May 31, 2025 • 51 mins
In today's episode of the Talon Outdoors Show, members of the crew had to travel so this episode is a back-to-the-basics episode of the things that made the Talon Outdoors Show great to begin with. You'll hear discussions aroundthe very things people have come to know and love including: guns, safety, training, hunting, and fishing.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Town Outdoor Show. I'm Charlie. That's JD.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Read Captain ball off dress.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh man, oh man, this is this show today. If
you're listening to this show, something didn't go right somewhere
along the line. Somewhere along the line, something something happened.
We couldn't show up, something went wrong, the scheduling got
sideways or whatever. We are just randomly recording a show
(00:37):
to put into the can, so to speak, in case
something happens. Because we're doing this show on a on
a weekend, we're heading out of town to do something
and we're going to try to do some more stuff.
And so you may be listening to this five years
from now. Might be I might not even be around anymore.
This this might I might I might be gone, and
you're listening to this show, and I're going, well, we
had to go back but.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
To find that to dig him up and get a
show done, the ug him up here just a minute ago.
Well we so we wee in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
We just watched JD. Scarf down his lunch in front
of all of us, and and then the belt and
he burt belt whatever and umigated the room.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes, well it's better.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know what I'd rather smell chewed hail, the pinot chips,
then I would what it will be in a few hours.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Go get his get his can over there.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Let the smell that bad. It's like Fosse said, not bad.
Is that coop poop?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The idea behind it is.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Just going to the daughter to get that fixed.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They cannot fix them direct. Finally, functions are not something
I'm good with.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I just I'm so happy to know that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's mine.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You're got tears the eyes or water.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
They make this stuff that you put on uh uh,
like roses and stuff keep deer off his car invisible fence. Ye,
my wife calls it deer ass.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's the smell. I mean, just to think about it.
And so when I'm out in the yard trying to
put this stuff on the roses better and I'm spraying it,
I'm out there hacking and yacking. While I'm trying to
spray roses. Neighbors are out looking at me. What's wrong
with that game?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Some of that put on the neighbor's corn pile.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I bought I bought some of that good. Remember that
bad spray that U d t tell them I got
some of it at the house. I hadn't I have.
It is so bad, I'm scared to do anything with it.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You don't need to bring out all this property.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I want to see it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, it might, it might make it to South Dakota.
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Any Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So we so in this particular pre recorded show that
we're doing here today, we don't want to talk about
anything timely or political or dated or anything like that.
But so we did want to kind of go back
to what our show was supposed to be about when
we started the show, and that is guns training, some
(03:37):
you know, outdoors related stuff that's not seasonal hunting season.
So the Lord knows, you may hear this show two
or three times over the years, just we might get lazy.
But so I want to go to JD. Let's let's
go to basically, let's talk about handguns.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, okay, questions across the gun counter.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So so when you're standing at the gun counter, what
are one of the what's one of the main questions
people come in and ask. When it comes to someone,
they all right, so I come in and I know
this one gets asked a lot, I'm looking for a pistol.
What should I buy?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a really common question. So
and there's never a and I'm never across the counter.
I'm never gonna answer that with a you should buy
a Smith and Wesson this or a glock that, or
a sig this or a that. I'm never gonna answer
that question. I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna give
you an answer of revolver or semi automatic. Try not to.
(04:38):
I try really hard not to make those recommendations. I
try to encourage people to go try it for themselves
and then explain the difference and the pros and cons,
the pros and cons. Semi auto revolver revolvers are lower capacity.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Always.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Semi autos are at least gonna have six or seven shots,
so you've got capacity revolve most revolvers that are small
enough to conceal. You're looking at a five on a
good day, maybe a six shot revolver. And then it's
gonna dictate. Are you looking for something to carry all
the time, how are you planning on carrying? Or are
you buying something to compete with? Or are you buying
(05:16):
something for home protection.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So I say, okay, my follow up question is, well,
i want to have something to carry in my car.
I'm probably not going to carry on me right now,
but I want something in the car and I can
keep it the house or defend myself.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So my suggestion would be something along the lines. Well,
you can look at a four inch barrel, longer barrel revolver,
bigger full size revolver in thirty eight or three fifty seven,
but that's not gonna be my recommendation.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So I'm not I don't want a revolver that's the
old school. Is hard pulling the trigger, hard.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Pulling the trigger, not easy to reload, It's got a
lot of there's a lot of the cons to the revolver.
So on a semi automatic, I would say, all right, well,
we're looking at something of a meat medium to full
size nine millimeter, and I am going to recommend nine millimeter.
There are other options of forty KL is good, the
forty five is good. Three eighty is the minimum. Three
(06:13):
eighty ACP would be the minimum caliber for self defense
that I would recommend. So I would probably try to
push you towards something like a block nineteen A SIG
three sixty five fuse Smith and Wesson, M and P
and something of those compact size like a clock nineteen
(06:34):
is not the biggest nine millimeter they make, it's not
the smallest. Is kind of right there in the middle.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, with these grips, but.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The capacity of that pistol is going.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
To be in the range of fifteen rounds roughly, all
of those fifteen to seventeen shots, and all of those
double stack.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And so you go with a medium size nine millimeters
semi automatic. Now nine millimeter, you recommend nine millimeters or why.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Less recoal, more capacity, and the performance of modern hollow
point nine millimeter is going to be so similar to
some of the bigger calibers that have more recoil and
less capacity. There's really no reason, there's no reason in
my opinion, for the forty Smith and Wesson to even
exist anymore. It still does. Law enforcement adopted it years
(07:21):
ago wholesale. I mean, they just switched out because nine
millimeter was not good enough. And it was based on
one incident pretty much nationally, one incident which was the
armored car robbery down in Miami, and you had some
bad guys and the FBI agents were armed with nine
millimeter with a very much inferior projectile they were shooting.
(07:46):
They were shooting silver tip Winchester silvertip hollow points, which
were a poor choice to start with, and they didn't
have the desired effect when they hit the back, even
when they hit the bad guys. So the bad guys
were able to absorb a lot of shots and still
do bad things afterwards. So the FBI came out and said, well,
we want to get rid of the nine millimeter. Went
(08:07):
through this long iteration, they went to a ten millimeter,
the ten millimeter norma cartridge, which is almost a magnum
powered semi automatic cartridge.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Hard to shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's hard to shoot because of the dramatic difference between
the recoil of the nine milimeters and ten millimeter, and
so they started having all these issues with people not
being able to qualify with these big, powerful, heavy guns.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So they sought it off.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So they got with the manufacturer and said, we want
to download this ten milimeter to this bulletweight and this velocity,
and the manufacturer said, well, we can do that in
a smaller package, which the forty Smith and Wesson was born.
And now, because technology, the nine millimeter has kind of
caught up to the forty, and there's not a nickels
worth of difference in the performance of.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Those between the nine and the ten.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, power factor.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Wise, yes, yeah, aliber, it's the same as the ten.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeap, it's a forty caliber. Ten millimeter is the same diameter.
Point nine millimeter is the same as a thirty eight seven.
So nine millimeters if you are converting from metric to
s ae.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Uh well wait a minute, what's the three eighty if.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's also a nine milimeter.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Shorter?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It's just a less gunpowder yep.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, shorter casing and less.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, well I wouldn't the nine millimeters, I mean the
three I mean I like a three eighty because they
make smaller guns that fit my hand.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yep, because it's a slower bullet.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, a slower person.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Well that makes sense. Yeah, it's the three eighty as
popular as a carry gun because you can put it
in a smaller package and it's doesn't recoils back.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You think of like a forty five long cult something
with more powder in it, a revolver versus a forty
five ACP. You know, same same kind of content, shorter, shorter,
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(10:52):
we're back. So when we left, we were talking about
what people when they come into the gun counter and go, hey,
I just want to go and I mentioned, you know
what we had discussed was I want a pistol for
my vehicle and my home. But okay, so now they's
change that over and go, okay, I want a pistol.
(11:14):
Somebody just cranked up something in the parking lot and
it's like they need know, they need to they need
to leave the So Posterity is going to record this. Yeah,
so Mike. So then the other question is I come
int there and I go listen, I'm looking for a
pistol for concealed carry. And now I know that there's
(11:36):
a difference between me at two seventy five and six
foot three and Fred at midget status over here. That
what you're going to recommend. So what when we go
from a mid sized nine millimeter down to a concealed
carry pistol.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So you go with the the the new fairly new
to the gun world market of micro what I will
just call micro nine millimeters. They're smaller than even the
original what was the subcompact. They've managed to squeeze down
a lot of guns and make a what I would
(12:14):
consider a very small nine millimeter or some of the
bigger three eighties. So some of the some of the
three eighties are similar size. So one I got You're
Smith and Wilson Bodyguard two point zero. That is the
hottest selling pistol in the country right now.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Love that game.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, we're constantly ordering those and getting them in and
selling them out and getting some more, and so they're
big time sellers right now. And in the fall of
twenty twenty four it just came out and it's the
hottest selling thing on the planet now that that may change.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's the new riger LCP from back when it was
hot and the al had one.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, because of the capacity you went from you went
for a very small gun. So they took some of
this nine millimeter micro technology and it was really a
simple It was a simple fix. And what they did
was what everybody used to call a single stack nine millimeter.
They basically turned took a magazine sig. SIG is pretty
(13:15):
much who I credit with because the first ones I
ever saw was a SIG where they took a double
stack magazine and essentially funneled it down into a single stack.
