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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right back with here, Tom Gresham. It is gun
Talk and going to join us. That's pretty easy. Give
me a call at tom Talk Gun. Couldn't be easier
than that. Really, if you're talking about, well, a gun,
you bought a gun, you want to buy a trip
to the range kind of any kind of experience. We
call those range reports essentially just sharing stories about what
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you've been doing out there, and we'd love to get those.
So if you'd like to join us with that, or frankly,
if you got a question, if you're thinking, okay, what
kind of gun should I buy? For personal protection? I
want to start carrying a gun? How do I start?
Do I get a revolver? Do I get a semiato?
What caliber do I get?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Give me a call. We will work it through and
try to help you out with that. I'm Tom Gresham.
You give me a call here at Tom Talk Gun.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Eric called in and he's in Wallace, North Carolina. He's
got a range of part of the kind that I
really like. Eric, Welcome to gun Talk. Go ahead and
share your story please.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Hey Tom, Yeah, I went to my first shooting competition
this weekend. Okay, just yesterday morning. It was just the
kind of experience that you always talk about. Super welcoming,
everybody helping you out, nothing to be afraid of, even
though I was super nervous, you know, didn't want to
What kind.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Of competition was? What were you shooting? What was the competition?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
It was a IDP a pistol match.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And you had never been to one before. What made
you want to go in the first place.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
A lot of it just to kind of see how
you stack up against other people's house. I hear you
talking about it all the time, you know, testing your
ability to see just what you can do. And I
can shoot in my backyard no problem. You know, I've
got room and area. But just being able to go
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and do that and just the camaraderie.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Describe how it went when you got there, How did
it go, you know, Describe the process and the experience
you had.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Okay, so, yeah, so I got there early. I said,
come up early, a little bit early. If you're a
new shooter, give you a little extra training, little brief,
tell you what's going on. Got there, found the match director,
told him, you know, I was a new shooter, and
he was like, all right, as soon as we get
some other guys here, we'll go over things with you.
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I kind of helped set up to some targets and
things like that, just just like i'd been there before.
Everybody was like, hey, yeah, I help.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Just come on and we'll show you how it works.
And uh, And I asked a few questions. Now what
do I do? When do I load my mags? You know,
I don't want to get disqualified I do anything unsafe,
So I just talk to some people and it was
just it's like you always say welcoming, nobody looking down
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on you for being a NEX shooter.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
They basically just welcome you in and say, hey, you
know what, if you're here, you're one of us.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Let's help you get started exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, got up the first rain or first stage,
and they put me down towards the bottom so I
could watch everybody else do there. Do you see how
it goes?
Speaker 5 (03:38):
See what to do?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
When I got finished, I got cheers from the back.
I wasn't winning anything. But that's all I was.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, you know what, they were happy that you were there,
So so how did you stack up? And I guess
one of the things I'm always interested in is when
you saw the people who were really good at it?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Is that not an eye.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Opener, It really is. But the thing that really got
me was I didn't know which one of the guys
was really good because they weren't bragging about it. They weren't.
It wasn't they were just all sitting there helping. Everybody
was just shooting and having a good time. And I
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found out when I got home. You know, I was
not last, but I was, you know, bottom third.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Well that's okay.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Hey, you know what if you if you didn't come
in last, that's you know, the main thing is as
long as you beat somebody, right.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, And it was. It was just a great experience.
I'm kind of competitive, so I wanted to do well,
but I knew that I was going to do as
well as I could do, and that was all I
could do worry about for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You don't know the rules, you don't know you know
the layout, it's all brand new to you, and you know,
coming in and then just even if it's a third
of the way up, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Frankly, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
It was. It was a good time. There was not
in my squad, but there was a I think she
was nine or ten that looked like to be She
had been shooting quite a bit already, and she beat me.
So I got to beat by a ten year old.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But that's okay, and I've done the same thing. You're going, oh, yeah,
that look at that little girl. We actually just interviewed
a young lady. She's on the glock shooting team. She's
eighteen years old, and she said, yes, she was competing
when she was ten and people say, oh, how cute.
Didn't she great? And she said, yeah, I would think.
