December 28, 2025 • 45 mins
In This Hour:
-- Many scope offer the option of dialing adjustments, but why should you prefer either MOA or MIL adjustments? Pete Schreier of Vortex explains.
-- What do you actually get from real training in long range shooting?
-- Sometimes a missed opportunity leads to a learning experience. Kevin Jarnagin tells the tale.
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-- Many scope offer the option of dialing adjustments, but why should you prefer either MOA or MIL adjustments? Pete Schreier of Vortex explains.
-- What do you actually get from real training in long range shooting?
-- Sometimes a missed opportunity leads to a learning experience. Kevin Jarnagin tells the tale.
Gun Talk 12.28.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hey, welcome to gun Talk Radio.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Gun Talk Radio on the air for thirty years, broadcasting
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of guns and freedom and fun to the US and beyond.
I'm your guest host this week, Ryan Gresham, and we've
got team gun Talk here. We got Chris Sarno, we
(00:51):
got Kevin Jarnigan, and we've been talking about, you know,
new products, what was cool from this year, what do
we expect for next year. One of the things that's
been really hot for several years now is long range shooting,
rifle shooting at further distances, which has really expanded the
techniques and the products that we're using. So we're not
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just using the old fixed for power anymore. People are
doing a lot with cartridges and rifles and optics, and
along those lines, we thought we'd bring in one of
the experts, one of the big name in optics, Vortex.
You guys know Vortex Optics, and we have Pete Schreier
from Vortex Edge, which is the Train division.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Welcome me, Welcome in, Pete.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, thanks for being here. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So, I mean, people know Vortex Optics. You guys do
pretty much everything in the world of optics. Rifle scopes,
spotting scopes, Buino's red dots. But the higher ends you
have a higher end line and you've really dug into
the higher magnification and all of the tech that goes
into trying to hit a target at some pretty far distances.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Talk about kind of what do we think what are
you seeing in.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Optics these days when we talk about a long range
rifle scope.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
So we do have some really high end stuff. You know,
our Razor line is great. You know, we released the
six to thirty six a couple of years ago.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
But I.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
We also have some really I wouldn't say lower tier,
but some of our budget friendly scopes like the Strike
Eagle five to twenty five that can be had for
like nine hundred bucks. So I think automatically people are
assuming I need to spend a lot of money on
a good precision scope for long range. And frankly, I
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think for most people that come to our classes, we
point them towards that that Strike Egle five to twenty
five has a lot of features that we really like.
We think the glass quality is really great, it is
locking turrets.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
It's just a really high quality scope for the price.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
And I think people when they get into long range shooting,
you are going to have to spend some money. So
if you can save a little bit on on the
optic and get a really good, high quality optic that
won't break your bank, it'll kind of save some money,
you see, can spend it in other areas. But you know,
I think amongst the staff that the Strike Eagles probably
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one of our favorites for the price.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It is kind of that sweet spot.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I mean, that's something that Vortex does a really good
job at is is giving people options as far as
price points along you know, up and down the price scale,
and your your middle I guess i'd call it your
middlely priced stuff. Middlely priced that's not really a phrase,
but strike eagle is that sweet spot five to twenty five. Now,
when they get into these scopes you'd mentioned locking turrets,
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they're going to see some things as far as radicals,
and then we're going to start getting into mills and ma.
How do you sort that out when people ask you,
how do I choose? And where do I start?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Well, so people can be real passionate about either Mill
or MA. My advice to people, if you don't have
any experience with any, I would start out with Mill. Okay,
I'm going to say something very un American. I think
it comes down to metric versus American system. And the
older I get, the more I realize metric kind of
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makes sense. Like I find myself using metric more and more.
You know, when you're when you're when I'm at home cooking,
I'm measuring everything in grams. It's a ten based system.
It just it tends to make more sense. I know
why people are drawn towards MLA. It's it's it's more.
It's a classic unit of measurement. And I think most
shooters can picture. Okay, one m away at one hundred
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yards is just a little over an inch and that
sticks in their brain. Okay, I can picture that you'll
never use that measurement again in shooting.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Like when I'm communicating.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
To someone if they pick them away, I'm not gonna say, hey, man,
I need you to come up eight inches. Okay, I'm
going to be communicating you in that unit of measurement.
So I know why people feel comfortable with MA starting
off and it's just that one little measurement. But I
think you got to do a little research, you got
to explore. I think a ten based system is just
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way simpler to use. I think Mills are going to
be way simpler to use in the long run. You know,
when I'm communicating to someone, I'm like, hey, I need
you to hold two tenths left of center. We're not
talking inches. So at the end of the day, I
do think Mills is going to be better. However, I mean,
if you've heavily invested in MA, if that's what you know,
(05:31):
I don't think that's necessarily wrong either. Sorry for the
non controversial take, but kind of waves starting out.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But the answer is what you said there.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You're like, hey, look, if you're starting from scratch, let
me just go ahead and tell you where you probably
want to be because it's going to be faster and
easier to get better using mills versus ma.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Yeah, But at the end of the day, if you
have twelve scopes with them away, you're comfortable with them away.
I don't. I don't think it's really necessary worth switching.
I mean, they both are a unit of measurement and
they both work the longer you go down in long range,
Like there's wind formulas let are designed specifically four mill shooters,
And if you don't like to do math, if you
don't like to convert MOA to mill, I would just
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start with mill, Okay. I just think it simplifies everything.
And people go down the MOA road just because one
inch is roughly one them away at one hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You know when we talk about long range shooting and
you guys teach these courses at Vortec's edge, how long
is long range shooting? How do you kind of describe
that to people like distance wise?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Right?
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Well, I mean, you know, it's interesting. We get some
people in class and to them, long range is two
hundred yards. I mean, so that's kind of fun pushing
people out to those distances. But you know, and in
the classes we teach, we usually try to get people
out to one thousand yards the first day, you know,
and most of them have never shop beyond two hundred yards.
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And then after the end of like a two or
three day course, you know, those two hundred yard targets
that we start people on, those are six inch plates,
Like they hit them without even thinking, like.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
It's kind of a gimme.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Like if you miss the two hundred you know, our
two hundred yard six inch plates, by the end of
day two, something's going on, like you either didn't return
your your turret to zero or you know, something really happened.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
So to us man a long range.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Thousand yards to start off with, okay, you know, and
if you don't really hit those targets right away, it
definitely gives you more confidence in more practical ranges anywhere
from two, five, six, seven. So yeah, I mean it,
It's interesting the farther you push, the more comfortable you
get at those those longer distances.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I know, with like, so some people are gonna say
a thousand yards on the first day of a class.
I mean a lot of these folks who've never shot
five hundred yards I mean, what is it. I know
it's doable, and at gun talk we're always talking about
training and it's amazing how people can improve, But how
do you get someone to a thousand yard shot in
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one day on the first day of a class.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Well, it honestly starts just making sure their setups are solid,
making sure, honestly, I think starting on paper is really important.
We can teach them how to call win, we can
teach them how to hold, but if they're not shooting consistently,
all that's kind of out of the window. So it
just starts in the morning with zero confirmation and just
shooting consistent groups. I mean, they don't have to be
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the smallest, tightest groups in the world, but they have
to be consistent. If we have errors, that stuff that's
going to show up down range. You know, did you
miss that target because of a bad wind or was
it a dirty shot? So I really think it starts
on paper with just honestly, with just basic marksmanship, just
shooting the gun consistently.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And the more you shoot under a you know, then
they're starting to be able to call their shots, like
you said, that was a dirty shot instead of just
I shot.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I don't know what happened? Did I hit it?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Now you get, you know, one hundred shots into a
class and they're going, yeah, I could feel, you know,
the shot broke when I was a little bit left
of the target or whatever that might be. And they're
actually starting to be able to diagnose what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, that's that's a good point. I don't expect every
shot to be perfect.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, people are going to make mistakes, but you know,
if you didn't hear what you were shooting at, it's
nice for that person to know why. If they know why,
or could they could see it happen in real time,
they can see their radical move off target, that's going
to allow the shooter to kind of diagnose Okay, hey
I did this, This happened, And it's a lot easier
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than for them to realize that, yeah, I just made
a bad shot. Okay, it wasn't the wind, I didn't
dial right. It was just it was just a bad shot.
