In This Hour:
-- Tom helps surprise a 12-year old with the Gun Talk GT30 Scout Rifle that he'll use on his first deer hunt. In addition to the surprise, and the custom loaded ammunition, Tom provided a flight where the young man spent most of the time flying the plane.
-- Gun Owners Of America holds its second GOALS Conference, and Ryan Gresham gives a quick rundown on what he saw there.
-- Shotguns factor into most people's choices in the 4-gun challenge.
Gun Talk 08.10.25 Hour 2
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-- Tom helps surprise a 12-year old with the Gun Talk GT30 Scout Rifle that he'll use on his first deer hunt. In addition to the surprise, and the custom loaded ammunition, Tom provided a flight where the young man spent most of the time flying the plane.
-- Gun Owners Of America holds its second GOALS Conference, and Ryan Gresham gives a quick rundown on what he saw there.
-- Shotguns factor into most people's choices in the 4-gun challenge.
Gun Talk 08.10.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh yeah, we're still hanging around and having fun. I'm
Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk. I love that interview
we did with Terren Butler.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
He's teaching these Hollywood stars to not just look good
in movies, but to actually be good shooters. They are amazing.
Of course, he's amazing by himself when he say nine
different disciplines. Now he's a grandmaster, and that's unbelievable. So
that was fun and a little bit. I'm going to
tell you this story about surprising this young man with
a g T thirty rifle. Going to be his first
(00:45):
deer hunt. He'll be able to use that all so
that's going to be fun. But first I want to
bring in an old hand here, Ryan Gresham from Gun
Talk Headquarters. Just return from Knoxville, Tennessee, where Ryan, you
were at the Gun Owners of America conference.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean people have heard of the NRA show,
but everybody knows you have other gun rights groups and
Gunners of America is another one that's fighting the good fight.
And they started the Goals Conference. It's their own conference.
It's opened the public, and this is year two for
it in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, And they do I know, they do second them
at activism and seminars and things like that. But they
also have an exhibit hall kind of a miniature shot
or NRA show.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Would that be fair?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It was at the Knoxville Convention Center downtown and you
have booths from all kinds of different companies within the
gun industry. It was I didn't really know what to expect.
It was my first year going. It was a pretty
nice size show. They had a lot of companies in there,
but they had just for the media. They had a
range day the day before, and I thought I'd tell
(02:01):
you guys a little bit of some of the things
that were there, and some of the things I saw.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Absolutely, Yeah, this would be like a supernoper range aboard.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah. So, so deep in the hills of Tennessee at
some range, follow the GPS coordinates and you show up
in a mountain somewhere and you had a good variety
of companies there, some big ones like you think of
Taurus and Barrett, but then you also had some little
(02:30):
guys there. And one of the first ones I walked
into and just saw there. I mean, when you sell
the guns, you go what and the heck. And the
companies called Reren Metalworks w R e N like the
Bird Wren and they're out of Oregon, and there are
these custom lever guns, lever actions and just amazing Sarah
(02:55):
coot work amazing configurations. But also they're building their own
silences that are integral to the gun. And we're not
talking a regular like five to seven inch long inch
inch diameter silencer. We're talking about a ten to fourteen
inch long, two to three inches in diameter silence, a
(03:17):
huge that are integrated into the guns, okay, and just
really cool looking. And obviously when you have that much
volume on a silencer, it gets it's very quiet and
it controls recoil. So it was just it was cool
to see little companies doing neat things.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's impressive, and yeah, you would get a lot of
reduction in the noise. I mean, if you're shooting a
sub sonic like a thirty eight Special or something like that,
out of it that they would be like really.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Quiet, really quiet. And I think that's a movement we're
seeing right now is people own a lot of guns.
They own lots of polymer pistols and ars and hunting
guns or whatever. And I think there's a movie went
towards just kind of guns for the sake of being
fun and different and experimenting and having fun at the
(04:08):
range and saying, Okay, how quiet can we make it
or how much can we reduce the recoil. That was
actually another thing I saw at one of the booths
was a silencer co obviously silencer company, and they've got
a new and forgive me, I don't remember what it's called,
but they have a new product that is a muzzle
(04:30):
break that goes on the end of a silencer, and
that's kind of different. But what's happening is these Precision
Rifle Series Shooters, NRL Hunter Shooters, long range precision rifle competitions.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
For a while a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Were using silencers in those competitions, but they weren't really
doing it to silence it as much as they want
to control recoil so you can stay in the gun
during the show and look through the optic and see
your hit or see your miss. Well, what they figured
out was the really good muzzle breaks were better at
controlling recoil than the silencers, and so they kind of
(05:13):
all switched back to muzzle breaks and not running suppressed.
But evidently this is a little bit of the best
of both worlds.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So you've got of a hybrid, you got a silencer
or a suppressor, and you put a mosor brake on
so it's quieter and you're reducing the require, which, as
you say, for that game, what you really are doing,
it's not how it hits your shoulder. You're trying to
reduce mosaise so you can see the hits through the scope.
Because when you can see that, you can say, okay,
I'm three inches to the right. Then the second shot,
(05:44):
your follow up shop you adjust and you've actually don
your own spotting in.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
The scope exactly exactly. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So that was kind of something that was interesting that
I guess they actually reduced or released earlier this year,
but I hadn't seen it yet, so it was new
to me. I'll tell you the moment I stepped out
of the car at the range day, I hadn't put
on my ear pro yet and I wasn't that far
from the range, and I discovered that they had an
unsuppressed fifty bmng bean shot. It goes off like this
(06:16):
big womb and you think I better take cover.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
It was actually Thompson of the of the guys who
do Tommy guns. They had a fifty and it was amazing,
you know. Yeah, I mean, huge blast, huge muzzle break
on this fifty. On the other end of the same
little bay you had Barrett obviously known for fifties, but
theirs was suppressed and I mean that's a big, huge
(06:47):
suppressor on it.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
But worked great.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean it was it reduced the noise and the
recoil for the people shooting that gun.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Wow, what a contrast to compare those two right there
next to each other.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, well that is pretty much fun.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And so you've got a chance to look at some
of these smaller companies, which brings me to the subject
of we know the big companies.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, you got Smith.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Western and Ruger and Springfield and all that, But there are,
in fact a lot of small companies making really cool
things all over the country.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, there really are. I mean you don't. We and
we enjoy the big companies are making good stuff. But
if you if you're feeling like well, I mean, what
else am I going to get? It's just it's another
polymer piss or whatever. You can. You can scratch that
itch of finding some new fun things out there if
you look.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, exactly right. You poke around and you find something
out there. So as you walk the halls, what was
the crowd like and kind of how did you get
a sense for the event itself?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I think that well, they have the show floor with
a lot of booths people looking at products, and then
they had seminar halls where there were speakers and people talking,
whether it was social media people or politicians or whatever.
But I think that seems like the show is still growing.
