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-- Learning to clean a gun can mean springs flying across the room.
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-- Develop a protective mindset in order to react instantly to an attack.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Show after showtime with Jim and Michelle, how old my friends? Hey, Hey, hey, hey,
fun show and Michelle, thank you for all the tips there,
especially the guy who was trying to figure out how
to take down in nineteen eleven. It seems hard at first,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes it does, and yes brings go flying.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, there is a way that you can send parts
across the room.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes there are, not just with the nineteen eleven though.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Well that's true. But that barrel bushy can be its
own projectile, Yes it can. Okay, it's under the bed
over there somewhere maybe okay.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, but you know, getting familiar with it with a
you know, an educated salesperson or a gunsmith if they're
on hand is really key because even though all nineteen
elevens are basically the same.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
They're not. They're not. I mean when you have may
have a different type of bushing, it may have this
or that, and you know, especially if you buy it
from the store, I would think it's reasonable to have
them show you how to do it, right.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's all part of the education.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
And the first thing they usually show you is how
to buy bulk springs because you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Need don't they have like a Boo boo kit of
the little parts that you're gonna lose Anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm sure they should. You know, they have it for
the AR, right exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I think I know they got it for the Ar's like, Okay,
here are the parts you're gonna lose. It's easier to
buy the Boo Boo kit. Had to find that teeny
tiny little spring in the shad carpet.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
And you're going to need it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Great, But now the bushing wrench changes everything. It's amazing
little tool.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
It is, and you can get a metal or plastic
like it really is. It's like like between five and
ten bucks a bushy wrench.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, exactly, they're not much and probably if you go
to any kind of gun shows here on the Fall,
you'll find it for next to nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
There. Oh, that's a good point. Somebody's got like, you know,
a dozen of them in a box on the table there.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, you can have that for a buck, right, right,
So all more reason to get out and look at
other things, right.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I am hearing more and more people expressing interest in
metal guns.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And I don't know if it's just my bias that
they tell me about it because I know I'm interested
in it, or if it's actually happening.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Today was kind of fascinating with all the people calling
with the old school Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah you know, and now you gotta have love that
we had a guy doing live fire at the range.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I didn't hear that. It sounded like some mosquitoes being swashed.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But I can on a low velocity thirty eight special.
There's just nothing going.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
On there, right, So let me ask a question.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, we're in the suppressor movement and we have
this no tax coming up in January, why do we
still have some hesitancy with removing Well.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, let me go back.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Why aren't more ranges or people saying yeah, we all
need to go to suppressors and get rid of your
hearing aids the musk.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Now, are you saying that rangers should require suppressors.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, I had.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
We had a caller call in and it was that
was the question that he was like, I'd love to
hear you guys' take on it, because you know, we
are in a suppressor movement, and yet we need to
wear ear muffs when we go to the range because
not everybody's using them.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, and the other part of it is, not all
suppressors are hearing safe, correct, So even if you've got
a can, it doesn't mean you can't wear hearing protections.
The other part of it is, look, if you've got
a really nice like classic rifle, I'm not going to
thread the barrel on that thing, right, just just not
(04:25):
so it will be a mix. It will be two
generations of people before everybody's using cans, and then it'll
be like you'll have to have a classic gun day
at the range when you can shoot your guns that
don't have suppressors.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
And time's been shooting for years, so you know what
he's talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
She all knows these old tears.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Oh good grief.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh yeah, what, Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I remember them telling me that the old old days,
like the Bill Jordan days, So we're talking sixty years ago,
seven years ago, the bullseye shooters they would take two empty,
like thirty eight cases and shove them in their ears
and that was their hearing protection. Stop it, I am serious.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hopefully they were cooled down, and.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I would hope you put like the rim part of them,
because otherwise you're going to cut a hole in your
head with that sharp edd.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's something nowI it seems like maybe the breast would
capture some extra sound.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I would think it would make it worse, yes, tympanically.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yes, but imagine how well they could hear until they
lost their.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Herring or they thought they could well.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
True. I always loved the story of the old guy
who said, you know, it's just as I got older,
I just got better and better at stalking through the
woods where I mean I was just totally silent, he says,
then I got hearing.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Aids So true.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I thought I was rolling my feet and being quiet.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Right, yeah, I was crunching along and just didn't know it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Just didn't think, well, yeah, there's no animals there anymore
back in the old days.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now, I don't see anything.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You remember, I don't. Maybe they still make them. But
do you remember the whistles that you could buy people
would put on their cars.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Yeah, the high frequency.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, yes, is that still a thing?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, here's the question. And they were like higher than
we could hear, right, right, So how do we know
if they actually made a sound at all?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, if a tree falls, yes, the man is still wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yes, oh lord, I guess if the deer doesn't run
out in front of you believe it works right?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Well, yeah, it's like you're talking about the deer whistles,
like the old uh ad they had for this thing.