And I think that's kind of where everything really should start.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, kJ, I mean you doing quite a bit of
NRL competitions and long range. I mean Pete's teaching these guys.
I mean, what are your thoughts and why is it
so popular these days?
Speaker 9 (10:10):
Well, the scopes are just the training aspect of it,
or the long range aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I mean, that's what you got to look at, is
why what's so popular?
Speaker 9 (10:19):
I mean, what's not the like about being able to
hit an eight inch circle at a thousand yards? I mean,
there's no better feeling when you can call that win.
You can really dial in your optics and you can
make those impacts.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I mean, there's no better feeling.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
And if you're into the long range hunting, if you
find yourself in the hunting field and if E was
ever asked yourself, why did I miss that deer? You
should go to training or you should pick up a
long range match because you'll learn so much about the
basic fundamentals of your shooting game that go overlooked in
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the field. Where they get really exposed is in a
training class or while you're under the watchful.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Beep of a timer.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah. I mean, and obviously you know we're not really
talking about long range hunting as far as like hitting
a deer at a thousand yards generally that's not I mean,
most people aren't trying to do that, and it's kind
of frowned upon. But I mean even being able to
make those shots, Pete, I mean that's going to help
you when that trophy buck walks out at four hundred yards, right.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, and absolutely it's a confidence thing.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
It is a confidence thing, you know, understanding the effects
that wind have on your shot, you know, just honestly.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Knowing how to dial.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
I mean, you know, day one, we'll get some people
that you know, they're aiming at the wrong target. Okay,
so they're supposed to be on four hundred and they're
actually on six hundred, so you know they have the
wrong dope dial. So just getting to know your equipment,
getting comfortable dialing that, figuring out what your ballistic are,
you know, all that stuff's for hunting. I mean, like
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I said that two hundred yard shots sort of a gimme,
and that's probably like your average shot out west. And
you know, if we get you dialed in at one thousand,
two hundred yards, four hundred yards, that stuff gets to
be real easy.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You kind of mentioned there's something else.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
If you do a couple of days of training at
a place like Vortec's Edge, it's not just the shooting part,
but it's like finding the right target. Okay, you know,
just those little things if you start realizing, okay, I
can zoom out on my magnification, find the target, zoom in,
or a technique of looking straight over the scope and
bringing the scope up so that can actually work out
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in the field if it's like, well, which elk is it?
Which deer is it? You're looking on a mountain side.
You know, these are things that you can actually work
on in a class.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, honestly, half my job as an instructor is getting
people off the highest magnification. You know, we make a
six x thirty six scope that is great, but it's
usefulness that thirty six power.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Is actually really limited.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
So I think some really good training is on day
three we tend to get people off the ground. We
have them shoot from barricades out to four or five
hundred yards, and the biggest thing is, okay, people see
the scope, see the target with their eyes, and then
they try to get down behind their scope, and just
trying to get them on target, especially when they're not
a shot timer, can be a little stressful. So if
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you teach people, hey, throllovers are really nice. Okay, we
want to be at a lower made vacation. We have
a lot wider field of view.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
You know. We teach a technique.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Where if I see a target, I'll try to line
my turret up with that target and then just drop
my head down and the.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Target should appear.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Those are a lot of things that a lot of
students just don't understand when they get there, and I
think that could be really helpful.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
I mean, yeah, these are the types of learn your binos.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean these are the sipes of things that
you learn in training. And it's also vetting of your gear,
getting really comfortable with your gear, running the turrets in
the magnification. It's gonna help you be a better shooter.
It's going to be helped you be a better hunter. Pete,
thanks for being on with us, man, this has been fun.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah, Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, and all those people who have gotten new guns
for Christmas, you probably need new optics for these guns.
So whether it's a fistol or rifle vortex, had you covered.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Thanks Pete.
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Speaker 3 (16:34):
Hey, welcome back to gun talk.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
That was fun talking with Pete from Vortex Edge Vortex Optics. Really,
I think they're probably the biggest optics company out there
right now, making everything from ninety nine dollars binoculars to
four thousand dollars rifle scopes and everything in between. Guys,
I mean talk about the world of optics is wide
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and deep.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I mean are There's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
And he was talking about one of the things that
I was thinking about is I've done it. I've hunted
with a scope that was like a six to eighteen
power in six power when the mule deer walked out
at fifty yards, was too much magnification?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
It definitely happens, and in the most inopportune times.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yes, exactly. Now, kJ you had a little bit of
an experience hunting this season. Yeah, with Mills versus MOA
because you fortunately and fortunately no don talk, You'll get
to shoot all of the things. Yeah, but you're not
always on the same gun with the same optics, so
you're going back and forth between Mills and MMA.
Speaker 12 (17:46):
And you kind of had like, oh, I just had
a brain fart moment that made me miss a deer,
and unfortunately I got it on camera. That was the
when you don't want to miss is when you have
it on camera.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
But I missed. And I.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Was shooting a six or five kree More and I
know those ballistics pretty good, but I underestimated on how
much the comeups would be and so I just held
a little high in the optic because it has a
treed retical and I had switched over to MOA and
I'm usually dial like usually dial, but this happened so quick.
I was in the stand for ten to fifteen minutes.
(18:24):
You had just texted me have you seen any deer?
I was like, no, I haven't, and then you texted
me back and I didn't. I did not respond, and
you were probably like we was probably about to shoot one.
I was got set up, everything worked great, and I
didn't dial. I just held shot right under the deer
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three hundred yards MOA scope. And I don't know MOA
as well as I do Mills. I shoot Mills in competition.
I shoot Mills in everything, but this scope that we
are filming with has MOA radical turrets, and I went
with that, did not trust my gut, and like really
(19:05):
like think about it, because I pulled up my AB app,
my ballistics app yep, and it said you should have
held for MOA, and I was like, there's no way
that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And I was like nope. But the next morning I dial,
I did.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
I just did a Hunter zero and I moved it
up to two MOA yep, and your steps out at
three hundred yards and I put it down, like yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Perfect shot. I love a Hunter zero. Chris, you were
listening to Pete and I know you had some thoughts
about optics set up.
Speaker 13 (19:40):
Yeah, for sure, what I liked one of the things
he said that he liked about Mills because I'm not
a Mill fan because I don't like points and decimals
and things like that, but he said it's all in tens. Yeah, yeah,
it's all intense, you know what, looking at it and
thinking about it. You're right, it is all intents and
tents are easy because I can count by tens as
good as I can count by ones.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I'm doing it for long.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
You know.
Speaker 13 (20:04):
It's different than count count by count by sevens. Yeah right,
you know, so that made a lot of sense to
me what you just said about that deer in a
six power optic. I mean, kJ and I talked about
two years, two seasons ago. I had a four point
five on it, and the deer came out at you know, seventy.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yards, yeah, and four point five I couldn't find it. Yeah,
and so I am all or field of view. I
went to a vortex two to ten, yeah, with it as.
Speaker 13 (20:33):
An illuminated dot in the center right, almost like shooting
a red dot. And man, what a difference that made,
being able to run that thing at two because when
depending on the hunting you're doing. And the other comment
I wanted to say was, hey, listen, we're talking about
shooting out to one thousand yards. Here, we're shooting out
to one thousand yards. We're not saying we're shooting hunting
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out to a thousand yards because there's a lot that
goes into ballistics and bullet construction and the difference between
a bullet that can actually take down a tier and
a bullet that is accurate at a thousand yards, and
those are two different things generally, and right now, unfortunately,
people are trying to make those bullets do what they
need to do at those distances. But velocity is everything,
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and velocity is a real thing once you start getting
past right distances. I don't think we're talking about hunting
at I mean, there's nothing you said it. There's nothing
more fun than ringing an eight inch piece of steel
at a thousand yards. They're saying, Holy Matt, Holy, it's
like a magic trick.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yes, right, yeah, I mean in shooting steel a thousand
yards is cool, but shooting an animal at that distance,
the bullet's not going to have enough energy to do
what it needs to do. I want to go back
to you mentioned a hunter zero, which I love a
hunter zero in the old school way, you know, the
guys would say like, ah, you know, I cided in
like an inch and a half high at one hundred.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
But that's basically they're kind of doing a hunter zero
But the little bit more sophisticated way of doing a
hunter zero these day is is you site you're gonna
gun in at one hundred perfectly, and then you can adjust.