The last two or three rounds are single stack, but
the rest of the magazine is double stack, and it's
just got a funnel design that's taking the double side
by side bullets sitting side by side of a magazine
and pushing them down into a single feed, so you
(13:35):
can make the slide very thin. Yeah, and that's the
that's the key. Everybody thinks that the grip size of
a gun really doesn't add to conceal easy, easy concealability.
It's the thickness, the width of the slide is what
makes to me a gun concealing.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I mean, it's just you put it in your hand
and you're like, this is the best fit.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, because it has the double stack magazine design of
grips slightly larger.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
A little bit longer, a little bit bigger round, so
it's way more the.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
More to hang on to versus when they make say
the single stack micros. You've got the little bitty slide
and a little bitty grip that's the same width as
the slide. And it's for especially big hands like we have.
It's hard to hang on to those things. And I mean,
the granted we still carry one to shoot one is
a backup and as for our pocket gun, but it's
not it's not comfortable and it's not as accurate. And
(14:29):
another thing on a lot of these guns is they
don't put real sights on some of the early models.
You know that there's just nothing there to look at
because it's a get off the gun. And that's another
thing you have to have expect reasonable expectations that are
if you go too small, it is a pistol, that's
you know, it's a it's a conversational distance pistol at
that point, and it is a point and shoot. And
(14:49):
you can reference this front side that like the old
Ruegrell cps, there's no sight to speak of on this,
just a little bump on the end of the it's
just pointing your finger and pulling the tree.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Bodyguard has got a great site.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well yeah, because they made these changes over time and
in response to market demand, and they've they could have
done this from the get go, but it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Was they didn't think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, they didn't think about it, and it costs the
more to make it that way. And so as technique
manufacturing techniques change, you're getting smaller and smaller functional pistols
carrying a little bit more capacity. And I mean, in
my opinion this day and age, there's no reason.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
To go with a revolver other and you just like
I agree, I agree, and it is We have a
lot of husbands that bring a lot of their wives
in here, and they're dead set on my wife. And
I hear this across the gun counter. Since we're doing
across the gun counter, I hear this across the gun
My wife can't operate a semi automatic and with it
with his wife standing there, and I look at her
(15:44):
and I say, yes, you can. You just have to
get some lessons. You have to learn how to do it.
But if you can operate a can opener in the kitchen,
you can operate a semi automatic. And I know women
operate complicated stuff all the time that they've been exposed
to and they understand how to use. But it's like
anything else. I can't operate a sewing machine.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's why I was fusshing to see you tell that
old man to go go run her sewing machine. Yeah,
not that we're being sexist or putting people in classifications,
but the fact is what it is very if he
is because he's coming in and saying, my wife can't
do this. Well, the thing is is we need to
train that lady without him standing there, because what he's
doing is man's plaining everything to her.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We can obviously ninety nine percent of the time I
quit talking. When when that conversation starts that way, I
go look at the lady and I said, if you'll
listen to me and let me show you how this
is supposed to be done, and do what I'm telling
you to do, you can operate this. And ninety nine
point nine percent of the time they can operate it,
(16:47):
absolutely just as well as anybody else. And I said,
let me guess you were you know they'll they'll show
the hand position. Well, my husband said do it this way,
and I said, no offense to him, but that's absolutely
the wrong way. Let me show you the right way
and the way the methods that we teach and have
talked for years and years and years don't require any
degree of great degree of hand strength or whatever grip strength.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
When they came out with the Smith and Wesson EZ
series and started making pistols that were capable of being
operated by people with less hand strength, and I know
that that product line has evolved two different things now,
but you know I literally can take one of those
and hold the slide in one hand and use my
(17:31):
trigger finger and push the slide, push the frame under
the slide was one finger. I mean, so anybody can
operate that thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Another thing is that people women. I see women all
the time, or people struggling with hand strength and they
sit there and they trying to do it over and
over and over again. I said, look, you just have
to accomplish this one time. You have to be able
to rack that slide on that semi automatic with a
loaded magazine and you got to do that one time.
It's going to fire. You do that one time. You
load that chamber, it's going to fire till is empty.
(18:02):
The slide's going to lock to the rear. You put
another magazine in there and you hit the slide release
or a little bit of tension pulled back on the slide,
and it's going to do it all for you. Again.
That's the beautiful beauty over some automatic.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
See too many people get into well that they can't
they can't.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Your your technical instructors, your high end tactical instructors are going, well,
you know, they can't operate this because they can't do
five reloads and this and that and one handed reloads
and hold on, buddy, that's that's for that's for your
tack ops. Guys and people need for the average You know,
we train, we train at all these levels, but what
(18:39):
the main one we train is first time shooters, teaching
them how to functionally operate a pistol in order to
get it from empty status to loaded status to firing
it and then at that point in time, you know, yes,
make it safe, but if you can't even get to
that point, at least you've been able to neutralize the
threat you were after. I mean, if you have the
chamber around for your wife and then put it in
(19:03):
a safe status loaded, then all she's got to do
is pull the trigger. YEP. I don't like safeties because
that's something else that under stress you have to remember
to take off. It's a it's a fine motor skill,
and fine motor skills don't operate well under critical incident stress.
And then somebody kicking the door in and screaming at them.
Is that that's that's big dumb movements, not fine motor skills.
(19:26):
That's critical incident stress. And safeties are a bad idea.
I just think they are.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Quick question Fred sitting over there with a perplexed, perplexed
look on his face won't ask a question.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, So what give me an example of what you
think the strongest versus the light or lightest versus the
most difficult slide racking gun is what what.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well you have? You have the like Charlie said, the
Smith and Wilson Easy family, which is a couple of
different guns. There's an Easy three eighty and nine millimeters
which is now called the Equalizer, which they have gone
in there and lightened up the recoil spring to make
it and lightened up the weight of the slide to
make it extremely easy to work to slide on nothing else.
(20:11):
And then Ruger and some other companies have tried to
emulate that in some fashion another. They's a couple of
different easy racking slides out there. I'm not a giant
fan of them because I have been very successful at
getting people to work any gun they pick up by
doing the right technique. And those guns I don't personally
(20:36):
think that they're going to have the lifespan there. They're
not going to stay together as long as a gun
that has a standard recoil spring. There's physics says it
can't happen.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, they're they're not a frequent shooter long term that
high traffic the gun.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Even the SIG three sixty five, which is one of
the more popular carry guns in the country. It has
a twenty five hundred round read the manual that says
it in the man I'm not making this up. At
twenty five hundred rounds, they're telling you you need to
replace your recool spring guide, rod assembly. And most people
will never show and those people will never shoot twenty
five hundred rounds in it. What you care?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, I ca I carried Glock forty eight.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I thought that was a sick.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I carried a three sixty five for about a year,
and then Glock got smart and came out with the
forty eight and the forty eight, and I carry a
forty eight. That's what I have on right now. I mean,
and we're talking about all these different brands, and ultimately,
if you ask me what brand pistol to go with,
I'm going to ask you what your needs are. And
if you can run a glock, I want you to
run a clock because it's the simplest one to operate.
(21:40):
And then there's so many different models.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of it that you know that just about find one
that fits your needs.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So I run a Glock forty eight that comes with
a stock ten round magazine, but I use the shield
Arms magazine, which is what fifteen rounds plus one. So
I got sixteen rounds on me right now with no
spare magazine and a very conceivable pistol. Any talent Holster,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Let me change the talent. Yeah, so I'm a big
fan of the talent Holster.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah. We are too well build, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
And there's like I said, there's everybody has gotten into
this game, and there's a lot of good quality ones,
a lot of good quality pistols out there on the market,
there's no question about it. And I carry a glock.
I carryed the same gun he's carried. Uh. There is
one reason why clock is the only pistol I know
of that we sell, or that they exist on the planet.
That you could literally tie to the bumper of your
(22:30):
truck and drag it from here down to the range
and it would work when it got there. Yeah, the
high probability of it working when it got I would
be angry if I would be too, but it's a
high chance of a working.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
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Speaker 1 (23:38):
And we're back. So we were talking about truck, our
vehicle and home defense pistols, and then we talked about
conceal cary pistols in the different models and sizes and
stuff that are available. Now in this segment, let's talk
about because Fred is just wanting to talk about holsters,
Let's talk a little bit about how to store and
(24:02):
conceal farms in the home, and then the how to
store and cansal firearms in a vehicle and on your personnel.
If we can do that five minutes. But because I said,
there's an entire industry behind that.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, that is a fairly big industry. You know, everybody's
situation is different. Everybody's built different individually. Our bodies are
all different. Believe it or not. Little skinny guys can
conceal bigger guns than guys might in your size.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I wish you'd show me how well.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well you look at any of those skinny guys that
come in here and have a monster pistol in an
appendix carry with two spare magazine shoved down in front
of their pants, and you can't tell they're wearing that
because they don't have a gut.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, and it's a matter of that's how much dunlop
do you have? You know you barely dunlocked over your belt.
It's all about the dunlop.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It takes all I can do to stay in a
pair of pants. I mean, I keep I wear I
wear at five o'clock just above my wallet because when
I when I draw, I'm in a situation I'm reaching
back to where my wallet is. If I'm in a
position of disadvantage, I'm reaching somebody's trying to rob me
or something and go here, you can have my money.
As I go under my shirt tail, I'm reaching from
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my wallet. But just above that, it's about six inches
is my glock forty eight. And that's what I'm coming
around with, and that's what I'm gonna work with now.
