October 12, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- A young woman won't carry a gun to protect herself, but once she has a baby she gets training and takes her gun on walks.
-- Old guns works just fine. Don't be afraid to buy a used gun for protection.
-- Does the massive explosion in Tennessee impact the powder supply for ammunition?
Gun Talk 10.12.25 Hour 3
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-- A young woman won't carry a gun to protect herself, but once she has a baby she gets training and takes her gun on walks.
-- Old guns works just fine. Don't be afraid to buy a used gun for protection.
-- Does the massive explosion in Tennessee impact the powder supply for ammunition?
Gun Talk 10.12.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, welcome back. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun talk. Well,
guess what we talk about guns? Big deal, not a surprise, right.
We call it gun talk because it we're limited to hunting.
People say it's a hunting show. No it's not. It's
about guns. It's about everything we do with guns. It
can be competitive shooting, keeping our gun in your home
(00:33):
for personal protection, carrying a gun on your belt or
in your purse for protection. If you're going to do
that kind of thing. How do you know? Here's a
good question for you. How do you know if you're competent?
I remember asking that question for a bunch of pilots
were sitting around one time one evening and I was
(00:56):
the shortest time, the lowest time pilot. There a lot
of experienced people, people with tens of thousands of hours,
and I said, how do I know if I'm a
good pilot? It kind of stumped them. So the question
I ask you is, how do you know if you're competent?
With your self defense firearm. There are a few ways
(01:19):
to know, but I think you have to. I mean,
if you can't measure it, you can't know. You've got
to have some way of measuring, and competition will help
you with that because you're looking at times and scores.
Another way is just to simply go get training and
find out how am I doing against everybody else? How
(01:40):
am I doing in terms of what the instructor thinks,
because instructor becomes your measurement tool if you will and says, yeah,
you're doing well, or we need to work on this,
or you know you can't be doing that, But you
got to find out if you're any good, because that's
the only way you can say I need to be better.
And trust me, we all we all need to be better.
(02:03):
Talking about this, Chris joins me right now out of
bat Rouge Louisiana and Chris, I guess you just went
to a training session.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah. Our daughter just had our first grand baby a
few months ago. She was scheduled up for the three
day pistol class that was being held last fall. When
about that time is when she found out she was pregnant,
and one of the warnings was not gunpowder that I expected,
but actually the gun noise on the range for an
(02:32):
in vitro baby for the problem. So they allowed her
to put it off, and yesterday they had the basic
pistol just a one day class on Saturday, which was nice,
and she attended that. And the motivation for it was
she lives down in the Algiers Point area by New Orleans,
likes to walk the levee as recreation and exercise, and
(02:53):
there's stretches of it that are pretty populated. There's stretches
of it to get pretty lonely, and now pushing a
baby along or airing a baby, she realized how vulnerable
she was and how responsible she was, and it motivator says,
you know, I really need to take the class.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So do I understand you went to the range ready class,
the one that we have down near Robert Correct. Correct? Okay?
Had you been there before? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You and actually you and I actually had one of
the classes at home, if it was a Savage class
or one of the other ones. But you and I
were one of the classes together. And I've been out
there for about half a dozen classes, and now I
kind of blend a hand as a volunteer assistant for
some of the classes.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's what happened. You keep you keep hanging around, They're
going to put you to work yet.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, and I've done some grass cutting out there for
him too, But yeah, I kind of do the step
and set it stuff for the classes. I'm not I
don't have the expertise to really be on the line
and offering that level of training, but but I can
help out all right on the line.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
People are wanting to know, all right, your daughter goes
to this class. She probably having grown up with you,
she probably knew her way around guns a little bit.
But so how did this one day class go for her?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
She had actually taken the concealed carry class here with
Louisiana State Police uh OR at f RC Range actually
about five years ago. Didn't get the paperwork done and
just never was really that motivated to carry, so she
just kind of let it ride. But yesterday it was
good for it was all the basics. It was, you know,
(04:28):
how to load the gun, how to properly rip site
and triggers. As Chris Serino always you know, pushes head classes.
You know, it's just all the basic things that she
needs to get started, and now she's motivated. She wants
to start doing more dry fire and she's looking forward
to when they do the advanced semi auto classes.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well, when you, you know, it does change your perspective when
you're thinking, Okay, it's not just me. Now I got
this baby and there's just the two of us out there,
and there are bad people who will do unspeakable things,
and I'm the only one who's going to take care
of this infant.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, and it's not even just taking care of the
infants directly. Before she had the option, you know, I
can cut and run and get out of this situation.
But now you have somebody responsible for you can't just leave.
But also you're limited on what response you can make.
You don't have the uh, you know, start taking the punches.
It with people isn't really a big option when you're
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also trying to carry and protect a baby.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right, No, No, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And consequently, her husband, now that she's gone to that
class yesterday, yeah, she says, I think he's saying himself, well,
I don't want to get left behind because he said
something that well, I think I'll start carrying too, And
she says, no, not until you start taking classes. Now
you're realizing that he's got to participate or he's got
to get left at home.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And I know you probably know this, but one of
the things that you can share with them is that
if both of you and a couple are carrying guns,
it's not like one or the other. They both need
to be carried and they both have training. It's not
twice as good, it's five times as good because the
(06:11):
bar it is a force multiplier. The benefit is exponential
in terms of what you can do and one covering
the other in his back and looking out for each other.
But and this is the big butt, you both have
to have had training, and then it really is worthwhile
if you'll go get couples training or team training so
(06:35):
you learn how to work together. And about half of that, honestly,
is how to communicate right.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
One of the things that I do is I carry
a backup gun, a snubby jprain, and my wife knows
how to shoot. She can shoot both semi and revolver,
but she's more comfortable with the revolver or simply because
she doesn't train that much. But when we're traveling or
it's every day, I carry that I know that if
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I need to hand off to her, I can hand
that one off to her. And she's a capable backup.
She has been to some trainings with me. In fact,
she's been to the one that ranged ready with Chris Serino.
So you know that's that's always in my mind as
well as that I can hand off to her if
I need to, or if for some reason I get disabled.
She knows how to use both the guns that I carry.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
A good point if you know, what if something happens
to you, Because I've had women say, well, you know
I don't carry because my husband carries. I said, well,
you know who do you think they're going to come
up and knock in the back of the head you
or him? They're going to knock him out, And now
you're there, and if you don't have any training or
don't even know where his gun is or how to
get it out, now you're vulnerable. That's just not thinking
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through the situation.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right. And you know the other thing, there was an
interesting article just the other day. I saw that a
pastor went out to stop somebody who is in the
parking lots and they were urinating it. A couple of drunks.
He steps out and he's carrying his gun behind him,
and at first they start talking back to him. All
of a sudden they oh, yes, so we're leaving, and
he's feeling kind of proud of himself, and he realizes
(08:11):
that his wife had just stepped out on the front
porch with the shotgun. They weren't afraid of him at
the backup. Sure made a difference.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, I don't know of a soul in the world
that wants to argue with a shotgun. Just doesn't happen.
A great call. I appreciated. Congratulations on you, and more
power to your daughter and encourage her to go back
to arrange ready and get her husband in there and
and talk to Chris. Hey, look, why don't you do
a couple's class, a team class. He would love to
(08:39):
do that, and he is frankly a savant when it
comes to firearms training. Chris, I appreciate the call. All right,
quick break here, what's in your mind? Are you getting training?
If you had training, or you maybe considering, yeah, we
are to get training. Give me a call. I can
help you through the process. Six six talk gun. I'm Tom.
