October 26, 2025 • 26 mins
In This Hour:
-- His pistol didn't feed reliably at first. It often takes a few hundred rounds before a new gun breaks in and functions correctly. .
-- Especially on smaller pistols an optical sight really improves accuracy.
-- Why do some ammunition companies make .45ACP brass with small pistol primers?
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-- His pistol didn't feed reliably at first. It often takes a few hundred rounds before a new gun breaks in and functions correctly. .
-- Especially on smaller pistols an optical sight really improves accuracy.
-- Why do some ammunition companies make .45ACP brass with small pistol primers?
Gun Talk 10.26.25 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show podcast,
where we saved all the best things that we can't
say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim
for the Gun Talk After Show.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's time for that lovely part of the show we
call the after show, which is not exactly like leftovers,
but it's kind of we love leftovers. Oh yeah, spaghetti
gets better second day too. I don't know what that is.
So we got Jim and Michelle, Hey, guys man, Yeah,
we got Howard and Jeff too, so we ought to
(00:55):
go grab at least one of them. Let's Howard to
start off with. Out of this is so weird. Howard
is in Winchester, but he wants to talk about a SIG.
I guess he could have been in Sig and wants
to talk about a Winchester. So I don't know, Hey, Howard,
we're taking advantage of you.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's Okay, I will get the search to the point
because Michelle said too, and I always smart women.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
God, yes, sir, you have the floor.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Uh, I'm getting ready for my annual trip to see
Chris down in range Ready Studios nice. And in the process,
I went and bought me a new gun belt, and
I said, you know what, I've been thinking about getting
a three P three sixty five. Well, you know what
(01:49):
you always say there.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Tom might as well might as well.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I got micro which I think is the original
standard yep yep yep in stop kicks ready, and I
went to my friend's house today to tie it out.
He's got one two. The first round I shot, I
didn't do that well and quite frankly, I had a
(02:18):
fall here to a jet but that's uh, you know,
teething pains as I as I reckon uh A couple
uh A few rounds failed to go fully into battery,
but after a while it worked out. No complaint against it.
This is probably the tenth SIG product I've bought.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, it's just breaking in that that's not unusual with
a new Semiato yep.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So uh.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
But what I wanted to say is eventually I bought
a a couple of days later, the sting for a
new magazine for it. I also got a hollow sun
I think it's the five oh seven with the green
UH emitter to put on top of it. I've shot
red dots for my competition guns, and typically I do
(03:08):
better with iron sights. But when I put that holosun on,
my shooting improved dramatically. I don't quite know what happened,
but it well better.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I can tell you.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One of the things that probably happened is that the
three six five is a small gun. It's got a
short sight radius and it's just hard to get the
sites lined up precisely with a short sight radius. And
you put a dot on it, it doesn't matter anymore.
You just put the dot on it and press the trigger.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Oh that's all I got to do.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, why didn't somebody tell me that? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Kelly?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Who knew? Who knew?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So I'm really liking this pistol. I called you a
while ago. I'm saying, I trying several different pistols in
this size. I tried to help that.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I tried to three sixty.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Five the Ruger. I just remember what exactly which one
it was, but I shot the three sixty five steps
and so far I'm very very happy with it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, let me throw this thought out for failures to
feed with a really small, lightweight semi auto. You really
got to grip it hard and lean into it. I mean,
like your nose over your toes and put your body
behind it so that it's got some resistance.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Because it's so light.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
If the gun moves backward or if you kind of
slide backwards, that slide coming back is not going to
have enough resistance. And so you do, in fact get
fayres to feed with smaller pistols.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
All right, thank you for the advice.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
There you go, Just grip the snot out of it,
lean into it, and shoot the devil out of it.
How's that for being technical?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Sure, I'll be shooting the devil out of it in
about a week and a half.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
The DCI core.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh you're doing they pistols? Oh you're You've not taken
that before.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Have you?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
No? I was hoping to take the more basic courses,
but this is the only course that I could fit
in to my schedule. Like I said, this will be
the third time I've been down there. Chris knows me
by name, which I don't know if it is a
good thing or not.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
True.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And if he's going, oh my god, not him again.
So he's been forewarned.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well, look you'll have a ball, have fun, and Chris
will sure teach you how to shoot that three sixty
five because he really likes them. So you're gonna have
a ball. And look, here's the deal. After you do
the DPI class, you got to give.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Us a range of port Okay, I will do that.