So yes, But but the thing, but the thing is is,
you know, we we based this somewhere way we're built,
but you take some of these little skinny fellows and
it's amazing what they can consider.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I know some of my employees that are that are
physically fit, young young guys. They're carrying full size clock
seventeen's with a holographic site on there with a red
dot site and two magazines in an appendix style sidecar
holster right across there where their belly buttons are on
their belt, and you can't tell they're wearing a gun
(25:54):
It's all about the type of holster you choose inside
the way span, outside the way spand how you're built,
the material the holsters made out of. You know, the
Kaitex has come a long way, the hard plastic, multiple
hard plastic holsters that we make. I was not sold
on Kaidekx for a long time until Jesse made me
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a custom one for my gun for me and how
I carry, And now I wear it every day all day,
put it on when I leave the house, take it
off when I get home.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I had never seen the pocket holster and until uh,
until you guys turned me on to it, that's kind
of become my I love that thing because it's kind
of like a skin for your for your small gun.
It's easy to put in a a just behind the
belt and just up against you know that if it
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does fall down, it's gonna follow my pocket. Yeah, and
it's just just just an easy way to carry. Yeah,
and we got to have your shirt untuck.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
But yeah, we designed those a long time ago. You know,
they've been around and there we've got different ones that
we designed.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Over the years, and well they're designed to go in
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah. Well, our wallet holster was what made us basically
capable of doing all the things we've done. Jad and
I we started his company and we were training out
in the woods and we're teaching some classes, and went
out to the Pat Thomas Academy and started teaching some
classes out there. And in order to the evolution of
our company basically started with our our getting a building
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a website so that we could let people pay for classes.
And then we found some holsters, one of which was
a wallet holster. Modified that design with the help of
the guy who was building them. We made some changes
to make it our own design and had him building
them until he couldn't keep up put them on the website,
and we couldn't keep him in stock. And we went
through three different manifacts and now all of a sudden,
ultimately they're made here in the house. We went to
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the opice. Most people outsource after they get successful. We
insourced and so every and that we now have our
own leather d cd X manufacturing capable abilities here. Based
on the need for the Ruger LCP to fit in
a pocket, yep, and it goes that's what and when
we built the range, we could cash flow building the
range based on the amount of holsters we could sell
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at that point in time, and which is what put
us where we are today.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Fascinating to go back there and watch him do that.
I really enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it is an art form. It certainly is a
mess some of that leather.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
We'll be back in just time.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
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Speaker 2 (29:41):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Anyway, so we talked about well, we didn't really get
too deep in the holsters. We talked a little bit
about it. But all right, so in the home, okay,
So at home, a lot of people, a lot of
your situations can depend on whether you got kids or not. Yep.
I mean cause you know pretty much if you've got
guns in the home, you have you have children. And
I'm not talking about late teens. I'm talking about little kids.
(30:05):
Particularly if if you're kids and you've trained them not
to be strangers to firearms, and you know, they take
of the curiosity away from it, which is what we
always go back to. Let them shoot and understand, my kids,
my gun's around. I got a twelve year old son.
He didn't care about that stuff because he's shot so
many times. He's not gonna go messing with my guns.
Now when friends come over, I go put the guns
up now. I make sure they're secured. A lot of
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people are getting into you know, they want to well,
I want to secure the gun in the home, but
I need to be able to get to it. We're
putting it in a vault is not the way to
get to it in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
But a tend digit combination on a on a even
on a digital keypad is to get in a safe
is not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That's not happening.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So what's my wife's date of birth? Again?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I struggle us dark and trying to find and I
struggle with anything. I struggle with biometric stuff or anything
that requires a battery for me to operate in a hurry.
I do like there are some products out there now
that are just press and click type deals. You know,
my preferred method is concealed somewhere that only I can reach.
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But my wife can't reach it. So there's an issue there.
But you know that, So when you're looking around and
securing things in the home, I'd be very cautious about
things that require batteries, because batteries tend to corrode over time,
go bad unless.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
You put yourself on a regular schedule of replacing them,
and even.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And even then and even then, or if it's it's
you know, something that plugs into the wall and has
to reach argeable battery. I mean, just think long and
hard about and then you need to almost daily or
several times a week, you need to access that firearm
so that it begins with with your eyes closed, so
that you can do it in the dark. And then
you need to figure out how I'm going to get
from point A to point B to get to that.
(31:56):
Just keep keep in mind storing in the home while
you need to be safe. And in Florida, it is
the law if a child under the age you know,
fifteen or younger obtains the fireman then takes it somewhere
and does something dangerous with it, displays in public, or
harms himself or another with it, you can be charged
with the crime. But that's only if they do those things.
(32:17):
Keeping it my kids twelve, I'm not breaking the law
by leaving the gun where he can get it. Now,
if he hurts himself with it. If he takes it
and goes somewhere with it, then yes, I can be
charged with the crime at that point. But it's a
too it's a two prong thing. You have to leave
it where they can get it a reasonable person. We
believe it's really successfully and something they have to go do.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Something when kids are really young. It's a pretty easy fix,
but it's somewhere where they can't reach it or get
to it, or even though it's there, you know, elevate
it when they're As they get older and they start
to understand things, quit don't. Don't hide it from them.
That's the biggest mistake that I see parents make as well.
(32:55):
We have guns in the house, but we don't want
our kids to see them. We don't your kids plundering
around the house. They're they're going to encounter them. Take
the mystery away. And we've said this.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You got an eight year old son that likes to
play army in the yard, he does not. You do
not need to have a pistol laying around the house
where he can just readily grab it, unless I mean,
I'm just saying this is a bad idea, But take
the mystery out. They don't they want They know that's
off limits. My kids, my oldest, my adult children, they
taught that from early on. I got grandkids, come over.
(33:27):
Those guns get put up now. So that's in the home.
Just you have to look at your situation now, in
the vehicle you've got. Yeah, so it well, Florida and Alabama,
Georgia are about the same, you know, except for Alabama
and Georgia pretty much. Lets you do whatever you want
to do now. Florida, we can carry without a permit
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concealed nowadays, but you still have the vehicle's in your vehicle.
It still has to be securely in case.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, the gun's in your vehicle, not on your person, right,
it has to be securely in case, not ready for
immediate use. And there is a legal definition of what
that means, which is basically closed up in a box,
snapped in a holster, in the glove compartment, in a
center console.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And that applies whether you have a concealed permanent or not.
You can't carry in your car. That's right, stupid, but
that's the law.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, And we get questions I got earlier this week.
I got the question, something we want to come out
to the range, but we haven't gotten our permits have expired.
We want to come out to the range and shoot.
How do we get from the house to the range
to shoot.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Put it in the glove compartment, put.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It in a case, put it in a gun case,
put it in a box. Come on to the range.
No problem.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Actually, I think it says if you are en route to.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The gun range route, if you're in route to the
gun if you're going hunting, fishing, camping, if you are hunting, fishing, camping,
or going to and from one of those activities or
two and from a gun range, you can carry openly
in the state of Florida right now. In Alabama, Georgia,
you just carry openly, But in Florida you have to
be engaged in one of those activities. The question then becomes,
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I'm heading to the gun range and I stop at
the gas station.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
No, that's gonna that's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I stop at the gas station, I go into
Denny's to get something to eat.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Maybe I go into the I go into the big
box store on the way to the gun range to
buy a box of ambo.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Okay, let me liken it to this. Uh so you've
got a guy who has a restricted driver's licenses says
he can only drive for work purposes. Okay, he's on
his way to work. He stops at Wendy's to get breakfast.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okayh he's fine. I would say, yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Uh he stops for a five course meal at the
Governor's Club.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Probably not fine, right.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
One of them's recreational. The other ones this work purposes necessity.
So Denny's gray area, Yeah, the one you should be
prosecuted for eating at Denny's.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Well, I mean that that that skillet. The skillets are
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Now, I'm just saying, So you're going to get the
problem you're going to run into when you start to
push the issue like that. You're pushing the envelope and
open carry in a state in Florida where you are
very restricted and the laws make no sense, but they're
on the books. So you're going to run into law
enforce You're gonna run into people that don't know any better,
and then they're going to say something law enforcements. A
lot of cops don't know and don't understand and don't
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understand the depth and the breadth of how these things
are interpretated. Interpretated interpreted. That was what happens when I'm
trying not to burp and I'm talking, so the uh
so you're going You're run in law enforcement all the time,
and as a former watch commander at Sheriff's office, I
can tell you deputies will call you and go, hey,
I got this situation, and you're sitting there thinking okay.
(36:52):
Then you're explaining it to them and you're wondering why
they don't know the answer because you're just You're supposed
to know everything. You're supposed to know all of the
criminal laws, all how it all applies, and be able
to apply it to the real world. But that's not
always the case. So you will run into law enforcement
officers that don't understand the law and people. Where a
lot of misconceptions come from is people will ask a
(37:14):
cop a question, hey, uh, how how do I secure
a gun in my car in Florida? And it be okay,
And then somewhere along the line somebody goes, well, it's
got to be three steps, and that became that became
this old wive's tale legacy BS thing, and everybody started
going about it. And I promise you some old cop
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was picking up lunch and somebody as you got that,
you got to go through three movements in order to
get to that, make that crap up.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And that's what.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, I have no idea where that I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I had a cop tell me that. I'm like, where
are you talking?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's what I'm saying right exactly when I had I had,
I had deputies to ask me these questions over to you, Hey,
what do you mean about three steps something? What do
you mean about three steps that's not in writing?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Step? Is that's what you do at the honey talk
on Friday night?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So and I go go back and read the statue
put in a zip lock bag.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It's it's well, it's legal, I tell you securely.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I lost a gun in a case that the guy
had a grocery bag of full sized brown paper grocery
bag full of weed with with a high with the
lost the gun with a high point nine millimeter laying
on top of the weed and the bad paper bag
was rolled up and that the weed. But he went
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on the weed because there was a lot of weed.
