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-- Ryan Gresham describes the growth of firearm-related media over the 30-year span of Gun Talk.
-- What happens to all those guns used and bought by gun writers. Gun Broker has a special auction of Dick Metcalf's guns.
-- Law schools used to teach that the Second Amendment was meaningless. That's changed through the years, partly due to a shocking paper from a Texas academic.
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-- Ryan Gresham describes the growth of firearm-related media over the 30-year span of Gun Talk.
-- What happens to all those guns used and bought by gun writers. Gun Broker has a special auction of Dick Metcalf's guns.
-- Law schools used to teach that the Second Amendment was meaningless. That's changed through the years, partly due to a shocking paper from a Texas academic.
Gun Talk 03.09.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, welcome back to gun Talking. Yeah, we're celebrating
the official thirty years of gun Talk today. Amazing here
started this thing off, it didn't seem like it was
going to do anything. I gave it about I figured
six to twelve weeks and then we would try something else.
So so far, so good. Thirty years unbelievable. Well, of
course we started with the radio show. Of course I
(00:37):
was doing magazine writing before that, and now it's grown
into this behemoth of gun talk media where we're doing
all sorts of things. And I thought i'd bring in
Ryan Gresham, who runs basically the whole operation. Now, hey, Riot,
how's it going down there at Range Ready Studios.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's going awesome. Congratulations on thirty years.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I was there, Yes you were, Yeah, you were. You
were a good bit younger thirty years ago. But then again,
so were we.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
All Right, Well, it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I mean to do any any really Honestly, any business project,
certainly any media show for that long is is pretty rare.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It actually is. You know, I don't think about that
a lot. You just do it week to week and
you say, Okay, what are we gonna do this week?
You know, we've got to have some more material this week.
So you just put one foot in front of the other.
But honestly, when I started, there was well, there's nothing
like this. There was no such thing as a gun show.
Of course, there were no podcasts, there were no videos
anything like that, so people don't know that.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
One of the things that you and I did very
early on, as soon as you came in to join
me with this thing, is we started what I think
is probably the first online site with videos about guns.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, dedicated to a gun talk TV or gunn talk.
We did that and it was sometimes it's great being
a trail brake blazer, and sometimes it's not.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Out they're getting all the arrows in the back, you.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Know, that's right, you're whacking through all of the weeds
and thorns. And yeah, we did gun talk dot TV,
dedicated video site all about guns and really focused on
gun training, and ran that as as a subscription service.
I mean, this is early on to people subscribing to
(02:33):
video stuff online. And it ran its course. It was
one of those things that did not last thirty years,
but it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Also allowed us to figure out, Okay, that didn't work,
what do we do next, and move on to kind
of the next thing. And I got to say that
it was your idea to do Guns and Gear, a
TV show about exactly that, guns and AMMO and hardware
or what's new and what's cool.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean obviously you had a background and doing
television doing Chevy Truck shooting Sports America and ESPN and
being kind of a host guy there and then producing
different shows with the Outdoor Channel, and so we decided
to do our own show, Guns and Gear, which now
that one is in season I believe season seventeen this year,
(03:24):
which is awesome.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But it's funny in business, right, I mean, some things
work out, some things don't, and sometimes working out means
it ran its course for five or six years and
it was good, but it's over and.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Sometimes it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It lost money, but it led to something else, and
that's that's always that's okay too.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Well, yeah, it's like I created the PDTV.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
The Personal Defense TV was the first TV show about
gun training or self defense with guns, and everybody wondered
what is that going to be? And that was I
did that for guns and an well before we started
our stuff. And it's like, you say that one ran
its course, because honest, after you've done three or four
years of self defense drills at gun site or some
(04:05):
other place, there are only so many drills and things
you can teach somebody to do in a square range,
and you've done it over and over again at that point.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But it's we've we've kind of evolved from there, right, So,
I mean when you started doing the radio show, obviously
you had it's and I don't know, I possibly people
know this, but it's not like that was your first
gig into gun media. You've been writing for magazines for
decades before that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Ye I had twenty years of experienced before we started
doing gun talk radio.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah yeah, So, I mean there was print, then there
was talk radio, and then when I came on, we
started doing digital content, online video stuff, we started doing
television stuff, and I think that's kind of part of
the change that's interesting, is the growth of different types
of media, and really what we see today is people
(05:00):
listening to this right now. You're listening on radio, or
maybe you're listening to it via podcast, or maybe you're
listening to it via x or Instagram because something because
we posted something. Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many
ways that you can listen. And we've kind of entered
a world where people are curating their own content and
(05:20):
their own personalized playlist. It's not really the way of like, Okay,
watch your show on Thursday nights.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
At seven pm. That's when it comes on.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Nobody has to do that these days, and so we're
just creating a lot of different types of content and
put it out a lot of different places so people
can find it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And the challenge of that, and it's something that you've
faced all the time, is you have to feed the beast.
You are always having to create content. So you created
this content creation monster down in Louisiana. Talk about your
place and also kind of all the different things you're
doing now.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Sure, Yeah, I mean we're down here just outside of
New Orleans. Range Ready Studios is our headquarters here and
we've got a pretty dice sized building with studio and
classroom and shoot house, and we work created Mainly it
is for creating gun Talk Media's content and whether that's
podcast or video or television or whatever it may be.
(06:17):
A lot of times we're also working with a lot
of companies in the industry to do video production, and
we're actually even working with them on some product development
and product testing because we'll film slow mo video. We'll
have because it's all right here right, so we can
go out into the range. We can set up different
(06:37):
scenarios or demonstrations or whatever to see what works and
what doesn't. And we have enough experience over the years
to work with all these different types of products and
help people as they're bringing new products out.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You really do work with an a lot of different
companies and now they're starting to figure out, okay, this
becomes a re source for them. And sometimes what you're
doing for them actually doesn't even show up on your
channels or on anything else. It's just like it's kind
of behind the scenes stuff. But also one of the
benefits you get is you get to tinker with a
(07:13):
lot of new stuff long before the public season.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's true, and we also hear the stories of the
product development and stuff that maybe never even made it
out and why right and where things are headed. So
hopefully that kind of trickles into our content for people
who are listening to this or watching our videos, so
we kind of have the backstory and the knowledge of this.
(07:38):
I think there's certainly the I guess the newer like
influencer crowd, who they may know a lot about glocks
or ars, but they may not know the real backstory
on a lot of other things, the big picture when
it comes to guns and cartridges and scopes and optics
and all these things.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I think that we bring a.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Deep knowledge and a broad knowledge of a lot of things,
and we're just trying to put that out into a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Of different places for people.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And I'll say this too, what's just kind of thinking
about the thirty years thing. One another big change for
everybody listening to this is now that everyone has a voice.
This did not used to be the case. Everyone is
a content creator. Everyone can call people on their bs
(08:26):
and actually reach some people with that instead of just
telling your next door neighbor, these guys are saying this
about a gun issue, and it's wrong. It's a straight
up lie. Now you maybe have five hundred one thousand
three thousand people who follow you on social media, and
we also have people who don't need mainstream media and
(08:48):
their lives to get their information. So you can actually
go on x and follow gun talk or somebody else
and get some accurate information. It's not being suppressed and
you're not going to hear at other places.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Very interesting. Also, one of the benefits for everybody out
there is that it used to be that well, way
way way back. If there's just magazines, people can write
stuff and put it in a magazine and it's like, okay, well,
there's no way to challenge that it doesn't sound right,
but what am I going to do about it? And
now it's kind of a way of keeping everybody honest
(09:25):
because you know, when you put out a video, if
there's something wrong with it, somebody's going to point it out.