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Speaker 6 (11:13):
I'm Blake he Getz from Louisiana senator and former world
champion shooter.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You're listening to gun talk now. Blake Megas is a
state senator in Louisiana is also running for the US Senate,
running against oh Bill Cassidy. Bill Cassidy, of course, was
one of the ones one of the Republicans who helped
Joe Biden pass his gun control agenda. Yeah, for those
(11:42):
in Louisiana, they don't know. Bill Cassidy is anti gun
and he may talk up a strong game about Second Amendment.
I love it when I said I support the Second Amendment.
But yeah, no, there's no butt. What do you say?
But what it says this everything that came before the
butt is untrue. And Bill Casty was one of the
(12:04):
Republicans who helped Joe Biden pass his massive gun control bill.
Blake Meekaz, on the other hand, he's a world champion
shooter and would never do something like that. So I
am strongly supporting Blake Megaz in his campaign to be
elected a US Senator in Louisiana, just so everybody knows. Okay,
(12:28):
let's go talk to Joe Line four out of Kansas. Joe,
you're on gun talk, which on your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm guessing that Pam Bondy is like Bill Casty
in a lot of ways, but still she's better than
the alternative. Here's how we should take Pam Bondy. Think
of her as the Taylor Swift of attorney generals.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh wow, this is gonna be good. I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
All the guys with their beards. That's so proud of
her and their gaga for her. They can be her swifties. Okay,
to find out about Pam Bondy, find out somebody that
grew up with her, that went to high school with her,
to feel how she felt about brock Insane, Obama's last
(13:15):
executive order to say that people that were on Social
Security couldn't be armed are legally purchased guns until President
Donald Trump overturned it. If anybody can find out that
went to school with her in Florida, whatever that she
was all for it, call your show.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
There you go. People know more about Pam Bondi by
always give us a call. Jim says, we're going now
we're going to call them Bondi's and step Swifties. Oh
my god, this is getting weird. Line. What Ken's with
us out of the Idaho? Hey, Yad, and you're here
on the air, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (13:54):
Yeah, I appreciate you talking about safety and letting people
know where you are when you're hunting. Almost seventy five
year old guy here and it's just me and my
little Brittany go chasing Hans in Chuckers and there's no
cell coverage, so I've picked up a device a few
(14:14):
years ago that love. It's called a Garment in Reach
and it's a satellite communicator. When I part the truck,
I let my wife know I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Leaving the truck.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
She'll know where it is because it's got the coordinate's
right there in the text or the email. When I
get back, I let her know, and she also can
tracked me.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
She can see exactly.
Speaker 10 (14:33):
Where I am at any time.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
If I get updates every ten minutes or something like that.
I'm literally holding an inReach in my hand right now. Yeah,
the Garment in Reach and people say I've got a spot.
Not the same thing, Okay, it's a different system, the
Garment in Reach, and there's a monthly fee. But you
can turn on a tracker and it has basically dropping
breadcrumbs and you can give that information access to that
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information to other people and make it so if you
don't show up and go, we'll follow us crumb breadcrumbs
this trail. It will know right where to go. That's
where he is. It also has a help me button,
an SOS button. You press that and you can communicate
with the rescuers and they'll send in help. I am
a huge, huge fan of the in reach, and I
have other systems. I have a PLB, a person located
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beacon that's more aviation base, but it's a pocket one
that I carry in my pocket, and I have both
of them because I want to have two different systems
using two different satellite systems. But yeah, thank you for
bringing that up. If you go out at all off
the pavement, a garment in reach is a really good purchase.
And treat yourself or treat members of your family around Christmas. Ken,
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how long have you had your in reach?
Speaker 10 (15:44):
I've had my in reach for six years and it's
just been a God said. My wife doesn't worry about
me being out there alone. Like you say, I've got
the SOS function if you know, God forbid, I was
in couldn't get my way back to the truck so well.
And you know when the monthly subscription is less than
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a you know, a truck drop truck stop lunch, so.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
It's a bargain there.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You go worthwhile and it's you're part of this greater
thing of safety is more than just having a gun,
is having awareness and sometimes it's having the right tools.
And I think these are really worthwhile. Actually have bought
garment in reach for members of my family. So that's
how important I think they are. Thank you, sir, I
appreciate that call. Let's drop down and grab Eddie online too,
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out of Wyoming.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Hey Eddie, Hello, sir, thanks to taking my phone call.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
What's on your mind for you? Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Well, I'm a raloader and have been for a good
bit and I was looking to owd my seven mm
and I had to switch. So it said it called
for Winchester Magnum large rifle, So I loaded up doing
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the latter test, went out to the range. Half of
them pressured up so bad that I've never seen it.
The pen where it struck the primer put a hole
all the way through it, and then the other half
go off and all. And I talked to some of
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my reloading buddies and I showed them and they're like, dude,
that's bad primers. So I tried to get a hold
of Winchester but I couldn't. And I don't know should
I just toss these because it's a brand new box
of primers. But should I toss them or what it
(17:54):
used to get?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, do you have some other primers you can use
and maybe thows to the side while we sort it
all out.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
Yes or c.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Which are primarily.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Okay if you know, honestly, if you've used the CCI
brand primers before with no problem, I'd go back to
those and then try to sort out what's going on.
Here's another thing to be aware of. You cannot just
change primers and use the same load that you've been using.
When you start with a new primer. You got to
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start over and working your way up to it. Sounds
like maybe you were doing that if you're doing a
ladder test and people can look up a ladder test
for reloading. I don't want to go into the details
of that, but changing primers you can get a serious
difference in pressures when you change brands a primer and
you think, well, they should all be the same, but no,
they're not. They're not all the same, and so that's
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one of the variables. I mean, you have several different
variables when you're reloading. It's one of the reasons that
we have to be careful when we're doing this and
precise in detailed. It's like, okay, which powder is it,
you know, h forty eight thirty one or is it,
I AMR forty eight thirty one. Well, they're different, They're close,
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but they're not exactly the same, and you got to
make sure you know which one you're using. Reloading requires
you to be precise. It's one of the things that
I think attracts some of us to it. It also
is it can be a little bit unforgiving if you
are careless and screw up. But then again, isn't everything
involving shooting and guns unforgiving if you're careless and you
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screw up. So I guess what I would say would be, Yeah,
put those Onnchester primers aside, go back to the CCIS
and look, thank you for the call, appreciate that, and
just try to figure out what's going on. I was
able to diagnose something recently where I had made a mistake.
I may I think I mentioned on the show. I
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was in my three thirty eight six. The nause or
acubon bullets were shooting great, and then I loaded up
some nozz or partition bullets. They were shooting all over
the place, which is nuts because I'd use these same
bullets and other loads and they worked great. I kept
pondering on it, and I thought I think maybe I
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screwed up on the seating depth. So I went back
and checked, and sure enough I had not seated the
bullets deep enough into the case. So I bumped them
down just a little bit, not a lot, just bumped
them and put in the press who seeded the bullets
a little bit tighter, went out of the range. Instead
of getting four inch to five inch groups, I'm getting
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half inch to one inch groups, same loads, same everything else,
Just a difference in seating depth. If that doesn't interest you,
if you don't find that interesting, is a thing to do.
Reloading for accuracy may not be your thing. But if
you look at that and go, well, that's fascinating. I
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did not know that that little change would they make
that much difference. I would like to know more about
that than reloading, maybe for you, because it is it's
always there and you're always tweaking, You're always trying to
get the very best out of your loads, and you're going,
what can that change. I'm gonna change my powder. I'm
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going to try a different primer, And look, I have
seen the group sizes shrink by half by going to
a different brand powder or not powder primer. So just
say it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
By the way, speaking of primers, remember when we couldn't
find any primers and they were not available. People are
complaining their primers available everywhere. Now. The question I have
for you is are you buying them now? I asked
that question on X and people say, yeah, but they're expensive.