You have no idea what I'm about to do to you.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It's just awesome to see you out there competing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, welcome to the family. This is great.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yes, sir, it was awesome. And thanks for all the
encouragement over the last few years. I've been listening to you.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Absolutely well, you're going to have a ball. I know
you're going back because once you get started, you can't stop.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Eric, thank you for that. A great range report. Let's
do this.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Let's get Brandon here before our first break in here
online four re it's been holder for a while.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Brett, you're on gun Talk. What's up?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Good afternoon, Great Enabler, Yes, sir, I was influenced by
you to check out the moon clips and I got
on that as a great enabler site. What is it
called Google, Google Tube or gone enabler tube or whatever whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It takes to find the cool stuff, right, And.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I found this great tool called a TK Custom moonclip
loader unloaded tool also, and I found this on the
Google tube there and it is just an amazing piece
of technology.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It is, and people want to look that up up
It's tkcustom dot com and you can find what we're
talking about there and you get these great moon clips
for your revolvers as well as loaders for them and
a lot of other parts they have there. So I
see that you also wanted to ask me about that
aviation show I.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Used to do.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yeah, that's where I originally first got introduced to you.
I was an A and P student and I was
a wing nut and what was the name of the
show was on the Wings channel and then they later chanted.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It was called Wings to Adventure. It was the name
of the.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Show Wings to Adventure. Are those available anywhere?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
They are not.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Unfortunately, I tried to buy the series from the Outdoor
Channel where it ran, and they had a new team
in there, and they did not let me do that.
So those things have just kind of disappeared. If you
want to look up some of those segments, they've re
edited them. If you look under Sleeping Dog Productions and
that's the guys that I hired to produce the show
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Sleeping Dog for actions, you could take a look at
that might find it. But yeah, that was two years
of pure fun of traveling all over the country and
flying my plane in formation. I used it as the
camera plane and flud formation with like I don't know,
fifty or seventy different kinds of aircraft. And it was
a hoot and a half and it really occupied all
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of my time for two years and a labor of
love that made no money whatsoever, but it was true worthwhile,
So we had a ball. I'm glad you enjoyed that.
That was a fun deal. There are a few of
those clips available on YouTube. If you do a search
for Wings to Adventure you'll see a few of those
out And then if you go look up Sleeping Dog Productions.
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You'll be able to see some of that old video
we did and they've using that for different things. Oh yeah,
and by the way, just one little tidbit. Back then,
this was done as like the first eighth D filming
that the Outdoor Channel had. They wanted to show off
the fact that they were running in eighth dstead of
stand definition. The cameras we were using were one hundred
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thousand dollars and we had big gyro mounts for them
in the planes and all that. Now you do the
whole thing or the GoPro and a phone and shooting
and not just HD but in four K. That's how
far we have gone. It's really crazy. So and thank
you for letting me run down that memory lane. All right,
quick break, here our numbers eight sixty six Talk Gun.
I'm Tom Gresham and this is Gun Talk.
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Talking with Blake vegaez in the next couple of weeks
because he is now running for the US Senate, running
against Senator Bill Cassidy, and I think he would be
a really good Canada. I'm kind of excited about having
a chance to talk to I mean, you got a
world champion shooter running for the US Senate. That's pretty
neat all right, let's go to line five. Kyle's with
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us out of Florida. Hello Kyle, thanks for your patience.
You got a couple of questions for me, Go for it.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
Yeah, I'll try and make them quick. First off, I
bought the at a local small gun show, the actual
Stier scout, the Cooper original with oh yeah the scope
rings and the Leopold nice so all original only you know,
I didn't get the box or any of the original paperwork.
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But I called Stier in Alabama, real nice people, real
easy to In fact, I bought some extra five round
bags for it.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Okay, yeah, they're in Birmingham, yeah, uh Bemer.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, bestmer Yeah just outside of there.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 11 (13:11):
Anyway, the guy, the older gentleman Hoff even gave me
a military discount and I think paying and real nice people. Anyway,
I asked them about changing out my original barrel because
I sent the action to Silencer Central and to have
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the barrel of threaded so I could put a suppressor
on it. Okay, banished thirty anyway, they measured it and
it was too thin. Ala fires Scout two has a
threaded barrel and they can put one on, they said,
labor and everything about five twenty five. But am I
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gonna take away from the the natural you know, all
original value by switching out that barrel?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, two thoughts on that. One is that you ought
to make the rifle what it you wanted to be.