So you guys better work at making sure it's right,
that is true.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It does keep you honest and and it also drives.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You to do a good job, not only just accuracy,
but also try to put out some worthwhile stuff. And
for us putting out content that it's online that you
know there's a comment section, and sometimes the commenters.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Are not helpful.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean, everybody's been into a comment section, but sometimes
you go, you know that that's a really good point,
or that's a really good question, or yeah we should
show this or ask this question.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
So yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
That it's a whole new world where we're kind of
all in this together of creating content and having a
discussion about these subjects.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
There's something else I wanted to just touch on for
a minute is one of the things I've done for
thirty years is I've decided I'm not going to be
the guy who rants and raves and screams and hollers
and riles people up. Not my thing, not the way
I operate. And maybe I would have had a bigger show,
maybe it would have would have had more listeners. I
don't know, but it wasn't comfortable for me. In online now,
(10:37):
with online videos, there are people who just do and
say outrageous things as a way of getting clicks, likes, views, whatever,
And that is really not the culture of what I do,
and it's not the culture of what you do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
There's just kind of there's certain things that I know,
if you're saying we want to grow to have more
views online or more subscribers on YouTube or whatever that
might be. I mean, it's not like an unknown you
know how to do this, right, I mean you'd be shocking,
be divisive, do wild stuff, do unsafe stuff, because that's
(11:15):
that's super sharable content.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And people were like, oh wow, I'll look at.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That, and it's funny to me how many people don't
really think about that's not safe, that shouldn't be something
that we are putting out there. And that's just kind
of our approach. And yeah, I think the same thing
for us. I mean we've had ideas we're like, yeah,
we're not going to do that, and we.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Just don't you know, yeah, no, we just don't. Well,
you've just done an amazing job. It is the logical,
perhaps logical, but it's an amazing growth pattern from thirty
years ago of just one radio show to now multiple
TV shows, lots of videos, podcasts, product development, doing classes,
(12:00):
is a range, ready studios, and I know you're always
looking for whatever the next thing is.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Well, I mean we're always chasing it. It's ever changing,
and it feels like it's changing faster and faster these days.
So but congratulations, in thirty years it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It has been an amazing ride. We'll just keep doing
it as long as we can, or until somebody pulls
us mic out from in front of me.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Absolutely all right, Ryan Gressas, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Congratulations to all your success with all the different media
properties and things you're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, you guys listening, come down and see us. Go
to range Readystudios dot com and look for a class.
We only put on a handful of them each year,
but they're special.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
They really are. All right, don't go far. Gun talk
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Speaker 4 (14:50):
Kick on forty five here.
Speaker 10 (14:52):
Congratulations Tom and I know it must have been really
fun and interesting, you know, having worked with John Browning,
you know, through most of those designs. So congratulations on
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Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well we go back, we don't go back quite that far,
but thank you sir. He got forty five one of
the pioneers and monsters when it comes to online videos
about guns. Had some interesting things happen this week in
the Supreme Court US Supreme Court they herd case on
(15:26):
Tuesday where the country of Mexico is suing American gun companies,
specifically Smith and Wesson and a bunch of others in Mexico,
and I'm fairly certain that they were approached by the
gun ban industry in the US.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Getting Mexico to file the suits.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Is saying that US gun makers should pay Mexico billions,
billions of dollars because Mexico has to fight cartel crime
and US gun makers are responsible for or the cartel crime.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I know you're thinking, Okay, what's the connection. There is
no connection.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
What they're saying is gun makers America macguns and then
they sell them to distributors. Okay, the gun makers are
licensed by the federal government. The distributors are licensed by
the federal government, and then those distributors sell the guns
to gun stores, all of those are licensed by the
federal government, and then those stores sell guns to individuals,
(16:28):
and those sales are accompanied by a background check with
the FBI. A tiny fraction of those sales are to
people who are buying the guns illegally, illegally right, and
then some percentage of those people take the guns across
the border to Mexico. And then some percentage of those
guns ended up in the hands of the cartels, and
(16:50):
then some percentage of those are used in crime that
Mexico has to fight. And Mexico is saying, see Smith
and Western's causing our crime in Mexico. Well, the case
was argued before the US Supreme Court. There's actually talk
that it's possible we could get a nine zero unanimous
(17:13):
de station in our favor. That's how badly it went
for the gun banners.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
You had.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Justice Andy Cony Barrett, you had Justice Catangie Brown or
Jackson Brown taking the position of the gun companies. But
you did have some areas. It was kind of funny
in a way, disappointing and distressing in a way when
(17:43):
Justice Sonya Sodami or says, well, you know American gunmakers,
they make guns with easily irasable serial numbers. Yes, that's
what she said. They make guns with easily irrasable serial numbers.
These serial numbers are stamped in the medal or the polymer.
(18:07):
They're done in such a way that they cannot be
easily removed. And oh, by the way, it's a federal
crime to remove the serial number from a gun. Now
should it be that's a whole different subject. Should we
even have to have zero numbers on guns? No, we
should not. Different subject. But the idea, the notion the
(18:27):
gun makers make guns with easily erasable serial numbers so
that criminals, making it easier for criminals to use these
guns and not have the guns traced. And therefore the
gun makers are saying, wink, nod, nod, we will make
guns that are easy for criminals to use. They also
said that the lawyer for Mexico said, well, you know,
(18:50):
Colt made some pistols, probably nineteen eleven's with Spanish names
on them. Clearly those were designed for the cartels, and
I was real proud of the attorney representing the gun companies.
In his rebuttal, he says that is not only incorrect.
It's offensive, says there are millions of Spanish speaking Americans
(19:13):
in the US who would like to have guns with
Spanish language on them, and to think that these are
made for the cartails in Mexico is just flat out offensive.
It was a tour de force and I'm pretty sure
we're gonna win the The only question is going to
(19:34):
be how big do we win? Now we have the
same Groundhog Day story going on every single week. Now.
It seems like the Snops case in the Ocean Tactical case.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Two cases.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
One is Maryland's ban on semi automatic firearms. The other
is Rhode Island's ban on standard capacity magazines. Once again,
on Friday, these US Supreme Court did a conference on it.
They got together to talk about it. Should we accept
these cases. I'm talking to you on Sunday. Maybe on
Monday we will know. You know, they got three choices.
(20:12):
They can deny cert say we're not gonna hear the case.
They can grant cert and say we're are going to
hear the case and we'll make the decision on the
merits of it.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Or they can kick.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The can down the road a little more and say
we're not going to decide now we're gonna maybe look
at it sometime in the future. We really need the
Supreme Court to take these cases. We really need the
Supreme Court to rule that the states cannot ban legally
owned guns that are commonly owned and used.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
For lawful purposes.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Once we get that ruling, then all these bands that
are being passed in New Mexico's trying to pass one
right now. California obviously has, There's a number of states
have these bands commonly on guns. These bands go away
if we could get this through the Supreme Court. We're
at the point now where everybody involved watching this is
(21:13):
making guesses and now we're just tired of We're tired
of you making guesses. I don't know who the problem is.
