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Gun Talk 08.17.25 After Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
So you've made it through or three hours of the
regular show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little
bit more.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
So that's why you found the.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved all the
best things that we can't say on regular radio.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
It's time for the after show. We got together. We're
gonna yack a little bit. I got Michelle Cleveland, Jim Kimsey,
and I'm out here in the middle of corn country
in Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, you fit right in with us.

Speaker 6 (00:57):
Next week you're heading to Iowa.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, corn we either have corn or beans, one or
the other.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Actually, tonight I will be in iOS. So you drive
across across the state and get over there or stay
because I'd like to give me state soon as I can.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
So there you go in Iowa. What is their gun
related in Iowa?

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Maybe the Brown elves just perhaps the center of the
gunsmithing universe right right there.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Because we know they do anything you do, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
We know. My deal is if they don't have it,
you don't need it, and I probably don't need it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
So there's that you need to trade in all of
the screwdrivers because there for some reason, the edges are
all ruined on them.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
And Hi, I'd like a hundred new screws. So all
of mine have the heads all boggered up on them,
and they came that way. I'm sure they came that
way from the factory.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Maybe a tap and die so would become pretty handy there.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
That's right. Screwdrivers that have alarms in them. If I
pick them up, the alarm goes off.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Put it down, step down, and step away from the
fire ry.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
Back away there you go. Hey, let's go Buyron out
of Colorado. Who gets a call and he's got me.
I can't say that he actually has something probably more
worthwhile to say that we do. But who does it?
Right Byron?

Speaker 7 (02:26):
How you doing man, I'm doing great, I'm doing great.
Earlier on you had a guy who had custom bifocals
to address the ability to see the target. I had
brought up on an issue that I have seen the
target because I try to shoot one inch orange dots
at twenty five yards and I used high viz sights

(02:50):
that are either the green bead or the red bead,
and they are twice the diameter of a one inch dotty.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Yards sure, so the front side is completely covering up
and obliterating your target.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
You're trying to hit right and I'm trying to increase
my accuracy. But I need to figure out if there
is a smaller front site of beads available. One of
those rods, either the red plastic or the green plastic
rod available on the market. I could find that's not

(03:26):
true glow. I've tried that and it's not high viz.
I've tried that brand. Is there a different brand out
there that's a smaller diameter to shoot at more precisely
at small one inch target at twenty five yards?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
The problem, I think is if it's a smaller diameter,
it's not going to fit the fixture that you have
on the gun for the site anyway that houlds the tube.

Speaker 7 (03:48):
That's the whole thing. I actually have to change out
the complete front site on multiple firearms.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yeah, and if you're going to do that, And then
the question becomes, are you completely mayor to the idea
of a fluorescent tube front site or would you be
willing to go to something like a brass front site,
a brass b front site.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
No.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
I would be open to any idea that would get
my accuracy right on. For you know, a group of
five at one inch diameter target at twenty five yards.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
We're talking about going to target sites, aren't we right?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I actually did a phone a friend, so thank
you to my husband.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Who is a.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Not only is a gunsmith, but a heck of a shot.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
That's right. Yeah, yes, yeah. So he recommended a company.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Called Dawson Precision and I went online and it is
a pretty skinny front site and they do actually make it.
I did look to see they do have the riger
twenty two forty five listed there, and they have lots
of other brands Dawson, DAWs and I'm looking up right now.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
I did not know them. I have just learned Dawson
Precision dot com.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yes, and they're like forty dollars sites. I mean that's
pretty reasonable.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Not terrible, and you know, you can do it yourself.
If you get a site pusher, or you can just
walk on with a hammer the way I do.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Okay, and you'll meet him in Iowa.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
With brownhils and say hi, I need some more parts.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
But yeah, and they'll go you again exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
And you know, if it's something that you can't do,
I'm sure there's a gunsmith you know locally that you
can find that will replace those sites for you.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
But yeah, Dawson precision.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, so hats off to Chad, and we'll have to
give him times a billing address, try consultation fee.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
It's good to have the usual rate, right, yes, what
and what's two times zebo? Yeah? There you go.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
With those sites here, I like this, you know, I
like target sites when you're just trying to be precise.
It really makes a difference.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
But yeah, but Byron, to your point, it's those glow
basically like almost glow in the dark, but they're not.
But they're high viz or fluorescent optic sites. I love
those for picking up. They're fast and easy to see,
particularly in the daylight. Now not so much it indoor ranges.
I don't think they glow as well. That's when you've

(06:27):
got some sunlight on, but they are a little bit
would to be unkind to say they're crude, Well, it's
just it's big. Yeah, you know, it's just.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
Too And I was really surprised that that came standard
on the new king Kobra that I bought recently, a
King Kobra target, that's what came on. It was basically
a high vis site. That's kind of crude.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, probably most people and I'm not I'm not trying
to poke the bear or anything on that, but probably
most people aren't shooting the one inch of dots.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Most people are happy with minute of paper. I mean,
I mean, you know, it's like, okay, yeah, hey, I
hit the target. Look I got a nice eight inch group.
You know at ten yards wonderful, aren't aren't you impressive
range like that? Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's right. So
now I think you're and people they say, oh I
can really see that front site. That's what they want.

