Ep. 437: It's Sacalait (Sockalaye) Season, Boys

In Ep. 437 of ‪@TalonOutdoorsShow‬, Fred is gone but the guys continue in their discussion around the outdoors in the Fall. JD is itching to get to the deer stand becuase he's got a good sized buck on his hunting lease nad Captain Paul is excitied about catching some sacalait (sockalaye).

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the town out Doorshew, I'm Charlie.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm d Captain Paul Tyer and I'm grant.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
You, Paula. You were waiting for Fred and he's not
sitting here and I'm Captain Paul's. Oh anyway, yeah, well
so the weather's been nice. Uh yeah, man, I love
this I got. I was in the in Blue Ridge,
Georgia this last weekend for middle first part of the week,

(00:32):
not during the weekend, but just before the holiday, and
it was my twenty fifth anniversar with my wife. We
went up found a cabin last minute. One of those
things what you want to do, I don't know what
you want to do. It's kind of like where you
want to eat? I don't know. And we had some
of that at Berto. Where you want to eat? That's
a count of mountains good oh yeah, found yeah, some

(00:53):
really nice places to eat. Couple of really good places
up there a couple of nights. Found a cabin, great view.
The one thing about going to cabins in the mountains,
if you've never been to a cabin in the mountain
and you put it in Google Maps and then you're
reading the instructions and it says don't use Google Maps,

(01:13):
don't use don't map, don't use GPS. I'm like, uh,
that's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well we'll get this kind of place.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I like, well, the thing is is they send directions,
and so we get up there. Now it's dark, and
so we roll up this road and you go up
this other road to another road past the tree, take
the left, go up to go through the intersection. Now
the leaves are falling, which, by the way, right now,
I've never been in the Blue Ridge Mountains or up there.

(01:40):
When exactly when the leaves were the right color and
we hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I was gonna say, is right now fall foliage?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I'll show you, well for where according to what
I saw, I'll show you some pictures on the break.
But it was beautiful. I put on Facebook and and
we caught it. It was snowing, but we get that
after we've been a little while. But we get there,
and we go up these roads and you can tell
when leaves have fallen on the road and people have
been driving on them. And after about the second turn

(02:09):
that we were following these directs, and you can't tell
what's a driveway when there's no pavement visible. All the
leaves are on the ground. You don't know what's the
road and what's a path and what's the trail. And
by the way, it's on the side of it. I
mentioned this is on the mountain, right, So there's a
lot of and I don't really like that. And so
now we're up here on an almost brand new vehicle,
driving around some roads that don't exist on some new

(02:32):
leaves with some roads. We don't know where we're at.
We're told this, don't follow, don't follow the map, and yeah,
and we went through some people's yards I'm pretty sure,
and around some houses and some stuff, and finally we
him got to where the GPS told us to go,
you know, but it really there was a lot of
fairly not steep roads getting there. But it scared me.

(02:56):
And then when we got there, I looked and we said, okay,
we're here. Now it's on to town eat. I said,
let's follow the GPS and see what happens. And it
took us right down. There's like two turns but this
but it's like a forty five degree slope and the
roads are pretty rough, and I think what they're trying
to do is to send you the back WAYOM go
on to bad roads, you go on to good roads.

(03:18):
But I don't know how those people you're driving through
the yards appreciate it. But the but we you know,
we went that way the rest of the time. Now,
if it was icy, had rained and ice and stuff,
I don't know, we'd gone up and down it until
we'll drive. But it was a beautiful view. First night
it was cold. I didn't realize we had not turned
the heater on. And uh, so waking up and you

(03:40):
sleep good? I said, not really, it's too cold all
not long. She goes, why women are you So I
was kind of hot? Well I was, I was cold
and uh and then she goes, I don't think he
turned the heater on. And then the next night I
turned the heater on and we were upstairs and so
you know, heat rises and the thrmsats downstairs. So that
didn't work out well either. But man, we had.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Some good, good food.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And I turned it into a business trip because I
got on gov deals dot com, which JD introduced me to,
thank you, and bought two vehicles while I was up
there to uh used police department vehicles. Ford Explorer Pursuit
models and uh and called one of my people and

(04:23):
they came up and we shuttled them back down. So
we drove one vehicle up and I guess there was
four back. But uh So my wife's like, only you
would turn a twenty fifth anniversary into a business trip,
and I said, yeah, well, you know it's all work
related now.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Right, So so it was like, you know, we got
we used company cards, the other company, not JD's company,
use the other company card to uh to buy dinner
and and and.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
And all the gas and everything else. So but it
was a good time man the mountains a few. It
put me in just the right frame of mind, just
in time to come back home and get it all
screwed up.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know, it be that way sometime.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It is.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
We've had a busy week at the shop here, so
you know, hunting seasoned in full swing, and everybody's this
whole suppressor you know, the federal suppressors and short bare
rifles are all federally regulated, and Congress part of the
big beautiful bill was to take the two hundred dollars

(05:32):
tax stamp off of suppressors and short barel rifles, which
we're all we're all all about that. Well, apparently a
couple of days ago Congress, a bunch of members of
Congress wrote a letter and signed it and sent it
to the Attorney General Pam Bondi, and it basically says, hey, yeah,
we took the tax stamp off, we took the money

(05:53):
associated with Our intent is to take these items off
of the registry. We don't don't want them regulated by
the government anymore. The congressman the Congress, these congressmen sent
that letter to Pam Bondy, we don't want these regulated.
We we could not pass it in the Big Beautiful
Bill because they did a fifty or fifty one percent vote.