Do you think they're going to get less expensive or
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do you think they're possibly going to get more expensive
because your house costs the thing as it did ten
years ago. Let's get real about this. Do you either
want them or you don't. Firstly, I'm buying primers right
now because they're available and I know I'm going to
need them. Kind of a wild one out of Vero Beach, Florida,
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about a week or two ago. Gud grabs a woman,
drags her into her store at gunpoint, and he's a felon.
He's an armed felon. He was stopped by a woman
who worked in the store, who grabbed her gun out
of her purse, pointed at this guy, showed him back
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out the door. She also, I don't know why lack
of training fires. Two warning shots, bad idea, bad idea.
Two warning shots in the air, maybe through a ceiling.
I don't know, to get everybody's attention, to give his
attention to make people think he's serious. I'm not sure
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what was going on there. There's not I don't believe.
I don't think. I've never heard of a reputable training
facility that will teach you to fire quote unquote warning shots.
Bad idea. First of all, you're giving away a couple
of rounds that you might need at some point. You're
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also responsible for everything those bullets do when they leave
your gun. If you shoot them in the air, you
don't know where they're gonna come down. If you need
a gun for self defense, pointed at the person who
is the threat, and then do whatever is necessary. If
you can get them to leave you, get them, drop
the gun. Find great, do what you gotta do. If
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you got to shoot them, do what you gotta do.
In this case, this woman, you know, apart from the
warning shots, did a good job. Oh yeah, that story
will never make the news, by the way, just how
it is. You probably saw the new story about this
huge explosion in Tennessee near bucksnort Tennessee. It's best I
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can find. And if you've got some more information, I
would love to know about it. But this was not
a factory that made gunpowder, not smoker's powder like we use.
They were making military arms, grenades, clay more minds, C
four mortars, stuff like that killed a bunch of people.
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People are asking, well, what's that going to do to
supply a powder for reloaders or for ammunition. I don't
think there's a direct impact, although if who knows, maybe
the components they're using and smokerspowder and primers could be
used there. I don't know right now, I haven't heard
of anything. So if you know anything, let me know,
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give me a call, and if I hear of anything,
I will be sure to follow up and let you
know what I'm hearing about that. Let's go talk to
a Less online four in Threeport, Louisiana. Less thank you
for your patients. What do you get there? Oh?
Speaker 11 (25:09):
I'm sorry, no, So I just found your station about
for your show about a month ago. I am a
listener now I'm gonna combat that. And I've always used
revolvers smith and wanting revolvers, but I wanted to go
to a semi and I'm really telling me to get
like an MP nine, So I bought me an MP
nine and I wanted to get an experts take on
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the reliability and how well of a firearm it is.
And you're the resident expert in my book.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Okay, I'll tell you my story about the Smith and
West m m P pistol in nine milimeters. When my
son and his wife, my daughter in law, and my
wife all went to Thunder Ranch to take their training,
I bought three Smith and Wesson m MP pistols nine
(25:55):
milimeters and gave them to them for them to take
their class. They all still have them, they all still
depend upon them. I personally think the Smith and westn
MP line and now they've got the MP two point
zero is one of the finest systems out there for
personal protection as well as just for having fun at
(26:16):
the range. They're really good. I am a huge fan
of the M and P line. I think you did
really well.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
I appreciate it all. I said. It's been a combat
that made it a little easier if I know what
I'm doing with it. But I've also taken classes, of course,
But I said, I've being a revolver a person all
my life. Still y'all old I am, But I figured
i'd try to update myself to a modern that was
a light weight rightweight pistol. And I want to get
your take on.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I thank you very much, so, yeah, you did well.
Carry on, get go get a little more training, and
I know you've been a combat value are combat vet?
Recurrent training is a good thing. I learn a little
bit more about it, especially when it comes to civilian use.
There's an awful lot of miss out there about and look,
I appreciate to call a lot of myths about use
of guns and self defense. A lot of the stuff
(27:03):
we think we know, unfortunately we don't know where we'd
learned it. And where we learned it turns out to
be from movies and from TV. Bad place to get
your information about everything, right, but certainly about the use
of guns. I mean case in point. We have a
(27:23):
show we've had on for many, many years and we
take regular people and put them in a self defense situation.
It's called first Person Defender. Can't tell you how many
times who had a scenario go down and the good
guy we put into the situation where they don't really
have much of any training, and they shoot the bad guy,
(27:44):
stop the attack, and then they walk over to where
the bad guy is to kick the gun away that's
laying on the ground, and if you ask why they
did it, they end up with a blank look in
their face. They don't know. I mean I know because
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they saw it done at a cop movie or a
cop TV show. Kick the gun away. Let's review what
is a pistol? What is a gun? It's a force
projection system. Why do we use it instead of a
club or a hammer or a knife because it allows
us to have distance from our attacker. We don't have
to get close to them where they could hurt us.
(28:29):
So you have this device, the system that lets you
maintain a safer distance, and you have used it, and
now you're going to give up the space. You're going
to give up the distance by walking up to this
person who may or may not be totally incapacitated. No,
(28:49):
my point on all this is we often don't even
know literally what we don't know. We don't know where
this stuff in our head came from. And unless we
go get some real training. And I'm not talking about
like how to hit a target. I'm talking about how
to defend yourself from a self defense situation, how to
move through a house, how to shoot around corners. Unless
(29:11):
we go get real training like that. There's no way
to flush that garbage out of our heads, and you've
got to get rid of the stuff that's in there
before you can put in the good stuff. And for me,
that's honestly what training is all about. Be right back
with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (31:45):
You know, I talk about hardware a lot. We like
the new guns and cool guns. There's a lot of
really good guns out there now, and it doesn't really matter.
I mean, look, we all have our brands that we like.
Some people are Smith and Western people, some like SIGs, Springfield, Ruger.
(32:06):
It doesn't matter. They all make good stuff and I
like those brands and others I like the fns and
the hk's and it just goes on and on. And
I think the more you learn about different brands and
the more you try different things, you learn something in
the process. But I wanted to get this in. I
(32:26):
don't want you to think that you have to have
the latest, greatest, our last callers that he Boughty used,
Smith and Wesson, M and P. That they could be
twenty years old and be just as good as it
was when you bought it. You can buy yourself a
Browning High Power that's fifty years old and it's just
as good as it was when they made it. Are
(32:49):
their advantages to the new guns? Yeah, sure they're better
to some extent, But does that mean that the older
guns are inadequate? No, not at all, Not at all.
And if you're on a limited budget, and pretty much
all of us are on a limited budget, just at
different places, don't be afraid to buy a used gun.
(33:14):
Just make sure it works, spend your money on training.
If you say, okay, I got I'm gonna put five
hundred bucks into this and that's all I got, go
buy you a two hundred or two hundred and fifty
dollars pistol and then go spend two hundred and fifty
bucks on AMMO and on training as opposed to buying
(33:36):
a five hundred dollars gun. And you got no money
for AMMO other than maybe a box of AMMO, and
no money for training. You need to be sending rounds
down range. Most I know some people who shoot all
the time, but that's very few of us. Most of
us don't shoot enough, and Lord knows, most of us
(33:57):
don't practice our dry practic just enough. I'm trying to
get away from calling it dry fire because it's more
than that. I think you would benefit, but I know
you would. I know that all of us would by
practicing your draw in your presentation in dry practice. When
(34:20):
I think of dry firing, I think of just raising
the pistol up and snapping the trigger and working on
your side alignment and all that. And that's worthwhile. That's
a little bit, and you're going to get something out
of it. But I think you get more out of
it if you have your gun in a holster the
way you're going to carry it and nice and smooth.