But I mean I talked to a few people who
(08:15):
had just driven in to just just check it out
and see what it was all about. And I mean
people were excited. And I tell you what, they're starting
to talk about midterms.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know that, oh yeah yeah, and we're going to
start talking about that as well. I know we're going
to have Blake Meguez on here in a week or two,
so he's running for US Senate, So we'll talk about
that a bit. A lot of things going on, but
if I could, and I didn't tell you, I want
to do this, and I want to switch over because
you just posted some of the first classes for range
(08:49):
Ready studios for the fall, and those are up on
the website now, but I wanted to let people know
those are not the only classes you're going to have.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yes, we we posted a basic pistol or a few
different classes on the from now through the end of
the year, and we'll be posting more.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
We've got a.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Basic pistol, a one day basic pistol. We've got a
three day semi auto operator class and we've run it
as a two day, but we decided to make a
three day because you can just make so much more
progress when you look that third day you hit your
stride with it. We've got a car being class and
we've got some more on the way, so just giving
(09:30):
people some options on training.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Also, you're going to offer again the incredible Diagnostic Pistol
Instructor class, which is amazing. It's it's not a beginner's class,
but if you want to become a better shooter, also
a better instructor, or becoming an instructor. It's got that,
but this class will really tune you up and make
you a good shooter.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, that's a neat class and that's one that Chris
Sereno is designed over the years of how do you
actually diagnose your own shooting and other people shooting and
help them get better? And that's kind of a special
class that we offer that not really many people do
that type of class.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right, No, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So as the fall, and also people will get on
the list because you're sending out the email list some
of these classes and you're going to be doing some
of the experiences again this fall, they're going to sell
out very quickly.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh yeah, we don't. These aren't huge classes, so it's
limited availability. We try to keep them that way because
we want to have the instructor to student ratio where
it's a pretty small ratio and give people the attention
they need for safety and also just giving them a
good instruction because we really truly love watching people make progress.
(10:45):
And I don't care if you've been shooting for decades,
if you haven't done a class that's a multi day
class like this, I promise you will be amazed. At
the improvement and how good you can get it shooting.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And you know the other thing that happens and it
actually goes along with that is on the second day.
By the time they get to the second day, they're
smiling all the time because they're having fun. But they're
really having fun because they're getting better and learning things.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, that the first few hours you may be drinking
from a fire hose. Yeah, but yeah, it takes a
little bit to start kind of getting comfortable. And now
you get more comfortable with certain aspects and you can
it's kind of like driving a car, right, I mean,
where you're not just freaked out about staying in between
the lines and you can actually start improving other things
(11:37):
exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, right, I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I didn't know if there's anything else that you want
specifically wanted to cover this time.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Oh, that's about it. I mean, you guys, just stay
tuned to what we're doing. Go over to the guntalkwebsite
gun talk dot com and sign up to the email.
You'll find out about the classes and the cool new
content we're putting out there.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
You go and you can check out our new gun
Talk Rifle the GT thirty very good.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, you need to get one of those.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Thanks Ran.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We'll talk later, all right, eighty six six talk gun.
We'll get you in here. I'm Tom gresh to be
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Carry on, Tom.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That guy is plugged into two hundred and twenty volts
all the time, isn't he. Oh my gosh. So I
did this thing this last week. And let me back
up because Ryan actually mentioned the DPI class, the Diagnostic.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Pistol Instructure Class.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So last time we had that in December last year,
I went down to Louisiana. I took the class myself,
and I met a man there who lives in Boise,
which is not far from where I live in Idaho,
and we hit it off and got to talking and
had a good time. And then he contacts me. He said, Hey,
I just heard about your Gt. Thirty rifle, and I
(15:49):
want to get one of those for my twelve year
old son. I said, oh, that'd be cool. He said,
boll here's what I want to do. And he said,
what I want to do is drive up to where
you are. And I bring him up there and he
doesn't know what we're doing, and he listens to the
show too, and we'll run into you. Just happened to
bump into you somewhere and we get to talking and
(16:11):
then somewhere in the process and we'll talk about this
new rifle and all. Well, it went on and on,
and we come up with this plan. So Brian comes up.
He drives up with his son and we bump into
each other at a burger place and thunder Mountain Burgers,
by the way, really a good place, really good burgers,
(16:33):
and so we said, well, let's have lunch together. So
we're sitting and talking, having a good time and talking
about the gun talk gun, the GT. Thirty And I said, well,
you know, I've got one of those. Actually got a
couple of those over in the hangar, were right by
the airport here. He says, really, I said, well, would
you like to see one he said, oh, yeah, I'd
like to see that. That'd be cool. And his son
(16:54):
Oliver says, well, yeah, we'll go look at it. Says
but you know I'm going to end up owning one
of those, right if we took a.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Look at it. So we're laughing. So okay, So we.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Go over to the airport and go into the hangar
and I'm show them the rifles and they're owing and
on over and doing the whole thing. And then Brian
brings out one from his car and presents it to
twelve year old Oliver. He's going into the seventh grade,
and it's just like his eyes are so big and
(17:22):
this was so cool, and he's just thinking because he's
got his first deer hunt lined up this year, so
he's going to use this on his deer hunt. And
so then I went over and brought some AMMO back.
I said, well, and I've actually made you custom Hammo
for your rifle. That's loaded down. It's low recoil three
oweight am He got the three oweight version. So he's
(17:43):
going to be hunting with his three oweight in his Gt.
Thirty rifle. He's got it all fixed up with a
really nice loophole scope, and I said, we're going to
take a group picture of this. I said, well, wait
a minute. You know what makes a really good background
for a picture like that. I said, let's open the
hangar door, pull the airplane out, and let's pose in
(18:04):
front of the airplane.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh that'd be cool. So we did that to take
the pictures.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
To get all that, I said, we don't as long
as we got the airplane out.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Am I interested in flying? So we load up. I
put Oliver in the co pilot's seat.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We get him a couple of cushions to sit on,
and we take off and we get up about five
hundred feet. I said, right, aller your airplane. Where do
you want to go? He said what I said, No,
you're flying the airplane. Grab hold of that thing up there.
So he grabs the yok. I said, you can go
anywhere you want to. Left, right, I'll take care of
the up and down. Let's go, And we flew all
over the countryside and he's flying that thing and having
a ball, and I'm just making sure we're you know,
(18:41):
it's safe.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Everything's good.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And he gets a call from his mom while we're flying,
and he's telling her what we're doing while we're in
the air, and then we come back around land on
the back country airstrip and then fly back and go back.
So send them all their way. They had a great time.
So he got a new rifle. He's got this new
deer hunt going. We got some custom loaded AMMO. We
got a flight, he got to fly to the airplane,
got some pictures. So I don't know if he had fun,
(19:08):
but I know that I had a lot of fun
doing that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So that was just a hoot, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And everybody's reaction to that rifle is almost identical. Every
time they opened the box. It's wow. I had no
idea that this thing was so good looking. Yeah, that's
what everybody says. Just it is a gorgeous rifle, it
really is. So you can get in three or eight
(19:36):
or five, five, six, pretty cool stuff. Jim says, you're
going to do that kind of customer service for everyone.
Would that I could, but for twelve year olds, I
am happy to go out of my way when I can,
And let's go grab Steve online three out of Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Hey Steve, you're on Gun Talk. What you got?
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yeah, So I'm great day. Yeah, you're the only guy
I know that has one grandchild named Parker and another
grandchild named Elsie Smith.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Okay, So if we can only have four guns, you know,
you got a list of a dozen anymore. But if
you can only have four, the first one has to
be in the ar platform because it gives you so
many choices. Okay, So by five, six, and then the
twenty two convergence. So that's that's one piece of it, right,
(20:34):
and then any upper that fits the same mag or
fits the lower.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now you push the envelope, I've getting one gun, but
all these uppers.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Well, six five rand doll get out three and the
sight magazine? Why the lower? If the lower touch the rules,
then whatever you do with the other, it's on you.