(06:17):
They did a bird rule to get that Big Beautiful
Bill passed to take away the filibusters so it would
pass the Senate. So they got it passed, and their
idea was that, hey, we they want to continue to
regulate machine guns uh with the NFA. But our goal,
they basically said, our goal with this is to take

(06:38):
suppressors and short bail rifles out of the realm of
federal uh special regulation, not not complete take it away
from regulation. I'm not saying they're gonna they're wanting it
to be an over the counter accessory like a lot
of people want. Where there's where you can buy them
online and get them without an FFL. They're saying, we
we don't want them to be a special category anymore.

(07:02):
They'd be just like any other firearm. So and they
did this because there's a bunch of lawsuits that the
GOA and some other people file lawsuits. We've talked about
that on the show in the past, and they basically said,
don't spend the government's money fighting these lawsuits. Just go
ahead and when the time arises, settle the lawsuits. That

(07:23):
was our intent. We just want you to know, as
the chief law enforcement officer of the country over Department
of Justice and all that, well, we don't want you
to fight these lawsuits. We want this to go away.
So that's one more step in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Which was it signed by a majority of Congress or
are some people in Congress?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
It was a bunch of Republicans in Congress. I don't
know how many. I didn't. I've looked at the body
of it is available public record. I could probably go
back and find it and tell you exactly how many
congress people signed it. But it was a senators and
representatives Congress people that basically said intent was we couldn't
do it because the member of the parliamentarian for the

(08:04):
Senate said, you can't mix this regulatory bill with the
tax bill. You're the big beautiful bill was a tax bill.
It's dealt with the money. They took the money object away,
they took the money part of it away, They did
away with that tax. So now they really and we've
been saying this along without the tax being associated with it,

(08:25):
the ATF, the regulatory people don't have any authority over
the item anymore because it's always been a tax associated item. Well,
when the tax goes away, then it just becomes a
regulatory thing, and they don't want that to be They
don't want it to be as heavily regulated.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
When the law originally was written.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
In nineteen thirty four as.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
A tax stamp, which is why they call it a
tax stamp, you pay taxes on it, and they've got
this whole background check thing that you go.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Through, and it was also written the two h undred
dollars has not changed since nineteen thirty four. In nineteen
thirty four, two hundred dollars was like five thousand dollars today.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Cost prohibit its people from having this stuff right.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
For keep people to It was designed up front as
an infringement on the Second Amendment, which is and now
the rest of the world has has begun to understand
that that short barrel rifle is no more deadly than
a you know, an eleven inch rifle is actually less
deadly than a sixteen inch rifle. A suppressor doesn't make

(09:35):
the gun not sound like a gun anymore. It just
protects your hearing. It makes it not hearing damaging. It
still sounds like a gun going off. So the world
has kind of caught up with reality, I guess if
you want to put it that way, and I think
we're going to see good things out of this sport.
It's all said and done, so let's hope.

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about silencers, suppressors, apples, shortbear rifles. Yeah, a US tomorrow whatever.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
So here's what I hope happens. And I've had this
discussion with a really good friend of mine online the
other night, and here's here's what I hope happens. Where
he was like, I think that suppressor should be accessories
that you can buy over the counter with no paperwork.
You just buy it and you walk out the door,
and like, yeah, I get way you say that. And
on principle, I don't disagree with that on the principle

(11:26):
of it. However, to be politically a little bit politically savvy, okay,
and the way things work, thinking about the long game
and being politically savvy. If you do that and there
is zero regulation on suppressors, there's always going to be
some sort of regulation on firearms. I don't see that

(11:48):
ever going away, where you have to go to a
licensed dealer to purchase a firearm with a background check,
and I don't want that to go away. I don't
want just anybody if you're a bad guy, if you're
a convicted fellow and you're a bad guy, you shouldn't
have a gun. You've lost that right to have a gun.
And I agree with it. You lost your right to vote,
you've lost your right to have a gun. Kept me
out of kept me from doing bad things for a
long time, you know. So yeah, I don't think that

(12:13):
they should be completely unregulated it suppressors either, because what
I would what I foresee happening is down the road
when the Republicans are not in control of Congress and
don't have the White House and they're not gonna have
not gonna be in control of government, which is bound
to happen. Just that's the way politics work. You get
this pendulum swing in swings in both directions. It doesn't

(12:34):
go all the way to the right and stay there.
It doesn't go all the way to the left and
stay there. Tends to kind of hang out somewhere in
the middle. So if you turn them into if you
have to turned suppressors into an accessory that anybody can
go by over the counter, walk into the hardware storage,
say I need a thirty calibers press for my dear rifle,
and they walk out, what you will inevitably have down

(12:55):
the road is you will have bad guys having more
access to them and you getting in them, getting them
and using them in crime. So and if that happens
in the crime statistic right now, statistically, short barrel rifles
and suppressors are very very very seldomly used in crime.
Legally obtained ones are virtually never used in crimes. Illegally

(13:19):
obtained ones are illegally manufactured ones are still even low
low number of crimes gun crimes committed with these with
these device ares is that many of them. There's not
that many of them. Handguns are overwhelmingly used in crimes anyway,
not shoulder fired weapons. They're overwhelmingly used in crimes and
nobody's going to bad guys. They're not going to go
to the trouble. Suppressors on handguns make the handgun much bigger.