If you have flies around your house, this is guaranteed
to kill flies. You know, triple your money back if
this doesn't work. I bought it and he would send
them two blocks of wood. He said, put fly between
these and then slap them together. I am serious. Yes,
(07:17):
guarantee tripple your money back if this doesn't work, federal.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I meanwater kind of does.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Well. Yeah, but you know this is before the Nigerian
prince was trying to get your money with an email, right,
So I don't know why that made me think of
somebody old style stuff. Remember the fly catch your paper
that was in a roll and you'd put it down,
(07:46):
it would hang like from the ceiling or something, and
flies would stick to it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's great. In the barn.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
It is flypaper.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, fly paper. It's ultra I mean, don't get
your hair or anything more. But yeah, it works great.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It's still a long times and stuff seen one of those.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Really, Oh you've got livestock in a barn or anything?
Oh my goodness. Absolutely, yep.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
In other ways to catch your dinner. I mean, come on, hey,
takes a lot of flies.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Man, Venus fly traps are pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Cool feed me, Seymour. Yeah yeah, oh man. So we
got this thing in Minnesota, and the conversation goes the
same way every time. The people who want to ban
guns and are predisposed to not want to actually use
(08:43):
guns to save people. They just go. It's like they're
going home to their home base every time. You know, guns, guns, guns,
We got to do something bout guns.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Well, I think we need to listen to our lead
organized you know, political leaders more time.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
You know, Einstein's like this.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
The reality is is that we have these assault rifles.
They can reel off thirty clips in conjunction with a
magazine before the person even needs to reload.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, got clips and a magazine.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Right, this is Minneapolis mayor Jacob Fry. They could reel
off thirty clips in a magazine.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
It's a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Doesn't he know that we call those clipp asines. Yeah,
just the guy's gonna make policy for us. He doesn't
even know what they are, doesn't know what he's talking
about banning.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Which makes him an expert.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, you know, and unfortunately they just you know. The
problem I think it really drives me crazy is that
nobody in the media will say that's just stupid. Do
you know what you just said?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Nobody because corrected them.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
They figure most of their base isn't going to know either, So.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
No, and they like the agenda. Oh, it's like we
got to do something gun. It's gotta do something my gun.
The problem, partly, and I'm gonna get into something here,
is that the media, the way they cover everything, is
that the only time that most people are the general public,
cares about guns, it's much to report on crime. So
(10:10):
for the media and for those people, guns equal crime
because that's all they ever hear. They never hear about
people using guns and self defense because the media doesn't
report on So that takes me to another subject. Here
the factor. If hey, let's take a quick break, we
come back. I got something I want to talk to
you about Wikipedia and AI and guns.
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Speaker 4 (11:10):
Okay, So here's my thought. Public policy is based on
public perception, what the public thinks. And I was watching
a report on AI and where does AI get its information? Well,
it just scrubs the Internet. It goes and looks at
everything is out there, and that's you know, if you're
asked about guns, it's going to give you generally negative things.
(11:31):
About guns because that's what it finds. And then I
was reading about there are armies of activists who work
on altering Wikipedia, because you know, it's the way it
works is anybody can change things and put stories up
on Wikipedia, and so they go in and they make
sure that you know, it's like in this case, they
(11:52):
were talking about stories about Israel or that type of thing.
But they also do it with guns, so that the
reports on Wikipedia, they will say, well, you know, the
assault weapons ban under Bill Clinton will reduced crime significantly,
and just sits there as though it's fact. So here's
my thought, because people say, well, what's the big deal?
(12:13):
Who cares? The big deal? Is that when somebody does
an AI report on something, that's what they're going to
get because these people have seated Wikipedia, which becomes the
de facto encyclopedia for everything, and they said, well I
found it. They're in Wikipedia, it's got to be true. Well, no,
it's actually not. It's a propaganda tool. So why don't
(12:35):
we on the gun side have our own army of people?
You know, I mean, I know the reason is because
our people are kind of the leave us alone. We
don't want to tell everybody how to live their lives.
And the other side is we do want to tell
everybody how to live their lives, then they will, yes, exactly.
So if you could find a donor, because you've got
(12:57):
to need to fund this in terms of long term effect,
I think it'd be worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's fascinating idea.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You change the landscape, you change what people with the
air quotes know to be true, to reflect reality, because
right now what they know to be true is actually not.
