July 5, 2025 • 47 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And welcome to the Town out Doors Show. I'm Charlie,
I'm g D.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Captain Ball Tyre, I'm Fred.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Special guests, guest star Di somebody call a doctor.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm here executive.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
He's the reason this show exists.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Yeah, well you are the reason it exists.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, now I'm going on eleven years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember when we originally sat down. I think it
is you came to us and said, hey, you want
to do your own radio show.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I remember that. And what was our response?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Was you remember better than I do?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I think it was something like, yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, what what? Who was going to listen to us?
It was more like, y'all, sure you will? You sure
you want to do this?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Now what kind of what kind of you is going
to listen to us? With y'all listening?
Speaker 6 (00:59):
We said you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That person.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It was one of those, really one of those. We'll
do one or two of them and see how Yeah exactly, yeah,
a couple of ye going. Yes, sir, you have a
recording of the first show. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
We think that's all on my Heart Radio. You can
go back on my Heart on our I Heart the
(01:25):
podcast podcast thing you can go back and listen to
every one of them. They're all there for posterity.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And the thing is it sounds just like now today.
I mean it's like it's like a different no time
has gone by, but we're at four show, four hundred
and seventeen, four hundred and eighteen today, something like that.
And it's a weekly show. That's a lot of weeks.
Here's somebody do to math?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So on the first show, is it like it is now?
Where we walk in and nobody says it ain't anybody,
You just start talking?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yep, Yeah, pretty much. And it was in Preston Studio yep.
And so we'd walk in there and who produced uffs
originally was.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It David Allen?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
David Allen and then Dallas I think it was, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Ryan, And we walked down with zero agenda, Welcome to
the Talent Outdoor Show and uh yeah, we're gonna uh
whatever we will talk.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Usually started with right before what we're gonna try to
looking at me and what we're gonna talk about today.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'm pretty much it. I don't think we've walked in
here with notes more than six or eight times in
the history of our show where we actually had any
any semblance of an idea of what we might talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
When did you start doing the and we're back.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Pretty much? I had to say something between when we
came back from there, well remember back.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And we got we got a little bit of coaching
along the way from Preston.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, he watched like the first one.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well there was no watching. Then there was a video.
He listened every weekend and he still does.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He listens to this.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yep, sure does. So there's this phenomenon going around in
the criminal world, particularly in the South, and it's a
phenomenon called juggingg Yeah, jugging, and and what it is
I'm not really sure why they call it jugging. Yeh,
you follow it, but yeah, So you go get money
out of an ATM or you get money from the
bank or whatever, and these people follow you, they watch you,
(03:17):
they're staking out in the place. They say, okay, that
person came out with money, and then they follow you
somewhere and then they rob you and run away and
then Fred defends you later on.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And so the with the money that they stole, probably if.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It wasn't recovered, and if it was recovered, then probably
not getting paid because they they're getting a public defender,
and uh so uh and and and it's referred to
for some reason as jugging. And I said, yeah, well,
if it was on our radio show, Fred would have
something to say because his mind lives in the gutter.
And and I think Presston's response was a very respectful
something along the line of m yeah or something, because
(03:53):
he's not going I can't drag him in the gutter
with you.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And then you went to talking about hot brass down
the cleavage.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And yeah, I really didn't want to talk about that,
but I told him a story on the break, and
he goes, I'm not going to let you get away
without telling that story. So you you heard how I
talked all around it. Yeah, to get back to it,
And so it wasn't the main topic of conversation.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, it's a thing, it really is.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah. It originated in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I wonder if they call it that because of like
watching the jug float down the river waiting on catfish.
When I first heard him the jug up and down.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, I heard.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
About it back a couple of months ago, and I thought.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
That's the first thing when y'all said that, that's my
first thought. I'm thinking about all, I'm thinking about a
fishing line times.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And the epidemic of people throwing jugs in the lake stuff.
I mean, what's going on? And then I and sure
enough it's a thing. I mean, they'll what they'll do
is there's two of them and they have in cars.
They follow the guy that's gone to go pay his
workers in cash or whatever he's doing. He's withdrawing money
out of the ATM or the bank. They box him
(04:57):
in at the next location and he doesn't he's not
looking around and beat him up take his money. So
it's a carjacking, is what it is. But they're calling
it jugging because that's just theiring.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You're authorized to use lethal force to prevent said carjacking
or violent felon there from occurring. So that's another way
Fred doesn't get to defend that person if they're not
alive to be defended.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, I hadn't been jugged.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Ye, Well, well.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I was sorry for you.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And then and then that all led to talking about
the cleavage accident we've had that We have had that
happen twice in the existence of the gun range we
have had. We had it happen twice where husband and
wife come to the range. Wife wearing low cut shirt,
(05:52):
which we recommend a collared shirt that's high cut that
you know, covers her from the neck down, and she
was both In both incidents, the wife was shooting the
target and a piece of hot brass came out of
the pistol and went down her shirt, and she goes
to get it out because it's painful as all get out.
(06:15):
And in two separate occasions, the wife has shot the
husband in the leg almost in the exact same spot
in the leg, which is down just above the knee more.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Than like a bay away from where the other one
was right, and it causes it doesn't feel good. And
so here's the thing is, there's a range rule. We're
supposed to wear clothes, collar shirt when you come out here.
That's the reason there's the range rul, and the rain
rue was in place ahead of that, but we don't
enforce it because I tell you how to dress. So
here's so you come in with your wife and she
(06:46):
has cleavage, Well, good for you, you married, welly, okay, good
for you. However, there's an inherent risk if she dresses
that way, and you know, and it's a common way
to do that and stay cool in the summer heat
and all that. But uh, but how do I standing
there at the counter. I tell you, how do I
(07:06):
address the fact that your wife needs to cover all
that up?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I tell you what I have done. When I worked
at the range a lot before we open the store,
and I was down at the range every day, I
had a couple of ladies come in and I just
basically said, I'm going to give you a T shirt.
You need to wear it while you're on the range
because of the way they were dressed. And she said,
why do I need to wear a T shirt? And
(07:30):
I said, because there are parts that are exposed that
you do not want hot brass landing on and you
need to cover that up or there is a high
risk potential for for you to get burned. And she said, okay,
thank you, and I said thank you too, have a
nice day. And that was I had.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I had one. I had one come in.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Henceforth, all you have to do is say, look, we
have a guy that inspects this sort of earth no,
and they call two four thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And five not now trying to keep it in good taste.
I did. I did have someone come in very similar
It was a couple and it physically fit and all
this and well maintained both of them. And they were
standing there and I'm looking. I'm going there's some very
potential danger here, and I'm not sure, and so I
didn't talk to her. I talked to him and I said,
(08:21):
let me tell you a story. And I told him
the story of one that had occurred, and he goes, yeah,
And I said, there's a reason i'm telling you this
story is are you taking her shoes? Yeah, I'm gonna
show her some things, I said, which I'm trying to
keep you from going down the path. And based on
her method of dress for today, there is a very
(08:42):
high likelihood that this could reoccur. I'm trying to save
you here. I wasn't. I'm not I'm not looking. But
you know fairly obvious that you you you might want
to figure well, she's got a jacket in there or
something in the shirt. And I said, okay, you talk
to her about it. I'm not going to talk to
her about it. I don't want to make her un comfortable.
And you're not mad at me for bringing it up,
(09:02):
are you?
Speaker 7 (09:03):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
I said, Okay, you need to tell that story.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You want to be I want to know why they
got shot in the leg. I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's a it's a dancing around gun in one hand,
finger on the trigger, and and it's we tend to
clinch our fists when pain happens, So it's a it
is a completely forgotten that they had completely forgotten about
the gun in their hands, and they were fully concentrating
(09:34):
on the hot brass in a sensitive area.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Well, and in one case it was slinging. It was
trying to drop the gun with the finger and the
momentum of the gun spinning and pushing the trigger, and
it was entirely it was reflexive, and it hadn't Yeah,
it was normally.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
And and the thing is they were.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm abruptly into we got right out of time.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Talking about as well, I didn't have a timer in
front of me and I had a timer behind me,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Still but anyway, so back to what we were talking about.
We've had, like I said, those two incidents of of
hot brass and the cleavage, and we had we've had
a couple of incidents at the range since we've been
in business, all stemming from one particular brand of of making,
model of holster, not one we make, which is I
(10:44):
don't know, Charlie, do I say?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Okay? So different brands of holsters have different concerns, and
most of your safari Land products their retention system is
off of the thumb around the any of the locking
mechanisms for Safirland activated with the thumb right or deactivated
with the thumb. There is a holster style and it
(11:10):
is very very much in wide use. It's from black Hall.
It's a Surpa holster and it's got a trigger finger release, okay,
which the retention device inside the holster works fine. It's
a good retention holster. However, you are you are manipulating
that with your trigger finger, not your thumb. Well, your
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trigger finger also manipulates that little thing called the trigger,
and the combination of those two without proper training, can
I won't say it's inherently dangerous, but I will say
that it can without proper training, if you're not paying attention,
can cause you to put your finger somewhere it doesn't
belong at an inopportune time.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And in every circumstance. Having talked to the person that
had shot themselves in the foot or the leg with
with that Surfa holster. What happens is they start trying
to work under time constraints. They're using a shot timer
where they're trying to draw and fire as quickly as
humanly possible, and they're using that index or the trigger
(12:11):
finger to press in on a paddle to release the
locking mechanism. And what happens is they've got this all
this pressure on their trigger finger and it slides right
straight up the holster and as soon as their finger
because every one of these has been shot in the
same place, which it'll run right down the outside of
the leg or go right in the top of the
foot on their strong side, and it's the pressure of
(12:33):
that trigger finger coming off of the holster. And you know,
if you put pressure on your finger and do that,
it kind of like snapping your fingers. Okay, So that finger,
that pressure comes off the index finger and goes right
on the trigger and slaps the trigger and goes bang
and got a hold on your foot.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I've seen like with UH and Roger Steel. Well, now
i will say that I've seen situations where people were
reholstering and they had their fingers still on the trigger
and when they go to put it in a holster,
in it and that's and that can be any holster.