(13:40):
They want little bitty handguns that they can hide. Okay,
so they're not used in crimes. But if you make
them more readily available to everybody, bad guys included, that
statistic's going to go up. It will be low hanging
fruit for the when when the pendulum does swing. So
I think it's good to keep some regulation on them.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
There's background check. If there are still background checks on them,
like a pistol, you go in, you buy one, go
through the background check. Throw it on a gun. You're right,
it's gonna make it at least when that the pendlum
swings the other way and they go, hey, we want
to go after this and go listen, people have to
do a background check. No, they don't have to wait
and to go through the federal government and do all

(14:22):
that stuff and pay all this extra money, which the
money's gone now yep.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
So I mean we continue to if we treat them
like the purchase of a firm, which is just about
every state, if not every state has some sort of
a background check system. Where you're not selling the guns
or the suppressors or any of that stuff to non
bad guys. In Florida, they not only check your criminal history,
they check your mental health history and if you've got

(14:46):
a if you've been baker acted or not just baker acted,
if you've been deemed mentally whatever by a judge. There's
some the red flag stuff. So if you've got somebody
that's shouldn't have a gun, hopefully the system or our
hope is as as gun dealers, our hope is that
the system will catch that and tell us, hey, don't
sell this person a gun. There's a reason, we have

(15:07):
a reason for not selling them a gun. So I
don't think just anybody and everybody should have a gun. Sorry,
you know, I'm a huge gun gun rights proponent, but
not everybody should have a gun. That's just the fact.
If we completely take all the tethers off of this
and let anybody and everybody have guns, suppressor short, it's
going to increase the numbers. And that's what politicians always

(15:30):
use to make their argument is the is the data.
Whether they use it correctly or not is another story.
You get all these faults, false flag arguments and the
red herring stuff where they just make up numbers and
we know they'll do that. Politicians will make things up.
We know that, right, And they'll make up numbers, and
they'll skew numbers and skew data as Charlie's like Charlie

(15:53):
always says, there's was.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It lies down lives and statistics, statistics, right, so politicians,
So we know that.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
So we know that happened. So we as as lawful
gun owners, need to be cognizant. Whereas we want to
cheer it on and go yay, you also have to
play the game of the politics and play the long game,
because you can bet the other side of this argument
always plays the long game.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah. So you know, on one side, as gun people,
we want to go, hey, you ought to be able
to have a rocket launcher in a cannon and park
you can and you can't have cannons and a tank
parky tank in your yard. And you ought to be
able to have whatever. I think, you know, the Second
Amendment says that we have the we have that right. However,
the reality of this situation is is if you go

(16:39):
too far with it when you have control, as soon
as the other side has control, you lose the high ground,
you lose the ability, you lose that strong foundation that listen,
we've got reasonable gun laws. We're here, there's people that
we need to stand by these reasonable gun laws. And
when you just open the door so far to where

(17:00):
you're just letting anybody do anything that anybody wants to do,
and a certain number of people get hurt like that
and they can point to it, then what JD said
is right. It's too easy. It is low hanging through
and it's too easy to go back and take that
back away from us. So and what's happened over time
is we've been getting gun lost in certain areas, and

(17:21):
federally under the current administration, we've been able to get
this stuff and loosened up and loosened up and loosened
up back so closer to where it really needs to be.
And then the Supreme Court is backing a lot of
this stuff. You're starting to see these things come back around,
making some somewhats of common sense. But Congress can things up.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, the time period in which all of these laws
were enacted in the first place was when you had
the Chicago mafia gangland drive bys with machine guns. You know,
you could go to the hardware store, you could buy
a Tommy gun. And the bad guys were doing that,
and they were the police officers were still carrying six
shot revolvers in the bags, had Thompson machine gun forty

(18:01):
five's with a with a fifty round drum magazine, so
the cops didn't have a fair fight. The bad guys
were killing people every day, innocent people, guilty, they're they're
they're they're killing their their opponents. They were also killing
innocent people and they were using suppressors to do to
do uh, you know, murder with to murder people with

(18:23):
quietly goes flipping in somebody's house in the middle of
night and shoot them in the head where the neighbors
in these apartment complex. That's that's why that stuff is
on the registry. That's why the law was enacted because
the people and the government said we got to do something.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
But they didn't ban them. They just made.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
It people could have it. They made it where only
the very wealthy and what do gangsters tend to have
a lot of money that there's unaccounted for money, you
know that they're selling, they're selling bootleg liquor.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
They wanted to. They wanted to track it and and
keep it. And they wanted to be able to decide
who who who gets them and who don't got them?
And what does that sound like when you only let
a certain class if people have something based on their income, I.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Mean oligarchy or monarchy or commu I mean, it's all
kind of it's it's it's it sounds, it smells a
little racist, it smells a little class.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I mean, all those things that are supposed to be against.
And and now that nowadays those tax stamps were affordable
by most people, but it was still a royal pain
in the rear. But they took away the money. Now
all of a sudden, it's not about the money. Now
the money goes away.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Now that it's not about the money, it's about the
So the standard that the uh, the the standard that
the Supreme Court has always looked at where gun regulations
are involved is common use? Is it a common item?
In common use? Suppressors short barel rifles because of the

