June 21, 2025 • 47 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, how are you all? Hey? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Mama's work.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So before the show, we were talking a lot about
deadly force encounters and use of force and what's reasonable
and all that, and being that I'm here, JD, you're here,
Captain Paul, you're here, and our attorney is not here,
let's talk about the law.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, absolutely not being here talking about the law. You know,
we may get something accomplished.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We got a so fred I apologies. Fred was available yesterday,
not today. We were available today. And uh so it
was uh you had you had well, you were doing
some anniversary.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, well Wednesday this past week was Annie and I
was twentieth anniversary twenty years so and anyway, we had
intended to she was gonna take off from work and
we was going to go fishing on Thursday. So I
had planned all that, and then she had to go
to work.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So such as the life of someone in her career path.
My wife also works for a similar type of organization, and.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, you know, at this point in time and
between the two of us, and you know, it's just okay,
it's just is what it is. We'll we'll make up
for at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I did get word today. We weren't going to talk
about it on the air, but there's a particular silencer
company that has our stuff in production. We'll be here
in a few weeks nice, not a few months like
is normal. We've got so cool so I'm looking forward
to that getting some stuff in. So we were talking
about deadly force encounters and Paul, you asked a question
before the show about and we have talked about this
(01:52):
in the last show, and some of the stuff that
went out on TikTok and a little slice stuff makes
it sound like I was advocating running people over and
I am under the right circumstances, but it has to
be under right circumstances if someone puts you in a
situation where you don't have any other choice and you
have to do it. I was kind of poking at
the possibilities in the ways that might occur. And you know,
I think a little follow up might be good because
(02:13):
and you brought it up. There are sheriffs, and there
are it's in Florida constitutional officers who are the primary
constitutional officer in a county, in the sixty seven counties,
and in Alabama and Georgia. I mean sheriffs do everything.
Some states in the nation, they are very limited in
their authority. They do civil process and the courts and
the and the jail. That ain't the way it is
(02:35):
in the South. In the South, the sheriff is demand.
You've got police chiefs who are almost always appointed. There
are like two in the state of Florida. When it
happens to be in Marianna, that's elected by the charter
of the city or whatever. But most of them are
appointed by a mayor or a city council or whatever.
(02:55):
Sheriffs are elected. I think there was there were some
in Florida until a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
There were two Metro Dad and Miami. Jacksonville and Jacksonville
were the two.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I think both of them now may be elected. I'm
not positive. I know one of them, but I can't
remember which.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
One I think. I think the SAANT is pushed and
the legislature pushed for constitutionally elected sheriffs across the state,
and I think that's the way it is now. I
think I think so too, But anyway, yeah, I feel
fairly certain. But Metro Dad and Jacksonville do vall because
they were essentially consolidated between a bunch of the city,
(03:36):
the city and county were consolidated law enforcement agencies. They
were appointed, and but I think that's changed. I don't
keep up with it because it ain't my county. I
don't I agree. I'm fairly certain that it has. The
Santus has done a lot of things to bring things
to be more uniform across the state, which is good
because we should have. I honestly believe we need to.
(03:56):
We need a choice. I'm not going to say that
electing the sheriffs all ways the way you get the
best person for the job. You get the most popular
person for the job. It's not necessarily always the best
person for the job. However, that's how we choose. I
don't know that the people sitting in the in Washington
are the best people for the job, but they are
the people that got chosen. And that's how representative democracy works,
(04:19):
you know, republic, That's how that's how we do things.
So Gus, we're not really a democracy per se, thank
God or else. You know, who.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Screams the loudest would the most us with the loudest
would would be controlling.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Your whole, your world controlled by populist like the voice
or America's got talent or something they got voted in,
so they're yeah, okay, I don't want to listen to
that kind of music. I want to listen to this.
So anyhow, the sheriffs have been certain sheriffs have been
going out on them and saying some pretty strong stuff
in the press, and most of the sheriffs in the
state very clear, very clear to the public and their people.
(04:56):
But you brought up the point where you know, and
I think what it brings to mind is the sheriff
has to be caught. If you go out and say
if you do this, we're gonna kill you. You got
to be careful how you message your people, because you
don't want to just turn them loose to go out
there and look for people who are doing this, and
that's not how cops think. Jadu and I have spent
(05:17):
a career doing that. I don't care how much leeway
you give us. We're not going out there looking for
the opportunity, but we I think the messaging from the
sheriff says to let the public know it's a matter
of perception.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it said we're not gonna put up with this
illness here. It's kind of and they'll come across, like
you said, they're come across really strong, really really direct,
and really strong, and they putting things. You know, the
ones that i've heard are putting things in very plain
language for everybody to understand without saying. What they're really
thinking is, or what they're translating is, if you present
(05:53):
a deadly forced situation towards our officers, we are going
to respond with deadly force. What he's really saying is
if you do something that is likely to cause death
or great bodily harm, which is by court decisions to
defined as likely to put somebody in the hospital for
an extended period of time or a permanent injury or whatever.
(06:16):
There's there's a lot of ways to define a deadly force,
and it's likely to cause death or great bodily harm.
That is the verbiage and the law. And what he's
saying is, if you do something deadly force that that
elevates to the level of deadly force towards our officers,
we're going to respond in kind, and we're going to
(06:36):
kill you. Dead graveyard, We're going.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
To kill you.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Gre Brell is notified word to come get you right.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
However, however, law enforcement is required. And we all know
this because we're taught it in the academy and annual
retraining and refreshers and updates. You know, we have a
We can escalate and use deadly force as necessary, but
as soon as a subject or suspect in the situation
de escalates, we have to de escalate in kind. So
(07:05):
if we say, somebody throws a brick at me, all right,
now they don't have any more bricks, okay, well, they
use deadly force against me, However, they don't have the
means to do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
If they throw their bick and run, you can't shoot
them in the back while they're running away. You have
to chase them down.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And so we have to make It's like moment by
moment by moment, split seconds make differences. So we have
to make that decision. Just because you did that doesn't
mean that it's justified. And I continued, you said deadly force. No.
And this applies to civilians as well. Now civilians get
a little bit more leeway sometimes in certain cases simply
(07:44):
because they're not as highly trained as law enforcement officers are.
Law enforcement officers are and should be held to a
higher level. A higher standard. Now. But here's the thing is,
we have to continually reevaluate those situations moment by moment. Now,
when we tell somebody go out there and go out
(08:05):
there and keep the peace, that's what we're really trying
to do, is to keep the peace. We're not trying
to hurt anybody. But I need we need our we
need to be able to defend ourselves, and civilians need
to be able to defend themselves. But when you are
out there and you are going to present said violence
towards law enforcement, you need to understand, Uh, you're picking
a fight you don't want. I mean because he's you know,
(08:26):
he's armed. And so I just want people to recognize
that as soon as just because you reach a moment
where deadly force is authorized, be it law enforcement or civilians,
when that moment is over, your moment to use deadly
force in response is over as well. If so, if
(08:46):
I'm out on a call as a deputy sheriff and
I point a gun at somebody and I say stop,
and they point a gun at me and I pull
the trigger, let's say I miss okay, and they throw
their gun down and surrender. I can't keep shooting Now
if I clearly perceive that they put the weapon down.
If I clearly perceive that, now, that's what it comes
down to a lot of times, is the perception. Did
(09:07):
I see it? Did I recognize that moment? What would
a reasonable officer have done under the same circumstances. Now
evidence is here that used not to be here. Body cameras.
You know, then you've got witnesses, and where you run
in a lot of problems is witnesses will say something
and the officer didn't see it. Witness will say something
as a civilian who was responding with deadly force didn't
(09:28):
see it.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Or it didn't happen because they perceived it a different way,
it didn't happen at all. When body camera catches stuff
like that all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, and even the body camera footage can be skewed
because it's only sees what the lens sees, and half
the time it's blocked. It's not like an overhead drone
capturing and everything. And you can't since.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The tendency something happened off a stage right at the time,
So you know, you just don't ever know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
We'll be back in just a minute. Maybe it'll just
cover a little bit more whatever. So when we left,
we were talking a little bit about, uh, the use
of lethal force. I mean we're talking about use of
(10:13):
force across the board, whether it be lethal force or
non lethal force. Lethal force being that which is likely
to cause death or great bodily harm. Non lethal is
a force that you might you wouldn't normally you're not
allowed to touch people unless you're authorized to touch people,
and you've got to justify it and stand your ground.
State say that you can use. You can meet force
(10:34):
with force, but not deadly forced. If someone is unlawfully
using force against you, or you reasonably believe they're about
to with a reasonable you can meet them with equal force.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yea like Governor Sancho Santis said in Florida, if you
surround a car and they feel that they they can
through you.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So where you have to be, where you have to
be careful with that is the public. Here's what they
want to hear. Okay, when I go out and I'm
the governor or the sheriff, and I say, if you
surround people's cars and put them in fear they can
run over you. Okay, Well, the public here is if
you surround people's cars they can run over you. All right,
(11:19):
they're in there and all they remember and we know
this from teaching thousands upon thousands of people over over
a long period of time, that people will take what
they want to hear what, and they'll remember bits and pieces.
Particularly under critical incident stress. Their brains will say, oh,
I need to hit the gas. Well, that's fine, except
that's not really reality. The reality is is if they
(11:41):
surround your car and then attempt to ter said car,
or they are trying to damp break the windows, break
to get right, they're trying. Because Florida's castle doctrine in
most states Alabama, Georgia say that a person is it
has or is it empting to unlawfully enter, forcibly and
(12:03):
unlawfully enter a residence of dwelling or an occupied conveyance,
then you can that there's a presumption of violence on
their part, and you can presume that they have violent intent. Also,
it can be used in the state of Florida particular
to defeat a burglary or a violent not a burglary,
but a burglary of an occupied conveyance, but a or
(12:25):
the burglary of an occupied home, any violent crime, any
violent felon, excuse me, any violent felony, so kidnapping, rape, arson,
you know things like that. There are certain terroristic things
you can you know there. So all that said, what
would what you have to go back to what you
(12:45):
reasonably believe? You can't say the governor the sheriff said,
I could do it in court, because when you go
to court, they're going to go, well, the law says
that you have to be in reasonable fear of death
great boley harm, or they have to have been committing
a violent feloaty now throwing a brick through my windshield
there again, I don't know how many more bricks are.