Thanks Howard, appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I feel like he got a couple of points there
because he went and got at three sixty five for Chris.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Howard brings up an interesting point.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
Unintentionally, I think a lot of folks will buy a
handgun and start carrying it without shooting it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
As soon as you set a failure to feet, I'm like, oh, well,
at least you're smart enough to you know, right to
do what you should do and run a few boxes
through it and work out any bugs or or if
any Well.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
The other thing that they tend to not do is
clean the firearm before they go out and shoot it,
which can also be an issue in shooting and performance.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
But I mean, if your life depends on it, you
want to make sure all that stuff's taking care of
the max work and everything else.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Good AMMO, test out some different AMMO all matters.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
But you know there's a lot of folks buy a
gun and just a whole ster and they start carrying
it to the range.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Yeah, no, right for sure, So thanks Aard.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You really do need to put I mean, for me,
I always figure at least two hundred rounds and maybe
four or five hundred rounds through a gun before I
bet my life on it. I want it to be
broken in, and by broken in the surfaces of the
slide to the frame, fip. It can be a little
rough at first, and you wanted to just shoot it
(07:07):
a bunch, so it basically burnishes all of those little
rough micro you know, edges off. If you will smooth
it all out, and generally after about one hundred rounds
it just will. They'll run like a top. But it's
not at all unusual to have some problems for the
first box or two have Amma.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Yeah, And I mean it's it's a mechanical, same thing
with the car. You know, often in the first couple
of weeks, you got problems with them because it's breaking in.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, and there's also there's another factor here and the
mechanical stuff. They call it infant mortality. That you're most
like you have a failure on a part or something
in the first three percent of its life. You know,
if you get past that, it'll probably run for twenty years.
You know, if you've got a problem with something a part,
(07:55):
you know, assembly or something, you probably will find out.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Fairly early on.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Man, if it gets past one hundred or two hundred rounds,
the thing will probably run forever.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
Right, which kind of like I get a new car,
I drive it, drive the hell out of it.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
It's gonna break. I'mna have to break early.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
There you go. That's right, I do.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
We had Jeff still hold interstuf.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Let's do this quick break here, we'll come back. Just
pick up Jeff on the backside here, Okay, Jeff, don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Will we ride back.
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Speaker 3 (08:57):
All right, we're back with here. We got Jeff in Knoxville, Tennessee. Jeff,
thank you for your patience because we just blab on
and on and on, don't we.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That's fine. I got all the time in the world
for you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh well, look, putting back on hold. We'll get back.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
What are you doing next week? About your time?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh lord?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
They have to call you next week on the regular
show for another question that I had for you. Didn't
probably take too much time.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So no, no, we got a hell. Look, we're like you.
We got all the time in the world. What's on
your mind?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I'm sitting at the reloaded bench and I've got a question,
a couple of questions for you that one of them
came up old about a year and a half ago
on the show and I never did get to follow
up on it. Do you know of any other companies
that have made the assinine move to short primers or
(09:54):
small primers in their forty fives besides Blazer and the Federal, just.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Go ahead and say what you're really thinking?
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Stop sugarcarn Man.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I wanted wait till the after show.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Uh it is, well, you know, from our perspective as reloaders,
it's a completely acidine move.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
What do you what are you guys thinking?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
There must and I guess the short answer is I
don't know why they're doing it. And for those who
are wondering, what are we talking about? Forty five A
CP cartridge usually has it takes the large pistol primer,
but some manufacturers, notably was a Federal spear c C
I have gone to a small pistol primer in these cases.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I you know what it could be.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Let's let's speculate, because you know that way we can
just make stuff up. I'm guessing if it's a company
like which companies did you say it's Blazer and who else?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And Federal? Are this okay that I'm finding?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
All right?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Imagine this, Both of those companies make primers. Other companies
have to buy primers. Sometimes if you make your own
primers and somebody says, hey, we've got one hundred million
extra small pistol primers, what are we going to do
(11:24):
with those well, let's just go ahead and make brass
and take small pistol primers and we'll use them up.
It might be as simple and goofy as that. I know,
pass and I did it. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It's added another step. Whenever I sort out my brass,
now I have to look and see, Okay, who's doing
the small, who's doing the large? And when you're talking
about what zero point three hundreds of an inch.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Right, can you even tell? Get it? Wow?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah? So basically what I've done, I just did this
the other night, is I sorted the Blazer in the
Federal that I knew were small, and I've just put
them in the recycling bin. I'm not even gonna mess
with them.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know, there's another way to go on this.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Stop buying that brand of AMMO.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, I was thinking exactly on your reloading press. You
can put a hydraulic ram on it and just use
large primers and suade those bad boys right into that
small pocket.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Nothing dangerous about that.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
No, No, I'll pass on.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I came good at dis.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
H you were wrong.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Well, the other question I've got so, so it's I
know Blazer and Federal, and you said Spear and cs I.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I was just making up numbers and names. I don't
know which you want.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's all the same company. The parent company is all
the same.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, cc I, Spear, Blazer, Blauser or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Okay, My other question about nines. Have you had any
experience with trying to reload S and b'sion.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And below or whatever it is I'm trying to Probably not,
because I will tell you I pretty much just buy
cheap range AMMO and don't reload it, particularly nine millimeters.