(19:51):
pistol braces and the which was a skirt. Pistol braces
or a were an end run that the industry figured out, well,
we can do this if we can get this pistol
brace approved, we can essentially have a short barrel rifle
and without calling it a short barrel rifle and Nina
Taxi exactly functionally, exactly the same and SB Tactical, one
of the manufacturers of pistol braces has sold over twelve

(20:15):
million of them, so we know that.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
There's that's not common.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
We know that there's only twelve twelve million of them
in the country that have been sold, so you can
extrapolate from that, there's probably twelve million pistol brace short
barrel rifles whatever you want to call it out there
on the planet. If that ain't common use, I don't
know what common use is. There's also millions of suppressors
out there, so they're also in common use.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
And to buy a suppressor from a.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Like any of all of this stuff, you have to
buy from an FFL and it's a special and it's
not just a regular old gun dealer like Walmart is
a regular FFL gun dealer. Bass Pro Shop is a
regular FFL gun dealer. We have to pay Charlie and
I for each of our locations one thousand dollars a
year for a special occupation tax to be able to

(21:06):
sell those items. So we're we're we're not just an FFL,
we're a specially regulated FFL, and so there's reporting standards
on our end. There's an extra fee that we have
to pay every year for each location just to be
able to sell these items.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
And if you have one, you own a suppressor and
you want to sell it to your friend or give
it to your friend, you can't just do that. It's
it's almost worth it. It's better to turn into sheriff's office,
lets them destroy it, and just buy a new one
and go through the proper channels. It's that big a
pain in the a end.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, we can do things on what's called E file,
so we can electronically file the paperwork which right now
suppressure tax stamps. We're still we're still having to do
tax stamps right now till the end of the year,
till January second, because the first is a holiday. We're
still having to do tax stamps. If you want to
have one to hunt with this year, you're going to
be buying a tax stamp two hundred dollars on top

(21:59):
of the cost of the suppression.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
People are walking here buying them in the.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Two hundred dollars right just to have it now because
they don't want to hurt their ears when they get
in the deer stand, or they got a kid that's
starting out hunting and it's they're they're wonderful to hunt with,
they're wonderful to shoot. It's much more pleasant experience shooting,
so you're not dealing with a super loud explosion. It
cuts down on the recoil all that good stuff. So
we're selling selling them today right now, and a lot

(22:23):
of them, and the demand or the volume in which
we've been selling them has gone up dramatically just based
on the government doing their job efficiently and getting tax
stamps back in less than a year, because that's what
we were used to is a year return. Now it's
three days with the epile, So yeah, big difference. We'll
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(23:46):
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at the Doathan range Tyller range of Doathans coming up to.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Twenty second, twenty second, twenty.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Third, twenty second, twenty third. You have to be a
GSSF member to shoot Sports Shooting Foundation, but you can
sign up when you get there. I mean they'll lets you.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Sign join enter all in the one one go go
around sign up and the good good thing about joining GSSF.
If folks don't know at the end of your first
year of membership, I think they still do it this way.
It could be right there on the spot. But I
think I think if you do two years, If you
do it sign up for two years, that might be
right on the spot. If you do it for one years,

(24:28):
at the end of your first year, they give you
a certificate or a coupon card, and you can take
that coupon card to a blue label clock dealer and
trade in your coupon and get to buy. If you're
not already, if you're not blue label eligible, you can
buy a blue label gun at blue label price with
that coupon. So it's it's it's that's worth the savings

(24:52):
on the gun right there is well worth the membership
of GSSF, whether you shoot in the match or not.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
If you get one those in them, talk to us
and we'll help you figure that out because we're blue
label here.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
We're a blue label dealer in Florida. Yeah, we're not
a blue label dealer there, but that.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
But if you want to buy, if you want to
make it down here, we can probably transfer it up there.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Quite sure, we can.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I think I'll drive it up therefore you personally, it
won't even slarging anything. The yeah. So that so the
match is coming up, I know, we put it out
on social media and all, and listen. If you haven't
been to one, this is a good time to come
out and see what it's all about. But basically, you
can shoot pretty much any glock pistol, and there's different
categories and.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
No matter what block pistol you got, they got a
category for.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
And you're not having to worry about gear or holsters
or all that. You take a glock in a box
unloaded out to the range, you load your stuff, they'll
tell you it will walk you through the whole thing.
Gears like three stages, I think, yes, three stages, and
there are different types of stages, and you shoot all
three stages and then they record your time and you
can enter as many times as you want with as

(26:02):
many guns as you want. So you can take a
whole box of blocks out there.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I've seen a wagon full of clocks many times where
these guys are towing a.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Wagon in competitions.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like a fee, Yeah, it's an entry fee. There's an
entry fee. So and the way they they don't give
away prize money. What they give away is clocks. So
for joining GSSF and entering the match, you get entered
for a drawing to win a clock, to win a
free pistol. If you win a category, you win a
free pistol. You get entered for every division you shoot in.

