September 28, 2025 • 17 mins
In This Hour:
-- Church shooting in Michigan brings up the question of carrying your gun in church.
-- If you aren't willing to comply with a "no" answer, don't ask permission in the first place.
-- Dressing out a game animal with the gutless method.
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-- Church shooting in Michigan brings up the question of carrying your gun in church.
-- If you aren't willing to comply with a "no" answer, don't ask permission in the first place.
-- Dressing out a game animal with the gutless method.
Gun Talk 09.28.25 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 5 (00:24):
Gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved all the
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now, here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk After Show.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Yeah, I'm just practicing here, guys. We'll be chasing the
moosies here in a day or two. So there you go.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Say what that was.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was about to call nine to one one having
an issue.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I was going to do a heimlick on myself. Here.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
That's actually the call of a bull moose. They make
kind of a grunt sound and they just walk along
doing there. You can hear them out there, and then
the cows make a real long, almost like a moo cow,
kind of a bawling sound. One, But do you use
that bull cow call a good dip? And from the scripture,
(01:18):
I'm getting where we're gonna be. It's like, Okay, we're
gonna go up here. We're gonna get out of the vehicles.
We're gonna walk down this road. We will hear bull
moose and we will call them and they will come
up to the road. Really like, it's that easy. It's
everybody said, yeah, you're not gonna believe how many moose
you go see?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wow, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I mean, do they gut themselves and put themselves in
the truck?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
And yes, absolutely, you've got the You have to make
sure you get the ones that are the self gutting model.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
How much thes weigh on the hoof for dressed, Yeah, well,
not dressed but just dead on the ground pounds?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're they're just great, big thing.
And these are not Alaska moose. There's a subspecies called
the Alaska Yukon moose and then this is the sheerest
shi r As subspecies, and the Sheriff's moose are smaller.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Okay, all right, cool, they're still big.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I mean it's like twice the size of an elk.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right, The smaller ones are one thousand pounds, is what
you're saying?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, oh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
The Alaska Yukon moose could be twelve hundred and fourteen
hundred pounds.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay, now what about gutted.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, we don't gut them.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
What do you do.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We'd use the gutlass method of dressing them out, which
is very interesting. Of course, imagine no, imagine you got
this dead critter there and you can't quarter. Basically can
cut the legs off by going in and cutting into
the joint, but you never open up the abdomen at all.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You're essentially cutting the meat off of.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
The carcass as it lays there, and then when you
pack it out, you're just taking out the meat, not
the bones, not anything else. And it's a lot cleaner
and you know, not nearly as messy just when you
cut into the guts. So you just don't cut them
at all. If yeah, Tom, for you for deer hunting,
it's slicker and I'll get out. I gotta look up
on YouTube the gutless dressing method. Once you get into that,
(03:14):
you go, I'll never get another animal.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, very slick.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So do you have to give up on the tenderlines
then nones.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah, you go to them through the top of the back,
like the top of the ribs.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Now, we don't pack out the ribs. We leave those
generally it's not required to. But you make a little
slip kind of toward the front on the back, right
next to the spine, there is the way you can
open up. You can get in there and you can
get the tenderlins out.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So that's after you take out the back straps.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yes, you get the back straps out, and then you
got to make a little slit and you reach in there,
and you got to be a look, as you might imagine,
you gotta be careful with that because you don't want
to be punching into the guts. Then it's it's very doable,
and you get pretty good at it that for a while.
But yeah, if you go look it up on YouTube,
I think you'll see it and you're gonna go, yeah,
going that way this time.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And I bet you come back a year later the
same spot and all those guts are still inside the carcass, right, Tom.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Yeah, I'm thinking maybe they're all returned to the ecosystem.