I don't know if it's Amy Cony Barrett. I don't
know who it is. Hey, look all these people are
bashing Amy Cony Barrett online.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's no point in that. You're not getting us anywhere.
It's not gonna change anything. And she's good on something,
she's not great on some other things. That's kind of
the way it goes to some of these justices. She's
not a true conservative. Okay, fine, but we may get it.
We may get her on our side. I don't know
what's going on in the background. I don't know what's
going on behind closed doors. Keeping my fingers crossed. Follow
(21:48):
me on X. I am at gun Talk and if
we get a decision tomorrow, I'll put it out there.
You'll be the first to know. I'll have information for
you on what's going on there. If you want to
join us, our number is Tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Do you use dial up stuff on your scope when
you're hunting or do you just hold on and shoot
the critter and make it happen.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I have tried it both.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I've gone back to the tried and true always just
shoot it. All right, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm
Tom Gresham, of course, and you can join us. All
you have to do is give me a call at
tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know how much I like going on gun Broker
and looking at the cool guns. I talk about it
all the time, and yet it does cost me money occasionally,
but it's money well spend, right, because money you spend
on guns and AMMO is definitely not wasted. Well, they've
got some cool stuff coming up, actually, I think starting
today Sunday, let me bring in my longtime friend Dwight
(22:52):
van Brunt, because Dwight, you've got a collection that I
think people need to know about.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I do too.
Speaker 11 (22:59):
It's from a good friend of ours. Sadly it's in
a state, but it's Dick Metcalfe's estate.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, but people should know that Dick was a writer
for Guns and m O and all of those publications
for many, many years. He was quite the student of guns.
And a lot of people didn't know that Dick had
a PhD from Yale, but he tried to hide.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That he did.
Speaker 11 (23:22):
He did, and he actually taught his PCs in history,
and he actually taught history for a little while and
at at a collegiate level, and then gave it all
up to roll the bones and become a gun writer.
And we're all the better for it.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
See, they didn't just go to show you that PSDs
are not that smart.
Speaker 11 (23:45):
I can't I can't imagine how much more money he
would have made staying in the collegiate system and the
ivy system than he would have gun writing. But he
wanted to go home to pass a park where his
families owned that prop since literally the just right after
the Civil War and he wanted to go home preserve
(24:07):
that work, become a gun writer. And he did it,
and he did a great job of it well.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
In the process, of course, Dick ended up acquiring a
lot of very interesting, cool and sometimes either rare or
unique guns. Give us an idea of what you've got,
what's going to be offered here.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Dick asked me more than twenty years ago if I
would handle things for him when he was gone, when
his gun specifically, and I didn't really think much about
it at the time, agreed to do it. He said,
Dwight've got a lot of guns, and some of them
are pretty cool, and I think you you take care
of just take care of things for me. So his
(24:47):
brother George brought the guns out last fall. There were
about two hundred and forty of them. I divided them
into three groups, which is normally how I handle these things.
There were the plain old guns, and those went to
my local auction house. There were the there were quite
a few good guns. Those I've already sold on the
(25:10):
national market, not attributed to Dick. But the best guns
are the Dick Metcalf Collection, which goes live at ten
pm Eastern this Sunday on Gunbroker, exclusively on Gunbroker, and
there are almost one hundred guns. They're the best of
the guns that he had and some of the special
(25:31):
The highlights would be seventeen rugers that all have his
VIP serial number one, nine seven, five rifles, six pistols,
six revolvers, some tremendously interesting Smith and Wessons. One that's
documented is one of one hundred and seventy one ever made.
(25:53):
One that is probably one of one or one of two,
a six inch Model sixty three and with ivory grips,
clearly a very special gun. There are two prototype four
sixties with consecutive serial numbers. There are two first run
four sixties with consecutive serial numbers, several five hundreds, some
(26:18):
several going through the Smith and Wessons unique finishes, black
over stainless matt instead of polished blue, things like that.
There's over two dozen smiths that are in this and
they're very nice. Many of them are very very nice.
Five Dan Wessons, and I really think that these are
(26:40):
going to be some of the most contested items. There's
a thirty two, a forty one magnum stainless, a forty
four and two four forty fives and one of the
four to forty five supermags. One of the four to
forty five is an Alaskan Guide prototype and that is rare, rare, rare, ripe,
(27:01):
and it goes on. And there's fifteen or sixteen long
guns in total other than the rugers. But and there's
some great custom pistols. You might know of one. It's
actually kind of famous. It's called it's Dick Metcalf's Brown Heine.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Have you heard of that gun? I have not that.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I got to imagine people are thinking, what do you
guys talking about brown Heine?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
No, no, no, no, no, I know where you're going with this.
Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
Well, you know, obviously Dick was buddies with many of
the custom gun builders, and he has one that was
put together by Ed Brown and Richard Heine together for him,
and it was it was kind of an afterthought. But
I remember him talking to me about that gun a
long time ago and he said, yeah, it's my brown
Heine and and he he but it is and it's
(27:52):
wonderfully funny and in an odd way, but it's a
tremendous gun. It's one of the few guns that Dick
was was really fussed over. He didn't use it that much.
He was a user. Guns were tools to him.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Tommy, all right, I got to ask you, when people
go on gun Broker, how do they find this collection?
Or basically how do they find your guns? Because for
people that don't know you do you're a gun broker,
reseller find guns and you're always there on gun broker,
how do they find right?
Speaker 11 (28:23):
Well, my company name is Sportsman's Legacy, as Sportsman's Legacy,
and that can get you just go on and search
and gosh, I think I have between guns and books
three hundred and forty listings right now, and when when
Dick's collection comes up, it'll be well over four hundred listings.
But a gun broker is supporting this auction in a
(28:44):
very interesting way. They're going to put leader banners across
the top of the landing page. They're going to create
a they've created it's not ready to go up yet,
you won't see it until Monday tomorrow, March tenth. But
the gun Broker's done in such a way that they're
creating a store for this so they can just simply
(29:06):
search Metcalf and that will take you to that portion
of my listings, and if you want to see everything,
then just simply sportsman's legacy.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Very good, Hi Dwight, thank you so much. I appreciate
your time. Man, Hi, don't go far. Gun Talk'll be
right back.
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You know?
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If it's like C four, it's almost like a smack hunting. Yeah,
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Agree.
Speaker 13 (31:35):
This is Tom Hennig and from one time to another,
I just wanted to say congratulations on thirty years of
gun Talk. There has been not just an honor and
a privilege, but a joy to work on the show
with you. I also want to say thank you for
your help guiding me through my first steps in the
confield carry so happy anniversary Toime.
Speaker 14 (31:53):
Hey Jim, how much checks are you paying me for this?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
We got together, made some recordings, having some fun. Thanks
for the surprise, guys, appreciate that. I'm Tom Gresh from
This is Gun Talk. If you just landed here, Yeah,
we talk about guns a lot around here, shotguns, rifles, handguns. Yeah,
an old gun, we'll talk about that. You got a
new gun, we'll talk about that. You're thinking about.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Buying a gun. We'll really talk about that.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
If you are considering, or maybe you already are doing it,
concealed carry carrying a gun for personal protection.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Give me a holler.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I know you have questions and I think I probably
can help you. The number here is Tom Talk Gun
very easy. Johnny called in out of Texas, Canada. Hey Johnny,
how can we help you today?