Download a free ballistics app you can figure it out.
But basically zero to some distance zero to three hundred yards,
you don't have to adjust your hold.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're gonna hit and you're gonna like.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Max You'll be three inches high to three inches low
in that zero to three hundred and fifteen yards or whatever.
And it's a great easy way to set up your
gun so you know, at any distance within there the
deer walks out, you can hit it. We will be
right back with more gun talk and we're talking guns. Hey,
(22:42):
welcome back to gun Talk. I'm your guest host today.
Ryan Gresham's sitting here with Kevin John Agan, Chris Sono.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You guys are giving me funny smiles.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
I tell you forgot my name for a second. I
did too, these I'll never forget all. What's his name?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So we're sitting here, it's a couple of days after Christmas,
and we were talking about guns that people give and
get for Christmas, and it got us to talking about
one of the most popular beloved Christmas movies of all time,
and a gun is one of the main characters as
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part of the whole entire plot of the movie. A
Christmas Story nineteen eighty three made in nineteen eighty three,
came out then, but it was actually set in like
the late nineteen forties, I think. And so all he
wanted for Christmas was a red ryder bb gun.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
And you don't like the movie, well, let's talk about that.
That's the first thing we wanted about. Think that it's a
movie about a gun. I think that it's a little
bit dark. It's like this, it's like just say, it's
like a dark comedy kind of thing where it's like,
oh man, it's definitely the struggles of humanity. I mean,
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there's there's a drudgery of the.
Speaker 13 (24:00):
Winter and the furnace and marriage and Christmas and preparing
for the season.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The neighbors still like it's not.
Speaker 13 (24:11):
But it's not a dark movie. It's just a human
it's humanity. It's that kid wanted his his gun. He
thinks his dad is this mean, nasty guy that he's
scared the death of.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
The end doesn't s kick him in the face. Everyone sho.
Speaker 13 (24:30):
Dad knows exactly what the boy wants in needs.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
I'm going, oh my gosh, me and Michael, the producer
behind the camera that makes us all look good, are
about to pull our hair out because you guys make
this sound like it's the worst movie when it's about
it's about a gun.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Yeah, it's a story that cannot be told today, Like
there's no way someone could produce this.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I don't know. I think it needs to be a
new Christmas story. I agree wanted Oh Michael, it's five
creed more. You guys are too woke no for Christmas story.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
No, I no, I just you know, it's like it
just feels but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
There is There is the Daisy red Rider with the
compass and the stock, there's all this. Yeah, it's sad,
which Stell's time.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You keep saying that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I don't know, so obviously I wonder if Daisy, because
it's still a company, I'll still make red Riders. I mean,
do you think that you know November December is just
peak for them, everyone buying red Riders.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Yeah, I would think so, because even on our Facebook
page when we put out the post what was Yeah,
what was your memorable firearm you received for Christmas. I
would say probably seventy percent.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Of them were ready.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Writer daisybs you red Rider b B gun. That's crazy
lever action style BB gun.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
But you think about it back in the day, I mean,
that was your cowboys, Cowboys and Indians movies and stuff,
and that was the that was the deal.
Speaker 13 (25:57):
They had the saddle ring on it too, back then
they them with those anymore so much. But the other
thing that I pointed out as we discussed this was
if you think about why he wanted that gun, it
wasn't that he just wanted to go out and shoot
birds or rabbits or squirrels or even popcins. He wanted
that gun for defense because the first story of defense
(26:20):
was when Schwartz saw grizzly Bear out front of Pulaski's
candy store and he was.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Afraid of that grizzly bear. So he needed that for defense.
Speaker 13 (26:30):
And then there was Black Bart and his gang that
were going to come for his family. He wanted to
protect himself and himself. He wanted to protect his family.
And I think that is the coolest thing when you
really break it down to how you can't have this.
You can't make this movie anymore because we're not allowed
to talk about defensive family and.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Self in giving a kid a gun for Christmas. But
hens there, But this is a real thing. Now, I
love this. That the whole reason he wanted it is
self defense and defending his family from all these.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Bad guys or critters or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's another Christmas movie where a gun is used in
self defense.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Die hard Hard.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Oh, there's a third Christmas movie where a gun is
used in self defense. Kevin McAllister, Oh, home alone, shoot
the bad guys to lose a dog door right in
the forehead with a bb gun and fat Man, Oh
in fat Man, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
You haven't seen a really good It's Mel Gibson. It's
a raided r Christmas tavey. But Santa defends defends the elves.
I mean, it's a great moton. But you are right, McAllister.
Speaker 13 (27:48):
He had people breaking into his house and he has
a gun. Now, granted it's only a baby gun, but
boy did it dissuade him.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
For a while. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean we're talking about about four feet right in
the forehead. That'll that'll get four right in the crotch.
Speaker 15 (28:04):
Oh yeah, I mean that was the most effective shot
and how he aimed that gun without looking was very impressive.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Right, So it's amazing the boxman in Hollywood, right, Oh,
I mean you can't even you can't show you can't
show a gun unless it's rated arm movie. Let alone
have it in a kid's movie, and then double down on.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
That, make it a Christmas movie. Yeah. So now we've
come up with how many Christmas four?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I mean, Ben die Hard Home all alone a Christmas Story?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
What do we I'm sure there's more. I'm sure we're missing.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (28:44):
There has to be. I don't know what that's that's
a pretty good selection. And honestly, The Christmas Story is
a quintessential movie. I don't think it's a dark movie.
I do see what you think about it, but I
don't look at it that way. And I love everything
about that movie. I was fourteen years old when that
movie came out, so that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah. And then you have, you know, your your little
brother wearing the big snowsuit and he just falls over
and may depend himself. I can't get up fanthat, you know.
Speaker 13 (29:20):
And despite let's say this, despite all the bullying in
that movie because you know there was whatever the guy
with the lend arling like, wasn't a bad guy?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You wasn't a bad guy. Who's the other guy in
Grover Gill the tody?
Speaker 13 (29:34):
So you know you had all those people and you
know what, you know what or uh Randy and Ralphie
didn't do they didn't take the bab gun to school.
Now well it depend themselves and it wasn't even a thought.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Look with fist if you guys have learned that story.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
But my grandfather used to hunt squirrels too in front
school and just put his twenty two in the co
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A lot of people did. Well, I don't know what
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Speaker 4 (32:00):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk coast to coast for
thirty years. They can't turn us off. In fact, we
added a bunch of new stations, So thank you all
are our new affiliates that are running gun Talk, and
so there may be some new guys and gals listening
to us. I'm actually the fill in host. I'm the
second stringer, Ryan Gresham, filling in for Tom, who is
(32:23):
taking a day of rest on this stuff. But we've
got Chris, We've got kJ here team gun Talk, and
we're talking about all things guns and we're kind of
bouncing around to different subjects today. One thing that you
brought up, kJ, is you have a trip and you're
going to a place that isn't very permissive to carrying
a gun.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Yeah, it's definitely not too a friendly and you always
have to worry about these things when you think about
your family safety. Because I'm going with the family out
of town for the New Years and it's a big
place where things happen. Yeah, So what I want to
(33:05):
get y'all's thoughts on what can I carry?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
What can I do? Like, I know, being alert is
like my number one defense right now is like looking at.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
It and well it's not uncommon I mean, in these
big cities New York, Chicago, San Francisco, whatever, right these are,
these are not very permissive environments for well carrying a gun,
owning a gun, even just defending oneself.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You know, we live we're.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
All living here in Louisiana, which is a pretty freedom
loving place. And and if you have to defend yourself,
whether it's with a gun or an eye for your fists, you're.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Probably going to be given the benefit of the doubt
in the justice system.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
But that is not the case, Chris, in some of
these states, with some of the das and these big
metro areas, right.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
That's right.
Speaker 13 (33:55):
Uh. You know, in my younger years in law enforcement,
I couldn't even take as a law enforcement officer, a
municipal law enforcement, not federal. But I couldn't even take
my gun to New York back in the day, you know.