It's false, but it's been fed to them so often,
so widely, that they think it is.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Well, why do you think it is that we don't
tend to correct as much as we should.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Maybe it appears to be overwhelming. You say, how can
I possibly get the media to correct a story when
even when they know what they're saying is not true,
they won't correct it. And so we've certainly run into that.
We say, you know, you know that's not true. Here's
the facts. They go, oh, great, thanks for pointing that out,
And the next time they do the exact same thing.
(13:53):
And now in journalism school they're being taught objectivity is
an old fashioned concept, accept and we don't do that anymore.
We use our platform to enhance humanity and to make
things better. So basically, start off with where you want
the story to go and then find the quotes to
(14:14):
support it. So that's what's taught in journalism school now.
So they think, okay, what can we do? Well, that's
how gun talk came about. It was an end run
around the media. Well, Wikipedia is now the source for
so many things, you know. I mean back to your question,
why is that? I think we as conservatives don't want
(14:38):
people to tell us what to do, and so we
feel like we don't we're not going to tell other
people what to do and how to live their lives.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I wonder if it is that or the hesitancy on
our behalf to not blast our name and our thoughts
out there and just protect ourselves that way, you know,
stay quiet rather than making a big rucous Maybe.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But you know there are enough people now when you
go on X or Facebook or other or Twitter who
will say things and just go, I don't care if
you this is what it is, and it's kind of
a I don't care what you think of me anymore
kind of a thing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
They're so strong on the opposing side and so menacing
with their information, even if it's false. We tend to
just kind of repel and let it sit there. And
you're right, we shouldn't let that happen.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You're right, well, I mean, and they will do it
up to the point of trying to get you killed.
You know, they will swatch you. And when you swatch somebody,
you're basically saying, I want the police to go kill
this person. You know, be calling in and say, you know,
you know, I'm over at such and such a place
and I've killed my wife and I'm going to kill
anybody who comes over here. And so the swat team
shows up, and they're hoping that it will at least
(15:52):
cause you problems or possibly even get you killed. So
that's what they will do to you if they know
who you are and they oppose you politically.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That stuff to excuse me, chill so.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, And it's a I mean, it's a real problem.
I was reading about two swattings this past week. They
do it regularly.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
In one of the things that I overheard, I don't
know what radio program or anything it was, but why
didn't anybody use the red flag law that exists in
the state.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
That's true that's true. Minnesota has red flag law, and
we know that this person was wack adoodle, and you
have to know that the family and friends knew what
a crazy person this boy man was.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Supposedly his mom worked at the school.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
M Well, yeah, I mean, and you got all those
could have stopped it, should have stopped it. But at
the same time, now we've got a situation where okay,
now you're legally prohibited from having the tool inside the
school that could have stopped him once it started.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I do remember, I mean Columbine. What's it been twenty
years ago that there was somebody that went in front
of the Congress and had made a big statement about
the fact that he is not going to speak out
against the NRA. They are not the person that caused
(17:18):
this distress.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
It was a father of one of the.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I think he lost a daughter if I remember right.
But it's kind of, you know, fascinating to go back
and the people who are in reality of what really
happened and who the vicious person was instead of the
vicious tool that was used.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You know, when they.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Speak out, it's like such a powerful thing, and we
don't pay enough attention to that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Well, they're going to shut them down.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
They're going to and that report doesn't have legs. Just
it's out there for half a day and it's gone.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
And it's always it's always ended with a gun, whether
he shot, whether he shoots himself, or he sees people's
guns arrive and surrenders. Right, basically, the only three options.
He's going to kill Why not the damn gun with you.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
He's going to kill people until someone with a gun
shows up. I mean that really is people go, what
do you mean? Well, think about it. You go back
and look at every single one of these They murdered
people or shot people until somebody with a gun showed
up and then the killing stopped.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean, I know this is the side that we're
on because of what we do and what we believe
in our rights, but there is such a problem and
it just makes my stomach turn every time one of
these reports comes on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It just just.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So trendous. I mean, I don't it's hard for us
to understand how damaged you must be to want to
kill little children.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Right, what's the first thing you say when you get
your concealed carry license and you go through those classes
and they talk about all the mental well depending on
your class I suppose, but the class that I took it,
you know, talking about the mental issue that you're going
to have afterwards, should.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You ever have to pull that trigger.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Like god, I'm a good shooting right, like you know
that is nerve wreaking enough to like, Okay, yes, I
can do this.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The subconscious mind, the power of the subconscious mind. I
just I can't. I don't know. I don't get the
other side of it. It's very it hurts.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's mental illness. And it's clearest if you are willing
to murder children, I mean, most innocent people on the planet,
and you want to do that to make yourself famous
as you die, as you commit suicide, to go out
in a blaze of glories, so people remember your name.