I lost the gun.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's the that's the thing
is people, even though he had the weed. It was
still listen. Don't don't ask. Don't don't ask law enforcement
officers for legal opinions over lunch. First off, First off,
all they want to do is eat, and they don't
appreciate you doing anything other than hey, thank you for
your service. Anything beyond that, you're you're pestering them. They don't.
(39:07):
They're like, Ma, I've been dealing with this crap all day.
Just thank me for what I do for a living
and go on about your business. And I don't mean
to leave me alone anything, Mama, lunch.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Do you ask a lawyer for legal advice after five
o'clock on any given afternoons if they like, let yeah,
we'll be right back.
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Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah. The some of the biggest some of the other
big questions I get across the gun counter is what
type of AMMO do I put in my gun? For
what purpose? Or you know, why is this practice am
sixteen dollars a box for fifty and this stuff over
(41:07):
here is twenty five dollars for a box of twenty
five of them. You know, and a lot of people
will to understand that for self defense purposes, a target round,
a full metal jacket target reun will put a hole
in anything anybody. It'll it'll make a hole. It is
not likely to do as much damage as a holowpoint realm.
(41:30):
The hollow point the biggest advantage. The reason hollow points
are expanding rounds exist is to keep from over penetrating
when you have to you know, God forbid you have
to shoot somebody. You don't want the bullet to pass
all the way through them and keep on going and
hit an unintended target.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
You see that in ballistic gelatin shoes. You can google
nine million liters ballistic gelatine and look at and you
see as a full metal jacket round will go in
and you'll it'll spiral right through the gelatin. A lot
of times you'll get way more penetration. But a hollow
point round, you'll see it go in and you have
a permanent womb cavity, and you have a temporary womb cavity.
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And the permanent womb cavity is the hole that you
poke in like an ice pick. The temporary womb cavities.
You see the shock wave as the round goes in
and it expands, and that temporary womb cavity where it
just blows up like a balloon. It's like it's like
taking and pushing your fist into water in a swimming
pool or punching the water or hit it with an
(42:31):
open hand or hit it with with your hand pointedary displacement. Yeah,
and you're what you're going to do is that splash
of that water when you punch the water or hit
it with your open hand versus you know, the blade
of your hand. You're going to see the organs and
the soft tissue in the body expand to the point
where it tears. It's going to do more damage to
vital organs, It's going to more damage to the vessels
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and the arteries and the veins that that and is
more likely to neutralize that person quicker because it's interrupting
the bodily functions. And that's what the difference between a
hallow point and a full mail jack. I mean, And
why don't you just shoot hallow point set to rain.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Because there because there's a dollar and a quarter a peace.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, if you can shoot,
you're paying a.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Lot for the technology that goes into making that expanding projected.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Pay for target.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
No, you just need to make a hole to see
where you're hitting. And and everybody goes well, the military
carries full militjack. Yeah, they have to by the Hague Convention.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
UH.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
World War one. UH, basically some one of the rules
of warfare was that we don't that we don't well, okay, yeah,
I don't disagree with you. And there's some some circumstances
where our military can use expanding rounds in the fight
against terror h then shoot hallow points and so all
points against terrorists, but not other opposing armies. And it
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doesn't make sense for the military to necessarily for our
soldier to kill their soldier, because if our soldier can
wound their soldier, it takes two other soldiers to take
that wounded soldier. So you're moving two or three people
from the battlefield by wounding rather than killing.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Okay, I get that, But I mean, do we really
want that bullet passing through.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
On a battlefield? It doesn't matter, Yeah, battlefield. That's why
they clear rooms with frag grenades instead of.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
That's the difference between But yeah, exactly, Charlie. That's the
difference between an entry team and the military and an
entry team in law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
But you know, look at the situation where the entry
team and now you know, one of the good guys
behind the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, that's and that's always a that's always a risk.
Well that's why, like I said, the military to wait.
The way they clear a room is they crack the
door open, roll the frag grenade in there, and get everybody.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Well, five six rounds aren't really terrible about overpenetrating, you know.
And that's the typical military round. But that's for what
we're talking about. The difference between a hollow point round
and a full metal jacket round is I mean when
and honestly, if I'm in an ar I've got a
soft point or something in there. Before my self defense arounds,
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I'm in my truck gun or something. I'm not running
full metal jacket stuff. Now my third, fourth, fifth magazine
may be full of full metal jacket because at.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
That paints have gotten real bad. I just want to
make a hole in something, right.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
I try to keep the grain weight in a rifle
similar so that I've got similar ballistics, but it's slated
in for what's in the magazine. But that's a truck gun.
That's different than my self defense pistol or my home
defense pistol or whatever. My conceal carry pistol.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, you don't. And I told you this by one
box of this expensive stuff to load your magazines with
when you're done shooting at the range. Don't go straight
down to the range and shoot this expensive stuff. However,
you needn't do need to shoot a few of them
to make sure your gun functions with the hall of points,
because we see that a lot. We're certain firearms and
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it's not necessarily any maker model. I can't tell you
that no glock will shoot this bullet. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
This specifical you need to if you have mass produced
modern firearms, modern designed firearms. You can count on most
hollow point ammunition to function. Most guns now take a
modern gun. We struggled to Sheriffs Office years ago when
the swat team was carried nineteen elevens. No, not a
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modern gun, an old design which you know people love them,
you know love them. I love them. I've got a
number of them, but I don't carry them because you
go putting gold dot ammunition and they're modern, gold dot
and modern. It's thirty years old modern gun. Gold dot
ammunition in that sucker with that big square front on
that round which in that feed ramp, and that nineteen
(46:43):
eleven was not designed for that type of bullet. And
then you take the modern manufactured pistols which are very
tightly tolerant. They are, they are, they don't there's not
a lot of slopping them. The original nineteen elevens had
a lot of slop in them. They were designed this
combat weapons. You throw them the mud, pick them up,
shoot them with round nose, full metal and jacket bullets
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and they would work. But then they started squeezing down
the tolerances and making you know that with the new
technologies and everything now anything a grain of sand can
slow one down sometimes, I mean, and you put square
pointed bullets in there and you go to range and
shoot ball amo all day long, and that sucker a run.
But then the magazine choice that you have, because there's
so many different brands and magazines with certain bullet designs,
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and we were running we had to run a specific
magazine with a specific round, with specific aftermarket recoil springs
in there were Chip McCormick power mags. We were having
to run higher powered recoil springs in the Kimber Classic
stainless twos that we had in order to get them
(47:49):
to work ninety five percent of the time. I mean,
it was just it was it was, well, and they're
they're they're they're beautiful. I don't carry one. Now, if
you get the sloppier ones, you get a lot of
lot of rounds through them, and you find that happy
medium point, and you get the bullet design it's a
little rounder on the front, then they're reliable.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
But you talked about what I was talking about with
any of you buy any brand new gun off the
shelf and you figure out, okay, well I want to
I want to carry this HaLow Point round. Go shoot
a few of them through there to make sure the
gun cycles. Because you may have some tolerance issue with
that particular bullet design, with that particular fire that they
may not g haf, they may not like each other,
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and they may not work. But because and you want
to know if the HaLow Points are carrying in your
self defense gun are going to work, I wouldn't recommend important,
very important.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
There's only two there's only two times, two times, only
two times that your firearm's gonna malfunction. That's in training
or in a fight.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, one or the other.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I mean so it's kind of you kind of
want it to malfunction in training, so you learn a lesson.
Get it tweaked. I'm just telling you, if for the
average person, so the handgun officionado, all these people, yeah,
good bye with you. I'm not trying to tell you,
don't buy in nineteen eleven, or don't buy this, or
do buy that. But for the average listener, this show
the average person who's looking for a home defense, a
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personal defence. Can sel carry firearm, stay mainstream, stay in
the middle of the pack. Don't go get some new
cool thing. Don't go get I gotta find me some
fringible in me. I saw a video.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I just dude, I got to get some of the
ripstop rip stop. Yeah, kill them dead bad guy bullets.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
So you show up, you show up in court. You
show up in court, and you had this highly modified
killer pistol with the with the the blah blah blah
trigger in it and the major and then you you
had engraved on the end of the slide, you know,
you know, wait for the flash and you and you've
got all and you've got skulls and crossbones on the
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side of it and all this stuff. And then you're
and you're sitting in the court room and you go
while I was in fear for my life from blah
blah blah blah blah. And then they start showing this
pistol and the jury's over there going in, Fred, I mean,
how smart? What is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I mean, so I go back to court with the
spider web on his nest. I was afraid tear drops
up under his Now does it you're not going to testify, buddy.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Well, it doesn't take away from the fact that you
might have been an imminent fear of death or great
bodily harm. But if it cut boils down to the
question of the jury making that decision.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
I go back to the I have people all the
time I want to put a better trigger in my
carry gun, and I say, absolutely, that's a terrible idea.
I'll do it for you. Terrible idea. Why George Mram
and trayvon Martin, if you followed that case like I did,
they spent the better part of a single day in
that case testifying to the trigger pull weight of the
PF nine Celtic that he was carrying, and the fact
(50:45):
that it was the factory settings on that gun. The
trigger pool was between seven and nine pounds. His measured
seven pounds because he had shot it a lot, it
was worn in, it was it was broken in really well,
every surface is moved. Also, it was a crisp seven
pound trigger pool. They had to get a factory tech
from kill Tech testify that that gun had not been modified. Now,
the question is what if it had been modified, where
(51:08):
would they have gone with that?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
They would Yeah, they would have been set.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Up that said Block has a factory trigger that ain't pay.