And that's a real thing to think about. You know,
you go to somewhere like New York, you you you're
gonna you're gonna be in an area that is prone
(34:16):
to you know, violence and attacks.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (34:20):
And and even having a knife clipped on the side
of your pocket can look bad. Having your flashlight clip
to the side of your pocket. How many times have
you been through tsa where they say, hey, what do
you got clipped on your pocket there? And then you're like, oh,
it's just my flashlight. You don't even want to show
those things. So really you've got a Number one is
(34:41):
you don't go there.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
There's a lot of strange laws going back to the
knife thing, and I don't know what they currently are,
but I think New York was one of them where
if you had a knife that could be opened with
one hand, that was against the law. So and in
a cop could see a clip, take your knife out,
and if they can somehow manage to open this knife
(35:03):
with one hand, you can get in.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Some serious trouble.
Speaker 13 (35:07):
Well yeah, I mean, so you know, first course of
defense is the thought of you don't go there. But
you can't do that because we got to go where
we want to go, right, and our families need to go.
The second thing is you just got to have your
head on a swivel. You got to have your head
on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
You got to be.
Speaker 13 (35:22):
Aware, you got to be more aware than you normally are,
because now it's not just you. But then if you
do take your flashlight, your knife and your pepper spray.
You just don't have those exposed either, but you make
sure that you have them in a fashion that they're
ready at hand. And of course people like UKJ have
great hand to hand skills. That's awesome, but so did
the guy on the subway that choked the guy out
(35:43):
and he ended up dying.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
So you have to avoidance, is your key.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, even more so, right because you're a little i
mean undergun so to speak. So it'd be helpful to
see it coming from a further distance, so less now.
I mean, we'd also say check your check, check the
local laws. Oh yeah, I mean if you're going to
you know, we were talking about New York. If you're
(36:08):
going to New York, I know that the gun laws
are in New York are really strict, and I know
that you carry permit's not going to to work over there.
But there may be restrictions on pepper spray. There may
be restrictions on knives, as we were talking about, right,
There may be I don't know what you'd call them,
rules of engagement of a duty to retreat. Now, like
(36:29):
anybody can listen to this and say, well that's cool,
but I'm not going to do any of that.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's your that's your yall.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You're you're grown up, and you can decide to just
not acquiesque to their requests.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
Well, and what's really good, what's really good about my
family is that we do all train in jiu jitsu,
so so I do have someone with me who is
just as skilled as I am. So so that is
nice and it's comforting. But it's it's the awareness. It's
the awareness that you got to think about and before Yeah,
(37:05):
and this may be a great opportunity for you. We
talked about les Leith launchers and the burning pistols and
the likes. This may be a great opportunity for you
to find out if where you're going allow us that
and you get one, that's a report back to us
on what it was like and what it felt like
to have something like that on you.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
And maybe how many people did you shoot?
Speaker 9 (37:25):
How many just my kids just it was just protesting
to be quiet, bam like.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
But you know, that's a good point, Chris, because people
listening to this show or this podcast they tend to
be gun people and they're like, oh, the gun's the
answer for everything. Well, I'll just care what's your you know,
would you carry les lethal?
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, I carry a three eighty.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Sometimes you're like, I'm well in but like this is
a case where you go, well, I'm just not going
to go there. What if you have to? What if
you just simply have to? And you're like, but I'm
just not going to go there. I'm like, I guess
you could become a hermit, you know, just don't leave
your county. But I mean this is an option, and
maybe that is you know, those those pepper ball pistols
(38:06):
or whatever, probably better than a little can of pepper spray.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
Yeah, I think that T four E and Numerax has
a brand out there. The Burner brand is out there,
I know there. Does it run every radio station that
I listened to?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
This might be a.
Speaker 13 (38:20):
Great opportunity for you to do a little bit of research, Yeah,
and then report back to us number one on what
the laws were. Number two, what did you get and
what did it? Number three, what did it feel like
carrying that? And did you feel like it gave you
any advantage? Because you know what, we can be as
aware as we want to. However, there you could I
(38:44):
mean you just get caught off guard.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Well, let me say this. I mean it's close.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
If you're flying somewhere and you've got a pepper ball
launcher that is a pistol. You're going to have to
declare that because it's a pistol. It looks like a pistol,
so you're going to have to check it just like
you would try a gun.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
So just a heads up for everybody.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
We're actually going to dive into more talk about traveling
with guns. I know a lot of people have questions
about that. I know a lot of people are traveling
this time of year, so what are the laws?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
How do you do it the right way?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
It's actually not as complicated as a lot of people think.
We're gonna answer some of those questions for you when
we come back with more gun talk. Thanks for listening. Hey,
(39:37):
welcome back to Gun Talk, Talking Guns. I'm your fill
in host today by A Gresson. We've got Evin Jargon,
Chris Sereno, and we're just covering all kinds of stuff.
We're talking about a look back at twenty five. We're
talking about a look forward into twenty six. We're gonna
have coming up here after the end of the of
(40:00):
the hour. Here, we're gonna have Luke Quinko from the
Firearms Blog and a lot of other places gun writer Guy,
Gun Video Guy, and talking about traveling with guns. But
you know, as we look forward into twenty six, there's
a lot of interesting things, and we have Shot Show
coming up, and if you're going to Shots Show, look
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We have a little booth space in the main hallway
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Speaker 3 (40:36):
From gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
So from the show, so you can tune in to
all of gun Talk, socials, gun Talk, you know, sign
up for the email newsletter, all that stuff. And some
people Chris have been asking about range Ready training schedule
for twenty twenty six. I know we have classes planned,
We're gonna be putting stuff up, training goal, product goals.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I mean, you know, as you look.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Forward, what would you like to see and hear from
kind of like our students of what they're what they
got going.
Speaker 13 (41:10):
Well, I know that students have been asking they do
want classes. They definitely want semi auto one and diagnostic
pistol instructor. We've got a lot of interest in the
car being class last year, we didn't get one in
at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
We just got it up too late.
Speaker 13 (41:25):
But I do have the schedule planned and right now,
since we're almost into January, I'm just going to bump
everything that was from February forward. And honestly, the way
this Winn's going, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah,
because it's been colder than the well diggers behind it's it.
So we'll bump things forward, We'll get we'll get one
(41:46):
of everything up there, we'll get basic pistol on on
some of those Saturdays. And I think kJ had a
really good idea yesterday was that he wanted to do
a basic.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Car being just a one day on Saturdays.
Speaker 13 (42:00):
Put that up, and so I think that would be
a hit because people are intimidated by two and three
day classes with the car being. If they're not, they're
not not that we couldn't get you squared away. Yeah,
but one day, you know, it might be nice to
get out there, hear the boom, feel it, see it,
see how to load it, run it, operate it correctly
where your hands go on it.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Well, we were just talking about this with Pete from
Vortex of like the other advantages of taking a training
class beyond the pulling of the trigger and hitting the target,
and certainly with car being AR classes, the just the
running of the gun, the dropping the magazine, locking the
(42:39):
bolt to the rear, the manipulation of the gun and
doing it over and over and over. You load, you unload,
all of those things is just the reps, right, Chris.
Speaker 13 (42:48):
Right, Because there are things that just like he said,
you don't know what you don't know, like getting down
on your gun. We point the gun at the target,
We point our body to the gun. A lot of
people have probably never heard that four But how do
you point the gun to the target? And we mentioned well,
I use my top turret and I line up my
top turret.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
To the target.
Speaker 13 (43:06):
And it's like, okay, yeah, I've done that, But I
have ever told anybody that, Right, it's best kept secret.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, how many people have gone out and they bought
an AR or two or three and they just haven't
really shot them much.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
It's it's it's the whole you know.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Well, I bought it because I was worried I wouldn't
be able to buy it.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Thing.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Okay, well, now you bought you bought it. Now you
own it, and you bought a case of AMMO. Have
you shot it at all? Have you ever loaded the magazine?
I mean, we still have people to show up to
a car being course and they're trying to load an
AR magazine by sliding the rounds in like you do
on a pistol. And that's not how you load an
(43:46):
AR magazine.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Right do you discharge? Have you discharged it? Or are
you trained with it? They didn't go off and I
hit the dirt. I have even bigger question for another time.
