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-- Drones for school security? A Texas company says it will work. Taylor Worthington explains the concept.
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-- Drones for school security? A Texas company says it will work. Taylor Worthington explains the concept.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, I'm glad you're still with me because I am
still talking about guns. Tom Tom Gresham and this is
gun Talk. Glad you could be with us if you
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call eight six six Talk gun or Tom Talk Gun. Okay,
we talk occasionally regularly about school shootings, and we know
(00:37):
a lot of things that don't work. We've tried a
lot of things that don't work. We have a few
things we know that do work in terms of stopping
him as fast as possible. That is an orange person
on the scene rather than calling the cops. But hey,
we're always open to new ideas and let's try to
find something new. And this one, this one caught me
(00:58):
by surprise. I was not prepared for this, using drones
to stop school shooters. We're joining right now, by Taylor Worthing. Taylor,
you got to tell us who you guys are and
what this thing is all about Okay, Yeah, thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Tom, appreciate the opportunity to be on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So we are.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We're a company based in Austin, Texas. We're called Campus
Guardian Angel, and what we do is we put drones
prepositioned in schools ahead of time on charging boxes. These
drones carry effects that are less lethal, so pepper spray
the drone itself, sirens or any distractionary device that we
(01:40):
might have. And our goal is if an active shooter
walks into a school, we can remote in take control
of those drones in five seconds. We can engage the
shooter in fifteen seconds, and then degrade, delay and potentially
incapacitate the shooter within sixty seconds. All we're doing is
trying to buy those critical seconds and the time we
need for law enforcement to show up.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
And take care of business.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, and you know, we all understand the time is
the issue. Ed Monk in his great book Thirty Seconds
After It talks about it's time and it's it's math.
It's the longer it goes on, the more people get shot,
and so the shorter the period of time, then you
save more people. And we've always thought, well, somebody onseen
(02:23):
who shoots or shoots at this mass shooter active shooter
can stop this, but I'd never imagined the idea of
using drones. All right, Well, first of all, let's back up.
Who are you guys?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, so we're We've got a kind of an interesting
team of different people that have come together from a
few different walks of life here. So we've actually got
our founder who's very British. He actually has been in
the States though and then Texas for about over twenty years,
so he can, y'all.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
If you talk to me, just how of y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But he came from a cryptology background, so working with
some of our nation's highest secrets and documents getting those
access on public are excuse me, on cell phones. And
then we actually we have a thirty two year veteran
of the Navy Seals as our chief Tactics officer. So
he spent the majority of his career, nineteen years of
that on Seal Team six. Actually spent four years after
(03:20):
that as the Force Master Chief of all of Maple
Special Warfare, so he was senior and listed overall Naval
special Warfare. And then we've got top tier drone racing talent.
So if you don't know that drone racing is a sport.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
It is.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's actually been broadcast on things like ESPN and MSNB
Sports nationally here in the United States and internationally.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So we've got four.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Of the top ten US drone racers that are on
our staff. So we have a mix of law enforcement, military,
and then drone racing technology and then the people who
can actually program everything to make it all work together.
Speaker 8 (03:57):
So that's who we are.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Like I said, we're based in Austin Techs and you know,
our goal is again to help close the gap and
help those critical seconds of when a.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Mass shooting happens.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
People are saying, how would you possibly fly a drone
through a building? Well, if they've seen drone racing, that's
what they do. They fly. These drones is incredibly fast,
unbelievably fast through offstional courses. I mean going down the
hallway of a school would be child's play for these guys.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So that we really had a couple of choices when
it comes to doing CQB with drones. We could either
take people that are incredible at what they do in
law enforcement and SLAT and military have that kind of
training and tactics and understanding of shooters and how it works,
and try to teach them how to fly drones as
dynamically as these people do. Or we could go the
(04:47):
other way and we take professional drone racers who have
long tens of thousands of hours on drones and we
teach them how to do CQB. And as you know,
being a training organization, you know, affiliated with gun Talk
as well, it's a lot easier to train somebody to
do CPD than it is to try to keep Yeah, all.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right, so explain to me how this works. Your preposition
drones at a school and then to get an alert.
But you would have to have these drone racers sitting
in chairs ready to go at a moment's notice, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
That's exactly right, yep.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So here in Austin we're building out operations centers, so
we've got a few of them so far. We have
a staff of about eleven people that sit in these
operation centers. Just like ad T, we kind of liken
ourselves to ad T security response, but with teeth right,
we actually bring an impact to the to the response itself.
So this this operation center, the pilots are there, we've
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got a commander that is in charge of the response,
somebody with a law enforcement and military background that can
help with target, target identification, clearance for appliance, applying effects,
et cetera. And then we've got liaisons that are actually
talking to stakeholders within this response, the law enforcement, any
medical that might be responding to the same district, employees, students, staff,
(06:07):
teachers at the school themselves. What we're trying to really
accomplish with this, and part of the technology that we
bring is in a vacuum of information, when a school
shooting happens, a lot of chaos ensues, and so bringing
a higher level of situational awareness of this is what's happening,
this is where the threat is, and this is who
we can send there to take care of it. It
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really buys that time and really shortens the time between
when an event happens and when law enforcement can show up.
For example, if.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I can see that for like, you know, in terms
of surveillance and seeing what's going on, But you're talking
about putting some type of munitions maybe non lethal, but still,
I mean, what would you be putting on these drones?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
The drones themselves are actually probably one of the best
things that we have because we aretional proof of concept.
We actually did some role playing with some threat actors
from form of Delta Squads some feels as well that
we're hopping in there, and pretty much all of them
said that they would get overwhelmed pretty quickly with three
drones buzzing around their head, and it really distracts from
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that ooda loop. You know, their goal when they walk
in is to cause chaos and to put rounds down
ranged into soft targets. If they're dealing with drones, if
they're shooting at the drones, if they're distracted, if they're disoriented,
then that enough is enough to cause enough disruption in
their mission to where seconds are bought. We do bring
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less lethal effects on the drones, so we can come
in and you know, set off a siren, a big
flashing strobe, defensive strobes. We also can deploy pepper balls
off the drones themselves, so we have a co two
based launcher that we can actually do less lethal similar
to like a pepper ball or a saber fern a gun.
And then honestly the drone itself can be a weapon too.
