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August 16, 2025 51 mins
The Talon Outdoors Show welcomes a returning voice to the roundtable — Dale Bessy — who jumps right in alongside Charlie Strickland, J.D. Johnson, Paul Tyre, and producer Grant Allen.

The gang kicks things off with warm introductions and a little good-natured ribbing before diving headfirst into hunting season excitement and the latest in gear talk. Dale brings fresh stories and lessons learned from the woods, while the others swap hunting memories and a few “don’t-try-this-at-home” moments from their past adventures. Along the way, range safety takes center stage and might make you double-check your own habits.

Thanks, as always, to Captain Paul Tyre for joining the show. If you’re interested in going fishing with Paul, visit his Facebook page

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And welcome to the Town Outdoor Show. I'm Charlie jd.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Captain Paul Tart, and I'm Dere and I'm granted.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
There you go. We got we're missing Fred. We're not
actually missing Free. I kind of misspred a little bit,
but Fred's not here today.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I miss Fred. Fred's so such a good target, such
an easy target.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Running well, I had some I had a gift. I
was going to give him the day and he's not here.
So he just missed out. Now we'll find out if
he listens to the show, because then he'll asked me
next week, Hey, what was it? And the key on
what was it? Not what is it? Because I may
change my mind between now and then. Anyhow, So what's

(00:47):
going on in the world today? Yesterday when we recorded this.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Peyton's meeting with Trump, Well, we'll find out, hopefully by
the day it come out of that.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Before we we hadn't happened yet. We're recording the show
on Friday. So Pooting and Trump met.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Got fellers throwing sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
At the Yeah that there was they was telling a
little bit about a minute ago.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
And I'm like, well, the heck they gonna lock him up?
Put him away with old Jared.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
There's a subway sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I threw that.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah, it was a twelve it was a twelve inch
of all of all things.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You've got to be careful waves. That's that's that's.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
He threw at his primis he threw it up the
officer and hit the officer, and then they want to
run him down.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I know what.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
They were running him down. He looked like he was
having leg cramps.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
He probably was, and they say they're charging him with
a felony. So yeah, it was so police on sandwich,
which probably wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
If you reach over and touch a police officer on
the arm without his permission, that's batteries. Fellow. You keep
in mind, I am a worn deputy sheriff.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
What you going to do?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, you haven't understand you can touch me anytime.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Ain't gonna like it, Just not anywhere. You probably ain't
gonna like it.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Man, I know how to make keep them uncomfortable a
few weeks since I'm in there now.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is that just for law enforcements that anybody exact if
a person.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Law enforcement so touch me anywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Paul is an enhanced penalty because their law enforcement is firefighters, ems,
law enforcement. It's an enhancement. So if you threw us
If I threw a sandwich at you and hit you
with the sandwich, that is simple battery, which is a
misdemeanor which has to occur in the presence of a
law enforcement officer to be immediately arrested for it. Otherwise

(02:54):
you would have to go to the state attorney and
file charges and report and they would investigate and they
would laugh at it, and you're not injured, and all
this stuff probably wouldn't go anywhere. It's an enhancement because
of the status of the person that you threw the
sandwich at, which there are some protected more serious stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
It includes a lot of people now they even they
expanded that at some point in time to include security office.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Security doctor's, lawyers, Indian chiefs, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Lawyers. It doesn't haunt if you're a lawyer. But yeah,
well if you do an Indian chief, that's a hate.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Crime enhancement, you go.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
So they do that a lot of time, respectful with law,
and a lot of crimes have those enhancements. They will
tell you there's certain elderly people, children, things like that.
I mean, they may be their own statute, or that
may be an enhancement penalty for a statute that already exists.
And here's the thing is, this is why we have lawyers.
It's because people don't know. You don't most people don't

(03:51):
understand what the law really says, whether you're in Alabama, Georgia, Florida,
particularly in places like Alabama, and it's really hard to
research it's what the laws are. When when I was
trying to look up Alabama law one time, it's hard
to find the laws. You find these old PDFs that
are old and there's in Florida. Florida is the Sunshine
State and we have a sunshine law. If you want

(04:14):
to know what a law says in Florida, you can
just click on the little microphone on your Google thing
goes what is the law pertaining to blah blah blah,
and it'll come up with some MAI response. But then
it'll also have links to Florida's statis statutes and you
can go back and you can look at the Senate
bill and the House companion House bill and when it
was passed and what it says and good luck some.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Time digitized lot. Yeah, the understanding it is the hard part.
There's some Florida law that regular people write that you
can actually read and understand. And then there's some Florida
law that some lawyer wrote that is written in legal leese,
and you have to have an interpreter to tell you
what that statute says. And then there's a case and

(04:58):
then yeah, and then you've got case law that the
first time somebody got charged with said law, you've got
a judge somewhere that said, well, that ain't really what
that statute meant. That's not the spirit of the statute.
So they'll decide differently, and case law will going forward
will then be applied to the interpretation of that law.