Now you go to the point where, okay, the guy
doing it is to my left. They're trying to get
(13:05):
in my driver's door. There are people in front of
me all right. Now, the person to the left of me,
I'm justified using deadly force against that person because they
are trying to do something that is a violent felony.
But the people in front of me aren't that person.
So how do we extend my right to drive forward
(13:27):
through that crowd against those people when this person? Now
here's how I connect the dots, and we don't have
our attorney here today. But here's how I connected dots.
They all showed up there together, all right, they showed
up together. This thing is turned violent the ones that
don't leave, who continue to try to hold me there
(13:49):
while I am being assaulted with deadly force, or just
as he'll be. If you and your buddy go to
the bank and he pulls out a gun and starts
to rob the bank and you don't run away, you're
as guilty of robbing the bank as he is, or
don't try to stop him, or whatever, if it is
(14:10):
and you don't stay and report it to law enforcement,
if you go get away with him, or if some
guy runs out of bank with a bunch of money
and a gun and a mask on, he goes, hey, man,
let's go away, and it didn't make you. So the
way I look at it is, if you surround the
car and somebody starts doing that, you best get on
out the way because the minute that happens, and lord
(14:31):
knows the fact, car starts to search for you.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Even if you didn't plan any of that, you better
be moving.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
So I was looking the other day at the definition
of terrorism and the definition of terrorism basically, and I'd
read it, but it's it basically means that anyone who
is using threats or and I'm not reading this anyone
who's using the threat of violence or threats or intimidation
in any way to affect political change or outcome or
(15:01):
force their their beliefs on someone else, that is actually terrorism.
And I could read the actual definitions a little more
concise than that, but it includes what these people are
doing in the streets because they have a political outcome
that they're trying to achieve, and they're using the threat
of violence in a public place and violence and yes,
and and so basically, when they start to use violence
(15:26):
to push their causes, whatever their cause is, left or right,
which whatever you believe, I don't care. If you're pushing
a Christian belief and you're out there and you start
to threaten people with violence, okay, it is in my book,
and by definition, you become a terrorist. And what do
we do with terrorists in this country, Well, apparently we
(15:47):
applaud them on the left, leftist news and we put
them all out there. And do you know, unless if
you agree with your their their opinion, then you you
you you sing their praises. But that's not how it
goes that will get you run the heck over. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, thankfully we didn't have much, if any violence here
and here in our area during the protest last week,
nor did I hear of much of any of it
in Florida anywhere. So you know, I'm once again, I'm
all four people protesting if they you know, if that's
what you want to do, If you want to spend
(16:20):
your Saturday holding a sign up and yelling and screaming,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When you pick up a brick.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But it's a very different. But but protesting and rioting
are two very different things.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Here's the definition of terrorists from the Oxford Languages Dictionary
on whatever, Blah blah blah. Terrorism the unlawful use of
violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of
political aims. What are all the protests are there for? Political?
They have political aims, Okay, immigration, be it, uh, whatever,
(16:55):
and when, But when that turns to intimidation and violence,
it becomes terrorism. And I think if we started to
define that that way, then it would flip a switch
in a lot of people's brains. And I think what's
happened in the state of Florida in particular and across
the South, is that our government leaders and our law
(17:17):
enforcement officials are starting to see, which brings us back
full circle that we can't tolerate that here. You can,
they'll do it in the big cities, but we're not
gonna We're not gonna tolerate that down here. But as
a person, you need to know that you can use
deadly force to defend yourself as a person who has
(17:38):
out there protests, and they need to understand that if
they're there and it turns.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
South, time to go home. Especially best advice we can
give you time to specially.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If that person's driving a big white four wheel drive
pick up truck with a ranch had bumper on the front,
because I will tell you that one's gonna drive through
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, it's well, it just all boils down to if
you know, here's here's the thing palled. If they're surrounding
the vehicle. And what was happening here in a lot
of places I saw is they would wait until the
traffic lights stop traffic. They would take the street, hold
their signs up in front of the cars and all
this stuff, stay in the crosswalk, not committing any not
committing any pedestrian violations walk out in the middle of
the intersection looking for their ten ten minutes or whatever
(18:20):
ten seconds of fame, and when the light would go
to change or the crosswalk could start beeping and say
it's time to get out of the road to lights fixing
a change, and they would walk off to the side
AGAINOD for that, and that's exactly perfectly fine. Thenvenient anyone and.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
They locking traffic, then that changes.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Now, well they're breaking the law at that point, but
it's not a deadly forced situation. That's what we want
people to understand is just because they happen to be
in front of you holding a sign up when the
light turns green, that don't mean you can run them over.
You're going to get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
These people that get it coming go across the interstate
and then hold hands and line across the interstate and
all they do is just stand there. You can't run
those people out there, you can't.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's something that law enforcement needs to be Now. There's
a lot of instance where you got people blocking the
road and then the car keeps trying to move ahead
and they're late for work or whatever. It is they're
being inconvenienced by the people blocking the road, and when
they start moving around, then somebody goes up there and
grabs and puts a hand on the door, or hits
the car with a stick, breaks the glass, or starts
trying to break in. That's once again, that's the situation changing.
(19:25):
You've got a whole different set of parameters.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
At that point, and you and I, if you start
to do that, you go, okay, I'm not sitting here waiting.
I'm used through this crowd a little bit. They're gonna
get out of my way. Technically the minute they're standing there,
all right, they don't. They're not where they lawfully can be.
Now that's the caveat. You know, you go, well, okay,
I'm gonna move if if you are where you lawfully
can be, you can defend yourself as someone uses force
(19:50):
against you. Well, driving that vehicle forward, that could be
aggravated battery, aggravate assault. Because I said deadly weapon. You
go up there and you bump them, you know you've
just unlawfully touched them with got could potentially be a
deadly weapon. So there's an argument for now you are
a fouls because you went up there and bumped them
to them with your car because all they were doing
was standing there. Now they can't defend themselves understand your
(20:11):
ground because they're not where they lawfully can be. You
can't rawfully block traffic, So it gets out of the
whole standard ground castle doctor, and gets out of the
equation for a little bit. You are now risking your
freedom by not just allowing the inconvenience to occur to
It's gonna make you mad, but you got to suck
it up and let law enforcement come deal with it.
Call down one one, tell them what's going on. And
(20:33):
as long as they're just blocking traffic inconveniencing you. I
don't like it. You don't like it, none of us do.
Those are hateful, terrible people for doing that. Just suffice
that we we we believe somebody gone, something's gonna circle
back around and get bite them in the butt one day.
It may not be today, but something happened down the road.
Karma is a thing, you know, Yeah, somebody's somebody's watching over.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's important for everybody to to educate themselves and to
continually educate themselves because laws change, and positions change, and
court decisions. Court decisions can change law, you know they can.
When the court has to interpret the writing and the law,
that can change the outcome of things. And we see this,
We've seen it our whole entire career, where things were
(21:18):
lawful for us to do one week and unlawful for
law enforcement to do the next week. You know, there's
constantly court court cases that can change the parameters, and
it's good to go back and.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Refreshing and a lot of the bulls down to who
you're prosecuting, attorneys are in the area, which law enforcement
offices are in that area, who's you may Just because
you may not get arrested a charge doesn't mean that
it's not illegal. You've got to know where you're at.
You've got to read the room. We'll be back. It
(22:07):
feels like it was a long time.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It was.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
It was just a few seconds for them, but for us,
I think that was an hour.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Got something resolve that.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's paperwork, man. You know, until you run a business,
you just don't know what it takes to run a business.
It's it's especially if you end the gun business, it
gets complicated. But you know a lot of any highly
regulated organization, any highly regulated industry knows exactly what we're
laying down here, so it's it's tough anyhow, well, god
(22:40):
leave my mind went blank. What we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
What we were talking about used force and deadly force
and all that stuff, and I think we kind of covered.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Were talking more about fishing.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's what we talk about because in bottom machines and
amp and lifting batteries actually like that.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
See that interested me, the fishing part. I kind of
zoned out on when you start talking about amp hours
and batteries and trolling motors and how long the battery lasts.
And I'm sitting there going, Okay, well I got a
I need to buy a battery today, and and I
get I get very interested in that stuff. Well, I'll
just build a boat when your entire deck is a
solar panel and then all your batteries are being charged.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You what you would want to do, really is do
the solar panel as a t top so you get
the shade and solar out of it. I'm sure somebody
somebody will. So there's somebody got a solar panel mounting
on the tia top you can get. I can guarantee
you they do, because Uh, yeah, lithium batteries work good
with solar charging. Lead acid not so much.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I like the maintainers that go on by. I mean
I keep all my equipment, uh the bulldozer and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That yeah, with a trick with trickling. But what I'm
saying is that the you know, the solars, you can
get solar panels that'll put out twelve watts, ten ten
or twelve watts, and that's what lithium likes to have.
They like used to have a ten amp or ten yeah,
ten not watch amps, ten amp chargers.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I just I've been slowly converting over to uh the
lithium stuff on my on my boat that I don't
ever get to use because.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You've got great power till it quits done.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's like the same way battery said. I tell you, batteries,
especially like car batteries, vehicle batteries, they just don't weather
well sitting around. I mean yeah, and you and you
buy it, and it'll tell you, oh, this is a
so now that thing ain't lasting until you get two
years out of a car battery.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You're doing good, Yes, I uh almost give a little
plug battery source for my lead acid batteries here in
town I have. I took one back and the guy said,
nine years old. I said, well, I do what you said.
