little bit with JD and the team,
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we had the gunshot box, whichalso does that self inoculation. It
will, it will, it'll,it'll really change that psychological, physicological response.
It sounds like it sounds like agunshot. It does. I mean
it push up, No, youpush a button. They found out yesterday
what happens when you start when gunshotstart going off around me? Yeah,
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we got JD and I forgot probablywhat a good idea, almost got drawn
down on. Yeah, that musclemove kicks in, it trains, it
does. I knew what was happening. You said, I'm on fire this
thing. Be careful and set itoff and it's still it tweaked a couple
of nerves I go in that regard. What it's doing is simulating somebody shooting
you. It sounds like a gunshotright there in the room with you.
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Boom, and it's there's flash andsound and you know it's it's yeah,
it's it's very very realistic. Imean, another tool for active shooter drills.
Even if you weren't using it withlaser shot, if you were doing
like active shooter drills with simunitions,you could have that and simulate bang bang
bang bang bang, and then nowyou know you're going to that active shooter
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that instead of having the fire blanksand do things like that. And there's
so many different ways you can usethese tools. And it brings me back
to a point that I wanted tomake before we close out, is it's
having a tools one thing. It'slike going to a mechanic. He's got
a good set of tools, buthe's never a mechanic before, okay,
or he kind of shade tree mechanics, and you want them to work on
your your electric car, and thatain't what he's used to working on.
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That's uh, having the right instructorhaving the people who have actually have experienced
one experience in doing the job toexperience and training this stuff and understanding the
scenarios and the different way the entiregamut of use of force from rival on
scene to how to de escalate,how to talk to people professionalism using the
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correct professional you know, the waythat using the right phrases, how to
how to give use a command voice, you know how to to to do
all these things. And then ifbut we can take a scenario it was
a shooter, don't shoot scenario,or whether it branches or not, you
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can use it incorrectly and actually reinforcethe idea that a lot like we're trying
to get law enforcement to use lessfor the force only when necessary, absolutely
necessary to save lives. But ifyou use the scenarios incorrectly and you don't
know what you're doing, you canactually encourage law enforcement officers to shoot faster,
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because if you put them in ano win situation, they and it's
a quick draw contest, and that'sall it is. It's the scenario is
a quick draw contest to make theminute he makes a furtive movement, it's
all you can do to draw andshoot faster than that guy in the scenario
does if you put them in thatSo you're actually encouraging officers to shoot faster
when we really need to be encouragingofficers to shoot with more discretion, more
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accurate control, to be more incontrol, and they're not going in the
situation. So amped up that Iwas talking with my stepmother last night and
about a situation that occurred here wetalked about in the last show. And
she goes, well, those officersreally need to go home, and that's
the most important thing. And Isaid, yeah, but it's not.
It's really it's not. We swearwe have a sworn duty to protect the
public, and ourselves obviously want togo home. But the fact is is
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that when we cannot put ourselves ina position where we go out and take
lives when it's not justified. Ifa person and I mentioned her, I
said, I if you answered thedoor atnight, you're gonna do it with
a gunning hands. She shauld probably. I said, so if a deputy
comes here and shoot, shoot,we would be very upset about that and
that would not be justified. Shegoes, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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say who is it and I'm gonnastop at the door and I'm gonna I
want to make sure I know whoit is before I open the door.
And I said, exactly yes,And the young man should have done that,
but he didn't know who it was, and so there's a lot of
things that could have happened. Theseare discussions that we have in scenario bus
training. This is stuff that wetalk about well. And to your point,
you know, I'm going to saywhen I came in yesterday and I
spent some time talking with y'all,visiting with y'all, and you already having
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a laser shot, you know thisis the place to get trained. I
was thoroughly impressed. I called theCEO of the company a laser shot and
I said, they are doing somethingright here and we need to be part
of it. And but you're absolutelyright into your pin points and uh and
that's what we need to do,and that give the laser shot, gives
us that availability for that uh,you know, instructor the high libility instructor
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to work with their students to helpthem. So absolutely onnred percent agree with
what you say. So what we'regoing to be doing here is UH as
soon as we get our hands onthis new system, we're going to go
portable. We're going to go outin the world, I think, and
we if people want to bring youknow, we've got good instructors here.
People want us to come to theirhome. People want us to come to
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their agency. We now have asystem or have a system here very shortly.
Our current system is portable. It'sjust portable ish. It's it's it's
got some years on it and ittakes a little while to set it up.
I was really amazed at how quickit was for you to go in,
take this thing out of a box, set it on the floor.