(07:26):
If you're a gun maker, you have to get it
equipped so that it is attractive in the gun store,
not necessarily what works best at the range.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Unfortunately, right, I think we have the same problems with
the red dots or anything else too. They're too big.
Three minute of angle is sometimes too big.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well, and look, if you're using a self defense situation
and you just need to put it on somebody's you know,
chest or whatever, that works great. Yeah, you can find
it in a hurry. Same with the you know, the
low in the dark, the fluorescent sights or whatever, the
optic sits. But if you're trying to do target work,
that's why they make target sits, right.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
And I know a lot of people switch over, and
you know that's where they start to get into scopes
when they get a little bit more you know, potentially
competitive and want to see something differently. But I mean
that's a different world. There's a lot of people that
just love iron sights and there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, tell you what, I why don't you try these
and maybe you can order a set from Dawson Precision
and let us know how it works out for you.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
I will, I will if it works, I'll definitely let
you know.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Awesome, perfect sounds good. Hey, Michelle, thank you, thank you,
and thank you for your secret Santa helpers.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I appreciate my husband's health. His name is Chad.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
There you go, all right, we've just outed you that
you're married.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Oh my, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, but it's a good and I'm like, I'll let
them know I had a phone a friend.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yeah, I was telling Tom earlier.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
You say thank you for and gun talk and I
have your first name please, And one day some guy's
going to propose to you.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
He's going to say, I'll.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Give you my first name, but I'm also going to
give you my last name.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh my goodness, Jim, how are you single?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Shots pull the day? Oh my god, that's right. Then
she says, please hold for my husband. Oh yeah, by
the way, it's like a world class shooter. By the way,
you don't want to know that.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't think that one through. It.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Still it still throws me a little bit because almost
all day long today when I've answered the phone, people
like hey, Michelle, I'm like, it's just oh, if.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
They know who you are, they know your voice.

Speaker 6 (09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
I try to reach it at your day job throughout
the week, but you were busy. So you're calling you
here where I know I can get you.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Michelle. I'm calling you about that restraining order.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, that's put an extended car warranty.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
That's right, if we could combine the two.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Lord. Yeah, so you know the three eighties don't really
work that well in the nine melater, just saying just weird,
the same bullet diameter out of work, right. It was funny.
I was stick them in the magazine, going it's like
they don't stick out far enough in the mag they

(10:20):
kind of look smallish. And then you go and then
they meet. I went, oh, say's gotta be three eighties.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
So let's go back to like Hunter's that class where
we teach head stamping.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
We'll teach what there's a data stamp like.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
On the back of the case or something.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, and it is normally the box and then you
check it to the barrel.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
She's like, you hold them right next to each other
and see the barrel and the head stamp and go,
huh those aren't they saying that's that's could be a thing.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
That's right. Okay, Well, as long as I got him here,
let's just try him anyway and you could work.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Man, you may have a misfire, I may have something
go wrong. I'm gonna hand it the time handy. Hey, Tom,
lets you shoot this gun.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I think it was done on purpose or accidentally on
purpose so he can enable himself to purchase a new
three eighty pistol while I was on the road.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Oh, I thought your many was just looking for content
for the radio.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
So that's right. If you got am on, you don't
have a gun for you.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know what that means, all right, I mean you
can go pick up a little max, that's right.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
I did have a buddy who had six or five
creed More and he got a smoking deal on some
six AM. Except when it got there it was six
milimeters creed.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
More, whoops.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
And he bought a bunch. It's like, who can I
sell this to? And I said nobody, And so it's
like went on for a year or two. I said, well,
you know what the solution is. And so finally he goes, okay,
I'll bought a six more rifle barreled it or yeah, no,
just buy a new rifle, new one to go with
the six five. And we're not talking about replacing, of course,

(12:00):
you just it's always add on. Yeah, we're not replacing.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I not only have the six I have the six five,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
And people say, well, isn't the six creed More kind
of the same as a two forty three. And I said, yes,
it is, except that now you get to be one
of the cool kids. Right, you got a creed More thing,
and so you can shoot one thousand yards with it
and have less recoil and spot your hits. And he says, yeah,
but I hunt in the woods. Yeah, no, it's sime. No.