(05:18):
And you know, just let's talk about the firearms thing.
So traveling in your car with a firearm without a permit,
it has to be securely in case not ready for
immediate use. That's the end of it. But they go
thin definitions and say, okay, what does securely encased mean?
It means in a in a gun box, in a gun,
zippered gun rug and snapped in a holster, not snapped

(05:41):
in a holster, closed up in a glove box, closed
glovebox container with a lid, whatever else. But there's case
law that makes it okay to put it in a
Crown royal bag or a paper bag. I lost the
case one time because a guy had a gun rolled
up in a grocery bag, a paper bag. It was

(06:03):
sitting on two pounds of weed. He went to jail
for the weed, but I lost the gun charge because
I did not as a as a lay person, I
didn't think that a grocery bag would count as securely encased.
I said in my argument was well, if you can
stick your finger through the piece of paper and pull
the trigger, the gun's not disabled whatsoever. It is ready

(06:24):
is for immediate use. You can shoot a gun through
a paper bag. And it got tossed, but that's okay.
He still got the two pounds of weed to deal with.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
But there again a lot of times it gets tossed
because state attorney doesn't want to take it to trial
and make the argument.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Or doesn't want to establish bad case law dependent only
if they may know the judges Lean's liberal, or Leans conservative,
they don't want bad case law out of it, so
they just take it out.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, they or they would take a plea and go.
If you'll plead to this, we'll drop that, and then
you just turn around and make that same rest again
down the road. And you know it's it's it's so.
Some of it's biting, some of it's not. And the
thing is, it's a statue are written where if you're
in Florida and you drive to tom you're in Tallahassee,
you drive to Thomasville, Okay, change the laws are different now,

(07:08):
and then you drive over and so I'm gonna run
over to Dothan and pick up something at the at
the Borough of Bosst or the Real King. That's exactly
where I was thinking. I couldn't think of the name,
thank you, because I select the funnest place in town
to go.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I read, yeah, I love it there.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And then so and then you've got to go to
get a tractors flack. You can't find it in real
King be cause's you dad gonna be big? And then
and come back. You just went through three different states
jurisdictions with about six different local jurisdictions with county ordinances
and city ordinances and state statutes, and then there's federal
law and different you're carrying a gun differently. Now pretty

(07:44):
much you can do the same thing in those three
states with firearms in your vehicles, it's much more permissive.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
And in Georgia, and that's why you you probably already
need when you researched before you went to New York
a couple weeks ago, you knew exactly what you could do.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, because one of the places he was standing in
front of over there was somebody come out in the
mass shooting a few days later. Yeah, yeah, that's that's uh,
that's out.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I just picked the wrong day, picked.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
The wrong day, day on on it one day. If
he had just done it like a week earlier, man,
that would end it real quick.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, y'all know about the National Guard coming.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Into Washing, That is awesome to me.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, as you hear the left going, weund.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Well, the national Guard is different from the standing army
from the the national Guard in the army are two
very different things, you know that, right. So the most states,
the governor of the state has a lot of control
over what the national Guard does. That it's the state.
The official state militia, if you will, is what the

(08:44):
national Guard is.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
They're part of the army. They can be called up
to active duty in the army and all that, but
they're not technically part of the standing army. The problem
lies in is when you put standing army. When the
president deploys standing army within the orders of our country,
you have to there's a thing called posse comatatis, and
he has to invoke that that language into the deployment

(09:09):
where you have to have a threat to national security
essentially to invoke posse comatatus.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Unless you've established one hundred yard wide army base all
the way down the southern porter like.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Or you can do that. Or you can do that,
and if they own the property, that's just the stroke
of a pen.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I mean in Washington they can do that. They need that,
and they're already making arrest.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
And when you have a police chief that does and
you have a police chief that doesn't know what chain
of command means, you got a problem terrible. I don't
know if you saw that. That was the biggest deal
to me.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
I couldn't believe my eyes.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
I mean really, yeah, yeah, your ears, Yeah, she's I
don't know what that means. What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (09:51):
What?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
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about the Washington DC supplemental efforts by the National Guard
and President's Trump President Trump's efforts and and on the

(11:00):
break we were discussing the fact that you know, he
really can't go in there and change policies or anything
what he is doing, though Paul was to address your
question on the break was he is supplementing the forces
that are there, and the people he's sending in are
actually taking proactive measures to go and even when they're
dealing with juveniles and people that may or may not
be prosecuted to the degree, he's pulling them in. He's

(11:24):
getting them in the system. He's getting the fire arms.
Jad Humpy, what you said.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I said, like the first the first night they were
on the job, I think they got twenty seven. I
think the number I saw was twenty seven illegal fires,
illegally possessed fire.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
And the thing is is that the police chief there
is basically clueless and then goes in doesn't understand the
job good, doesn't understand like the chain of command doesn't understand.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
What they asked her about. The chin of command, the
word said, what is me?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
And so that I mean looks to the mayor. It
looks to the mayyor like what was he talking about?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
And then they tried to clean it up. But the
think the point is is that for whatever reason that
person holds that position, it doesn't take a rocket sciences
to figure it out. And because as a very liberal
democratic the district Columbia is very liberal, very left wing,
very democratic, and so they put a person in a
position that's there because of who they are, not because

(12:20):
of what they've done. And now they have this terrible,
terrible problem in our nation's capital. And there was somebody
going on, well there are there are I saw something
online the other day what they were saying, Well, the
most two of the most dangerous cities in the in
the country. Two of the most dangerous cities in the
country are this city and that city, and they're in