Speaker 14 (32:42):
Way?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Tom?
Speaker 14 (32:43):
Are you doing?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I am wonderful?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Well?
Speaker 14 (32:46):
Praise the Lord. Hey, I know you collect a lot
of guns, and you've been around more than a couple
of days. What do you think about the Winchester Octagon
barrel eighteen ninety two?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What a fun rick. Well, first, let me back up.
I do not collect guns. I am not a gun
collector at all. I have some guns that I shoot,
but I don't have anything like collect. If I can't
shoot it, I don't want it. So having said that, though,
that is a really fun gun.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Is uh do you have? First of all, let me
back up, do you have one?
Speaker 14 (33:21):
Yes, sir, I sure do.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Well, heck what am I talking about? You got the gun?
Tell me about it?
Speaker 14 (33:27):
Well, I bought it probably about probably about thirty years ago,
and it's been a fun gun. I have a brother
that reloads handloads, and he's it's hard to get ahold
of the good bullets, so I keep the brass and
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he handloads and upgrades it with the faster burning powder
which gives it a better shot.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And well, let me let me ask you with that
long heavy barrel and shooting this basically almost a barment
lowd just you know you get eleven one hundred to
thirteen hundred feet per second, not much velocity. That's got
to be like the sweetest shooting little rig.
Speaker 14 (34:13):
Oh it is, man, it is. I've had several people
they would like to have it. Yeah, I said, Well,
it's not for sale. I mean it is a fun gun.
I mean I was my dad taught me how to shoot.
There were since I grew up, and I have several
(34:38):
other guns, but I try to you know, I used
to shoot a whole lot. But you get to the
point where why waste the ammunition?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Well? Yeah, and also you got different guns you want
to try. Let me ask you. Have you hunted with
this guy? He ever take me out to hunt with it? Yeah?
What'd you hunt?
Speaker 14 (35:00):
Well? Now, if you go hont deer you yeah, they
got to be close in.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, it's pretty It's more of a small game. I
mean I would think maybe hunting squirrels or something like
that would.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Be food.
Speaker 14 (35:17):
En barnments, just you know, short game.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Right.
Speaker 14 (35:22):
Like I said, I have a other guns that I
like to chew, but this is just something that's just
fun to have. And it's iconic.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean, you know there's something if people haven't
done it, and I know everybody likes these lever actions
with these short barrels and they carry well, but a
level action with a longer barrel with one of the
heavier barrels and octapon barrels. When you put that to
your shoulder and get the sights on target. Nothing moves.
(35:50):
It's just like it's hanging there. It's almost like it's
holding itself up, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 14 (35:57):
I mean I haven't missed it.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
That's saying something right there.
Speaker 14 (36:05):
I mean I like, I like having guns. I got
a Springfield forty five nineteen eleven and that's a sweet
gun too.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah it is. I love nineteen eleventh, I do.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
But you know, there's just something so classic about a
lever action, and then you get it in a kind
of an offbeat cartridge, like a thirty two to twenty,
and you can't find factory Ammo for it. But it's
not you're not going to fight it at your local store.
But reloading is a real smart deal. Well, I'm glad
that I asked you the question, because you called to
ask me. I'm thinking, Man, I don't have one of those,
but you do. So we got education out of this, Johnny,
(36:41):
thank you for the call. I appreciate that, sir. Very
cool lever action long barrel, heavy barrel lever actions. Some
of the old Winchester made these commemoratives for a lot
of years, and a few of those had the longer barrels,
and when you first pick them up, if he was like,
oh man, it's the gun. Yeah, it kind of is,
(37:03):
but when you're go in to shoot it, all that
weight out in front stabilizes it, you know. And clearly,
if you shoot off arrest, maybe it doesn't matter as much.
But man, if you're shooting off hand, there's something. It's
more than something special. It's almost magical the way it feels,
(37:26):
and just so much fun. I'm glad to see so
many people being interested in lever actions. And now we
have all these companies with lever Obviously you got Winchester Marlin,
but you got Smith and Wesson making lever action, Savage
making lover Action twenty two is ROSSI. Obviously, Henry probably
(37:49):
is responsible honestly for the resurgence in interest in lever actions,
because Henry did something that nobody else was doing. They
started advertising in general interest magazines, and then they started
advertising on widespread television, not just outdoor programs but everywhere.
(38:11):
And we couldn't get ads for ars or handguns in
general interest magazines, but they would run and ad for
a lover action because it's kind of cowboy. It's John
Wayne it's America, and they didn't think of anything about
it as like, oh, nobody uses those for crimes, so
we can take the ads.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Well, Henry was smart.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Their marketing was out there, putting it in front of everybody,
and people are going, that just looks cool. We got
to get one of those. Whether or not they were
really into guns, they would go out and buy Henry
and that became kind of their gateway drug into shooting.
And nothing wrong with that. We'll get them anyway we can,
because once you get started in shooting, you realize, man,
this is fun and these are a bunch of fun people.
(38:52):
And I kind of like the values that I see
out there. What's the next gun we ought to get?
And maybe we got to take a clent and oh yeah,
I mentioned what's the next gun we're going to get? Well,
at least that's why I approacheship. They said that you
(39:17):
can't really appreciate where you are until you know where
you've been. So with that in mind, I'm thinking about
the thirty years of gun talk radio here gun talk now,
because it's not just radio, it's a lot of different things.
My good friend Alan got Leab changed the landscape on
the legal front more than thirty years ago. Alan took
(39:38):
a look at the scholarship on the Second Amendment. He said,
you know where they're teaching in law schools is wrong.
They're basically teaching that the Second Amendment is a dead letter.
It's not important to always paying attention to it. We
need to change the scholarship about the Second Amendment. And
he started funding research that got published in a law journal.
(40:01):
And then probably the most important one. I don't think
Alan had anything to do with this one, but probably
came about because of other articles being written in law journals.
It was titled the Embarrassing Second Amendment, The Embarrassing Second Amendment.
It was written by Sandford Levinson and he was a
(40:23):
professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law,
and Sandy Leon Levinston was was is pretty leftists, pretty
out there law professor. But he approached this with an
intellectual honesty.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
And one of the.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Things I like because what he basically said was, look,
we have to pay attention to the Second Amendment. We
in the legal world, the academic world. It's not a
dead letter. And a few things he wrote. Let me
read this to you. He says, I cannot help but
spect that the best explanation for the absence of the
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Second Amendment from legal consciousness of the elite bar including
that component found in the legal academy, is derived from
a mixture of sheer opposition to the idea of private
ownership of guns. And this is interesting and perhaps subconscious
fear that altogether plausible, perhaps even winning interpretations of the
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Second Amendment would present real hurdles to those of us
supporting prohibitory regulation. Thus the title of this essay the
Embarrassing Second Amendment, for I want to suggest that the
Amendment may be profoundly embarrassing to many who both support
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such regulation and view themselves as committed to zealous adherents
to the Bill of Rights. A lot of honesty there,
he said. Look, we academics teaching law probably ignore the
Second Amendment because we don't like guns. We don't teach
(42:11):
the Second Amendment the right way because we think there
are to be more restrictions on guns. And furthermore, if
we actually really looked into it, and if we realized
that the Second Amendment meant what it said, and it
said that individuals have the right to keep in their arms,
(42:31):
then that would run a foul of our desire to
have more gun control. But also it kind of puts
us at odds with our own self image of people
who want to support and defend the Bill of Rights,
because we're ignoring one of the ten amendments in the
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Bill of Rights. Sanford Levinson's law school article, the Embarrassing
Second Amendment changed the scholarship. And honestly, if it had
not been for that and all the work that Alan
got Leave did in changing the scholarship on Second Amendment,
we would not have gotten the Heller decision, or the
(43:14):
Brewing decision, or the McDonald's decision, or the Catando decision,
the decisions that said the right to keep it bear
arms is real and you cannot ban guns that are
in common use for lawful purposes. So it's a long
time coming, and we are working on it now. So
if we want something to happen thirty years from now,
(43:35):
maybe the less it is, we better start the day
and persevere and keep at it for a long long time.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, welcome back to gun Talking. Yeah, we're celebrating
the official thirty years of gun Talk today. Amazing here
started this thing off, it didn't seem like it was
going to do anything. I gave it about I figured
six to twelve weeks and then we would try something else.