I'm thinking, Yeah, there's like a bunch of critters who
would love to have all that time.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh yeah, see Bobcat tracks regularly at my place, do
you really? Oh yeah, I spotted one one time. I
was pulling in my driveway at night, and I didn't
know what it was at first, and when my brain
is going deer, oh, and I'm like, no, it's too
small to be a deer.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That doesn't look right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It turned and looked at me right in the headlights.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm like, that is a cat.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
That's a big cat.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So Friday, Yeah, I get up early,
going to go drive through the range. Right, going down
the road here, a dirt road, and look over to
the side. I'm going to the range to work on
my moose loads. And I look over to the side
of the road and there's something large and dark and
(05:08):
I stop. Yeah, it's a moose about a mile and
a half from my house.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Just moose, just cow moose, just stand there looking at
me like the willow.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
There's a sign. You know that it is a sign.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
SI sign says go hunt moose somewhere else. Oh gosh.
But you know, this has been really fun getting ready
for it. And that's as my lovely wife says. She said, Look,
you guys get so much enjoyment out of talking about
it forever getting ready packing, you know. So it's like
(05:41):
we got three trucks completely packed to the roof.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
How many tags one? Yes, five of us three trucks.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
You know, it's like probably six massive coolers because you
need coolers for bringing all this back of tents, campy gear,
cooking gear, coffee pots, food, you know, on and on.
It's like it's an absolute, like an African safari.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
How many days camp two? All right?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Hypothetically, I don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
We could be there for eight or ten days, but
I'm guessing five is probably.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And that was a lead into my follow up question.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If you got out of the truck, five minutes out
of the truck, there's a moose and you take it
right then and there, do you still hang out for
a few days with your buddies it's the frat nize
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Probably not, because you got to deal with the meat.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
The meat, get the meat home. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
And I've already said, look, I do not want to
shoot a moose right off the bat, And it would
really be fun to mess with them for two or
three days and hear them and call them in. But
if a really big monster moose walks out there right
off the bat, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, you get one your one shot in your lifetime, right, Yeah, really.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
The limit is one? Well, one bull could put in
for a cowpag after this and we go through the
lottery system and try to get that. But yeah, it's
one for lifetime. But I don't want to shoot a
little one, you know, there's just like there's no point
in that, right, right, So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I'm I'm excited and finally got a rifle that's working.
For heaven's sakes, we'll.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Tell us about that after this little break here, won't you?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay?
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Speaker 5 (08:03):
Tom, I got the rifle time a rifle back.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yeah, I had to send it off. I had some
remedia work done on it because evidently I had a
sloppy gun smith worked on it at one point somewhere
in its storied history. It is one of the things
you get sometimes when you buy a used gun. Sure,
you know, usually everything's fine, but it is possible somebody
worked on it who didn't really know what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
No different than a car or a boat or anything else.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Yeah, you're right, you don't really know what you're getting
until you got it and use it for a little while.
But set it back off to the five folks at Outcasts.
They're really good outcast arms. And you know, Glen fixed
it up, got it back to me. I said, look,
if you can get it to me by Friday, I
can use it on the hunt. He says, I think
I can. I'll take it home and I'll do the
(08:51):
stamping on the barrel. And then he said, okay, it's
going to be one hundred and fifty bucks to shift
this thing. Second day, I said, yeah, do it, just
do it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I want it. So there you go.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
I mean it's like fifty or seventy bucks to ship
our gun anyway. Wow, yeah, they're expensive. Now you should
be twenty bucks. Remember, Oh yeah, not anymore. Well, you know,
now you go there and it's not weight, it's the measure,
the length and the width and all that. They've got
these formulas and going, oh, yeah, it's sixty dollars, but
(09:22):
it doesn't know anything. Yeah, but it met this size requirement.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah both. Yep.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
So let's talk for a second about what's going on
up in your part of the world with this guy
murdering these people today in a church, Mormon church in Michigan.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You misspoke.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I think you meant insane maniac asshole that yes, that guy.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yes, excuse you're right. No, No, that's quite appropriate. And
you're a murdering bastard who would have been great if
you had just committed suicide without going to the church,
because it was a suicide run anyway, right right now.