(08:00):
If they're just not giving up. If you know, they
fought through pepper spray, which you all, I'm sure you've
been pepper sprayed. I've been peper strayed. It's not a
fun experience. But if they are continuing to try to
do harm, we can actually use the drone itself as
a weapon and run into the shooter at high speed.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Man, let me explain. I mean, this is not your
average hobby Dji drone. These things can go like sixty
miles an hour, that's.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Correct, yep. Yeah, So these are purpose built for this mission.
We actually build them here in America, so we are
manufactured and assembled in America, and you know, we design
them to be resilient, but we also designed them to
be a triatable.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We have the goal of putting thirty to even one
hundred or more drones depending on the size of school,
the property that we're protecting. And if we lose one,
it's just a hunkle plastic. It's not of human life,
it's not a person. So we can continue to hop
out of that one and just go into the next
one and fly it. Shoot that one down, will hop
(09:01):
out and fly a different one. So waves of these
coming at you.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
You may be able to fight.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Through three, you know, three drones, a couple of waves,
et cetera. But wave after wave after wave, just constantly
degrading and buying time.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So okay, right, and we don't have a lot of
time left. Do you have these in any schools and
what's the proposition in terms of putting these downto schools?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, So we actually have a pilot program in Florida
that we're working through right now. So Governor DeSantis approved
a line item in their budget gives us just just
over half a million dollars for a pilot deployment and
three public schools in the state of Florida. We're also
in contracts and negotiations with some schools in Texas, in Colorado,
(09:44):
and a couple other states across the US. And then
we have some commercial opportunities as well that we're looking at.
So we will be deploying closer to the end of
the year here and we're going to start going through
those pilot programs and really starting to understand how, you know,
how this works, and eventually the will be in every
school in America.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Amazing. The website is Campus Guardiananngel dot com people can
take a look at that see the video. Taylor. I
really appreciate your time here. It's fascinating what you're doing.
And as you maybe it's one more arrow in our
quiver and I'd look forward to seeing how this develops
and where you guys go with it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Thank you so much, Tom, appreciate the time you bet it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
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Thank you out with that. Appreciate that. Let's go grab
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Speaker 8 (13:14):
Hey, Robert, Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, the wrong abbreviation about that.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
No, that's perfectly fine, and I'm proud to have been
brought on after kid New introduced. I'm honored, sir, about
these drones in the schools. I can see that that
might be a necessary evil. At the same time, as
(13:45):
I told your screener, God bless her, she's a wonderful
little lady. Drones can be hacked.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, yeah, anything could be happed. I mean, I guess
you know, and we could all come up with a
list of reasons where we're thinking, Okay, this is a vulnerability.
Although he says they've got really good cybersecurity people working
on this, here's a question for you, and I always
do that, well, what if, you know, would this really work?
Here's the question. If you can distract this person so
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that the police are now arriving, or a janitor or
a teacher with a gun is now arriving, and you
can buy thirty seconds or a minute or two minutes
while that person's not shooting kids. I'm not sure that's
a bad thing, is it.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
No? I agree that's not a bad thing. But if
the drone can be hacked and it calls attention to
say the saal things of the building, and the guy
comes in on the north end.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well yeah, and I'm sure that is something that's being considered.
If you've got high end cybersecurity people working on this,
you know they don't And I don't know what activates it.
If it's like it takes a phone call or if
they've got a probably a button that the principal or
sistant principal somebody hits and says, hey, we've got an attack,
and then that activates the whole thing. Don't know how
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it works, and no doubt it's still a work in progress.
And although the what IF's it's good for us to
be doing those, it's good for them to be doing that.
And I don't know if this is like a goofy idea.
I don't know if it's a boondoggle just to make money.
But at the same time, it's somebody looking at the
problem from a different angle. And I'm not going to
(15:39):
try to shoot it down trying not to have a
pun here without saying, Okay, let's take a look at
and see what it does. There you go. I mean,
I just I don't know. I'm looking and I would
encurase people. Go take a look at the video. Look,
thanks for calling the Campus guardiananngel dot com. Take a
(15:59):
look at this video they have there. Look, I get it.
That's promotional and they're trying to make money and they
they're advertising for fundraisers and people who can go talk
to legislators and all of that. That's how it works.
Have no idea what the cost is. And at this point,
I think, at this point it is more concept than
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anything else. And you know, I mean, we know what works,
but let's back up. Okay, what works? We say, well,
shooting the active shooter works, okay, or shooting at the
active shooter works. Okay, So what we're really saying is
that intervening before the police can get there works. Okay.
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I think we're agreed on that the intervening in some
form of fashion something that makes this person stop shooting kids.
I can see this not just in schools. I can
see this in corporate environments. Jim and I were talking
about it here the break, You said, man, he says,
you know, in a corporation, big company, big buildings, another
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layer of security, will it work? I have no idea.
It was just, you know, it was out there and
interesting enough. It caught my attention. I said, Yo, let's
do this. Let's let's have him on, have him talk
about that. So I don't know what. Oh yeah, churches,
that's a good thought. And again and may be way
(17:32):
too expensive for churches. Don't know, and we ran out
of time. We'll get it back on. We'll find out.
And I'm sure that at this point they probably don't
even know what the cost would be, but we'll find out.
So interesting stuff. I refer to the ed Monk book
and I will keep sending people back to take a
(17:53):
look at that. It is so good. But I would
encourage you to get a cop maybe get two copies.
It's the high level is First thirty Seconds, and it's
available on Amazon. First thirty Seconds by ed Monk. There
are some ripoffs there. The people have copied him and
(18:15):
tried to say ed Monk's First thirty Seconds, that's not
the book. No, it's just First thirty Seconds. It's a
lot of research about what has gone before, what we
know works, what doesn't work, and what he's run into.
In terms of pushback, there are people who don't think
we should use violence to stop violence, just the very idea,
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and they'll say, your violence is never the answer. What, No,
that's silly. Of course it's the answer. If violence wasn't
the answer, you wouldn't call the police. You would call
the dog catcher or a librarian or a social worker.