It's not one particular brand. That can be any holster.
Everybody else. The shooter's fault there and you're trying to
reholster your finger on the trigger and because you're inexperienced
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and untrained, and as you shove it in the holster,
it pushes your trigger finger forward and it will run
that bullet right down through the through the holster and
into the same places. Now I've seen back when I
went through my first Roger shooting course back in the day,
was at Pat Thomas was at a sweite guy running
nineteen eleven and we were trying to do those time well,
(13:34):
we were doing those time drills to where you know
in the cheating, Yeah you're and as you're coming out
of the holster, his finger was going to the trigger
and presenting the gun to the target. It was bam, bam, bam.
All walked arounds up to the thing, and of course
Bill was like, yeah, that's not how it's done, and
(13:54):
everybody else is running blocks and so the glock shooters,
you know, because he kind of designs that for that
type of trigger system not necessarily sweeping the safety off.
So different firearms types can be higher liability than other
firearms types just based on the trigger mechanisms. And then
when you get to doing trigger jobs on stuff and
(14:15):
you're trying to smooth things out or polishing things is
one thing, but when you start grinding and doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Lowering the pound the weight it takes to dischargegger. That's
why we really don't even we sell a glock makes
a glock factory competition trigger that will doesn't really lower
the weight so much, but it lowers how much the
trigger has to travel to fire the gun. So you're
shortening your trigger travel, you're lowering the weight by maybe
(14:42):
a pound, so you go from five and a half
pounds to four and a half pounds, So it's not
really the weight a lot of times of the trigger
pool job. But there are some firearms out there that
you can take from a ten pound, eleven or twelve
pound trigger maybe on some revolvers, and if you with
the right set of spring replaced and with enough polishing
on there, you can take a twelve pound trigger and
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turn it into an eight pound or six pound really
smooth trigger. I highly don't I tell people this at
least once a week. If this is the gun you're
gonna carry for self defense, absolutely do not do a
trigger job on it. And I say this because I
followed the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin case very closely. Zimmerman's
(15:29):
gun was absolutely not modified. They actually brought in a
person from kel Tech, which is the type of gun
he was using. They brought in a person from kel
Tech that testified that that trigger on his gun was
within factory standards, which was seven to nine pounds. Now
it was at seven pounds. His trigger was the trigger
pull weight was seven pounds. They leave the factory from
(15:50):
kel Tech somewhere between seven and nine pounds. They're all
a little bit different. His had just been shot a
lot and that showed wear on it, but it was
still within factor respects. And everybody goes, well, so, what
what's the big deal? Well, they talked about it for
a full day in court morning and afternoon. They had
(16:11):
it went through a full How much does do you
charge for a full day at trial?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Fred, it's on that trial.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, let's just say on a murder case, how would
how much would you charge? Just in general? What a
law of your charge for a day in court on
a murder case, it doesn't have to be you fifteen
one thousand dollars. So they spent The defense spent ten
to fifteen thousand dollars that day, not counting the expert
(16:39):
witness that they brought in from Celtic that they probably
had to pay.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
To be there. Oh no, he was one thousand bucks
an hour.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I mean right, So they had this guy on the stand,
they discussed it. They were trying. Yeah, so they're trying
to uh talk. Yeah, so I'm way under charging for
my expert expert testimony if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But anyway, deposition bi hour, I'm like, so how old.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Car like this? Yeah, but but my point is if
you got to figure if that if now let's take
into us. So they're trying to prove that George Ammermann
willfully murdered uh Trayvon Martin with with premeditation, right, that
was what they were trying to prove in this case.
So imagine if he had had a trigger job done.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But it's not only that they they would have had
a better argument for a lesser included.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
All of the above. You're opening yourself up to a
lot of liability. If you take a factory gun and
you do things to it to make it shoot faster, better,
whatever else you're you're opening yourself up to all of
those questions down the road. Yeah, God forbid you have
to use it in a self defense situation.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like having a car if you put nitrous, you know,
added to the thing to give it an extra thousand
horse power, and then you happen to get in an
accident and.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Doing eighty miles. So think in terms of the same thing,
if if you okay, So, I love laser engraved stuff,
cool stuff at the range. I like seeing really cool
guns and putting fancy stuff on magazines. However, the one
that I'm gonna carry my truck is not gonna have
all that on it. The person the firearm that I'm
gonna have in my waistband has no engraving, and it
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doesn't have you know, smile and wait for the flash
on the end of the barrel. It doesn't have kill
them all that God sort them out engraved on the magazine.
Because when I go to court, if I go to
court criminally or civilly, I don't want to be showing
that yes, in my range bag. And maybe you got
pictures of me on Facebook doing something like that, which
you want, but that you know, that's all fun and games.
(18:43):
But the stuff that I that's in then the court
that day, that's on the table as evidence is gonna
be playing and I'm not gonna have to I'm not
gonna have to explain that.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Right, And that's just what there's been. There was a
I think it was a law enforcement case out with
somewhere that the guy had a shot a guy with
an AR. The cop shot a bad guy with an
AR fifteen and had your uh, you're your your you're
eft on the dust cover when he charges. When when
you charge an AR fifteen, you got that dust cover
(19:15):
that flies open. We had that printed lasered on his
dust cover.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So that didn't go everywhere.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
It doesn't go over well in court it.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Because it doesn't go well for me. I mean I
have a field day.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
With that, right, So you get my point. It's just
we we and I get wanting to have cool stuff.
You know, I've got an AR fifteen that i'd hunt
with sometime that has when you open the dust cover,
it says let it rain. It happens to be a
black rain ordinance. And that's their slogan. And that's just
something they engraved on the I didn't put it on there.
(19:47):
It so it says when you charge it up, it
flops open. It says, let it rain. Okay, Well I
can say for a fact though, that that came from
the manufacturer. Just like that. It's just there, it's their
company slogan.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Here, we'll engrave stuff for you. I just don't.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm going to time.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You just need to be careful what it says. I mean,
and we do verses and we do all yeah, I mean,
I got I mean if if my wife ran an
AR fifty, she would her What did we put on
her truck was the you'll love this red the Lilo stitch,
the little stitch dude, the little little critter. She wanted
that cut out from the vinyl cutter for a back
(20:25):
window of her truck. She calls it stitch. And so
she doesn't have the pajamas like you do. Fred. Yeah,
the story. But but you know the thing is is
you we'll do cute stuff, we'll do all that stuff,
but when you get into the the serious business, the
serious stuff, then just be just I'm saying is be smart.
(20:46):
We have an attorney in the room, we've got gun
people in the room, and we're telling you to be
smart when it comes to that because it's hard to
it's hard to explain that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Ye say a couple of things. One I didn't say
as the last show, and my kid called me out
about it. It was Father's Day weekend. My middle child
gives me this nice wrapped up kip and I opened
it up and it's a pair of freaking Lilo and
Stitch pajamas.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, now you're required to wear those to Walmart?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Now I gotta go analyze of Tesla and go to Walmart.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
What are you dressed up as a day conselor a
Walmart shopper?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Freaking Yeah? I actually warm around for a little while,
just make every by man. But speaking of the things
that engrave, So this is the same son, this is
last year I was up on a dove hunt. Kid
comes over and says, hey, says, that guy says he's
got your name tattooed on his butt, And I'm like,
what takes me over there?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
God drops his pants. Sure enough, he says your name
on his butt.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
So he's shown that off at the bar before you
know he has he's won money off the boy's one
drinks off of that one tons.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We'll be right the rest of that story on the break. Well, anyway,
I'm still all right, so here here. So if you're
(22:15):
wondering why Charlie can't put two sentences together at the
beginning or the end of these segments, because I am
producing the show right now, I don't know. And our
executive producer Grant's still out with the childbirth, and you know,
every all our prayers going out to him. Everything's good
and he's taking a little time off from the show,
and we are. Everything's on my land. We're doing two
(22:38):
shows today. That is ten segments, guys, ten segments. I
got it, ed it. I will be here at midnight
because I am. I'm lost.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I know you won't, but I will turn the alarm
off when you leave and forget to do that because I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I got a new phone last week because my dad,
and nothing works on my phone. I spent three days
trying to get email to work on my phone.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Is it working?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It does now, but not the way it used to.
So there's Microsoft Outlook, and then there's Google workspace. You
got two different ways basically, And so I got the
new phone. It was dead, and instead of doing an
insurance claim, I just got a new phone. There's a Galaxy.
It's twenty five Ultra blah blah blah blah blah. Didn't
have to put you know whatever, the trade to od
(23:24):
one in that didn't work and they gave me. So
I get home and I'm like, I got to install this.