The reports were coming in while I was on the show,
and Jim, you were trying to keep up with a
little bit more. I guess they were saying, now, the
police did shoot this guy.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, the police took him out.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
According to what I've read and was Fox news stuff,
it is, they took him out. He had an incendiary
device in his vehicle. They said, I d originally, but
I guess I guess they could be in the same family,
and they believe he's he's used one of those to
start the fire in the church. Now they had not
they had just about an hour and a half, I
guess two hours. Now they've had the fire out. But
(10:29):
they're they're not positive. They're not they're not positive. They're
not going to find victims, right. They were pretty dismal
about it.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
So okay, they they the guy and we're not not
going to say his name because he wanted that.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I met his name a few minutes ago.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Tom Yeah, yeah, murder psychopathic, Hey, yes I did. Yeah
that guy so and yeah, I know. People say, well,
you know what motivated what, what was in his mind?
What's what's his philosophy, what's his ideology? And you know me,
I'm just I'm so practicsed, like I don't really care.
I can't do it. But you know why, because I
can't do anything about that.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
That's beyond my control. And it's just trying to find
a tribe to be in, trying to find a side
to be on so you can hate some other group,
and that doesn't get us anywhere. And I said, look,
why not spend that energy, that effort, that time in
preparing so that you can stop it if it should
(11:28):
happen when when you're there.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Because that makes way too much sense.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Then well, it also requires you to actually do something
rather than bitch online.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Talk is what talk as something I talk.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Is definitely inexpensive.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
At least very.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Affordable, that's right, you know, whereas actually going out and
shooting and training and taking classes and buying good guns
and making a commitment. Not only does it cost you money,
it costs you time and it costs mental energy for
you to change your image of who you are. And
(12:07):
that's what that's absolutely what is required. You have to
decide I am the sheep dog and I am not
gonna let this guy do this.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
But then somebody would call me a responsible boomer toime,
I can't be called names.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Gosh, I really have gotten to the point and maybe
you know what this may be a factor of age.
I just don't care what people call me, don't care
what they think about me. Honestly, it's like, fine, I'm
going to do what I know is right for me
and my family. And if you got a problem with that,
go tell it to somebody who cares that because that's.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Not me, right, And I'm sure your dad used this
line in the past as mine used to consider the source.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, Yes, that was such a good one, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
And it just it covers it.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, it's like in other words, if they feel that way,
or they're saying that they already have told you that
there's somebody you don't need to pay attention to.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's kind of like, you know, I learned this from
from you through or I learned this from your dad
through you. I should say about it, it's not a
lie if the person you're telling it to doesn't deserve
to hear the truth.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I've used that for twenty years. Gretcha, I love it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, here's another one I just was thinking about because
people are saying, well, you know, I'm going to go
talk to my pastor about, you know, getting permission to
carry in church. And my line on that is, if
you're not willing to comply with a no response, don't
ask for permission in the first.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Price, because that's going to be the least of your problems.
You save, you save one hundred people, they're going to
prosecute you for a gun charge. If if it's going
to be that ridiculously skewed, you're still alive.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I'll fight my way through that fight. Yeah, that second fight,
that legal battle, Yeah, I'll fight my way through that one.
I just got to survive this one and maybe in
the process keep him from killing other people, because it's
not really all about trying to keep him from killing
other people, because if you're there, guess what he wants
to kill you.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Two.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, I had an interesting thing at a club
the other night. It was a actually an outdoor bingo
party at a courtyard for several restaurants and bars, et cetera.