But when somebody is breaking into your home, that's not
who you call. You call someone to bring violence, or
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at least the possibility of violence. And so that's basically
what ed Monk's book is about, is applying violence quickly
because it's time. And look, every encounter is time, whether
you're talking about church shooting or school shooting, or a
person who's breaking into your house or a person who
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is coming up to you to assault you. Time is
a big factor here. It's one of the reasons I
talk about being situationally aware. Well, what does it get
you when you are situationally aware, when you are looking
around and seeing what's going on and paying attention, it
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gets you time. It allows you to see a bad
situation developing earlier than other people are seeing it. What
does that time do for you, Well, it might allow
you to exit, to get away, say okay, everybody, get up,
let's go, we're leaving the rest now, come on, let's go.
(20:07):
But the movie's not done. Get up right now. I
don't like what's going on down there. We're moving because
you were aware of what's going on. Understand here's the
thing that we do. Understand that. You may make a
wrong call on that. You may say we're getting out
of here. It turns out it wasn't really going to
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be an assault or an attack or a bad situation.
You gotta be okay with that. You got to be
okay with saying okay, I don't know if that would
have gone south, but it didn't feel right and we
had to leave. That's always a good decision. It's like
for pilots, and I equate the to a lot because
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there are a lot of similarities. Sometimes you look at
the weather and say, you know, that's just no. I
don't like the this today. We're not flying today. We're
not going to make this trip today. I'm sorry, We're
just not going to and you cancel the trip, maybe
an hour or two ahead, and then turns out the
weather it's not as bad as you thought it might
have been. The danger is you second guessing yourself later
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and saying, oh, wow, well we could have gone, And
the next time you say, I remember, you know I
got canceled last time and we could have gone, So
it looks bad this time, I'm just going to go anyway.
The danger is and you saying, well, I called an
emergency exit before, and so this time I'm just gonna
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let it go further and not do that because I
don't want to embarrass myself. You've got to be okay
with these decisions. You got to give yourself permission to
make these decisions, and that situational awareness is buying you time.
Time is such a critical factor, and it may be
time to escape or maybe time that you need, and
maybe it's two seconds or three seconds that you need
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to get your gun out and protect yourself and your family,
and that two or three seconds may be what saved
your life and the lives of your family. Time is
such a critical factor. Pay attention to it. Hey, we're
(22:24):
talking about guns. You can too. Just give me a
call it, Tom talk gun. Alan did that out of
Kansas City, Colorado, Line one.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Hey, Alan, Hey, Tom, good to talk to you.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
I listen to you every week.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Thank good. So how can we help you?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Okay? In the state of Colorado, I was told that
black potter is legal for a convicted selling to own.
Is that right or wrong?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It depends on the state, and I don't know the
rigs in Colorado, but you generally speaking, uh, black powder
firearm is not actually a firearm by ATF standards, and
so yes, I have been told that conducted felons can
in fact have a black powder gun.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Okay, all right, he told me about the same thing. Yeah, No,
it's only different. Only difference you said if the felity
was violence involved, or you know, if the vis it's
a drug charge or something like that. Uh, it didn't apply.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't know about that, and I'm before you certainly
don't want to listen to me. I'm not a lawyer.
I don't play one on TV. But uh, what I
my understanding is that black powder guns are not actually
firearms according to ATF definitions, and because of that, felons
(23:54):
can own them. But again, I would definitely want to
check the state regulations and dig a little bit deeper
into it before I went on that.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
All right, good deal, thank you, so I appreciate that.
Let's Bret Brett, he's in Oklahoma. Hey Brett, you're on
gun Talk. You got lost to talk about.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Good afternoon, Tom. Nine millimeter kerts is what we should
be calling the three eighty. It's a nine millimeter short short.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's like, hey, it's like ku rt z, right.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Yeah, that's like seven point sixty five browning also known
as thirty two ACP, you know, but you know, seven
point sixty five browning sounds a lot more, you know, manly,
I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Let me make sure if people understand what we're saying.
The three eighty ACP cartridge is exactly the same cartridge
as the nine millimeter kurts k u rt z. And
that's you know, when you get a German gun. It
will be marked in nine kurts and it but it's
still three eighty okay, so at least people up to
speed now with us.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
Okay, there's a second thing. I was wanting to request
that new fancy gun pull Ruger combo gun. They need
to make that in forty five with the interchange the
mags with the PCC that Ruger oh has, because I
(25:26):
have the five to seven that's my carry gun, and
I have the five seven PCC as well as the
forty five, and I like the interchangeability of AMMO and mags.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Tell me why you went with a five to seven cartridge.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
It's a smoke and hot round, no recoil, and I
can carry twenty rounds on my person with backup another
twenty or a thirty, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And the pistols are very lightweight, which amazed me. They're
not terribly small, but they're really lightweight.
Speaker 11 (26:09):
The five to seven feels like a forty five almost
it almost, you know. The angle of the grid angle
is so wonderful, you know, and like laser combo.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh yeah, and you're right, it is a smoking, hot round.
You're looking at better than two thousand feet per second.
Out of a pistol and you put it in a
car being you're going to pick up another three or
four hundred feet per second. It's an amazing round and
not much recoil, loud us all get out. But there
you go, that's just what you're going to get. Hey, look,
I appreciate the call, sir, And yeah, you know, I often,
(26:48):
and I apologize, I often forget to bring up the
five seven as an option. Everybody, to the last person
I'm thinking about right now, everybody I know who's ever
gotten one has been delighted. Not just like wow, I
really like that. It's like they just can't stop talking
about their five to seven pistol and carving the same thing.
(27:11):
But the pistols are amazing and take them to the range.
They they shoot very fast. The velocity is really high.
People ask you, but would you use it for self defense?
Would it be a good self defense round? And I'm thinking,
why wouldn't it. You got a high velocity round and
(27:33):
you can get different kinds of AMMO for it. And
I know people are still hung up on the well
g wasn't introduced to be to pietrate body harbor that
AMMO is not available to civilians. It's strictly a military
and police round and it's very restricted, so you can't
get that. So that's out. Don't worry about that. That's gone.
And the other part of it is and look it's
not secret. I'm not giving away anything here. It's pretty
(27:57):
much all rifle rounds will go through soft armor. So
just what it is. So that's no different from any
other rifle round. But a five seven pistol if you
get a chance, go into a gun store where you
can actually pick one up and handle it. And you know,
Smith has a Ruger has it. Other people have pistols
(28:18):
made for the five seven cartridge. Handle it, take a
look at it. See what you think. I think you'd
be impressed. Oh wow, that's cool. I'm looking out the window.