I got to install that. I can't. I can't turn
the alarm on it the store remotely because I don't
have that app and I don't have this app and
the other app. And I'm like, oh my, I can't
even I want to check the news that's not in there,
on and on and on, and I'm like, well, let
me put my email in there, because I live off
of this phone. And I went through. We get our
(23:46):
email domainster go daddy because it used to be.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Cool good daddy, Good.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Daddy, and so so there was there was and so
I called them and they're going, oh, well, you got
to talk to our support specialists, and I'm like, all right. Finally,
when I couldn't do it over the weekend on Monday,
I got him support that you can talk to the
support specialist. Well, the support specialist who called me back
the next day had an accent.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
That drives me and ship from around.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Here now now and he wants to and this is
from GoDaddy. He goes, Oh, we'll need to and I'm
not going to do the accent. We'll need to remote
into your personal computer and then and then very much
like that, and then we will get into your phone
and then now now, and he goes, but I need
to be clear with you. It's going to take a
(24:35):
long time. And we charged two hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
See if you've got an iphoe.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, whatever, And so I'm like, well, well, the problem
was the phone was completely dead. Normally you just set
them next to each other and they talked to each
other and everything comes over, but not when the phone
won't come on.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, you got some dude in Bangladesh.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh no, I didn't do that. I told him where
he could go, I said, I said, I said, politely, sir,
you can take that and stick it somewhere. And I
did tell them, I said, I'm not doing that. I
used to be a fraud detective. I'm still on long
for I don't know and he goes, well, we're I know,
you know doing it. It ain't happening. Ever, I will,
I will change those name names, I will get different websites.
(25:18):
I will spend a lot more money to keep from
paying you two hundred dollars an hour and giving you
access to my computer, because it's not the money, it's
the principle of the thing. And at the end of
the day, I got online and I started googling stuff,
and I tried like forty different things. I mean, I'm
doing everything everybody online says. And I finally ended up
going with and I found that I'm not the only
person has this problem. There's a bunch of folks out
(25:38):
there having the exact same issue. Way back at the
beginning of the year. I'm just late to the game
and when you show up, you know anyway, it's just so.
I found out that if anybody out there had the issue,
because Verizon couldn't help, Go Daddy couldn't help. Microsoft won't
talk to you. They just send you a bunch of emails.
Google will not talk to you. There's not a person
(26:01):
that you can talk to at Google. And ultimately I
found that Microsoft Exchange. I went through the back door,
and I got Microsoft Exchange, and so now I see
my Microsoft email on Gmail, on Google. So I say
all that, say this as you send me an email
I don't even know who comes from. I'm struggling, right, struggling.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
You're gonna start going through your photos. You're gonna find
your head transposed on a chicken and a coat.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well you know that, A I can do that. A
A I can do that right now. I mean a
I can do really cool stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
With you made the dude from Bangladesh? Mad is what happens?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Where it happened. You're gonna have Charlie.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It'll be like that scene in that movie Hunger Game
is where they had a whole have Charlie's face on
pit Bull were out there Friday.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's okay. That don't bother me. Not being able to
check my email that bothers me. And all right, well
we'll go Rinchies. We'll be back in just a minute.
(27:10):
And we're back.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Fred.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
We're talking about that stuff now, I was talking about Jesus.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm just kidd and I'm kid and I'm kidd you.
Now you're trying to think of the name of an
animated movie.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It was the Christmas Carol.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's not a Christmas Carol Charles Dickens, I understand, but
this was featured Charles Dickens as a animated character and
you and he goes back and walks along.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Rejoined the show. Fred is still straining his brain trying
to come up with the name of something he can't
think of. Go ahead on me.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He takes his child, and the child goes back and
they walk along with Christ as he goes through his journey.
And it was, you know, a heart way. I wanted
to take my grandchildren and say, look, you know, this
is what we're celebrating this year, not Santa Claus. And uh,
you know, put a little religion into him.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Rudolph the Rednues Reindeer.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, he went in the Bible. And now I can't
remember the name.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Of the major the major scene. Now he could have
been there, you don't know, Maybe there was a rain
there in there.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I'm afraid if I google it it might pull up
something else.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But yeah, you gotta we don't want to see anything
with your search history on it, your.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Name, your name.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
So I got a beef.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
H there's this trend nowadays among these gen z millennial
blue haired.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Can we can we talk about this on here?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah you can.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
They don't fish, They're they're using words that don't exist,
and they're they're making contraction of work. Yeah, that that's
one of them. But the one that offends me more
than anything is this word t r y n A try.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm trying to TRYA is not a word.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You sound stupid if you're using the word trying to
in an email or a text, trying to I'm trying to.
I'm trying to get me something, you know, Just stop it.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, well listen saying it and writing it, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You shouldn't even say it writing.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It if you were using slang talking, I mean, every
generation has it slang, But when you were writing and
communicating in writing, yeah, I mean, come on, yeah, I'm
trying to find.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
The problem is the kids that the people that are
using those words now are the ones that were at
home during middle school and during COVID. It's the just
graduated from high school age and are a little bit
older maybe that have had this onn very We've talked
about it on the show before. They've got their very
own language, with the very own set of words.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
That don't and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, it's just just be patient, it'll go away.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
That it's I'm just worry.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I mean, my grandkids come and you know, hey, Pop,
I'm trying to find some No, you're not my house.
I'm trying to get I belt out, put it across
your talk.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't really have an issue with the word. I mean,
you know, because being from the country, I use a
lot of abbreviated.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Abbreviated, that's okay, But trying to fixing something you're fixing sensuous.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Sensuous since she was up getting me a beer at
the fridge mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But you don't write it that way, no.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Text you.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I try.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I try to. I try to draw the line in
official communication and personal communication with words like y'all. Okay, now,
y'all is perfectly acceptable. But I don't write it in
an email when I'm conversing with a potential client. I
writing in an email when I'm talking to my family
or my friends, Hey, when y'all going to be there,
(30:53):
you know what are y'all thinking about doing? But when
I'm emailing someone and presenting a security proposal for services
or at the FUTER class, I don't go. Well, when
I get there, y'all tell me what No, I'm like,
you know, can you collectively come up with a solution
for you know.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I say y'all. I say y'all on purpose sometimes so
they know where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm talking about I'm getting emails from gen Z lawyers using.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh no, totally inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I'm like, would you go to Zoom law school or
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Probably well.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
So one of the reasons we're doing two shows today
at the same back to back is because next week,
not this, not today, but next Alreday, I'm gonna be
in New York City. New York City me is gonna
be in New York City with my family. Now, I'm
gonna say y'all every opportunity I get.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
They're gonna look at you like you got three heads.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And that's just exactly the way I want to leave
that Feller alone over there now.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Now, when I when I was in New York City
for a better part of about eight or nine months,
I had I worked when I was twenty two. I
think it was right before I came to work at FSU.
I had twenty one twenty two, went up there working
for the phone company, a subcontractor doing phone working in
one of the buildings for New York Telephone Company. And
(32:17):
there's a third party contractor. We were not part of
union shop got ran off all kinds of stuff, and
we took some reading. Yeah, runt off, and we got up.
We got up there, and we were they snuck us
in the building. We were doing this work. And and man,
you talking about because you've got so many accents up there,
(32:38):
and but but lord, and you got the Bronx, and
you got the Queens, and you've got Manhattan folks, and
you got the Jersey Heights and all that stuff running
around there. And everybody talks different, especially there's Bronx folks.
And there was a guy from the Bronx that just
loved to pick on me. And then you bring us,
you know, North Florida, South Alabama rednecks up in the mix.
And and you know, of course, you know everybody, all
(32:59):
the women. The It was cute when I was aware
in the sandwich or something, you know, Can I get one?
Can I get one of them sandwiches? You know? And
it's just I was young, and I hadn't learned to
clean up my my enunciation yet And it was funny.
I did get in a fight. They're in the and
and the I think it was the tenth floor the
New York Tail building up on seventy second Street and
(33:21):
one of the avenues there, and yeah, we got a
little shoving match up there over I had enough of
his I had enough. No, but we we we became
friends after that. I still don't know half of what
he was saying. But every morning I come in here
go hey, y'all do it, And I'm like, y'all was
about to kick you? Never mind? Finally one day on you.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just like it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah. My grandfather, my papa Toni's from New Jersey and
was born in upstate nowhere.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
One of the ain't none of them in my woodpile?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Well, I mean north as we went was like Virginia,
North Carolina maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Well, the other part of my family goes back to
the late sixteen hundreds. I mean, I mean it was
way back when when you you had to agree to
work for a while to get over here on the boat.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I don't necessarily know they agreed. It's one of them.
You're gonna you're gonna get on the boat.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, we got a job for you.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, I mean my apparently my ancestors and Jady's got
a similar background as my ancestor I have. I have
Stricklands are in Parliament. I mean we were lords and
ladies back in the day and there's a castle this
this Strickland or this decissor decissor something like that. Anyway,
it was the Strickland and before it was disturbed Strickland,
it was the stircland it was devoused when they came
(34:46):
out of Normandy France to come over and fight back
in the day. I got my family leneas on the
Strickland side goes I've got that trace back to like
nine eighty and you know, it goes way back there.
We were standard bearers to one of the French uh
whatever was in Normandy back in the day, and so
it was it was part of that was it was
(35:07):
part of England, you know, it was all like one
country back then, and there was other parts of France.
I guess I don't get into the history too much.
All I know is that apparently if you were the
eldest son, you became somebody. And if some of my
ancestors weren't the eldest son, and they ended up on
a boat, so you know, came over here, get him
a job. I got to get on up out of here.