Why don't people train? Why don't people train?
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Who? We'll have to ask Luke because coming up our
next guest, I know he loves to train.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
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Hey, welcome to gun Talk Radio.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
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I'm your guest host this week, Ryan Gresham, and we've
got team gun Talk here. We got Chris Sarno, we
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got Kevin Jarnigan, and we've been talking about, you know,
new products, what was cool from this year, what do
we expect for next year. One of the things that's
been really hot for several years now is long range shooting,
rifle shooting at further distances, which has really expanded the
techniques and the products that we're using. So we're not
(01:14):
just using the old fixed for power anymore. People are
doing a lot with cartridges and rifles and optics, and
along those lines, we thought we'd bring in one of
the experts, one of the big name in optics, Vortex.
You guys know Vortex Optics, and we have Pete Schreier
from Vortex Edge, which is the Train division.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Welcome me, Welcome in, Pete.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, thanks for being here. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
So, I mean, people know Vortex Optics. You guys do
pretty much everything in the world of optics. Rifle scopes,
spotting scopes, Buino's red dots. But the higher ends you
have a higher end line and you've really dug into
the higher magnification and all of the tech that goes
into trying to hit a target at some pretty far distances.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Talk about kind of what do we think what are
you seeing in.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Optics these days when we talk about a long range
rifle scope.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
So we do have some really high end stuff. You know,
our Razor line is great. You know, we released the
six to thirty six a couple of years ago.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
But I.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
We also have some really I wouldn't say lower tier,
but some of our budget friendly scopes like the Strike
Eagle five to twenty five that can be had for
like nine hundred bucks. So I think automatically people are
assuming I need to spend a lot of money on
a good precision scope for long range. And frankly, I
(02:41):
think for most people that come to our classes, we
point them towards that that Strike Egle five to twenty
five has a lot of features that we really like.
We think the glass quality is really great, it is
locking turrets.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
It's just a really high quality scope for the price.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
And I think people when they get into long range shooting,
you are going to have to spend some money. So
if you can save a little bit on on the
optic and get a really good, high quality optic that
won't break your bank, it'll kind of save some money,
you see, can spend it in other areas. But you know,
I think amongst the staff that the Strike Eagles probably
(03:16):
one of our favorites for the price.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It is kind of that sweet spot.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I mean, that's something that Vortex does a really good
job at is is giving people options as far as
price points along you know, up and down the price scale,
and your your middle I guess i'd call it your
middlely priced stuff. Middlely priced that's not really a phrase,
but strike eagle is that sweet spot five to twenty five. Now,
when they get into these scopes you'd mentioned locking turrets,
(03:41):
they're going to see some things as far as radicals,
and then we're going to start getting into mills and ma.
How do you sort that out when people ask you,
how do I choose? And where do I start?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Well, so people can be real passionate about either Mill
or MA. My advice to people, if you don't have
any experience with any, I would start out with Mill. Okay,
I'm going to say something very un American. I think
it comes down to metric versus American system. And the
older I get, the more I realize metric kind of
(04:15):
makes sense. Like I find myself using metric more and more.
You know, when you're when you're when I'm at home cooking,
I'm measuring everything in grams. It's a ten based system.
It just it tends to make more sense. I know
why people are drawn towards MLA. It's it's it's more.
It's a classic unit of measurement. And I think most
shooters can picture. Okay, one m away at one hundred
(04:38):
yards is just a little over an inch and that
sticks in their brain. Okay, I can picture that you'll
never use that measurement again in shooting.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Like when I'm communicating.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
To someone if they pick them away, I'm not gonna say, hey, man,
I need you to come up eight inches. Okay, I'm
going to be communicating you in that unit of measurement.
So I know why people feel comfortable with MA starting
off and it's just that one little measurement. But I
think you got to do a little research, you got
to explore. I think a ten based system is just
(05:09):
way simpler to use. I think Mills are going to
be way simpler to use in the long run. You know,
when I'm communicating to someone, I'm like, hey, I need
you to hold two tenths left of center. We're not
talking inches. So at the end of the day, I
do think Mills is going to be better. However, I mean,
if you've heavily invested in MA, if that's what you know,
(05:31):
I don't think that's necessarily wrong either. Sorry for the
non controversial take, but kind of waves starting out.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But the answer is what you said there.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You're like, hey, look, if you're starting from scratch, let
me just go ahead and tell you where you probably
want to be because it's going to be faster and
easier to get better using mills versus ma.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Yeah, But at the end of the day, if you
have twelve scopes with them away, you're comfortable with them away.
I don't. I don't think it's really necessary worth switching.
I mean, they both are a unit of measurement and
they both work the longer you go down in long range,
Like there's wind formulas let are designed specifically four mill shooters,
And if you don't like to do math, if you
don't like to convert MOA to mill, I would just
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start with mill, Okay. I just think it simplifies everything.
And people go down the MOA road just because one
inch is roughly one them away at one hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You know when we talk about long range shooting and
you guys teach these courses at Vortec's edge, how long
is long range shooting? How do you kind of describe
that to people like distance wise?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Right?
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Well, I mean, you know, it's interesting. We get some
people in class and to them, long range is two
hundred yards. I mean, so that's kind of fun pushing
people out to those distances. But you know, and in
the classes we teach, we usually try to get people
out to one thousand yards the first day, you know,
and most of them have never shop beyond two hundred yards.
(07:02):
And then after the end of like a two or
three day course, you know, those two hundred yard targets
that we start people on, those are six inch plates,
Like they hit them without even thinking, like.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
It's kind of a gimme.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Like if you miss the two hundred you know, our
two hundred yard six inch plates, by the end of
day two, something's going on, like you either didn't return
your your turret to zero or you know, something really happened.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
So to us man a long range.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Thousand yards to start off with, okay, you know, and
if you don't really hit those targets right away, it
definitely gives you more confidence in more practical ranges anywhere
from two, five, six, seven. So yeah, I mean it,
It's interesting the farther you push, the more comfortable you
get at those those longer distances.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I know, with like, so some people are gonna say
a thousand yards on the first day of a class.
I mean a lot of these folks who've never shot
five hundred yards I mean, what is it. I know
it's doable, and at gun talk we're always talking about
training and it's amazing how people can improve, But how
do you get someone to a thousand yard shot in
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one day on the first day of a class.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Well, it honestly starts just making sure their setups are solid,
making sure, honestly, I think starting on paper is really important.
We can teach them how to call win, we can
teach them how to hold, but if they're not shooting consistently,
all that's kind of out of the window. So it
just starts in the morning with zero confirmation and just
shooting consistent groups. I mean, they don't have to be
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the smallest, tightest groups in the world, but they have
to be consistent. If we have errors, that stuff that's
going to show up down range. You know, did you
miss that target because of a bad wind or was
it a dirty shot? So I really think it starts
on paper with just honestly, with just basic marksmanship, just
shooting the gun consistently.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
And the more you shoot under a you know, then
they're starting to be able to call their shots, like
you said, that was a dirty shot instead of just
I shot.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I don't know what happened? Did I hit it?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Now you get, you know, one hundred shots into a
class and they're going, yeah, I could feel, you know,
the shot broke when I was a little bit left
of the target or whatever that might be. And they're
actually starting to be able to diagnose what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, that's that's a good point. I don't expect every
shot to be perfect.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, people are going to make mistakes, but you know,
if you didn't hear what you were shooting at, it's
nice for that person to know why. If they know why,
or could they could see it happen in real time,
they can see their radical move off target, that's going
to allow the shooter to kind of diagnose Okay, hey
I did this, This happened, And it's a lot easier
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than for them to realize that, yeah, I just made
a bad shot. Okay, it wasn't the wind, I didn't
dial right. It was just it was just a bad shot.
And I think that's kind of where everything really should start.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, kJ, I mean you doing quite a bit of
NRL competitions and long range. I mean Pete's teaching these guys.
I mean, what are your thoughts and why is it
so popular these days?
Speaker 9 (10:10):
Well, the scopes are just the training aspect of it,
or the long range aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I mean, that's what you got to look at, is
why what's so popular?