(12:34):
But if you're shooting those kind of long range games,
it makes sense. And there's the thing is you want
low recoil for one primary reason is so that you
can actually see the misses through the scope.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
The misses, the miss she should be home many minutes.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, what's a miss? Right? I've heard that people do that.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Right, Normally you just wait for the gong, not the miss.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
But if you know, you shoot, and if you can
see that puff a dirt on the left side of
the steel that you're shooting at, yep. With that, all
you do is just immediately hold over on the right
side and do it again, press the trigger again, and
it's a quick way of getting there. On some of
these long range shooting.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Games, that's some windage.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
We call that there's windage thing, and we're not dialing.
We're not doing anything. We're just sliding the crosshairs over
and pressing. Because you can see how far you miss.
That's the beauty if you say, okay, I miss, I'm
five inches left. The wind must be blowing up, and
I'm just going to go whole five inches right. Do
that and bang? Look at that and made my head.
Let's keep moving.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Look at that. Hold me a favor.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
There you go, and then you get into the hole.
That's why you need to go take classes. Favor right,
favor left yep. What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
You're a shooter the other day that wanted to just
shift over right. I'll just move right. I'll stand the
right part of the store. Yes, insistent, stand on the
milk crate and.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, hitting you know, the typical hitting low left.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Consistently, like okay, Like let's slow this down, you know,
let's do a little bit of more trigger work.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Like no, no, I think if I just go further
to the right, it'll be okay.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Wait, physically stand to the right.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
That's no, that doesn't but yes, no, if I just
move over in the booth to the right.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
It'll be fine.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
If I stand in this milk crate.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like, okay, well, let's try it your way.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
If not, I hadn't thought of that, that's for me.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Well, you know like our commercial, that our Goofy commercial
we did for fund, you shoot higher and rider move
the target lower and left.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
You just physically stand over in the booth further to
the right.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Okay, I had never heard that one strips.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
With you under any range.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Manufacturers have that as an option, Like you can slide
over this the wall, just move the wall six inches
either way.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
I'm just puzzling over that.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
So instead of the targets moving back and forth down
range and back, it's gonna move left or right.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Well you know why why did you shoot to the left. Well,
I'm preparing for moving targets. That's what I'm doing. I'm
leading it. That's what I'm doing. Okay, okay, and absolutely does.
Let's take our break here, because if we don't, Gym's
gonna yell at me again. Put all your gear on

(15:44):
that you carry and then roll around on the ground. Now,
get up all your gear that's on the ground. That's
what you're not going to have in a fight.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Gun talks should be in your podcast feed. Check out
gun Talk Nation.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
What's it like to be blown up?

Speaker 7 (15:56):
You know, if it's like C four, it's almost like
a smack hunt.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
Yeah, we talk about that too. On your crosshairs, I
like a thin crosshair. A.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
You're really dating yourself by calling things crosshairs.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
You're redical whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Have some fun and stay informed with the Gun Talk Podcast.

Speaker 6 (16:17):
Welcome back to the Gun Talk After Show.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
I'm Jim Kenzie along with Michelle Cleland and.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
Oh yes, I'm the great inabler Inaedbling. Your need to
buy more? You need a gun and shooting is fun.
Why buy one when you can buy four?

Speaker 6 (16:53):
And I won't make him suffer through the rest of it,
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Mister Tom Gresham, sorry, I was online buying something.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Cuche.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
All I wanted to do was snap my fingers and
do the background music.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yes, yeah, Well, Sundays are a fun time because that's
when a lot of the gun broker auctions end. And
so during the show, I'm getting notifications of your whats
item is about to you know in you go check
it out and I'm going, oh, look at that.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Should you use that like as your clock reference? Hey, Tom,
can you give me a call seventy two hours after
gun Broker early Wednesday morning.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
It would be for us lay people.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Oh, this one just went up. Never excuse me, I
got to take a look at this. We're up to
five twenty five now, Okay, thank goodness, it's a right
handed Actually, I just I don't know why I'm following
it and watching it. I don't want it. I'm not
going to buy it, but it's just fun to say, Okay,
I wonder what that's going.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
To go for zero hour gun broker.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
It's like when my son Ryan, he sold yachts and boats,
and he said, yeah, they had some customers. They called
him the whistling Gophers. They go what they go, what's
happen Goper? If you know that's right, whistling go. And