(35:27):
I'm gonna go on and uh yeah, it's ended up
in the North Carolina area after Virginia and big tobacco
farmers and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's uh Scottish, which I guess explains my fondness for
many skirts.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
In Scotch your find us for wearing many skirts.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
So it is, yeah, well wearing looking at him, buy
them shop and.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
For man, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I don't even know what to do with that, Charlie,
you know, I mean, just like could picture Fred and
the kilt, they just you know, they'd be hanging in one.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'm gonna be done and kill you.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
See Fred and the kilt, but you know, be hanging
around his ankle. So I think that's a skirt at
that point and address adress.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You have to figure out what what the high heel thing?
Why why I like that on them?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's because it gets makes you taller, guess that's what
it is.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Makes you as tall as your wife. That's a beautiful
thing when you can walk around the high heels in
the house and be as tall as your wife.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Anybody listening to this, well, well we know why Fred
doesn't see eye eye with most people.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
This guy looks like they have to squat down.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Hey, let me chine in real quick and tell the
listeners that these shows that start out like this, I
just want you to.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Know that Fred Fred took us down a whole different
rabbit hole when he started coming on the show. Every
day rabbitvity, it's down a hole. What you wonder is
the tear of mine?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Longer story we got time. It's a driving anchor.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I'm sort of going and show hello if you that Butler. Fred,
you said you had a history professor.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I had a history professor at the Sistens.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Okay, and this was in I graduated in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
See, he would have been eighty point eighties.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
He was already holds he's in and his he was
the grandson of President and he's John.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Tyler and Tyler too. Yes, that's word all right. So
with a long, long, long time ago that he was grand.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
He was President Tyler's grandson.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So apparently President Tyler had a son when he.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Was seventy seventy five, years old.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Okay, that son had a son when he was seventy
seventy five years old, and that.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That son it was that was my professor.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And Charlie's and he recently died.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And I said, he probably was having trouble changing his
kids diaper in his seventies. And I said, it's a
shame when you have to change your kids diaper. And
at the same time this became a little bit and
it was funny on the break it was.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
It was funny right then he.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Did have a fun all the kids as.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
We know where you get it from.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So going back to Paul, where's your family from?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Americans? Go there?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
You got that's all you know.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Well, everybody came from somewhere. So if you go back
and like I said, I'm tracing my my.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
Father's leanings back to nine eighty uh with the help
of all that stuff online and genealogy and so, but
even they came from somewhere before that, before that and
all the way back before then.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I run my DNA and there's all kinds of mess
ups up in there. I just but my wife, on
the other hand, I think she's like the lightest person
you're ever going to be, I mean her DNA, and
I had not mention her question, is.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
She you talk about her skin and your ancestors are
up there in Ireland somewhere where they used to rank
yourself up lou and all that stuff and fighting tribal wars,
and that's that's all the people where she came.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
So I did this, you know, I did this very
in depth DNA study. So we passed ancestry DNA or
twenty three and meter or whatever where they tell you
you're sixty percent Scottish and whatever it is, and where
there's one out there called gen on Knowing which researches
ancestry deep ancestral DNA. And I'm from all over the world.
(39:50):
I didn't like fourteen percent Hiberian Peninsula attack, so they
kind of want those two together, which is Fain Portugal
in Italy. So and then there's some in the Middle East.
I've got some from the Middle East from Iran and
a bunch of the Russian and then for whatever reason,
some Trimedians from India, uh Southern India. So I mean,
(40:15):
it's just neat to see how all over the world
enforce gets a hold. Okay, that's fine. They can have it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Like I said, if they can do every whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
That's that's why his and all kinds of family found
out the wood.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, I found a whole bunch of family because it
is adopted Elizabeth Ward. I do have like one one
point three percent Native American.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That American found all kinds of hopes that his brother,
all my brothers all your brother ancestor.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Five brothers and two sisters growing up the only child.
That's kind of been a.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
Shock one.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
You found many five.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I have five half brothers and two half sisters, and
I grew up an only child.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That was an actum number one.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
There's one.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Wow, who I think actually takes act after your biological father?
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (41:14):
Maybe so, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I don't know. I was over kids. Yes, okay, we
moved up here. We moved up here twenty two years ago.
We didn't know anybody.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I brought Wendy and my daughter Heather up here and
moved up here and moved in mont Sola with love,
fell in love with the area. Had bought Landville House
on and my daughter.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Gets on that ancestry on the website.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
My great grandparents lived and worked on a plantation in
mont and soul Wida. I had no idea.
Speaker 9 (41:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I found out that my biological grandfather worked and died
at Florida Hospital in Chattahoochee, and my mom and daddy
that raised me in Chattooge where I grew up in Chattahoochee,
went to high school with my basically my biological father's
first cousins.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
They knew they all.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
She knew the.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Whole my father biological father side.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Of the family from growing up.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's just a small world. Who was that little kid
running around on the streets out there and chattaho somebody
around here, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (42:24):
He flavors everybody in town.
Speaker 8 (42:27):
We're gonna.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Before we run.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
We got left. I've got something I brought about.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I brought the frogs.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I can show it, yes, because they have been big old.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
For you to put all this one.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
Last time we were here.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I know Bobby Williams, he was asking about what this
particular bay is.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I'm gonna try to explain this.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Charlie keeps telling me that they can't see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Help me, chading.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
This is a Lunker Hut, that's the brand, that's the
name of it, and it's got these little feet that's spent,
and I've been pulling these off and then adding some.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
These are bait keepers, base keepers. It's actually an honors.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
These are not real frogs for those These are lures
the feet off of real frogs. And if it was,
we'd be eating them.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Either hollow plastic hollow plastic frogs that float on the
top water lures that float on top of the float
on top of the lily pads or the water.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's right camera right there is capturing it. Somebody wants
on YouTube there's one.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
And what I do is just screwed. I put two
of these pins together. Yep, I'll put my hand up things.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
See it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You call that one, Lieutenant Dan, he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Get some new legs, that's right. And then I screw this,
threw it in there and then take me off any kind.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
Of trailer that's got a any kind of jig, any
kind of jig trailer.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
And screw it on there. And man, this thing has
been catching some biggins. And that's how I say about that.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
See what's gonna happen now, these Bake Countanies are going
to see your adaptation of said thing. And now not
only do they sell the initial bait, they also sell
replacement jigtails. And you gave your secret away and me
and you could have got rid of these.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
Actually come. I had a customer.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Copyright twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Yeah, I had a customer fish in last week and
he was fighting fishing a big one by this five
six pounder, and it jumped and I saw I thought
a bake fish jumped out of it, you know, slung
out of its mouth. It was actually the feet that
just pop off.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Okay, So it's that that's we'll have to come up
with a better cheese. We'll come up with a better
device there, Baulk. We can re engineer this.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
And that's what that's what I did with this. But
it's it has been producing some really big bass.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
You said that when you showed me a picture of
before we started a show, was nine pounds.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Nine pounds eight ounces, and that when that fish hit
it hit about from well a little bit for them here, Charlie.
But when it struck. Now, anybody that's bass fish knows
that a top water bike when they go up and
is almost I've never tried crack, but I hear it's
very addictive. It's it's addictive. You can get off over
(45:15):
a couple of days. Well, you know, I mean, it's
it's amazing. I mean, and it's that I was actually
had a guide with me when that fish struck, because
I told him, I said, I don't want the cases
and I'll go ahead and fish.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Budd It's all right, you can fish. I was all right, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Fish hit.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
It splashed me and the guy eighteen foot behind me
in the back of the boat.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
It hits so hard.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
I had a fish hit that hard.
Speaker 8 (45:38):
Ever, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
My granddaddy would call that, said, it's like dropping a
keg and nails in the water.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
That's exactly what it was like.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
For those of our listeners who might be going to
Lake o'coney for the fourth of July weekend, Yes, what
would you recommend that they fish with?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
I don't think there's very many of them.
Speaker 8 (45:58):
I fished up there before j D.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
And I would take a plastic worm, a shaky head
and look for points lake points in about ten to
twelve for the water and just run your jet skin
with there, or you control it behind the boat. Just fish,
you know, real slow while your feet hanging the water.
You have to have no but I'll show you what
one is ill my phone. So a shaky head, yes,
(46:21):
a shaky head about it? Sixteen twelve eighteen foot of water?
Speaker 4 (46:26):
It is a is you know what a salt water
jig head for salt water. Okay, imagine the lead part
of the jig head with a loop on there to
a hook. You've got this, the hook and the worm
that floats around, legs around freely, but it articulates. But
you've got a your your line is tied to a
(46:47):
to a lead jig head to get it down to
the bottom.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
And because there's a lot of spotty bass on there, so.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
We're gonna want.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
There's a lot of spotted bass up spotted bas all right, yep,
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
Yeah they are good. They sure are.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, they're great. If Paul ever kept one, he can
tell you.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
But we don't say it out loud on the show.