Uh, big screen. You canmake it smaller, depend on the wall
(37:50):
size you have. It's it's it'suh. It's steps ahead of the older
system, the way it sets itselfup. And I watched the software work
and it's very similar to the otherone, but it's got some new features
and that's awesome. That's well,you figure you figure the software improvement in
eight years, you think I mightthink about the difference between our cell phone
(38:13):
today and our cell phone the threegenerations that go, you know, I
mean, the technology is amazing.It's one of the things that separated us
from other people is you go geta training class in a lot of different
places, but here here at ourMidway facility in Tyler hassee all of our
basic classes include this. Well,there's a lot of people in the world
that can teach you how to shoot. Well, there's the difference is when
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to shoot when not to shoot?You know how to add I mean,
it's a whole different mindset than justshooting. Yep. So we're rolling into
this segment. We've got our PaulTire exclusive segment coming up after this,
but don't go anywhere, but DennisWane, thank you for being on the
show. We look forward to ourcontinuing and ever evolving partnership with Laser Shot.
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This is going to be really cool. And in the last segment,
we'll turn Fred Luce to do hisnormal stuff. He's just see him processing
this thought. There's something going onin there. So I'm wondering if they
could do this thing where you couldset it out where I could shoot a
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you raise your hands? Why doyou have to raise I'm just oh know,
you raised your hand and get no. I'm Arthur Writis man. My
hands are killing me. I don'tknow what was going on? Is that
(41:13):
what it is? I thought itwas the fact stop raining? I mean
my fish feeders almost completely underwater now, yeah, like Comonia's still full.
Looked at Jackson lately, it's Iwent by there yesterday. It's actually coming
up a little bit because needs alot more water in it now. I
mean, could you put an outboardmurder right around in it? Right now?
(41:35):
Oh yeah, just run the trailsfor sure. Okay, what about
jet ski you put that? Goodluck? That's that's not that's not a
bad thing. Man. I rememberwhen jet skis first came out on Lake
Jackson. I used to fish LakeJackson all the time, fishing night tournaments
and stuff. And you get outthere trying to fish, and those jet
skis have put in and you're ridingon there fishing a bank, you know,
(41:58):
fishing up against the grass line orsomething, or a lily peed line,
and the jet skis a run betweenyou and wherever you were fishing.
And so we started tying rattle trapson something I can throw a long way
with some treble hooks on the takecare of that. Yeah, whis won
by their ear. That's that's goodthing. I never hit anybody. You
(42:21):
been catching a fish, pall,I tell you that have been biting pretty
good. We got a full mooncoming up this week. The mayflies are
hatching on Lake Seminole, And Itell you what, but the lake's got
a little dirty from all this dagurain we've been getting. It's ridiculous.
It's crazy. Your your place isfull, the Seminoles full pool. And
I know we got muddy water comingdown the Spring Creek and the Flint River
(42:45):
arm of the lake and the Chattanoochee. So but you know, it's hopefully
it'll it'll clear up and this fishwill keep on biting. I did find
a pair of shoes that I thoughti'd get you the other day. Yeah,
do you think those nicer? Oh? I see it now, it's
not fish fish now that I thinkthe high heel, high heels like a
(43:10):
bash that must be got I ain'tnever seen nothing like that. Now,
well, I'm gonna wear it toYou said that, and I thought maybe
you were out shopping for yourself,say your alter ego for the weekend.
I think they look good. Anda pair of fish nets with me,
you dress up and drag and wearthose, you'd actually almost be as tall
as in that person. So,uh, you know, was that about
(43:30):
a six inch here? Probably it'sgonna it's gonna be hard to share what
I got to share. But youknow, Paul took me an alley fishing
and we tore up the shell cracker, and I was we were was kind
of sitting there thinking about the waywe were fishing and the techniques we were
using and all this stuff. Anduh so I had Jim rodden reel place
in the building here. I hadJim build Paul a custom brimbuster, if
(43:55):
you will, And I'm it's Igot it leaned up in the corner over
there. Let me see how Ican figure out how to do this.
Uh, Chris, real quick,somebody while I'm doing this. But it's
a it's a hybrid fly Okay,yeah, Charlotte, watch the tip over
there. Oh yeah that gun whathas it got two handles on it?
(44:16):
For well fish? So that isan eight weight fly rod that breaks down
into four pieces and goes into alittle rod carrier. But it's uh,
it's it's about a ten foot aten foot long brim pole now and or
shell cracker pole. But you cantake that back bottom section off if you
(44:37):
when you're sitting on a brim bedor sometimes you may change where you're fishing
and you don't need a ten footpole anymore. You want to pole.
So that's the same basically keeps thesame rig on, but you're making a
shorter a shorter brimbuster out of it, and uh instead of collapsing like a
brim buster. But the big thingis this is an eight weight fly rod,
(44:59):
so it can handle what you're you'remore of a fly fisher than I
am. You could fish for tarpingwith this. Yeah, you could eight
weight without it without a tarp andbreak Turpin's not going to break that.
Eight weight rods are designed to bendat a lot of parabolic bend. But
you but you it's a lot ofstrength. So when you're catching pounds and
(45:19):
a half pounding three quarters out ofthat grass, Yeah, shell cracker down
in a bunch of thick cover andgrass. You've got enough heft and the
rod has enough spine to to lifta pound and a half fish with another
pound. Hell yeah, you canhand it. I tell you now,
that is nice right there? Yeah, that been able to come up with
(45:40):
the like that, I got itright there? How many times I've caught
shell cracker right underneath the boat,I mean right there, and you're backing
your rod up like this, tryingto hold a twelve foot you know what
I mean? Yeah, that isI know what you mean, because that's
I designed this rod with Jim's helpthere and came up with that. Man.