An egoist flew buy. Oh sorry, I just it's like,
oh wow, squirrel cool, Sorry about that, just went right
by the window. Well on that note, you know, god
bus America. Let me take a break. That was just
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It's some interesting comments on x about our interview with
the drone guy, Taylor Worthington, talking about this drone program
put into schools, churches, corporations, whatever. Charlie, my buddy, has said, hey,
I'm interested in that. Well, Charlie's just the kind of
guy who could do investments and something like that. And
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if there's somebody else that wants to get involved in that,
they certainly can as well. Pretty cool stuff. I don't
know if it's going to work, but as I look
at it, I think, you know, it could work. So
that's enough. It's enough to start. I have an idea
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that I have expressed a lot with the folks I
work with, with the companies that we've started, and my
approach on a lot of things, and I got this
from a former employer, is that you just start, You
get an idea and you say, well, let's we're not
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going to take it to the end before we decide
to do it. Let's just go in and start the project.
Let's take a step and then look around and see
what it looks like. And if we like what that
looks like, then let's take another step. I mean, certainly
there's a certain point where we say, Okay, we're committed.
But I kind of liken it too. When you're hunting
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and you're walking through the woods and you're moving really,
really slowly. Every time you take a step, you have
a different view of everything. You now can see around
a tree, you now can see that shooting lane, and
you now can see this other thing. And then you
take another step and things look different. And I realized
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that maybe a strained analogy, but at the same time,
it's what I have used on a lot of the
projects that we've done. I mean, I created the first
TV show about self defense with guns. Let's called Personal
Defense TV. I create. We did a TV series about aviation,
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we called it Wings to Adventure. We just start, just
get it started. We created a radio show about guns,
and then from that we created a number of TV
shows about guns and shooting, and then we created this
incredible facility down in Louisiana where we have seventeen thousand
square foot building and shooting ranges and TV studios and
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classrooms and indoor shoot houses and on and on and on,
just by taking the first step. So is this drone
thing going to work? I don't know, but they're taking
a step and you see how it works. It's kind
of interesting. By the way. Over on Twitter, I keep
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calling it Twitter, but it's X now. Comments are starting
to come in from my idea, my proposal, my suggestion
for President Trump, and I'm curious how you react to that.
My idea is real simple, it's very simple thing. And
they talk about literally being done with the stroke of
(34:03):
a pin. What do you think would happen if President
Trump is shooed a presidential proclamation and named the AR
fifteen as America's rifle, ar America's rifle, right, And of
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course that would be the gun that a lot of
folks on the left are trying to ban, a very
popular gun, certainly in common use for lawful purposes. But
if you were to declare that America's rifle, well, first
of all, the media would go crazy, and the gun
managers would go crazy, and the left would go crazy,
but then again, that's all the same group. But it
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would start a conversation. It would allow perhaps maybe people
to have a fuller understanding of the ar rifle, of
the platform that has been around for more than half
a century, that it's used by millions upon millions of
people for lawful purposes, safely, responsibly. Maybe, or maybe the
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primary advantage is just that it would set the media
on fire for a few days. Maybe that's enough. I
don't know. Let's go talk to Joe. He is in
New Jersey online one, Hey Joe, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Hey Tom, just to tip A couple of months ago,
I got my first nineteen eleven. Loved the gun, but
it came with a comfortable but ugly black rubber grips.
And I know we shouldn't really care how our guns look,
but these were just the ugliest things. So like, looked around,
found some really beautiful g ten grips online, so one pair,
(35:47):
you know, for less than twenty bucks, grip panels and gorgeous.
Put them on. But they were so finely machined when
you grabbed them hard, you know, to get a good
grip on the gun, they literally hurt your hand. Yeah,
that's how now. And for those who don't know, G
ten is is kind of like a ceramic. It's very
very rigid. You tap it, it sounds like a plate.
(36:08):
It's there that hard. So I looked online and about
you know, sanding down the sharp edges on the pattern,
and then people said you can do that, but you
shouldn't breathe the g ten dust is very bad for
your lungs. I just took them off. And if you
go to home depot, do you know what a sanding
sponge is what they use for sheet rock to get
the sure Yeah, it's a little bought a little sanding
(36:30):
sponge for five bucks and a bowl of water. Took
the grip panels off, went over the kitchen sink and
at about a minute each just kind of buffed buffed
each grip with that little wet sanding sponge and I
put them back on the gun and oh it's magnificent.
I mean the difference a minute worth of buffing took
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on those panels.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
What you're doing is you're knocking the points off of
the checkering off the little diamonds out there and just
kind of rounded them off ever so slightly, ever.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So slightly and only tons. It was five bucks for
the standing sponge and a minute worth. Well, I guess
it's another minute per grip to take bye by. The
grips came with new screws, a little rubber washers, you know.
It was, you know, for less than twenty bucks.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
There's aditional benefit from what you did. And I'd love
to get your take on this is it When you
went from the rubber grip panels to the g ten
they generally are thinner, So the grip became a little
bit thinner and I can really tell the difference, and
I like that thinner feel on nineteen eleven grip. What
(37:38):
do you think?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, this is Tom. You're one hundred percent correct. And
even if it wasn't, just for the appearance, I much
prefer the thinner again. And they are as you know, Tom,
they are ceramic and they're really thin, but they're not fragile.
I've dropped the gun, you know, and they don't crack,
or at least I haven't been able to crack mine.
But yes, they are much thinner. If you lay them
(38:01):
side by side on the kitchen table, one next deal
that you can see the difference in height or thickness
between the G tens in the black rubber.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, exactly right, And I agree with you. And there
are these thinner grip panels that call them scales or
grip panels you can put on your nineteen eleven. And
I would recommend that anybody that has a nineteen eleven
at least entertain the possibility and look appreciate the call
A good call. Yeah, you can get G ten. You
can get a lot of things. You can get like
fake ivory, which is pretty cool, really nice looking. For
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a few dollars. You can dress up your gun. You
could even have different ones for different occasions, different colors.