They'd have to be super slow, but it shouldn't be
super fast. Just work on the movement clearing, the cover
(34:42):
garment drawing. If you don't know what all these are,
they go take a class, or at the very least,
just go online. There's a lot of places you can
learn this stuff online. Be a little bit circumspect, a
little bit careful about using your sources online. There are
some really good ones, and then there's some guys who
(35:03):
are goofballs, and they're just they're doing it for the clicks,
they're doing it for the traffic, they're doing it for
the monetization. Be careful, She's carefully Okay, So anyway, just
just saying just if you would consider making dry practice
(35:24):
a part of your routine. I get a good practice
draw every day when I take my gun off. I
learned this from Illan new really good instructor at gun site.
She she knows your stuff. She said, look at the
end of the day, take your gun Off're just like,
gets down there and take it off casually. Put your
(35:46):
gun away, he says, make a draw. Bring the gun
out pointed at something, preferably something that would catch a bullet.
Booksalves are good, refrigerated are good. Keep your finger off
the trigger. It doesn't have to be fast, but it's
a chance. You got to take the gun off every day.
(36:06):
It's a chance for you to get in a practice draw.
And I've had people say, oh wow, you do that
with a loaded gun. My friend, if you can't pull
a loaded gun out of a holster and pointed at
something safe without pull of the trigger, we need to
have a conversation. If you're afraid of pulling a gun,
(36:28):
loaded gun out of your holster and pointing it at
a bookshelf, then we really need to get you to
some training. And you really need to send a thousand
rounds down range carefully, maybe under a washful eye of instructor,
but that should be nothing burger. That shouldn't bother you
in the slightest. In the process of doing that, you
(36:51):
handle your gun, you have made a draw, you have
presented the sights on target, and you also a practice
and the fact that when you draw your gun, you
don't have to pull the trigger. In fact, you shouldn't
be putting your finger on the trigger unless you're ready
to fire. Okay, it's a chance for you to get
training that you need. Putting that good stuff in your head,
(37:18):
it also gets you back into thinking, okay, I'm carrying
a gun. What's it all about? What am I gonna do?
You start thinking about the scenarios. What am I going
to do if? What if somebody cuts me off in traffic,
stops me and comes up to my car with a crowbar? Well,
I don't know what are you going to do? You
(37:40):
got your gun. But if he's beating on the hood
of your car, is that a threat to you? No,
it's not. If it's beating on your tire, are they
even the door of your car? Is that a threat
to you? No? I mean it's an insurance claim. But
(38:01):
if he and by the way, keep your window rolled up,
for Heaven's sake, don't roll it down so you can
talk to him. Shields up, keep your window rolled up,
drive off if you can. But if he smashes out
your window, shoot that sob light him up like a
Christmas tree and then call nine one one. But you
(38:25):
need to have thought this stuff through. What am I
going to do if this happens? Because if you thought
it through, it played it out in your head fifty
times or a hundred times. When you see it, it's
like been here before, I know what to do here.
I'm not really concerned I got all this figured out.
Only if he smashes out the window and tries to
reach in, am I gonna shoo him? Otherwise he's just
(38:48):
messing up my car, you know, and money will take
care of that. Just that's where I look at it.
Give it some thought, all right? That been your eight
sixty six Talk Gun. We'll get you in here. If
(39:09):
we can't get you on live, we'll get you into
the after show in just a minute. Let's go talk
to Paul. He's in Palmer, Alaska. Hey, Paul, you're on
Gun Talk. How go we off you today?
Speaker 15 (39:18):
Hey?
Speaker 16 (39:19):
Tom, I just wanted to share something you were talking about,
satellite devices, rescue devices, and a few years ago, or
actually twenty twelve, I had a SPOT emergency locator A
long story short as on the Talkita River on a
caribou hunt one hundred year front. Event happened. We got
washed out, we lost one plane and in the water
(39:42):
with my spot pushing the button and nothing happened. And
fortunately we had a satellite phone too that we were
using to communicate with our.
Speaker 15 (39:51):
CC to try and get rescued from the situation.
Speaker 16 (39:55):
But what I didn't do is I didn't read the
fine print and that is on the earlier spot models
they took that they weren't rechargeable.
Speaker 15 (40:02):
You put a battery in them.
Speaker 16 (40:03):
And I had put lithium batteries and says right on
the directions, do not.
Speaker 15 (40:08):
Use lithium batteries with this device. Really mentioned to the details.
You know, I have a pilot.
Speaker 16 (40:12):
I should have been paying those paying attention to those details,
and that can get you in trouble.
Speaker 15 (40:17):
So learn how to use your in reach.
Speaker 16 (40:19):
First I got an in Reach and I was the
first time I took it out.
Speaker 15 (40:22):
Now I was having trouble with the whole, you know.
Speaker 16 (40:24):
Connecting and texting through my cell phone and like there again,
you know, pay attention to the details when you use
these devices.
Speaker 15 (40:30):
They could take a.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Good point and in Reach uh Dormott they have one
version that's a little tiny and you can only use
it through your phone. I don't like that one. I
don't want that one. I want one that if my
phone is not working, I want to be able to
use that unit self contained. So I get the larger
one that you can use by itself.
Speaker 15 (40:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 16 (40:50):
And the other lesson I learned is that I have
and I have the many I have the many too.
But but the only reason I have the Mini is
because I don't.
Speaker 15 (40:59):
Leave home without a satellite phone.
Speaker 16 (41:01):
I just figure as a pilot, if you can afford
an airplane and the gas and the maintenance, you can
afford a satellite phone. Because there's nothing better than being
able to talk to OURCC Frush Control Center when there's
an emergency. Anyway, I just want to want to share
that story with you.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh good, good infot Sometimes I got to tell you
about what happened to me and Devil's Canyon on the
Takiaiton River when we sunk a boat was never found
and I had to get lifted out by a helicopter
out of the rapids. That was a fun day.
Speaker 16 (41:31):
One other thing too, I've heard you talk about Alaska
from time to time.
Speaker 15 (41:35):
One of these days, give.
Speaker 16 (41:36):
Us a little five minute tell us about how you
came to Alaska, what your experiences were up here, I will.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I was actually the editor of Alaska Magazine for five years,
living in Anchorage.
Speaker 15 (41:47):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 16 (41:48):
Also that three thirty eight o six I used to
own one myself, and I've been thinking about You've kind
of inspired me. Maybe I should build another one, But
I keep us posted on that Alchine, I will do that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's a fun gun. And you know, the three thirty
eight out six is easy to load. For used to
be you could find you factory AMMO, which you can't
for it anymore. So it's pretty much a reloader's deal.
And look, the reality is, I admit it. Everything you
can do with that you can do with a thirty
out six with a good two hundred green bullet. It'll
work just fine. I just like the weird stuff. It's
(42:22):
a little bit different, so I appreciate that. And look,
thanks for passing along that information about the spot and learning,
making sure you know how to run this stuff. This
is life saving equipment. This is really important stuff. You
need to know how to run it. You need to
know how to run it in bad conditions like when
you're getting flushed down a river, or you're up to
your waist in water, or you've broken an arm or
(42:46):
whatever your hypothermic. Can you run your gear, practice with it,
know how to do it, do it over and over again.
This is not like something you can just turn it
on and flip it on. It's more involved than that.
So just just a thought, appreciate that, Hey give me
a call right now if you'd like to be a
part of the aftershow. We've got a couple of people
lined up, or we got room for you as well. Also,
Jim's going to have his range report on a gun
(43:09):
that sho's really really fast. I want to hear all
about that, so we'll be doing that. In the meantime,
go out and do a little bit of shooting. Commit
to get in some training practice. You're dry practice, not
just dry fire, but be careful, okay, and for the
most part, don't do this with loaded guns. I mean,
I do stuff, but some of the things I do
(43:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, welcome back. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun talk. Well,
guess what we talk about guns? Big deal, not a surprise, right.