So if putting a different barrel on it makes it
what you want to be, now that's the value to you.
But the other thing that's nice about that is if
all you're doing is swapping out the barrel when you're ready,
if you want to sell it, make it more original,
just put the other barrel back on.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
Well, I'd have to send it back to them because
switch it out or I couldn't even You got to
have expertise to get that barrel lost of that action.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, well you can, I mean, and you can always
do that. You can have that you know, redone. You
keep the original barrel and you can put it back on.
But here's the thing, Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't worry about it.
My whole deal is make the gun what you wanted
to be. Don't worry about resell value. You're probably not
going to sell it anywhere. You're probably going to hold
onto that thing forever because you're going to really like it. So,
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you know, put the barrel on that you can get threaded,
put the you know, the pressure on it, and use
it the way you want, Okay, Roger.
Speaker 11 (15:04):
And the other question was, I've ended up with, you know,
quite quite a few safe and quite a few firearms.
I would really love to have a computer program that
I can catalog everything with, maybe pictures and you know, accessories.
I know I can design something and excel, but I
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didn't know if there was something out there that was
already ready to go.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, the probably is I am the least organized person around.
No one has ever asked me to organize anything after
they've seen my desk, so I'm probably not the person
to ask. But what we're gonna do is we're going
to toss it out because somebody's going to say, oh, yeah,
there's a program for that, and it's designed specifically for
taking care of your guns and putting them in there,
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or you can do this or that. I don't know
what it is, but so let's do this. Let's you
and I both ask for help on this one.
Speaker 11 (15:58):
Yeah, I didn't know if you were cataloging all of
your firearms at your range, you know, you know, when
having you know, Yeah, they oh.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, they've got yeah they yeah, they've got to set
up for that down at the range in Louisiana. But
I'm up in Idaho, and so I keep a list
of everything on a big yellow pad, legal pad, and
I scribble on it in Longhand that's my organization, which
is what's why nobody ever asked me for help on that.
So oh wait, wait, Jim sending me a note right now,
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gun track dot app gun t R a C T
tracking your guns as a t K okay gun t
R a c K gun track app.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Uh take a look at that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Look that up and see if that does before you see,
I knew somebody would help me, but I just didn't
know his Jim, because he's usually not that helpful. So
what can I tell you, Kyle? I appreciate the call.
Let's do the Yeah, we still got Now we've got time, Maurice.
Let's get Maurice in here. We've got about a minute
or so. Hey, Maurice got you on, but we're short
on time, so dive into it if you could, please.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
Okay, I've been waiting a week to talk to you
about this. This is the Civilian Marstership Program. They're releasing
some nineteen elevens again, and I'm just astounded that, first off,
they want eleven hundred bucks for the junker models and
the mixed parts. They're you know, everything I've ever known
about guns, the value of them. Well, I can't understand
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what's the value of these guns? That's my great shooters.
They got mixed parts, they're they're not all cults. I'm
just kind of confused, what what's what's the deal here?
Eleven hundred bucks you buy a durn Good nineteen eleven
that shoots good with a lot of modern features.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I think you figured it out that the deal is,
don't buy it if it doesn't pay any appeal to you.
Just always like they're offering something that you don't want,
And so why would we stress about somebody that's offering
something do you think is overpriced?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You don't want it?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Just like that's a that's an easy solution. Don't buy it,
just get something else.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I just I had a Remington ran a number of
years ago that I want a chicken shoe, go soil?
What a chicken shoe with? And it wasn't that great
a shooter, but it wasn't any value because it wasn't
the cult, you know, And and now the selling reasons
are all mixed ball. I just don't understand the value,
that's what, because it goes against everything. It was just
like this guy before was talking about changing out the
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barrels and changing the value, you know, and here's these
guns are ninety eight percent uh, mixed parts and some
of them commercial parts, not military. So you know what what.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I can't help me?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, I mean, I mean, I think you have figured
it out and you've arrived at the conclusion, which is
it doesn't have any value for you. It may have
value for somebody else.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And I'm in there.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't care category on this. It's like if somebody,
if somebody wants to charge a bunch for something that
I don't think has any value, knock yourself out. N
Let's see if anybody wants to buy it, and if
they do, then I've been proven wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So there you go.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Roberts the way, I just don't know why this is
bothering me so much.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, that's what I'm wandering.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I said, just walk away, go get something else. Look,
I appreciate the call. Yeah, yeah, no, I gotta keep
moving here. Speaking of nineteen eleven, we did take a
look on the gun Talk website. Actually go over to
rains Ready Studios dot com. Ryan just posted some more
classes and they're doing one of these experiences.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And let me tell you what that is.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
This was a concept that Ryan came up with as
gun writers, as people who write about do videos and
things and podcasts about guns, we get invited to events,
media events. The gun makers will introduce a new gun
or new product, and we get invited and we get
to shoot it, and we get wined and dining, and
we get to you know, they'll put cool optics on
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it and have cool holsters and we get to do
all this stuff. Now, we don't usually get to take
the gun home, but we get to go experience this.