You can get blue and red and surround you know,
white and everything else. It's just it's pretty neat. You
start looking up what you can do. You could accessorize
your pistol. And as they said in the Steel Magnolia's
the only thing that separates us from the animals is
our ability to accessorize. Yeah. I always love that one. Besides,
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it's a nineteen eleven post a tweak at all the time,
and do stuff to it. I'm Tom Greshen. We'll be
right back with more gun talk. Hey, you know you
can call us right now, and we can put you
into the after show. You can be a part of
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that iconic part of Gun Talk. Give me a call
of eighty sixty six Talk Gun. Let's see here. Rob
has joined us. Hey Rob, what are you talking about here?
You got your Remington?
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Yes, sir, I've got well, I've got two remendends. I've
got questions about Hoko, which I acquired from my dad
in the eighties where I was still a kid. He
bought an old Remington seven sixty, not seventy six hundred,
but the seven sixty right to seventy from an old
man who couldn't hunt anymore.
Speaker 11 (39:49):
And I've never.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Hunted anything under the Upland game. And I've recently made
a contact that Scott's quite a bit of land in
the coastal hills of California, and I'm wondering would this
be a good pig gun? And should I eventually step
it up to you know, deer and maybe elk as well.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Absolutely it would work for all of those. The two
seventy would work for pigs, deer, and elk. And you're
an Upland bird hunter. Okay, here's a tidbit. And nobody
knows that you'll love. The seven sixty rifle was based
on the Riminton twenty eight gauge pump.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Okay, all right, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's pretty neat,
and so I'm sure it's more than an accurate than
I am. But there's no issues there versus a more
modern gun. For I mean, I wouldn't you should have
past three hundred.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Anyways, it's probably fine, but you know what, there was
no point in us guess and just take it out
to the range and see what it'll do.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Okay, I have one more question for you, and I
this might have done one related to that gun. The stock,
the butt stock has a probably about a two inch
crack starting from the receiver end. I'm assuming that could
potentially affect its accuracy place to stocks that correct.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, you might need to replace it, but you might
be able. A gunsmith might be able to just use
uh basically epoxy in there. They can support that stuff
in there and then squeeze it down using surgical tubing
or something. And so I would take it to a
gunsmith and say, hey, can you can you just fix this?
You may not want to be thrown a lot of
money at it, but if they can repair it? Why not?
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Well, that's a great idea. I mean, it's a pretty
cool gun. I love the way it looks. You know,
if I could keep it looking the way it is now,
I would. You know, it's kind an old red field
scope on it that oh nice right on the top
and the bottom too.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Oh yeah, body, it's the TV screen for me. Yeah,
it looks like a TV screen.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one more question.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
If you have the time for it barely all right,
you're thirty seconds, go okay.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
The other one I have is a remit at eleven
hundred I got for my dad. I use that for hunting.
But apparently there's an older and a newer series. When
I ordered a new gas ring for it, uh, the
gas room didn't work. I think it's because it's for
a newer is that's not right? And where could I
find an old one?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It could be for the eleven eighty seven. Contact the
folks at Brown els A's b r own el s
brownails dot com. Give them a shout, ask to speak
call them on the phone during the week. I asked
to speak to one of their texts. They've got gunsmith's
on staff and you give them the information on the
gun and they will get you the right part.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Hey, thanks Tom, I appreciate all your help and on
enjoy your show.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, thank you very much. Those pump rifles are very cool.
The one that got away from me, by the way,
was a rumined in seven sixty and thirty five Whalen.
I always thought that was such a cool gun. We
got it in for a write up for one of
the magazines I was writing for. Could have purchased it,
didn't and always regretted it. CARS thought that a pump
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rifle and thirty five way and it would be like
the coolest elk gun, be pretty neat. It doesn't mean
I can't get one now, but I'm kind of on
a lightweight rifle kick and these are not particularly lightweight.
So there you go. So you know, if you're enjoining
us again, as I say, for the after show, give
me a call now. We can do that. In the meantime,
get out to the range, take somebody with you. I
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love that idea. They had the bachelor party that all
went out and shot a match together. That was fun.
Watch out for those old guys with revolvers. They get
out shoot you a lot of times, especially if their
first name is sharing, you gotta be careful about that.
In the meantime, go out and have some fun. Take
a cool gun with you, take an old gun with you,
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, I'm glad you're still with me because I am
still talking about guns. Tom Tom Gresham and this is
gun Talk. Glad you could be with us if you
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call eight six six Talk gun or Tom Talk Gun. Okay,
we talk occasionally regularly about school shootings, and we know
(00:37):
a lot of things that don't work. We've tried a
lot of things that don't work. We have a few
things we know that do work in terms of stopping
him as fast as possible. That is an orange person
on the scene rather than calling the cops. But hey,
we're always open to new ideas and let's try to
find something new. And this one, this one caught me
(00:58):
by surprise. I was not prepared for this, using drones
to stop school shooters. We're joining right now, by Taylor Worthing. Taylor,
you got to tell us who you guys are and
what this thing is all about Okay, Yeah, thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Tom, appreciate the opportunity to be on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So we are.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We're a company based in Austin, Texas. We're called Campus
Guardian Angel, and what we do is we put drones
prepositioned in schools ahead of time on charging boxes. These
drones carry effects that are less lethal, so pepper spray
the drone itself, sirens or any distractionary device that we
(01:40):
might have. And our goal is if an active shooter
walks into a school, we can remote in take control
of those drones in five seconds. We can engage the
shooter in fifteen seconds, and then degrade, delay and potentially
incapacitate the shooter within sixty seconds. All we're doing is
trying to buy those critical seconds and the time we
need for law enforcement to show up.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
And take care of business.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, and you know, we all understand the time is
the issue. Ed Monk in his great book Thirty Seconds
After It talks about it's time and it's it's math.
It's the longer it goes on, the more people get shot,
and so the shorter the period of time, then you
save more people. And we've always thought, well, somebody onseen
(02:23):
who shoots or shoots at this mass shooter active shooter
can stop this, but I'd never imagined the idea of
using drones. All right, Well, first of all, let's back up.