(12:40):
states that are run by the Republicans. Yeah, well the
city is run by Democrats because that's where all the
Democrats are at. And the other top three in that
list of the top five were in democratic states and
one and the fifth one was Washington, d c. Which
is our state capital. And there's absolutely no reason for
the capital of our country, well all the resources we

(13:02):
have to be one of the most cities in the world.
So well, I'm going there with my son for his
his class trip this year. If I if I, if I,
if he'll get care his grades up and he gets
to go, which I have no reason to believe he won't,
that will I'll be going there with him, And I
promise you, Jada, you've been there, and I've been there

(13:23):
a couple of times, once as a kid and once
or twice and as an adult as a cop, and
I could carry I you know some places. Yeah, some places,
and I don't know, I may not. I won't be
able to carry everywhere up there, even now, because you
know it's going on in class trip with a bunch
of kids. But I'm worried about their safety. But at
the same time, there's places I won't be able to
carry into. So why would I. I just have to

(13:45):
depend on law enforcement there and maybe the National Guard
is still be there, and uh, I feel a little
bit better as long as they're carrying a loaded guns.
You know a lot of times they deploy and they.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, they're staying there.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Don't don't have weapons, right, See, that's like unarmsecurity. That's
absolutely that didn't work out. So I remember Hurricane Andrew.
From a Hurricane Andrew, they deployed the National Guard to Miami.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
And that area down there to a Hurricane Andrew or
right after and uh with their weapons with empty magazines.
So the criminal element sees yon soldier carrying a fully
automatic full auto m sixteen machine gun with no AMMO

(14:30):
and they go up there with a real gun that
or with a gun that is loaded and say I'll
take that, thank you. So there was a lot of
machine guns, a lot of full auto military grade full
of rifles that went missing or that got stolen where
the soldiers got robbed because they deployed them with no
AMMO for in their magazines.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
If you want to know where this country can go
in a hurry, you look at the aftermath of some
of these hurricanes Katrina, and it's South and Mississippi and
New Orleans and Louisiana, and you look at the guys
that deployed from our.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Agent over there not just yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
It's it's terrible. I mean they were done local law
enforcements like just shoot them and row them in the ditch,
you know, if they're looting, and our guys are like,
you know, we don't do that where we're from, and
they're going out just that's what we got to do,
is you know, all all the rules are all out
the window because what they're doing, and you know, our
guys are.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
A whole lot of people. A lot of people's rights
got trampled on in New Orleans, so where they were
going into houses and taking guns away from lawful lawful,
lawfully owned firearms by good citizens, got their guns confiscated. Uh,
very unlawfully. Uh you can't, you know That's that's the
beautiful thing about rights in this country is they you

(15:45):
don't give them up their rights there. You don't have
to give them up. Shouldn't have to give them up.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
If you don't think for a minute that people will
take advantage of their authority and the leverage that they have.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Let no disaster go to waste.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh yeah, they're going if you let if you that
element have control, they will come and they will do
everything they can. They're just waiting on a reason to
do it first. Now, on on our side, on on
the on the right side of things, politically, typically we
are trying to enhance people's freedom by giving them the
tools and the the rights and the ability is to

(16:21):
do the things that are the right thing to do
to protect yourself and stand on your own two feet.
We're not generally, I'm not gonna say not always, but
not generally trying to take rights away from you unless
it affects the life of another. I mean, you can
talk about the abortion issue and things like that, and
then the rights defense to that is you're taking the
life of a child. And we'll get on this little
touchy subject too much for the show, but at the

(16:43):
same point, and the left is going, I can do
whatever I want to, and the right's going, yeah, and
until it affects a child. So you know, we consider
life precious and all life is being precious unless it's
four legged and furry and we eat it. But you know,
that's just that's the way. But in a case like
where we have disasters, they want we are the government.

(17:06):
We are here to help. You need to be dependent
on us. You need to lean on us. You don't
need any independence, you don't need these rights, you don't
need these weapons. We're gonna take care of you. Then
they do a terrible job of taking care of you,
you know, so I take care of myself, you know,
with community.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Every time I hear somebody say we're from the government,
we're here to help, I just get those chills run
up down, they get the shivers, you know. One time
we're from the government, we're here to help. And I
just did this, I did this full body shake. It
is She started laughing.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
She said it as a joke.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, she said it as a joke anyway, and I
was like, yeah, we we have a Ronald Reagan. It's
from a Ronald Reagan speech back back in the day,
and he said the scariest words ever spoken in the
English language, or I'm here from from the government, I'm
here to help.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Love watching the old excerpts from Ronald Reagan's speeches and
the jokes that he told. Man, how cool would it
be having a president like that, you know that they
could tell.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Good joke personality he'd have to die again?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Oh my lord, yeah, I mean, you know, Reagan had it.
You know, if you look back in history, there were
some things that that you know, it wasn't perfect assuming.
I mean, and he came out of Hollywood and he
was an actor, but he was Oh my lord, man,
I just I would love to have a president that
could that could just stand up and make people laugh

(18:34):
and had that type of personality and and the.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
But still was terrified our enemies.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Oh yeah, yeah. He was touching tear down with Star Wars.
We're gonna put satellites in orbit and we're gonna fry
all your missiles. Mister Gorbachov tear down this wall, you
know that kind of deal. I mean, all the things
that were.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
And look at look at some of the stuff he did.
There was a meeting in Kyvic h nuclear arms talk
and rakyvic Uh Iceland, and it was like bitter bitter,
bitter cold. And he pulls up to the meeting point
in Iceland where it's you know, twenty below or whatever
it was, and everybody, the Russians were already there and