So we said, well, let's do something like that so
people can see what it's like to have that gun
writer experience. So he came up with this experience concept.
So he's got a new and just posted and it
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is Mark Reddle from Colt, head of their profession's shooting team,
and Wyatt Gibson and Jay Lease and Justine Williams, the
Williams sisters, and they are going to be the instructors
along with Chris Erno and his instructor Cadre. It's going
to be awesome. And you get a Colt high end
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nineteen eleven pistol, the AMMO is provided, the holster is provided,
the red dot site is provided, the mag pouch is provided,
and at the end of the class.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You keep it all.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You keep the pistol, the red dot, the holster, the
mag pouch, and you got all the AMMO as part
of the cost of the class. It's astounding value and
it's a full gun writer type experience. So if you
go to range Ready Studios dot com, take a look
at that. So the question I would have, having just
spend a little bit of time with Bill Lobridge over
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at Cylinder Slide where they make fabulous ninety elevens and
all these parts in your mind, is the nineteen eleven
still viable? Is it relevant? Is it something you're interested in?
And if so, caliber choice nine milimeter or forty five interesting?
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I mean I had kind of thought maybe the market
was moving away from forty five and more toward than nine.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And it probably is.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And yet I keep running into people who say, you know,
I really liked the forty five.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
That's what the gun was designed around.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
And you know meah, I could get a couple more
rounds maybe in it in nine, but I like the
forty five.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
So where do you follow on that?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Also, when I come back, I'll tell you how I
screwed up in ambo selection, why the wrong AMMO doesn't
really work well in the right pistol. Hey, let's keep
talking about guns, because well that's what we do around here.
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I'm Tom Gresham and this is, in fact a gun talk.
Glad that you could be with us. We're kind of
all over the place because well, I can't hold a
thought that long. If there's something on your mind has
to do with guns, by all means, give us a shout.
If you've got a question about a carry gun, sure
we could talk about that. Speaking of carry there's an outfit.
It's a small outfit. They make really good holsters. I
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learned about them through Tiger McKee from Shootright. Of course
we lost Tiger. I don't know two three, years ago.
I guess now it's called a Holster, the A Holster Company.
I mean it's like, okay, really that simple, a holster
dot com. They make really good high end kay Deeks
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carry holsters and range holsters. I like it because they're
very thin, easy to conceal, and fairly innovative. They got
some really good pocket holsters for evolvers that really are
slick and work really well. And he's just started making
some speed strip loaders.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
They're slick.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So I mean the name of the company is A
Holster and the website is a holster dot Com. I
don't have any well, I was going to say I
don't have any financial affiliation with them, but that's not
true because I actually buy everything at retail price from him,
and I just bought another box box O Hosters holsters.
I would like to say, I think I got three
or four new holsters from him, just because I got
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different guns, and you go, okay, I got to have
some guns some holsters for that, oh oh oh tip
for you. I guess on all holsters, but I'm thinking
specific about Kayitex here. If you're like me and you
end up having a number of different handguns and a
number of different holsters, and then you're going back and going,
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what gun is this holster for? I mean, it just
looks like a holster. Now I got to sit there
and try to try different guns in it. So I
have started taking a sharpie and on black holsters, I
use a silver sharpie. On gray holsters, I use a
black sharpie and I write on the inside of them
what model pistol it is for, and then I can
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just pick it up and go, oh, that's for the
ruger or exam, or that's for the smith the M
and P, or that's for the this or the that whatever.