I don't reload nines at all. I pretty much do
all my reloading for rifles. So the answer is no,
(13:47):
And then the follow up is why, because there's got
to be a reason.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You're asking me.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
There is. And I've looked on a couple of reloading
forums and others that have run into distance actually with
S and B. And I'm finding that the hit stamp
that I'm seeing is CBC. Now I don't know what
company that is, but they do something with their primer pockets,
and if you look at them under a like a
(14:15):
Jewelers magnifying glass, you can see that there's more brass
around the primer pocket more real estate, and on once
fired brass, I have to double clutch. I've got a
deal in progressive. I have to double clutch to get
that primer to fit.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh so it's tight, it's too tight.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
It's tight. Yes, And the other thing I'm finding with
both of these it doesn't matter how many times it's
been fired. It hangs up in the stage too. The
flaring and powder dye really push on that handle to.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That completely messes up your rhythm on a progressive loader.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yes, sir, So what I'm having to do now and
I've I've got I'm not going to tell you how
much clean brass I've got waiting to be reloaded. Instead
of being able to just grab a couple of handfuls
put them into a bucket bringing over to this bitch,
I'm having to throw away and find all the S
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and B and the CBC. Just recycling it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Really slows you down.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Then.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, that's a lot of added steps.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sounds like you need to bite some children or grandchildren over.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Well. I've got to told her she's thirteen years old
and she's slowly getting into shooting and she loves reloading
with me. Awesome, Oh yeah, that would be a good job.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
For uh, I'm liking that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And the red part is I have found smb Ammo
to be pretty accurate and very good AMMO in the factory,
but I've not reloaded any of their brass.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So this is a really interesting report.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yeah. And what's aggravating is during the COVID scare, I've
bought several hundreds of dollars worth of this and b
when I could find them, you know, at a relatively
depressed during that period, So I was stuck with all
kinds of brass.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Could you the brass that you don't want to load,
could you use that as trading stock with somebody else?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
With the reloaders. I hate to do that to them.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, Yeah, that's when you need to fake out of anybody,
or just.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Take it to the recycling center.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Yeah, or just tell them what they're up against.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
And they're buying it a you know, super reduced price
and everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, nobody's will buy that.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
They're not.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
We have one of those metal recycling bins or places companies,
and you can get a little bit of cash for
so they can just go save them all up until
I get a load. It's road throw worthwhile you just
take them and sell them.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, it makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
And look, if I come up with a like, a
reasonable reason for them going to the small pistol primers
and those, I'll put it out there. I'll send a
note to them this week and say, all right, guys,
what's up? Why do you guys do this? And if
I get any kind of answer, I'll be sure to
give it out on the air.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
That sounds good, I'm gonna call you next week during
the regular show because I want to pick your brain
on the no compromise groups.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Okay, with a little.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Voice, noticeable voice inflection. I don't want to take them
too much time.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
All right, We'll put you on the note no call
list to be fine.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I'm on several of those, so.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Our kind of guy understandable. That's right. You fit right
in around here. All right, Thank you, sir. I appreciate
your call. All right, that was kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Did they change still? Are they? Let me? Are companies
still using small pistol primers in forty five a CPMO everdelling?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I mean from what Jeff says they are, I have
run into it, but honestly, I will tell you if
you're just buying factory AMO and shooting it and not
saving the brass, you're just giving us somebody else.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You don't even pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Right, So when you shop, obviously for ammunition to be
able to save your own brass, you're gonna want to
check that before you purchase.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, And can you tell just by looking right?
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean I know that we helped a friend sort
out a bunch of forty five ACP bress for the
same exact reason because they started loading. It's like, what
is going on? Goofy do they don't change load data?
They just changed the primer?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I bet they do.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
When do you think they'd have to have to?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
They they changed load data all the time because they
get different lots of powder.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So is there info out there for the people who
have the.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Small Can you ream out a small pocket to accept
a large primer?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Maybe? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I mean we do have primer pockets, Yes, we do.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That is an actual tool you get. And that's an
interesting question. Could you If.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I were going to do that, I would definitely want
one of the powered ones, not a hand deal. You
wear yourself out doing that.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I got two rounds tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's right. Uh, interesting question.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Okay, now we have our homework assign and we've got
to find out more about this.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, now, Jim, you said, you know before we started
to show that you had something you wanted to up,
and I guess we have to listen to you.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I was just bs and you I don't anything.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I was flying home from a family to get together
here and the guy was flying next to We start
talking and shooting the breeze and turns out he's not
pro gun, but he's not anti gun. And he and
his wife and their daughter and son in law. Actually,
but there's two women of the four of them that
(20:27):
you know, go show houses.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
All the time.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
They're in real estate. That's what they do.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
And I said, oh that I'm assuming you know that
they're both caring and protecting themselves.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
He goes, no, you know, but I've been thinking about
there's sometimes that they get some creeps and weirdos.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
And you know, we're on a good part of the country.