(19:52):
And by the way, you notice, I will never say
this person's name.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, i'd say. The first thing that we always say
is I hope I never have to use it. And
that is just a true gut feeling.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, I hope I never have to, but I hope
I have it, and I will most certainly use it.
I have worked my way through this so many times
and thought, okay, I am ready to hit the go button.
It's like, yeah, you're just not going to murder people
in my presence.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There's a lot of subconscious work that goes into that mindset.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yes, you have to work on yourself continuously to say, Okay,
if this happens, it's not like, see what should I
do or anything else. No, I'm hitting the go button.
I'm going full scale, savage, violent beast, and i am
going to kill this person. I'm going to do whatever
it takes to make the killing stop. And that's I mean, violent, instant,
(20:51):
savage action stops these things.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Could you imagine you're talking about living with it at
the aftermath, you know, can you imagine having a gun
and not having the uh what's about to actually use
it in a situation like that?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
That would haunt you the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh, there are reports and it it never leaves people.
They are.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's a torment.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
It's like the they are guilty the rest of their
lives and it never goes away.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you freeze, you never know. I mean,
that is such an adrenaline rush. And to remember exactly
what went down and how many people you saw and
how many shots that you fired and anything else are
even if you didn't participate, how many shots you heard
go up?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
There's so much to that, and I don't know. These
are very emotional to me.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
I just.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Well it is, and yet it's why you go do
force on force train. Once you do that, you get
to where you go, Okay, that's the stimulus, and this
is the response when that happens, I will do this,
and then you go and then if that other thing happens,
then I'll do this. If you've been do it a
few times, you're really prime in. It's white police officers
(22:04):
and military soldiers. That's why they are able to do
what they do because they basically have been programmed that way.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, because it's not a natural see, yeah, you're not
born that way. Yeah right, no, no.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
No, but but you got and you have to decide, Okay,
am I going to be that person? And if you are,
how far will I go to make sure that I
am prepared mentally to save people?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, because there's a lot to that aftermath.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, you know, I hear people say that, and I'm
not sure it's always true, because I've talked to a
number of people who have absolutely no guilt and no
worries about it after they've shot somebody.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Oh, but there's still sounds that they have to come back,
and you know what I mean, there still has to
be some flashes of stuff that, yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
But honestly, if I put something like that in the ground,
I'm going to sleep really well.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Right you stop the evil?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, stop the evil. I saved you know, lives and
whatever comes after that we'll do with that. But as
far as twimmitting myself over, no, not going to happen
because I have already inoculated my brain against that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So here's the important part, right, Making sure that you
let everybody know every day exactly where you.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Are and how you feel. Yeah, oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And and helping spread our cause is even more important
in getting moms involved and them bringing children into the fold.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know, with the education. This doesn't have to necessarily
be scary. But you know, what are we going to do?
What's our plan?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
What's the plan if something like that happens? And you
need to have your code word for your family, I mean,
just pick one geronimo, something that you don't use all
the time. Say look, when I say that, let's go,
it's not like, well, why are we leaving? What do
you mean what are you talking about? No, no, no, right,
this is now not a conversation. These are like military orders. Ye,
you will do exactly what I say instantly. The menment
(24:05):
I tell you if I say, geronimo, get up, follow me,
you know, let's go.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And that has to be practiced, by the way, that's
not just something that that does not just happen.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You're right, And they have to remind people because they
will forget it, you know. No, no, no, it's just
you know, when I say this, I mean this, it's
like if I say, geronimo, pull over right now, not
like if the deck stop, pull off the road right now?
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
And make sure your phrase is and something hey, how
you doing right?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's not something ordinary, yeah, yeah, something we would not
use in a regular conversation.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Right, I mean it could be chrysanthemums, right something, yeah, exactly.
All right. Well, I mean it's kind of part of
the whole process, and I hate that we have to
talk about it. But if we are going to be
the sheep dogs, if we're going to be the ones
who try to take care of other people, and I
like to think of our all of us as being
the good people who are helpful. Then you have to
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take these steps. You got to make a commitment.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Oh, you have got to live to live with yourself.