I changed checked my ward every three months nine years,
got nothing out of it.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm ona knock. I'm gonna knock on wood.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Here.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
My my toy, my my play truck is a nine
Ford that was a City of Tallahassee, single cab, short
bed foiled drive Ford truck that I didn't pay a
lot of money for that. I've been slowly fixing up
and all that stuff. And I popped the hood on
it for something the other day to look at something.
I looked at the battery, and it's got a motorcraft forward.
Because when the city utility places or city on county
(25:14):
on whatever vehicles they don't, they don't care how much
spark costs. They just buy Ford parts. They call the
Ford place and say send me a battery. Whereas for
personal stuff, I'm gonna go chop around and see how
much I can get for how much and do that
kind of stuff. They put a motorcraft battery in that thing.
It's ten years old, and it busts that it'll crank
that truck up.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Works just great. I'm like, holy cow, this battery's like
nine or ten year old battery.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Drive it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I drive it a couple of times a week. Like
I had running around to do yesterday, I had to
take my lawn more to get fixed. And some just
just had chores, you know, around the house, chores to
do yesterday, and I busted old pearl off and drove
around town. And you know it, uh, it's.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know why, but I do. I got a
real nice truck, but you know, I'd rather drive.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
The old beat up.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It will beat up forward most of the time.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And I bought a golf cart up in Oath and
at the battery source up there on the south side
of the circle, and I treated real fairly going there.
I went in there with a with a different one
one time. And the reason I did business with them
is I went in there with one that I thought
was needed new batteries. He goes, you need water in
these batteries, and they said, I put water into batteries.
I charged it up for you. Don't worry about it
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and have a great day. And it's still running.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
This time of year.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Me being a dummy, you need to check them. Yeah, yeah,
we are here locally at the shop. We got a
we got a friend around the corner. We just call
and I need some batteries.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Bring me some batteries, and bring some batteries.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And they come and bring them and drop them off
and pick up the other ones. Just so when you
go buy batteries, just planning on dropping off because it's
like ten or twenty dollars per cord. Now they gotta
do something with the lake treat.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We've got to have some source of live in this country.
We don't mind it or smelt it in this country,
and a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I wanted to bring up that, so we talked a
few weeks ago about the House bill with the suppressor
suppressors coming off of no longer going to according to
the House Bill, with taking the tax stamp fee off
of suppressors. Well I was I'm still kind of skeptical
to see how this goes. But GA gun Owners of
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America got somebody to go in there. I think as
a senator from senator representative, as a senator sorry from
I want to say Montana. That included not only suppressors,
but when the Senate went in and amended the bill
that passed the House. They added short barrel rifles and
any other weapon to AOWS, SBRs and AOWS to the
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tax stamp free.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Potential. Yeah down the road. Now, I think in that
version of it, they still require a Knicks check. You're
still gonna can't just go buy it off the street.
You've got to go to a F F L holder
and buy it. I wonder if there'll still be the
A T F Knicks check fingerprints or if it'll just
be a background check at the point.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, so I'm thinking there's no way they can. I
don't think they're going to turn them into just fire arms.
I think what we will see, I really believe what
we will see in the end, in the end product
is still having to submit the fingerprints and the photograph,
do all the.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
A T F uh.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think SBR and loss O T right. I think
we'll still see all that process. There just won't be
a tax associated with it because there's there's three different
tax stamps. There's a well, there's two different there's a
there's a suppressor for a suppressor that's two hundred dollars
tax stamp, and SBR is a two hundred dollars tax stamp.
And then you have what's called an A O W
any other weapon, which is essentially neither a FI foul.
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It's some of the things like the a cane gun,
like a gun that looks like a walking cane, or
the wallet style revolver or not revolver. They made a derringer.
There's a derringer that has a piece of leather around
it that looks like a wallet, so it's it's a gun,
but it doesn't look like a gun. They required it
was a five dollars stamp. The so in the sawed
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off shotgun, pistol grip whatever, those were aow's so that
didn't meet a certain overall length. That was an AOW.
Where you can have a pistol grip shotgun as long
as the barrel's eighteen inches long and overall it's twenty
four inches you can have. That's not an AOW, but
if you make it shorter than that, it's an AOW.
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So that was a five dollars tax stamp. So I
think they're heading the right direction, so you know, maybe
maybe this will go through. It's the best chance we've
ever had in the since you know. The downside to
it is, you know that all can get changed in
in three years again or whatever, you know, change of
the change of the powers that beacon.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
In the mean time, if they did away with the
tax stamp, that's when you go buy everything you can
buy afford to buy and know you're getting two hundred
dollars off all your suppressors, right, and and go on
get them. And if even if you have to have
all the government paper, at least you have to pay
for the tax stamp, right, and they can't go back
and they can they can do whatever they want. They're
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just getting compliance. Yeah they can.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
They can also go back and declare all of those
items that we're talking about to be contraband and outlaw
the possession, the civilian possession of them completely. So there's
the there's the downside on it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
And then you're back to buying fuel filters off Amazon
and putting them on your gun and breaking all sorts
of fuff and going to jail for ten years. Yeah,
so I bet you know. It just depends on what
you're up against it. But if our country comes to
where is that that much anarchy? Nobody's showing up or
messed with you about that, because I keep going back
to go, Well, things get too bad, you know, I'll no,
you won't call anybody, there will be anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well that's kind of like I hear people say, well,
you know, I'm buying some PVC pipe to uh to
bury my guns in the yard. And you know, how
do you how you planning on? How are you gonna
do yours? And I'm like, you know, sir, if I
had an inkling that it was time to bury guns
in the yard, it would be in my mind if
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I had some buried in the yard, it would be
time to start digging up.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, I mean you're burying. You're trying to hide something.
If you get in trouble, you go out and become
a Fela, then they gonna come and look at your
house and try to get your guns. You may be
hiding it from them. But when the world ends, understand this,
when it gets that bad, nobody's coming to your house
to get you to get your stuff, or to or
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to or to help you either. And so the people
coming to your house are the people who don't have
anything who want to come take your stuff, or the
people who have stuff than you have. That can overpower
you and take your stuff. Right, you need to make
sure and make friends with your neighbors. Yeah, move out
in the woods or have a place you can retreat
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to and then be You know.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't love that you necessarily got to move out
in the woods. If you've got a lot of good neighbors.
That sounds like a compound to me.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It is, so you know, you need to start, but
just keep There's never going to be a zombie apocalypse.
But what will happen is the people who do not
have the means to take care of themselves and don't
have the skill set or the knowledge base or the
resources are all going to basically go into the places
where there are resources and there are things, and they're
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going to try to take it from you. So it
won't require headshots. I'm just saying, you know, the zombie movies,
you got to shoot them in the head. In real life,
all you got to do is criple them up enough
to keep them from coming down your.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Drive, or they just shooting the general direction and they
decide that'll go to the.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Next house down the road. It's kind of like having
people go you know, I need a burglar alarm house. Yeah,
you should have a burglar alarm for the house. But
if none of your neighbors have burger alarms, just put
up a sign in your yard and he says, we
got a burglar alarm, and the bad guys nine times
out of ten, they're gonna case the neighborhood. They're gonna
see that you have a burglar alarm, and they're not
gonna hit your house.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
They're gonna look for the houses that have cameras and
burglar alarm signs mounted out there and go, that's probably
not one we want to mess with.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, but if but when the the quasi is zombie,
they're gonna look at that and go, that is a
high value target. We're gonna we're gonna come in tonight
and take everything. And you better, you better have you.
I just you know, there's good people out there that
will suffer if things really go bad. But I set priorities.
You know, in law enforcement, we set priorities where hostages
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victims come first, innocent by bystanders come second. On our
scale of priorities, law enforcement ourselves, first responders come third.
We put ourselves below those people. We risk our lives
to save those people, and below us comes suspects or subjects.
Those are people who have done something wrong or have
a field themselves with people who've done something wrong, and
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they come last. And then property. We care about property
of the least, and so you know, I think in
terms of in the end of the world scenario, the
top of that top of that list is my family. Yeah, okay,
my family and myself. And because I have to be
there to take care of my family, I'm a little
more selfish than this because I need to be there
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for them. So my safety in my family safety comes
first and foremost, and in that involves my closest friends,
and then my extended networks, my neighborhood, the people that
I like and that I accept unto my groups, and
then there's nobody else below that means anything to me.
I feel my heart goes out to them. But if
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there are limited resources, I'm feeding me and mine.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, you've got a situation going on in the little
least right now, where you've got Israel interact palm in
each other and shoot missiles and blah blah blah eventually,
which I don't see that happening. What I see happening,
whether Iran is their government is at the point of
collapse right now. Their leaders are in hiding and all
this other stuff. So you got all these you know,
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die right so that because they're being targeted by the Israeli.