Who are you guys?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, so we're We've got a kind of an interesting
team of different people that have come together from a
few different walks of life here. So we've actually got
our founder who's very British. He actually has been in
the States though and then Texas for about over twenty years,
so he can, y'all.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
If you talk to me, just how of y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But he came from a cryptology background, so working with
some of our nation's highest secrets and documents getting those
access on public are excuse me, on cell phones. And
then we actually we have a thirty two year veteran
of the Navy Seals as our chief Tactics officer. So
he spent the majority of his career, nineteen years of
that on Seal Team six. Actually spent four years after
(03:20):
that as the Force Master Chief of all of Maple
Special Warfare, so he was senior and listed overall Naval
special Warfare. And then we've got top tier drone racing talent.
So if you don't know that drone racing is a sport.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
It is.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's actually been broadcast on things like ESPN and MSNB
Sports nationally here in the United States and internationally.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
So we've got four.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Of the top ten US drone racers that are on
our staff. So we have a mix of law enforcement, military,
and then drone racing technology and then the people who
can actually program everything to make it all work together.
Speaker 8 (03:57):
So that's who we are.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Like I said, we're based in Austin Techs and you know,
our goal is again to help close the gap and
help those critical seconds of when a.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Mass shooting happens.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
People are saying, how would you possibly fly a drone
through a building? Well, if they've seen drone racing, that's
what they do. They fly. These drones is incredibly fast,
unbelievably fast through offstional courses. I mean going down the
hallway of a school would be child's play for these guys.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So that we really had a couple of choices when
it comes to doing CQB with drones. We could either
take people that are incredible at what they do in
law enforcement and SLAT and military have that kind of
training and tactics and understanding of shooters and how it works,
and try to teach them how to fly drones as
dynamically as these people do. Or we could go the
(04:47):
other way and we take professional drone racers who have
long tens of thousands of hours on drones and we
teach them how to do CQB. And as you know,
being a training organization, you know, affiliated with gun Talk
as well, it's a lot easier to train somebody to
do CPD than it is to try to keep Yeah, all.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right, so explain to me how this works. Your preposition
drones at a school and then to get an alert.
But you would have to have these drone racers sitting
in chairs ready to go at a moment's notice, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
That's exactly right, yep.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So here in Austin we're building out operations centers, so
we've got a few of them so far. We have
a staff of about eleven people that sit in these
operation centers. Just like ad T, we kind of liken
ourselves to ad T security response, but with teeth right,
we actually bring an impact to the to the response itself.
So this this operation center, the pilots are there, we've
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got a commander that is in charge of the response,
somebody with a law enforcement and military background that can
help with target, target identification, clearance for appliance, applying effects,
et cetera. And then we've got liaisons that are actually
talking to stakeholders within this response, the law enforcement, any
medical that might be responding to the same district, employees, students, staff,
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teachers at the school themselves. What we're trying to really
accomplish with this, and part of the technology that we
bring is in a vacuum of information, when a school
shooting happens, a lot of chaos ensues, and so bringing
a higher level of situational awareness of this is what's happening,
this is where the threat is, and this is who
we can send there to take care of it. It
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really buys that time and really shortens the time between
when an event happens and when law enforcement can show up.
For example, if.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I can see that for like, you know, in terms
of surveillance and seeing what's going on, But you're talking
about putting some type of munitions maybe non lethal, but still,
I mean, what would you be putting on these drones?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
The drones themselves are actually probably one of the best
things that we have because we aretional proof of concept.
We actually did some role playing with some threat actors
from form of Delta Squads some feels as well that
we're hopping in there, and pretty much all of them
said that they would get overwhelmed pretty quickly with three
drones buzzing around their head, and it really distracts from
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that ooda loop. You know, their goal when they walk
in is to cause chaos and to put rounds down
ranged into soft targets. If they're dealing with drones, if
they're shooting at the drones, if they're distracted, if they're disoriented,
then that enough is enough to cause enough disruption in
their mission to where seconds are bought. We do bring
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less lethal effects on the drones, so we can come
in and you know, set off a siren, a big
flashing strobe, defensive strobes. We also can deploy pepper balls
off the drones themselves, so we have a co two
based launcher that we can actually do less lethal similar
to like a pepper ball or a saber fern a gun.
And then honestly the drone itself can be a weapon too.
(08:00):
If they're just not giving up. If you know, they
fought through pepper spray, which you all, I'm sure you've
been pepper sprayed. I've been peper strayed. It's not a
fun experience. But if they are continuing to try to
do harm, we can actually use the drone itself as
a weapon and run into the shooter at high speed.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Man, let me explain. I mean, this is not your
average hobby Dji drone. These things can go like sixty
miles an hour, that's.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Correct, yep. Yeah, So these are purpose built for this mission.
We actually build them here in America, so we are
manufactured and assembled in America, and you know, we design
them to be resilient, but we also designed them to
be a triatable.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
We have the goal of putting thirty to even one
hundred or more drones depending on the size of school,
the property that we're protecting. And if we lose one,
it's just a hunkle plastic. It's not of human life,
it's not a person. So we can continue to hop
out of that one and just go into the next
one and fly it. Shoot that one down, will hop
(09:01):
out and fly a different one. So waves of these
coming at you.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
You may be able to fight.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Through three, you know, three drones, a couple of waves,
et cetera. But wave after wave after wave, just constantly
degrading and buying time.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So okay, right, and we don't have a lot of
time left. Do you have these in any schools and
what's the proposition in terms of putting these downto schools?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, So we actually have a pilot program in Florida
that we're working through right now. So Governor DeSantis approved
a line item in their budget gives us just just
over half a million dollars for a pilot deployment and
three public schools in the state of Florida. We're also
in contracts and negotiations with some schools in Texas, in Colorado,
(09:44):
and a couple other states across the US. And then
we have some commercial opportunities as well that we're looking at.
So we will be deploying closer to the end of
the year here and we're going to start going through
those pilot programs and really starting to understand how, you know,
how this works, and eventually the will be in every
school in America.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Amazing. The website is Campus Guardiananngel dot com people can
take a look at that see the video. Taylor. I
really appreciate your time here. It's fascinating what you're doing.
And as you maybe it's one more arrow in our
quiver and I'd look forward to seeing how this develops
and where you guys go with it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Thank you so much, Tom, appreciate the time you bet it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You take care all right? Eight six six talk gun.
This is interesting. I am fascinated. I would love to
get your tank. What's your immediate reaction to this idea?
Be right back.