(46:00):
I can that that is. Thatis has got your name on it,
and it's got a Bible verse onthere. Matthew, four nights,
I see four nineteen. I'll makeyour fissures of men. How about that?
I thank you so much, verywelcome. We'll get to get out
and test that this week, folks. We got a full moon coming up.
You got the mayflies are out therethere, and that means always when
(46:22):
you see the mayflies. That meansbremmer on the bed, so definitely bremmer
bedding. Sholl cracker that we shouldbe had some shell cracker bedding this week
too, So now is a goodtime to get out and do something.
And the baths start moving into bass, start moving in to feed on the
smaller panfish. And right there,twenty third Thursday, that's my anniversary.
(46:43):
That's a good day to go fishing, I think, so better known as
your wife's day of morning. Isay, what does your wife refer to
that day as? I don't know, but I'll be out there howling.
I'll tell you that. But youwhat you get out there? She's got
she's got a vacation playing without himthat day. Yeah, But for the
(47:05):
bass this week, if anybody's coming, throw some frogs right now, hollow
belly frogs, popping frogs around thegrass, around the pepper grass beds.
There's there's a big bass, floatingfrogs, floating frogs. That's right,
all right. You gotta throw itwith braided line at least fifty pounds tests
I like to use sixty five myselfand a good seven foot seven foot three
heavy action rod. It's got maybea little a softer tip on it.
(47:29):
But you can work that frog.And you got to have the backbone to
get them out of grass. SoI wonder if I threw a six way
flyer rod with maybe a popper onit, popping, that could work.
Yeah, I could work because itgot a lot of grass growing because with
the water's coming up and you can'tmove the grass. And she's got a
(47:51):
lot of grass coming down, right, and you see him feeding around in
that grass. Something feeding around there. It's probably bass feeding on them.
Brim could be Yeah, sir,they need to be feeding on my lure.
That's right. You got to takesome time to go out there.
Maybe you can go to seven it. I think I might. They've got
front. We got weather coming inright before front. They'd be biting.
(48:13):
I think they'd be biting tonight.They could. If I weren't going to
graduation, I'd come out there andyou graduating. Nope, My daughter is
oh okay and graduation sorry, proudof her. Where's you graduate from Thomasville?
Thomasville? Awesome? So we'll begoing to that this evening. Gradulations
to her? Yes, sir,did you get her a new fishing ride
for graduation? I sure did.I wouldn't expect anything. Thank you.
(48:35):
We got all of that fun stuffgoing on in Leon County next week.
Yeah, I'm telling Paul, Idon't know what with all the tornadoes and
stuff coming through and they've had tomiss a couple of days of school and
make up some stuff and whatever.But yeah, Tater Tater graduates from from
eighth grade. I got to goto that commencement next week. She'd be
well great with Charlie be going intoUH to see. Jesse's going into her
(49:01):
junior year at Mary in the HighSchool, and CJ is going. I
don't know, he's still in middleschool. He's to be thirteen this year.
I don't know which class. Yeah, he's I think he's got going
leaving six, going to seventh.I'm not mistaken. He's got an awards
ceremony coming up, one of thehonor rolls or something. They do all
(49:23):
that stuff, and probably is whena young man turns thirteen, that's when
he begins his brain damage phase andit lasts still there about twenty six.
Well, I've seen I've seen I'veseen my I've seen some of my daughters
hit thirteen two, and it ain'tmuch better. It just depends on what
they got going on in their lives. But uh, it's a rough time
(49:45):
sometimes for teenagers, boys and girlsor whatever else is out there. However,
they choosually, which is why it'sso important to get him involved in
the outdoors. In my in myvery humble opinion, get him involved in
something, outdoor sports, something,get them involved. I will tell I
I have seen. I've raised threedaughters, still raising one, and I
(50:10):
can tell you for the parents outthere, the people who have intact homes,
broken homes, people there, thosekids respond to the way they're raised,
They respond to their environment, tothe way their parents get along to
There are so many things that peopleget so caught up in fighting and going
tooth and nail against their spouse asFred deals with this in his career a
(50:30):
lot, not in his personal lifeobviously, but the uh, it's it's
the way you, the way youare to your children and the environment they're
exposed to, and the hatred orthe love or all those things. It
directly affects those kids as they're comingup, and it points them in a
direction in their life. And Ilook back and I wish I had done
(50:52):
some things better. And I've triedto get better and I've you know,
I do you whether you have anattact relationship or a broken relationship. When
I was talking to a good friendwe've been doing some stuff with lately,
and I heard him say, well, you know, yeah we're apart,
but you know I called her momon Mother's Day and this, and you
know the kids are better off forthat. Now. That's a hard thing
(51:13):
to do sometimes, you know,but if you can do it, and
I'll leave you with that, youdon't have a great week to see I
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