But large mouth bass are very good to eat too,
they are.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I just don't eat them myself, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
He makes a living on them.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
They're gonna fix it this, but next week we're gonna
go in some different types of frogs.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, well we'll catch that on the next show. Obviously
here in just a few minutes. Y'all gonna listen to
it next week, we're gonna do it here in a
few minutes.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
I hope everybody had a safe and happy for it
in July, and everybody's got all ten fingers and no
eyes put out, And know that.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
We're not doing fireworks of the house this year because
I got too many goats and chickens.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Oh your you're your fainting goats. Whether they know what
they're not, what they would they would, There are
And welcome to the Town out Doors Show. I'm Charlie,
I'm g D.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Captain Ball Tyre, I'm Fred.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Special guests, guest star Di somebody call a doctor.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm here executive.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
He's the reason this show exists.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
Yeah, well you are the reason it exists.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, now I'm going on eleven years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember when we originally sat down. I think it
is you came to us and said, hey, you want
to do your own radio show.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I remember that. And what was our response?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Was you remember better than I do?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I think it was something like, yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, what what? Who was going to listen to us?
It was more like, y'all, sure you will? You sure
you want to do this?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Now?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Now what kind of what kind of you is going
to listen to us? With y'all listening?
Speaker 6 (00:59):
We said you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That person.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
It was one of those, really one of those. We'll
do one or two of them and see how Yeah exactly, yeah,
a couple of ye going. Yes, sir, you have a
recording of the first show. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
We think that's all on my Heart Radio. You can
go back on my Heart on our I Heart the
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podcast podcast thing you can go back and listen to
every one of them. They're all there for posterity.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And the thing is it sounds just like now today.
I mean it's like it's like a different no time
has gone by, but we're at four show, four hundred
and seventeen, four hundred and eighteen today, something like that.
And it's a weekly show. That's a lot of weeks.
Here's somebody do to math?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
So on the first show, is it like it is now?
Where we walk in and nobody says it ain't anybody,
You just start talking?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yep, Yeah, pretty much. And it was in Preston Studio yep.
And so we'd walk in there and who produced uffs
originally was.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It David Allen?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
David Allen and then Dallas I think it was, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Ryan, And we walked down with zero agenda, Welcome to
the Talent Outdoor Show and uh yeah, we're gonna uh
whatever we will talk.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Usually started with right before what we're gonna try to
looking at me and what we're gonna talk about today.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'm pretty much it. I don't think we've walked in
here with notes more than six or eight times in
the history of our show where we actually had any
any semblance of an idea of what we might talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
When did you start doing the and we're back.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Pretty much? I had to say something between when we
came back from there, well remember back.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And we got we got a little bit of coaching
along the way from Preston.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, he watched like the first one.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well there was no watching. Then there was a video.
He listened every weekend and he still does.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He listens to this.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yep, sure does. So there's this phenomenon going around in
the criminal world, particularly in the South, and it's a
phenomenon called juggingg Yeah, jugging, and and what it is
I'm not really sure why they call it jugging. Yeh,
you follow it, but yeah, So you go get money
out of an ATM or you get money from the
bank or whatever, and these people follow you, they watch you,
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they're staking out in the place. They say, okay, that
person came out with money, and then they follow you
somewhere and then they rob you and run away and
then Fred defends you later on.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And so the with the money that they stole, probably if.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It wasn't recovered, and if it was recovered, then probably
not getting paid because they they're getting a public defender,
and uh so uh and and and it's referred to
for some reason as jugging. And I said, yeah, well,
if it was on our radio show, Fred would have
something to say because his mind lives in the gutter.
And and I think Presston's response was a very respectful
something along the line of m yeah or something, because
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he's not going I can't drag him in the gutter
with you.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And then you went to talking about hot brass down
the cleavage.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And yeah, I really didn't want to talk about that,
but I told him a story on the break, and
he goes, I'm not going to let you get away
without telling that story. So you you heard how I
talked all around it. Yeah, to get back to it,
And so it wasn't the main topic of conversation.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, it's a thing, it really is.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah. It originated in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I wonder if they call it that because of like
watching the jug float down the river waiting on catfish.
When I first heard him the jug up and down.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, I heard.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
About it back a couple of months ago, and I thought.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
That's the first thing when y'all said that, that's my
first thought. I'm thinking about all, I'm thinking about a
fishing line times.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And the epidemic of people throwing jugs in the lake stuff.
I mean, what's going on? And then I and sure
enough it's a thing. I mean, they'll what they'll do
is there's two of them and they have in cars.
They follow the guy that's gone to go pay his
workers in cash or whatever he's doing. He's withdrawing money
out of the ATM or the bank. They box him
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in at the next location and he doesn't he's not
looking around and beat him up take his money. So
it's a carjacking, is what it is. But they're calling
it jugging because that's just theiring.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
You're authorized to use lethal force to prevent said carjacking
or violent felon there from occurring. So that's another way
Fred doesn't get to defend that person if they're not
alive to be defended.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, I hadn't been jugged.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Ye, Well, well.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I was sorry for you.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And then and then that all led to talking about
the cleavage accident we've had that We have had that
happen twice in the existence of the gun range we
have had. We had it happen twice where husband and
wife come to the range. Wife wearing low cut shirt,
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which we recommend a collared shirt that's high cut that
you know, covers her from the neck down, and she
was both In both incidents, the wife was shooting the
target and a piece of hot brass came out of
the pistol and went down her shirt, and she goes
to get it out because it's painful as all get out.
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And in two separate occasions, the wife has shot the
husband in the leg almost in the exact same spot
in the leg, which is down just above the knee more.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Than like a bay away from where the other one
was right, and it causes it doesn't feel good. And
so here's the thing is, there's a range rule. We're
supposed to wear clothes, collar shirt when you come out here.
That's the reason there's the range rul, and the rain
rue was in place ahead of that, but we don't
enforce it because I tell you how to dress. So
here's so you come in with your wife and she
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has cleavage, Well, good for you, you married, welly, okay, good
for you. However, there's an inherent risk if she dresses
that way, and you know, and it's a common way
to do that and stay cool in the summer heat
and all that. But uh, but how do I standing
there at the counter. I tell you, how do I
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address the fact that your wife needs to cover all
that up?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I tell you what I have done. When I worked
at the range a lot before we open the store,
and I was down at the range every day, I
had a couple of ladies come in and I just
basically said, I'm going to give you a T shirt.
You need to wear it while you're on the range
because of the way they were dressed. And she said,
why do I need to wear a T shirt? And
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I said, because there are parts that are exposed that
you do not want hot brass landing on and you
need to cover that up or there is a high
risk potential for for you to get burned. And she said, okay,
thank you, and I said thank you too, have a
nice day. And that was I had.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I had one. I had one come in.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Henceforth, all you have to do is say, look, we
have a guy that inspects this sort of earth no,
and they call two four thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And five not now trying to keep it in good taste.
I did. I did have someone come in very similar
It was a couple and it physically fit and all
this and well maintained both of them. And they were
standing there and I'm looking. I'm going there's some very
potential danger here, and I'm not sure, and so I
didn't talk to her. I talked to him and I said,
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let me tell you a story. And I told him
the story of one that had occurred, and he goes, yeah,
And I said, there's a reason i'm telling you this
story is are you taking her shoes? Yeah, I'm gonna
show her some things, I said, which I'm trying to
keep you from going down the path. And based on
her method of dress for today, there is a very
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high likelihood that this could reoccur. I'm trying to save
you here. I wasn't. I'm not I'm not looking. But
you know fairly obvious that you you you might want
to figure well, she's got a jacket in there or
something in the shirt. And I said, okay, you talk
to her about it. I'm not going to talk to
her about it. I don't want to make her un comfortable.
And you're not mad at me for bringing it up,
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are you?
Speaker 7 (09:03):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (09:04):
I said, Okay, you need to tell that story.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You want to be I want to know why they
got shot in the leg. I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's a it's a dancing around gun in one hand,
finger on the trigger, and and it's we tend to
clinch our fists when pain happens, So it's a it
is a completely forgotten that they had completely forgotten about
the gun in their hands, and they were fully concentrating
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on the hot brass in a sensitive area.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Well, and in one case it was slinging. It was
trying to drop the gun with the finger and the
momentum of the gun spinning and pushing the trigger, and
it was entirely it was reflexive, and it hadn't Yeah,
it was normally.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
And and the thing is they were.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I'm abruptly into we got right out of time.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Talking about as well, I didn't have a timer in
front of me and I had a timer behind me,
and I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Still but anyway, so back to what we were talking about.
We've had, like I said, those two incidents of of
hot brass and the cleavage, and we had we've had
a couple of incidents at the range since we've been
in business, all stemming from one particular brand of of making,
model of holster, not one we make, which is I
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don't know, Charlie, do I say?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Okay? So different brands of holsters have different concerns, and
most of your safari Land products their retention system is
off of the thumb around the any of the locking
mechanisms for Safirland activated with the thumb right or deactivated
with the thumb. There is a holster style and it
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is very very much in wide use. It's from black Hall.
It's a Surpa holster and it's got a trigger finger release, okay,
which the retention device inside the holster works fine. It's
a good retention holster. However, you are you are manipulating
that with your trigger finger, not your thumb. Well, your
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trigger finger also manipulates that little thing called the trigger,
and the combination of those two without proper training, can
I won't say it's inherently dangerous, but I will say
that it can without proper training, if you're not paying attention,
can cause you to put your finger somewhere it doesn't
belong at an inopportune time.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And in every circumstance. Having talked to the person that
had shot themselves in the foot or the leg with
with that Surfa holster. What happens is they start trying
to work under time constraints. They're using a shot timer
where they're trying to draw and fire as quickly as
humanly possible, and they're using that index or the trigger
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finger to press in on a paddle to release the
locking mechanism. And what happens is they've got this all
this pressure on their trigger finger and it slides right
straight up the holster and as soon as their finger
because every one of these has been shot in the
same place, which it'll run right down the outside of
the leg or go right in the top of the
foot on their strong side, and it's the pressure of
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that trigger finger coming off of the holster. And you know,
if you put pressure on your finger and do that,
it kind of like snapping your fingers. Okay, So that finger,
that pressure comes off the index finger and goes right
on the trigger and slaps the trigger and goes bang
and got a hold on your foot.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I've seen like with UH and Roger Steel. Well, now
i will say that I've seen situations where people were
reholstering and they had their fingers still on the trigger
and when they go to put it in a holster,
in it and that's and that can be any holster.