By the Israeli they're shooting missiles at the leaders. Eventually,
you don't necessarily have to conquer the country to get
regime change. You just have to take away enough of
the services that the government provides to where the people
will eventually rise up and say, yeah, we don't we
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can't get anything done. We can't buy food, gas, or
get medical care because of the way our government was
conducting themselves on an international level, and we need to
do something about it.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
How long that takes, I don't know. I think it's
probably different with every country or whatever else. But I
really think that's what you will see there in the
not so distant future, is that they will have They've
already had some quasi uprisings and rebellion over there.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The problem is is, as we see in the Middle East,
any time they're in third world countries or in the
South America and Africa, when when there is an uprising,
the warlords and the gangs and their extremists, they take over,
they take over immediate, and then the good people who
are trying to rise up and start a government for themselves.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And that is because the first thing that all the
dictators that were in control in these places did when
they took power was to take the ability of the
citizens to defend themselves by taking their guns away from them.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And that ain't happen here, right.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So that's that's why gun uh, that's why we are
such big proponents of the Second Amendment, because if you
look back at history and all these dictators, the first
thing that happened when Stalin, when Mao, when all of
these dictators around the country, pol Pot, they go in
there and they immediately take firearms away from the citizens.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
So it's a driving I'm s huglining, show me where
to sign the papers. They're messing around with his computer.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I won't grin any pretty good at it, Charlie.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
No, I just until it locks up. We you know,
we were talking about how long it took to take
one of the breaks earlier. The whole time a little
blue circles going around and around. They didn't come up
with a redneck computer. I could understand.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Hold on a minute.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, they got what what kind of operating system you got?
I got windors Windows. Yeah, that's the redneck version of Windows.
Well you got any antivirus? Yeah? What's it called? Screen winder?
It screens everything. Well you go, well, this's got a
screen door, and so you know that keeps all the
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bugs out. I'm telling you, man, that's like having that
that gum GP at minute, the voice guide that they
got come out with the redneck version. I don't understand
why anybody happen because even all the other people in
the world to buy it just because it's funny.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Take a left like you is headed to Mamos. Take
take a left like you is headed down to Mamo's house.
But before you get there, turn it to red. Turn
it the red barn.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You doesn't miss the road, You've got to go up
here and make it. You turn you know, well, I
love how how when you miss a road on the
following the blue line on the GPS and you miss
a road and it shows you got to, you know,
turn left five miles up the road and make the
block and come back. I'm going there's a turnaround right there,
you know, Just you turn around and it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, let me lock it in. I think I can
get through that. That particular did itch ruight there.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I want you to hate it to get on the
interstate and you're driving along and you know, not paying
much attention, and you pass the exit and then the
traffic backs up and you're looking over to your right,
going there's the exit right there. I think I could
probably hunt.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I think we tried that in the middle of the
night and a rented r V up in the something
where between. That we did in the middle of the night,
somewhere between here and South Dakota. One time missed the
exiting like that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, I remember sitting there and bouncing up, hitting
the head on seiling that r V. Took that r
V back up there the better. I think all those
doors were loose when we picked it up.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
They were they were just about to about to give
up the ghost before.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
We livet water toilet and it made it. It's all say,
what are you doing? Missed the turn, you go down
and all going up there.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
This year we were going, we're going, well we'll go.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
We don't know how we're gonna go, what we're gonna
transfer ourselves in. But we got a van in the
parking lot. We don't do the r V thing anymore
because that is the most so an r V, A
motor home is absolutely I love traveling at them. You know,
go and play it. But you don't put eight guys
in an r V and go a long way because
those like the little.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The little table slash booth slash couch slash fighting.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You shove your kids in there and let them eat
and put and make it into a little short bed,
but you don't want to sit in that thing for twelve, fourteen,
eighteen hours. That thing is not comfortable.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Recliners in the in the van, however.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
They are more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I cracked the van up a couple of days ago
and rode it around the block a few times, went
and drove a little bit everything for it good, so
it's ready to go.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I keep saying I'm gonna start driving home every once
in a while, and then I always have some reason
reason not to. It's just, you know, my car is
too comfortable. In my truck, I'm always pulling something. I'm
pulling the trailer today van. I pull a trailer all
the way to south to coat them back. Yeah. Yeah,
So what's going on with fishing.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'll tell you what. We've man been seeing some mayflies
this week.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'll get out of the.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Brim hitting on them. Grass is still starting to come
back on the flint up there on the lake. On
Lake some of all talk of del Bessie. He fished yesterday?
What ha been Thursday out of Like chalcol was catching
some ice blue gill fishing the shady banks.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, you get those mayflies hatching on and get on
a shady bank and fly fish or throw beetlespins. Man,
I have fun with the ultra light. I was, uh,
I was eyeballing my ultra lights in the garage yesterday
and I was like, yeah, I need to I think
I need to go throw one of them. It's uh,
it's that time of year.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I used to love summertime on Lake Talk and my
uncle had a lake house down there, and we'd go
stay at the lake house sometime on the weekends and
I'd take the boat across from his place and go
find those those banks over there with those old man
catch some old, big old blue gills. As that's nothing
wrong with that right there. You all been catching any bass?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, the bass we've had, I've been on the water
every day this week, and man, I tell you what,
the bike's been better. It seems like it in the
evening the versus in the morning. For the bass been
catching on frogs or hitting frogs again. And uh, man,
I tell you what. We've had several fish over seven
pounds this week, but just when they hit it just
blowing up all that it has.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Madden dadd would say it like you dropped the kids
nails in the water.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
I tell you what, it's it's been fun and that
that's this time. That's going to last another couple of months,
you know, especially mornings and evenings. But so far it
seems like the bike get more bites. And even though last.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Night, after these little afternoon thunderstorms get them out of
the way.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Things down a little bit and they start to buy.
That's why I've been doing my trips, you know, having
the place up there, I go, people come and stay
with fish the evening and fish the next morning. It's
been working really good.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
But the what are they biting? What are you catching them.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
On on a top water frag frog when you're supposed
to bring us, Yeah, I forgot to bring I'll bring
you next week. Fred wasn't here, so he'll I'll bring
next week. But I've added some feet to it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And man, little paddles there, and it's that thing.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
You can throw it up in the thickest cover, reel
it back through that it does will not hang up,
and then big basket. They'll get up under them thickly
as you've seen it. And that's that's what they're doing
right now. They're getting out of there, getting for shape.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Customer come in. He wants to go fishing with you
and learn about I just hasn't lived here that long,
but he's asking about Lake Talquin and Lake Seminole, and
I know you you're primary to Lake Seminole, but you
have fish. He was asking, Yes, he was asking about
color of plastic baits to fish with and Lake Talquin,
and I was like, man, that's just one of those
you know, they're they're the purples and blacks and blues
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have always been good on Talaquin better somewhere. Seminole has
always been a green or tan or every pumpkin seed
or watermelon seed.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Or something ye watermelon, especially in the creek watermelon red
that works really good up there.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
But in Taquin is to me has always been darker
color the black. You know, there's this time of year
on talaquhen you can go around the docks and stuff
and take a big like a ten inch black man's
jelly worm or something and flip up under the docks
and you just liable to catch them.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
All right, So why do you think that is the color?
Water color water clarity?
Speaker 3 (43:55):
That was guy with tea color to it.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Talaquin has a lot of tannic, Yeah, tea color, tannic
stain brown. It's the brown brown color water and now
always just about always on Lake Talquin fishing in deeper
water than you are on a trail. Taquin is a
very unique, very unique lake for Florida.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
It's no lake like Lake Talquin in Florida. All all
your Florida lakes are god made lakes. That's a man
made lakes, got rivers, creek channels, river channel running through
nothing else like it.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
All the other lakes around here essentially big sand hill
ponds or sink coal fed or whatever.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Ammonia is the same way sin Cole sink Cole natural
lakes been here forever. Talquin was uh basically little river
and o'klackney river confluence and that they dammed it up,
made this really deep reservoir.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Like you see, what's what's your fall The followed.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
As a reservoir. It is a man made made.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Reservoir that actually big.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Oh yes, like it's twice the size. It's like sixty
seven thousand acres, might even be bigger than that. But
it runs kind of north and south, and buddy, when
that wind gets blown from the north from the south,
they can get ruffle on in that pond. But that
is a great fishery up there.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's it is more similar, so you falla similar to Taqon. Yes,
it is more like Talcuin where you've got you've got
river channels running through the lake seminoles. Very Seminole is
like Talquin in that it is a reservoir. It's a
man made reservoir. Where they dammed up the Chattoochi in
the Flint. But because you have to think, because on
Seminole you had so many other small tributaries coming in there,
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you still ended up with a lot of shallow water
and a little bit of deep water because they literally
dammed it up at the confluence of the Chattahoochie in.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
The Flint on seminoles made up of three parts. You
have the Chattucci River which comes from Efaula, then you
have Spring Creek, then you have the Flint River, and
right below it is the right below the dam is
the Afflachicola which goes to col Bay. And it's actually
the type it's called as a lowland two where you
have a river channel and then from the river channel
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to the bank, they'll have these large flats and they'll.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Be just gradual, gradual bottom terrain and it's not a
lot of deep drop off stuff. Talquin is full of
creek channels because you've got the Oak Laught, and you've
got the little River, You've got the Oklahoha, You've got
the creek. Yeah, all of these other creeks that all
just kind of were all coming into the Oaklock in
the river at the same place. So you end up
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with a whole bunch of deep water.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Pretty much. Every if you drive any of the roads
that border Talquin, you're going over a bridge and other
bridge and this creek that creeked and Harvey Creek just
that and every one of them goes into.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
The right and the terrain is so much different off
of the Talquin. You've got a lot of high ground,
You've got a lot of steep banks and stuff like
that that you don't have over on Seminole. You know
that some of the I would say the vast majority
of the best fishing lakes in the country are are reservoirs.