If you can add to your crystal sooth and you
do that, then Block made it. That's a different story
and we'll see all that time
Welcome to the Town Outdoor Show. I'm Charlie. That's JD.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Read Captain ball off dress.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh man, oh man, this is this show today. If
you're listening to this show, something didn't go right somewhere
along the line. Somewhere along the line, something something happened.
We couldn't show up, something went wrong, the scheduling got
sideways or whatever. We are just randomly recording a show
(00:37):
to put into the can, so to speak, in case
something happens. Because we're doing this show on a on
a weekend, we're heading out of town to do something
and we're going to try to do some more stuff.
And so you may be listening to this five years
from now. Might be I might not even be around anymore.
This this might I might I might be gone, and
you're listening to this show, and I're going, well, we
had to go back but.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
To find that to dig him up and get a
show done, the ug him up here just a minute ago.
Well we so we wee in my life.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
We just watched JD. Scarf down his lunch in front
of all of us, and and then the belt and
he burt belt whatever and umigated the room.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes, well it's better.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know what I'd rather smell chewed hail, the pinot chips,
then I would what it will be in a few hours.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So you.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Go get his get his can over there.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Let the smell that bad. It's like Fosse said, not bad.
Is that coop poop?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The idea behind it is.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Just going to the daughter to get that fixed.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They cannot fix them direct. Finally, functions are not something
I'm good with.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I just I'm so happy to know that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's mine.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
You're got tears the eyes or water.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
They make this stuff that you put on uh uh,
like roses and stuff keep deer off his car invisible fence. Ye,
my wife calls it deer ass.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It's the smell. I mean, just to think about it.
And so when I'm out in the yard trying to
put this stuff on the roses better and I'm spraying it,
I'm out there hacking and yacking. While I'm trying to
spray roses. Neighbors are out looking at me. What's wrong
with that game?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Some of that put on the neighbor's corn pile.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I bought I bought some of that good. Remember that
bad spray that U d t tell them I got
some of it at the house. I hadn't I have.
It is so bad, I'm scared to do anything with it.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You don't need to bring out all this property.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I want to see it. I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, it might, it might make it to South Dakota.
You just never know.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Any Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So we so in this particular pre recorded show that
we're doing here today, we don't want to talk about
anything timely or political or dated or anything like that.
But so we did want to kind of go back
to what our show was supposed to be about when
we started the show, and that is guns training, some
(03:37):
you know, outdoors related stuff that's not seasonal hunting season.
So the Lord knows, you may hear this show two
or three times over the years, just we might get lazy.
But so I want to go to JD. Let's let's
go to basically, let's talk about handguns.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Okay, okay, questions across the gun counter.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So so when you're standing at the gun counter, what
are one of the what's one of the main questions
people come in and ask. When it comes to someone,
they all right, so I come in and I know
this one gets asked a lot, I'm looking for a pistol.
What should I buy?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a really common question. So
and there's never a and I'm never across the counter.
I'm never gonna answer that with a you should buy
a Smith and Wesson this or a glock that, or
a sig this or a that. I'm never gonna answer
that question. I'm not gonna I'm not even gonna give
you an answer of revolver or semi automatic. Try not to.
(04:38):
I try really hard not to make those recommendations. I
try to encourage people to go try it for themselves
and then explain the difference and the pros and cons,
the pros and cons. Semi auto revolver revolvers are lower capacity.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Always.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Semi autos are at least gonna have six or seven shots,
so you've got capacity revolve most revolvers that are small
enough to conceal. You're looking at a five on a
good day, maybe a six shot revolver. And then it's
gonna dictate. Are you looking for something to carry all
the time, how are you planning on carrying? Or are
you buying something to compete with? Or are you buying
(05:16):
something for home protection.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So I say, okay, my follow up question is, well,
i want to have something to carry in my car.
I'm probably not going to carry on me right now,
but I want something in the car and I can
keep it the house or defend myself.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
So my suggestion would be something along the lines. Well,
you can look at a four inch barrel, longer barrel revolver,
bigger full size revolver in thirty eight or three fifty seven,
but that's not gonna be my recommendation.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So I'm not I don't want a revolver that's the
old school. Is hard pulling the trigger, hard.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Pulling the trigger, not easy to reload, It's got a
lot of there's a lot of the cons to the revolver.
So on a semi automatic, I would say, all right, well,
we're looking at something of a meat medium to full
size nine millimeter, and I am going to recommend nine millimeter.
There are other options of forty KL is good, the
forty five is good. Three eighty is the minimum. Three
(06:13):
eighty ACP would be the minimum caliber for self defense
that I would recommend. So I would probably try to
push you towards something like a block nineteen A SIG
three sixty five fuse Smith and Wesson, M and P
and something of those compact size like a clock nineteen
(06:34):
is not the biggest nine millimeter they make, it's not
the smallest. Is kind of right there in the middle.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, with these grips, but.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The capacity of that pistol is going.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
To be in the range of fifteen rounds roughly, all
of those fifteen to seventeen shots, and all of those
double stack.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And so you go with a medium size nine millimeters
semi automatic. Now nine millimeter, you recommend nine millimeters or why.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Less recoal, more capacity, and the performance of modern hollow
point nine millimeter is going to be so similar to
some of the bigger calibers that have more recoil and
less capacity. There's really no reason, there's no reason in
my opinion, for the forty Smith and Wesson to even
exist anymore. It still does. Law enforcement adopted it years
(07:21):
ago wholesale. I mean, they just switched out because nine
millimeter was not good enough. And it was based on
one incident pretty much nationally, one incident which was the
armored car robbery down in Miami, and you had some
bad guys and the FBI agents were armed with nine
millimeter with a very much inferior projectile they were shooting.
(07:46):
They were shooting silver tip Winchester silvertip hollow points, which
were a poor choice to start with, and they didn't
have the desired effect when they hit the back, even
when they hit the bad guys. So the bad guys
were able to absorb a lot of shots and still
do bad things afterwards. So the FBI came out and said, well,
we want to get rid of the nine millimeter. Went
(08:07):
through this long iteration, they went to a ten millimeter,
the ten millimeter norma cartridge, which is almost a magnum
powered semi automatic cartridge.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Hard to shoot.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's hard to shoot because of the dramatic difference between
the recoil of the nine milimeters and ten millimeter, and
so they started having all these issues with people not
being able to qualify with these big, powerful, heavy guns.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
So they sought it off.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So they got with the manufacturer and said, we want
to download this ten milimeter to this bulletweight and this velocity,
and the manufacturer said, well, we can do that in
a smaller package, which the forty Smith and Wesson was born.
And now, because technology, the nine millimeter has kind of
caught up to the forty, and there's not a nickels
worth of difference in the performance of.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Those between the nine and the ten.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, power factor.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Wise, yes, yeah, aliber, it's the same as the ten.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeap, it's a forty caliber. Ten millimeter is the same diameter.
Point nine millimeter is the same as a thirty eight seven.
So nine millimeters if you are converting from metric to
s ae.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Uh well wait a minute, what's the three eighty if.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's also a nine milimeter.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Shorter?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It's just a less gunpowder yep.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, shorter casing and less.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, well I wouldn't the nine millimeters, I mean the
three I mean I like a three eighty because they
make smaller guns that fit my hand.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yep, because it's a slower bullet.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, a slower person.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Well that makes sense. Yeah, it's the three eighty as
popular as a carry gun because you can put it
in a smaller package and it's doesn't recoils back.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You think of like a forty five long cult something
with more powder in it, a revolver versus a forty
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we're back. So when we left, we were talking about
what people when they come into the gun counter and go, hey,
I just want to go and I mentioned, you know
what we had discussed was I want a pistol for
my vehicle and my home. But okay, so now they's
change that over and go, okay, I want a pistol.
(11:14):
Somebody just cranked up something in the parking lot and
it's like they need know, they need to they need
to leave the So Posterity is going to record this. Yeah,
so Mike. So then the other question is I come
int there and I go listen, I'm looking for a
pistol for concealed carry. And now I know that there's
(11:36):
a difference between me at two seventy five and six
foot three and Fred at midget status over here. That
what you're going to recommend. So what when we go
from a mid sized nine millimeter down to a concealed
carry pistol.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So you go with the the the new fairly new
to the gun world market of micro what I will
just call micro nine millimeters. They're smaller than even the
original what was the subcompact. They've managed to squeeze down
a lot of guns and make a what I would
(12:14):
consider a very small nine millimeter or some of the
bigger three eighties. So some of the some of the
three eighties are similar size. So one I got You're
Smith and Wilson Bodyguard two point zero. That is the
hottest selling pistol in the country right now.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Love that game.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, we're constantly ordering those and getting them in and
selling them out and getting some more, and so they're
big time sellers right now. And in the fall of
twenty twenty four it just came out and it's the
hottest selling thing on the planet now that that may change.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's the new riger LCP from back when it was
hot and the al had one.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, because of the capacity you went from you went
for a very small gun. So they took some of
this nine millimeter micro technology and it was really a
simple It was a simple fix. And what they did
was what everybody used to call a single stack nine millimeter.
They basically turned took a magazine sig. SIG is pretty
(13:15):
much who I credit with because the first ones I
ever saw was a SIG where they took a double
stack magazine and essentially funneled it down into a single stack.
The last two or three rounds are single stack, but
the rest of the magazine is double stack, and it's
just got a funnel design that's taking the double side
by side bullets sitting side by side of a magazine
and pushing them down into a single feed, so you
(13:35):
can make the slide very thin. Yeah, and that's the
that's the key. Everybody thinks that the grip size of
a gun really doesn't add to conceal easy, easy concealability.