There's you gotta survive, man.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, there you go. All right, all right, guys, well
you have a great week. You know, go out and
find goofy sights to put on your lever action rifles. Sweet,
there was I had never seen that thing before.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
It was cool. Yeah, it's like a double ring rear
sight thing. I don't know who came up with that,
but that's brilliant.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Sweet.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
All right, have a great week, guys, I'd be good.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the gun Talk After show
podcast where we saved all the best things.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now, if there's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Show after showtime with Jim and Michelle, how old my friends? Hey, Hey, hey, hey,
fun show and Michelle, thank you for all the tips there,
especially the guy who was trying to figure out how
to take down in nineteen eleven. It seems hard at first,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes it does, and yes brings go flying.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, there is a way that you can send parts
across the room.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes there are, not just with the nineteen eleven though.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Well that's true. But that barrel bushy can be its
own projectile, Yes it can. Okay, it's under the bed
over there somewhere maybe okay.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, but you know, getting familiar with it with a
you know, an educated salesperson or a gunsmith if they're
on hand is really key because even though all nineteen
elevens are basically the same.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
They're not. They're not. I mean when you have may
have a different type of bushing, it may have this
or that, and you know, especially if you buy it
from the store, I would think it's reasonable to have
them show you how to do it, right.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
That's all part of the education.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
And the first thing they usually show you is how
to buy bulk springs because you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Need don't they have like a Boo boo kit of
the little parts that you're gonna lose Anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm sure they should. You know, they have it for
the AR, right exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I think I know they got it for the Ar's like, Okay,
here are the parts you're gonna lose. It's easier to
buy the Boo Boo kit. Had to find that teeny
tiny little spring in the shad carpet.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
And you're going to need it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Great, But now the bushing wrench changes everything. It's amazing
little tool.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
It is, and you can get a metal or plastic
like it really is. It's like like between five and
ten bucks a bushy wrench.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, exactly, they're not much and probably if you go
to any kind of gun shows here on the Fall,
you'll find it for next to nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
There. Oh, that's a good point. Somebody's got like, you know,
a dozen of them in a box on the table there.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, you can have that for a buck, right, right,
So all more reason to get out and look at
other things, right.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I am hearing more and more people expressing interest in
metal guns.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And I don't know if it's just my bias that
they tell me about it because I know I'm interested
in it, or if it's actually happening.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Today was kind of fascinating with all the people calling
with the old school Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah you know, and now you gotta have love that
we had a guy doing live fire at the range.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I didn't hear that. It sounded like some mosquitoes being swashed.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But I can on a low velocity thirty eight special.
There's just nothing going.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
On there, right, So let me ask a question.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You know, we're in the suppressor movement and we have
this no tax coming up in January, why do we
still have some hesitancy with removing Well.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, let me go back.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Why aren't more ranges or people saying yeah, we all
need to go to suppressors and get rid of your
hearing aids the musk.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Now, are you saying that rangers should require suppressors.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, I had.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
We had a caller call in and it was that
was the question that he was like, I'd love to
hear you guys' take on it, because you know, we
are in a suppressor movement, and yet we need to
wear ear muffs when we go to the range because
not everybody's using them.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, and the other part of it is, not all
suppressors are hearing safe, correct, So even if you've got
a can, it doesn't mean you can't wear hearing protections.
The other part of it is, look, if you've got
a really nice like classic rifle, I'm not going to
thread the barrel on that thing, right, just just not
(04:25):
so it will be a mix. It will be two
generations of people before everybody's using cans, and then it'll
be like you'll have to have a classic gun day
at the range when you can shoot your guns that
don't have suppressors.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
And time's been shooting for years, so you know what
he's talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
She all knows these old tears.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Oh good grief.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Oh yeah, what, Yes.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I remember them telling me that the old old days,
like the Bill Jordan days, So we're talking sixty years ago,
seven years ago, the bullseye shooters they would take two empty,
like thirty eight cases and shove them in their ears
and that was their hearing protection. Stop it, I am serious.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hopefully they were cooled down, and.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I would hope you put like the rim part of them,
because otherwise you're going to cut a hole in your
head with that sharp edd.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's something nowI it seems like maybe the breast would
capture some extra sound.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
I would think it would make it worse, yes, tympanically.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yes, but imagine how well they could hear until they
lost their.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Herring or they thought they could well.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
True. I always loved the story of the old guy
who said, you know, it's just as I got older,
I just got better and better at stalking through the
woods where I mean I was just totally silent, he says,
then I got hearing.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Aids So true.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I thought I was rolling my feet and being quiet.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Right, yeah, I was crunching along and just didn't know it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Just didn't think, well, yeah, there's no animals there anymore
back in the old days.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now, I don't see anything.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
You remember, I don't. Maybe they still make them. But
do you remember the whistles that you could buy people
would put on their cars.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Yeah, the high frequency.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, yes, is that still a thing?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, here's the question. And they were like higher than
we could hear, right, right, So how do we know
if they actually made a sound at all?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, if a tree falls, yes, the man is still wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yes, oh lord, I guess if the deer doesn't run
out in front of you believe it works right?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Well, yeah, it's like you're talking about the deer whistles,
like the old uh ad they had for this thing.