And they all, you know, feed off the customers that
are in the patio, et cetera. So I'm talking with
the person invited me there, and she says, I really
(14:24):
love this place. They've got all the photography, you know,
the projection cameras. It's really cool. And and I said,
you know, they got pretty lousy neighborhoods, and they've got
these monster fences and securities precautions that they had to take.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
She goes, yeah, that I heard. They even have a
thing that if you if you come in, even come in.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
The courtyard with a firearm, the police are instantly notified.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Of course, no, it's going to ask him if I
follow questions, does it sense mags too, because I got
two of those two?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, not only do I have the gun, I got
two mags on top of that.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Then yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
She says, you're not carrying one, now, are you? And
I'm like, I'm dressed, I'm out of my home. Yes,
I'm I'm carry everywhere I go. Oh, I said, I
don't think your technology that you're discussing exists. I think
what you might be referring to as the gunshot microphone
things they can tell the cops. Yes, it's a fire,
it's a fire. I'm not a firework. Right, we triangulate
(15:20):
it and we think it came from this. That's something
they may have in that neighborhood and actually need.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
But it's like, I'm not getting up and leaving. I'm
not going back to my car.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I'm just like you and I would you know, how
are they gonna walk up and say, hey, we know.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
We know. No, I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You don't.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I'm not drinking, So it's not like, well you can't
get your malcoholic No, just kind of paying drink.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
And yeah, no, when I'm when I'm carrying, I don't
have a single drink ever.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You cannot.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Yeah, people say, well, i'll have a drink, Well, you
know what, if it's only one, then you can probably
forego that one anyway.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, I wouldn't suck if you were totally justified. But
that's what you've got on and j.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh yeah, that's that's what the conversation is going to
be about. Yep. Yeah, let's just.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Eliminate that item of conversation completely. And of course, we
had the guy on the show today who had to
go through many, many months of horrible turmoil after a
self defense shooting, you know, because they're charging him with
the crime. And it turns out, you know, he got
off at the end of us like twenty six months
of fighting this and probably a half a million dollars
worth of legal fees.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And did he really get off? I mean, he has
his name cleared. Well, good securities commission. But you know,
there's always going to be people's relative neighbors. Oh yeah,
somebody who says, well, you know, that killed.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Shot somebody, you know what, And that's fine, as you say,
consider the sores.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Nice callback there.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
It is, all right, buddy, you guys have a great week.
I'm going to go Chase bullweakle.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, okay, I'm going to look up gout less field dressing.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh you got to do that. Let me know what
you think. All right, have a great week guys.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Since good luck.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Catch you next time for the gun talk after show
Speaker 3 (17:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
So you've made it through or three hours of the
regular show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little
bit more.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
So that's why you found the.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
Gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved all the
best things.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now, here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk After Show.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Yeah, I'm just practicing here, guys. We'll be chasing the
moosies here in a day or two. So there you go.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Say what that was.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was about to call nine to one one having
an issue.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I was going to do a heimlick on myself. Here.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
That's actually the call of a bull moose. They make
kind of a grunt sound and they just walk along
doing there. You can hear them out there, and then
the cows make a real long, almost like a moo cow,
kind of a bawling sound. One, But do you use
that bull cow call a good dip? And from the scripture,
(01:18):
I'm getting where we're gonna be. It's like, Okay, we're
gonna go up here. We're gonna get out of the vehicles.
We're gonna walk down this road. We will hear bull
moose and we will call them and they will come
up to the road. Really like, it's that easy. It's
everybody said, yeah, you're not gonna believe how many moose
you go see?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Wow, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I mean, do they gut themselves and put themselves in
the truck?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
And yes, absolutely, you've got the You have to make
sure you get the ones that are the self gutting model.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
How much thes weigh on the hoof for dressed, Yeah, well,
not dressed but just dead on the ground pounds?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they're they're just great, big thing.