(19:14):
they walked out to greet him. When he's getting out
of his limousine and they're all wearing these big Russia
these big parkas and stuff. Because it's freezing. He steps
out in his in his business suit you know which
business suits are not made for one and he steps
out in this sharp looking business suit and stands there

(19:35):
and talks to him in this frigid temperature for for
ten minutes as they take pictures and do the greetings
and all. And that. You go back and listen to
the interviews of those guys and watching, you know, the
only other side of the Russians talking about that's a man.
We don't want to messle him. You know that that
dude's bad. You know he was he was funny. It's

(19:58):
funny how little things like that can change somebody's opinion
of somebody, or at least enhance somebody's opinion of somebody,
just little reactions to that.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
That So when you look at you look at Trump.
They all think Trump is crazy. And Trump may be
a little crazy. I think he is a little crazy.
But that's kind of what we need, you know, to
go to.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, I'm not a better time in history for you
got you gotta fight crazy with crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, I mean he dropped and Iran. That put people
on notice.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, he got in. You know, we don't want to
be in these conflicts around the globe, but every now
and then you gotta kind of you gotta got a show,
show that you're willing to do it in order to
prevent it from that peace through you.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
For tea justice at the very start of the Smoke
in the Bandit movie, and the kids are out there
stealing the tires off the car or whatever, and he
walks up there and just kicks the crap out of
one of them, right in the buttons, and that does
an attention, get a that's one of them, attention get us.
So yeah, when you when you off a couple of

(21:00):
bombs or do I have avery many bombs and blew
this place up precision guided at night and all the
stuff that they went to this amazing, amazing thing, and
that there was an attention getter. So I think he
got a lot of people's attention when he did that.
So anyway, it's all good stuff. It's all good stuff.
You know, just got quiet here all of a sudden.

(21:20):
I ain't got nothing else to say that I was trying.
I made my point.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I was trying.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I'm just thinking about that guy with that subway sandwich.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Are you Hungrydale?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
No, I tell you, it's a waste of good sandwich.
But he and I know y'all already said this. But man,
if you work with the Department of Justice and yeah
out there screaming.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
That doesn't scream. If that doesn't scream deep state to you,
you haven't been paying attention. That's what Our government is
full of people that have been put in positions because
of political affiliations, not because they can do the job.
That is the deep state, right there, Minnesota. Yeah, Well,
that's it's it's it's not just me, it's everywhere.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
It is.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
It is political appointees put in positions of influence based
on their political affiliation, not based on their skills, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
And the only way to correct dat is to dude
the exact opposite, and then they're going to be You
don't think for a second they won't kick them all
out of there when they take back over again, because
they would.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
The minute they're identify for.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Sure, they're screaming, you can't be doing it. Well, yeah
you did, and you know what you're going to do
next time. And this is fine for them to do it,
but it's never okay for us until we do it.
And then you know, well, whoever wrapped that sandwich did
a great job because it didn't come unwrapped. We're gonna
come back this again. We'll be back in a minute
more about subway sandwiches.

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And I've been so proud of myself because somebody brought
one of my kids or on my mom's centerm or whatever,
but sends home krispy Kreme. Well I'm addicted. I mean
that's like you can't put Krispy Kreme in and okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well I was gonna say I just saw video today
someone did the scientific experiment on what has fewer calories?
What is healthier for you a six pack of cores
Banquet beer or one crumble cookie. The beer and the
beer better for you had less calories and about the
same amount of protein carbs.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh less beer is actually not bad for you. The
alcohol ain't great for you, but the rest of the
beer is pretty much just does bread.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
So if you ever think about going to get a
crumble cookie, go get it.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Go get a beer.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Go get a beer instead.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I just see again and pulled over, saying, only have
one cookie.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
So they brought home the just glazed doughnuts. Now glazed.
That's got an expensive it's got an expensive and it's
been sitting on there on the counter for about three days.
And you know, you get a few days old, you
stick in the microwave. It still good. But I have
resisted all that for I'm down like forty pounds. I've resisted,

(24:57):
and then Grant comes in here. Would have played of cookies.
That's what I'm here for, out of out of politeness.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I ate one now out of and I'm gonna have
another one for we go.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Been former retired police officers.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Uh huh, not ever, not ever, ever in uniform. If
that's where you're going, dot chrispy Kreme.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Chrispy Kreme dunkin donuts is like cake. I'm not a
big to me, It's like eating a muffin or something.
It's not It's not a.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Doughnut at that. When the hot now sign is krispy Kreme,
that is the most just you know, you can't drive
by that. But never in uniform, since she asked, I
would not eat a donut in uniform, not in the public.
Not in public now see in the squad room if

(25:50):
somebody showed up with a dozen of them and they
brought them back to the squad room at check on,
oh this game all.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Duty.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I will used to off duty after hours at tennis
see in Basin when there was a krispy Kreme there
because they had all the drunks from the bars and
the chocolate. We had a deputy over the taco bell
and had me over there to krispy Kreme, and I'd
go all night long. And here's why we don't do it.
It's because a you garden the donuts and I just
listened to it all night long. And so many people
went to jail because they just kept pushing it and