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So let's say you shoot a full sized nine millimeter
and you shoot a subcompact, and then you go over
shoot the heavy metal which is the forty five or
the ten milimeter, and you shoot the heavy metal subcompact
that's a block twenty nine or block thirty. You get
where I'm going with this. There's all different categories. If
you're a military law enforcement, that's its own category, So
you can shoot the same gun in the civilian side
and then you go over there and shoot it in

(26:55):
the guardian side to the military law enforcement. So for
every entry, and it's it's like only twenty five or
thirty bucks per entry, but for every entry you get
and you go shoot, that's another chance for you to
win a g they've given away. We've seen them give
away as many as I think our record is based
on attendants and entries either. They one year, they gave

(27:17):
away sixty two glock free glock pistols at a match
here in Tallahassee. Wow. So the more people join, the
more guns they're going to give away.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's fun, it's a fun.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And it's really ever thought about getting into competition shooting.
It is a really, like Charlie said, a really fun,
laid back, simple competition. There's no running around, there's no
drawing from the holster. That's just stand in one place,
shoot the targets, have fun, a lot of cutting the
fool and camaraderie, and.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You can shoot more than once.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
So it's and you'll go through and it's a lot
of fun. There's a lot of good people there. You
don't have to commit to the whole day. A lot
of competitions. You show up in the morning. You're there
to let everybody's done shooting. You show up up, shoot
your stuff and go home. You can leave.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You can show up and shoot half of it and
go home and come back and shoot the other half
the next day. Yeah, today's a.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Two day event, so you can come one day and
not come to next or come half a deck, cover
a couple hours, get it knocked out. You know whatever,
it's a it's a good time. It's worth coming up.
You can go to gssf's website, it's like something like
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Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm ready to go getting deercedn. We've got to get
this get this thing night out.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Well, can we? If we talk faster, it's going to
take just as long and we'll have to and we'll
have to say more stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
So my wife's got a you know this is this
show's there and on Saturday, we're recording on Friday and
she's got to work. She's got to go work football
game this afternoon at FSU, last home football game. So
Friday afternoon she's like, and I tell it's weird. We've
been getting virtually no pictures in the morning, very few
deer moving in the mornings and uh and but moving

(30:10):
in the afternoons. And she's like, I can't go Saturday afternoon.
I was like, well, what about Friday afternoon? She goes, Oh, yeah,
I can go Friday afternoon. I got all this time
built up from working off this other stuff. So as
soon as we get off radio, I'm at the Booge
the Booty, the Georgia.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
My wife's gonna be at that same football game. But
she doesn't get to go to the ball game. She
has just hang out at f SUPD. Now they moved
the commands off site then, so.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
She can't watch the probably had to do with the
stadium rebuild.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I tell you what she's not happy about. It is
FSU's performance this year, because it has not been a
fun season to be around.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
They started all so good. I thought, well, when we
beat Alabama. Starting the game, I was like, man, we
must be I think we might be back. And when
we are not back, far from back.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
What happened? Just you know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
It's weird, but anyway, I don't care because it's hunting season.
My lack of my interest in football as well.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It kind of interferes my fishing a little bit.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah yeah, a lot of things. It interferes with business
at the range too. And and we've noticed the last
couple of weekends that people ain't going to the ball
games quite as much.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
But it's weird because you you're hunting. I just finished
playing food Plots.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Oh it's not just that I'm hunting. I've got I've
got deer chasing. I got bucks chasing my rut. Today
is the show there And on the fifteenth my root
is full swing. On the nineteenth of November is when
are just about every year we just you know, that's
that's full blown. That's the that's the day, you know,
nine eighteenth, nineteen twenty, that's the day. It's uh so yeah,

(31:42):
it's uh, it's it's it's fixing the happen cap.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
And I had three I ain't been seeing no bucks.
We have come to the neighborhood here to come in
the yard eating the acorns. And I had three bucks,
like a like like a ten point, like an eight point.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Then we'll see if they're still hanging out. Yeah, they're
still hanging out together where you're. Well, yeah, but your
bucks are still hanging out together where you are. They're
all they're coming in, they're still in bachelor. Yeah, the
rut ain't happening where you're at it. You're talking about
up to Lake Seminole. So your rut is probably similar

(32:16):
to Gats some parts of Gaston County over there, which
is way after Christmas, you know, sometime in January.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'm just guessing it gets me when JD's done hunting. Yeah,
well I did this and that, and I'm going we
still got two months left.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and it's all so even in
like I hunt some in Krow, so Caro George is
just south of where I'm hunting Camilla. So our rut,
you know, right right before Thanksgiving Kro always the first
week in December, so you're two or three weeks off there,
you know, two or three weeks down the road there, uh,

(32:53):
just down the road a little bit. And then here
at the gun range, the rut here is between Christmas
and first week in January, where Charlie's at. I killed
a buck during the rut over there at his place
years ago in Debulary on February the second, and he
was absolutely full blown rut neck full up you know,