So so far, so good. Thirty years unbelievable. Well, of
course we started with the radio show. Of course I
(00:37):
was doing magazine writing before that, and now it's grown
into this behemoth of gun talk media where we're doing
all sorts of things. And I thought i'd bring in
Ryan Gresham, who runs basically the whole operation. Now, hey, Riot,
how's it going down there at Range Ready Studios.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's going awesome. Congratulations on thirty years.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I was there, Yes you were, Yeah, you were. You
were a good bit younger thirty years ago. But then again,
so were we.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
All Right, Well, it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I mean to do any any really Honestly, any business project,
certainly any media show for that long is is pretty rare.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It actually is. You know, I don't think about that
a lot. You just do it week to week and
you say, Okay, what are we gonna do this week?
You know, we've got to have some more material this week.
So you just put one foot in front of the other.
But honestly, when I started, there was well, there's nothing
like this. There was no such thing as a gun show.
Of course, there were no podcasts, there were no videos
anything like that, so people don't know that.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
One of the things that you and I did very
early on, as soon as you came in to join
me with this thing, is we started what I think
is probably the first online site with videos about guns.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, dedicated to a gun talk TV or gunn talk.
We did that and it was sometimes it's great being
a trail brake blazer, and sometimes it's not.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Out they're getting all the arrows in the back, you.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Know, that's right, you're whacking through all of the weeds
and thorns. And yeah, we did gun talk dot TV,
dedicated video site all about guns and really focused on
gun training, and ran that as as a subscription service.
I mean, this is early on to people subscribing to
(02:33):
video stuff online. And it ran its course. It was
one of those things that did not last thirty years,
but it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Also allowed us to figure out, Okay, that didn't work,
what do we do next, and move on to kind
of the next thing. And I got to say that
it was your idea to do Guns and Gear, a
TV show about exactly that, guns and AMMO and hardware
or what's new and what's cool.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean obviously you had a background and doing
television doing Chevy Truck shooting Sports America and ESPN and
being kind of a host guy there and then producing
different shows with the Outdoor Channel, and so we decided
to do our own show, Guns and Gear, which now
that one is in season I believe season seventeen this year,
(03:24):
which is awesome.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But it's funny in business, right, I mean, some things
work out, some things don't, and sometimes working out means
it ran its course for five or six years and
it was good, but it's over and.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Sometimes it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It lost money, but it led to something else, and
that's that's always that's okay too.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Well, yeah, it's like I created the PDTV.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
The Personal Defense TV was the first TV show about
gun training or self defense with guns, and everybody wondered
what is that going to be? And that was I
did that for guns and an well before we started
our stuff. And it's like, you say that one ran
its course, because honest, after you've done three or four
years of self defense drills at gun site or some
(04:05):
other place, there are only so many drills and things
you can teach somebody to do in a square range,
and you've done it over and over again at that point.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
But it's we've we've kind of evolved from there, right, So,
I mean when you started doing the radio show, obviously
you had it's and I don't know, I possibly people
know this, but it's not like that was your first
gig into gun media. You've been writing for magazines for
decades before that.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Ye I had twenty years of experienced before we started
doing gun talk radio.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah yeah, So, I mean there was print, then there
was talk radio, and then when I came on, we
started doing digital content, online video stuff, we started doing
television stuff, and I think that's kind of part of
the change that's interesting, is the growth of different types
of media, and really what we see today is people
(05:00):
listening to this right now. You're listening on radio, or
maybe you're listening to it via podcast, or maybe you're
listening to it via x or Instagram because something because
we posted something. Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many
ways that you can listen. And we've kind of entered
a world where people are curating their own content and
(05:20):
their own personalized playlist. It's not really the way of like, Okay,
watch your show on Thursday nights.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
At seven pm. That's when it comes on.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Nobody has to do that these days, and so we're
just creating a lot of different types of content and
put it out a lot of different places so people
can find it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And the challenge of that, and it's something that you've
faced all the time, is you have to feed the beast.
You are always having to create content. So you created
this content creation monster down in Louisiana. Talk about your
place and also kind of all the different things you're
doing now.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Sure, Yeah, I mean we're down here just outside of
New Orleans. Range Ready Studios is our headquarters here and
we've got a pretty dice sized building with studio and
classroom and shoot house, and we work created Mainly it
is for creating gun Talk Media's content and whether that's
podcast or video or television or whatever it may be.
(06:17):
A lot of times we're also working with a lot
of companies in the industry to do video production, and
we're actually even working with them on some product development
and product testing because we'll film slow mo video. We'll
have because it's all right here right, so we can
go out into the range. We can set up different
(06:37):
scenarios or demonstrations or whatever to see what works and
what doesn't. And we have enough experience over the years
to work with all these different types of products and
help people as they're bringing new products out.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You really do work with an a lot of different
companies and now they're starting to figure out, okay, this
becomes a re source for them. And sometimes what you're
doing for them actually doesn't even show up on your
channels or on anything else. It's just like it's kind
of behind the scenes stuff. But also one of the
benefits you get is you get to tinker with a
(07:13):
lot of new stuff long before the public season.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's true, and we also hear the stories of the
product development and stuff that maybe never even made it
out and why right and where things are headed. So
hopefully that kind of trickles into our content for people
who are listening to this or watching our videos, so
we kind of have the backstory and the knowledge of this.
(07:38):
I think there's certainly the I guess the newer like
influencer crowd, who they may know a lot about glocks
or ars, but they may not know the real backstory
on a lot of other things, the big picture when
it comes to guns and cartridges and scopes and optics
and all these things.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I think that we bring a.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Deep knowledge and a broad knowledge of a lot of things,
and we're just trying to put that out into a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Of different places for people.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And I'll say this too, what's just kind of thinking
about the thirty years thing. One another big change for
everybody listening to this is now that everyone has a voice.