Speaker 9 (10:19):
I mean, what's not the like about being able to
hit an eight inch circle at a thousand yards? I mean,
there's no better feeling when you can call that win.
You can really dial in your optics and you can
make those impacts.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I mean, there's no better feeling.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
And if you're into the long range hunting, if you
find yourself in the hunting field and if E was
ever asked yourself, why did I miss that deer? You
should go to training or you should pick up a
long range match because you'll learn so much about the
basic fundamentals of your shooting game that go overlooked in
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the field. Where they get really exposed is in a
training class or while you're under the watchful.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Beep of a timer.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah. I mean, and obviously you know we're not really
talking about long range hunting as far as like hitting
a deer at a thousand yards generally that's not I mean,
most people aren't trying to do that, and it's kind
of frowned upon. But I mean even being able to
make those shots, Pete, I mean that's going to help
you when that trophy buck walks out at four hundred yards, right.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, and absolutely it's a confidence thing.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
It is a confidence thing, you know, understanding the effects
that wind have on your shot, you know, just honestly.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Knowing how to dial.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
I mean, you know, day one, we'll get some people
that you know, they're aiming at the wrong target. Okay,
so they're supposed to be on four hundred and they're
actually on six hundred, so you know they have the
wrong dope dial. So just getting to know your equipment,
getting comfortable dialing that, figuring out what your ballistic are,
you know, all that stuff's for hunting. I mean, like
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I said that two hundred yard shots sort of a gimme,
and that's probably like your average shot out west. And
you know, if we get you dialed in at one thousand,
two hundred yards, four hundred yards, that stuff gets to
be real easy.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You kind of mentioned there's something else.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
If you do a couple of days of training at
a place like Vortec's Edge, it's not just the shooting part,
but it's like finding the right target. Okay, you know,
just those little things if you start realizing, okay, I
can zoom out on my magnification, find the target, zoom in,
or a technique of looking straight over the scope and
bringing the scope up so that can actually work out
(12:41):
in the field if it's like, well, which elk is it?
Which deer is it? You're looking on a mountain side.
You know, these are things that you can actually work
on in a class.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, honestly, half my job as an instructor is getting
people off the highest magnification. You know, we make a
six x thirty six scope that is great, but it's
usefulness that thirty six power.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Is actually really limited.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
So I think some really good training is on day
three we tend to get people off the ground. We
have them shoot from barricades out to four or five
hundred yards, and the biggest thing is, okay, people see
the scope, see the target with their eyes, and then
they try to get down behind their scope, and just
trying to get them on target, especially when they're not
a shot timer, can be a little stressful. So if
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you teach people, hey, throllovers are really nice. Okay, we
want to be at a lower made vacation. We have
a lot wider field of view.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
You know. We teach a technique.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Where if I see a target, I'll try to line
my turret up with that target and then just drop
my head down and the.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Target should appear.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Those are a lot of things that a lot of
students just don't understand when they get there, and I
think that could be really helpful.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
I mean, yeah, these are the types of learn your binos.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean these are the sipes of things that
you learn in training. And it's also vetting of your gear,
getting really comfortable with your gear, running the turrets in
the magnification. It's gonna help you be a better shooter.
It's going to be helped you be a better hunter. Pete,
thanks for being on with us, man, this has been fun.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yeah, Hey, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3 (16:34):
Hey, welcome back to gun talk.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
That was fun talking with Pete from Vortex Edge Vortex Optics. Really,
I think they're probably the biggest optics company out there
right now, making everything from ninety nine dollars binoculars to
four thousand dollars rifle scopes and everything in between. Guys,
I mean talk about the world of optics is wide
(16:59):
and deep.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I mean are There's a lot there.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
And he was talking about one of the things that
I was thinking about is I've done it. I've hunted
with a scope that was like a six to eighteen
power in six power when the mule deer walked out
at fifty yards, was too much magnification?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
It definitely happens, and in the most inopportune times.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yes, exactly. Now, kJ you had a little bit of
an experience hunting this season. Yeah, with Mills versus MOA
because you fortunately and fortunately no don talk, You'll get
to shoot all of the things. Yeah, but you're not
always on the same gun with the same optics, so
you're going back and forth between Mills and MMA.
Speaker 12 (17:46):
And you kind of had like, oh, I just had
a brain fart moment that made me miss a deer,
and unfortunately I got it on camera. That was the
when you don't want to miss is when you have
it on camera.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
But I missed. And I.
Speaker 9 (18:02):
Was shooting a six or five kree More and I
know those ballistics pretty good, but I underestimated on how
much the comeups would be and so I just held
a little high in the optic because it has a
treed retical and I had switched over to MOA and
I'm usually dial like usually dial, but this happened so quick.
I was in the stand for ten to fifteen minutes.
(18:24):
You had just texted me have you seen any deer?
I was like, no, I haven't, and then you texted
me back and I didn't. I did not respond, and
you were probably like we was probably about to shoot one.
I was got set up, everything worked great, and I
didn't dial. I just held shot right under the deer
(18:45):
three hundred yards MOA scope. And I don't know MOA
as well as I do Mills. I shoot Mills in competition.
I shoot Mills in everything, but this scope that we
are filming with has MOA radical turrets, and I went
with that, did not trust my gut, and like really
(19:05):
like think about it, because I pulled up my AB app,
my ballistics app yep, and it said you should have
held for MOA, and I was like, there's no way
that's right.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And I was like nope. But the next morning I dial,
I did.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
I just did a Hunter zero and I moved it
up to two MOA yep, and your steps out at
three hundred yards and I put it down, like yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Perfect shot. I love a Hunter zero. Chris, you were
listening to Pete and I know you had some thoughts
about optics set up.
Speaker 13 (19:40):
Yeah, for sure, what I liked one of the things
he said that he liked about Mills because I'm not
a Mill fan because I don't like points and decimals
and things like that, but he said it's all in tens. Yeah, yeah,
it's all intense, you know what, looking at it and
thinking about it. You're right, it is all intents and
tents are easy because I can count by tens as
good as I can count by ones.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I'm doing it for long.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
You know.
Speaker 13 (20:04):
It's different than count count by count by sevens. Yeah right,
you know, so that made a lot of sense to
me what you just said about that deer in a
six power optic. I mean, kJ and I talked about
two years, two seasons ago. I had a four point
five on it, and the deer came out at you know, seventy.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yards, yeah, and four point five I couldn't find it. Yeah,
and so I am all or field of view. I
went to a vortex two to ten, yeah, with it as.
Speaker 13 (20:33):
An illuminated dot in the center right, almost like shooting
a red dot. And man, what a difference that made,
being able to run that thing at two because when
depending on the hunting you're doing. And the other comment
I wanted to say was, hey, listen, we're talking about
shooting out to one thousand yards. Here, we're shooting out
to one thousand yards. We're not saying we're shooting hunting
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out to a thousand yards because there's a lot that
goes into ballistics and bullet construction and the difference between
a bullet that can actually take down a tier and
a bullet that is accurate at a thousand yards, and
those are two different things generally, and right now, unfortunately,
people are trying to make those bullets do what they
need to do at those distances. But velocity is everything,
(21:16):
and velocity is a real thing once you start getting
past right distances. I don't think we're talking about hunting
at I mean, there's nothing you said it. There's nothing
more fun than ringing an eight inch piece of steel
at a thousand yards. They're saying, Holy Matt, Holy, it's
like a magic trick.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yes, right, yeah, I mean in shooting steel a thousand
yards is cool, but shooting an animal at that distance,
the bullet's not going to have enough energy to do
what it needs to do. I want to go back
to you mentioned a hunter zero, which I love a
hunter zero in the old school way, you know, the
guys would say like, ah, you know, I cided in
like an inch and a half high at one hundred.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
But that's basically they're kind of doing a hunter zero
But the little bit more sophisticated way of doing a
hunter zero these day is is you site you're gonna
gun in at one hundred perfectly, and then you can adjust.
Download a free ballistics app you can figure it out.
But basically zero to some distance zero to three hundred yards,
you don't have to adjust your hold.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're gonna hit and you're gonna like.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Max You'll be three inches high to three inches low
in that zero to three hundred and fifteen yards or whatever.