You got kind of one. So gun number two probably
would be a ten milimeter Semiato, probably a Block twenty
(21:08):
because the magazines are compatible with the ruder.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Car being.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Oh okay, so there's guns two and three, okay, and uh,
I mean maybe a twelve gage Jerry Mitch mc nine
forty or something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, hard to go on with that.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Go and hunting you could do kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and use different kind of AMMO in it. You
could do all sorts of things. So I like it.
So we've got a d R with all the different
upbers you can get for that, a glock twenty, a
ruger carbing and ten milimeter also, and then a twelve
gage shotgun. I stay here. I think you did well.
You pushed the envelope, which is what it's all about.
As we like to say, if you're not cheating, you're
(21:50):
not trying, and that's not really cheating. You were within
the boundaries. You know, it's okay to push right up
against the line.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
If you had to pick just four guns, got rid
of all the rest of them, what would your choices be?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Hey, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Got to tell you. I had a great week helping
out Oliver and getting in that first GT thirty.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Hey, there's some development on this ongoing saga controversy on
the cig P three twenty pistol on whether it fires
by itself, and this deal that happened with the Air
Force person who got killed, and I'll give you some
updates on that in just a few minutes here, But
first I want.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
To go to the phones line five.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
We got Doug's called in from Martinsburg, West Virginia with
I think our first real no kidden range report on
the GT. Thirty rifle. Doug, you got one, huh.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Hey, Tom?
Speaker 7 (22:55):
I got two?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Two?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Well, I couldn't make up my mind if I wanted
the five, five, six of the three eight, so I
just bought both of them.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You are a man after my own heart, Okay, So
what do you think?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Well, it was funny. The lady at the gunshop that
I had to shifted into said when she came out,
she said, I normally don't fondle over people's new firearms
when they came in, but I just had to see
that one when it came out of the box.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Really yeah, Wow.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
They were really impressed.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
What'd you think?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I was really impressed. I took it out. I have
a little range here at the house and put it
on sandbags, both of them, and right out of the
box after pulling a patch through the boar. I was
getting one to four inch groups out of each one
of them, depending on what ammunition I was shooting and
whether I was doing my part. And they were to
(23:57):
a tee three inches high dead center at one hundred
yards through the small aperture.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh, this is using the iron sights.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Oh yeah, Oh okay, I haven't mounted optics on them yet.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Holy yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Wednesday, one to four inch groups at one hundred yards
using the aperture site.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yes, now I was shooting it off bags, off a bench, but.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I said, yeah, But still, that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I was really impressed.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So all right, so you shot both of them. You're
going to put optics on them. I am assuming, but
at this point, just with the look, the way they shoot,
the way they feel, the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Take them out of the box. What's your overall impression?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
These things are amazing.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
You guys.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You guys did a beautiful job in the design, working
with lipsies and h and rug.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
They're just really really impressive.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Yeah, looks gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It is. It's core.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's the thing I keep talking about people saying it's
a rifle. No, No, when you open the box, you go,
holy cow, of that thing's gorgeous. That's what everybody says.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, you know, I have I have several that are
just you know, I think Sereno would call them the
soul of plastic guns. Uh that are you know, just utilitarian. Uh,
and these things are just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, I know what I want to ask you, what
do you think of the trigger?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Out of the box?
Speaker 6 (25:31):
I was, I was impressed. They're the ones just a
tad lighter. I didn't put a gauge on them.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Then the other I may tune it up a little bit,
but that uh, you know set trigger with where they
are are are perfect for field use. You know, they're
not set up at a at a target weight. No, No,
they were absolutely fine.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And they're adjustable. I mean I liked the way mine
felt out of the box. It was about three pounds
ballpark three three and a half pounds, which is that's
kind of where I like them for hunting. But if, yeah,
if I was gonna be doing pharmat shooting or target shooting.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I would light it down a little bit. But it's easy.
It's fully adjustable.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
For for what these guns are designed for, I think
it's a it's a perfect setup.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So what's your plan As far as optics.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I've got a Vortex scout scope on the way at
two to seven with quick disconnect rings.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I ordered.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I ordered that it should be in first of the week. Here,
give that a try. See how that works, you know.
And I've got a couple of different pieces of glass
I can try out on them. But after I got
them here, I just had to get them out in
the range and try him.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So which rifle are you going to put the scout
scope on?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I'm probably gonna do it on I'm going to try
it on both. I'll probably put it on the five
five six first. You know, it's just fun to shoot.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
You no recoil at all.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
And what's cool about it is, you know three eight
and a five five six the trajectory at range are
very similar to each other. Yes, And you can practice
with the you know, with two twenty three ammunition and
pick one up up one gun or the other with
an optic and the holder is going to be the same.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You know, you're not the first person who's contacting me
to say, Look, I bought both of them for pretty
much that reason. So I could shoot the two two
three all the time five five six and then shoot
the three of eight when I want to, and I'm
shooting cheaper, m less recoil, and the trajectory is pretty
much the same, and you can get both of them
for the cost of a lot of regular boltax and rifles.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah, yeah, I I sent both Chris and kJ a
text last night while I was on the range and
told them what a wonderful job these things were going.
And I said, I'm gonna call Tom tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Oh that's great. I appreciate it. I'm so glad you did.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's it's one thing for me to say, hey, you know,
we made a great rifle. It's another thing for somebody
who actually put his hard earned money down and say, hey,
let me tell you about these things, because you know,
it's kind of easy to get buyers remorse when you
open the box and go, ah, that's not what I
thought I was getting.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, yeah, there was none of that with these.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well that's really good.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well again, I thank you for you know, the range report,
and hey, thanks for the business. As we say, you know,
we don't really make a lot of money on this.
It's just a fun project.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So we get to go, you know, we get to
do the what if what if we did this?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Let me go to Lipsy's and they go, well, yeah,
we could also do this, And then we go to
Ruger they say you know, but what you really want
to do is this, and we're all just sitting around.
It's like a bunch of kids saying, hey, let's make
a cool gun here, and that's what we end up with.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I went to the gun shop before I ordered them
and handled a ranch rifle just to see how it
helped and everything. And I really like the way it
felt and I thought, ooh, all that needs is a
set of iron sights on it.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
It would be perfect. And you guys did it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
There you go, all right, thanks so much for your call.
I appreciate it. Enjoy that rifle. I hope that really
works for you, all right, you know. And by the way,
if you want to see more about what we're talking about,
I go to gun talkscout dot com. That's it's a
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A lot of different ways to go.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
All right. My number here is eight six six.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
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You know how much buddy is just goofing off coming
up with ideas to make a new gun.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You go, oh, let's do this thing. We'll sell a
few hundred of them. You know.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Basically it's a chance for everybody to play a little bit.
And then who knows, and sometimes we've done this and
then the manufacturer says, you know, that's a pretty cool idea.