(26:18):
pushing it and pushing it, and eventually I found a reason. Somebody,
I'm just telling you need to hush. You need to hush.
Next thing, you know, there being you know I didn't
not for that all the other reasons, and but sometime
before it's most both nights, when it was time to go,
all right, I'm out of here. Here's there's money, and
I'd look around, I'd slip in the back seat. I

(26:39):
put it in the back seat of the car so I
would attempt to eat them on the way home. They
would make it to the house. But no, not in
putting it in the public view, because of that thing
about cops and donuts.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
You know why the thing you know why the cops
and donuts is a thing? Do you know? I because
one of the few places when you're working midnight shift
as a police officer, and there's there's very very few
places the waffle house is open, the doughnut shop or
the doughnut Krispy Creme used to be open twenty four hours.
We'd go get a cup of coffee and something to eat.
They're back in the back. When we started a long,

(27:10):
long time ago in the late eighties, there wasn't a
whole lot of places to get anything to eat other
than the convenience store maybe, and you know them hot
dogs roll around on them convenience store things at some
point in time unknown beef jerky.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So you get real, you get real familiar around here
with the waffle house menu. So a double waffle or
you get scattered smother of covered, you know, caped all
that cap. You know, you learn how to Everybody would
go down there, a bunch of copsuse everybody knew they
had their own way of ordering, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Probably give y'all a discount for coming in there.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And I never asked for one. That's the thing. I
hate cops that asked for a discount. The ones that
go up there, we're my disccount, And I want to
slap them in the back of the head. You know,
you just just somebody. You just don't go eat with
them because they'll do that. And it's like, man, that
is not an entitlement. That is a courtesy. And if
they give it to you, they give it to you.
But don't you ever ever ever ask for one. I

(28:07):
generally would go and I don't worry about it. Oh,
I forgot you just don't worry about it. It's okay.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I'd rather I'll come back eat tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, okay, So you want to do that case.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Extra cat, you know, so extra mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
But back in the day waffle house wouldn't that credit cards?
You'd better go down there with cats, honey. Yeah, anyway,
we'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (29:39):
And we're back.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I tell you what, I tell you what.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Over the last couple of weeks, I tell you I've
had the worst luck around the farm with stuff just breaking.
I keep getting flat tire after flat tire. So I
went out there to the load hay and one tractor
had a flat tire. And then I went to load
hay with other track here and I got one hay
roll up on somebody's pickup truck. Look down in front
tire that tractor was flat. So I took the tra
off of the tire off of the one tractor and

(30:02):
took it up there and got it. Had to put
a new tire on it, got it home put it
back on there and sat it down. An hour later,
it's flat again. And luckily the local tireplace I just
called over the weekend left them a very polite message saying,
I'm not happy. You know where it's parked, come fix it.
When I got home money, it was fixed. The other
one is in the back of my truck, and it's

(30:23):
an old nineteen seventy something John Deer front rim that
around the valve stems rusted out. And then while I
would fix it, the tireplace didn't want to like cut
out interview stuff. I would have just fixed it, but
so I had to go online, the Amazon of all places,
and order a dead gun a front rim for a
John Deer tractor. I couldn't find it nowhere else on Amazon.

(30:44):
Wow man. I went to tire store. I needed four
rims to I wanted to put taller tires on my
livestock trailer had fifteen inch wheels and I wanted to
go to a sixteen with that lug pattern. We couldn't
find them. They couldn't find a trailer rim for it.
I went on Amazon, looked it up, got it, had
it in in like four or five days, and it
was thirty forty dollars cheaper there, and it's still well.

(31:09):
I want to shop local, and I do every chance
I get. I always try to shop local. Yeah, but
when I go somewhere locally, I go, yeah, we have
to order that, and this's gonna cost this much. And
then I go online, I find it for less money
and I can get it quicker and shipping is free.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I prefer love it.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I tell you what not to buy on Amazon, gun parks,
gun parts. Yeah, if it's a no name brand Chinese
em gun part, don't buy them and bring them up here.
I had tried to install something for guy the other
day and I was like, that was the worst worst
Chinese um I have ever seen. I finally had to
gout there. So man, I'll put this on here. It
ain't gonna last is This is gonna be like three shots,

(31:49):
you know, three shots and you're done, gonna fall off.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Let us find it for you, because if we do,
we might have to get it off Amazon. But if
we do, at least we know what quality is, you know,
because sometimes the name brand, the name brand companies will
have their stuff on Amazon and we go to a
distributor and they're out of stock, and we can find
it on Amazon and get it for you, but you don't.
If you don't know what you're buying, don't buy it

(32:11):
bring it up here, because then you know, we can't
be responsible for that piece of junk.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Oh. I had a long conversation with the customer about it,
and I was like, hey, man, this is no offense,
but this is complete junk. I'm gonna go ahead and
put it on there for you, or I can leave
your gun like it is. And it was, you know,
but it's not gonna last. I can just tell you
just it's the quality and the way it fits and
all that stuff. It's just it's not gonna be good.
I'll do the best I can with it. But anyway