I don't I mean there's the natural about the biggest
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natural lake that's the best fishing is.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
With be Okachobe.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, and I've heard them.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, Okachobe has been messed up. It's they're they're starting
to really do a lot of reclamation of the natural
flow of things. But Lake Okachobe is essentially the headwaters
of the Ever Delivers. Yeah, and you've had the sugar
cane farmers and stuff over the years, and the you know,
there's so much nutrient going into the water that you
had an overgrowth of vegetation. And but they're starting to
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reclaim a lot of that and correct a lot of
those things that man did to that. But I still
say Okachobe as far as big fish and just amazing fishing, Okachobe's.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Grown up there. Yeah, sure it is. It is for sure,
I think says eight six. I reckonless. See y'all next
time
Hey, how are you all? Hey? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Mama's work.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So before the show, we were talking a lot about
deadly force encounters and use of force and what's reasonable
and all that, and being that I'm here, JD, you're here,
Captain Paul, you're here, and our attorney is not here,
let's talk about the law.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, absolutely not being here talking about the law. You know,
we may get something accomplished.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We got a so fred I apologies. Fred was available yesterday,
not today. We were available today. And uh so it
was uh you had you had well, you were doing
some anniversary.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, well Wednesday this past week was Annie and I
was twentieth anniversary twenty years so and anyway, we had
intended to she was gonna take off from work and
we was going to go fishing on Thursday. So I
had planned all that, and then she had to go
to work.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So such as the life of someone in her career path.
My wife also works for a similar type of organization, and.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, you know, at this point in time and
between the two of us, and you know, it's just okay,
it's just is what it is. We'll we'll make up
for at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I did get word today. We weren't going to talk
about it on the air, but there's a particular silencer
company that has our stuff in production. We'll be here
in a few weeks nice, not a few months like
is normal. We've got so cool so I'm looking forward
to that getting some stuff in. So we were talking
about deadly force encounters and Paul, you asked a question
before the show about and we have talked about this
(01:52):
in the last show, and some of the stuff that
went out on TikTok and a little slice stuff makes
it sound like I was advocating running people over and
I am under the right circumstances, but it has to
be under right circumstances if someone puts you in a
situation where you don't have any other choice and you
have to do it. I was kind of poking at
the possibilities in the ways that might occur. And you know,
I think a little follow up might be good because
(02:13):
and you brought it up. There are sheriffs, and there
are it's in Florida constitutional officers who are the primary
constitutional officer in a county, in the sixty seven counties,
and in Alabama and Georgia. I mean sheriffs do everything.
Some states in the nation, they are very limited in
their authority. They do civil process and the courts and
the and the jail. That ain't the way it is
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in the South. In the South, the sheriff is demand.
You've got police chiefs who are almost always appointed. There
are like two in the state of Florida. When it
happens to be in Marianna, that's elected by the charter
of the city or whatever. But most of them are
appointed by a mayor or a city council or whatever.
(02:55):
Sheriffs are elected. I think there was there were some
in Florida until a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
There were two Metro Dad and Miami. Jacksonville and Jacksonville
were the two.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I think both of them now may be elected. I'm
not positive. I know one of them, but I can't
remember which.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
One I think. I think the SAANT is pushed and
the legislature pushed for constitutionally elected sheriffs across the state,
and I think that's the way it is now. I
think I think so too, But anyway, yeah, I feel
fairly certain. But Metro Dad and Jacksonville do vall because
they were essentially consolidated between a bunch of the city,
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the city and county were consolidated law enforcement agencies. They
were appointed, and but I think that's changed. I don't
keep up with it because it ain't my county. I
don't I agree. I'm fairly certain that it has. The
Santus has done a lot of things to bring things
to be more uniform across the state, which is good
because we should have. I honestly believe we need to.
(03:56):
We need a choice. I'm not going to say that
electing the sheriffs all ways the way you get the
best person for the job. You get the most popular
person for the job. It's not necessarily always the best
person for the job. However, that's how we choose. I
don't know that the people sitting in the in Washington
are the best people for the job, but they are
the people that got chosen. And that's how representative democracy works,
(04:19):
you know, republic, That's how that's how we do things.
So Gus, we're not really a democracy per se, thank
God or else. You know, who.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Screams the loudest would the most us with the loudest
would would be controlling.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Your whole, your world controlled by populist like the voice
or America's got talent or something they got voted in,
so they're yeah, okay, I don't want to listen to
that kind of music. I want to listen to this.
So anyhow, the sheriffs have been certain sheriffs have been
going out on them and saying some pretty strong stuff
in the press, and most of the sheriffs in the
state very clear, very clear to the public and their people.
(04:56):
But you brought up the point where you know, and
I think what it brings to mind is the sheriff
has to be caught. If you go out and say
if you do this, we're gonna kill you. You got
to be careful how you message your people, because you
don't want to just turn them loose to go out
there and look for people who are doing this, and
that's not how cops think. Jadu and I have spent
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a career doing that. I don't care how much leeway
you give us. We're not going out there looking for
the opportunity, but we I think the messaging from the
sheriff says to let the public know it's a matter
of perception.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, it said we're not gonna put up with this
illness here. It's kind of and they'll come across, like
you said, they're come across really strong, really really direct,
and really strong, and they putting things. You know, the
ones that i've heard are putting things in very plain
language for everybody to understand without saying. What they're really
thinking is, or what they're translating is, if you present
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a deadly forced situation towards our officers, we are going
to respond with deadly force. What he's really saying is
if you do something that is likely to cause death
or great bodily harm, which is by court decisions to
defined as likely to put somebody in the hospital for
an extended period of time or a permanent injury or whatever.
(06:16):
There's there's a lot of ways to define a deadly force,
and it's likely to cause death or great bodily harm.
That is the verbiage and the law. And what he's
saying is, if you do something deadly force that that
elevates to the level of deadly force towards our officers,
we're going to respond in kind, and we're going to
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kill you. Dead graveyard, We're going.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
To kill you.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Gre Brell is notified word to come get you right.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
However, however, law enforcement is required. And we all know
this because we're taught it in the academy and annual
retraining and refreshers and updates. You know, we have a
We can escalate and use deadly force as necessary, but
as soon as a subject or suspect in the situation
de escalates, we have to de escalate in kind. So
(07:05):
if we say, somebody throws a brick at me, all right,
now they don't have any more bricks, okay, well, they
use deadly force against me, However, they don't have the
means to do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
If they throw their bick and run, you can't shoot
them in the back while they're running away. You have
to chase them down.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And so we have to make It's like moment by
moment by moment, split seconds make differences. So we have
to make that decision. Just because you did that doesn't
mean that it's justified. And I continued, you said deadly force. No.
And this applies to civilians as well. Now civilians get
a little bit more leeway sometimes in certain cases simply
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because they're not as highly trained as law enforcement officers are.
Law enforcement officers are and should be held to a
higher level. A higher standard. Now. But here's the thing is,
we have to continually reevaluate those situations moment by moment. Now,
when we tell somebody go out there and go out
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there and keep the peace, that's what we're really trying
to do, is to keep the peace. We're not trying
to hurt anybody. But I need we need our we
need to be able to defend ourselves, and civilians need
to be able to defend themselves. But when you are
out there and you are going to present said violence
towards law enforcement, you need to understand, Uh, you're picking
a fight you don't want. I mean because he's you know,
(08:26):
he's armed. And so I just want people to recognize
that as soon as just because you reach a moment
where deadly force is authorized, be it law enforcement or civilians,
when that moment is over, your moment to use deadly
force in response is over as well. If so, if
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I'm out on a call as a deputy sheriff and
I point a gun at somebody and I say stop,
and they point a gun at me and I pull
the trigger, let's say I miss okay, and they throw
their gun down and surrender. I can't keep shooting Now
if I clearly perceive that they put the weapon down.
If I clearly perceive that, now, that's what it comes
down to a lot of times, is the perception. Did
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I see it? Did I recognize that moment? What would
a reasonable officer have done under the same circumstances. Now
evidence is here that used not to be here. Body cameras.
You know, then you've got witnesses, and where you run
in a lot of problems is witnesses will say something
and the officer didn't see it. Witness will say something
as a civilian who was responding with deadly force didn't
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see it.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Or it didn't happen because they perceived it a different way,
it didn't happen at all. When body camera catches stuff
like that all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, and even the body camera footage can be skewed
because it's only sees what the lens sees, and half
the time it's blocked. It's not like an overhead drone
capturing and everything. And you can't since.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The tendency something happened off a stage right at the time,
So you know, you just don't ever know.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
We'll be back in just a minute. Maybe it'll just
cover a little bit more whatever. So when we left,
we were talking a little bit about, uh, the use
of lethal force. I mean we're talking about use of
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force across the board, whether it be lethal force or
non lethal force. Lethal force being that which is likely
to cause death or great bodily harm. Non lethal is
a force that you might you wouldn't normally you're not
allowed to touch people unless you're authorized to touch people,
and you've got to justify it and stand your ground.
State say that you can use. You can meet force
(10:34):
with force, but not deadly forced. If someone is unlawfully
using force against you, or you reasonably believe they're about
to with a reasonable you can meet them with equal force.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yea like Governor Sancho Santis said in Florida, if you
surround a car and they feel that they they can
through you.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
So where you have to be, where you have to
be careful with that is the public. Here's what they
want to hear. Okay, when I go out and I'm
the governor or the sheriff, and I say, if you
surround people's cars and put them in fear they can
run over you. Okay, Well, the public here is if
you surround people's cars they can run over you. All right,
(11:19):
they're in there and all they remember and we know
this from teaching thousands upon thousands of people over over
a long period of time, that people will take what
they want to hear what, and they'll remember bits and pieces.
Particularly under critical incident stress. Their brains will say, oh,
I need to hit the gas. Well, that's fine, except
that's not really reality. The reality is is if they
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surround your car and then attempt to ter said car,
or they are trying to damp break the windows, break
to get right, they're trying. Because Florida's castle doctrine in
most states Alabama, Georgia say that a person is it
has or is it empting to unlawfully enter, forcibly and
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unlawfully enter a residence of dwelling or an occupied conveyance,
then you can that there's a presumption of violence on
their part, and you can presume that they have violent intent. Also,
it can be used in the state of Florida particular
to defeat a burglary or a violent not a burglary,
but a burglary of an occupied conveyance, but a or
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the burglary of an occupied home, any violent crime, any
violent felon, excuse me, any violent felony, so kidnapping, rape, arson,
you know things like that. There are certain terroristic things
you can you know there. So all that said, what
would what you have to go back to what you
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reasonably believe? You can't say the governor the sheriff said,
I could do it in court, because when you go
to court, they're going to go, well, the law says
that you have to be in reasonable fear of death
great boley harm, or they have to have been committing
a violent feloaty now throwing a brick through my windshield
there again, I don't know how many more bricks are.