We might want to add that to the line. You go, okay,
that's fine. I mean, once we're done with our gun
talk runs like, we're not in the gun business.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
That's not what we do.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
But we get to play around with this stuff and
we get to work with really smart, creative people like
Jason over at Lipsey's and work with the folks over
at Ruger who are great about accommodating us and saying.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, we could do that.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And often they'll say, yeah, yes, but you know, here's
a little different idea you may want to do. Sometimes
it's just because it makes the production easier for them,
and sometimes it's you may.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Not have thought of this one. This would be.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Cool because they're gun people too, So there you go.
All right, let's grab line one.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Benny's with us out of Corpus Christi, Texas.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We're playing the if you could only have four guns,
what would they be?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
All right, Benny, you have the floor. What are your choices?
Speaker 13 (33:11):
Yeah, good afternoon, tom My. Four would start off with
my Mossburg five hundred. I've peaked it into a tactical
shotgun and I would pump it full of buckshot. Okay,
then Savage one ten in three or eight, my Smith
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and Wesson M and P compact, the two point zero
model and nine milimeter, and a twenty two caliber Winchester
semi automatic rifle.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Interesting, okay, I thought we were going to get an
ar in there, but we did not.
Speaker 13 (33:49):
No, sir, I've got a couple.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
But you know, yeah, the good choices. I like them,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I also like I like the pop aspect of it,
because in terms of reliability, I do like.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
A pump shotgun. Oh yes, sir, nice, okay, I like it.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think you got a real solid group there, and
there's not a lot you couldn't do with that, and
that savage three a weight takes care of.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
All your hunting and all of that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
And even if you needed to get into a sniper
situation or self defense with the bolt, you'd have that
going for you too. Thank you, Benny, appreciate that. Let's
grab Floyd out of Shreeport, Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
He's online.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Four.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Hey Floyd, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Hey hey Tom, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I am great? What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Sir?
Speaker 13 (34:38):
I was?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I know you're the firearms guru.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I just make it up as I go, man.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I was interested in buying at a local paw shop
in Streeport with teas nineteen eleven from Turkey.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, tea soacks, sir. It's called a tea sauce te sauce.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yes, sir. I like the old school design of it.
I have a six hour T two twenty but the
trigger I don't like. It's got too big of a
curve in it. Yep, And after a buck of Challs,
it's don't hurt my finger.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Also, the P two twenty is a big pistol. I mean,
people think of a nineteen eleven as being big, but
I think the P two twenty is even larger in
my hand. And I just I kind of like the
feel of a standard regular traditional nineteen eleven guess.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
And I was wondering if you had any reviews of it.
The people I talked to, all the reviews I say
it says it's a good pistol.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think the saus is making good stuff, and it's affordable,
and some of them, like you said, they're making a
lot of different configurations and you can get it like
a traditional World War two kind of style or a
good dolled up ninety eleven styles. But if you found
one of a pawn shop or someplace, is it a
good price?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Listen, it's about two fifty.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, okay, forty five or nine milimeter.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I can do it. Plus I can put they got
a Chrystmas special ten dollars down lailway and you take
the Christmas play it out so it's not financially hurting nobody.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Or right, right, let me ask you.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
My four guns? Is the AR fifteen I got a
I got a DPMs. I didn't like the round four
hand grips on them, so I changed it to the triangles. Okay, well, mom,
is like the original M sixteen Vietnam style, right. I
got a Stoker twelve gage pump Winchester seventy three or
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eight and a Taurus t X twenty two.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
See.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Okay, so you threw in the fifth win for land yap,
as we like to say in Louisiana.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
I like it, shour forty five and just put the
money down on the tea hoss.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
All right, I think good choice is there. I like
the fact that when I asked for four, you give
me five or six. That's the man who says that, Yeah,
that sounds good. But you know, if I was really
going to be doing it, I'd go with five or six.
Nothing to work wrong with that as well. As I said,
we call it in Louisiana, they call that land yapp.
Don't even try to spell that, but it's that's the
extra you get thrown in. Others might call it a
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Baker's dozen, and that works as well. So, I mean
the question on the floor is if you had to
get down to only four guns, right for shotgun, handgun, whatever, however,
any mix you want, any calories, any cartridges, any you know,
shot shells, bare links, every configuration, automatic, semi automatic. Hey,
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oh that's the thought. Oh could you include a fully
automatic in that? Well, you know what, as long as
it's our game, it's our rules, Yes you could. Okay,
all bets are off now they can full out of
in here as well. Okay, now you get your thinking
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cap on, you go. Whoa, whoa. I don't have any
of those, But if I could have those, would I
add those to it?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yes? I would.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
As a matter of fact, it would be man, I'd
be hard pressed not to get a Thompson. I mean,
I don't need a Thompson.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I don't know what I'd do with the Thompson. I
just think it's one of the coolest guns ever made.
And there if you ever get a chance to shoot one,
you gotta do it because they're heavy, and they're loud,
and there's some recoil and they move around and he
just leave your smiling and you go, oh my god,
that's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, I think I put a Thompson on my list.
In a few minutes, don't.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
We're gonna talk a little bit more about this sig
P three twenty controversy.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Just when everybody had figured out, Okay, this is where.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's going, this is what's going on, then some things
happened this past week where you go, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That muddy the waters. Maybe it's not what I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Maybe it's not doing what people are Well, we'll fill
you in on that when we come back here, but
I do want to take a couple of minutes and
tell you about something. We're in our thirtieth year of
doing gun talk radio. When we started out, and I'm
not big on certainly not big on committees, committee meetings
and anything like that, but I decided to write a
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mission statement. And that's very much not like me. I
don't I just don't think that way. But for whatever reason,
it's like, ok, why are you doing this? What are
you going to do with this? What's the plan? And
my idea was, Okay, two things. One keep it really simple,
and two make it as big as you can possibly imagine,
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because if you if you don't think big, you can't
do big. It's one of the things I've taught my kids.
You have to imagine and think about doing really big things.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
And strive for that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
In the process, you'll do some pretty good stuff and
maybe I end up doing some big things. So this
is the mission statement and has been for thirty years
for gun Talk, and that's what are we doing. The
plan is to permanently change the way guns and gun
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owners are viewed in America.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
That's the entire mission statement, to permanently change the way
guns and gun owners are viewed in America. My idea
then and today is the same. When you move public opinion,
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you set it up to win. You set up the
public to accept your ideas, to be open to information,
and you only have to move public opinion two or
three ticks on the meter if there was a meter,
And I think we are well on our way to
doing that. You know, more than fifty years ago, people
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Wohl asked, more than half the people said they favored
banning the private ownership of handguns. That's down to like,
you know, twelve percent or something like that. Now, it's
crazy changing public opinion. When you change public opinion, you
win elections. When you change public opinion, eventually you start
to win court cases. Think about what's happened in the
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last thirty years. And now, look, I'm not saying I'm
responsible for this all by myself. A lot of people
have been involved in this, but I was the first
in a lot of categories. First national radio talk show
about guns, the first podcast about guns created, the first
TV show about self defense with guns, created, the first
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online video hosting site with videos about guns, a lot
of things like that. The idea is to reach out
so that the general public, not the hardcore gun people,
but the general public look at that and go, Wow,
these guys in gals sound like they're having fun. They
sound reasonable and fact you know what, They sound like
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they would be fun to hang out with. When you
do that, they're no longer talking about those gun nuts.