(32:37):
he understood it was cool.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know, quality does matter, but there are times you
just get like like I ordered entertube to fit that tire.
You know I got it, and you know it'll it'll work.
And if I knew how to put a tire, I
know how if you had to equip you have on
the farm the trip one hundred and thirty and that's.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
The hay of grass that he's allergic to. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a lot of a question. How often do you
have to cut that?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
It's often as possible, so we fertilize it, and it
looks like we're about to get a third cutting. Looks
like we might get four cuttings off.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That this year because all this rain to last to it.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
The rain and putting fertilizer on it. It's good clean.
Have anybody out there listening, and I've got you come
to Mary and get it, but I will deliver for
about thirty forty minutes away for a fee. But uh yeah,
good clean rolled up by head.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
How much you're charging around Bee, I'm getting fifty five
dollars a roll, right man. That's that's the price right there.
I'm going to tell you something. That's why I pay
up in Boston, Georgia. Web family up there's got a
big hay farm operation, and I'll get my hay up there.
And it's cheaper for me to drive to Boston, Georgia
from Monticella. I'll stop at the Boston Cafe and have breakfast,

(33:52):
and the gas and the cost of breakfast and time
and everything is still cheaper than going to other places.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'll just say that the price I hate. You know,
you can get cheaper stuff. You can get more expensive stuff,
and a lot of times it depends on the variety
of the grass. It depends on you know, what calway
you've got bermuda grass or behave grass, what kind of
behaved grass, and whether you've got Now you get into
all the and then depends on what you're feeding. Are
you feeding horses? And you can get all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
You tly get a lot of got that bougie uh grass.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think is how how much your belts were? Well,
they about nine hundred.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I don't know what they wait, they're they're they're five
feet tall and four feet wide, Okay, and that's there.
They roll tight, they're heavy, but I don't have a
scale on the tracker, so I don't know. Right here's
the thing, you know, I delivered thirty thirty on a
Saturday to one fella, one all load, one roll. I
mean right now, I'm try at one time. I mean,
might trailer only holds ten, so.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
I just have a bunch of ten all for cows.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Right, well, I mean the gun's got so you when
you can get you don't want to wait until the
middle of the winter to be buying your hat because
if you come to me in February and you want
to buy hay, getting it for fifty five dollars a roll,
you gonna get it for what I want at that
point in time, because ain't nobody gonna have nothing.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
You're keeping it on the ground farms.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, I just play it on the ground.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
It's rolled up.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I mean, people are selling hay from a year ago.
You know, it gets cheaper if it gets older, and
you know you want to feed fresh hate. It's been around.
I listen, I'm not into all this. I just I'm
learning as I go. And there are people you go
out there and buy thirty dollars rolls of hay, and
sometimes they're small, and we could have rolled them smaller
and made smaller rolls and sold them for less money.

(35:32):
But I would rather somebody's going if I'm gonna take
the time to go to deliver hay, or somebody's gonna
drive to me, I want as big a roll as
I ain't fit in the back of a pickup truck.
So they get their money's forth. And but yeah, you
can run out there, you get we you know, I'm
cutting it on halves with a gentleman. It's and uh
local farmer there in grand Ridge and Trent and Childs

(35:52):
he's got he's got Why can't I think of the
name of the dog Gone Spanish Trails farm and h
he's he's got a vegetable standing there in grand Ridge
off of sixty nine. That's seasonal and dust truck farming
all that. Fine, young man, younger, younger guy. He's kid
to me because he's my daughter's age. But you know,

(36:16):
hustling coming up, making a living. I like that. And
then we're cutting the seed on halves. I mean, I
love Actually I have to buy any equipment. Well, I'll
tell you what I've been all my equipment has flat tires.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
All right. I know it's kind of like you've been
having some issues there with the tires. What's causing them
to go flat?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Deerhorn?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
That cow I came out of the field the other
day and there was that gun piece of deer ant
was stuck in my truck tire and luckily it didn't
go all the way through. But you know, driving around
there in that hayfield, you can't tell where the sheds are.
And uh, but I got some turkeys for sale right now.
We're selling quail I'm selling fertilized eggs, day old chicks

(36:57):
and everything all the way up the flight right now,
I'm not the flat flight rays aren't ready yet, or
the flight trains, the flying birds, the flying birds that
and you throw them out there and shoot them and
lets the bird dog find them. But I'm selling some
birds right now for training birds, you know, because they
smell like quail. They're just not big enough. I'd let

(37:18):
them get three or four more weeks now I'll be up.
And that is a lot of work. I mean it's
a lot of work and a lot of loss. You
eat a lot of quail, no, because I can't afford to,
because that's what I can sell them for us. It's expensive,
I got you. But yeah, I mean when we shoot
them this year, we're gonna be hunting some.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
So we'll start charging the dry creek farms, the advertising fever,
the show what I'm talking about. You slide me in
and slide me in a couple of dozen quail every
so often there and them quail eggs are pretty clean clean.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, well, I was giving Freds some quil eggs. Don't
know if he's actually eating or not. I mean, they're
like regular sized eggs for us, but they're quite they're
tiny for us, but they're like normal sizes.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Written on them, a little tiny.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I didn't write numbers on his.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
We had one of them frog strangling rains the other
afternoon here at the shop. I mean, it was just
all of a sudden, the bottom fell out. We're getting that,
you know, eight inches hour kind of heavy rain, and
it overwhelmed the drain out here in the parking lot,
and uh, I go out there, and we're going out
there and I'm trying to get some grass had grown
over there. We're getting it cleaned up, and finally just