We call it gun talk because it we're limited to hunting.
People say it's a hunting show. No it's not. It's
about guns. It's about everything we do with guns. It
can be competitive shooting, keeping our gun in your home
(00:33):
for personal protection, carrying a gun on your belt or
in your purse for protection. If you're going to do
that kind of thing. How do you know? Here's a
good question for you. How do you know if you're competent?
I remember asking that question for a bunch of pilots
were sitting around one time one evening and I was
(00:56):
the shortest time, the lowest time pilot. There a lot
of experienced people, people with tens of thousands of hours,
and I said, how do I know if I'm a
good pilot? It kind of stumped them. So the question
I ask you is, how do you know if you're competent?
With your self defense firearm. There are a few ways
(01:19):
to know, but I think you have to. I mean,
if you can't measure it, you can't know. You've got
to have some way of measuring, and competition will help
you with that because you're looking at times and scores.
Another way is just to simply go get training and
find out how am I doing against everybody else? How
(01:40):
am I doing in terms of what the instructor thinks,
because instructor becomes your measurement tool if you will and says, yeah,
you're doing well, or we need to work on this,
or you know you can't be doing that, But you
got to find out if you're any good, because that's
the only way you can say I need to be better.
And trust me, we all we all need to be better.
(02:03):
Talking about this, Chris joins me right now out of
bat Rouge Louisiana and Chris, I guess you just went
to a training session.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah. Our daughter just had our first grand baby a
few months ago. She was scheduled up for the three
day pistol class that was being held last fall. When
about that time is when she found out she was pregnant,
and one of the warnings was not gunpowder that I expected,
but actually the gun noise on the range for an
(02:32):
in vitro baby for the problem. So they allowed her
to put it off, and yesterday they had the basic
pistol just a one day class on Saturday, which was nice,
and she attended that. And the motivation for it was
she lives down in the Algiers Point area by New Orleans,
likes to walk the levee as recreation and exercise, and
(02:53):
there's stretches of it that are pretty populated. There's stretches
of it to get pretty lonely, and now pushing a
baby along or airing a baby, she realized how vulnerable
she was and how responsible she was, and it motivator says,
you know, I really need to take the class.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So do I understand you went to the range ready class,
the one that we have down near Robert Correct. Correct? Okay?
Had you been there before? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You and actually you and I actually had one of
the classes at home, if it was a Savage class
or one of the other ones. But you and I
were one of the classes together. And I've been out
there for about half a dozen classes, and now I
kind of blend a hand as a volunteer assistant for
some of the classes.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's what happened. You keep you keep hanging around, They're
going to put you to work yet.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, and I've done some grass cutting out there for
him too, But yeah, I kind of do the step
and set it stuff for the classes. I'm not I
don't have the expertise to really be on the line
and offering that level of training, but but I can
help out all right on the line.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
People are wanting to know, all right, your daughter goes
to this class. She probably having grown up with you,
she probably knew her way around guns a little bit.
But so how did this one day class go for her?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
She had actually taken the concealed carry class here with
Louisiana State Police uh OR at f RC Range actually
about five years ago. Didn't get the paperwork done and
just never was really that motivated to carry, so she
just kind of let it ride. But yesterday it was
good for it was all the basics. It was, you know,
(04:28):
how to load the gun, how to properly rip site
and triggers. As Chris Serino always you know, pushes head classes.
You know, it's just all the basic things that she
needs to get started, and now she's motivated. She wants
to start doing more dry fire and she's looking forward
to when they do the advanced semi auto classes.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well, when you, you know, it does change your perspective when
you're thinking, Okay, it's not just me. Now I got
this baby and there's just the two of us out there,
and there are bad people who will do unspeakable things,
and I'm the only one who's going to take care
of this infant.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, and it's not even just taking care of the
infants directly. Before she had the option, you know, I
can cut and run and get out of this situation.
But now you have somebody responsible for you can't just leave.
But also you're limited on what response you can make.
You don't have the uh, you know, start taking the punches.
It with people isn't really a big option when you're
(05:26):
also trying to carry and protect a baby.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right, No, No, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And consequently, her husband, now that she's gone to that
class yesterday, yeah, she says, I think he's saying himself, well,
I don't want to get left behind because he said
something that well, I think I'll start carrying too, And
she says, no, not until you start taking classes. Now
you're realizing that he's got to participate or he's got
to get left at home.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And I know you probably know this, but one of
the things that you can share with them is that
if both of you and a couple are carrying guns,
it's not like one or the other. They both need
to be carried and they both have training. It's not
twice as good, it's five times as good because the
(06:11):
bar it is a force multiplier. The benefit is exponential
in terms of what you can do and one covering
the other in his back and looking out for each other.
But and this is the big butt, you both have
to have had training, and then it really is worthwhile
if you'll go get couples training or team training so
(06:35):
you learn how to work together. And about half of that, honestly,
is how to communicate right.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
One of the things that I do is I carry
a backup gun, a snubby jprain, and my wife knows
how to shoot. She can shoot both semi and revolver,
but she's more comfortable with the revolver or simply because
she doesn't train that much. But when we're traveling or
it's every day, I carry that I know that if
(07:03):
I need to hand off to her, I can hand
that one off to her. And she's a capable backup.
She has been to some trainings with me. In fact,
she's been to the one that ranged ready with Chris Serino.
So you know that's that's always in my mind as
well as that I can hand off to her if
I need to, or if for some reason I get disabled.
She knows how to use both the guns that I carry.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
A good point if you know, what if something happens
to you, Because I've had women say, well, you know
I don't carry because my husband carries. I said, well,
you know who do you think they're going to come
up and knock in the back of the head you
or him? They're going to knock him out, And now
you're there, and if you don't have any training or
don't even know where his gun is or how to
get it out, now you're vulnerable. That's just not thinking
(07:46):
through the situation.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right. And you know the other thing, there was an
interesting article just the other day. I saw that a
pastor went out to stop somebody who is in the
parking lots and they were urinating it. A couple of drunks.
He steps out and he's carrying his gun behind him,
and at first they start talking back to him. All
of a sudden they oh, yes, so we're leaving, and
he's feeling kind of proud of himself, and he realizes
(08:11):
that his wife had just stepped out on the front
porch with the shotgun. They weren't afraid of him at
the backup. Sure made a difference.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, I don't know of a soul in the world
that wants to argue with a shotgun. Just doesn't happen.
A great call. I appreciated. Congratulations on you, and more
power to your daughter and encourage her to go back
to arrange ready and get her husband in there and
and talk to Chris. Hey, look, why don't you do
a couple's class, a team class. He would love to
(08:39):
do that, and he is frankly a savant when it
comes to firearms training. Chris, I appreciate the call. All right,
quick break here, what's in your mind? Are you getting training?
If you had training, or you maybe considering, yeah, we
are to get training. Give me a call. I can
help you through the process. Six six talk gun. I'm Tom.
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Speaker 6 (11:13):
I'm Blake he Getz from Louisiana senator and former world
champion shooter.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You're listening to gun talk now. Blake Megas is a
state senator in Louisiana is also running for the US Senate,
running against oh Bill Cassidy. Bill Cassidy, of course, was
one of the ones one of the Republicans who helped
Joe Biden pass his gun control agenda. Yeah, for those
(11:42):
in Louisiana, they don't know. Bill Cassidy is anti gun
and he may talk up a strong game about Second Amendment.
I love it when I said I support the Second Amendment.
But yeah, no, there's no butt. What do you say?