They're talking about people who sound reasonable and sound like
they're having fun. People would go spend an afternoon with
that the range maybe, which leads me to if you
want to be a part of this, one of the
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things you can do that's the easiest thing in the
world is invite people to go shooting with you. People
you know a lot, people you know hardly at all,
people you never met. You just run into them and
start a conversation. Yeah, I'd love to shoot. Would you
like to go to the range? NSSF did a study.
They said that half the women surveyed said if someone
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would ask them to go shooting, they would.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
What's stopping you from inviting.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Somebody to going to the range, to permanently change the
way guns and gun owners are viewed as America.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
That's my mission statement. Maybe it'd like to make it yours.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh yeah, we're still hanging around and having fun. I'm
Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk. I love that interview
we did with Terren Butler.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
He's teaching these Hollywood stars to not just look good
in movies, but to actually be good shooters. They are amazing.
Of course, he's amazing by himself when he say nine
different disciplines. Now he's a grandmaster, and that's unbelievable. So
that was fun and a little bit. I'm going to
tell you this story about surprising this young man with
a g T thirty rifle. Going to be his first
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deer hunt. He'll be able to use that all so
that's going to be fun. But first I want to
bring in an old hand here, Ryan Gresham from Gun
Talk Headquarters. Just return from Knoxville, Tennessee, where Ryan, you
were at the Gun Owners of America conference.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean people have heard of the NRA show,
but everybody knows you have other gun rights groups and
Gunners of America is another one that's fighting the good fight.
And they started the Goals Conference. It's their own conference.
It's opened the public, and this is year two for
it in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, And they do I know, they do second them
at activism and seminars and things like that. But they
also have an exhibit hall kind of a miniature shot
or NRA show.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Would that be fair?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It was at the Knoxville Convention Center downtown and you
have booths from all kinds of different companies within the
gun industry. It was I didn't really know what to expect.
It was my first year going. It was a pretty
nice size show. They had a lot of companies in there,
but they had just for the media. They had a
range day the day before, and I thought I'd tell
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you guys a little bit of some of the things
that were there, and some of the things I saw.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Absolutely, Yeah, this would be like a supernoper range aboard.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah. So, so deep in the hills of Tennessee at
some range, follow the GPS coordinates and you show up
in a mountain somewhere and you had a good variety
of companies there, some big ones like you think of
Taurus and Barrett, but then you also had some little
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guys there. And one of the first ones I walked
into and just saw there. I mean, when you sell
the guns, you go what and the heck. And the
companies called Reren Metalworks w R e N like the
Bird Wren and they're out of Oregon, and there are
these custom lever guns, lever actions and just amazing Sarah
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coot work amazing configurations. But also they're building their own
silences that are integral to the gun. And we're not
talking a regular like five to seven inch long inch
inch diameter silencer. We're talking about a ten to fourteen
inch long, two to three inches in diameter silence, a
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huge that are integrated into the guns, okay, and just
really cool looking. And obviously when you have that much
volume on a silencer, it gets it's very quiet and
it controls recoil. So it was just it was cool
to see little companies doing neat things.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's impressive, and yeah, you would get a lot of
reduction in the noise. I mean, if you're shooting a
sub sonic like a thirty eight Special or something like that,
out of it that they would be like really.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Quiet, really quiet. And I think that's a movement we're
seeing right now is people own a lot of guns.
They own lots of polymer pistols and ars and hunting
guns or whatever. And I think there's a movie went
towards just kind of guns for the sake of being
fun and different and experimenting and having fun at the
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range and saying, Okay, how quiet can we make it
or how much can we reduce the recoil. That was
actually another thing I saw at one of the booths
was a silencer co obviously silencer company, and they've got
a new and forgive me, I don't remember what it's called,
but they have a new product that is a muzzle
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break that goes on the end of a silencer, and
that's kind of different. But what's happening is these Precision
Rifle Series Shooters, NRL Hunter Shooters, long range precision rifle competitions.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
For a while a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Were using silencers in those competitions, but they weren't really
doing it to silence it as much as they want
to control recoil so you can stay in the gun
during the show and look through the optic and see
your hit or see your miss. Well, what they figured
out was the really good muzzle breaks were better at
controlling recoil than the silencers, and so they kind of
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all switched back to muzzle breaks and not running suppressed.
But evidently this is a little bit of the best
of both worlds.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So you've got of a hybrid, you got a silencer
or a suppressor, and you put a mosor brake on
so it's quieter and you're reducing the require, which, as
you say, for that game, what you really are doing,
it's not how it hits your shoulder. You're trying to
reduce mosaise so you can see the hits through the scope.
Because when you can see that, you can say, okay,
I'm three inches to the right. Then the second shot,
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your follow up shop you adjust and you've actually don
your own spotting in.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
The scope exactly exactly. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So that was kind of something that was interesting that
I guess they actually reduced or released earlier this year,
but I hadn't seen it yet, so it was new
to me. I'll tell you the moment I stepped out
of the car at the range day, I hadn't put
on my ear pro yet and I wasn't that far
from the range, and I discovered that they had an
unsuppressed fifty bmng bean shot. It goes off like this
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big womb and you think I better take cover.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
It was actually Thompson of the of the guys who
do Tommy guns. They had a fifty and it was amazing,
you know. Yeah, I mean, huge blast, huge muzzle break
on this fifty. On the other end of the same
little bay you had Barrett obviously known for fifties, but
theirs was suppressed and I mean that's a big, huge
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suppressor on it.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
But worked great.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I mean it was it reduced the noise and the
recoil for the people shooting that gun.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Wow, what a contrast to compare those two right there
next to each other.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, well that is pretty much fun.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And so you've got a chance to look at some
of these smaller companies, which brings me to the subject
of we know the big companies.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, you got Smith.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Western and Ruger and Springfield and all that, But there are,
in fact a lot of small companies making really cool
things all over the country.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, there really are. I mean you don't. We and
we enjoy the big companies are making good stuff. But
if you if you're feeling like well, I mean, what
else am I going to get? It's just it's another
polymer piss or whatever. You can. You can scratch that
itch of finding some new fun things out there if
you look.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, exactly right. You poke around and you find something
out there. So as you walk the halls, what was
the crowd like and kind of how did you get
a sense for the event itself?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I think that well, they have the show floor with
a lot of booths people looking at products, and then
they had seminar halls where there were speakers and people talking,
whether it was social media people or politicians or whatever.
But I think that seems like the show is still growing.
But I mean I talked to a few people who
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had just driven in to just just check it out
and see what it was all about. And I mean
people were excited. And I tell you what, they're starting
to talk about midterms.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know that, oh yeah yeah, and we're going to
start talking about that as well. I know we're going
to have Blake Meguez on here in a week or two,
so he's running for US Senate, So we'll talk about
that a bit. A lot of things going on, but
if I could, and I didn't tell you, I want
to do this, and I want to switch over because
you just posted some of the first classes for range
(08:49):
Ready studios for the fall, and those are up on
the website now, but I wanted to let people know
those are not the only classes you're going to have.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yes, we we posted a basic pistol or a few
different classes on the from now through the end of
the year, and we'll be posting more.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
We've got a.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Basic pistol, a one day basic pistol. We've got a
three day semi auto operator class and we've run it
as a two day, but we decided to make a
three day because you can just make so much more
progress when you look that third day you hit your
stride with it. We've got a car being class and
we've got some more on the way, so just giving
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people some options on training.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Also, you're going to offer again the incredible Diagnostic Pistol
Instructor class, which is amazing. It's it's not a beginner's class,
but if you want to become a better shooter, also
a better instructor, or becoming an instructor. It's got that,
but this class will really tune you up and make
you a good shooter.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, that's a neat class and that's one that Chris
Sereno is designed over the years of how do you
actually diagnose your own shooting and other people shooting and
help them get better? And that's kind of a special
class that we offer that not really many people do
that type of class.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right, No, exactly right.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So as the fall, and also people will get on
the list because you're sending out the email list some
of these classes and you're going to be doing some
of the experiences again this fall, they're going to sell
out very quickly.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh yeah, we don't. These aren't huge classes, so it's
limited availability. We try to keep them that way because
we want to have the instructor to student ratio where
it's a pretty small ratio and give people the attention
they need for safety and also just giving them a
good instruction because we really truly love watching people make progress.