(38:27):
pulled the great completely out of the ground to the water.
And I look around and there's eggs floating everywhere. And
the guys were like, what what are all these Where
all this come from? Where all these eggs come from?
And I said, and I'm looking at him, and I go,
those are quail eggs. He goes, they got numbers on them.
And I go to Charlie, did you throw away some
quail eggs and.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Litter?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
So I took I took eggs that had come out
of the incubator, and I took the chicks up to
the barn and put them in the insulated room there
with the brewder and a bunch of the eggs not hatched.
And there was a bunch of shells that hatched. And
I write numbers on them. I put the date on
them when I pick them up, so I know how
old they are, so I know when they incubate them.
And I put them into what was left in the

(39:11):
basket in the back of my car, and I forgot
about them, and they get the smelling. And so I
was here at the shop over there. I said, I
cannot drive home with this god off of smelling there.
So I threw them in the couvert out there and said, what,
they'll float down when it rains. I didn't thought it
was gonna plug it up.

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We'll do right back.

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Speaker 4 (40:38):
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Speaker 1 (40:42):
And just like that. Yeah, the Dothans put people on
that break. We're probably listening to me talk about something
to do with active shooter stuff. I've recorded a bunch
of segments on stuff, mindset and all that to play
in Othan. Okay, but not here listening to ads here which.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
We were talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
We ain't talking about some fishing. Let's do it. Let's
talk about you got that. I've been sitting here looking
at all these worms.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Out on the table a bouffet of worm.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yes, I do. Last last week we talked about top
water baits, but that's still working good right now. But
this time of year, as we go into the early fall,
a plastic worm and JD, I know you agree with this,
and so we'll we'll del A plastic worm is probably
caught more fish bass than any other lower ever intended,

(41:32):
you know. And there's some different ones I want to
I want to talk about first as a ten inch worm.
This is a ribbon tail worm. We'll pulling out. It's
a zoom old monster. It's ten point five inches long
and it's what they call a ribbontail worm. And I'm
gonna hold that up so folks can see.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
It on the camera.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I've not.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
We're trying to work out the stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Through the ribbontail worm. And the guys on the radio
that just a I'm sure people, that's that's fish.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Some will.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Culprit culprit brand was the first's first really action tail
man auger tail and the culprits.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Is like a red wine color with glitter in it. Yeah,
blue and green they.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Called red bug. They have some of the plum any
of them. It seems like this time of year, deep summer,
going in the fall. They'd like a They like that
reddish color. It's got a little bit of green and
blue flack in it. But how you rig this is
very important when you rig a when you rig the worm,
I'm want to actually do this. You want to make
it perfectly straight. So when I rig this in here,

(42:40):
now your line's up here and you have your weight
and you pull it down. When you've got to hook
it back in, you want to go right in the
seam on the.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Hey, you want the body of that worm to be
as straight as both side.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
They won't twist your line.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
So you're using an off set chink, just worm hook,
off set shank, and you're keeping the worm. Is the
body of the worm as straight as possible. You don't
want it turning loops pulling through the water. That's what
you're trying to That's exactly right, keep from happening.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
And and you want to fit fishes anywhere from you know,
shallow water out to deep water like lake talkin on
ledges right now, that.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Is a ground docks on deep banks, that's right, Get
up under.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
This points on deep bright grass on like like lake seminole,
very good one.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah. The last. The last big bass I caught on
was about a year and a half ago on the
Lake Talquin. Was called a big, big old hog of
a bass, probably seven and a half eight pounds, and
was on a ten inch black man's jelly worm under
under a dock on a deep point like that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Was just talking about it.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
I know exactly where you called it now, They said.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
That Okalaha Creek. If you want to go right exactly
where I called it, I don't care. I'll take you
back to the dock and show it to you as
just you know, you up under enough docks, you're gonna
find one of those old big ones.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Later line, and those man worms, so it's big worms.
I use a twelve inch worms yep man's worm.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
This time of year, late in the year. The stuff
they're eating, the eels, the snakes and all that have gotten.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Bigger since they spring bigger.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
So in the springtime you use a little short use
the short worm because.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
This year and a small seminole. It seems like I
found more brim and shell cracker bed in the last
thirty days and I have since May. So everything was
later when it comes to that. And the one of
the worms that we caught those big ones this weekend
was on This is called a zoom speed worm. It's
got a it's got a tail right here. If you

(44:41):
can see that flat tail with a little curl on it.
And when you pull this it.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
It flaps flaps. It looks like a fish.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And but we've been catching these recently. It's just throwing
it out, letting it sink, and just pulling it and
letting it sit, just trying to get it. Seems like
those bigger ones you need to as it's coming by
and to kind of react to a little bit, you
know what I mean. But even aught So that's this
and I'll rig that up with.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Bigger bass are lazy. They're lazier than little bass. Little
bass will chase things and expend a lot of energy
to gain a few calories. Big bass have figured out
that if they lay still long enough in the same place,
something will swim by that they can get that. They
don't have to work too hard for that.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
They're so lazy they wear out on the way in.
That's realing the men. Yeah, it ends up like you're
rilling in a five gallon bucket full of water.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, big bass don't fight nearly as good as a
three pounder. Three and a half four pounder will give
you a whole lot more fight than than an eight
nine pounder.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
That right, that's exactly right. I find that to be
true too. And you have you know when you're doing
fishing with your weights. This is a tungsten maybe by
strike king it's at eight thounce and this is lead
and lead this is a quarter house, but it's still
it's a lot bigger, and tungsten is more dense, so
it's more sensitive as you're pulling you fill it run