I'm like, there's no good part of the country.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, right, and look the creeps target real estate agents,
who are women.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
They do Oh yeah, yeah, So we chatted a little
bit about it, and by by the end of that
conversation it was like, you know, I'm going to look
into that morn and I get home, get a get
a trainer and stuff, because you know, he's not no
no problem affording the thing. It's not a matter of money.
It's just you know, naivety there that he thought, you know,
that nothing would ever happened because of the part of
the state they're in. But by the end of our
(21:08):
conversation he's looking into it and says, you know what,
I may do the same for myself. I'm like, amen,
all right, well well done, thank you, and then I
just let it go. I don't want to, you know,
drive on the point any further. Sure he got what
he needed to know, and we got each other's email addresses.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
So I'll follow up a.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Little bit subtly, a little passive aggressive salesmanship.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, come back asterday. Look is there anything I can
help you with kind of a thing, and see how
that goes.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I was saying, to find a couple of trainers near
him and send him their links.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Right in that way, he's got some info.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
That was what our buddy ray Elgin used to do.
He said, man's talk about your captive audience. You're sitting
next to somebody on the plane.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
They can't get away from you.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You know, I made sure I had breath ment, so
he so the point went, you know, at home, only
one point.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And that there was turbulence, so he had to be
bolted in.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
All right, so you're not going here for two and
a half hours.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's he pushes the call button and says, you know,
flight attendant.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
Medical urgency, could you could you move me to another seat? Sure,
you're up in the first class anyway, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's right now. I'll take the back of the bus.
I don't care.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're steerage as we steerage. That was the like the
worst area of the ship when you were taking like
an across the Atlantic trip. You could have the fancy plate
rooms and then the middle level and then I guess
the worst ones were called steerage for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Don't know why.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
See when I learned something. Every day I'm gonna talk
show boats and just.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know, aircraft. We are an incessant source of useless information.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Luckily it's only once a week, so it doesn't like
blow your mind you can.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah. No, actually, I'm doing this all the time. You're
just lucky enough not to hear it.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
So I'm going to use you as my phone on
a phone a friend. If I ever you know, getting
any kind of trivia contest or something. Oh yeah, nobody
knows this or cares, but Gresham would know.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I will feed you some of the worst information you've
ever had.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Thank you, that's right, But like an authority.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And in good class, and hang up before he really
gives you the answer. That's right, will choose it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, my wife always says it says you know, says
sometimes you're wrong, but you always sound like you know
what you're doing by talking about it. Really is.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, man, I got to really know stuff you have. No,
actually not at all.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Were you ever into selling cars?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I haven't sunk that low.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
We'll hear about that one, Oh of course we will. Yes,
I'm a pro gun used car salesman. I don't like
to worry.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, I know, used to get in line, I know.
So there you go. We had our filt trader and
filtrated the meeting.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I love that. It's great.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I should start a trend.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I like this idea you know, just find out where
they're going to have a meeting and go be there
because you can. You could be a member of any
of these groups. Doesn't cost anything, right.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I just don't like giving them money to use against us.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right, I understand, But you don't have to pay them anything.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, but for these classes like oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, it's toy bucks. And of course that was just
a way of exposing them. Of course, sure, yeah, I
wouldn't do that. But in terms of if they're just
going to have a meeting to someplace, heck, I think
i'd be interesting, and you know, i'd probably wait to
kind of toward the end because if I start asking questions,
just gonna blow up and they're gonna go, who are you?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
What have you?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Escort out?
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I can see it right now, Michelle and I walking
in heaving her say.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Jim, take off the damn gun talk.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
At because you got a gun talk hat.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
He said, you were the Winch hat. I'll wear the
Remington hat. They'll never know. Oh well, there you go,
but we're a Trigacon hat. They'll have no clue.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What is that. I don't know either.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Alrighty already, alrighty.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Let's say it's changing of seasons and changing the clock
next week. But now it's like, this is so much
easier to carry concealed with all, you know, extra layer clothes.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, yeah, some people change up their firearm completely.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh yes, exactly right. Yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Go to bigger frame guns or larger full size whatever
they want to do.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Go to the full size.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
They are full size, they are.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Why is that guy wearing a duster?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Anytime somebody walks into a bar wearing a duster, it's
a problem.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, I guess maybe it depends on west side of
the country you're on. It might be more obvious and
someone I'll this is true, This is true.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
All right, Well you guys have a wonderful week, and
we'll just do this again next week unless somebody figures
out where we are and tells us to quit.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
All right, I like, we'll catch you next time for
the gun talk after show.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show podcast,
where we saved all the best things that we can't
say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim
for the Gun Talk After Show.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's time for that lovely part of the show we
call the after show, which is not exactly like leftovers,
but it's kind of we love leftovers. Oh yeah, spaghetti
gets better second day too. I don't know what that is.