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And I don't care if you've been shooting for decades,
if you haven't done a class that's a multi day
class like this, I promise you will be amazed. At
the improvement and how good you can get it shooting.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And you know the other thing that happens and it
actually goes along with that is on the second day.
By the time they get to the second day, they're
smiling all the time because they're having fun. But they're
really having fun because they're getting better and learning things.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, that the first few hours you may be drinking
from a fire hose. Yeah, but yeah, it takes a
little bit to start kind of getting comfortable. And now
you get more comfortable with certain aspects and you can
it's kind of like driving a car, right, I mean,
where you're not just freaked out about staying in between
the lines and you can actually start improving other things
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exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, right, I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I didn't know if there's anything else that you want
specifically wanted to cover this time.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Oh, that's about it. I mean, you guys, just stay
tuned to what we're doing. Go over to the guntalkwebsite
gun talk dot com and sign up to the email.
You'll find out about the classes and the cool new
content we're putting out there.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
You go and you can check out our new gun
Talk Rifle the GT thirty very good.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, you need to get one of those.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Thanks Ran.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We'll talk later, all right, eighty six six talk gun.
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Speaker 3 (15:02):
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Carry on, Tom.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That guy is plugged into two hundred and twenty volts
all the time, isn't he. Oh my gosh. So I
did this thing this last week. And let me back
up because Ryan actually mentioned the DPI class, the Diagnostic.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Pistol Instructure Class.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So last time we had that in December last year,
I went down to Louisiana. I took the class myself,
and I met a man there who lives in Boise,
which is not far from where I live in Idaho,
and we hit it off and got to talking and
had a good time. And then he contacts me. He said, Hey,
I just heard about your Gt. Thirty rifle, and I
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want to get one of those for my twelve year
old son. I said, oh, that'd be cool. He said,
boll here's what I want to do. And he said,
what I want to do is drive up to where
you are. And I bring him up there and he
doesn't know what we're doing, and he listens to the
show too, and we'll run into you. Just happened to
bump into you somewhere and we get to talking and
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then somewhere in the process and we'll talk about this
new rifle and all. Well, it went on and on,
and we come up with this plan. So Brian comes up.
He drives up with his son and we bump into
each other at a burger place and thunder Mountain Burgers,
by the way, really a good place, really good burgers,
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and so we said, well, let's have lunch together. So
we're sitting and talking, having a good time and talking
about the gun talk gun, the GT. Thirty And I said, well,
you know, I've got one of those. Actually got a
couple of those over in the hangar, were right by
the airport here. He says, really, I said, well, would
you like to see one he said, oh, yeah, I'd
like to see that. That'd be cool. And his son
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Oliver says, well, yeah, we'll go look at it. Says
but you know I'm going to end up owning one
of those, right if we took a.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Look at it. So we're laughing. So okay, So we.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Go over to the airport and go into the hangar
and I'm show them the rifles and they're owing and
on over and doing the whole thing. And then Brian
brings out one from his car and presents it to
twelve year old Oliver. He's going into the seventh grade,
and it's just like his eyes are so big and
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this was so cool, and he's just thinking because he's
got his first deer hunt lined up this year, so
he's going to use this on his deer hunt. And
so then I went over and brought some AMMO back.
I said, well, and I've actually made you custom Hammo
for your rifle. That's loaded down. It's low recoil three
oweight am He got the three oweight version. So he's
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going to be hunting with his three oweight in his Gt.
Thirty rifle. He's got it all fixed up with a
really nice loophole scope, and I said, we're going to
take a group picture of this. I said, well, wait
a minute. You know what makes a really good background
for a picture like that. I said, let's open the
hangar door, pull the airplane out, and let's pose in
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front of the airplane.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh that'd be cool. So we did that to take
the pictures.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
To get all that, I said, we don't as long
as we got the airplane out.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Am I interested in flying? So we load up. I
put Oliver in the co pilot's seat.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We get him a couple of cushions to sit on,
and we take off and we get up about five
hundred feet. I said, right, aller your airplane. Where do
you want to go? He said what I said, No,
you're flying the airplane. Grab hold of that thing up there.
So he grabs the yok. I said, you can go
anywhere you want to. Left, right, I'll take care of
the up and down. Let's go, And we flew all
over the countryside and he's flying that thing and having
a ball, and I'm just making sure we're you know,
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it's safe.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Everything's good.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And he gets a call from his mom while we're flying,
and he's telling her what we're doing while we're in
the air, and then we come back around land on
the back country airstrip and then fly back and go back.
So send them all their way. They had a great time.
So he got a new rifle. He's got this new
deer hunt going. We got some custom loaded AMMO. We
got a flight, he got to fly to the airplane,
got some pictures. So I don't know if he had fun,
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but I know that I had a lot of fun
doing that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So that was just a hoot, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And everybody's reaction to that rifle is almost identical. Every
time they opened the box. It's wow. I had no
idea that this thing was so good looking. Yeah, that's
what everybody says. Just it is a gorgeous rifle, it
really is. So you can get in three or eight
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or five, five, six, pretty cool stuff. Jim says, you're
going to do that kind of customer service for everyone.
Would that I could, but for twelve year olds, I
am happy to go out of my way when I can,
And let's go grab Steve online three out of Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Hey Steve, you're on Gun Talk. What you got?
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yeah, So I'm great day. Yeah, you're the only guy
I know that has one grandchild named Parker and another
grandchild named Elsie Smith.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Okay, So if we can only have four guns, you know,
you got a list of a dozen anymore. But if
you can only have four, the first one has to
be in the ar platform because it gives you so
many choices. Okay, So by five, six, and then the
twenty two convergence. So that's that's one piece of it, right,
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and then any upper that fits the same mag or
fits the lower.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now you push the envelope, I've getting one gun, but
all these uppers.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
Well, six five rand doll get out three and the
sight magazine? Why the lower? If the lower touch the rules,
then whatever you do with the other, it's on you.
You got kind of one. So gun number two probably
would be a ten milimeter Semiato, probably a Block twenty
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because the magazines are compatible with the ruder.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Car being.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Oh okay, so there's guns two and three, okay, and uh,
I mean maybe a twelve gage Jerry Mitch mc nine
forty or something like that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, hard to go on with that.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Go and hunting you could do kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, and use different kind of AMMO in it. You
could do all sorts of things. So I like it.