It's the thickness, the width of the slide is what
makes to me a gun concealing.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I mean, it's just you put it in your hand
and you're like, this is the best fit.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, because it has the double stack magazine design of
grips slightly larger.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
A little bit longer, a little bit bigger round, so
it's way more the.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
More to hang on to versus when they make say
the single stack micros. You've got the little bitty slide
and a little bitty grip that's the same width as
the slide. And it's for especially big hands like we have.
It's hard to hang on to those things. And I mean,
the granted we still carry one to shoot one is
a backup and as for our pocket gun, but it's
not it's not comfortable and it's not as accurate. And
(14:29):
another thing on a lot of these guns is they
don't put real sights on some of the early models.
You know that there's just nothing there to look at
because it's a get off the gun. And that's another
thing you have to have expect reasonable expectations that are
if you go too small, it is a pistol, that's
you know, it's a it's a conversational distance pistol at
that point, and it is a point and shoot. And
(14:49):
you can reference this front side that like the old
Ruegrell cps, there's no sight to speak of on this,
just a little bump on the end of the it's
just pointing your finger and pulling the tree.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Bodyguard has got a great site.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well yeah, because they made these changes over time and
in response to market demand, and they've they could have
done this from the get go, but it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Was they didn't think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, they didn't think about it, and it costs the
more to make it that way. And so as technique
manufacturing techniques change, you're getting smaller and smaller functional pistols
carrying a little bit more capacity. And I mean, in
my opinion this day and age, there's no reason.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
To go with a revolver other and you just like
I agree, I agree, and it is We have a
lot of husbands that bring a lot of their wives
in here, and they're dead set on my wife. And
I hear this across the gun counter. Since we're doing
across the gun counter, I hear this across the gun
My wife can't operate a semi automatic and with it
with his wife standing there, and I look at her
(15:44):
and I say, yes, you can. You just have to
get some lessons. You have to learn how to do it.
But if you can operate a can opener in the kitchen,
you can operate a semi automatic. And I know women
operate complicated stuff all the time that they've been exposed
to and they understand how to use. But it's like
anything else. I can't operate a sewing machine.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's why I was fusshing to see you tell that
old man to go go run her sewing machine. Yeah,
not that we're being sexist or putting people in classifications,
but the fact is what it is very if he
is because he's coming in and saying, my wife can't
do this. Well, the thing is is we need to
train that lady without him standing there, because what he's
doing is man's plaining everything to her.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We can obviously ninety nine percent of the time I
quit talking. When when that conversation starts that way, I
go look at the lady and I said, if you'll
listen to me and let me show you how this
is supposed to be done, and do what I'm telling
you to do, you can operate this. And ninety nine
point nine percent of the time they can operate it,
(16:47):
absolutely just as well as anybody else. And I said,
let me guess you were you know they'll they'll show
the hand position. Well, my husband said do it this way,
and I said, no offense to him, but that's absolutely
the wrong way. Let me show you the right way
and the way the methods that we teach and have
talked for years and years and years don't require any
degree of great degree of hand strength or whatever grip strength.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
When they came out with the Smith and Wesson EZ
series and started making pistols that were capable of being
operated by people with less hand strength, and I know
that that product line has evolved two different things now,
but you know I literally can take one of those
and hold the slide in one hand and use my
(17:31):
trigger finger and push the slide, push the frame under
the slide was one finger. I mean, so anybody can
operate that thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Another thing is that people women. I see women all
the time, or people struggling with hand strength and they
sit there and they trying to do it over and
over and over again. I said, look, you just have
to accomplish this one time. You have to be able
to rack that slide on that semi automatic with a
loaded magazine and you got to do that one time.
It's going to fire. You do that one time. You
load that chamber, it's going to fire till is empty.
(18:02):
The slide's going to lock to the rear. You put
another magazine in there and you hit the slide release
or a little bit of tension pulled back on the slide,
and it's going to do it all for you. Again.
That's the beautiful beauty over some automatic.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
See too many people get into well that they can't
they can't.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Your your technical instructors, your high end tactical instructors are going, well,
you know, they can't operate this because they can't do
five reloads and this and that and one handed reloads
and hold on, buddy, that's that's for that's for your
tack ops. Guys and people need for the average You know,
we train, we train at all these levels, but what
(18:39):
the main one we train is first time shooters, teaching
them how to functionally operate a pistol in order to
get it from empty status to loaded status to firing
it and then at that point in time, you know, yes,
make it safe, but if you can't even get to
that point, at least you've been able to neutralize the
threat you were after. I mean, if you have the
chamber around for your wife and then put it in
(19:03):
a safe status loaded, then all she's got to do
is pull the trigger. YEP. I don't like safeties because
that's something else that under stress you have to remember
to take off. It's a it's a fine motor skill,
and fine motor skills don't operate well under critical incident stress.
And then somebody kicking the door in and screaming at them.
Is that that's that's big dumb movements, not fine motor skills.
(19:26):
That's critical incident stress. And safeties are a bad idea.
I just think they are.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Quick question Fred sitting over there with a perplexed, perplexed
look on his face won't ask a question.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, So what give me an example of what you
think the strongest versus the light or lightest versus the
most difficult slide racking gun is what what.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well you have? You have the like Charlie said, the
Smith and Wilson Easy family, which is a couple of
different guns. There's an Easy three eighty and nine millimeters
which is now called the Equalizer, which they have gone
in there and lightened up the recoil spring to make
it and lightened up the weight of the slide to
make it extremely easy to work to slide on nothing else.
(20:11):
And then Ruger and some other companies have tried to
emulate that in some fashion another. They's a couple of
different easy racking slides out there. I'm not a giant
fan of them because I have been very successful at
getting people to work any gun they pick up by
doing the right technique. And those guns I don't personally
(20:36):
think that they're going to have the lifespan there. They're
not going to stay together as long as a gun
that has a standard recoil spring. There's physics says it
can't happen.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, they're they're not a frequent shooter long term that
high traffic the gun.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Even the SIG three sixty five, which is one of
the more popular carry guns in the country. It has
a twenty five hundred round read the manual that says
it in the man I'm not making this up. At
twenty five hundred rounds, they're telling you you need to
replace your recool spring guide, rod assembly. And most people
will never show and those people will never shoot twenty
five hundred rounds in it. What you care?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, I ca I carried Glock forty eight.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I thought that was a sick.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I carried a three sixty five for about a year,
and then Glock got smart and came out with the
forty eight and the forty eight, and I carry a
forty eight. That's what I have on right now. I mean,
and we're talking about all these different brands, and ultimately,
if you ask me what brand pistol to go with,
I'm going to ask you what your needs are. And
if you can run a glock, I want you to
run a clock because it's the simplest one to operate.
(21:40):
And then there's so many different models.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Of it that you know that just about find one
that fits your needs.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So I run a Glock forty eight that comes with
a stock ten round magazine, but I use the shield
Arms magazine, which is what fifteen rounds plus one. So
I got sixteen rounds on me right now with no
spare magazine and a very conceivable pistol. Any talent Holster,
by the way.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Let me change the talent. Yeah, so I'm a big
fan of the talent Holster.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah. We are too well build, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
And there's like I said, there's everybody has gotten into
this game, and there's a lot of good quality ones,
a lot of good quality pistols out there on the market,
there's no question about it. And I carry a glock.
I carryed the same gun he's carried. Uh. There is
one reason why clock is the only pistol I know
of that we sell, or that they exist on the planet.
That you could literally tie to the bumper of your
(22:30):
truck and drag it from here down to the range
and it would work when it got there. Yeah, the
high probability of it working when it got I would
be angry if I would be too, but it's a
high chance of a working.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
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Speaker 1 (23:38):
And we're back. So we were talking about truck, our
vehicle and home defense pistols, and then we talked about
conceal cary pistols in the different models and sizes and
stuff that are available. Now in this segment, let's talk
about because Fred is just wanting to talk about holsters,
Let's talk a little bit about how to store and
(24:02):
conceal farms in the home, and then the how to
store and cansal firearms in a vehicle and on your personnel.
If we can do that five minutes. But because I said,
there's an entire industry behind that.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, that is a fairly big industry. You know, everybody's
situation is different. Everybody's built different individually. Our bodies are
all different. Believe it or not. Little skinny guys can
conceal bigger guns than guys might in your size.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I wish you'd show me how well.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Well you look at any of those skinny guys that
come in here and have a monster pistol in an
appendix carry with two spare magazine shoved down in front
of their pants, and you can't tell they're wearing that
because they don't have a gut.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, and it's a matter of that's how much dunlop
do you have? You know you barely dunlocked over your belt.
It's all about the dunlop.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It takes all I can do to stay in a
pair of pants. I mean, I keep I wear I
wear at five o'clock just above my wallet because when
I when I draw, I'm in a situation I'm reaching
back to where my wallet is. If I'm in a
position of disadvantage, I'm reaching somebody's trying to rob me
or something and go here, you can have my money.
As I go under my shirt tail, I'm reaching from
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my wallet. But just above that, it's about six inches
is my glock forty eight. And that's what I'm coming
around with, and that's what I'm gonna work with now.