So we got Jim and Michelle, Hey, guys man, Yeah,
we got Howard and Jeff too, so we ought to
(00:55):
go grab at least one of them. Let's Howard to
start off with. Out of this is so weird. Howard
is in Winchester, but he wants to talk about a SIG.
I guess he could have been in Sig and wants
to talk about a Winchester. So I don't know, Hey, Howard,
we're taking advantage of you.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's Okay, I will get the search to the point
because Michelle said too, and I always smart women.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
God, yes, sir, you have the floor.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Uh, I'm getting ready for my annual trip to see
Chris down in range Ready Studios nice. And in the process,
I went and bought me a new gun belt, and
I said, you know what, I've been thinking about getting
a three P three sixty five. Well, you know what
(01:49):
you always say there.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Tom might as well might as well.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So I got micro which I think is the original
standard yep yep yep in stop kicks ready, and I
went to my friend's house today to tie it out.
He's got one two. The first round I shot, I
didn't do that well and quite frankly, I had a
(02:18):
fall here to a jet but that's uh, you know,
teething pains as I as I reckon uh A couple
uh A few rounds failed to go fully into battery,
but after a while it worked out. No complaint against it.
This is probably the tenth SIG product I've bought.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, it's just breaking in that that's not unusual with
a new Semiato yep.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So uh.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
But what I wanted to say is eventually I bought
a a couple of days later, the sting for a
new magazine for it. I also got a hollow sun
I think it's the five oh seven with the green
UH emitter to put on top of it. I've shot
red dots for my competition guns, and typically I do
(03:08):
better with iron sights. But when I put that holosun on,
my shooting improved dramatically. I don't quite know what happened,
but it well better.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I can tell you.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
One of the things that probably happened is that the
three six five is a small gun. It's got a
short sight radius and it's just hard to get the
sites lined up precisely with a short sight radius. And
you put a dot on it, it doesn't matter anymore.
You just put the dot on it and press the trigger.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Oh that's all I got to do.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, why didn't somebody tell me that? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Kelly?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Who knew? Who knew?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So I'm really liking this pistol. I called you a
while ago. I'm saying, I trying several different pistols in
this size. I tried to help that.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I tried to three sixty.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Five the Ruger. I just remember what exactly which one
it was, but I shot the three sixty five steps
and so far I'm very very happy with it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, let me throw this thought out for failures to
feed with a really small, lightweight semi auto. You really
got to grip it hard and lean into it. I mean,
like your nose over your toes and put your body
behind it so that it's got some resistance.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Because it's so light.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
If the gun moves backward or if you kind of
slide backwards, that slide coming back is not going to
have enough resistance. And so you do, in fact get
fayres to feed with smaller pistols.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
All right, thank you for the advice.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
There you go, Just grip the snot out of it,
lean into it, and shoot the devil out of it.
How's that for being technical?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Sure, I'll be shooting the devil out of it in
about a week and a half.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
The DCI core.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Oh you're doing they pistols? Oh you're You've not taken
that before.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Have you?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
No? I was hoping to take the more basic courses,
but this is the only course that I could fit
in to my schedule. Like I said, this will be
the third time I've been down there. Chris knows me
by name, which I don't know if it is a
good thing or not.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
True.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And if he's going, oh my god, not him again.
So he's been forewarned.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Well, look you'll have a ball, have fun, and Chris
will sure teach you how to shoot that three sixty
five because he really likes them. So you're gonna have
a ball. And look, here's the deal. After you do
the DPI class, you got to give.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Us a range of port Okay, I will do that.