This did not used to be the case. Everyone is
a content creator. Everyone can call people on their bs
(08:26):
and actually reach some people with that instead of just
telling your next door neighbor, these guys are saying this
about a gun issue, and it's wrong. It's a straight
up lie. Now you maybe have five hundred one thousand
three thousand people who follow you on social media, and
we also have people who don't need mainstream media and
(08:48):
their lives to get their information. So you can actually
go on x and follow gun talk or somebody else
and get some accurate information. It's not being suppressed and
you're not going to hear at other places.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Very interesting. Also, one of the benefits for everybody out
there is that it used to be that well, way
way way back. If there's just magazines, people can write
stuff and put it in a magazine and it's like, okay, well,
there's no way to challenge that it doesn't sound right,
but what am I going to do about it? And
now it's kind of a way of keeping everybody honest
(09:25):
because you know, when you put out a video, if
there's something wrong with it, somebody's going to point it out.
So you guys better work at making sure it's right,
that is true.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It does keep you honest and and it also drives.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
You to do a good job, not only just accuracy,
but also try to put out some worthwhile stuff. And
for us putting out content that it's online that you
know there's a comment section, and sometimes the commenters.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Are not helpful.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean, everybody's been into a comment section, but sometimes
you go, you know that that's a really good point,
or that's a really good question, or yeah we should
show this or ask this question.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
So yeah, I mean, I think.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
That it's a whole new world where we're kind of
all in this together of creating content and having a
discussion about these subjects.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
There's something else I wanted to just touch on for
a minute is one of the things I've done for
thirty years is I've decided I'm not going to be
the guy who rants and raves and screams and hollers
and riles people up. Not my thing, not the way
I operate. And maybe I would have had a bigger show,
maybe it would have would have had more listeners. I
don't know, but it wasn't comfortable for me. In online now,
(10:37):
with online videos, there are people who just do and
say outrageous things as a way of getting clicks, likes, views, whatever,
And that is really not the culture of what I do,
and it's not the culture of what you do.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
There's just kind of there's certain things that I know,
if you're saying we want to grow to have more
views online or more subscribers on YouTube or whatever that
might be. I mean, it's not like an unknown you
know how to do this, right, I mean you'd be shocking,
be divisive, do wild stuff, do unsafe stuff, because that's
(11:15):
that's super sharable content.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And people were like, oh wow, I'll look at.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That, and it's funny to me how many people don't
really think about that's not safe, that shouldn't be something
that we are putting out there. And that's just kind
of our approach. And yeah, I think the same thing
for us. I mean we've had ideas we're like, yeah,
we're not going to do that, and we.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Just don't you know, yeah, no, we just don't. Well,
you've just done an amazing job. It is the logical,
perhaps logical, but it's an amazing growth pattern from thirty
years ago of just one radio show to now multiple
TV shows, lots of videos, podcasts, product development, doing classes,
(12:00):
is a range, ready studios, and I know you're always
looking for whatever the next thing is.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Well, I mean we're always chasing it. It's ever changing,
and it feels like it's changing faster and faster these days.
So but congratulations, in thirty years it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It has been an amazing ride. We'll just keep doing
it as long as we can, or until somebody pulls
us mic out from in front of me.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Absolutely all right, Ryan Gressas, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Congratulations to all your success with all the different media
properties and things you're doing.
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Kick on forty five here.
Speaker 10 (14:52):
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fun and interesting, you know, having worked with John Browning,
you know, through most of those designs. So congratulations on
all you work in the fireman industry.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well we go back, we don't go back quite that far,
but thank you sir. He got forty five one of
the pioneers and monsters when it comes to online videos
about guns. Had some interesting things happen this week in
the Supreme Court US Supreme Court they herd case on
(15:26):
Tuesday where the country of Mexico is suing American gun companies,
specifically Smith and Wesson and a bunch of others in Mexico,
and I'm fairly certain that they were approached by the
gun ban industry in the US.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Getting Mexico to file the suits.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Is saying that US gun makers should pay Mexico billions,
billions of dollars because Mexico has to fight cartel crime
and US gun makers are responsible for or the cartel crime.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I know you're thinking, Okay, what's the connection. There is
no connection.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
What they're saying is gun makers America macguns and then
they sell them to distributors. Okay, the gun makers are
licensed by the federal government. The distributors are licensed by
the federal government, and then those distributors sell the guns
to gun stores, all of those are licensed by the
federal government, and then those stores sell guns to individuals,
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and those sales are accompanied by a background check with
the FBI. A tiny fraction of those sales are to
people who are buying the guns illegally, illegally right, and
then some percentage of those people take the guns across
the border to Mexico. And then some percentage of those
guns ended up in the hands of the cartels, and
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then some percentage of those are used in crime that
Mexico has to fight. And Mexico is saying, see Smith
and Western's causing our crime in Mexico. Well, the case
was argued before the US Supreme Court. There's actually talk
that it's possible we could get a nine zero unanimous
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de station in our favor. That's how badly it went
for the gun banners.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
You had.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Justice Andy Cony Barrett, you had Justice Catangie Brown or
Jackson Brown taking the position of the gun companies. But
you did have some areas. It was kind of funny
in a way, disappointing and distressing in a way when
(17:43):
Justice Sonya Sodami or says, well, you know American gunmakers,
they make guns with easily irasable serial numbers. Yes, that's
what she said. They make guns with easily irrasable serial numbers.
These serial numbers are stamped in the medal or the polymer.
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They're done in such a way that they cannot be
easily removed. And oh, by the way, it's a federal
crime to remove the serial number from a gun. Now
should it be that's a whole different subject. Should we
even have to have zero numbers on guns? No, we
should not. Different subject. But the idea, the notion the
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gun makers make guns with easily erasable serial numbers so
that criminals, making it easier for criminals to use these
guns and not have the guns traced. And therefore the
gun makers are saying, wink, nod, nod, we will make
guns that are easy for criminals to use. They also
said that the lawyer for Mexico said, well, you know,
(18:50):
Colt made some pistols, probably nineteen eleven's with Spanish names
on them. Clearly those were designed for the cartels, and
I was real proud of the attorney representing the gun companies.
In his rebuttal, he says that is not only incorrect.
It's offensive, says there are millions of Spanish speaking Americans
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in the US who would like to have guns with
Spanish language on them, and to think that these are
made for the cartails in Mexico is just flat out offensive.
It was a tour de force and I'm pretty sure
we're gonna win the The only question is going to
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be how big do we win? Now we have the
same Groundhog Day story going on every single week. Now.
It seems like the Snops case in the Ocean Tactical case.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Two cases.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
One is Maryland's ban on semi automatic firearms. The other
is Rhode Island's ban on standard capacity magazines. Once again,
on Friday, these US Supreme Court did a conference on it.
They got together to talk about it. Should we accept
these cases. I'm talking to you on Sunday. Maybe on
Monday we will know. You know, they got three choices.
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They can deny cert say we're not gonna hear the case.
They can grant cert and say we're are going to
hear the case and we'll make the decision on the
merits of it.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Or they can kick.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The can down the road a little more and say
we're not going to decide now we're gonna maybe look
at it sometime in the future. We really need the
Supreme Court to take these cases. We really need the
Supreme Court to rule that the states cannot ban legally
owned guns that are commonly owned and used.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
For lawful purposes.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Once we get that ruling, then all these bands that
are being passed in New Mexico's trying to pass one
right now. California obviously has, There's a number of states
have these bands commonly on guns. These bands go away
if we could get this through the Supreme Court. We're
at the point now where everybody involved watching this is
(21:13):
making guesses and now we're just tired of We're tired
of you making guesses. I don't know who the problem is.