Now you go to the point where, okay, the guy
doing it is to my left. They're trying to get
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in my driver's door. There are people in front of
me all right. Now, the person to the left of me,
I'm justified using deadly force against that person because they
are trying to do something that is a violent felony.
But the people in front of me aren't that person.
So how do we extend my right to drive forward
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through that crowd against those people when this person? Now
here's how I connect the dots, and we don't have
our attorney here today. But here's how I connected dots.
They all showed up there together, all right, they showed
up together. This thing is turned violent the ones that
don't leave, who continue to try to hold me there
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while I am being assaulted with deadly force, or just
as he'll be. If you and your buddy go to
the bank and he pulls out a gun and starts
to rob the bank and you don't run away, you're
as guilty of robbing the bank as he is, or
don't try to stop him, or whatever, if it is
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and you don't stay and report it to law enforcement,
if you go get away with him, or if some
guy runs out of bank with a bunch of money
and a gun and a mask on, he goes, hey, man,
let's go away, and it didn't make you. So the
way I look at it is, if you surround the
car and somebody starts doing that, you best get on
out the way because the minute that happens, and lord
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knows the fact, car starts to search for you.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Even if you didn't plan any of that, you better
be moving.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
So I was looking the other day at the definition
of terrorism and the definition of terrorism basically, and I'd
read it, but it's it basically means that anyone who
is using threats or and I'm not reading this anyone
who's using the threat of violence or threats or intimidation
in any way to affect political change or outcome or
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force their their beliefs on someone else, that is actually terrorism.
And I could read the actual definitions a little more
concise than that, but it includes what these people are
doing in the streets because they have a political outcome
that they're trying to achieve, and they're using the threat
of violence in a public place and violence and yes,
and and so basically, when they start to use violence
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to push their causes, whatever their cause is, left or right,
which whatever you believe, I don't care. If you're pushing
a Christian belief and you're out there and you start
to threaten people with violence, okay, it is in my book,
and by definition, you become a terrorist. And what do
we do with terrorists in this country, Well, apparently we
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applaud them on the left, leftist news and we put
them all out there. And do you know, unless if
you agree with your their their opinion, then you you
you you sing their praises. But that's not how it
goes that will get you run the heck over. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, thankfully we didn't have much, if any violence here
and here in our area during the protest last week,
nor did I hear of much of any of it
in Florida anywhere. So you know, I'm once again, I'm
all four people protesting if they you know, if that's
what you want to do, If you want to spend
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your Saturday holding a sign up and yelling and screaming,
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When you pick up a brick.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But it's a very different. But but protesting and rioting
are two very different things.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Here's the definition of terrorists from the Oxford Languages Dictionary
on whatever, Blah blah blah. Terrorism the unlawful use of
violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of
political aims. What are all the protests are there for? Political?
They have political aims, Okay, immigration, be it, uh, whatever,
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and when, But when that turns to intimidation and violence,
it becomes terrorism. And I think if we started to
define that that way, then it would flip a switch
in a lot of people's brains. And I think what's
happened in the state of Florida in particular and across
the South, is that our government leaders and our law
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enforcement officials are starting to see, which brings us back
full circle that we can't tolerate that here. You can,
they'll do it in the big cities, but we're not
gonna We're not gonna tolerate that down here. But as
a person, you need to know that you can use
deadly force to defend yourself as a person who has
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out there protests, and they need to understand that if
they're there and it turns.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
South, time to go home. Especially best advice we can
give you time to specially.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If that person's driving a big white four wheel drive
pick up truck with a ranch had bumper on the front,
because I will tell you that one's gonna drive through
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, it's well, it just all boils down to if
you know, here's here's the thing palled. If they're surrounding
the vehicle. And what was happening here in a lot
of places I saw is they would wait until the
traffic lights stop traffic. They would take the street, hold
their signs up in front of the cars and all
this stuff, stay in the crosswalk, not committing any not
committing any pedestrian violations walk out in the middle of
the intersection looking for their ten ten minutes or whatever
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ten seconds of fame, and when the light would go
to change or the crosswalk could start beeping and say
it's time to get out of the road to lights fixing
a change, and they would walk off to the side
AGAINOD for that, and that's exactly perfectly fine. Thenvenient anyone and.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
They locking traffic, then that changes.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Now, well they're breaking the law at that point, but
it's not a deadly forced situation. That's what we want
people to understand is just because they happen to be
in front of you holding a sign up when the
light turns green, that don't mean you can run them over.
You're going to get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
These people that get it coming go across the interstate
and then hold hands and line across the interstate and
all they do is just stand there. You can't run
those people out there, you can't.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's something that law enforcement needs to be Now. There's
a lot of instance where you got people blocking the
road and then the car keeps trying to move ahead
and they're late for work or whatever. It is they're
being inconvenienced by the people blocking the road, and when
they start moving around, then somebody goes up there and
grabs and puts a hand on the door, or hits
the car with a stick, breaks the glass, or starts
trying to break in. That's once again, that's the situation changing.
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You've got a whole different set of parameters.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
At that point, and you and I, if you start
to do that, you go, okay, I'm not sitting here waiting.
I'm used through this crowd a little bit. They're gonna
get out of my way. Technically the minute they're standing there,
all right, they don't. They're not where they lawfully can be.
Now that's the caveat. You know, you go, well, okay,
I'm gonna move if if you are where you lawfully
can be, you can defend yourself as someone uses force
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against you. Well, driving that vehicle forward, that could be
aggravated battery, aggravate assault. Because I said deadly weapon. You
go up there and you bump them, you know you've
just unlawfully touched them with got could potentially be a
deadly weapon. So there's an argument for now you are
a fouls because you went up there and bumped them
to them with your car because all they were doing
was standing there. Now they can't defend themselves understand your
(20:11):
ground because they're not where they lawfully can be. You
can't rawfully block traffic, So it gets out of the
whole standard ground castle doctor, and gets out of the
equation for a little bit. You are now risking your
freedom by not just allowing the inconvenience to occur to
It's gonna make you mad, but you got to suck
it up and let law enforcement come deal with it.
Call down one one, tell them what's going on. And
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as long as they're just blocking traffic inconveniencing you. I
don't like it. You don't like it, none of us do.
Those are hateful, terrible people for doing that. Just suffice
that we we we believe somebody gone, something's gonna circle
back around and get bite them in the butt one day.
It may not be today, but something happened down the road.
Karma is a thing, you know, Yeah, somebody's somebody's watching over.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's important for everybody to to educate themselves and to
continually educate themselves because laws change, and positions change, and
court decisions. Court decisions can change law, you know they can.
When the court has to interpret the writing and the law,
that can change the outcome of things. And we see this,
We've seen it our whole entire career, where things were
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lawful for us to do one week and unlawful for
law enforcement to do the next week. You know, there's
constantly court court cases that can change the parameters, and
it's good to go back and.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Refreshing and a lot of the bulls down to who
you're prosecuting, attorneys are in the area, which law enforcement
offices are in that area, who's you may Just because
you may not get arrested a charge doesn't mean that
it's not illegal. You've got to know where you're at.
You've got to read the room. We'll be back. It
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feels like it was a long time.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It was.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
It was just a few seconds for them, but for us,
I think that was an hour.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Got something resolve that.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's paperwork, man. You know, until you run a business,
you just don't know what it takes to run a business.
It's it's especially if you end the gun business, it
gets complicated. But you know a lot of any highly
regulated organization, any highly regulated industry knows exactly what we're
laying down here, so it's it's tough anyhow, well, god
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leave my mind went blank. What we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
What we were talking about used force and deadly force
and all that stuff, and I think we kind of covered.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Were talking more about fishing.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's what we talk about because in bottom machines and
amp and lifting batteries actually like that.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
See that interested me, the fishing part. I kind of
zoned out on when you start talking about amp hours
and batteries and trolling motors and how long the battery lasts.
And I'm sitting there going, Okay, well I got a
I need to buy a battery today, and and I
get I get very interested in that stuff. Well, I'll
just build a boat when your entire deck is a
solar panel and then all your batteries are being charged.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You what you would want to do, really is do
the solar panel as a t top so you get
the shade and solar out of it. I'm sure somebody
somebody will. So there's somebody got a solar panel mounting
on the tia top you can get. I can guarantee
you they do, because Uh, yeah, lithium batteries work good
with solar charging. Lead acid not so much.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I like the maintainers that go on by. I mean
I keep all my equipment, uh the bulldozer and things
like that.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That yeah, with a trick with trickling. But what I'm
saying is that the you know, the solars, you can
get solar panels that'll put out twelve watts, ten ten
or twelve watts, and that's what lithium likes to have.
They like used to have a ten amp or ten yeah,
ten not watch amps, ten amp chargers.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I just I've been slowly converting over to uh the
lithium stuff on my on my boat that I don't
ever get to use because.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You've got great power till it quits done.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's like the same way battery said. I tell you, batteries,
especially like car batteries, vehicle batteries, they just don't weather
well sitting around. I mean yeah, and you and you
buy it, and it'll tell you, oh, this is a
so now that thing ain't lasting until you get two
years out of a car battery.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You're doing good, Yes, I uh almost give a little
plug battery source for my lead acid batteries here in
town I have. I took one back and the guy said,
nine years old. I said, well, I do what you said.