It's not one particular brand. That can be any holster.
Everybody else. The shooter's fault there and you're trying to
reholster your finger on the trigger and because you're inexperienced
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and untrained, and as you shove it in the holster,
it pushes your trigger finger forward and it will run
that bullet right down through the through the holster and
into the same places. Now I've seen back when I
went through my first Roger shooting course back in the day,
was at Pat Thomas was at a sweite guy running
nineteen eleven and we were trying to do those time well,
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we were doing those time drills to where you know
in the cheating, Yeah you're and as you're coming out
of the holster, his finger was going to the trigger
and presenting the gun to the target. It was bam, bam, bam.
All walked arounds up to the thing, and of course
Bill was like, yeah, that's not how it's done, and
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everybody else is running blocks and so the glock shooters,
you know, because he kind of designs that for that
type of trigger system not necessarily sweeping the safety off.
So different firearms types can be higher liability than other
firearms types just based on the trigger mechanisms. And then
when you get to doing trigger jobs on stuff and
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you're trying to smooth things out or polishing things is
one thing, but when you start grinding and doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Lowering the pound the weight it takes to dischargegger. That's
why we really don't even we sell a glock makes
a glock factory competition trigger that will doesn't really lower
the weight so much, but it lowers how much the
trigger has to travel to fire the gun. So you're
shortening your trigger travel, you're lowering the weight by maybe
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a pound, so you go from five and a half
pounds to four and a half pounds, So it's not
really the weight a lot of times of the trigger
pool job. But there are some firearms out there that
you can take from a ten pound, eleven or twelve
pound trigger maybe on some revolvers, and if you with
the right set of spring replaced and with enough polishing
on there, you can take a twelve pound trigger and
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turn it into an eight pound or six pound really
smooth trigger. I highly don't I tell people this at
least once a week. If this is the gun you're
gonna carry for self defense, absolutely do not do a
trigger job on it. And I say this because I
followed the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin case very closely. Zimmerman's
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gun was absolutely not modified. They actually brought in a
person from kel Tech, which is the type of gun
he was using. They brought in a person from kel
Tech that testified that that trigger on his gun was
within factory standards, which was seven to nine pounds. Now
it was at seven pounds. His trigger was the trigger
pull weight was seven pounds. They leave the factory from
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kel Tech somewhere between seven and nine pounds. They're all
a little bit different. His had just been shot a
lot and that showed wear on it, but it was
still within factor respects. And everybody goes, well, so, what
what's the big deal? Well, they talked about it for
a full day in court morning and afternoon. They had
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it went through a full How much does do you
charge for a full day at trial?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Fred, it's on that trial.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, let's just say on a murder case, how would
how much would you charge? Just in general? What a
law of your charge for a day in court on
a murder case, it doesn't have to be you fifteen
one thousand dollars. So they spent The defense spent ten
to fifteen thousand dollars that day, not counting the expert
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witness that they brought in from Celtic that they probably
had to pay.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
To be there. Oh no, he was one thousand bucks
an hour.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I mean right, So they had this guy on the stand,
they discussed it. They were trying. Yeah, so they're trying
to uh talk. Yeah, so I'm way under charging for
my expert expert testimony if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But anyway, deposition bi hour, I'm like, so how old.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Car like this? Yeah, but but my point is if
you got to figure if that if now let's take
into us. So they're trying to prove that George Ammermann
willfully murdered uh Trayvon Martin with with premeditation, right, that
was what they were trying to prove in this case.
So imagine if he had had a trigger job done.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But it's not only that they they would have had
a better argument for a lesser included.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
All of the above. You're opening yourself up to a
lot of liability. If you take a factory gun and
you do things to it to make it shoot faster, better,
whatever else you're you're opening yourself up to all of
those questions down the road. Yeah, God forbid you have
to use it in a self defense situation.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like having a car if you put nitrous, you know,
added to the thing to give it an extra thousand
horse power, and then you happen to get in an
accident and.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Doing eighty miles. So think in terms of the same thing,
if if you okay, So, I love laser engraved stuff,
cool stuff at the range. I like seeing really cool
guns and putting fancy stuff on magazines. However, the one
that I'm gonna carry my truck is not gonna have
all that on it. The person the firearm that I'm
gonna have in my waistband has no engraving, and it
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doesn't have you know, smile and wait for the flash
on the end of the barrel. It doesn't have kill
them all that God sort them out engraved on the magazine.
Because when I go to court, if I go to
court criminally or civilly, I don't want to be showing
that yes, in my range bag. And maybe you got
pictures of me on Facebook doing something like that, which
you want, but that you know, that's all fun and games.
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But the stuff that I that's in then the court
that day, that's on the table as evidence is gonna
be playing and I'm not gonna have to I'm not
gonna have to explain that.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Right, And that's just what there's been. There was a
I think it was a law enforcement case out with
somewhere that the guy had a shot a guy with
an AR. The cop shot a bad guy with an
AR fifteen and had your uh, you're your your you're
eft on the dust cover when he charges. When when
you charge an AR fifteen, you got that dust cover
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that flies open. We had that printed lasered on his
dust cover.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So that didn't go everywhere.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
It doesn't go over well in court it.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Because it doesn't go well for me. I mean I
have a field day.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
With that, right, So you get my point. It's just
we we and I get wanting to have cool stuff.
You know, I've got an AR fifteen that i'd hunt
with sometime that has when you open the dust cover,
it says let it rain. It happens to be a
black rain ordinance. And that's their slogan. And that's just
something they engraved on the I didn't put it on there.
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It so it says when you charge it up, it
flops open. It says, let it rain. Okay, Well I
can say for a fact though, that that came from
the manufacturer. Just like that. It's just there, it's their
company slogan.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Here, we'll engrave stuff for you. I just don't.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm going to time.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
You just need to be careful what it says. I mean,
and we do verses and we do all yeah, I mean,
I got I mean if if my wife ran an
AR fifty, she would her What did we put on
her truck was the you'll love this red the Lilo stitch,
the little stitch dude, the little little critter. She wanted
that cut out from the vinyl cutter for a back
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window of her truck. She calls it stitch. And so
she doesn't have the pajamas like you do. Fred. Yeah,
the story. But but you know the thing is is
you we'll do cute stuff, we'll do all that stuff,
but when you get into the the serious business, the
serious stuff, then just be just I'm saying is be smart.
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We have an attorney in the room, we've got gun
people in the room, and we're telling you to be
smart when it comes to that because it's hard to
it's hard to explain that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Ye say a couple of things. One I didn't say
as the last show, and my kid called me out
about it. It was Father's Day weekend. My middle child
gives me this nice wrapped up kip and I opened
it up and it's a pair of freaking Lilo and
Stitch pajamas.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, now you're required to wear those to Walmart?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Now I gotta go analyze of Tesla and go to Walmart.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
What are you dressed up as a day conselor a
Walmart shopper?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Freaking Yeah? I actually warm around for a little while,
just make every by man. But speaking of the things
that engrave, So this is the same son, this is
last year I was up on a dove hunt. Kid
comes over and says, hey, says, that guy says he's
got your name tattooed on his butt, And I'm like,
what takes me over there?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
God drops his pants. Sure enough, he says your name
on his butt.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
So he's shown that off at the bar before you
know he has he's won money off the boy's one
drinks off of that one tons.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We'll be right the rest of that story on the break. Well, anyway,
I'm still all right, so here here. So if you're
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wondering why Charlie can't put two sentences together at the
beginning or the end of these segments, because I am
producing the show right now, I don't know. And our
executive producer Grant's still out with the childbirth, and you know,
every all our prayers going out to him. Everything's good
and he's taking a little time off from the show,
and we are. Everything's on my land. We're doing two
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shows today. That is ten segments, guys, ten segments. I
got it, ed it. I will be here at midnight
because I am. I'm lost.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I know you won't, but I will turn the alarm
off when you leave and forget to do that because I'm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I got a new phone last week because my dad,
and nothing works on my phone. I spent three days
trying to get email to work on my phone.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Is it working?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It does now, but not the way it used to.
So there's Microsoft Outlook, and then there's Google workspace. You
got two different ways basically, And so I got the
new phone. It was dead, and instead of doing an
insurance claim, I just got a new phone. There's a Galaxy.
It's twenty five Ultra blah blah blah blah blah. Didn't
have to put you know whatever, the trade to od
(23:24):
one in that didn't work and they gave me. So
I get home and I'm like, I got to install this.