(33:14):
the Tarsal glens, all black, and he came to a
came to a grunt.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Call and far a distance from these places.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, geographically we're not different. But it's just all about
the deer herd and when the doughs, when the doughs
are ready, and the you know, it's all kinds of
factors involved in it. The moon phase, the temperature of
the weather. We didn't have a very good rut last
year where I was at in Georgia because it warmed
up right about right at the wrong time of the year.
It warmed up and it kind of it kind of
spread things out and slowed things down or whatever. But

(33:42):
you know, it's all part of It's just part of
knowing what you're what you're looking for, and knowing when
to be there, and it's all part of it.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, I run around the yard with a little little
uh pigmy billy goat in rut around. Yeah. So last night,
you know, I get home. In the evening, I go
put the goats up, and in the morning, before I leave,
I let the goats out and they just roam the yard.
I mean there's no fence. They just hang, you know,
they graze out there wherever. And and it looks like

(34:14):
he rolled a bunch of little you know, goat poop
everywhere and between them and the turkeys. And so I
get there and the he runs, Well, I'll get out
in the carport and I'll walk down to the goat
pen and he runs right between my legs the whole time.
I mean, he's just right there with me. And if
the dog comes around, he wants to head butt the dogs.

(34:35):
He won't head butt Rusty much. The Rusty's like having that.
They have an understanding. But Lily, on the other hand,
Lily comes up there and she starts trying to nip
at him, you know, because I'm hers, so I belong
to her. And she's like, hey, you got to get
away from him. And she runs up there and she
just tries to nip and then he turns around. He
head butts her one time and she backs up and

(34:56):
looks at him. And then she comes back up there again,
trying to get under him and nip at them. And
she he had butter. She yelped and hollered, and she's
got an ear infection, so her ear hurts. Right now,
take her to the vet. They get some stuff squirted
in there, so it's good for thirty days. And I said,
what we should hurry up and work because and she yelps,
and then comes back for more. I'm like, I got

(35:17):
a billy goat and a bird dog fighting over me
right now. Everybody wants Daddy's attention. Well, I know which
one's gonna curl up in my lap, and a little
bit that ain't gonna be that stinking billy goat, I.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Promise you that, man. And then you ain't joking about
a goat, but you smiling smell of goat from ten
miles away out them things. So I had goats and
all the kid and that just man, they said nothing
stink like a billy goat or like a goat.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, anytime I get around somebody's dog, they run up
and they stick your nose to machines. Because I swhear
the goats rub up on me every morning, sween the
turkeys and the goats. I just wondered what our dogs think?

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Is that what I've been smelling?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
This might be that new cologne I'm using O de goat. Yeah,
I just I just take his beard and rub it
on me, because SEPs on his beard. I sit there
and you watch these animals do that stuff, and it's
just like, man, that's nasty.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
What would I mean what.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Do people do back in the day, you know, Jesus
before we had some you know, I have to have
the odor in.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
The sky.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
You watch all those old movies and you watch all
these old movies and Westerns and stuff and back in
Victorian times and all that, and you go, man, you know,
we look at that and that's all pretty. But can
you imagine the smell? I mean, my lord, so these
arms they're fighting into over this castle and I'm thinking, yeah,
the mode is nothing but their septic tank. I mean,
it's just the whole things.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Now, it's just yeah. And today, thankfully, thankfully, today we
have right guard and degree degree mando whatever you whatever,
your preference is, old spice, old spice, yeah, Duke Cannon,
we got smells soap.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh right, well yeah, I used to do Cannon soap
and they've got what they We have a Colone pack
and that actually smells pretty good. It don't last, don't
last any longer the Dad Game soap does, but it
does smell good for a minute. You know. I remember
growing up going to Sunday school and all the old
men all had you know, everybody, every women had on

(37:16):
perfume and hairspray at a aqua hairnet and and and
and perfume, and the men all had on cologne and stuff.
And I saw one of my uncles, uh Daddy's second
cousin anyway, not long ago, about a year or two ago.
Bumped into him somewhere, and you know, he's one of
the people in the church still and always has been.

(37:37):
And I walked up to him and I.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Went brute by fabrije I said no.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I said, you know, you know that brings back memories
right there, just being around all you old guys that
like to wear that stuff. And uh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
What it was, old spice, those spice brute by Fabri.
Remember all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Now it's all body spray and whatever. It's all just
perfume for men.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Lord have mercy.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I still have some of that same stuff. Dr card
No wir, that's in the back of the bathroom drawer
I've had since we used to go hang out at
the Riverfront Saloon, you know, back in the I.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Got one of them. I got a Christmas tree in
my trucks, the black Christmas tree. It's car smell. It
smells like that. You can buy you can buy them
as a car car air fresheners, and you can buy
the different smell to wear.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
It at But if I put it on, my wife
wants to know, honey, you well, I know what you
smell like. That's all right, whatever you see.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
You gotta maybe here, here's your here's what you do.
You you get herd or spread on you and say
we're gonna go out somewhere. I want you to pick
pick the clone you want me to wear. Now, I'm
just trying to help you there. I'm trying to help you, Charlie,
keep you out of trouble. Don't you got to go
in there and get a little get a little woman advice.
If it's their idea, they ain't gonna cost you no problems.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Ma'am. I'm fifty nine years old. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
You got to make it their ideas right, you know,
because their idea it's all good. You'll learn, You'll learn.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
If I put on cologne, the whole household, including myself,
would not stop sneezing.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Oh I'm that way. My my daughters can spray something
in there in their bathroom on the other end of
the house, and I'm like, why you just raying in there?
Because I immediately go to see them.