If you have flies around your house, this is guaranteed
to kill flies. You know, triple your money back if
this doesn't work. I bought it and he would send
them two blocks of wood. He said, put fly between
these and then slap them together. I am serious. Yes,
(07:17):
guarantee tripple your money back if this doesn't work, federal.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I meanwater kind of does.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Well. Yeah, but you know this is before the Nigerian
prince was trying to get your money with an email, right,
So I don't know why that made me think of
somebody old style stuff. Remember the fly catch your paper
that was in a roll and you'd put it down,
(07:46):
it would hang like from the ceiling or something, and
flies would stick to it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's great. In the barn.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
It is flypaper.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, yeah, fly paper. It's ultra I mean, don't get
your hair or anything more. But yeah, it works great.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It's still a long times and stuff seen one of those.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Really, Oh you've got livestock in a barn or anything?
Oh my goodness. Absolutely, yep.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
In other ways to catch your dinner. I mean, come on, hey,
takes a lot of flies.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Man, Venus fly traps are pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Cool feed me, Seymour. Yeah yeah, oh man. So we
got this thing in Minnesota, and the conversation goes the
same way every time. The people who want to ban
guns and are predisposed to not want to actually use
(08:43):
guns to save people. They just go. It's like they're
going home to their home base every time. You know, guns, guns, guns,
We got to do something bout guns.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Well, I think we need to listen to our lead
organized you know, political leaders more time.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
You know, Einstein's like this.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
The reality is is that we have these assault rifles.
They can reel off thirty clips in conjunction with a
magazine before the person even needs to reload.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, got clips and a magazine.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Right, this is Minneapolis mayor Jacob Fry. They could reel
off thirty clips in a magazine.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
It's a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Doesn't he know that we call those clipp asines. Yeah,
just the guy's gonna make policy for us. He doesn't
even know what they are, doesn't know what he's talking
about banning.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Which makes him an expert.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, you know, and unfortunately they just you know. The
problem I think it really drives me crazy is that
nobody in the media will say that's just stupid. Do
you know what you just said?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Nobody because corrected them.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
They figure most of their base isn't going to know either, So.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
No, and they like the agenda. Oh, it's like we
got to do something gun. It's gotta do something my gun.
The problem, partly, and I'm gonna get into something here,
is that the media, the way they cover everything, is
that the only time that most people are the general public,
cares about guns, it's much to report on crime. So
(10:10):
for the media and for those people, guns equal crime
because that's all they ever hear. They never hear about
people using guns and self defense because the media doesn't
report on So that takes me to another subject. Here
the factor. If hey, let's take a quick break, we
come back. I got something I want to talk to
you about Wikipedia and AI and guns.
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Speaker 4 (11:10):
Okay, So here's my thought. Public policy is based on
public perception, what the public thinks. And I was watching
a report on AI and where does AI get its information? Well,
it just scrubs the Internet. It goes and looks at
everything is out there, and that's you know, if you're
asked about guns, it's going to give you generally negative things.
(11:31):
About guns because that's what it finds. And then I
was reading about there are armies of activists who work
on altering Wikipedia, because you know, it's the way it
works is anybody can change things and put stories up
on Wikipedia, and so they go in and they make
sure that you know, it's like in this case, they
(11:52):
were talking about stories about Israel or that type of thing.
But they also do it with guns, so that the
reports on Wikipedia, they will say, well, you know, the
assault weapons ban under Bill Clinton will reduced crime significantly,
and just sits there as though it's fact. So here's
my thought, because people say, well, what's the big deal?
(12:13):
Who cares? The big deal? Is that when somebody does
an AI report on something, that's what they're going to
get because these people have seated Wikipedia, which becomes the
de facto encyclopedia for everything, and they said, well I
found it. They're in Wikipedia, it's got to be true. Well, no,
it's actually not. It's a propaganda tool. So why don't
(12:35):
we on the gun side have our own army of people?
You know, I mean, I know the reason is because
our people are kind of the leave us alone. We
don't want to tell everybody how to live their lives.
And the other side is we do want to tell
everybody how to live their lives, then they will, yes, exactly.
So if you could find a donor, because you've got
(12:57):
to need to fund this in terms of long term effect,
I think it'd be worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's fascinating idea.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
You change the landscape, you change what people with the
air quotes know to be true, to reflect reality, because
right now what they know to be true is actually not.