(18:14):
it reminds me one of my favorite boat. Boat names
are creative and people are fun. Sometimes they're lame, but
this one was perfect. It was on one of those
like triple engine cigarette boats, super fast, big monster thing,
you know, and the name of the boat was none
of your business. All the questions, right, it's like, how

(18:40):
much is that? Why did you buy that? What do
you Yeah, what do you do for a living, how
do you know, it's like, yeah, all of that, same
answer for all of it.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Don't you love going down the road and you're like, oh,
that's a Browning lover or oh there, yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
They got the buck bark and in the back window.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
And things, all the details.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
The logos a you're going oh night force. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
Or my least favorite, this is protected by Smith and Wesson.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Right well, uh no, I'll have to say.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I saw one the other day that I hadn't seen before,
and it's in really big black and white. It says
forty five ACP because shooting twice is silly.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Oh, no, one, I haven't seen that before.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Since we're going down memory lane. Tom had a great one.
I still have it. Tom.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
It's I bought two of them. I don't know what
happened to one of them, but I still have one
of them. It's a I don't know, maybe ten by
fourteen plastic sign. It's a picture of a school with
a red line through it. It says school free gun zone.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
That's right, remember those?

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, we had we had those printed
up a while back. Yeah. Then there's the T shirt
that Buddy Mint has it's got a outline of a
forty five a CP cartridge says, I'm like the forty five,
a CP fat and.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Slow, but you don't want to get hit by.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
That's funny, and I do love.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
The forty five. It's just that man, the price of
amm o versus nine, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
But you know you don't have shoot once, not twice. Tom,
where we go different.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
Ways, Tom Gresham. You can put nines in a forty five, well.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
It doesn't work, but you can shoot forties in the
forty five. Oh yeah. They will often go off. They
will rarely be accurate, since you kind of hear the
bullet rattle down the barrel because it's not going to
engage the rifling.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Of course, I just say, you want you want to
have any stations.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
No goes down the barrel, You go fine. It makes
a funny sound when it goes off to it's like
a weird poof kind of a which is one of
those Yeah, it's one of those reminders of you know,
if you pull the trigger it sounds funny, you might
a't gonna stop and find out what just happened.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think that's an important message to bring up every
now and then just to pay attention to what it
sounds like, it feels, yeah, the whole thing, you know.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
And we talk about rifles and pistols a lot, but man,
that is really true in shotguns because what you may
have is a kind of a blooper load where the
wad did not exit the barrel, the plastic wad gets
stuck in the barrel and the next time you pull
the trigger, you're all will blow up the barrel. And

(21:44):
I've had that happen where I say stop, stop, stop, stop,
you know, let's look, and sure enough there's a wad
stuck in the barrel and you got to take a
clean rod or something and shove it out of there.
So just be aware if it sounds weird to not
pull the trigger.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Again, it's right, yeah, one know what it feels like
usually right, no one, it sounds like now.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
I did just see a picture post online of somebody,
uh one gun company, and they'd gotten a gun back
and it had like thirty bullets stuck in the barrel. Ooh,
it's so somebody is sitting there just going bang bang
bang bang bang bang bang. Nothing's coming out. They're not
hitting a target. I guess they have no expectation of

(22:25):
hitting a target.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Must a long barrel?