Thanks Howard, appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I feel like he got a couple of points there
because he went and got at three sixty five for Chris.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Howard brings up an interesting point.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
Unintentionally, I think a lot of folks will buy a
handgun and start carrying it without shooting it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
As soon as you set a failure to feet, I'm like, oh, well,
at least you're smart enough to you know, right to
do what you should do and run a few boxes
through it and work out any bugs or or if
any Well.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
The other thing that they tend to not do is
clean the firearm before they go out and shoot it,
which can also be an issue in shooting and performance.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
But I mean, if your life depends on it, you
want to make sure all that stuff's taking care of
the max work and everything else.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Good AMMO, test out some different AMMO all matters.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
But you know there's a lot of folks buy a
gun and just a whole ster and they start carrying
it to the range.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Yeah, no, right for sure, So thanks Aard.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You really do need to put I mean, for me,
I always figure at least two hundred rounds and maybe
four or five hundred rounds through a gun before I
bet my life on it. I want it to be
broken in, and by broken in the surfaces of the
slide to the frame, fip. It can be a little
rough at first, and you wanted to just shoot it
(07:07):
a bunch, so it basically burnishes all of those little
rough micro you know, edges off. If you will smooth
it all out, and generally after about one hundred rounds
it just will. They'll run like a top. But it's
not at all unusual to have some problems for the
first box or two have Amma.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Yeah, And I mean it's it's a mechanical, same thing
with the car. You know, often in the first couple
of weeks, you got problems with them because it's breaking in.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, and there's also there's another factor here and the
mechanical stuff. They call it infant mortality. That you're most
like you have a failure on a part or something
in the first three percent of its life. You know,
if you get past that, it'll probably run for twenty years.
You know, if you've got a problem with something a part,
(07:55):
you know, assembly or something, you probably will find out.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Fairly early on.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Man, if it gets past one hundred or two hundred rounds,
the thing will probably run forever.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
Right, which kind of like I get a new car,
I drive it, drive the hell out of it.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
It's gonna break. I'mna have to break early.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
There you go. That's right, I do.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
We had Jeff still hold interstuf.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Let's do this quick break here, we'll come back. Just
pick up Jeff on the backside here, Okay, Jeff, don't
go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Will we ride back.
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Speaker 3 (08:57):
All right, we're back with here. We got Jeff in Knoxville, Tennessee. Jeff,
thank you for your patience because we just blab on
and on and on, don't we.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
That's fine. I got all the time in the world
for you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Oh well, look, putting back on hold. We'll get back.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
What are you doing next week? About your time?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh lord?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
They have to call you next week on the regular
show for another question that I had for you. Didn't
probably take too much time.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So no, no, we got a hell. Look, we're like you.
We got all the time in the world. What's on
your mind?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I'm sitting at the reloaded bench and I've got a question,
a couple of questions for you that one of them
came up old about a year and a half ago
on the show and I never did get to follow
up on it. Do you know of any other companies
that have made the assinine move to short primers or
(09:54):
small primers in their forty fives besides Blazer and the Federal, just.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Go ahead and say what you're really thinking?
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Stop sugarcarn Man.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I wanted wait till the after show.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Uh it is, well, you know, from our perspective as reloaders,
it's a completely acidine move.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
What do you what are you guys thinking?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
There must and I guess the short answer is I
don't know why they're doing it. And for those who
are wondering, what are we talking about? Forty five A
CP cartridge usually has it takes the large pistol primer,
but some manufacturers, notably was a Federal spear c C
I have gone to a small pistol primer in these cases.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I you know what it could be.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Let's let's speculate, because you know that way we can
just make stuff up. I'm guessing if it's a company
like which companies did you say it's Blazer and who else?
Speaker 5 (11:00):
And Federal? Are this okay that I'm finding?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
All right?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Imagine this, Both of those companies make primers. Other companies
have to buy primers. Sometimes if you make your own
primers and somebody says, hey, we've got one hundred million
extra small pistol primers, what are we going to do
(11:24):
with those well, let's just go ahead and make brass
and take small pistol primers and we'll use them up.
It might be as simple and goofy as that. I know,
pass and I did it. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It's added another step. Whenever I sort out my brass,
now I have to look and see, Okay, who's doing
the small, who's doing the large? And when you're talking
about what zero point three hundreds of an inch.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Right, can you even tell? Get it? Wow?
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yeah? So basically what I've done, I just did this
the other night, is I sorted the Blazer in the
Federal that I knew were small, and I've just put
them in the recycling bin. I'm not even gonna mess
with them.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know, there's another way to go on this.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Stop buying that brand of AMMO.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well, I was thinking exactly on your reloading press. You
can put a hydraulic ram on it and just use
large primers and suade those bad boys right into that
small pocket.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Nothing dangerous about that.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
No, No, I'll pass on.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I came good at dis.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
H you were wrong.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Well, the other question I've got so, so it's I
know Blazer and Federal, and you said Spear and cs I.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I was just making up numbers and names. I don't
know which you want.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's all the same company. The parent company is all
the same.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, cc I, Spear, Blazer, Blauser or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Okay, My other question about nines. Have you had any
experience with trying to reload S and b'sion.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And below or whatever it is I'm trying to Probably not,
because I will tell you I pretty much just buy
cheap range AMMO and don't reload it, particularly nine millimeters.