It's false, but it's been fed to them so often,
so widely, that they think it is.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Well, why do you think it is that we don't
tend to correct as much as we should.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Maybe it appears to be overwhelming. You say, how can
I possibly get the media to correct a story when
even when they know what they're saying is not true,
they won't correct it. And so we've certainly run into that.
We say, you know, you know that's not true. Here's
the facts. They go, oh, great, thanks for pointing that out,
And the next time they do the exact same thing.
(13:53):
And now in journalism school they're being taught objectivity is
an old fashioned concept, accept and we don't do that anymore.
We use our platform to enhance humanity and to make
things better. So basically, start off with where you want
the story to go and then find the quotes to
(14:14):
support it. So that's what's taught in journalism school now.
So they think, okay, what can we do? Well, that's
how gun talk came about. It was an end run
around the media. Well, Wikipedia is now the source for
so many things, you know. I mean back to your question,
why is that? I think we as conservatives don't want
(14:38):
people to tell us what to do, and so we
feel like we don't we're not going to tell other
people what to do and how to live their lives.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I wonder if it is that or the hesitancy on
our behalf to not blast our name and our thoughts
out there and just protect ourselves that way, you know,
stay quiet rather than making a big rucous Maybe.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But you know there are enough people now when you
go on X or Facebook or other or Twitter who
will say things and just go, I don't care if
you this is what it is, and it's kind of
a I don't care what you think of me anymore
kind of a thing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
They're so strong on the opposing side and so menacing
with their information, even if it's false. We tend to
just kind of repel and let it sit there. And
you're right, we shouldn't let that happen.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You're right, well, I mean, and they will do it
up to the point of trying to get you killed.
You know, they will swatch you. And when you swatch somebody,
you're basically saying, I want the police to go kill
this person. You know, be calling in and say, you know,
you know, I'm over at such and such a place
and I've killed my wife and I'm going to kill
anybody who comes over here. And so the swat team
shows up, and they're hoping that it will at least
(15:52):
cause you problems or possibly even get you killed. So
that's what they will do to you if they know
who you are and they oppose you politically.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That stuff to excuse me, chill so.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, And it's a I mean, it's a real problem.
I was reading about two swattings this past week. They
do it regularly.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Well.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
In one of the things that I overheard, I don't
know what radio program or anything it was, but why
didn't anybody use the red flag law that exists in
the state.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
That's true that's true. Minnesota has red flag law, and
we know that this person was wack adoodle, and you
have to know that the family and friends knew what
a crazy person this boy man was.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Supposedly his mom worked at the school.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
M Well, yeah, I mean, and you got all those
could have stopped it, should have stopped it. But at
the same time, now we've got a situation where okay,
now you're legally prohibited from having the tool inside the
school that could have stopped him once it started.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I do remember, I mean Columbine. What's it been twenty
years ago that there was somebody that went in front
of the Congress and had made a big statement about
the fact that he is not going to speak out
against the NRA. They are not the person that caused
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this distress.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
It was a father of one of the.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I think he lost a daughter if I remember right.
But it's kind of, you know, fascinating to go back
and the people who are in reality of what really
happened and who the vicious person was instead of the
vicious tool that was used.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You know, when they.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Speak out, it's like such a powerful thing, and we
don't pay enough attention to that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Well, they're going to shut them down.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
They're going to and that report doesn't have legs. Just
it's out there for half a day and it's gone.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
And it's always it's always ended with a gun, whether
he shot, whether he shoots himself, or he sees people's
guns arrive and surrenders. Right, basically, the only three options.
He's going to kill Why not the damn gun with you.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
He's going to kill people until someone with a gun
shows up. I mean that really is people go, what
do you mean? Well, think about it. You go back
and look at every single one of these They murdered
people or shot people until somebody with a gun showed
up and then the killing stopped.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I mean, I know this is the side that we're
on because of what we do and what we believe
in our rights, but there is such a problem and
it just makes my stomach turn every time one of
these reports comes on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It just just.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
So trendous. I mean, I don't it's hard for us
to understand how damaged you must be to want to
kill little children.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Right, what's the first thing you say when you get
your concealed carry license and you go through those classes
and they talk about all the mental well depending on
your class I suppose, but the class that I took it,
you know, talking about the mental issue that you're going
to have afterwards, should.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You ever have to pull that trigger.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Like god, I'm a good shooting right, like you know
that is nerve wreaking enough to like, Okay, yes, I
can do this.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
The subconscious mind, the power of the subconscious mind. I
just I can't. I don't know. I don't get the
other side of it. It's very it hurts.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's mental illness. And it's clearest if you are willing
to murder children, I mean, most innocent people on the planet,
and you want to do that to make yourself famous
as you die, as you commit suicide, to go out
in a blaze of glories, so people remember your name.