So just kind of a tip for you. It doesn't
take you long when you start doing this to end
up with a bunch of different holsters for a bunch
of different guns, and now you're unsurest of which holster
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goes to which gun. Now you may have a better
way to look at that, up a more organized I
told you I wasn't organized, a better way to handle that.
So just food for thought for you.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Uh, let's go.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Line four. Jim is with us out a Denim Springs, Louisiana.
Hey Jim, what's going on down in the Southland?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Oh, wonderful, great things. But I was just wondering if
I could put a red dot on a five hundred
Smith and Wesson break barrel New England armed rifle.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Sure wouldn't know why not? What would be the issue?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I'm just wondered if it would just break apart and
say it kicks like a mule. Oh okay, yes, it
just is ruined. A couple of scopes seem like to
me because they run off and stuff, and I just
wonder if that way.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You know what, Okay, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And I'm thinking probably for that because of the recoil
and everything, you would probably want to go on a.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Real high end red dot.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Uh. You know, don't be looking around one hundred dollars range.
You need to be looking at the five hundred six
hundred dollars range for the dot, which you know it's
pretty expensive for that. But at the same time, I'm
just gonna say, I'm thinking, I wonder what the gun costs,
and that would be more than the gun, but right,
and you know, I know people who will spend more
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on the scope than they did on I mean a
lot more on the scope than they do on a rifle.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
That's true, but a red dot, unless it's very expensive,
may not work.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well, I'm I don't know. The good news is the
red dots weigh like less than an out, so you
don't have much weight there, so you don't have much
inertia working against you. Uh, clearly, I mean something like
a tragic on should hold up, Jim saying, or just
get one hundred dollars red side and a red dot
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and you know you're not going to need that many
shots anyway for shooting up with a five hundred one
or two shots are to take care of it, that's
for sure.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
I have a one hundred dollar red duce. I may
just throw one on there and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I would.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Now I'll call you back.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, you know what, almost all of them come with
a guarantee. And if it just comes apart and break,
send it in and say, hey, replace this, and then
you'll know next time, don't put it on that rifle.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, I got a bad habit to keep it old
boxes so that I probably still got the red dot boxes.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
There you go, Well, let us know how it goes.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
All right, I will do that, thank.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
You much, Hey, you bet I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, recoil single shot lightweight gun in a five hundred
Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's like I was telling that fella earlier.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I said, you know, if you got a single shot
lightweight rifle in a forty five seventy and I've shot those,
oh my gosh, they hurt. I mean, I'm not particularly
recoil sensitive. And I get you to three thirty eight
or even a three seventy five h and eight rifle
for a while, and you go, Okay, I'm getting beat
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up and all. But then there's a different level of recoil.
There's the owl that hurts. It's like, okay, not just wow,
that really kicks, No, it's like owl. I mean that's
like that costs pain. And you get to a four
pound rifle, which some of these little single shots are,
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and you get them all set up with a forty
five seventy or a five hundred Smith and Wesson, Jeez,
they're just not fun. I mean, ultimately, that's what you
end up with is and go, you know, that's just
that's just not fun. Speaking of that, I was thinking
of fell online, was writing. I was just trying to
help him out, and he's shooting thirty five Whalen, and
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he bought some AMMO from a company, an ammal company
that just I don't know if it went out of business,
who actually got purchased by another bigger company.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You may know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But his AMMO, the thirty five whaling AMMO, and he's
chronographing it, checking the velocities. It's going two hundred, two
hundred and fifty feet per second, faster than they said
it would, So I mean, this is going a lot faster,
higher velocity. And he said in the bolt was bolt
handle was sticky, which means it was hard to lift.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Two things. One is the only well basically ended up
being one thing. The only way you get more velocity
is to have more pressure. And when you start getting
a sticky bolt handle, as real owners know, it means
you have really exceeded the pressure level. So on a
thirty five Whalen, your pressure should be a maximum of
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sixty thousand psi. And if you're getting really sticky bolt lift,
you're probably at seventy or even eighty thousand psi. And
the point I'm trying to make here is this was
factory ammo. We have a tendency to say if it's
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factory AMO, it has to be safe. If it's factory AMO,
it has to be good. And there was a time
maybe when that was true. Generally, we have so many
different outfits making AMMO now, and particularly on the less
expensive side. There it's a race to the bottom on price.
Some of it is just not very good. Some pistol
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AMMO is just lousy. It shoots all over the place.