But what it says this everything that came before the
butt is untrue. And Bill Casty was one of the
(12:04):
Republicans who helped Joe Biden pass his massive gun control bill.
Blake Meekaz, on the other hand, he's a world champion
shooter and would never do something like that. So I
am strongly supporting Blake Megaz in his campaign to be
elected a US Senator in Louisiana, just so everybody knows. Okay,
(12:28):
let's go talk to Joe Line four out of Kansas. Joe,
you're on gun talk, which on your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm guessing that Pam Bondy is like Bill Casty
in a lot of ways, but still she's better than
the alternative. Here's how we should take Pam Bondy. Think
of her as the Taylor Swift of attorney generals.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh wow, this is gonna be good. I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
All the guys with their beards. That's so proud of
her and their gaga for her. They can be her swifties. Okay,
to find out about Pam Bondy, find out somebody that
grew up with her, that went to high school with her,
to feel how she felt about brock Insane, Obama's last
(13:15):
executive order to say that people that were on Social
Security couldn't be armed are legally purchased guns until President
Donald Trump overturned it. If anybody can find out that
went to school with her in Florida, whatever that she
was all for it, call your show.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
There you go. People know more about Pam Bondi by
always give us a call. Jim says, we're going now
we're going to call them Bondi's and step Swifties. Oh
my god, this is getting weird. Line. What Ken's with
us out of the Idaho? Hey, Yad, and you're here
on the air, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (13:54):
Yeah, I appreciate you talking about safety and letting people
know where you are when you're hunting. Almost seventy five
year old guy here and it's just me and my
little Brittany go chasing Hans in Chuckers and there's no
cell coverage, so I've picked up a device a few
(14:14):
years ago that love. It's called a Garment in Reach
and it's a satellite communicator. When I part the truck,
I let my wife know I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Leaving the truck.
Speaker 10 (14:23):
She'll know where it is because it's got the coordinate's
right there in the text or the email. When I
get back, I let her know, and she also can
tracked me.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
She can see exactly.
Speaker 10 (14:33):
Where I am at any time.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
If I get updates every ten minutes or something like that.
I'm literally holding an inReach in my hand right now. Yeah,
the Garment in Reach and people say I've got a spot.
Not the same thing, Okay, it's a different system, the
Garment in Reach, and there's a monthly fee. But you
can turn on a tracker and it has basically dropping
breadcrumbs and you can give that information access to that
(14:58):
information to other people and make it so if you
don't show up and go, we'll follow us crumb breadcrumbs
this trail. It will know right where to go. That's
where he is. It also has a help me button,
an SOS button. You press that and you can communicate
with the rescuers and they'll send in help. I am
a huge, huge fan of the in reach, and I
have other systems. I have a PLB, a person located
(15:19):
beacon that's more aviation base, but it's a pocket one
that I carry in my pocket, and I have both
of them because I want to have two different systems
using two different satellite systems. But yeah, thank you for
bringing that up. If you go out at all off
the pavement, a garment in reach is a really good purchase.
And treat yourself or treat members of your family around Christmas. Ken,
(15:42):
how long have you had your in reach?
Speaker 10 (15:44):
I've had my in reach for six years and it's
just been a God said. My wife doesn't worry about
me being out there alone. Like you say, I've got
the SOS function if you know, God forbid, I was
in couldn't get my way back to the truck so well.
And you know when the monthly subscription is less than
(16:06):
a you know, a truck drop truck stop lunch, so.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
It's a bargain there.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You go worthwhile and it's you're part of this greater
thing of safety is more than just having a gun,
is having awareness and sometimes it's having the right tools.
And I think these are really worthwhile. Actually have bought
garment in reach for members of my family. So that's
how important I think they are. Thank you, sir, I
appreciate that call. Let's drop down and grab Eddie online too,
(16:35):
out of Wyoming.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Hey Eddie, Hello, sir, thanks to taking my phone call.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
What's on your mind for you? Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Well, I'm a raloader and have been for a good
bit and I was looking to owd my seven mm
and I had to switch. So it said it called
for Winchester Magnum large rifle, So I loaded up doing
(17:11):
the latter test, went out to the range. Half of
them pressured up so bad that I've never seen it.
The pen where it struck the primer put a hole
all the way through it, and then the other half
go off and all. And I talked to some of
(17:33):
my reloading buddies and I showed them and they're like, dude,
that's bad primers. So I tried to get a hold
of Winchester but I couldn't. And I don't know should
I just toss these because it's a brand new box
of primers. But should I toss them or what it
(17:54):
used to get?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, do you have some other primers you can use
and maybe thows to the side while we sort it
all out.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
Yes or c.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Which are primarily.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Okay if you know, honestly, if you've used the CCI
brand primers before with no problem, I'd go back to
those and then try to sort out what's going on.
Here's another thing to be aware of. You cannot just
change primers and use the same load that you've been using.
When you start with a new primer. You got to
(18:29):
start over and working your way up to it. Sounds
like maybe you were doing that if you're doing a
ladder test and people can look up a ladder test
for reloading. I don't want to go into the details
of that, but changing primers you can get a serious
difference in pressures when you change brands a primer and
you think, well, they should all be the same, but no,
they're not. They're not all the same, and so that's
(18:51):
one of the variables. I mean, you have several different
variables when you're reloading. It's one of the reasons that
we have to be careful when we're doing this and
precise in detailed. It's like, okay, which powder is it,
you know, h forty eight thirty one or is it,
I AMR forty eight thirty one. Well, they're different, They're close,
(19:12):
but they're not exactly the same, and you got to
make sure you know which one you're using. Reloading requires
you to be precise. It's one of the things that
I think attracts some of us to it. It also
is it can be a little bit unforgiving if you
are careless and screw up. But then again, isn't everything
involving shooting and guns unforgiving if you're careless and you
(19:35):
screw up. So I guess what I would say would be, Yeah,
put those Onnchester primers aside, go back to the CCIS
and look, thank you for the call, appreciate that, and
just try to figure out what's going on. I was
able to diagnose something recently where I had made a mistake.
I may I think I mentioned on the show. I
(19:56):
was in my three thirty eight six. The nause or
acubon bullets were shooting great, and then I loaded up
some nozz or partition bullets. They were shooting all over
the place, which is nuts because I'd use these same
bullets and other loads and they worked great. I kept
pondering on it, and I thought I think maybe I
(20:16):
screwed up on the seating depth. So I went back
and checked, and sure enough I had not seated the
bullets deep enough into the case. So I bumped them
down just a little bit, not a lot, just bumped
them and put in the press who seeded the bullets
a little bit tighter, went out of the range. Instead
of getting four inch to five inch groups, I'm getting
(20:37):
half inch to one inch groups, same loads, same everything else,
Just a difference in seating depth. If that doesn't interest you,
if you don't find that interesting, is a thing to do.
Reloading for accuracy may not be your thing. But if
you look at that and go, well, that's fascinating. I
(20:58):
did not know that that little change would they make
that much difference. I would like to know more about
that than reloading, maybe for you, because it is it's
always there and you're always tweaking, You're always trying to
get the very best out of your loads, and you're going,
what can that change. I'm gonna change my powder. I'm
(21:18):
going to try a different primer, And look, I have
seen the group sizes shrink by half by going to
a different brand powder or not powder primer. So just
say it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
By the way, speaking of primers, remember when we couldn't
find any primers and they were not available. People are
complaining their primers available everywhere. Now. The question I have
for you is are you buying them now? I asked
that question on X and people say, yeah, but they're expensive.
Do you think they're going to get less expensive or
(21:52):
do you think they're possibly going to get more expensive
because your house costs the thing as it did ten
years ago. Let's get real about this. Do you either
want them or you don't. Firstly, I'm buying primers right
now because they're available and I know I'm going to
need them. Kind of a wild one out of Vero Beach, Florida,
(22:22):
about a week or two ago. Gud grabs a woman,
drags her into her store at gunpoint, and he's a felon.