And it's a great easy way to set up your
gun so you know, at any distance within there the
deer walks out, you can hit it. We will be
right back with more gun talk and we're talking guns. Hey,
(22:42):
welcome back to gun Talk. I'm your guest host today.
Ryan Gresham's sitting here with Kevin John Agan, Chris Sono.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You guys are giving me funny smiles.
Speaker 9 (22:51):
I tell you forgot my name for a second. I
did too, these I'll never forget all. What's his name?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So we're sitting here, it's a couple of days after Christmas,
and we were talking about guns that people give and
get for Christmas, and it got us to talking about
one of the most popular beloved Christmas movies of all time,
and a gun is one of the main characters as
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part of the whole entire plot of the movie. A
Christmas Story nineteen eighty three made in nineteen eighty three,
came out then, but it was actually set in like
the late nineteen forties, I think. And so all he
wanted for Christmas was a red ryder bb gun.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
And you don't like the movie, well, let's talk about that.
That's the first thing we wanted about. Think that it's a
movie about a gun. I think that it's a little
bit dark. It's like this, it's like just say, it's
like a dark comedy kind of thing where it's like,
oh man, it's definitely the struggles of humanity. I mean,
(23:58):
there's there's a drudgery of the.
Speaker 13 (24:00):
Winter and the furnace and marriage and Christmas and preparing
for the season.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The neighbors still like it's not.
Speaker 13 (24:11):
But it's not a dark movie. It's just a human
it's humanity. It's that kid wanted his his gun. He
thinks his dad is this mean, nasty guy that he's
scared the death of.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
The end doesn't s kick him in the face. Everyone sho.
Speaker 13 (24:30):
Dad knows exactly what the boy wants in needs.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
I'm going, oh my gosh, me and Michael, the producer
behind the camera that makes us all look good, are
about to pull our hair out because you guys make
this sound like it's the worst movie when it's about
it's about a gun.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
Yeah, it's a story that cannot be told today, Like
there's no way someone could produce this.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I don't know. I think it needs to be a
new Christmas story. I agree wanted Oh Michael, it's five
creed more. You guys are too woke no for Christmas story.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
No, I no, I just you know, it's like it
just feels but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
There is There is the Daisy red Rider with the
compass and the stock, there's all this. Yeah, it's sad,
which Stell's time.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You keep saying that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I don't know, so obviously I wonder if Daisy, because
it's still a company, I'll still make red Riders. I mean,
do you think that you know November December is just
peak for them, everyone buying red Riders.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
Yeah, I would think so, because even on our Facebook
page when we put out the post what was Yeah,
what was your memorable firearm you received for Christmas. I
would say probably seventy percent.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Of them were ready.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Writer daisybs you red Rider b B gun. That's crazy
lever action style BB gun.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
But you think about it back in the day, I mean,
that was your cowboys, Cowboys and Indians movies and stuff,
and that was the that was the deal.
Speaker 13 (25:57):
They had the saddle ring on it too, back then
they them with those anymore so much. But the other
thing that I pointed out as we discussed this was
if you think about why he wanted that gun, it
wasn't that he just wanted to go out and shoot
birds or rabbits or squirrels or even popcins. He wanted
that gun for defense because the first story of defense
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was when Schwartz saw grizzly Bear out front of Pulaski's
candy store and he was.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Afraid of that grizzly bear. So he needed that for defense.
Speaker 13 (26:30):
And then there was Black Bart and his gang that
were going to come for his family. He wanted to
protect himself and himself. He wanted to protect his family.
And I think that is the coolest thing when you
really break it down to how you can't have this.
You can't make this movie anymore because we're not allowed
to talk about defensive family and.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Self in giving a kid a gun for Christmas. But
hens there, But this is a real thing. Now, I
love this. That the whole reason he wanted it is
self defense and defending his family from all these.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Bad guys or critters or whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's another Christmas movie where a gun is used in
self defense.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Die hard Hard.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Oh, there's a third Christmas movie where a gun is
used in self defense. Kevin McAllister, Oh, home alone, shoot
the bad guys to lose a dog door right in
the forehead with a bb gun and fat Man, Oh
in fat Man, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 9 (27:35):
You haven't seen a really good It's Mel Gibson. It's
a raided r Christmas tavey. But Santa defends defends the elves.
I mean, it's a great moton. But you are right, McAllister.
Speaker 13 (27:48):
He had people breaking into his house and he has
a gun. Now, granted it's only a baby gun, but
boy did it dissuade him.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
For a while. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean we're talking about about four feet right in
the forehead. That'll that'll get four right in the crotch.
Speaker 15 (28:04):
Oh yeah, I mean that was the most effective shot
and how he aimed that gun without looking was very impressive.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Right, So it's amazing the boxman in Hollywood, right, Oh,
I mean you can't even you can't show you can't
show a gun unless it's rated arm movie. Let alone
have it in a kid's movie, and then double down on.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
That, make it a Christmas movie. Yeah. So now we've
come up with how many Christmas four?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I mean, Ben die Hard Home all alone a Christmas Story?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
What do we I'm sure there's more. I'm sure we're missing.
Speaker 10 (28:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (28:44):
There has to be. I don't know what that's that's
a pretty good selection. And honestly, The Christmas Story is
a quintessential movie. I don't think it's a dark movie.
I do see what you think about it, but I
don't look at it that way. And I love everything
about that movie. I was fourteen years old when that
movie came out, so that was the thing.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah. And then you have, you know, your your little
brother wearing the big snowsuit and he just falls over
and may depend himself. I can't get up fanthat, you know.
Speaker 13 (29:20):
And despite let's say this, despite all the bullying in
that movie because you know there was whatever the guy
with the lend arling like, wasn't a bad guy?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
You wasn't a bad guy. Who's the other guy in
Grover Gill the tody?
Speaker 13 (29:34):
So you know you had all those people and you
know what, you know what or uh Randy and Ralphie
didn't do they didn't take the bab gun to school.
Now well it depend themselves and it wasn't even a thought.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Look with fist if you guys have learned that story.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
But my grandfather used to hunt squirrels too in front
school and just put his twenty two in the co
closet school.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A lot of people did. Well, I don't know what
do you think is? Is? Is the Daisy Red Rider?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
The number one long box under the tree? A couple
of days ago at Christmas we will be right back
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thirty years. They can't turn us off. In fact, we
added a bunch of new stations, So thank you all
are our new affiliates that are running gun Talk, and
so there may be some new guys and gals listening
to us. I'm actually the fill in host. I'm the
second stringer, Ryan Gresham, filling in for Tom, who is
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taking a day of rest on this stuff. But we've
got Chris, We've got kJ here team gun Talk, and
we're talking about all things guns and we're kind of
bouncing around to different subjects today. One thing that you
brought up, kJ, is you have a trip and you're
going to a place that isn't very permissive to carrying
a gun.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Yeah, it's definitely not too a friendly and you always
have to worry about these things when you think about
your family safety. Because I'm going with the family out
of town for the New Years and it's a big
place where things happen. Yeah, So what I want to
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get y'all's thoughts on what can I carry?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
What can I do? Like, I know, being alert is
like my number one defense right now is like looking at.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
It and well it's not uncommon I mean, in these
big cities New York, Chicago, San Francisco, whatever, right these are,
these are not very permissive environments for well carrying a gun,
owning a gun, even just defending oneself.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You know, we live we're.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
All living here in Louisiana, which is a pretty freedom
loving place. And and if you have to defend yourself,
whether it's with a gun or an eye for your fists, you're.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Probably going to be given the benefit of the doubt
in the justice system.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
But that is not the case, Chris, in some of
these states, with some of the das and these big
metro areas, right.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
That's right.
Speaker 13 (33:55):
Uh. You know, in my younger years in law enforcement,
I couldn't even take as a law enforcement officer, a
municipal law enforcement, not federal. But I couldn't even take
my gun to New York back in the day, you know.
And that's a real thing to think about. You know,
you go to somewhere like New York, you you you're
gonna you're gonna be in an area that is prone
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to you know, violence and attacks.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Uh.