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Some old behea grass.

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A driving accor I'm sorting.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Show me man, we're back pressing that for you.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Pauldon got out his cycle lay sack.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yes I do. I've got I've got it. I want
to show kind of.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
What I've been using. You remember those tfo rog y'all had, Yeah,
that panfish greenwatt.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Oh yeah, the best crappy.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I got me some of them before we got out
of the fishing rod business.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Those are very good.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
I was just yesterday throwing through school of croppy and
they were down the bottom just not I could fill
my bait hitting the fish as it bounced through them.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
That was like, my god, that's when you get a
trouble hook on there. My gosh.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
They won't buy it, all this hooking in the tail.
But I tell you one thing I use. I use
this Berkeley X nine braided line ten pound test, and
I use either this is bast Pro Shop XPS four carbon.
This is a leader either ten or eight. I found
that if I used ten, I can actually bend the

(41:44):
hook out and getting it all the stuff when they
hang up. But up eight seems like it gets little
more bites it does. And always tie a loop knot
on a jighead. I use these jig heads. These are
basically eagle.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Claw Charlie a loop knot instead of tying the line
tightly around the eye of the jig. So just tell
me what you're doing is what you're doing is you're
tying a knot on there so that that jig head
can float around, so the knot is actually out there,
and you've got a little loop of line through the
jig head so that that jig head can move more

(42:19):
naturally than tying the line directly to the jig head.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
I got you, and that right there, So you're making
the loop right there, and it just makes it.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I'll tell you, you get more bites.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Absolutely for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
It makes a difference.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I do that on top water plugs like bring back
rebels and stick bait that kind of stuff. It gives
that dat a whole lot more.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Action, way more action. And actually this year in the
spring I started was catching croppy on the bed. I
actually tie a loop not on a minta hook. I
think it makes a difference. I really think it makes
a difference.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
But anyway, using.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know what, you know what my most common knot
I tie when I fish a bird's nest. Well, that's well,
I'm good at that.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, that's I can see that.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I do that I do that all the time.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I can show I can tell you how to prevent
that from that don't happen. It's called a little bit
of practice.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I got plenty of practice Steyn birds in this. I
ain't getting the month tied.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And I tell you what you know.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Usually when I'm throwing for Crappie, amusing a number one
thousand spinning reel.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's all a small reel and.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Because with that TFO rod again, it's very light, very sensitive,
and I've learned some steps when you're casting the spinning
reel if you will, actually you know the spinner.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I don't have one.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
I need you to bring one to show, but you
bring it around to the top and grab it with
your finger, not putting your finger here.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
They're lying in your crease of your.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Finger, and you can't let you can't open your finger
fast enough, it'll catch and throw ten foot in front
of you. If you'll throw it the line halfway on
your finger, it'll comes off. You can make a lot
for the case. It could be a lot more accurate,
which makes the difference. Then when you when it hits
the water, close the bell with your hand.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, close it by hand. Don't just start reeling. Don't
you start reeling it will that will cause it'll wind notts,
It'll cause it twist, does.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
The wind Nott?

Speaker 5 (44:18):
And I used to hate using spinning reels. And I
would go with my mentor, mister Allen Carter, and that
man he would beat my He would catch twenty bast
of my one trying to throw a bait caster. So
I learned a spinning reel. But then I started using
I learned how to not get those wind knots. And
that makes all the difference in the world.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
It really I was. I was probably fifty years old,
grown before somebody told me, quick, quick, closing the ball
with the handle on the reel. If close it, close
it by hand manually, and you won't get those wind knots,
and they.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Will close it by hand and pull your line talk,
especially braid pull it talks.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
You'll never get one. Yep, sure enough, bet I bet,
I bet you that you'll do that.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
It'll be rare.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
You saw your son. He never got one that day.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Never did.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I've never listened to you didn't, Yeah you did.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
And called a giant crappie.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
So this time the weather, water's cold. They're ganging.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
The water cooling sixty two degrees. I've got a trip
today when we're growing the show this afternoon. I'm looking
forward to getting out there the the They're really starting
to bunch up and it's gonna get better and better
and better as we go all the way into February.
About largest being pretty good, they've been. They've been feeding
up pretty good. I'll tell you what I thought that
that that initial fall feed started. It was actually started