He's an armed felon. He was stopped by a woman
who worked in the store, who grabbed her gun out
of her purse, pointed at this guy, showed him back
(22:45):
out the door. She also, I don't know why lack
of training fires. Two warning shots, bad idea, bad idea.
Two warning shots in the air, maybe through a ceiling.
I don't know, to get everybody's attention, to give his
attention to make people think he's serious. I'm not sure
(23:07):
what was going on there. There's not I don't believe.
I don't think. I've never heard of a reputable training
facility that will teach you to fire quote unquote warning shots.
Bad idea. First of all, you're giving away a couple
of rounds that you might need at some point. You're
(23:27):
also responsible for everything those bullets do when they leave
your gun. If you shoot them in the air, you
don't know where they're gonna come down. If you need
a gun for self defense, pointed at the person who
is the threat, and then do whatever is necessary. If
you can get them to leave you, get them, drop
the gun. Find great, do what you gotta do. If
(23:48):
you got to shoot them, do what you gotta do.
In this case, this woman, you know, apart from the
warning shots, did a good job. Oh yeah, that story
will never make the news, by the way, just how
it is. You probably saw the new story about this
huge explosion in Tennessee near bucksnort Tennessee. It's best I
(24:12):
can find. And if you've got some more information, I
would love to know about it. But this was not
a factory that made gunpowder, not smoker's powder like we use.
They were making military arms, grenades, clay more minds, C
four mortars, stuff like that killed a bunch of people.
(24:35):
People are asking, well, what's that going to do to
supply a powder for reloaders or for ammunition. I don't
think there's a direct impact, although if who knows, maybe
the components they're using and smokerspowder and primers could be
used there. I don't know right now, I haven't heard
of anything. So if you know anything, let me know,
(24:55):
give me a call, and if I hear of anything,
I will be sure to follow up and let you
know what I'm hearing about that. Let's go talk to
a Less online four in Threeport, Louisiana. Less thank you
for your patients. What do you get there? Oh?
Speaker 11 (25:09):
I'm sorry, no, So I just found your station about
for your show about a month ago. I am a
listener now I'm gonna combat that. And I've always used
revolvers smith and wanting revolvers, but I wanted to go
to a semi and I'm really telling me to get
like an MP nine, So I bought me an MP
nine and I wanted to get an experts take on
(25:30):
the reliability and how well of a firearm it is.
And you're the resident expert in my book.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Okay, I'll tell you my story about the Smith and
West m m P pistol in nine milimeters. When my
son and his wife, my daughter in law, and my
wife all went to Thunder Ranch to take their training,
I bought three Smith and Wesson m MP pistols nine
(25:55):
milimeters and gave them to them for them to take
their class. They all still have them, they all still
depend upon them. I personally think the Smith and westn
MP line and now they've got the MP two point
zero is one of the finest systems out there for
personal protection as well as just for having fun at
(26:16):
the range. They're really good. I am a huge fan
of the M and P line. I think you did
really well.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
I appreciate it all. I said. It's been a combat
that made it a little easier if I know what
I'm doing with it. But I've also taken classes, of course,
But I said, I've being a revolver a person all
my life. Still y'all old I am, But I figured
i'd try to update myself to a modern that was
a light weight rightweight pistol. And I want to get
your take on.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I thank you very much, so, yeah, you did well.
Carry on, get go get a little more training, and
I know you've been a combat value are combat vet?
Recurrent training is a good thing. I learn a little
bit more about it, especially when it comes to civilian use.
There's an awful lot of miss out there about and look,
I appreciate to call a lot of myths about use
of guns and self defense. A lot of the stuff
(27:03):
we think we know, unfortunately we don't know where we'd
learned it. And where we learned it turns out to
be from movies and from TV. Bad place to get
your information about everything, right, but certainly about the use
of guns. I mean case in point. We have a
(27:23):
show we've had on for many, many years and we
take regular people and put them in a self defense situation.
It's called first Person Defender. Can't tell you how many
times who had a scenario go down and the good
guy we put into the situation where they don't really
have much of any training, and they shoot the bad guy,
(27:44):
stop the attack, and then they walk over to where
the bad guy is to kick the gun away that's
laying on the ground, and if you ask why they
did it, they end up with a blank look in
their face. They don't know. I mean I know because
(28:06):
they saw it done at a cop movie or a
cop TV show. Kick the gun away. Let's review what
is a pistol? What is a gun? It's a force
projection system. Why do we use it instead of a
club or a hammer or a knife because it allows
us to have distance from our attacker. We don't have
to get close to them where they could hurt us.
(28:29):
So you have this device, the system that lets you
maintain a safer distance, and you have used it, and
now you're going to give up the space. You're going
to give up the distance by walking up to this
person who may or may not be totally incapacitated. No,
(28:49):
my point on all this is we often don't even
know literally what we don't know. We don't know where
this stuff in our head came from. And unless we
go get some real training. And I'm not talking about
like how to hit a target. I'm talking about how
to defend yourself from a self defense situation, how to
move through a house, how to shoot around corners. Unless
(29:11):
we go get real training like that. There's no way
to flush that garbage out of our heads, and you've
got to get rid of the stuff that's in there
before you can put in the good stuff. And for me,
that's honestly what training is all about. Be right back
with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (31:45):
You know, I talk about hardware a lot. We like
the new guns and cool guns. There's a lot of
really good guns out there now, and it doesn't really matter.
I mean, look, we all have our brands that we like.
Some people are Smith and Western people, some like SIGs, Springfield, Ruger.
(32:06):
It doesn't matter. They all make good stuff and I
like those brands and others I like the fns and
the hk's and it just goes on and on. And
I think the more you learn about different brands and
the more you try different things, you learn something in
the process. But I wanted to get this in. I
(32:26):
don't want you to think that you have to have
the latest, greatest, our last callers that he Boughty used,
Smith and Wesson, M and P. That they could be
twenty years old and be just as good as it
was when you bought it. You can buy yourself a
Browning High Power that's fifty years old and it's just
as good as it was when they made it. Are
(32:49):
their advantages to the new guns? Yeah, sure they're better
to some extent, But does that mean that the older
guns are inadequate? No, not at all, Not at all.
And if you're on a limited budget, and pretty much
all of us are on a limited budget, just at
different places, don't be afraid to buy a used gun.
(33:14):
Just make sure it works, spend your money on training.
If you say, okay, I got I'm gonna put five
hundred bucks into this and that's all I got, go
buy you a two hundred or two hundred and fifty
dollars pistol and then go spend two hundred and fifty
bucks on AMMO and on training as opposed to buying
(33:36):
a five hundred dollars gun. And you got no money
for AMMO other than maybe a box of AMMO, and
no money for training. You need to be sending rounds
down range. Most I know some people who shoot all
the time, but that's very few of us. Most of
us don't shoot enough, and Lord knows, most of us
(33:57):
don't practice our dry practic just enough. I'm trying to
get away from calling it dry fire because it's more
than that. I think you would benefit, but I know
you would. I know that all of us would by
practicing your draw in your presentation in dry practice. When
(34:20):
I think of dry firing, I think of just raising
the pistol up and snapping the trigger and working on
your side alignment and all that. And that's worthwhile. That's
a little bit, and you're going to get something out
of it. But I think you get more out of
it if you have your gun in a holster the
way you're going to carry it and nice and smooth.