I don't know if it's Amy Cony Barrett. I don't
know who it is. Hey, look all these people are
bashing Amy Cony Barrett online.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's no point in that. You're not getting us anywhere.
It's not gonna change anything. And she's good on something,
she's not great on some other things. That's kind of
the way it goes to some of these justices. She's
not a true conservative. Okay, fine, but we may get it.
We may get her on our side. I don't know
what's going on in the background. I don't know what's
going on behind closed doors. Keeping my fingers crossed. Follow
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me on X. I am at gun Talk and if
we get a decision tomorrow, I'll put it out there.
You'll be the first to know. I'll have information for
you on what's going on there. If you want to
join us, our number is Tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Do you use dial up stuff on your scope when
you're hunting or do you just hold on and shoot
the critter and make it happen.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
I have tried it both.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I've gone back to the tried and true always just
shoot it. All right, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm
Tom Gresham, of course, and you can join us. All
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Speaker 5 (22:31):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know how much I like going on gun Broker
and looking at the cool guns. I talk about it
all the time, and yet it does cost me money occasionally,
but it's money well spend, right, because money you spend
on guns and AMMO is definitely not wasted. Well, they've
got some cool stuff coming up, actually, I think starting
today Sunday, let me bring in my longtime friend Dwight
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van Brunt, because Dwight, you've got a collection that I
think people need to know about.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I do too.
Speaker 11 (22:59):
It's from a good friend of ours. Sadly it's in
a state, but it's Dick Metcalfe's estate.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, but people should know that Dick was a writer
for Guns and m O and all of those publications
for many, many years. He was quite the student of guns.
And a lot of people didn't know that Dick had
a PhD from Yale, but he tried to hide.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That he did.
Speaker 11 (23:22):
He did, and he actually taught his PCs in history,
and he actually taught history for a little while and
at at a collegiate level, and then gave it all
up to roll the bones and become a gun writer.
And we're all the better for it.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
See, they didn't just go to show you that PSDs
are not that smart.
Speaker 11 (23:45):
I can't I can't imagine how much more money he
would have made staying in the collegiate system and the
ivy system than he would have gun writing. But he
wanted to go home to pass a park where his
families owned that prop since literally the just right after
the Civil War and he wanted to go home preserve
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that work, become a gun writer. And he did it,
and he did a great job of it well.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
In the process, of course, Dick ended up acquiring a
lot of very interesting, cool and sometimes either rare or
unique guns. Give us an idea of what you've got,
what's going to be offered here.
Speaker 11 (24:25):
Dick asked me more than twenty years ago if I
would handle things for him when he was gone, when
his gun specifically, and I didn't really think much about
it at the time, agreed to do it. He said,
Dwight've got a lot of guns, and some of them
are pretty cool, and I think you you take care
of just take care of things for me. So his
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brother George brought the guns out last fall. There were
about two hundred and forty of them. I divided them
into three groups, which is normally how I handle these things.
There were the plain old guns, and those went to
my local auction house. There were the there were quite
a few good guns. Those I've already sold on the
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national market, not attributed to Dick. But the best guns
are the Dick Metcalf Collection, which goes live at ten
pm Eastern this Sunday on Gunbroker, exclusively on Gunbroker, and
there are almost one hundred guns. They're the best of
the guns that he had and some of the special
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The highlights would be seventeen rugers that all have his
VIP serial number one, nine seven, five rifles, six pistols,
six revolvers, some tremendously interesting Smith and Wessons. One that's
documented is one of one hundred and seventy one ever made.
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One that is probably one of one or one of two,
a six inch Model sixty three and with ivory grips,
clearly a very special gun. There are two prototype four
sixties with consecutive serial numbers. There are two first run
four sixties with consecutive serial numbers, several five hundreds, some
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several going through the Smith and Wessons unique finishes, black
over stainless matt instead of polished blue, things like that.
There's over two dozen smiths that are in this and
they're very nice. Many of them are very very nice.
Five Dan Wessons, and I really think that these are
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going to be some of the most contested items. There's
a thirty two, a forty one magnum stainless, a forty
four and two four forty fives and one of the
four to forty five supermags. One of the four to
forty five is an Alaskan Guide prototype and that is rare, rare, rare, ripe,
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and it goes on. And there's fifteen or sixteen long
guns in total other than the rugers. But and there's
some great custom pistols. You might know of one. It's
actually kind of famous. It's called it's Dick Metcalf's Brown Heine.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Have you heard of that gun? I have not that.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I got to imagine people are thinking, what do you
guys talking about brown Heine?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
No, no, no, no, no, I know where you're going with this.
Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
Well, you know, obviously Dick was buddies with many of
the custom gun builders, and he has one that was
put together by Ed Brown and Richard Heine together for him,
and it was it was kind of an afterthought. But
I remember him talking to me about that gun a
long time ago and he said, yeah, it's my brown
Heine and and he he but it is and it's
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wonderfully funny and in an odd way, but it's a
tremendous gun. It's one of the few guns that Dick
was was really fussed over. He didn't use it that much.
He was a user. Guns were tools to him.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Tommy, all right, I got to ask you, when people
go on gun Broker, how do they find this collection?
Or basically how do they find your guns? Because for
people that don't know you do you're a gun broker,
reseller find guns and you're always there on gun broker,
how do they find right?
Speaker 11 (28:23):
Well, my company name is Sportsman's Legacy, as Sportsman's Legacy,
and that can get you just go on and search
and gosh, I think I have between guns and books
three hundred and forty listings right now, and when when
Dick's collection comes up, it'll be well over four hundred listings.
But a gun broker is supporting this auction in a
(28:44):
very interesting way. They're going to put leader banners across
the top of the landing page. They're going to create
a they've created it's not ready to go up yet,
you won't see it until Monday tomorrow, March tenth. But
the gun Broker's done in such a way that they're
creating a store for this so they can just simply
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search Metcalf and that will take you to that portion
of my listings, and if you want to see everything,
then just simply sportsman's legacy.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Very good, Hi Dwight, thank you so much. I appreciate
your time. Man, Hi, don't go far. Gun Talk'll be
right back.
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I just wanted to say congratulations on thirty years of
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a privilege, but a joy to work on the show
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We got together, made some recordings, having some fun. Thanks
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This is Gun Talk. If you just landed here, Yeah,
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I know you have questions and I think I probably
can help you. The number here is Tom Talk Gun
very easy. Johnny called in out of Texas, Canada. Hey Johnny,
how can we help you today?
Speaker 14 (32:42):
Way?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Tom?
Speaker 14 (32:43):
Are you doing?
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I am wonderful?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Well?
Speaker 14 (32:46):
Praise the Lord. Hey, I know you collect a lot
of guns, and you've been around more than a couple
of days. What do you think about the Winchester Octagon
barrel eighteen ninety two?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What a fun rick. Well, first, let me back up.
I do not collect guns. I am not a gun
collector at all. I have some guns that I shoot,
but I don't have anything like collect. If I can't
shoot it, I don't want it. So having said that, though,
that is a really fun gun.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Is uh do you have? First of all, let me
back up, do you have one?
Speaker 14 (33:21):
Yes, sir, I sure do.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Well, heck what am I talking about? You got the gun?
Tell me about it?