So yes, But but the thing, but the thing is is,
you know, we we based this somewhere way we're built,
but you take some of these little skinny fellows and
it's amazing what they can consider.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I know some of my employees that are that are
physically fit, young young guys. They're carrying full size clock
seventeen's with a holographic site on there with a red
dot site and two magazines in an appendix style sidecar
holster right across there where their belly buttons are on
their belt, and you can't tell they're wearing a gun
(25:54):
It's all about the type of holster you choose inside
the way span, outside the way spand how you're built,
the material the holsters made out of. You know, the
Kaitex has come a long way, the hard plastic, multiple
hard plastic holsters that we make. I was not sold
on Kaidekx for a long time until Jesse made me
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a custom one for my gun for me and how
I carry, And now I wear it every day all day,
put it on when I leave the house, take it
off when I get home.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I had never seen the pocket holster and until uh,
until you guys turned me on to it, that's kind
of become my I love that thing because it's kind
of like a skin for your for your small gun.
It's easy to put in a a just behind the
belt and just up against you know that if it
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does fall down, it's gonna follow my pocket. Yeah, and
it's just just just an easy way to carry. Yeah,
and we got to have your shirt untuck.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
But yeah, we designed those a long time ago. You know,
they've been around and there we've got different ones that
we designed.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Over the years, and well they're designed to go in
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah. Well, our wallet holster was what made us basically
capable of doing all the things we've done. Jad and
I we started his company and we were training out
in the woods and we're teaching some classes, and went
out to the Pat Thomas Academy and started teaching some
classes out there. And in order to the evolution of
our company basically started with our our getting a building
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a website so that we could let people pay for classes.
And then we found some holsters, one of which was
a wallet holster. Modified that design with the help of
the guy who was building them. We made some changes
to make it our own design and had him building
them until he couldn't keep up put them on the website,
and we couldn't keep him in stock. And we went
through three different manifacts and now all of a sudden,
ultimately they're made here in the house. We went to
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the opice. Most people outsource after they get successful. We
insourced and so every and that we now have our
own leather d cd X manufacturing capable abilities here. Based
on the need for the Ruger LCP to fit in
a pocket, yep, and it goes that's what and when
we built the range, we could cash flow building the
range based on the amount of holsters we could sell
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at that point in time, and which is what put
us where we are today.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Fascinating to go back there and watch him do that.
I really enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it is an art form. It certainly is a
mess some of that leather.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
We'll be back in just time.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
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Speaker 2 (29:41):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Anyway, so we talked about well, we didn't really get
too deep in the holsters. We talked a little bit
about it. But all right, so in the home, okay,
So at home, a lot of people, a lot of
your situations can depend on whether you got kids or not. Yep.
I mean cause you know pretty much if you've got
guns in the home, you have you have children. And
I'm not talking about late teens. I'm talking about little kids.
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Particularly if if you're kids and you've trained them not
to be strangers to firearms, and you know, they take
of the curiosity away from it, which is what we
always go back to. Let them shoot and understand, my kids,
my gun's around. I got a twelve year old son.
He didn't care about that stuff because he's shot so
many times. He's not gonna go messing with my guns.
Now when friends come over, I go put the guns
up now. I make sure they're secured. A lot of
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people are getting into you know, they want to well,
I want to secure the gun in the home, but
I need to be able to get to it. We're
putting it in a vault is not the way to
get to it in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
But a tend digit combination on a on a even
on a digital keypad is to get in a safe
is not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That's not happening.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So what's my wife's date of birth? Again?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I struggle us dark and trying to find and I
struggle with anything. I struggle with biometric stuff or anything
that requires a battery for me to operate in a hurry.
I do like there are some products out there now
that are just press and click type deals. You know,
my preferred method is concealed somewhere that only I can reach.
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But my wife can't reach it. So there's an issue there.
But you know that, So when you're looking around and
securing things in the home, I'd be very cautious about
things that require batteries, because batteries tend to corrode over time,
go bad unless.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
You put yourself on a regular schedule of replacing them,
and even.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And even then and even then, or if it's it's
you know, something that plugs into the wall and has
to reach argeable battery. I mean, just think long and
hard about and then you need to almost daily or
several times a week, you need to access that firearm
so that it begins with with your eyes closed, so
that you can do it in the dark. And then
you need to figure out how I'm going to get
from point A to point B to get to that.
(31:56):
Just keep keep in mind storing in the home while
you need to be safe. And in Florida, it is
the law if a child under the age you know,
fifteen or younger obtains the fireman then takes it somewhere
and does something dangerous with it, displays in public, or
harms himself or another with it, you can be charged
with the crime. But that's only if they do those things.
(32:17):
Keeping it my kids twelve, I'm not breaking the law
by leaving the gun where he can get it. Now,
if he hurts himself with it. If he takes it
and goes somewhere with it, then yes, I can be
charged with the crime at that point. But it's a
too it's a two prong thing. You have to leave
it where they can get it a reasonable person. We
believe it's really successfully and something they have to go do.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Something when kids are really young. It's a pretty easy fix,
but it's somewhere where they can't reach it or get
to it, or even though it's there, you know, elevate
it when they're As they get older and they start
to understand things, quit don't. Don't hide it from them.
That's the biggest mistake that I see parents make as well.
(32:55):
We have guns in the house, but we don't want
our kids to see them. We don't your kids plundering
around the house. They're they're going to encounter them. Take
the mystery away. And we've said this.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You got an eight year old son that likes to
play army in the yard, he does not. You do
not need to have a pistol laying around the house
where he can just readily grab it, unless I mean,
I'm just saying this is a bad idea, But take
the mystery out. They don't they want They know that's
off limits. My kids, my oldest, my adult children, they
taught that from early on. I got grandkids, come over.
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Those guns get put up now. So that's in the home.
Just you have to look at your situation now, in
the vehicle you've got. Yeah, so it well, Florida and Alabama,
Georgia are about the same, you know, except for Alabama
and Georgia pretty much. Lets you do whatever you want
to do now. Florida, we can carry without a permit
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concealed nowadays, but you still have the vehicle's in your vehicle.
It still has to be securely in case.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, the gun's in your vehicle, not on your person, right,
it has to be securely in case, not ready for
immediate use. And there is a legal definition of what
that means, which is basically closed up in a box,
snapped in a holster, in the glove compartment, in a
center console.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And that applies whether you have a concealed permanent or not.
You can't carry in your car. That's right, stupid, but
that's the law.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, And we get questions I got earlier this week.
I got the question, something we want to come out
to the range, but we haven't gotten our permits have expired.
We want to come out to the range and shoot.
How do we get from the house to the range
to shoot.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Put it in the glove compartment, put.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
It in a case, put it in a gun case,
put it in a box. Come on to the range.
No problem.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Actually, I think it says if you are en route to.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
The gun range route, if you're in route to the
gun if you're going hunting, fishing, camping, if you are hunting, fishing, camping,
or going to and from one of those activities or
two and from a gun range, you can carry openly
in the state of Florida right now. In Alabama, Georgia,
you just carry openly, But in Florida you have to
be engaged in one of those activities. The question then becomes,
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I'm heading to the gun range and I stop at
the gas station.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
No, that's gonna that's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, I stop at the gas station, I go into
Denny's to get something to eat.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Maybe I go into the I go into the big
box store on the way to the gun range to
buy a box of ambo.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Okay, let me liken it to this. Uh so you've
got a guy who has a restricted driver's licenses says
he can only drive for work purposes. Okay, he's on
his way to work. He stops at Wendy's to get breakfast.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okayh he's fine. I would say, yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Uh he stops for a five course meal at the
Governor's Club.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Probably not fine, right.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
One of them's recreational. The other ones this work purposes necessity.
So Denny's gray area, Yeah, the one you should be
prosecuted for eating at Denny's.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Well, I mean that that that skillet. The skillets are
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Now, I'm just saying, So you're going to get the
problem you're going to run into when you start to
push the issue like that. You're pushing the envelope and
open carry in a state in Florida where you are
very restricted and the laws make no sense, but they're
on the books. So you're going to run into law
enforce You're gonna run into people that don't know any better,
and then they're going to say something law enforcements. A
lot of cops don't know and don't understand and don't
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understand the depth and the breadth of how these things
are interpretated. Interpretated interpreted. That was what happens when I'm
trying not to burp and I'm talking, so the uh
so you're going You're run in law enforcement all the time,
and as a former watch commander at Sheriff's office, I
can tell you deputies will call you and go, hey,
I got this situation, and you're sitting there thinking okay.
(36:52):
Then you're explaining it to them and you're wondering why
they don't know the answer because you're just You're supposed
to know everything. You're supposed to know all of the
criminal laws, all how it all applies, and be able
to apply it to the real world. But that's not
always the case. So you will run into law enforcement
officers that don't understand the law and people. Where a
lot of misconceptions come from is people will ask a
(37:14):
cop a question, hey, uh, how how do I secure
a gun in my car in Florida? And it be okay,
And then somewhere along the line somebody goes, well, it's
got to be three steps, and that became that became
this old wive's tale legacy BS thing, and everybody started
going about it. And I promise you some old cop
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was picking up lunch and somebody as you got that,
you got to go through three movements in order to
get to that, make that crap up.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
And that's what.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, I have no idea where that I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I had a cop tell me that. I'm like, where
are you talking?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's what I'm saying right exactly when I had I had,
I had deputies to ask me these questions over to you, Hey,
what do you mean about three steps something? What do
you mean about three steps that's not in writing?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Step? Is that's what you do at the honey talk
on Friday night?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So and I go go back and read the statue
put in a zip lock bag.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
It's it's well, it's legal, I tell you securely.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
I lost a gun in a case that the guy
had a grocery bag of full sized brown paper grocery
bag full of weed with with a high with the
lost the gun with a high point nine millimeter laying
on top of the weed and the bad paper bag
was rolled up and that the weed. But he went
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on the weed because there was a lot of weed.