I changed checked my ward every three months nine years,
got nothing out of it.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm ona knock. I'm gonna knock on wood.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Here.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
My my toy, my my play truck is a nine
Ford that was a City of Tallahassee, single cab, short
bed foiled drive Ford truck that I didn't pay a
lot of money for that. I've been slowly fixing up
and all that stuff. And I popped the hood on
it for something the other day to look at something.
I looked at the battery, and it's got a motorcraft forward.
Because when the city utility places or city on county
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on whatever vehicles they don't, they don't care how much
spark costs. They just buy Ford parts. They call the
Ford place and say send me a battery. Whereas for
personal stuff, I'm gonna go chop around and see how
much I can get for how much and do that
kind of stuff. They put a motorcraft battery in that thing.
It's ten years old, and it busts that it'll crank
that truck up.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Works just great. I'm like, holy cow, this battery's like
nine or ten year old battery.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Drive it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I drive it a couple of times a week. Like
I had running around to do yesterday, I had to
take my lawn more to get fixed. And some just
just had chores, you know, around the house, chores to
do yesterday, and I busted old pearl off and drove
around town. And you know it, uh, it's.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know why, but I do. I got a
real nice truck, but you know, I'd rather drive.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
The old beat up.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It will beat up forward most of the time.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And I bought a golf cart up in Oath and
at the battery source up there on the south side
of the circle, and I treated real fairly going there.
I went in there with a with a different one
one time. And the reason I did business with them
is I went in there with one that I thought
was needed new batteries. He goes, you need water in
these batteries, and they said, I put water into batteries.
I charged it up for you. Don't worry about it
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and have a great day. And it's still running.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
This time of year.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Me being a dummy, you need to check them. Yeah, yeah,
we are here locally at the shop. We got a
we got a friend around the corner. We just call
and I need some batteries.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Bring me some batteries, and bring some batteries.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
And they come and bring them and drop them off
and pick up the other ones. Just so when you
go buy batteries, just planning on dropping off because it's
like ten or twenty dollars per cord. Now they gotta
do something with the lake treat.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
We've got to have some source of live in this country.
We don't mind it or smelt it in this country,
and a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I wanted to bring up that, so we talked a
few weeks ago about the House bill with the suppressor
suppressors coming off of no longer going to according to
the House Bill, with taking the tax stamp fee off
of suppressors. Well I was I'm still kind of skeptical
to see how this goes. But GA gun Owners of
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America got somebody to go in there. I think as
a senator from senator representative, as a senator sorry from
I want to say Montana. That included not only suppressors,
but when the Senate went in and amended the bill
that passed the House. They added short barrel rifles and
any other weapon to AOWS, SBRs and AOWS to the
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tax stamp free.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Potential. Yeah down the road. Now, I think in that
version of it, they still require a Knicks check. You're
still gonna can't just go buy it off the street.
You've got to go to a F F L holder
and buy it. I wonder if there'll still be the
A T F Knicks check fingerprints or if it'll just
be a background check at the point.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, so I'm thinking there's no way they can. I
don't think they're going to turn them into just fire arms.
I think what we will see, I really believe what
we will see in the end, in the end product
is still having to submit the fingerprints and the photograph,
do all the.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
A T F uh.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think SBR and loss O T right. I think
we'll still see all that process. There just won't be
a tax associated with it because there's there's three different
tax stamps. There's a well, there's two different there's a
there's a suppressor for a suppressor that's two hundred dollars
tax stamp, and SBR is a two hundred dollars tax stamp.
And then you have what's called an A O W
any other weapon, which is essentially neither a FI foul.
(29:00):
It's some of the things like the a cane gun,
like a gun that looks like a walking cane, or
the wallet style revolver or not revolver. They made a derringer.
There's a derringer that has a piece of leather around
it that looks like a wallet, so it's it's a gun,
but it doesn't look like a gun. They required it
was a five dollars stamp. The so in the sawed
(29:22):
off shotgun, pistol grip whatever, those were aow's so that
didn't meet a certain overall length. That was an AOW.
Where you can have a pistol grip shotgun as long
as the barrel's eighteen inches long and overall it's twenty
four inches you can have. That's not an AOW, but
if you make it shorter than that, it's an AOW.
(29:44):
So that was a five dollars tax stamp. So I
think they're heading the right direction, so you know, maybe
maybe this will go through. It's the best chance we've
ever had in the since you know. The downside to
it is, you know that all can get changed in
in three years again or whatever, you know, change of
the change of the powers that beacon.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
In the mean time, if they did away with the
tax stamp, that's when you go buy everything you can
buy afford to buy and know you're getting two hundred
dollars off all your suppressors, right, and and go on
get them. And if even if you have to have
all the government paper, at least you have to pay
for the tax stamp, right, and they can't go back
and they can they can do whatever they want. They're
(30:27):
just getting compliance. Yeah they can.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
They can also go back and declare all of those
items that we're talking about to be contraband and outlaw
the possession, the civilian possession of them completely. So there's
the there's the downside on it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
And then you're back to buying fuel filters off Amazon
and putting them on your gun and breaking all sorts
of fuff and going to jail for ten years. Yeah,
so I bet you know. It just depends on what
you're up against it. But if our country comes to
where is that that much anarchy? Nobody's showing up or
messed with you about that, because I keep going back
to go, Well, things get too bad, you know, I'll no,
you won't call anybody, there will be anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well that's kind of like I hear people say, well,
you know, I'm buying some PVC pipe to uh to
bury my guns in the yard. And you know, how
do you how you planning on? How are you gonna
do yours? And I'm like, you know, sir, if I
had an inkling that it was time to bury guns
in the yard, it would be in my mind if
(31:25):
I had some buried in the yard, it would be
time to start digging up.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, I mean you're burying. You're trying to hide something.
If you get in trouble, you go out and become
a Fela, then they gonna come and look at your
house and try to get your guns. You may be
hiding it from them. But when the world ends, understand this,
when it gets that bad, nobody's coming to your house
to get you to get your stuff, or to or
(31:49):
to or to help you either. And so the people
coming to your house are the people who don't have
anything who want to come take your stuff, or the
people who have stuff than you have. That can overpower
you and take your stuff. Right, you need to make
sure and make friends with your neighbors. Yeah, move out
in the woods or have a place you can retreat
(32:10):
to and then be You know.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't love that you necessarily got to move out
in the woods. If you've got a lot of good neighbors.
That sounds like a compound to me.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It is, so you know, you need to start, but
just keep There's never going to be a zombie apocalypse.
But what will happen is the people who do not
have the means to take care of themselves and don't
have the skill set or the knowledge base or the
resources are all going to basically go into the places
where there are resources and there are things, and they're
(32:37):
going to try to take it from you. So it
won't require headshots. I'm just saying, you know, the zombie movies,
you got to shoot them in the head. In real life,
all you got to do is criple them up enough
to keep them from coming down your.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Drive, or they just shooting the general direction and they
decide that'll go to the.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Next house down the road. It's kind of like having
people go you know, I need a burglar alarm house. Yeah,
you should have a burglar alarm for the house. But
if none of your neighbors have burger alarms, just put
up a sign in your yard and he says, we
got a burglar alarm, and the bad guys nine times
out of ten, they're gonna case the neighborhood. They're gonna
see that you have a burglar alarm, and they're not
gonna hit your house.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
They're gonna look for the houses that have cameras and
burglar alarm signs mounted out there and go, that's probably
not one we want to mess with.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, but if but when the the quasi is zombie,
they're gonna look at that and go, that is a
high value target. We're gonna we're gonna come in tonight
and take everything. And you better, you better have you.
I just you know, there's good people out there that
will suffer if things really go bad. But I set priorities.
You know, in law enforcement, we set priorities where hostages
(33:41):
victims come first, innocent by bystanders come second. On our
scale of priorities, law enforcement ourselves, first responders come third.
We put ourselves below those people. We risk our lives
to save those people, and below us comes suspects or subjects.
Those are people who have done something wrong or have
a field themselves with people who've done something wrong, and
(34:02):
they come last. And then property. We care about property
of the least, and so you know, I think in
terms of in the end of the world scenario, the
top of that top of that list is my family. Yeah, okay,
my family and myself. And because I have to be
there to take care of my family, I'm a little
more selfish than this because I need to be there
(34:23):
for them. So my safety in my family safety comes
first and foremost, and in that involves my closest friends,
and then my extended networks, my neighborhood, the people that
I like and that I accept unto my groups, and
then there's nobody else below that means anything to me.
I feel my heart goes out to them. But if
(34:45):
there are limited resources, I'm feeding me and mine.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, you've got a situation going on in the little
least right now, where you've got Israel interact palm in
each other and shoot missiles and blah blah blah eventually,
which I don't see that happening. What I see happening,
whether Iran is their government is at the point of
collapse right now. Their leaders are in hiding and all
this other stuff. So you got all these you know,
(35:12):
die right so that because they're being targeted by the Israeli.
By the Israeli they're shooting missiles at the leaders. Eventually,
you don't necessarily have to conquer the country to get
regime change. You just have to take away enough of
the services that the government provides to where the people
will eventually rise up and say, yeah, we don't we
(35:35):
can't get anything done. We can't buy food, gas, or
get medical care because of the way our government was
conducting themselves on an international level, and we need to
do something about it.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
How long that takes, I don't know. I think it's
probably different with every country or whatever else. But I
really think that's what you will see there in the
not so distant future, is that they will have They've
already had some quasi uprisings and rebellion over there.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The problem is is, as we see in the Middle East,
any time they're in third world countries or in the
South America and Africa, when when there is an uprising,
the warlords and the gangs and their extremists, they take over,
they take over immediate, and then the good people who
are trying to rise up and start a government for themselves.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
And that is because the first thing that all the
dictators that were in control in these places did when
they took power was to take the ability of the
citizens to defend themselves by taking their guns away from them.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And that ain't happen here, right.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
So that's that's why gun uh, that's why we are
such big proponents of the Second Amendment, because if you
look back at history and all these dictators, the first
thing that happened when Stalin, when Mao, when all of
these dictators around the country, pol Pot, they go in
there and they immediately take firearms away from the citizens.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
So it's a driving I'm s huglining, show me where
to sign the papers. They're messing around with his computer.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I won't grin any pretty good at it, Charlie.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
No, I just until it locks up. We you know,
we were talking about how long it took to take
one of the breaks earlier. The whole time a little
blue circles going around and around. They didn't come up
with a redneck computer. I could understand.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Hold on a minute.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, they got what what kind of operating system you got?