Speaker 13 (34:20):
And and even having a knife clipped on the side
of your pocket can look bad. Having your flashlight clip
to the side of your pocket. How many times have
you been through tsa where they say, hey, what do
you got clipped on your pocket there? And then you're like, oh,
it's just my flashlight. You don't even want to show
those things. So really you've got a Number one is
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you don't go there.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
There's a lot of strange laws going back to the
knife thing, and I don't know what they currently are,
but I think New York was one of them where
if you had a knife that could be opened with
one hand, that was against the law. So and in
a cop could see a clip, take your knife out,
and if they can somehow manage to open this knife
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with one hand, you can get in.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Some serious trouble.
Speaker 13 (35:07):
Well yeah, I mean, so you know, first course of
defense is the thought of you don't go there. But
you can't do that because we got to go where
we want to go, right, and our families need to go.
The second thing is you just got to have your
head on a swivel. You got to have your head
on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
You got to be.
Speaker 13 (35:22):
Aware, you got to be more aware than you normally are,
because now it's not just you. But then if you
do take your flashlight, your knife and your pepper spray.
You just don't have those exposed either, but you make
sure that you have them in a fashion that they're
ready at hand. And of course people like UKJ have
great hand to hand skills. That's awesome, but so did
the guy on the subway that choked the guy out
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and he ended up dying.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
So you have to avoidance, is your key.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, even more so, right because you're a little i
mean undergun so to speak. So it'd be helpful to
see it coming from a further distance, so less now.
I mean, we'd also say check your check, check the
local laws. Oh yeah, I mean if you're going to
you know, we were talking about New York. If you're
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going to New York, I know that the gun laws
are in New York are really strict, and I know
that you carry permit's not going to to work over there.
But there may be restrictions on pepper spray. There may
be restrictions on knives, as we were talking about, right,
There may be I don't know what you'd call them,
rules of engagement of a duty to retreat. Now, like
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anybody can listen to this and say, well that's cool,
but I'm not going to do any of that.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's your that's your yall.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You're you're grown up, and you can decide to just
not acquiesque to their requests.
Speaker 9 (36:41):
Well, and what's really good, what's really good about my
family is that we do all train in jiu jitsu,
so so I do have someone with me who is
just as skilled as I am. So so that is
nice and it's comforting. But it's it's the awareness. It's
the awareness that you got to think about and before Yeah,
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and this may be a great opportunity for you. We
talked about les Leith launchers and the burning pistols and
the likes. This may be a great opportunity for you
to find out if where you're going allow us that
and you get one, that's a report back to us
on what it was like and what it felt like
to have something like that on you.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
And maybe how many people did you shoot?
Speaker 9 (37:25):
How many just my kids just it was just protesting
to be quiet, bam like.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
But you know, that's a good point, Chris, because people
listening to this show or this podcast they tend to
be gun people and they're like, oh, the gun's the
answer for everything. Well, I'll just care what's your you know,
would you carry les lethal?
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, I carry a three eighty.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Sometimes you're like, I'm well in but like this is
a case where you go, well, I'm just not going
to go there. What if you have to? What if
you just simply have to? And you're like, but I'm
just not going to go there. I'm like, I guess
you could become a hermit, you know, just don't leave
your county. But I mean this is an option, and
maybe that is you know, those those pepper ball pistols
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or whatever, probably better than a little can of pepper spray.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
Yeah, I think that T four E and Numerax has
a brand out there. The Burner brand is out there,
I know there. Does it run every radio station that
I listened to?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
This might be a.
Speaker 13 (38:20):
Great opportunity for you to do a little bit of research, Yeah,
and then report back to us number one on what
the laws were. Number two, what did you get and
what did it? Number three, what did it feel like
carrying that? And did you feel like it gave you
any advantage? Because you know what, we can be as
aware as we want to. However, there you could I
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mean you just get caught off guard.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Well, let me say this. I mean it's close.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
If you're flying somewhere and you've got a pepper ball
launcher that is a pistol. You're going to have to
declare that because it's a pistol. It looks like a pistol,
so you're going to have to check it just like
you would try a gun.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
So just a heads up for everybody.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
We're actually going to dive into more talk about traveling
with guns. I know a lot of people have questions
about that. I know a lot of people are traveling
this time of year, so what are the laws?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
How do you do it the right way?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
It's actually not as complicated as a lot of people think.
We're gonna answer some of those questions for you when
we come back with more gun talk. Thanks for listening. Hey,
(39:37):
welcome back to Gun Talk, Talking Guns. I'm your fill
in host today by A Gresson. We've got Evin Jargon,
Chris Sereno, and we're just covering all kinds of stuff.
We're talking about a look back at twenty five. We're
talking about a look forward into twenty six. We're gonna
have coming up here after the end of the of
(40:00):
the hour. Here, we're gonna have Luke Quinko from the
Firearms Blog and a lot of other places gun writer Guy,
Gun Video Guy, and talking about traveling with guns. But
you know, as we look forward into twenty six, there's
a lot of interesting things, and we have Shot Show
coming up, and if you're going to Shots Show, look
(40:23):
for gun Talk because we will be broadcasting from Shot Show.
We have a little booth space in the main hallway
there along Media Row. And then if you're not going,
don't worry because we'll be broadcasting.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
From gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
So from the show, so you can tune in to
all of gun Talk, socials, gun Talk, you know, sign
up for the email newsletter, all that stuff. And some
people Chris have been asking about range Ready training schedule
for twenty twenty six. I know we have classes planned,
We're gonna be putting stuff up, training goal, product goals.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I mean, you know, as you look.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Forward, what would you like to see and hear from
kind of like our students of what they're what they
got going.
Speaker 13 (41:10):
Well, I know that students have been asking they do
want classes. They definitely want semi auto one and diagnostic
pistol instructor. We've got a lot of interest in the
car being class last year, we didn't get one in
at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
We just got it up too late.
Speaker 13 (41:25):
But I do have the schedule planned and right now,
since we're almost into January, I'm just going to bump
everything that was from February forward. And honestly, the way
this Winn's going, I don't have a problem with it. Yeah,
because it's been colder than the well diggers behind it's it.
So we'll bump things forward, We'll get we'll get one
(41:46):
of everything up there, we'll get basic pistol on on
some of those Saturdays. And I think kJ had a
really good idea yesterday was that he wanted to do
a basic.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Car being just a one day on Saturdays.
Speaker 13 (42:00):
Put that up, and so I think that would be
a hit because people are intimidated by two and three
day classes with the car being. If they're not, they're
not not that we couldn't get you squared away. Yeah,
but one day, you know, it might be nice to
get out there, hear the boom, feel it, see it,
see how to load it, run it, operate it correctly
where your hands go on it.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Well, we were just talking about this with Pete from
Vortex of like the other advantages of taking a training
class beyond the pulling of the trigger and hitting the target,
and certainly with car being AR classes, the just the
running of the gun, the dropping the magazine, locking the
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bolt to the rear, the manipulation of the gun and
doing it over and over and over. You load, you unload,
all of those things is just the reps, right, Chris.
Speaker 13 (42:48):
Right, Because there are things that just like he said,
you don't know what you don't know, like getting down
on your gun. We point the gun at the target,
We point our body to the gun. A lot of
people have probably never heard that four But how do
you point the gun to the target? And we mentioned well,
I use my top turret and I line up my
top turret.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
To the target.
Speaker 13 (43:06):
And it's like, okay, yeah, I've done that, But I
have ever told anybody that, Right, it's best kept secret.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Well, how many people have gone out and they bought
an AR or two or three and they just haven't
really shot them much.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
It's it's it's the whole you know.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Well, I bought it because I was worried I wouldn't
be able to buy it.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Thing.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Okay, well, now you bought you bought it. Now you
own it, and you bought a case of AMMO. Have
you shot it at all? Have you ever loaded the magazine?
I mean, we still have people to show up to
a car being course and they're trying to load an
AR magazine by sliding the rounds in like you do
on a pistol. And that's not how you load an
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AR magazine.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Right do you discharge? Have you discharged it? Or are
you trained with it? They didn't go off and I
hit the dirt. I have even bigger question for another time.
Why don't people train? Why don't people train?
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Who? We'll have to ask Luke because coming up our
next guest, I know he loves to train.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Or we're going to chime in on that right after that.
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