And my point is, and this would be the takeaway,
if you're shooting factory AMMO and something doesn't seem right,
including your troubleshooting, the possibility that there's something wrong with
the AMMO. It's not you, it's not your gun. And
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if it seems like it's kicking more than it should,
or the velocity is definitely higher than it should, or
you're getting a sticky bolt lift in your rifle, you
got too much. Sure, stop shooting the AMMO. There's something wrong.
Listen to that bell that's going off in the back
of your head. And guns are strong, and maybe you
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get away with it, but maybe you don't. So just
be aware and be alert and be skeptical. And if
it feels like there's something wrong, there probably is. Do
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Which means that hunting seasons just around the corner. Actually,
in some places they're actually have hunting seasons open right now.
You get it to Alaska, they're hunting in August. And
there's always the question of you know, what caliber, what cartridge,
what rifle?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
What do I use this year?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
One of the things I find is that and I'm
not I'm not exactly sure where it comes from. And
I think it's kind of a newer phenomena. Maybe I
call it the weather be idea of Roy Weatherby came
up with the idea of more velocity, shooting, longer, shooting, harder, hitting,
harder magnum calibers people want magnums.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You don't really need a magnum shoot almost most of the
stuff we hunt. If you're hunting deer or elk, antelope, whatever, deer,
white tail doesn't matter. You know, you're basically thirty out
six two seventy and sixty five creed More works just fine.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
What doesn't work? Fine?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
People say, well, if that works, then I'll get a
magnum that works even better. Actually, it doesn't work that way.
I mean, look, if you can shoot it, well fine,
and everybody thinks they could shoot it. Well I'm rolling
my eyes here. You can't see it, but i am.
Everybody thinks they're great shots. Yeah, no you're not. Probably
you don't shoot enough to master shooting with a lot
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of recoil. And you're thinking it doesn't bother me, Well
yeah it does. Actually, so when you go to a
seven mag or a three hundred mag and three hundred
bags kicked like crazy, chances are you're not going to
shoot him as well. Do you think we have? But
it's more powerful. You would better be a lot better
off going to a light recoiling cartridge. It's shooting it better. Frankly,
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most people which be better off shooting a two forty
three on deer than they would a seven mag And
I know people are thinking two forty three. Yeah, Actually,
if you want to take it too ridiculous levels, you
can actually go to a two two three where it's
legal and probably do. Just find inside of three hundred yards.
And speaking of the range, the craze for long range shooting,
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long range hunting, I'm going to get a cartridge where
I can shoot those high BC bullets. And I said, well, really,
you so what's your average shot where you are? Well,
you know, we can't really see more than about one
hundred hundred and twenty yards in the woods. Okay, you
could be shooting a brick, a square brick. It would
work fine at that range. You don't need a cartridge
that has high BC bullets and fast twist barrels. You
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just don't. But what if I get a long shot. Okay,
what's a long shot there? Three hundred yards? Great, you
still can shoot a brick. It doesn't matter. I mean, really,
this all falls under my category of we tend to
worry about the wrong things and everything in life, and
I think that's true here. And let's go talk to
Kenny online too, out of Arizona, Kenny, talk to me
about AMMO here.
Speaker 12 (36:52):
Yes, sir, tom My dad was an AMMO inspector. He
was graduated from the Ammunition Inspector School and so then
Illinois about the time my sister was born in nineteen fifty.
He inspected a lot of ammunition and afterwards and he
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said that when you come within ten percent of the
specifications listed, you were doing quite well. Most of it
was well below ten percent of everything that the specimens
they took apart and inspected and weighed and the projectiles.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Et cetera, was.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Very very good.
Speaker 12 (37:35):
If they could get within ten percent of the specifications.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And what I'm wondering that I mean, and that was then.
I think it has changed and I think we have
a lot more AMMO now that is variable.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And look, I appreciate the call. I know that's the
case on.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
A lot of the cheapest pistol AMMO, the handgun ammal
you buy and we tend to buy on price a
thousand rounds, I want to get it at twenty two
cents a round for nine or whatever. And the only
way they can make money doing that is to do
plate loading, which just dumps powder in and you might
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get all sorts of variations in the powder, and so
you end up with AMMO that's not as accurate as
it could be should be, and you even get some
that may not go off, or you may get squib loads.