I got to install that. I can't. I can't turn
the alarm on it the store remotely because I don't
have that app and I don't have this app and
the other app. And I'm like, oh my, I can't
even I want to check the news that's not in there,
on and on and on, and I'm like, well, let
me put my email in there, because I live off
of this phone. And I went through. We get our
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email domainster go daddy because it used to be.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Cool good daddy, Good.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Daddy, and so so there was there was and so
I called them and they're going, oh, well, you got
to talk to our support specialists, and I'm like, all right. Finally,
when I couldn't do it over the weekend on Monday,
I got him support that you can talk to the
support specialist. Well, the support specialist who called me back
the next day had an accent.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
That drives me and ship from around.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Here now now and he wants to and this is
from GoDaddy. He goes, Oh, we'll need to and I'm
not going to do the accent. We'll need to remote
into your personal computer and then and then very much
like that, and then we will get into your phone
and then now now, and he goes, but I need
to be clear with you. It's going to take a
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long time. And we charged two hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
See if you've got an iphoe.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, whatever, And so I'm like, well, well, the problem
was the phone was completely dead. Normally you just set
them next to each other and they talked to each
other and everything comes over, but not when the phone
won't come on.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, you got some dude in Bangladesh.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh no, I didn't do that. I told him where
he could go, I said, I said, I said, politely, sir,
you can take that and stick it somewhere. And I
did tell them, I said, I'm not doing that. I
used to be a fraud detective. I'm still on long
for I don't know and he goes, well, we're I know,
you know doing it. It ain't happening. Ever, I will,
I will change those name names, I will get different websites.
(25:18):
I will spend a lot more money to keep from
paying you two hundred dollars an hour and giving you
access to my computer, because it's not the money, it's
the principle of the thing. And at the end of
the day, I got online and I started googling stuff,
and I tried like forty different things. I mean, I'm
doing everything everybody online says. And I finally ended up
going with and I found that I'm not the only
person has this problem. There's a bunch of folks out
(25:38):
there having the exact same issue. Way back at the
beginning of the year. I'm just late to the game
and when you show up, you know anyway, it's just so.
I found out that if anybody out there had the issue,
because Verizon couldn't help, Go Daddy couldn't help. Microsoft won't
talk to you. They just send you a bunch of emails.
Google will not talk to you. There's not a person
(26:01):
that you can talk to at Google. And ultimately I
found that Microsoft Exchange. I went through the back door,
and I got Microsoft Exchange, and so now I see
my Microsoft email on Gmail, on Google. So I say
all that, say this as you send me an email
I don't even know who comes from. I'm struggling, right, struggling.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
You're gonna start going through your photos. You're gonna find
your head transposed on a chicken and a coat.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well you know that, A I can do that. A
A I can do that right now. I mean a
I can do really cool stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
With you made the dude from Bangladesh? Mad is what happens?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Where it happened. You're gonna have Charlie.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It'll be like that scene in that movie Hunger Game
is where they had a whole have Charlie's face on
pit Bull were out there Friday.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's okay. That don't bother me. Not being able to
check my email that bothers me. And all right, well
we'll go Rinchies. We'll be back in just a minute.
(27:10):
And we're back.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Fred.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
We're talking about that stuff now, I was talking about Jesus.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm just kidd and I'm kid and I'm kidd you.
Now you're trying to think of the name of an
animated movie.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It was the Christmas Carol.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's not a Christmas Carol Charles Dickens, I understand, but
this was featured Charles Dickens as a animated character and
you and he goes back and walks along.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Rejoined the show. Fred is still straining his brain trying
to come up with the name of something he can't
think of. Go ahead on me.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
He takes his child, and the child goes back and
they walk along with Christ as he goes through his journey.
And it was, you know, a heart way. I wanted
to take my grandchildren and say, look, you know, this
is what we're celebrating this year, not Santa Claus. And uh,
you know, put a little religion into him.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Rudolph the Rednues Reindeer.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, he went in the Bible. And now I can't
remember the name.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Of the major the major scene. Now he could have
been there, you don't know, Maybe there was a rain
there in there.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I'm afraid if I google it it might pull up
something else.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
But yeah, you gotta we don't want to see anything
with your search history on it, your.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Name, your name.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
So I got a beef.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
H there's this trend nowadays among these gen z millennial
blue haired.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Can we can we talk about this on here?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah you can.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
They don't fish, They're they're using words that don't exist,
and they're they're making contraction of work. Yeah, that that's
one of them. But the one that offends me more
than anything is this word t r y n A try.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm trying to TRYA is not a word.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You sound stupid if you're using the word trying to
in an email or a text, trying to I'm trying to.
I'm trying to get me something, you know, Just stop it.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, well listen saying it and writing it, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You shouldn't even say it writing.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It if you were using slang talking, I mean, every
generation has it slang, But when you were writing and
communicating in writing, yeah, I mean, come on, yeah, I'm
trying to find.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
The problem is the kids that the people that are
using those words now are the ones that were at
home during middle school and during COVID. It's the just
graduated from high school age and are a little bit
older maybe that have had this onn very We've talked
about it on the show before. They've got their very
own language, with the very own set of words.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
That don't and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, it's just just be patient, it'll go away.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
That it's I'm just worry.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I mean, my grandkids come and you know, hey, Pop,
I'm trying to find some No, you're not my house.
I'm trying to get I belt out, put it across
your talk.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't really have an issue with the word. I mean,
you know, because being from the country, I use a
lot of abbreviated.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Abbreviated, that's okay, But trying to fixing something you're fixing sensuous.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Sensuous since she was up getting me a beer at
the fridge mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But you don't write it that way, no.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Text you.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I try.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I try to. I try to draw the line in
official communication and personal communication with words like y'all. Okay, now,
y'all is perfectly acceptable. But I don't write it in
an email when I'm conversing with a potential client. I
writing in an email when I'm talking to my family
or my friends, Hey, when y'all going to be there,
(30:53):
you know what are y'all thinking about doing? But when
I'm emailing someone and presenting a security proposal for services
or at the FUTER class, I don't go. Well, when
I get there, y'all tell me what No, I'm like,
you know, can you collectively come up with a solution
for you know.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I say y'all. I say y'all on purpose sometimes so
they know where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm talking about I'm getting emails from gen Z lawyers using.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh no, totally inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
I'm like, would you go to Zoom law school or
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Probably well.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
So one of the reasons we're doing two shows today
at the same back to back is because next week,
not this, not today, but next Alreday, I'm gonna be
in New York City. New York City me is gonna
be in New York City with my family. Now, I'm
gonna say y'all every opportunity I get.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
They're gonna look at you like you got three heads.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And that's just exactly the way I want to leave
that Feller alone over there now.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Now, when I when I was in New York City
for a better part of about eight or nine months,
I had I worked when I was twenty two. I
think it was right before I came to work at FSU.
I had twenty one twenty two, went up there working
for the phone company, a subcontractor doing phone working in
one of the buildings for New York Telephone Company. And
(32:17):
there's a third party contractor. We were not part of
union shop got ran off all kinds of stuff, and
we took some reading. Yeah, runt off, and we got up.
We got up there, and we were they snuck us
in the building. We were doing this work. And and man,
you talking about because you've got so many accents up there,
(32:38):
and but but lord, and you got the Bronx, and
you got the Queens, and you've got Manhattan folks, and
you got the Jersey Heights and all that stuff running
around there. And everybody talks different, especially there's Bronx folks.
And there was a guy from the Bronx that just
loved to pick on me. And then you bring us,
you know, North Florida, South Alabama rednecks up in the mix.
And and you know, of course, you know everybody, all
(32:59):
the women. The It was cute when I was aware
in the sandwich or something, you know, Can I get one?
Can I get one of them sandwiches? You know? And
it's just I was young, and I hadn't learned to
clean up my my enunciation yet And it was funny.
I did get in a fight. They're in the and
and the I think it was the tenth floor the
New York Tail building up on seventy second Street and
(33:21):
one of the avenues there, and yeah, we got a
little shoving match up there over I had enough of
his I had enough. No, but we we we became
friends after that. I still don't know half of what
he was saying. But every morning I come in here
go hey, y'all do it, And I'm like, y'all was
about to kick you? Never mind? Finally one day on you.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just like it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah. My grandfather, my papa Toni's from New Jersey and
was born in upstate nowhere.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
One of the ain't none of them in my woodpile?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Well, I mean north as we went was like Virginia,
North Carolina maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Well, the other part of my family goes back to
the late sixteen hundreds. I mean, I mean it was
way back when when you you had to agree to
work for a while to get over here on the boat.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I don't necessarily know they agreed. It's one of them.
You're gonna you're gonna get on the boat.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, we got a job for you.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, I mean my apparently my ancestors and Jady's got
a similar background as my ancestor I have. I have
Stricklands are in Parliament. I mean we were lords and
ladies back in the day and there's a castle this
this Strickland or this decissor decissor something like that. Anyway,
it was the Strickland and before it was disturbed Strickland,
it was the stircland it was devoused when they came
(34:46):
out of Normandy France to come over and fight back
in the day. I got my family leneas on the
Strickland side goes I've got that trace back to like
nine eighty and you know, it goes way back there.
We were standard bearers to one of the French uh
whatever was in Normandy back in the day, and so
it was it was part of that was it was
(35:07):
part of England, you know, it was all like one
country back then, and there was other parts of France.
I guess I don't get into the history too much.
All I know is that apparently if you were the
eldest son, you became somebody. And if some of my
ancestors weren't the eldest son, and they ended up on
a boat, so you know, came over here, get him
a job. I got to get on up out of here.