(45:34):
in August this year, I think about the middle of August.
But now it seems like we're finding some little bit
bigger bass. The bigger ones are starting to especially that
cooler water. They like that cooler water making a difference.
Alabama Riggs been working a crank base that started working again.
Shatter baits, those type of moving vibrate baits have been
working really well.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Anything looks like a shad or some kind.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Of barble are you could right now? Mainly shad.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
I'm noticing the brimmed or starting to bunch up around
stumps in about ten to.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Twelve foot of water.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Had a giant bass on yesterday trying to catch a
crappie and he came up around with stump and I
think he's going after cropping and it hit my jig,
so I had him for a minute, but he got off.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Might have been your croppy, might have been on the
jigger about to get you jig out. It was the whole,
the whole. That's cartoon you used to see with the
little fish and the bigger fish and then the bigger
fish coming by.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
I had like twenty bass different trips trying to eat
the crappie.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Fight it up in a big old bass. Women they're
trying to get the crappie.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
That's like, yeah, all shore fishing. And you get a keeper,
a keeper sized grouper and you're fighting that group of
the to the boat and then all of a sudden
your your rod just doubles over and hits back to
the bottom, and you know, either a goliath grouper got it,
or or a shark. You know, there's always there's always
a bigger fish, Paul, Yeah, that's there is always a
bigger fish somewhere.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
That's right. You know, Like, have you ever caught any
of them big old alligator garl some of you ever?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
No, never have caught an alligator.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I got a spot over the Spring Creek. It's just
there must be thousands.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Of alligator guards.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
Well I don't know that long nose big. They're big ones,
and they're just in this one spot all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
It seems like this one.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
I have caught some monster guards in the river. Some
the garfish. We you know, I told you about my
granddaddy plugging up the holes on the crank baits with
a with a toothpick from you know, filling up with water.
And that's one percent from guar hitting that crank bait
and tearing it up.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
There's a guy that sent me that, yall. I mentioned
him to uh to j D.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I think you knowing Rick the Backer.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, Ricked the Backer.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Yeah, he's said he's been listening to show for a
long time and wants to do some fish in the spring.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
So I will be taking him and.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
His Yeah, he's a good guy. He's a say you hey, Charlie,
he's a he's a helicopter pilot so for the Sheriff's office.
So he's a good friend of ours. But yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
So are you going hunting us?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I am. I'm gonna go getting trees. Stand this afternoon
and take my wife. Maybe she'll maybe that big buck
will walk out on her. We've I I was was
a little bit worried. I've got a really, really really
probably one hundred and fifty inch deer buck coming into
one of our food plots. And I hadn't seen him
for over a week. Now, the root starts and they
all start moving around, and they'll leave and go chase

(48:16):
dose and there you know, their range where their home
range probably is more than a quarter of a mile
in any direction. When the root starts, they'll some of
them will have a several mile long circuit that they'll
travel around, you know. And I hadn't seen him in
about a week, and I was like, man, I'm afraid
somebody had killed him, because he's he's an absolute wallhanger
in any any state in the country. He's a wallhanger,

(48:39):
big big buck. And uh, he showed back up last night.
So that got me ready to go get in the tree.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Now do you hunt, Charlie at your on you said
you do it, pot.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Well, my wife hunts, you know, my boy he likes to.
I hunt, but I hunt mainly from meat. I mean
where we're at, it's seldom that you see a big
monster buck. I mean after Hurricane Michael blew through. Yeah,
the next year there were a bunch of big bucks
because people kind of missed the hunting season, so a
lot of those deer got a year older. Yeah, that

(49:11):
makes a big difference. But there's not huge hunting leases
right around us necessarily. It's just everybody kind of hunting,
and so everybody's I hope there's an eight point, I
gotta shoot it. And so if there's an eight point
walking around, somebody's shooting it. So to get into any
real mature eight points or ten points or anything bigger
than that, it's very very rare. And Highways seventy three

(49:32):
around my house is like slaughter highway for deer. I
mean it's it's I've never seen so many deer in
the last year. Baby. Maybe we're overpopulated. But since we
quit having road crops on our farm and now we
just have behead grass and cutting hay, we just don't
see as many. And I'm hoping this year changed the
dynamic changes just a little bit because now since there's

(49:53):
not all the crops and there's the nearest road crops
are away, so off you got to go down the
road a little bit, that they'll go to the food
plots in the corn a little you know, a little
bit better than in the past. But you know, I
always hope that my wife gets a big, big buck
or or you know, my son. My son got him
a smaller rifle last year so he can get up

(50:15):
down a tree stand. He didn't want to hunt in
the big condo stands. He goes, I want to go
where the big deer are. Daddy, and I just, you know,
tired of looking at the doe and I said, well,
the doze eat, you know. But he but I got
him a small rifle that we're going to put him
in some of the tripod type stands this year and
let him. I'd rather him shoot one than me all

(50:36):
day long. I mean, you know, we all kind of
feel that way. It's kind of like you, I'd rather
that kid catch that fish than me at this point, absolutely,
I just you know, I'd rather be paying the amount
of one and his on his walk.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Going by Buck Creek, New process in this afternoon. For
the second deer I killed this year, had had my
first one back. The second one I killed this year,
I had it all sausage so half hallopeno cheddar and
half smoke sausage, and it's ready, and I'm gonna go
get it. I'm ready to throw some of it on
the grill.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
We we processed so much meat a couple of years
ago when we had depredation promise that we're still eating
needs from that. So it's not like I'm I know
who cleans all the day around my house and who
processes to meat. That's the same of them.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
We all work together. I load it up and drop
it off to them folks at Buck Creek and they
do all of that. I ain't even got to get bloody.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
We'll see all next time.