I don't reload nines at all. I pretty much do
all my reloading for rifles. So the answer is no,
(13:47):
And then the follow up is why, because there's got
to be a reason.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You're asking me.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
There is. And I've looked on a couple of reloading
forums and others that have run into distance actually with
S and B. And I'm finding that the hit stamp
that I'm seeing is CBC. Now I don't know what
company that is, but they do something with their primer pockets,
and if you look at them under a like a
(14:15):
Jewelers magnifying glass, you can see that there's more brass
around the primer pocket more real estate, and on once
fired brass, I have to double clutch. I've got a
deal in progressive. I have to double clutch to get
that primer to fit.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh so it's tight, it's too tight.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
It's tight. Yes, And the other thing I'm finding with
both of these it doesn't matter how many times it's
been fired. It hangs up in the stage too. The
flaring and powder dye really push on that handle to.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That completely messes up your rhythm on a progressive loader.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yes, sir, So what I'm having to do now and
I've I've got I'm not going to tell you how
much clean brass I've got waiting to be reloaded. Instead
of being able to just grab a couple of handfuls
put them into a bucket bringing over to this bitch,
I'm having to throw away and find all the S
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and B and the CBC. Just recycling it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Really slows you down.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Then.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, that's a lot of added steps.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Sounds like you need to bite some children or grandchildren over.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Well. I've got to told her she's thirteen years old
and she's slowly getting into shooting and she loves reloading
with me. Awesome, Oh yeah, that would be a good job.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
For uh, I'm liking that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And the red part is I have found smb Ammo
to be pretty accurate and very good AMMO in the factory,
but I've not reloaded any of their brass.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So this is a really interesting report.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Yeah. And what's aggravating is during the COVID scare, I've
bought several hundreds of dollars worth of this and b
when I could find them, you know, at a relatively
depressed during that period, So I was stuck with all
kinds of brass.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Could you the brass that you don't want to load,
could you use that as trading stock with somebody else?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
With the reloaders. I hate to do that to them.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, Yeah, that's when you need to fake out of anybody,
or just.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Take it to the recycling center.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Yeah, or just tell them what they're up against.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
And they're buying it a you know, super reduced price
and everybody wins.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, nobody's will buy that.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
They're not.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
We have one of those metal recycling bins or places companies,
and you can get a little bit of cash for
so they can just go save them all up until
I get a load. It's road throw worthwhile you just
take them and sell them.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, it makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
And look, if I come up with a like, a
reasonable reason for them going to the small pistol primers
and those, I'll put it out there. I'll send a
note to them this week and say, all right, guys,
what's up? Why do you guys do this? And if
I get any kind of answer, I'll be sure to
give it out on the air.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
That sounds good, I'm gonna call you next week during
the regular show because I want to pick your brain
on the no compromise groups.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Okay, with a little.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Voice, noticeable voice inflection. I don't want to take them
too much time.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That sounds good.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
All right, We'll put you on the note no call
list to be fine.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I'm on several of those, so.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Our kind of guy understandable. That's right. You fit right
in around here. All right, Thank you, sir. I appreciate
your call. All right, that was kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Did they change still? Are they? Let me? Are companies
still using small pistol primers in forty five a CPMO everdelling?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I mean from what Jeff says they are, I have
run into it, but honestly, I will tell you if
you're just buying factory AMO and shooting it and not
saving the brass, you're just giving us somebody else.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You don't even pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Right, So when you shop, obviously for ammunition to be
able to save your own brass, you're gonna want to
check that before you purchase.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, And can you tell just by looking right?
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean I know that we helped a friend sort
out a bunch of forty five ACP bress for the
same exact reason because they started loading. It's like, what
is going on? Goofy do they don't change load data?
They just changed the primer?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I bet they do.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
When do you think they'd have to have to?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
They they changed load data all the time because they
get different lots of powder.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So is there info out there for the people who
have the.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Small Can you ream out a small pocket to accept
a large primer?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Maybe? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I mean we do have primer pockets, Yes, we do.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That is an actual tool you get. And that's an
interesting question. Could you If.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I were going to do that, I would definitely want
one of the powered ones, not a hand deal. You
wear yourself out doing that.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I got two rounds tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's right. Uh, interesting question.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Okay, now we have our homework assign and we've got
to find out more about this.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Okay, now, Jim, you said, you know before we started
to show that you had something you wanted to up,
and I guess we have to listen to you.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I was just bs and you I don't anything.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I was flying home from a family to get together
here and the guy was flying next to We start
talking and shooting the breeze and turns out he's not
pro gun, but he's not anti gun. And he and
his wife and their daughter and son in law. Actually,
but there's two women of the four of them that
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you know, go show houses.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
All the time.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
They're in real estate. That's what they do.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
And I said, oh that I'm assuming you know that
they're both caring and protecting themselves.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
He goes, no, you know, but I've been thinking about
there's sometimes that they get some creeps and weirdos.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
And you know, we're on a good part of the country.