So we've got a d R with all the different
upbers you can get for that, a glock twenty, a
ruger carbing and ten milimeter also, and then a twelve
gage shotgun. I stay here. I think you did well.
You pushed the envelope, which is what it's all about.
As we like to say, if you're not cheating, you're
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not trying, and that's not really cheating. You were within
the boundaries. You know, it's okay to push right up
against the line.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
If you had to pick just four guns, got rid
of all the rest of them, what would your choices be?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Hey, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Got to tell you. I had a great week helping
out Oliver and getting in that first GT thirty.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
That was fun.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Hey, there's some development on this ongoing saga controversy on
the cig P three twenty pistol on whether it fires
by itself, and this deal that happened with the Air
Force person who got killed, and I'll give you some
updates on that in just a few minutes here, But
first I want.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
To go to the phones line five.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
We got Doug's called in from Martinsburg, West Virginia with
I think our first real no kidden range report on
the GT. Thirty rifle. Doug, you got one, huh.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Hey, Tom?
Speaker 7 (22:55):
I got two?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Two?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Well, I couldn't make up my mind if I wanted
the five, five, six of the three eight, so I
just bought both of them.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You are a man after my own heart, Okay, So
what do you think?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Well, it was funny. The lady at the gunshop that
I had to shifted into said when she came out,
she said, I normally don't fondle over people's new firearms
when they came in, but I just had to see
that one when it came out of the box.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Really yeah, Wow.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
They were really impressed.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
What'd you think?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I was really impressed. I took it out. I have
a little range here at the house and put it
on sandbags, both of them, and right out of the
box after pulling a patch through the boar. I was
getting one to four inch groups out of each one
of them, depending on what ammunition I was shooting and
whether I was doing my part. And they were to
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a tee three inches high dead center at one hundred
yards through the small aperture.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh, this is using the iron sights.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Oh yeah, Oh okay, I haven't mounted optics on them yet.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Holy yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Wednesday, one to four inch groups at one hundred yards
using the aperture site.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yes, now I was shooting it off bags, off a bench, but.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I said, yeah, But still, that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I was really impressed.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So all right, so you shot both of them. You're
going to put optics on them. I am assuming, but
at this point, just with the look, the way they shoot,
the way they feel, the whole deal.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Take them out of the box. What's your overall impression?
Speaker 5 (24:42):
These things are amazing.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
You guys.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
You guys did a beautiful job in the design, working
with lipsies and h and rug.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
They're just really really impressive.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
Yeah, looks gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It is. It's core.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's the thing I keep talking about people saying it's
a rifle. No, No, when you open the box, you go,
holy cow, of that thing's gorgeous. That's what everybody says.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, you know, I have I have several that are
just you know, I think Sereno would call them the
soul of plastic guns. Uh that are you know, just utilitarian. Uh,
and these things are just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Oh, I know what I want to ask you, what
do you think of the trigger?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Out of the box?
Speaker 6 (25:31):
I was, I was impressed. They're the ones just a
tad lighter. I didn't put a gauge on them.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Then the other I may tune it up a little bit,
but that uh, you know set trigger with where they
are are are perfect for field use. You know, they're
not set up at a at a target weight. No, No,
they were absolutely fine.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And they're adjustable. I mean I liked the way mine
felt out of the box. It was about three pounds
ballpark three three and a half pounds, which is that's
kind of where I like them for hunting. But if, yeah,
if I was gonna be doing pharmat shooting or target shooting.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I would light it down a little bit. But it's easy.
It's fully adjustable.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
For for what these guns are designed for, I think
it's a it's a perfect setup.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So what's your plan As far as optics.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I've got a Vortex scout scope on the way at
two to seven with quick disconnect rings.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
I ordered.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I ordered that it should be in first of the week. Here,
give that a try. See how that works, you know.
And I've got a couple of different pieces of glass
I can try out on them. But after I got
them here, I just had to get them out in
the range and try him.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
So which rifle are you going to put the scout
scope on?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I'm probably gonna do it on I'm going to try
it on both. I'll probably put it on the five
five six first. You know, it's just fun to shoot.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
You no recoil at all.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
And what's cool about it is, you know three eight
and a five five six the trajectory at range are
very similar to each other. Yes, And you can practice
with the you know, with two twenty three ammunition and
pick one up up one gun or the other with
an optic and the holder is going to be the same.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You know, you're not the first person who's contacting me
to say, Look, I bought both of them for pretty
much that reason. So I could shoot the two two
three all the time five five six and then shoot
the three of eight when I want to, and I'm
shooting cheaper, m less recoil, and the trajectory is pretty
much the same, and you can get both of them
for the cost of a lot of regular boltax and rifles.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
So that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Yeah, yeah, I I sent both Chris and kJ a
text last night while I was on the range and
told them what a wonderful job these things were going.
And I said, I'm gonna call Tom tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Oh that's great. I appreciate it. I'm so glad you did.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's it's one thing for me to say, hey, you know,
we made a great rifle. It's another thing for somebody
who actually put his hard earned money down and say, hey,
let me tell you about these things, because you know,
it's kind of easy to get buyers remorse when you
open the box and go, ah, that's not what I
thought I was getting.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, yeah, there was none of that with these.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well that's really good.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well again, I thank you for you know, the range report,
and hey, thanks for the business. As we say, you know,
we don't really make a lot of money on this.
It's just a fun project.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So we get to go, you know, we get to
do the what if what if we did this?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Let me go to Lipsy's and they go, well, yeah,
we could also do this, And then we go to
Ruger they say you know, but what you really want
to do is this, and we're all just sitting around.
It's like a bunch of kids saying, hey, let's make
a cool gun here, and that's what we end up with.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
I went to the gun shop before I ordered them
and handled a ranch rifle just to see how it
helped and everything. And I really like the way it
felt and I thought, ooh, all that needs is a
set of iron sights on it.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
It would be perfect. And you guys did it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
There you go, all right, thanks so much for your call.
I appreciate it. Enjoy that rifle. I hope that really
works for you, all right, you know. And by the way,
if you want to see more about what we're talking about,
I go to gun talkscout dot com. That's it's a
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A lot of different ways to go.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
All right. My number here is eight six six.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
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You know how much buddy is just goofing off coming
up with ideas to make a new gun.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You go, oh, let's do this thing. We'll sell a
few hundred of them. You know.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Basically it's a chance for everybody to play a little bit.
And then who knows, and sometimes we've done this and
then the manufacturer says, you know, that's a pretty cool idea.
We might want to add that to the line. You go, okay,
that's fine. I mean, once we're done with our gun
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Speaker 3 (32:33):
That's not what we do.
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But we get to play around with this stuff and
we get to work with really smart, creative people like
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Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, we could do that.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
And often they'll say, yeah, yes, but you know, here's
a little different idea you may want to do. Sometimes
it's just because it makes the production easier for them,
and sometimes it's you may.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Not have thought of this one. This would be.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Cool because they're gun people too, So there you go.
All right, let's grab line one.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Benny's with us out of Corpus Christi, Texas.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We're playing the if you could only have four guns,
what would they be?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
All right, Benny, you have the floor. What are your choices?