Speaker 14 (33:27):
Well, I bought it probably about probably about thirty years ago,
and it's been a fun gun. I have a brother
that reloads handloads, and he's it's hard to get ahold
of the good bullets, so I keep the brass and
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he handloads and upgrades it with the faster burning powder
which gives it a better shot.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And well, let me let me ask you with that
long heavy barrel and shooting this basically almost a barment
lowd just you know you get eleven one hundred to
thirteen hundred feet per second, not much velocity. That's got
to be like the sweetest shooting little rig.
Speaker 14 (34:13):
Oh it is, man, it is. I've had several people
they would like to have it. Yeah, I said, Well,
it's not for sale. I mean it is a fun gun.
I mean I was my dad taught me how to shoot.
There were since I grew up, and I have several
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other guns, but I try to you know, I used
to shoot a whole lot. But you get to the
point where why waste the ammunition?
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Well? Yeah, and also you got different guns you want
to try. Let me ask you. Have you hunted with
this guy? He ever take me out to hunt with it? Yeah?
What'd you hunt?
Speaker 14 (35:00):
Well? Now, if you go hont deer you yeah, they
got to be close in.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, it's pretty It's more of a small game. I
mean I would think maybe hunting squirrels or something like
that would.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Be food.
Speaker 14 (35:17):
En barnments, just you know, short game.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Right.
Speaker 14 (35:22):
Like I said, I have a other guns that I
like to chew, but this is just something that's just
fun to have. And it's iconic.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean, you know there's something if people haven't
done it, and I know everybody likes these lever actions
with these short barrels and they carry well, but a
level action with a longer barrel with one of the
heavier barrels and octapon barrels. When you put that to
your shoulder and get the sights on target. Nothing moves.
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It's just like it's hanging there. It's almost like it's
holding itself up, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 14 (35:57):
I mean I haven't missed it.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
That's saying something right there.
Speaker 14 (36:05):
I mean I like, I like having guns. I got
a Springfield forty five nineteen eleven and that's a sweet
gun too.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah it is. I love nineteen eleventh, I do.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
But you know, there's just something so classic about a
lever action, and then you get it in a kind
of an offbeat cartridge, like a thirty two to twenty,
and you can't find factory Ammo for it. But it's
not you're not going to fight it at your local store.
But reloading is a real smart deal. Well, I'm glad
that I asked you the question, because you called to
ask me. I'm thinking, Man, I don't have one of those,
but you do. So we got education out of this, Johnny,
(36:41):
thank you for the call. I appreciate that, sir. Very
cool lever action long barrel, heavy barrel lever actions. Some
of the old Winchester made these commemoratives for a lot
of years, and a few of those had the longer barrels,
and when you first pick them up, if he was like,
oh man, it's the gun. Yeah, it kind of is,
(37:03):
but when you're go in to shoot it, all that
weight out in front stabilizes it, you know. And clearly,
if you shoot off arrest, maybe it doesn't matter as much.
But man, if you're shooting off hand, there's something. It's
more than something special. It's almost magical the way it feels,
(37:26):
and just so much fun. I'm glad to see so
many people being interested in lever actions. And now we
have all these companies with lever Obviously you got Winchester Marlin,
but you got Smith and Wesson making lever action, Savage
making lover Action twenty two is ROSSI. Obviously, Henry probably
(37:49):
is responsible honestly for the resurgence in interest in lever actions,
because Henry did something that nobody else was doing. They
started advertising in general interest magazines, and then they started
advertising on widespread television, not just outdoor programs but everywhere.
(38:11):
And we couldn't get ads for ars or handguns in
general interest magazines, but they would run and ad for
a lover action because it's kind of cowboy. It's John
Wayne it's America, and they didn't think of anything about
it as like, oh, nobody uses those for crimes, so
we can take the ads.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Well, Henry was smart.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Their marketing was out there, putting it in front of everybody,
and people are going, that just looks cool. We got
to get one of those. Whether or not they were
really into guns, they would go out and buy Henry
and that became kind of their gateway drug into shooting.
And nothing wrong with that. We'll get them anyway we can,
because once you get started in shooting, you realize, man,
this is fun and these are a bunch of fun people.
(38:52):
And I kind of like the values that I see
out there. What's the next gun we ought to get?
And maybe we got to take a clent and oh yeah,
I mentioned what's the next gun we're going to get? Well,
at least that's why I approacheship. They said that you
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can't really appreciate where you are until you know where
you've been. So with that in mind, I'm thinking about
the thirty years of gun talk radio here gun talk now,
because it's not just radio, it's a lot of different things.
My good friend Alan got Leab changed the landscape on
the legal front more than thirty years ago. Alan took
(39:38):
a look at the scholarship on the Second Amendment. He said,
you know where they're teaching in law schools is wrong.
They're basically teaching that the Second Amendment is a dead letter.
It's not important to always paying attention to it. We
need to change the scholarship about the Second Amendment. And
he started funding research that got published in a law journal.
(40:01):
And then probably the most important one. I don't think
Alan had anything to do with this one, but probably
came about because of other articles being written in law journals.
It was titled the Embarrassing Second Amendment, The Embarrassing Second Amendment.
It was written by Sandford Levinson and he was a
(40:23):
professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law,
and Sandy Leon Levinston was was is pretty leftists, pretty
out there law professor. But he approached this with an
intellectual honesty.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
And one of the.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Things I like because what he basically said was, look,
we have to pay attention to the Second Amendment. We
in the legal world, the academic world. It's not a
dead letter. And a few things he wrote. Let me
read this to you. He says, I cannot help but
spect that the best explanation for the absence of the
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Second Amendment from legal consciousness of the elite bar including
that component found in the legal academy, is derived from
a mixture of sheer opposition to the idea of private
ownership of guns. And this is interesting and perhaps subconscious
fear that altogether plausible, perhaps even winning interpretations of the
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Second Amendment would present real hurdles to those of us
supporting prohibitory regulation. Thus the title of this essay the
Embarrassing Second Amendment, for I want to suggest that the
Amendment may be profoundly embarrassing to many who both support
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such regulation and view themselves as committed to zealous adherents
to the Bill of Rights. A lot of honesty there,
he said. Look, we academics teaching law probably ignore the
Second Amendment because we don't like guns. We don't teach
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the Second Amendment the right way because we think there
are to be more restrictions on guns. And furthermore, if
we actually really looked into it, and if we realized
that the Second Amendment meant what it said, and it
said that individuals have the right to keep in their arms,
(42:31):
then that would run a foul of our desire to
have more gun control. But also it kind of puts
us at odds with our own self image of people
who want to support and defend the Bill of Rights,
because we're ignoring one of the ten amendments in the
(42:52):
Bill of Rights. Sanford Levinson's law school article, the Embarrassing
Second Amendment changed the scholarship. And honestly, if it had
not been for that and all the work that Alan
got Leave did in changing the scholarship on Second Amendment,
we would not have gotten the Heller decision, or the
(43:14):
Brewing decision, or the McDonald's decision, or the Catando decision,
the decisions that said the right to keep it bear
arms is real and you cannot ban guns that are
in common use for lawful purposes. So it's a long
time coming, and we are working on it now. So
if we want something to happen thirty years from now,
(43:35):
maybe the less it is, we better start the day
and persevere and keep at it for a long long time.
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