I lost the gun.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's the that's the thing
is people, even though he had the weed. It was
still listen. Don't don't ask. Don't don't ask law enforcement
officers for legal opinions over lunch. First off, First off,
all they want to do is eat, and they don't
appreciate you doing anything other than hey, thank you for
your service. Anything beyond that, you're you're pestering them. They don't.
(39:07):
They're like, Ma, I've been dealing with this crap all day.
Just thank me for what I do for a living
and go on about your business. And I don't mean
to leave me alone anything, Mama, lunch.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Do you ask a lawyer for legal advice after five
o'clock on any given afternoons if they like, let yeah,
we'll be right back.
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Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah. The some of the biggest some of the other
big questions I get across the gun counter is what
type of AMMO do I put in my gun? For
what purpose? Or you know, why is this practice am
sixteen dollars a box for fifty and this stuff over
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here is twenty five dollars for a box of twenty
five of them. You know, and a lot of people
will to understand that for self defense purposes, a target round,
a full metal jacket target reun will put a hole
in anything anybody. It'll it'll make a hole. It is
not likely to do as much damage as a holowpoint realm.
(41:30):
The hollow point the biggest advantage. The reason hollow points
are expanding rounds exist is to keep from over penetrating
when you have to you know, God forbid you have
to shoot somebody. You don't want the bullet to pass
all the way through them and keep on going and
hit an unintended target.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
You see that in ballistic gelatin shoes. You can google
nine million liters ballistic gelatine and look at and you
see as a full metal jacket round will go in
and you'll it'll spiral right through the gelatin. A lot
of times you'll get way more penetration. But a hollow
point round, you'll see it go in and you have
a permanent womb cavity, and you have a temporary womb cavity.
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And the permanent womb cavity is the hole that you
poke in like an ice pick. The temporary womb cavities.
You see the shock wave as the round goes in
and it expands, and that temporary womb cavity where it
just blows up like a balloon. It's like it's like
taking and pushing your fist into water in a swimming
pool or punching the water or hit it with an
(42:31):
open hand or hit it with with your hand pointedary displacement. Yeah,
and you're what you're going to do is that splash
of that water when you punch the water or hit
it with your open hand versus you know, the blade
of your hand. You're going to see the organs and
the soft tissue in the body expand to the point
where it tears. It's going to do more damage to
vital organs, It's going to more damage to the vessels
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and the arteries and the veins that that and is
more likely to neutralize that person quicker because it's interrupting
the bodily functions. And that's what the difference between a
hallow point and a full mail jack. I mean, And
why don't you just shoot hallow point set to rain.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Because there because there's a dollar and a quarter a peace.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, if you can shoot,
you're paying a.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Lot for the technology that goes into making that expanding projected.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Pay for target.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
No, you just need to make a hole to see
where you're hitting. And and everybody goes well, the military
carries full militjack. Yeah, they have to by the Hague Convention.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
UH.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
World War one. UH, basically some one of the rules
of warfare was that we don't that we don't well, okay, yeah,
I don't disagree with you. And there's some some circumstances
where our military can use expanding rounds in the fight
against terror h then shoot hallow points and so all
points against terrorists, but not other opposing armies. And it
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doesn't make sense for the military to necessarily for our
soldier to kill their soldier, because if our soldier can
wound their soldier, it takes two other soldiers to take
that wounded soldier. So you're moving two or three people
from the battlefield by wounding rather than killing.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Okay, I get that, But I mean, do we really
want that bullet passing through.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
On a battlefield? It doesn't matter, Yeah, battlefield. That's why
they clear rooms with frag grenades instead of.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
That's the difference between But yeah, exactly, Charlie. That's the
difference between an entry team and the military and an
entry team in law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
But you know, look at the situation where the entry
team and now you know, one of the good guys
behind the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, that's and that's always a that's always a risk.
Well that's why, like I said, the military to wait.
The way they clear a room is they crack the
door open, roll the frag grenade in there, and get everybody.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Well, five six rounds aren't really terrible about overpenetrating, you know.
And that's the typical military round. But that's for what
we're talking about. The difference between a hollow point round
and a full metal jacket round is I mean when
and honestly, if I'm in an ar I've got a
soft point or something in there. Before my self defense arounds,
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I'm in my truck gun or something. I'm not running
full metal jacket stuff. Now my third, fourth, fifth magazine
may be full of full metal jacket because at.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
That paints have gotten real bad. I just want to
make a hole in something, right.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
I try to keep the grain weight in a rifle
similar so that I've got similar ballistics, but it's slated
in for what's in the magazine. But that's a truck gun.
That's different than my self defense pistol or my home
defense pistol or whatever. My conceal carry pistol.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, you don't. And I told you this by one
box of this expensive stuff to load your magazines with
when you're done shooting at the range. Don't go straight
down to the range and shoot this expensive stuff. However,
you needn't do need to shoot a few of them
to make sure your gun functions with the hall of points,
because we see that a lot. We're certain firearms and
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it's not necessarily any maker model. I can't tell you
that no glock will shoot this bullet. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
This specifical you need to if you have mass produced
modern firearms, modern designed firearms. You can count on most
hollow point ammunition to function. Most guns now take a
modern gun. We struggled to Sheriffs Office years ago when
the swat team was carried nineteen elevens. No, not a
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modern gun, an old design which you know people love them,
you know love them. I love them. I've got a
number of them, but I don't carry them because you
go putting gold dot ammunition and they're modern, gold dot
and modern. It's thirty years old modern gun. Gold dot
ammunition in that sucker with that big square front on
that round which in that feed ramp, and that nineteen
(46:43):
eleven was not designed for that type of bullet. And
then you take the modern manufactured pistols which are very
tightly tolerant. They are, they are, they don't there's not
a lot of slopping them. The original nineteen elevens had
a lot of slop in them. They were designed this
combat weapons. You throw them the mud, pick them up,
shoot them with round nose, full metal and jacket bullets
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and they would work. But then they started squeezing down
the tolerances and making you know that with the new
technologies and everything now anything a grain of sand can
slow one down sometimes, I mean, and you put square
pointed bullets in there and you go to range and
shoot ball amo all day long, and that sucker a run.
But then the magazine choice that you have, because there's
so many different brands and magazines with certain bullet designs,
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and we were running we had to run a specific
magazine with a specific round, with specific aftermarket recoil springs
in there were Chip McCormick power mags. We were having
to run higher powered recoil springs in the Kimber Classic
stainless twos that we had in order to get them
(47:49):
to work ninety five percent of the time. I mean,
it was just it was it was, well, and they're
they're they're they're beautiful. I don't carry one. Now, if
you get the sloppier ones, you get a lot of
lot of rounds through them, and you find that happy
medium point, and you get the bullet design it's a
little rounder on the front, then they're reliable.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
But you talked about what I was talking about with
any of you buy any brand new gun off the
shelf and you figure out, okay, well I want to
I want to carry this HaLow Point round. Go shoot
a few of them through there to make sure the
gun cycles. Because you may have some tolerance issue with
that particular bullet design, with that particular fire that they
may not g haf, they may not like each other,
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and they may not work. But because and you want
to know if the HaLow Points are carrying in your
self defense gun are going to work, I wouldn't recommend important,
very important.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
There's only two there's only two times, two times, only
two times that your firearm's gonna malfunction. That's in training
or in a fight.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, one or the other.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I mean so it's kind of you kind of
want it to malfunction in training, so you learn a lesson.
Get it tweaked. I'm just telling you, if for the
average person, so the handgun officionado, all these people, yeah,
good bye with you. I'm not trying to tell you,
don't buy in nineteen eleven, or don't buy this, or
do buy that. But for the average listener, this show
the average person who's looking for a home defense, a
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personal defence. Can sel carry firearm, stay mainstream, stay in
the middle of the pack. Don't go get some new
cool thing. Don't go get I gotta find me some
fringible in me. I saw a video.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
I just dude, I got to get some of the
ripstop rip stop. Yeah, kill them dead bad guy bullets.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
So you show up, you show up in court. You
show up in court, and you had this highly modified
killer pistol with the with the the blah blah blah
trigger in it and the major and then you you
had engraved on the end of the slide, you know,
you know, wait for the flash and you and you've
got all and you've got skulls and crossbones on the
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side of it and all this stuff. And then you're
and you're sitting in the court room and you go
while I was in fear for my life from blah
blah blah blah blah. And then they start showing this
pistol and the jury's over there going in, Fred, I mean,
how smart? What is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I mean, so I go back to court with the
spider web on his nest. I was afraid tear drops
up under his Now does it you're not going to testify, buddy.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Well, it doesn't take away from the fact that you
might have been an imminent fear of death or great
bodily harm. But if it cut boils down to the
question of the jury making that decision.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
I go back to the I have people all the
time I want to put a better trigger in my
carry gun, and I say, absolutely, that's a terrible idea.
I'll do it for you. Terrible idea. Why George Mram
and trayvon Martin, if you followed that case like I did,
they spent the better part of a single day in
that case testifying to the trigger pull weight of the
PF nine Celtic that he was carrying, and the fact
(50:45):
that it was the factory settings on that gun. The
trigger pool was between seven and nine pounds. His measured
seven pounds because he had shot it a lot, it
was worn in, it was it was broken in really well,
every surface is moved. Also, it was a crisp seven
pound trigger pool. They had to get a factory tech
from kill Tech testify that that gun had not been modified. Now,
the question is what if it had been modified, where
(51:08):
would they have gone with that?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
They would Yeah, they would have been set.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Up that said Block has a factory trigger that ain't pay.
If you can add to your crystal sooth and you
do that, then Block made it. That's a different story
and we'll see all that time
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