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Tom Gresham, a salute to you, because when you do
gun talk, you are fanning the flames of Second Amendment absolutism.
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Thank you out with that. Appreciate that. Let's go grab
Robert line to you out of Alaska.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
Hey, Robert, Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, the wrong abbreviation about that.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
No, that's perfectly fine, and I'm proud to have been
brought on after kid New introduced. I'm honored, sir, about
these drones in the schools. I can see that that
might be a necessary evil. At the same time, as
(13:45):
I told your screener, God bless her, she's a wonderful
little lady. Drones can be hacked.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, yeah, anything could be happed. I mean, I guess
you know, and we could all come up with a
list of reasons where we're thinking, Okay, this is a vulnerability.
Although he says they've got really good cybersecurity people working
on this, here's a question for you, and I always
do that, well, what if, you know, would this really work?
Here's the question. If you can distract this person so
(14:21):
that the police are now arriving, or a janitor or
a teacher with a gun is now arriving, and you
can buy thirty seconds or a minute or two minutes
while that person's not shooting kids. I'm not sure that's
a bad thing, is it.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
No? I agree that's not a bad thing. But if
the drone can be hacked and it calls attention to
say the saal things of the building, and the guy
comes in on the north end.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well yeah, and I'm sure that is something that's being considered.
If you've got high end cybersecurity people working on this,
you know they don't And I don't know what activates it.
If it's like it takes a phone call or if
they've got a probably a button that the principal or
sistant principal somebody hits and says, hey, we've got an attack,
and then that activates the whole thing. Don't know how
(15:15):
it works, and no doubt it's still a work in progress.
And although the what IF's it's good for us to
be doing those, it's good for them to be doing that.
And I don't know if this is like a goofy idea.
I don't know if it's a boondoggle just to make money.
But at the same time, it's somebody looking at the
problem from a different angle. And I'm not going to
(15:39):
try to shoot it down trying not to have a
pun here without saying, Okay, let's take a look at
and see what it does. There you go. I mean,
I just I don't know. I'm looking and I would
encurase people. Go take a look at the video. Look,
thanks for calling the Campus guardiananngel dot com. Take a
(15:59):
look at this video they have there. Look, I get it.
That's promotional and they're trying to make money and they
they're advertising for fundraisers and people who can go talk
to legislators and all of that. That's how it works.
Have no idea what the cost is. And at this point,
I think, at this point it is more concept than
(16:20):
anything else. And you know, I mean, we know what works,
but let's back up. Okay, what works? We say, well,
shooting the active shooter works, okay, or shooting at the
active shooter works. Okay, So what we're really saying is
that intervening before the police can get there works. Okay.
(16:47):
I think we're agreed on that the intervening in some
form of fashion something that makes this person stop shooting kids.
I can see this not just in schools. I can
see this in corporate environments. Jim and I were talking
about it here the break, You said, man, he says,
you know, in a corporation, big company, big buildings, another
(17:11):
layer of security, will it work? I have no idea.
It was just, you know, it was out there and
interesting enough. It caught my attention. I said, Yo, let's
do this. Let's let's have him on, have him talk
about that. So I don't know what. Oh yeah, churches,
that's a good thought. And again and may be way
(17:32):
too expensive for churches. Don't know, and we ran out
of time. We'll get it back on. We'll find out.
And I'm sure that at this point they probably don't
even know what the cost would be, but we'll find out.
So interesting stuff. I refer to the ed Monk book
and I will keep sending people back to take a
(17:53):
look at that. It is so good. But I would
encourage you to get a cop maybe get two copies.
It's the high level is First thirty Seconds, and it's
available on Amazon. First thirty Seconds by ed Monk. There
are some ripoffs there. The people have copied him and
(18:15):
tried to say ed Monk's First thirty Seconds, that's not
the book. No, it's just First thirty Seconds. It's a
lot of research about what has gone before, what we
know works, what doesn't work, and what he's run into.
In terms of pushback, there are people who don't think
we should use violence to stop violence, just the very idea,
(18:39):
and they'll say, your violence is never the answer. What, No,
that's silly. Of course it's the answer. If violence wasn't
the answer, you wouldn't call the police. You would call
the dog catcher or a librarian or a social worker.
But when somebody is breaking into your home, that's not
who you call. You call someone to bring violence, or
(19:03):
at least the possibility of violence. And so that's basically
what ed Monk's book is about, is applying violence quickly
because it's time. And look, every encounter is time, whether
you're talking about church shooting or school shooting, or a
person who's breaking into your house or a person who
(19:25):
is coming up to you to assault you. Time is
a big factor here. It's one of the reasons I
talk about being situationally aware. Well, what does it get
you when you are situationally aware, when you are looking
around and seeing what's going on and paying attention, it
(19:46):
gets you time. It allows you to see a bad
situation developing earlier than other people are seeing it. What
does that time do for you, Well, it might allow
you to exit, to get away, say okay, everybody, get up,
let's go, we're leaving the rest now, come on, let's go.
(20:07):
But the movie's not done. Get up right now. I
don't like what's going on down there. We're moving because
you were aware of what's going on. Understand here's the
thing that we do. Understand that. You may make a
wrong call on that. You may say we're getting out
of here. It turns out it wasn't really going to
(20:30):
be an assault or an attack or a bad situation.
You gotta be okay with that. You got to be
okay with saying okay, I don't know if that would
have gone south, but it didn't feel right and we
had to leave. That's always a good decision. It's like
for pilots, and I equate the to a lot because
(20:54):
there are a lot of similarities. Sometimes you look at
the weather and say, you know, that's just no. I
don't like the this today. We're not flying today. We're
not going to make this trip today. I'm sorry, We're
just not going to and you cancel the trip, maybe
an hour or two ahead, and then turns out the
weather it's not as bad as you thought it might
have been. The danger is you second guessing yourself later
(21:19):
and saying, oh, wow, well we could have gone, And
the next time you say, I remember, you know I
got canceled last time and we could have gone, So
it looks bad this time, I'm just going to go anyway.
The danger is and you saying, well, I called an
emergency exit before, and so this time I'm just gonna
(21:39):
let it go further and not do that because I
don't want to embarrass myself. You've got to be okay
with these decisions. You got to give yourself permission to
make these decisions, and that situational awareness is buying you time.