(19:52):
And by the way, you notice, I will never say
this person's name.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, i'd say. The first thing that we always say
is I hope I never have to use it. And
that is just a true gut feeling.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, I hope I never have to, but I hope
I have it, and I will most certainly use it.
I have worked my way through this so many times
and thought, okay, I am ready to hit the go button.
It's like, yeah, you're just not going to murder people
in my presence.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There's a lot of subconscious work that goes into that mindset.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yes, you have to work on yourself continuously to say, Okay,
if this happens, it's not like, see what should I
do or anything else. No, I'm hitting the go button.
I'm going full scale, savage, violent beast, and i am
going to kill this person. I'm going to do whatever
it takes to make the killing stop. And that's I mean, violent, instant,
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savage action stops these things.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Could you imagine you're talking about living with it at
the aftermath, you know, can you imagine having a gun
and not having the uh what's about to actually use
it in a situation like that?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
That would haunt you the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh, there are reports and it it never leaves people.
They are.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's a torment.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
It's like the they are guilty the rest of their
lives and it never goes away.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you freeze, you never know. I mean,
that is such an adrenaline rush. And to remember exactly
what went down and how many people you saw and
how many shots that you fired and anything else are
even if you didn't participate, how many shots you heard
go up?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
There's so much to that, and I don't know. These
are very emotional to me.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
I just.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Well it is, and yet it's why you go do
force on force train. Once you do that, you get
to where you go, Okay, that's the stimulus, and this
is the response when that happens, I will do this,
and then you go and then if that other thing happens,
then I'll do this. If you've been do it a
few times, you're really prime in. It's white police officers
(22:04):
and military soldiers. That's why they are able to do
what they do because they basically have been programmed that way.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, because it's not a natural see, yeah, you're not
born that way. Yeah right, no, no.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
No, but but you got and you have to decide, Okay,
am I going to be that person? And if you are,
how far will I go to make sure that I
am prepared mentally to save people?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, because there's a lot to that aftermath.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, you know, I hear people say that, and I'm
not sure it's always true, because I've talked to a
number of people who have absolutely no guilt and no
worries about it after they've shot somebody.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Oh, but there's still sounds that they have to come back,
and you know what I mean, there still has to
be some flashes of stuff that, yeah, you do.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
But honestly, if I put something like that in the ground,
I'm going to sleep really well.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Right you stop the evil?
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, stop the evil. I saved you know, lives and
whatever comes after that we'll do with that. But as
far as twimmitting myself over, no, not going to happen
because I have already inoculated my brain against that.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So here's the important part, right, Making sure that you
let everybody know every day exactly where you.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Are and how you feel. Yeah, oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And and helping spread our cause is even more important
in getting moms involved and them bringing children into the fold.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know, with the education. This doesn't have to necessarily
be scary. But you know, what are we going to do?
What's our plan?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
What's the plan if something like that happens? And you
need to have your code word for your family, I mean,
just pick one geronimo, something that you don't use all
the time. Say look, when I say that, let's go,
it's not like, well, why are we leaving? What do
you mean what are you talking about? No, no, no, right,
this is now not a conversation. These are like military orders. Ye,
you will do exactly what I say instantly. The menment
(24:05):
I tell you if I say, geronimo, get up, follow me,
you know, let's go.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
And that has to be practiced, by the way, that's
not just something that that does not just happen.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You're right, And they have to remind people because they
will forget it, you know. No, no, no, it's just
you know, when I say this, I mean this, it's
like if I say, geronimo, pull over right now, not
like if the deck stop, pull off the road right now?
Kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
And make sure your phrase is and something hey, how
you doing right?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's not something ordinary, yeah, yeah, something we would not
use in a regular conversation.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Right, I mean it could be chrysanthemums, right something, yeah, exactly.
All right. Well, I mean it's kind of part of
the whole process, and I hate that we have to
talk about it. But if we are going to be
the sheep dogs, if we're going to be the ones
who try to take care of other people, and I
like to think of our all of us as being
the good people who are helpful. Then you have to
(25:01):
take these steps. You got to make a commitment.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Oh, you have got to live to live with yourself.
There's you gotta survive, man.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, there you go. All right, all right, guys, well
you have a great week. You know, go out and
find goofy sights to put on your lever action rifles. Sweet,
there was I had never seen that thing before.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
It was cool. Yeah, it's like a double ring rear
sight thing. I don't know who came up with that,
but that's brilliant.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Sweet.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
All right, have a great week, guys, I'd be good.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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