They'd have to be super slow, but it shouldn't be
super fast. Just work on the movement clearing, the cover
(34:42):
garment drawing. If you don't know what all these are,
they go take a class, or at the very least,
just go online. There's a lot of places you can
learn this stuff online. Be a little bit circumspect, a
little bit careful about using your sources online. There are
some really good ones, and then there's some guys who
(35:03):
are goofballs, and they're just they're doing it for the clicks,
they're doing it for the traffic, they're doing it for
the monetization. Be careful, She's carefully Okay, So anyway, just
just saying just if you would consider making dry practice
(35:24):
a part of your routine. I get a good practice
draw every day when I take my gun off. I
learned this from Illan new really good instructor at gun site.
She she knows your stuff. She said, look at the
end of the day, take your gun Off're just like,
gets down there and take it off casually. Put your
(35:46):
gun away, he says, make a draw. Bring the gun
out pointed at something, preferably something that would catch a bullet.
Booksalves are good, refrigerated are good. Keep your finger off
the trigger. It doesn't have to be fast, but it's
a chance. You got to take the gun off every day.
(36:06):
It's a chance for you to get in a practice draw.
And I've had people say, oh wow, you do that
with a loaded gun. My friend, if you can't pull
a loaded gun out of a holster and pointed at
something safe without pull of the trigger, we need to
have a conversation. If you're afraid of pulling a gun,
(36:28):
loaded gun out of your holster and pointing it at
a bookshelf, then we really need to get you to
some training. And you really need to send a thousand
rounds down range carefully, maybe under a washful eye of instructor,
but that should be nothing burger. That shouldn't bother you
in the slightest. In the process of doing that, you
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handle your gun, you have made a draw, you have
presented the sights on target, and you also a practice
and the fact that when you draw your gun, you
don't have to pull the trigger. In fact, you shouldn't
be putting your finger on the trigger unless you're ready
to fire. Okay, it's a chance for you to get
training that you need. Putting that good stuff in your head,
(37:18):
it also gets you back into thinking, okay, I'm carrying
a gun. What's it all about? What am I gonna do?
You start thinking about the scenarios. What am I going
to do if? What if somebody cuts me off in traffic,
stops me and comes up to my car with a crowbar? Well,
I don't know what are you going to do? You
(37:40):
got your gun. But if he's beating on the hood
of your car, is that a threat to you? No,
it's not. If it's beating on your tire, are they
even the door of your car? Is that a threat
to you? No? I mean it's an insurance claim. But
(38:01):
if he and by the way, keep your window rolled up,
for Heaven's sake, don't roll it down so you can
talk to him. Shields up, keep your window rolled up,
drive off if you can. But if he smashes out
your window, shoot that sob light him up like a
Christmas tree and then call nine one one. But you
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need to have thought this stuff through. What am I
going to do if this happens? Because if you thought
it through, it played it out in your head fifty
times or a hundred times. When you see it, it's
like been here before, I know what to do here.
I'm not really concerned I got all this figured out.
Only if he smashes out the window and tries to
reach in, am I gonna shoo him? Otherwise he's just
(38:48):
messing up my car, you know, and money will take
care of that. Just that's where I look at it.
Give it some thought, all right? That been your eight
sixty six Talk Gun. We'll get you in here. If
(39:09):
we can't get you on live, we'll get you into
the after show in just a minute. Let's go talk
to Paul. He's in Palmer, Alaska. Hey, Paul, you're on
Gun Talk. How go we off you today?
Speaker 15 (39:18):
Hey?
Speaker 16 (39:19):
Tom, I just wanted to share something you were talking about,
satellite devices, rescue devices, and a few years ago, or
actually twenty twelve, I had a SPOT emergency locator A
long story short as on the Talkita River on a
caribou hunt one hundred year front. Event happened. We got
washed out, we lost one plane and in the water
(39:42):
with my spot pushing the button and nothing happened. And
fortunately we had a satellite phone too that we were
using to communicate with our.
Speaker 15 (39:51):
CC to try and get rescued from the situation.
Speaker 16 (39:55):
But what I didn't do is I didn't read the
fine print and that is on the earlier spot models
they took that they weren't rechargeable.
Speaker 15 (40:02):
You put a battery in them.
Speaker 16 (40:03):
And I had put lithium batteries and says right on
the directions, do not.
Speaker 15 (40:08):
Use lithium batteries with this device. Really mentioned to the details.
You know, I have a pilot.
Speaker 16 (40:12):
I should have been paying those paying attention to those details,
and that can get you in trouble.
Speaker 15 (40:17):
So learn how to use your in reach.
Speaker 16 (40:19):
First I got an in Reach and I was the
first time I took it out.
Speaker 15 (40:22):
Now I was having trouble with the whole, you know.
Speaker 16 (40:24):
Connecting and texting through my cell phone and like there again,
you know, pay attention to the details when you use
these devices.
Speaker 15 (40:30):
They could take a.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Good point and in Reach uh Dormott they have one
version that's a little tiny and you can only use
it through your phone. I don't like that one. I
don't want that one. I want one that if my
phone is not working, I want to be able to
use that unit self contained. So I get the larger
one that you can use by itself.
Speaker 15 (40:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 16 (40:50):
And the other lesson I learned is that I have
and I have the many I have the many too.
But but the only reason I have the Mini is
because I don't.
Speaker 15 (40:59):
Leave home without a satellite phone.
Speaker 16 (41:01):
I just figure as a pilot, if you can afford
an airplane and the gas and the maintenance, you can
afford a satellite phone. Because there's nothing better than being
able to talk to OURCC Frush Control Center when there's
an emergency. Anyway, I just want to want to share
that story with you.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh good, good infot Sometimes I got to tell you
about what happened to me and Devil's Canyon on the
Takiaiton River when we sunk a boat was never found
and I had to get lifted out by a helicopter
out of the rapids. That was a fun day.
Speaker 16 (41:31):
One other thing too, I've heard you talk about Alaska
from time to time.
Speaker 15 (41:35):
One of these days, give.
Speaker 16 (41:36):
Us a little five minute tell us about how you
came to Alaska, what your experiences were up here, I will.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I was actually the editor of Alaska Magazine for five years,
living in Anchorage.
Speaker 15 (41:47):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 16 (41:48):
Also that three thirty eight o six I used to
own one myself, and I've been thinking about You've kind
of inspired me. Maybe I should build another one, But
I keep us posted on that Alchine, I will do that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's a fun gun. And you know, the three thirty
eight out six is easy to load. For used to
be you could find you factory AMMO, which you can't
for it anymore. So it's pretty much a reloader's deal.
And look, the reality is, I admit it. Everything you
can do with that you can do with a thirty
out six with a good two hundred green bullet. It'll
work just fine. I just like the weird stuff. It's
(42:22):
a little bit different, so I appreciate that. And look,
thanks for passing along that information about the spot and learning,
making sure you know how to run this stuff. This
is life saving equipment. This is really important stuff. You
need to know how to run it. You need to
know how to run it in bad conditions like when
you're getting flushed down a river, or you're up to
your waist in water, or you've broken an arm or
(42:46):
whatever your hypothermic. Can you run your gear, practice with it,
know how to do it, do it over and over again.
This is not like something you can just turn it
on and flip it on. It's more involved than that.
So just just a thought, appreciate that, Hey give me
a call right now if you'd like to be a
part of the aftershow. We've got a couple of people
lined up, or we got room for you as well. Also,
Jim's going to have his range report on a gun
(43:09):
that sho's really really fast. I want to hear all
about that, so we'll be doing that. In the meantime,
go out and do a little bit of shooting. Commit
to get in some training practice. You're dry practice, not
just dry fire, but be careful, okay, and for the
most part, don't do this with loaded guns. I mean,
I do stuff, but some of the things I do
(43:30):
I would tell you not to do because you don't
want to be me. Trust me.
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