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah? Is a rifle?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Oh yeah. So he's got all these bullets stuck in
the barrel until finally the thing won't cycle because you know,
there's no room to shove a cartridge in because bullets
are now sticking out of the back of the chamber
or something.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Take your guns. I can't help it, sir. I only
have eleven brass rods, and i'd go through way more than.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
That's crazy kind of a testament to how strong the
guns are.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now, I was just gonna say, I mean, yeah, depending
on the build, two would have been enough.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Hard to imagine. And I'm still kind of working on
the idea of moving to the right side of the
shooting booth though I'm hitting left, so I'm going to
physically take a step to the right.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
You need movable walls in the range, I'm telling them.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
So I like the theory, but you know it just
it's like, Okay, we're not strong on the concept here.
I just need to work on something.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Or if you could get her a noise activated target mover,
so as soon as she shoots the title jump jumps.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
In, jumps in front of the bullet. Okay, I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's just really to keep her happy.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
You want to sell her more Studyes.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Just it makes my head hurt. It makes me sad,
you know. At the same time.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
This is what it's come down to.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's like, just really, I swear to you, if we
if we just slow it down and work on trigger,
well we'll be good.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Oh no, that's not it. No, No, that can't be it.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Nope, Nope.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
You got a wind cutting through, that's all that.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, And then of course saying people will say no,
I'm not flinching. Yeah, I'm never flinching. Right, Okay, Well,
we're gonna handle the magazine I'll loaded for you, and
just slip a couple of dummy rounds in there.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
You know, have you ever what happens?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
And I'm sure working with like hammer and nails, how
many times you know somebody blink when they go to
hit the nail, and you know, don't get it.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
It's the same thing, same thing.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yep. Yeah, but slip some dummy rounds in. You know,
they're going bang bang, and then when it goes click
and that muzzle just jerks down and left. Yep. That
that's what I'm talking about here and it goes.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know, there's something to those well, a laser usage
on a pistols. But the laser trainers that they have
are a great tools.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Yes, they are well. And like I said, you could
do the same thing if you've got a red dot
on your pistol, just to make sure the dot stays
on the target after you press the trigger. Yep.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Mantis makes you know some some great product for y Yeah,
they do, and it's a good one to follow along with.
But yeah, just taking that time and being honest with
yourself as a person, and it hurts sometimes it does.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Well.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I had a perfect example that I have a buddy
who will remain nameless, Bernie.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Nice job.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Where do we find Bernie? Oh he's the guy who's
under the bus there.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, no, he'd appreciate he tells the story because it's great.
He came out to range and I sat it in
his laser form and shot a couple times. Everything's fine.
He gave it to him and he literally at twenty
twenty five feet, he couldn't hit a milk jug. And
he's you know, he's putting the laser huts on the
milk jug. Boom and he's totally missing it, and I'm like, dude,

(25:42):
you flinch it.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Man, I get a laser, all right, So he hands
me the gun, but you shoot it better, Okay, So
take the gun, put three right in the chug right
where the laser was, right right, I said, trust me,
you're flinching.

Speaker 6 (25:54):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
This is where you video right.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, If anybody ever breaks in your house, Bernie, don't
aim at them when I'm high and round.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
And for people to understand the problem is, of course
they swear they're not flinching because the recoil covers it
up right. You can't feel that, you can't see it.
You think I'm doing it all perfectly. And the only
way to break them of that is to have it
go off without any recoil, which is to have a
dummy round or in a revolver and an empty chamber.
And it's like, oh, maybe I am and going yeah,

(26:29):
or that's why.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
You're more seventy five horribly yeah, or seventy five thousand
frames per second video, right.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
It just.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
One of the other things along with it, It is
it is hard to analyze yourself with all of that,
and to be honest with yourself. But you know, slowing
it down and I know that we talk about getting
fast and being precise, but slowing it down and getting
the basics and then working up from there. And you
know there's humble yourself, go and get some help. There's

(27:01):
nothing wrong with going and getting some help.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Well, look at the guys from range ready, they're at
six Sea Range this past week.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Yeah, and there's some of the best shooters there are.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
And there's there's the.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Guys who really are good and they're going to get
in training, right.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I mean, we can always learn something. There's a tip
somewhere from something that can be can be useful.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
And Michelle, I like you think slow it down because
there's a phrase out there people say, so you can't
miss something fast enough to hit right? What, Well, I'm
missing a lot. I'll shoot faster.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And I've seen people that you know reload then they
go through choice as much ammo because they can reload
and cover faster than.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
A person standing next to them shoots one round, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I mean there are lots of people like that, and
there are lots of people that are very good with
slapping the trigger and making that work for them.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
But that's not that's not how I was hot.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
To write a song slapping the triggers, doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Well, do a thing that slap your triggers kind of
like slap your mama.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
Love it.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
That's our Southern phrases. That tastes so good to make
you want to jump up and slap your mama. And
then so I know he came up with a whole
line of spices and the name of it is slap
your mama.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
It is, Yes, Tom Tom hennick Is Baker's like you.
I like those kind of spicy Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
If there's not enough can pepper in that, just keep
adding more. Oh lord, now I'm hungry.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
So there's our Q.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Food time.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Are important, but food.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
That's right. You know, you can't live without guns, but
you can live longer without guns than you can without food.
So there you go. Hm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
I think it depends on a certain.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
That's true. That's right, because when you need a guy
you like right now, Yeah, she'll forgetlish said, trust me,
everybody does.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
Well.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Do you guys have a wonderful week?

Speaker 6 (29:21):
Yeah, and you finish up the gun Talk Corn tour.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
I'll be out in the land of corn.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I mean, if you really get bored with it,
you can head toward Ohio. We've got corns.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Yeah you do, don't you. Yeah, it's probably pretty high by.

Speaker 6 (29:35):
Now, it is seven depends.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
There you go. All right, see you guys next week.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Be safe.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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