Speaker 13 (33:11):
Yeah, good afternoon, tom My. Four would start off with
my Mossburg five hundred. I've peaked it into a tactical
shotgun and I would pump it full of buckshot. Okay,
then Savage one ten in three or eight, my Smith
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and Wesson M and P compact, the two point zero
model and nine milimeter, and a twenty two caliber Winchester
semi automatic rifle.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Interesting, okay, I thought we were going to get an
ar in there, but we did not.
Speaker 13 (33:49):
No, sir, I've got a couple.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
But you know, yeah, the good choices. I like them,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I also like I like the pop aspect of it,
because in terms of reliability, I do like.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
A pump shotgun. Oh yes, sir, nice, okay, I like it.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I think you got a real solid group there, and
there's not a lot you couldn't do with that, and
that savage three a weight takes care of.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
All your hunting and all of that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
And even if you needed to get into a sniper
situation or self defense with the bolt, you'd have that
going for you too. Thank you, Benny, appreciate that. Let's
grab Floyd out of Shreeport, Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
He's online.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Four.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Hey Floyd, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Hey hey Tom, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I am great? What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Sir?
Speaker 13 (34:38):
I was?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I know you're the firearms guru.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I just make it up as I go, man.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I was interested in buying at a local paw shop
in Streeport with teas nineteen eleven from Turkey.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, tea soacks, sir. It's called a tea sauce te sauce.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yes, sir. I like the old school design of it.
I have a six hour T two twenty but the
trigger I don't like. It's got too big of a
curve in it. Yep, And after a buck of Challs,
it's don't hurt my finger.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Also, the P two twenty is a big pistol. I mean,
people think of a nineteen eleven as being big, but
I think the P two twenty is even larger in
my hand. And I just I kind of like the
feel of a standard regular traditional nineteen eleven guess.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
And I was wondering if you had any reviews of it.
The people I talked to, all the reviews I say
it says it's a good pistol.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I think the saus is making good stuff, and it's affordable,
and some of them, like you said, they're making a
lot of different configurations and you can get it like
a traditional World War two kind of style or a
good dolled up ninety eleven styles. But if you found
one of a pawn shop or someplace, is it a
good price?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Listen, it's about two fifty.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, okay, forty five or nine milimeter.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I can do it. Plus I can put they got
a Chrystmas special ten dollars down lailway and you take
the Christmas play it out so it's not financially hurting nobody.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Or right, right, let me ask you.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
My four guns? Is the AR fifteen I got a
I got a DPMs. I didn't like the round four
hand grips on them, so I changed it to the triangles. Okay, well, mom,
is like the original M sixteen Vietnam style, right. I
got a Stoker twelve gage pump Winchester seventy three or
(37:01):
eight and a Taurus t X twenty two.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
See.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Okay, so you threw in the fifth win for land yap,
as we like to say in Louisiana.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
I like it, shour forty five and just put the
money down on the tea hoss.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
All right, I think good choice is there. I like
the fact that when I asked for four, you give
me five or six. That's the man who says that, Yeah,
that sounds good. But you know, if I was really
going to be doing it, I'd go with five or six.
Nothing to work wrong with that as well. As I said,
we call it in Louisiana, they call that land yapp.
Don't even try to spell that, but it's that's the
extra you get thrown in. Others might call it a
(37:42):
Baker's dozen, and that works as well. So, I mean
the question on the floor is if you had to
get down to only four guns, right for shotgun, handgun, whatever, however,
any mix you want, any calories, any cartridges, any you know,
shot shells, bare links, every configuration, automatic, semi automatic. Hey,
(38:03):
oh that's the thought. Oh could you include a fully
automatic in that? Well, you know what, as long as
it's our game, it's our rules, Yes you could. Okay,
all bets are off now they can full out of
in here as well. Okay, now you get your thinking
(38:23):
cap on, you go. Whoa, whoa. I don't have any
of those, But if I could have those, would I
add those to it?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yes? I would.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
As a matter of fact, it would be man, I'd
be hard pressed not to get a Thompson. I mean,
I don't need a Thompson.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I don't know what I'd do with the Thompson. I
just think it's one of the coolest guns ever made.
And there if you ever get a chance to shoot one,
you gotta do it because they're heavy, and they're loud,
and there's some recoil and they move around and he
just leave your smiling and you go, oh my god,
that's so much fun.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, I think I put a Thompson on my list.
In a few minutes, don't.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
We're gonna talk a little bit more about this sig
P three twenty controversy.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Just when everybody had figured out, Okay, this is where.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's going, this is what's going on, then some things
happened this past week where you go, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That muddy the waters. Maybe it's not what I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Maybe it's not doing what people are Well, we'll fill
you in on that when we come back here, but
I do want to take a couple of minutes and
tell you about something. We're in our thirtieth year of
doing gun talk radio. When we started out, and I'm
not big on certainly not big on committees, committee meetings
and anything like that, but I decided to write a
(39:53):
mission statement. And that's very much not like me. I
don't I just don't think that way. But for whatever reason,
it's like, ok, why are you doing this? What are
you going to do with this? What's the plan? And
my idea was, Okay, two things. One keep it really simple,
and two make it as big as you can possibly imagine,
(40:14):
because if you if you don't think big, you can't
do big. It's one of the things I've taught my kids.
You have to imagine and think about doing really big things.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
And strive for that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
In the process, you'll do some pretty good stuff and
maybe I end up doing some big things. So this
is the mission statement and has been for thirty years
for gun Talk, and that's what are we doing. The
plan is to permanently change the way guns and gun
(40:48):
owners are viewed in America.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
That's the entire mission statement, to permanently change the way
guns and gun owners are viewed in America. My idea
then and today is the same. When you move public opinion,
(41:13):
you set it up to win. You set up the
public to accept your ideas, to be open to information,
and you only have to move public opinion two or
three ticks on the meter if there was a meter,
And I think we are well on our way to
doing that. You know, more than fifty years ago, people
(41:36):
Wohl asked, more than half the people said they favored
banning the private ownership of handguns. That's down to like,
you know, twelve percent or something like that. Now, it's
crazy changing public opinion. When you change public opinion, you
win elections. When you change public opinion, eventually you start
to win court cases. Think about what's happened in the
(41:58):
last thirty years. And now, look, I'm not saying I'm
responsible for this all by myself. A lot of people
have been involved in this, but I was the first
in a lot of categories. First national radio talk show
about guns, the first podcast about guns created, the first
TV show about self defense with guns, created, the first
(42:18):
online video hosting site with videos about guns, a lot
of things like that. The idea is to reach out
so that the general public, not the hardcore gun people,
but the general public look at that and go, Wow,
these guys in gals sound like they're having fun. They
sound reasonable and fact you know what, They sound like
(42:41):
they would be fun to hang out with. When you
do that, they're no longer talking about those gun nuts.
They're talking about people who sound reasonable and sound like
they're having fun. People would go spend an afternoon with
that the range maybe, which leads me to if you
want to be a part of this, one of the
(43:02):
things you can do that's the easiest thing in the
world is invite people to go shooting with you. People
you know a lot, people you know hardly at all,
people you never met. You just run into them and
start a conversation. Yeah, I'd love to shoot. Would you
like to go to the range? NSSF did a study.
They said that half the women surveyed said if someone
(43:25):
would ask them to go shooting, they would.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
What's stopping you from inviting.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Somebody to going to the range, to permanently change the
way guns and gun owners are viewed as America.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
That's my mission statement. Maybe it'd like to make it yours.
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