It's just kind of where we are, this race to
the bottom of buying the cheapest AMMO we can buy.
You know where they say when you buy cheap, you
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get cheap, and so there's a little bit of that.
And look, I'm as guilty as anybody. I buy the
cheap stuff, by the case, but I also know that
it's probably not the most accurate AMO. And if you're
shooting for competition, that's one thing. If I'm shooting for
my life for self protection, I'm going to buy the
good stuff. I'm gonna spend whatever it takes to get
AMO that works well every time that I could count on,
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because hey, I'm betting my life on it. I did
a thing. I'm on the trip right now. I'm in
Nebraska and traveling out here, flying on the airlines. I'm
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checking a bag because I'm checking my pistol, and I
grabbed a couple of because I already had it loaded.
Of course, but now I had to unload it obviously
to check it on the airline, and so I needed
a couple of boxes of AMMO in factory cartons, factory boxes,
and rather than try to find a box to put
the am I regular CARRYMO and it, I just grab
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a couple more boxes off the shelf and so up
through those in my bag. I've got the downloaded gun.
I traveled. Everything's fine, go through TSA. Get here, start
loading up and loading bag. Everything's fine, start loading the
second MEG and went hum, I didn't look right. I
didn't feel right. Something's not right. That's when you know
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the alarm bells go off. You go, okay, stop, figure
out what's going on here. Well, I had one box
of nine million Ramo and I had one box of
three eighty same manufacture, same look on the packages, and
they were stacked one on top of the other on
my shelf.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
My mistake.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I get here and I've got enough nine million
Ramo for one magazine, and then I got three eighty AMO,
which is not going to work, okay, And I really
do want to have a second magazine loaded and on
my belt pouch with me at all times. Am I
ever going to need that I don't know. I hope not,
but if I need it, I'm going to need it
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more than anything in the world. It's like I needed
a parachute and not having it. So go to a
drive around. I went to like three different stores. First
one was closed, second one didn't have any amos. Actually
a pawn shop, gun store, and they said, yeah, go
over to Tweets, cool place. Tweets in Columbus, Nebraska. Take
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a look at Dave as the owner there. Go in,
start shooting the breeze with him, and turns out he
knew ray El jem My buddy who I was here
to do the celebration of life for him. So we
started swapping stories. But he had a number of different
options there, different brands of AMMO, and I just picked
one out, got a box and loaded him up, got
him in a mag but save the box so when
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I go back, I can unload them and put them
back in the factory boxes and put them in the
in the suitcase where I'm going back. I have a
locking case inside the suitcase. It's actually not a big
deal traveling with your gun. When you travel on the airlines,
the magazines are unloaded, the gun is unloaded, and the
AMMO is either in like one of those plastic MTM
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type cases or in the original factory boxes. It works
just fine. It's not a big deal. It is a
bit of a pain.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
It is.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
It adds to the trip and adds through the complication.
And there have been times when I say, you know,
do I really want to do that, and I really
committed to doing that, and each time I say, okay,
the inconvenience is minor versus the inconvenience of running into
a situation where you're thinking, I am now the dumbest
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person on planet Earth because I did not bring my
gun with me, and right now I need it. And
when you need it, as we say, you need it
more than anything in the world. And so since I
know how to shoot, can shoot, been through the training,
and I have good guns, the idea of not taking
it with me seems completely irresponsible. I mean really literally irresponsible,
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not just to take care of myself, but to take
care of my family, maybe to help somebody else who's
getting hurt. That's not my role in life, but I'm
certainly willing if necessary or in the case of as
we would talked about earlier in the show, an active
shooter shows up, what are you going to do? I mean,
if you wait for the police, people are going to die.
That's what he's there to do. So you got to
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take action. Now, you gotta get involved. Seconds count I
like that phrase, every second counts. So yeah, I take
it with me travel and next time I'm gonna be
a lot more careful about making sure I pick up
the right AMMO, because I'm glad there was a good
gun store around here. Thank you Dave, Thank you tweets.
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That was a good place. Hey, get out and do
some shooting this week. Give me a howler right now.
If you're goanna be a part of the after show,
we're gonna have some fun there as well. In the meantime,
be safe, watch those muscles, be careful with those public ranges,
and if it doesn't feel right, vacate the premises. Meantime,
thanks for being here. We'll see you next week right
here on Gun Talk