And these are not Alaska moose. There's a subspecies called
the Alaska Yukon moose and then this is the sheerest
shi r As subspecies, and the Sheriff's moose are smaller.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Okay, all right, cool, they're still big.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I mean it's like twice the size of an elk.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Right, The smaller ones are one thousand pounds, is what
you're saying?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, oh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
The Alaska Yukon moose could be twelve hundred and fourteen
hundred pounds.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Okay, now what about gutted.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, we don't gut them.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
What do you do.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We'd use the gutlass method of dressing them out, which
is very interesting. Of course, imagine no, imagine you got
this dead critter there and you can't quarter. Basically can
cut the legs off by going in and cutting into
the joint, but you never open up the abdomen at all.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You're essentially cutting the meat off of.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
The carcass as it lays there, and then when you
pack it out, you're just taking out the meat, not
the bones, not anything else. And it's a lot cleaner
and you know, not nearly as messy just when you
cut into the guts. So you just don't cut them
at all. If yeah, Tom, for you for deer hunting,
it's slicker and I'll get out. I gotta look up
on YouTube the gutless dressing method. Once you get into that,
(03:14):
you go, I'll never get another animal.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay, very slick.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So do you have to give up on the tenderlines
then nones.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah, you go to them through the top of the back,
like the top of the ribs.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Now, we don't pack out the ribs. We leave those
generally it's not required to. But you make a little
slip kind of toward the front on the back, right
next to the spine, there is the way you can
open up. You can get in there and you can
get the tenderlins out.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So that's after you take out the back straps.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Yes, you get the back straps out, and then you
got to make a little slit and you reach in there,
and you got to be a look, as you might imagine,
you gotta be careful with that because you don't want
to be punching into the guts. Then it's it's very doable,
and you get pretty good at it that for a while.
But yeah, if you go look it up on YouTube,
I think you'll see it and you're gonna go, yeah,
going that way this time.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And I bet you come back a year later the
same spot and all those guts are still inside the carcass, right, Tom.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Yeah, I'm thinking maybe they're all returned to the ecosystem.
I'm thinking, Yeah, there's like a bunch of critters who
would love to have all that time.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh yeah, see Bobcat tracks regularly at my place, do
you really? Oh yeah, I spotted one one time. I
was pulling in my driveway at night, and I didn't
know what it was at first, and when my brain
is going deer, oh, and I'm like, no, it's too
small to be a deer.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
That doesn't look right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It turned and looked at me right in the headlights.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm like, that is a cat.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
That's a big cat.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So Friday, Yeah, I get up early,
going to go drive through the range. Right, going down
the road here, a dirt road, and look over to
the side. I'm going to the range to work on
my moose loads. And I look over to the side
of the road and there's something large and dark and
(05:08):
I stop. Yeah, it's a moose about a mile and
a half from my house.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Just moose, just cow moose, just stand there looking at
me like the willow.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
There's a sign. You know that it is a sign.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
SI sign says go hunt moose somewhere else. Oh gosh.
But you know, this has been really fun getting ready
for it. And that's as my lovely wife says. She said, Look,
you guys get so much enjoyment out of talking about
it forever getting ready packing, you know. So it's like
(05:41):
we got three trucks completely packed to the roof.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
How many tags one? Yes, five of us three trucks.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
You know, it's like probably six massive coolers because you
need coolers for bringing all this back of tents, campy gear,
cooking gear, coffee pots, food, you know, on and on.
It's like it's an absolute, like an African safari.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
How many days camp two? All right?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Hypothetically, I don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
We could be there for eight or ten days, but
I'm guessing five is probably.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And that was a lead into my follow up question.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If you got out of the truck, five minutes out
of the truck, there's a moose and you take it
right then and there, do you still hang out for
a few days with your buddies it's the frat nize
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Probably not, because you got to deal with the meat.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
The meat, get the meat home. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
And I've already said, look, I do not want to
shoot a moose right off the bat, And it would
really be fun to mess with them for two or
three days and hear them and call them in. But
if a really big monster moose walks out there right
off the bat, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, you get one your one shot in your lifetime, right, Yeah, really.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
The limit is one? Well, one bull could put in
for a cowpag after this and we go through the
lottery system and try to get that. But yeah, it's
one for lifetime. But I don't want to shoot a
little one, you know, there's just like there's no point
in that, right, right, So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I'm I'm excited and finally got a rifle that's working.
For heaven's sakes, we'll.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Tell us about that after this little break here, won't you?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay?