(45:55):
across a shell.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Also a lot more expensive, a lot more expense.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You ain't got to have it, but it is make
it more sensitive, it really does. It makes it more sensitive.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
Paul.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
We were talking about that earlier, talking about using worms
and everything, and I mean at the end of the day,
the tungsten weight, Yeah, it's more sensitive, but then load
weights they've worked back then, they've worked.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Now exactly right.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, Tungsten is used in shotgun shell pellets, shotgun pellets
as well. Your turkey shells, the TSS turkey shells that
you pay six dollars apiece for uses tungsten instead of
lead and is shot, so it carries further because it's
denser than lead, more dense than lead. Charlie's dnser. This

(46:38):
is more dense than lead. It's okay, more dnse than lead.
So a seven and a half size tungsten pellet weighs
about as much as a five number five lead pellet. Yeah, really,
that's why. That's why tungsten turkey shot. You can kill
turkeys at further distances than you can with lead.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
And how long have they been tungsten shot has been out?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Oh, it's been out probably I want to say, go Lee,
probably ten or twelve, maybe fifteen years. It's unfortunately, uh,
China has the market cornered on tungsten material China. All
of it is mind and acquired over there, so they

(47:23):
can charge what kind of like Charlie's hay in the
winter time. They can charge whatever they want to the
world for tungsten. And that's its so expensive. Well, like
five I actually do that, by the way, I know,
five turkey shells, five TSS turkey shells. You're gonna pay
six to ten dollars per shot.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Wow, you better know what, well you better be.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Shoot with you're gonna you're gonna hunt with that stuff.
You better be able to hit what you aim at.
You just waste, You're just wasted. More money.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
You can kill in Florida legally during turkey season you
can kill two turkeys per year, so hypothetically you can
shoot twice a year, fill your yearly, your annual bag
limit and with with two shells. So yeah, there's a
lot of work to not kill it. Yeah, so get
the best of it. They make tonguesten shotgun shells for

(48:17):
ducks because it's non toxic. Lead is considered toxic. So
there's federal regulations on what you can where you can
shoot it. Basically, can't shoot it. We're not supposed shoot it.
You can shoot it over water as long as you're
not shooting at a duck, but just shoot at a
migratory waterfowl. You have to shoot non toxic shells. You
can shoot dove in a pond with lead, but you
can't shoot ducks in a pond with lead. Yeah, don't

(48:39):
look at me like that, Grant. I'm just telling you
what all logic.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
You can take a shotgun and go just shoot it
to water all day long with lead rounds and just
not do it. You're not breaking any law. I'm just gonna,
I'm I'm gonna just then, I'm gonna throw some sticks
out there and shoot at them and target practice. I
can't shoot skied over that thing all day long with
non bidegradable birds that are going in there and it's
and it's changing the pH and hurting. I can do

(49:06):
that and shoot lead over it all day long. But
if a duck flies over, can you shoot at it?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Wi lead?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Not if you want, unless you want to visit from
mister green jeans. Right, you are a pretty healthy tick.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Because because in theory, in theory, in theory, that lead
could be could be that day, it's the egg shells
to be thin in there.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Some badness.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It's just bad for the never mind that there, it's bad.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Never had more Dad. They did it. They did it
because dabbling ducks that feed in shallow water, that feed
on the bottom and got ingesting it. No well, divers too,
but dabblers as well. The ducks feeding and getting stuff
off mollusk and whatever off the bottom of the ponds,
ingesting the shot causing them. I guess I don't. I've
never heard of it. Killing one but okay, you know,

(49:54):
poison in one. But anyway, they outlawed. They steel shot
has been or non toxic toxic has been around for
a long time. Steel shot was is terrible as far
as shooting ducks with is very ineffective. Your range is
cut down to half of what it was with lead.
When you have a steel shot range of being able
to ethically kill a duck.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Lead lead mat in theory, it could cause issues and
reproductive cycle. Yeah, steel shot just wounds them all up.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Wounds them. Yeah, it cripples them all up. And then
so they started developing things that worked better, which was
the Bismuth was the first one. Uh, Bismuth has its problems.
It's brittles, a lot of it breaks apart in ye
you're still in business, yep, Bismuth still in Bismuth. They
and then they came out with tungsten and tungsten polymers,

(50:44):
tungsten matrix or whatever. So they take kind of like
the scraps and bond it with a plastic or bond
it with a metal or steel that's non tox or
whatever to make the steel shot a little better as
far as functioning. It's just the ducks tongusten shells or
three dollars apiece. So you got to, you know, going
out and shall tell those here, I get.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
You some if you want something that costs me more
money to miss.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Now anyway, Hey, we got that tournament coming up September thirteenth,
Me and you're fishing. We'll talk about it next show
in detail.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I'm looking forward to that Sember thirteenth, your calls, see
y'all next time.
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