(35:27):
I'm gonna go on and uh yeah, it's ended up
in the North Carolina area after Virginia and big tobacco
farmers and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's uh Scottish, which I guess explains my fondness for
many skirts.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
In Scotch your find us for wearing many skirts.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
So it is, yeah, well wearing looking at him, buy
them shop and.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
For man, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I don't even know what to do with that, Charlie,
you know, I mean, just like could picture Fred and
the kilt, they just you know, they'd be hanging in one.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'm gonna be done and kill you.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
See Fred and the kilt, but you know, be hanging
around his ankle. So I think that's a skirt at
that point and address adress.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You have to figure out what what the high heel thing?
Why why I like that on them?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It's because it gets makes you taller, guess that's what
it is.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Makes you as tall as your wife. That's a beautiful
thing when you can walk around the high heels in
the house and be as tall as your wife.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Anybody listening to this, well, well we know why Fred
doesn't see eye eye with most people.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
This guy looks like they have to squat down.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Hey, let me chine in real quick and tell the
listeners that these shows that start out like this, I
just want you to.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Know that Fred Fred took us down a whole different
rabbit hole when he started coming on the show. Every
day rabbitvity, it's down a hole. What you wonder is
the tear of mine?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Longer story we got time. It's a driving anchor.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I'm sort of going and show hello if you that Butler. Fred,
you said you had a history professor.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I had a history professor at the Sistens.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Okay, and this was in I graduated in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
See, he would have been eighty point eighties.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
He was already holds he's in and his he was
the grandson of President and he's John.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Tyler and Tyler too. Yes, that's word all right. So
with a long, long, long time ago that he was grand.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
He was President Tyler's grandson.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So apparently President Tyler had a son when he.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Was seventy seventy five, years old.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Okay, that son had a son when he was seventy
seventy five years old, and that.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
That son it was that was my professor.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
And Charlie's and he recently died.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And I said, he probably was having trouble changing his
kids diaper in his seventies. And I said, it's a
shame when you have to change your kids diaper. And
at the same time this became a little bit and
it was funny on the break it was.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
It was funny right then he.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Did have a fun all the kids as.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
We know where you get it from.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
So going back to Paul, where's your family from?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Americans? Go there?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
You got that's all you know.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Well, everybody came from somewhere. So if you go back
and like I said, I'm tracing my my.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
Father's leanings back to nine eighty uh with the help
of all that stuff online and genealogy and so, but
even they came from somewhere before that, before that and
all the way back before then.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I run my DNA and there's all kinds of mess
ups up in there. I just but my wife, on
the other hand, I think she's like the lightest person
you're ever going to be, I mean her DNA, and
I had not mention her question, is.
Speaker 9 (39:12):
She you talk about her skin and your ancestors are
up there in Ireland somewhere where they used to rank
yourself up lou and all that stuff and fighting tribal wars,
and that's that's all the people where she came.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
So I did this, you know, I did this very
in depth DNA study. So we passed ancestry DNA or
twenty three and meter or whatever where they tell you
you're sixty percent Scottish and whatever it is, and where
there's one out there called gen on Knowing which researches
ancestry deep ancestral DNA. And I'm from all over the world.
(39:50):
I didn't like fourteen percent Hiberian Peninsula attack, so they
kind of want those two together, which is Fain Portugal
in Italy. So and then there's some in the Middle East.
I've got some from the Middle East from Iran and
a bunch of the Russian and then for whatever reason,
some Trimedians from India, uh Southern India. So I mean,
(40:15):
it's just neat to see how all over the world
enforce gets a hold. Okay, that's fine. They can have it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Like I said, if they can do every whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
That's that's why his and all kinds of family found
out the wood.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, I found a whole bunch of family because it
is adopted Elizabeth Ward. I do have like one one
point three percent Native American.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That American found all kinds of hopes that his brother,
all my brothers all your brother ancestor.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Five brothers and two sisters growing up the only child.
That's kind of been a.
Speaker 7 (40:55):
Shock one.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
You found many five.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I have five half brothers and two half sisters, and
I grew up an only child.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
That was an actum number one.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
There's one.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Wow, who I think actually takes act after your biological father?
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (41:14):
Maybe so, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
I don't know. I was over kids. Yes, okay, we
moved up here. We moved up here twenty two years ago.
We didn't know anybody.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I brought Wendy and my daughter Heather up here and
moved up here and moved in mont Sola with love,
fell in love with the area. Had bought Landville House
on and my daughter.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Gets on that ancestry on the website.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
My great grandparents lived and worked on a plantation in
mont and soul Wida. I had no idea.
Speaker 9 (41:46):
Well.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
I found out that my biological grandfather worked and died
at Florida Hospital in Chattahoochee, and my mom and daddy
that raised me in Chattooge where I grew up in Chattahoochee,
went to high school with my basically my biological father's
first cousins.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
They knew they all.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
She knew the.
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Whole my father biological father side.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Of the family from growing up.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
It's just a small world. Who was that little kid
running around on the streets out there and chattaho somebody
around here, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (42:24):
He flavors everybody in town.
Speaker 8 (42:27):
We're gonna.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Before we run.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
We got left. I've got something I brought about.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I brought the frogs.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
I can show it, yes, because they have been big old.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
For you to put all this one.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
Last time we were here.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I know Bobby Williams, he was asking about what this
particular bay is.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I'm gonna try to explain this.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Charlie keeps telling me that they can't see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Help me, chading.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
This is a Lunker Hut, that's the brand, that's the
name of it, and it's got these little feet that's spent,
and I've been pulling these off and then adding some.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
These are bait keepers, base keepers. It's actually an honors.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
These are not real frogs for those These are lures
the feet off of real frogs. And if it was,
we'd be eating them.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Either hollow plastic hollow plastic frogs that float on the
top water lures that float on top of the float
on top of the lily pads or the water.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's right camera right there is capturing it. Somebody wants
on YouTube there's one.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
And what I do is just screwed. I put two
of these pins together. Yep, I'll put my hand up things.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
See it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
You call that one, Lieutenant Dan, he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Get some new legs, that's right. And then I screw this,
threw it in there and then take me off any kind.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
Of trailer that's got a any kind of jig, any
kind of jig trailer.
Speaker 5 (44:00):
And screw it on there. And man, this thing has
been catching some biggins. And that's how I say about that.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
See what's gonna happen now, these Bake Countanies are going
to see your adaptation of said thing. And now not
only do they sell the initial bait, they also sell
replacement jigtails. And you gave your secret away and me
and you could have got rid of these.
Speaker 8 (44:20):
Actually come. I had a customer.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Copyright twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Yeah, I had a customer fish in last week and
he was fighting fishing a big one by this five
six pounder, and it jumped and I saw I thought
a bake fish jumped out of it, you know, slung
out of its mouth. It was actually the feet that
just pop off.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Okay, So it's that that's we'll have to come up
with a better cheese. We'll come up with a better
device there, Baulk. We can re engineer this.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
And that's what that's what I did with this. But
it's it has been producing some really big bass.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
You said that when you showed me a picture of
before we started a show, was nine pounds.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Nine pounds eight ounces, and that when that fish hit
it hit about from well a little bit for them here, Charlie.
But when it struck. Now, anybody that's bass fish knows
that a top water bike when they go up and
is almost I've never tried crack, but I hear it's
very addictive. It's it's addictive. You can get off over
(45:15):
a couple of days. Well, you know, I mean, it's
it's amazing. I mean, and it's that I was actually
had a guide with me when that fish struck, because
I told him, I said, I don't want the cases
and I'll go ahead and fish.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Budd It's all right, you can fish. I was all right, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Fish hit.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
It splashed me and the guy eighteen foot behind me
in the back of the boat.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
It hits so hard.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
I had a fish hit that hard.
Speaker 8 (45:38):
Ever, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
My granddaddy would call that, said, it's like dropping a
keg and nails in the water.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
That's exactly what it was like.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
For those of our listeners who might be going to
Lake o'coney for the fourth of July weekend, Yes, what
would you recommend that they fish with?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
I don't think there's very many of them.
Speaker 8 (45:58):
I fished up there before j D.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
And I would take a plastic worm, a shaky head
and look for points lake points in about ten to
twelve for the water and just run your jet skin
with there, or you control it behind the boat. Just fish,
you know, real slow while your feet hanging the water.
You have to have no but I'll show you what
one is ill my phone. So a shaky head, yes,
(46:21):
a shaky head about it? Sixteen twelve eighteen foot of water?
Speaker 4 (46:26):
It is a is you know what a salt water
jig head for salt water. Okay, imagine the lead part
of the jig head with a loop on there to
a hook. You've got this, the hook and the worm
that floats around, legs around freely, but it articulates. But
you've got a your your line is tied to a
(46:47):
to a lead jig head to get it down to
the bottom.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
And because there's a lot of spotty bass on there, so.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
We're gonna want.
Speaker 5 (46:54):
There's a lot of spotted bass up spotted bas all right, yep,
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (47:00):
Yeah they are good. They sure are.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, they're great. If Paul ever kept one, he can
tell you.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
But we don't say it out loud on the show.
But large mouth bass are very good to eat too,
they are.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I just don't eat them myself, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
He makes a living on them.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
They're gonna fix it this, but next week we're gonna
go in some different types of frogs.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, well we'll catch that on the next show. Obviously
here in just a few minutes. Y'all gonna listen to
it next week, we're gonna do it here in a
few minutes.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
I hope everybody had a safe and happy for it
in July, and everybody's got all ten fingers and no
eyes put out, And know that.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
We're not doing fireworks of the house this year because
I got too many goats and chickens.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Oh your you're your fainting goats. Whether they know what
they're not, what they would they would, There are
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