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Speaker 5 (08:03):
Tom, I got the rifle time a rifle back.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yeah, I had to send it off. I had some
remedia work done on it because evidently I had a
sloppy gun smith worked on it at one point somewhere
in its storied history. It is one of the things
you get sometimes when you buy a used gun. Sure,
you know, usually everything's fine, but it is possible somebody
worked on it who didn't really know what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
No different than a car or a boat or anything else.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Yeah, you're right, you don't really know what you're getting
until you got it and use it for a little while.
But set it back off to the five folks at Outcasts.
They're really good outcast arms. And you know, Glen fixed
it up, got it back to me. I said, look,
if you can get it to me by Friday, I
can use it on the hunt. He says, I think
I can. I'll take it home and I'll do the
(08:51):
stamping on the barrel. And then he said, okay, it's
going to be one hundred and fifty bucks to shift
this thing. Second day, I said, yeah, do it, just
do it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I want it. So there you go.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
I mean it's like fifty or seventy bucks to ship
our gun anyway. Wow, yeah, they're expensive. Now you should
be twenty bucks. Remember, Oh yeah, not anymore. Well, you know,
now you go there and it's not weight, it's the measure,
the length and the width and all that. They've got
these formulas and going, oh, yeah, it's sixty dollars, but
(09:22):
it doesn't know anything. Yeah, but it met this size requirement.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah both. Yep.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
So let's talk for a second about what's going on
up in your part of the world with this guy
murdering these people today in a church, Mormon church in Michigan.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
You misspoke.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I think you meant insane maniac asshole that yes, that guy.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yes, excuse you're right. No, No, that's quite appropriate. And
you're a murdering bastard who would have been great if
you had just committed suicide without going to the church,
because it was a suicide run anyway, right right now.
The reports were coming in while I was on the show,
and Jim, you were trying to keep up with a
little bit more. I guess they were saying, now, the
police did shoot this guy.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, the police took him out.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
According to what I've read and was Fox news stuff,
it is, they took him out. He had an incendiary
device in his vehicle. They said, I d originally, but
I guess I guess they could be in the same family,
and they believe he's he's used one of those to
start the fire in the church. Now they had not
they had just about an hour and a half, I
guess two hours. Now they've had the fire out. But
(10:29):
they're they're not positive. They're not they're not positive. They're
not going to find victims, right. They were pretty dismal
about it.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
So okay, they they the guy and we're not not
going to say his name because he wanted that.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I met his name a few minutes ago.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Tom Yeah, yeah, murder psychopathic, Hey, yes I did. Yeah
that guy so and yeah, I know. People say, well,
you know what motivated what, what was in his mind?
What's what's his philosophy, what's his ideology? And you know me,
I'm just I'm so practicsed, like I don't really care.
I can't do it. But you know why, because I
can't do anything about that.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
That's beyond my control. And it's just trying to find
a tribe to be in, trying to find a side
to be on so you can hate some other group,
and that doesn't get us anywhere. And I said, look,
why not spend that energy, that effort, that time in
preparing so that you can stop it if it should
(11:28):
happen when when you're there.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Because that makes way too much sense.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Then well, it also requires you to actually do something
rather than bitch online.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Talk is what talk as something I talk.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Is definitely inexpensive.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
At least very.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Affordable, that's right, you know, whereas actually going out and
shooting and training and taking classes and buying good guns
and making a commitment. Not only does it cost you money,
it costs you time and it costs mental energy for
you to change your image of who you are. And
(12:07):
that's what that's absolutely what is required. You have to
decide I am the sheep dog and I am not
gonna let this guy do this.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
But then somebody would call me a responsible boomer toime,
I can't be called names.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Gosh, I really have gotten to the point and maybe
you know what this may be a factor of age.