I got windors Windows. Yeah, that's the redneck version of Windows.
Well you got any antivirus? Yeah? What's it called? Screen winder?
It screens everything. Well you go, well, this's got a
screen door, and so you know that keeps all the
(37:51):
bugs out. I'm telling you, man, that's like having that
that gum GP at minute, the voice guide that they
got come out with the redneck version. I don't understand
why anybody happen because even all the other people in
the world to buy it just because it's funny.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Take a left like you is headed to Mamos. Take
take a left like you is headed down to Mamo's house.
But before you get there, turn it to red. Turn
it the red barn.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You doesn't miss the road, You've got to go up
here and make it. You turn you know, well, I
love how how when you miss a road on the
following the blue line on the GPS and you miss
a road and it shows you got to, you know,
turn left five miles up the road and make the
block and come back. I'm going there's a turnaround right there,
you know, Just you turn around and it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, let me lock it in. I think I can
get through that. That particular did itch ruight there.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I want you to hate it to get on the
interstate and you're driving along and you know, not paying
much attention, and you pass the exit and then the
traffic backs up and you're looking over to your right,
going there's the exit right there. I think I could
probably hunt.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I think we tried that in the middle of the
night and a rented r V up in the something
where between. That we did in the middle of the night,
somewhere between here and South Dakota. One time missed the
exiting like that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, I remember sitting there and bouncing up, hitting
the head on seiling that r V. Took that r
V back up there the better. I think all those
doors were loose when we picked it up.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
They were they were just about to about to give
up the ghost before.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
We livet water toilet and it made it. It's all say,
what are you doing? Missed the turn, you go down
and all going up there.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
This year we were going, we're going, well we'll go.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
We don't know how we're gonna go, what we're gonna
transfer ourselves in. But we got a van in the
parking lot. We don't do the r V thing anymore
because that is the most so an r V, A
motor home is absolutely I love traveling at them. You know,
go and play it. But you don't put eight guys
in an r V and go a long way because
those like the little.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The little table slash booth slash couch slash fighting.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
You shove your kids in there and let them eat
and put and make it into a little short bed,
but you don't want to sit in that thing for twelve, fourteen,
eighteen hours. That thing is not comfortable.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Recliners in the in the van, however.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
They are more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I cracked the van up a couple of days ago
and rode it around the block a few times, went
and drove a little bit everything for it good, so
it's ready to go.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I keep saying I'm gonna start driving home every once
in a while, and then I always have some reason
reason not to. It's just, you know, my car is
too comfortable. In my truck, I'm always pulling something. I'm
pulling the trailer today van. I pull a trailer all
the way to south to coat them back. Yeah. Yeah,
So what's going on with fishing.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'll tell you what. We've man been seeing some mayflies
this week.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I'll get out of the.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Brim hitting on them. Grass is still starting to come
back on the flint up there on the lake. On
Lake some of all talk of del Bessie. He fished yesterday?
What ha been Thursday out of Like chalcol was catching
some ice blue gill fishing the shady banks.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, you get those mayflies hatching on and get on
a shady bank and fly fish or throw beetlespins. Man,
I have fun with the ultra light. I was, uh,
I was eyeballing my ultra lights in the garage yesterday
and I was like, yeah, I need to I think
I need to go throw one of them. It's uh,
it's that time of year.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I used to love summertime on Lake Talk and my
uncle had a lake house down there, and we'd go
stay at the lake house sometime on the weekends and
I'd take the boat across from his place and go
find those those banks over there with those old man
catch some old, big old blue gills. As that's nothing
wrong with that right there. You all been catching any bass?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, the bass we've had, I've been on the water
every day this week, and man, I tell you what,
the bike's been better. It seems like it in the
evening the versus in the morning. For the bass been
catching on frogs or hitting frogs again. And uh, man,
I tell you what. We've had several fish over seven
pounds this week, but just when they hit it just
blowing up all that it has.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Madden dadd would say it like you dropped the kids
nails in the water.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
I tell you what, it's it's been fun and that
that's this time. That's going to last another couple of months,
you know, especially mornings and evenings. But so far it
seems like the bike get more bites. And even though last.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Night, after these little afternoon thunderstorms get them out of
the way.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Things down a little bit and they start to buy.
That's why I've been doing my trips, you know, having
the place up there, I go, people come and stay
with fish the evening and fish the next morning. It's
been working really good.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
But the what are they biting? What are you catching them.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
On on a top water frag frog when you're supposed
to bring us, Yeah, I forgot to bring I'll bring
you next week. Fred wasn't here, so he'll I'll bring
next week. But I've added some feet to it.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And man, little paddles there, and it's that thing.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
You can throw it up in the thickest cover, reel
it back through that it does will not hang up,
and then big basket. They'll get up under them thickly
as you've seen it. And that's that's what they're doing
right now. They're getting out of there, getting for shape.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Customer come in. He wants to go fishing with you
and learn about I just hasn't lived here that long,
but he's asking about Lake Talquin and Lake Seminole, and
I know you you're primary to Lake Seminole, but you
have fish. He was asking, Yes, he was asking about
color of plastic baits to fish with and Lake Talquin,
and I was like, man, that's just one of those
you know, they're they're the purples and blacks and blues
(43:18):
have always been good on Talaquin better somewhere. Seminole has
always been a green or tan or every pumpkin seed
or watermelon seed.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Or something ye watermelon, especially in the creek watermelon red
that works really good up there.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
But in Taquin is to me has always been darker
color the black. You know, there's this time of year
on talaquhen you can go around the docks and stuff
and take a big like a ten inch black man's
jelly worm or something and flip up under the docks
and you just liable to catch them.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
All right, So why do you think that is the color?
Water color water clarity?
Speaker 3 (43:55):
That was guy with tea color to it.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Talaquin has a lot of tannic, Yeah, tea color, tannic
stain brown. It's the brown brown color water and now
always just about always on Lake Talquin fishing in deeper
water than you are on a trail. Taquin is a
very unique, very unique lake for Florida.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
It's no lake like Lake Talquin in Florida. All all
your Florida lakes are god made lakes. That's a man
made lakes, got rivers, creek channels, river channel running through
nothing else like it.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
All the other lakes around here essentially big sand hill
ponds or sink coal fed or whatever.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Ammonia is the same way sin Cole sink Cole natural
lakes been here forever. Talquin was uh basically little river
and o'klackney river confluence and that they dammed it up,
made this really deep reservoir.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Like you see, what's what's your fall The followed.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
As a reservoir. It is a man made made.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Reservoir that actually big.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Oh yes, like it's twice the size. It's like sixty
seven thousand acres, might even be bigger than that. But
it runs kind of north and south, and buddy, when
that wind gets blown from the north from the south,
they can get ruffle on in that pond. But that
is a great fishery up there.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's it is more similar, so you falla similar to Taqon. Yes,
it is more like Talcuin where you've got you've got
river channels running through the lake seminoles. Very Seminole is
like Talquin in that it is a reservoir. It's a
man made reservoir. Where they dammed up the Chattoochi in
the Flint. But because you have to think, because on
Seminole you had so many other small tributaries coming in there,
(45:31):
you still ended up with a lot of shallow water
and a little bit of deep water because they literally
dammed it up at the confluence of the Chattahoochie in.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
The Flint on seminoles made up of three parts. You
have the Chattucci River which comes from Efaula, then you
have Spring Creek, then you have the Flint River, and
right below it is the right below the dam is
the Afflachicola which goes to col Bay. And it's actually
the type it's called as a lowland two where you
have a river channel and then from the river channel
(46:02):
to the bank, they'll have these large flats and they'll.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Be just gradual, gradual bottom terrain and it's not a
lot of deep drop off stuff. Talquin is full of
creek channels because you've got the Oak Laught, and you've
got the little River, You've got the Oklahoha, You've got
the creek. Yeah, all of these other creeks that all
just kind of were all coming into the Oaklock in
the river at the same place. So you end up
(46:25):
with a whole bunch of deep water.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Pretty much. Every if you drive any of the roads
that border Talquin, you're going over a bridge and other
bridge and this creek that creeked and Harvey Creek just
that and every one of them goes into.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
The right and the terrain is so much different off
of the Talquin. You've got a lot of high ground,
You've got a lot of steep banks and stuff like
that that you don't have over on Seminole. You know
that some of the I would say the vast majority
of the best fishing lakes in the country are are reservoirs.
I don't I mean there's the natural about the biggest
(46:58):
natural lake that's the best fishing is.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
With be Okachobe.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, and I've heard them.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, Okachobe has been messed up. It's they're they're starting
to really do a lot of reclamation of the natural
flow of things. But Lake Okachobe is essentially the headwaters
of the Ever Delivers. Yeah, and you've had the sugar
cane farmers and stuff over the years, and the you know,
there's so much nutrient going into the water that you
had an overgrowth of vegetation. And but they're starting to
(47:25):
reclaim a lot of that and correct a lot of
those things that man did to that. But I still
say Okachobe as far as big fish and just amazing fishing, Okachobe's.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Grown up there. Yeah, sure it is. It is for sure,
I think says eight six. I reckonless. See y'all next
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