I'm like, there's no good part of the country.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, right, and look the creeps target real estate agents,
who are women.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
They do Oh yeah, yeah, So we chatted a little
bit about it, and by by the end of that
conversation it was like, you know, I'm going to look
into that morn and I get home, get a get
a trainer and stuff, because you know, he's not no
no problem affording the thing. It's not a matter of money.
It's just you know, naivety there that he thought, you know,
that nothing would ever happened because of the part of
the state they're in. But by the end of our
(21:08):
conversation he's looking into it and says, you know what,
I may do the same for myself. I'm like, amen,
all right, well well done, thank you, and then I
just let it go. I don't want to, you know,
drive on the point any further. Sure he got what
he needed to know, and we got each other's email addresses.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
So I'll follow up a.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Little bit subtly, a little passive aggressive salesmanship.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, come back asterday. Look is there anything I can
help you with kind of a thing, and see how
that goes.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I was saying, to find a couple of trainers near
him and send him their links.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Right in that way, he's got some info.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
That was what our buddy ray Elgin used to do.
He said, man's talk about your captive audience. You're sitting
next to somebody on the plane.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
They can't get away from you.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You know, I made sure I had breath ment, so
he so the point went, you know, at home, only
one point.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And that there was turbulence, so he had to be
bolted in.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
All right, so you're not going here for two and
a half hours.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's he pushes the call button and says, you know,
flight attendant.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
Medical urgency, could you could you move me to another seat? Sure,
you're up in the first class anyway, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's right now. I'll take the back of the bus.
I don't care.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're steerage as we steerage. That was the like the
worst area of the ship when you were taking like
an across the Atlantic trip. You could have the fancy plate
rooms and then the middle level and then I guess
the worst ones were called steerage for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Don't know why.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
See when I learned something. Every day I'm gonna talk
show boats and just.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know, aircraft. We are an incessant source of useless information.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Luckily it's only once a week, so it doesn't like
blow your mind you can.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah. No, actually, I'm doing this all the time. You're
just lucky enough not to hear it.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
So I'm going to use you as my phone on
a phone a friend. If I ever you know, getting
any kind of trivia contest or something. Oh yeah, nobody
knows this or cares, but Gresham would know.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I will feed you some of the worst information you've
ever had.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Thank you, that's right, But like an authority.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And in good class, and hang up before he really
gives you the answer. That's right, will choose it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, my wife always says it says you know, says
sometimes you're wrong, but you always sound like you know
what you're doing by talking about it. Really is.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, man, I got to really know stuff you have. No,
actually not at all.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Were you ever into selling cars?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I haven't sunk that low.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
We'll hear about that one, Oh of course we will. Yes,
I'm a pro gun used car salesman. I don't like
to worry.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, I know, used to get in line, I know.
So there you go. We had our filt trader and
filtrated the meeting.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I love that. It's great.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I should start a trend.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I like this idea you know, just find out where
they're going to have a meeting and go be there
because you can. You could be a member of any
of these groups. Doesn't cost anything, right.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I just don't like giving them money to use against us.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right, I understand, But you don't have to pay them anything.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, but for these classes like oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, it's toy bucks. And of course that was just
a way of exposing them. Of course, sure, yeah, I
wouldn't do that. But in terms of if they're just
going to have a meeting to someplace, heck, I think
i'd be interesting, and you know, i'd probably wait to
kind of toward the end because if I start asking questions,
just gonna blow up and they're gonna go, who are you?
Speaker 6 (24:46):
What have you?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Escort out?
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I can see it right now, Michelle and I walking
in heaving her say.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Jim, take off the damn gun talk.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
At because you got a gun talk hat.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
He said, you were the Winch hat. I'll wear the
Remington hat. They'll never know. Oh well, there you go,
but we're a Trigacon hat. They'll have no clue.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What is that. I don't know either.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Alrighty already, alrighty.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So there you go.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Let's say it's changing of seasons and changing the clock
next week. But now it's like, this is so much
easier to carry concealed with all, you know, extra layer clothes.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, yeah, some people change up their firearm completely.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh yes, exactly right. Yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Go to bigger frame guns or larger full size whatever
they want to do.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Go to the full size.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
They are full size, they are.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Why is that guy wearing a duster?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Anytime somebody walks into a bar wearing a duster, it's
a problem.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, I guess maybe it depends on west side of
the country you're on. It might be more obvious and
someone I'll this is true, This is true.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
All right, Well you guys have a wonderful week, and
we'll just do this again next week unless somebody figures
out where we are and tells us to quit.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
All right, I like, we'll catch you next time for
the gun talk after show.
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