I just don't care what people call me, don't care
what they think about me. Honestly, it's like, fine, I'm
going to do what I know is right for me
and my family. And if you got a problem with that,
go tell it to somebody who cares that because that's.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Not me, right, And I'm sure your dad used this
line in the past as mine used to consider the source.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes, Yes, that was such a good one, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
And it just it covers it.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, it's like in other words, if they feel that way,
or they're saying that they already have told you that
there's somebody you don't need to pay attention to.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's kind of like, you know, I learned this from
from you through or I learned this from your dad
through you. I should say about it, it's not a
lie if the person you're telling it to doesn't deserve
to hear the truth.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I've used that for twenty years. Gretcha, I love it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Yeah, here's another one I just was thinking about because
people are saying, well, you know, I'm going to go
talk to my pastor about, you know, getting permission to
carry in church. And my line on that is, if
you're not willing to comply with a no response, don't
ask for permission in the first.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Price, because that's going to be the least of your problems.
You save, you save one hundred people, they're going to
prosecute you for a gun charge. If if it's going
to be that ridiculously skewed, you're still alive.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
I'll fight my way through that fight. Yeah, that second fight,
that legal battle, Yeah, I'll fight my way through that one.
I just got to survive this one and maybe in
the process keep him from killing other people, because it's
not really all about trying to keep him from killing
other people, because if you're there, guess what he wants
to kill you.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Two.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, I had an interesting thing at a club
the other night. It was a actually an outdoor bingo
party at a courtyard for several restaurants and bars, et cetera.
And they all, you know, feed off the customers that
are in the patio, et cetera. So I'm talking with
the person invited me there, and she says, I really
(14:24):
love this place. They've got all the photography, you know,
the projection cameras. It's really cool. And and I said,
you know, they got pretty lousy neighborhoods, and they've got
these monster fences and securities precautions that they had to take.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
She goes, yeah, that I heard. They even have a
thing that if you if you come in, even come in.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
The courtyard with a firearm, the police are instantly notified.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Of course, no, it's going to ask him if I
follow questions, does it sense mags too, because I got
two of those two?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, not only do I have the gun, I got
two mags on top of that.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Then yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
She says, you're not carrying one, now, are you? And
I'm like, I'm dressed, I'm out of my home. Yes,
I'm I'm carry everywhere I go. Oh, I said, I
don't think your technology that you're discussing exists. I think
what you might be referring to as the gunshot microphone
things they can tell the cops. Yes, it's a fire,
it's a fire. I'm not a firework. Right, we triangulate
(15:20):
it and we think it came from this. That's something
they may have in that neighborhood and actually need.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
But it's like, I'm not getting up and leaving. I'm
not going back to my car.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I'm just like you and I would you know, how
are they gonna walk up and say, hey, we know.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
We know. No, I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You don't.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I'm not drinking, So it's not like, well you can't
get your malcoholic No, just kind of paying drink.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
And yeah, no, when I'm when I'm carrying, I don't
have a single drink ever.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You cannot.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Yeah, people say, well, i'll have a drink, Well, you
know what, if it's only one, then you can probably
forego that one anyway.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, I wouldn't suck if you were totally justified. But
that's what you've got on and j.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh yeah, that's that's what the conversation is going to
be about. Yep. Yeah, let's just.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Eliminate that item of conversation completely. And of course, we
had the guy on the show today who had to
go through many, many months of horrible turmoil after a
self defense shooting, you know, because they're charging him with
the crime. And it turns out, you know, he got
off at the end of us like twenty six months
of fighting this and probably a half a million dollars
worth of legal fees.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And did he really get off? I mean, he has
his name cleared. Well, good securities commission. But you know,
there's always going to be people's relative neighbors. Oh yeah,
somebody who says, well, you know, that killed.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Shot somebody, you know what, And that's fine, as you say,
consider the sores.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Nice callback there.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
It is, all right, buddy, you guys have a great week.
I'm going to go Chase bullweakle.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, okay, I'm going to look up gout less field dressing.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh you got to do that. Let me know what
you think. All right, have a great week guys.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Since good luck.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Catch you next time for the gun talk after show
Speaker 3 (17:07):
M hm.
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