Time is such a critical factor, and it may be
time to escape or maybe time that you need, and
maybe it's two seconds or three seconds that you need
(22:01):
to get your gun out and protect yourself and your family,
and that two or three seconds may be what saved
your life and the lives of your family. Time is
such a critical factor. Pay attention to it. Hey, we're
(22:24):
talking about guns. You can too. Just give me a
call it, Tom talk gun. Alan did that out of
Kansas City, Colorado, Line one.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Hey, Alan, Hey, Tom, good to talk to you.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
I listen to you every week.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Thank good. So how can we help you?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Okay? In the state of Colorado, I was told that
black potter is legal for a convicted selling to own.
Is that right or wrong?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It depends on the state, and I don't know the
rigs in Colorado, but you generally speaking, uh, black powder
firearm is not actually a firearm by ATF standards, and
so yes, I have been told that conducted felons can
in fact have a black powder gun.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Okay, all right, he told me about the same thing. Yeah, No,
it's only different. Only difference you said if the felity
was violence involved, or you know, if the vis it's
a drug charge or something like that. Uh, it didn't apply.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't know about that, and I'm before you certainly
don't want to listen to me. I'm not a lawyer.
I don't play one on TV. But uh, what I
my understanding is that black powder guns are not actually
firearms according to ATF definitions, and because of that, felons
(23:54):
can own them. But again, I would definitely want to
check the state regulations and dig a little bit deeper
into it before I went on that.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
All right, good deal, thank you, so I appreciate that.
Let's Bret Brett, he's in Oklahoma. Hey Brett, you're on
gun Talk. You got lost to talk about.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Good afternoon, Tom. Nine millimeter kerts is what we should
be calling the three eighty. It's a nine millimeter short short.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's like, hey, it's like ku rt z, right.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Yeah, that's like seven point sixty five browning also known
as thirty two ACP, you know, but you know, seven
point sixty five browning sounds a lot more, you know, manly,
I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Let me make sure if people understand what we're saying.
The three eighty ACP cartridge is exactly the same cartridge
as the nine millimeter kurts k u rt z. And
that's you know, when you get a German gun. It
will be marked in nine kurts and it but it's
still three eighty okay, so at least people up to
speed now with us.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
Okay, there's a second thing. I was wanting to request
that new fancy gun pull Ruger combo gun. They need
to make that in forty five with the interchange the
mags with the PCC that Ruger oh has, because I
(25:26):
have the five to seven that's my carry gun, and
I have the five seven PCC as well as the
forty five, and I like the interchangeability of AMMO and mags.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Tell me why you went with a five to seven cartridge.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
It's a smoke and hot round, no recoil, and I
can carry twenty rounds on my person with backup another
twenty or a thirty, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And the pistols are very lightweight, which amazed me. They're
not terribly small, but they're really lightweight.
Speaker 11 (26:09):
The five to seven feels like a forty five almost
it almost, you know. The angle of the grid angle
is so wonderful, you know, and like laser combo.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh yeah, and you're right, it is a smoking, hot round.
You're looking at better than two thousand feet per second.
Out of a pistol and you put it in a
car being you're going to pick up another three or
four hundred feet per second. It's an amazing round and
not much recoil, loud us all get out. But there
you go, that's just what you're going to get. Hey, look,
I appreciate the call, sir, And yeah, you know, I often,
(26:48):
and I apologize, I often forget to bring up the
five seven as an option. Everybody, to the last person
I'm thinking about right now, everybody I know who's ever
gotten one has been delighted. Not just like wow, I
really like that. It's like they just can't stop talking
about their five to seven pistol and carving the same thing.
(27:11):
But the pistols are amazing and take them to the range.
They they shoot very fast. The velocity is really high.
People ask you, but would you use it for self defense?
Would it be a good self defense round? And I'm thinking,
why wouldn't it. You got a high velocity round and
(27:33):
you can get different kinds of AMMO for it. And
I know people are still hung up on the well
g wasn't introduced to be to pietrate body harbor that
AMMO is not available to civilians. It's strictly a military
and police round and it's very restricted, so you can't
get that. So that's out. Don't worry about that. That's gone.
And the other part of it is and look it's
not secret. I'm not giving away anything here. It's pretty
(27:57):
much all rifle rounds will go through soft armor. So
just what it is. So that's no different from any
other rifle round. But a five seven pistol if you
get a chance, go into a gun store where you
can actually pick one up and handle it. And you know,
Smith has a Ruger has it. Other people have pistols
(28:18):
made for the five seven cartridge. Handle it, take a
look at it. See what you think. I think you'd
be impressed. Oh wow, that's cool. I'm looking out the window.
An egoist flew buy. Oh sorry, I just it's like,
oh wow, squirrel cool, Sorry about that, just went right
by the window. Well on that note, you know, god
bus America. Let me take a break. That was just
(28:39):
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It's some interesting comments on x about our interview with
the drone guy, Taylor Worthington, talking about this drone program
put into schools, churches, corporations, whatever. Charlie, my buddy, has said, hey,
I'm interested in that. Well, Charlie's just the kind of
guy who could do investments and something like that. And
(31:15):
if there's somebody else that wants to get involved in that,
they certainly can as well. Pretty cool stuff. I don't
know if it's going to work, but as I look
at it, I think, you know, it could work. So
that's enough. It's enough to start. I have an idea
(31:36):
that I have expressed a lot with the folks I
work with, with the companies that we've started, and my
approach on a lot of things, and I got this
from a former employer, is that you just start, You
get an idea and you say, well, let's we're not
(31:57):
going to take it to the end before we decide
to do it. Let's just go in and start the project.
Let's take a step and then look around and see
what it looks like. And if we like what that
looks like, then let's take another step. I mean, certainly
there's a certain point where we say, Okay, we're committed.
But I kind of liken it too. When you're hunting
(32:19):
and you're walking through the woods and you're moving really,
really slowly. Every time you take a step, you have
a different view of everything. You now can see around
a tree, you now can see that shooting lane, and
you now can see this other thing. And then you
take another step and things look different. And I realized
(32:41):
that maybe a strained analogy, but at the same time,
it's what I have used on a lot of the
projects that we've done. I mean, I created the first
TV show about self defense with guns. Let's called Personal
Defense TV. I create. We did a TV series about aviation,
(33:03):
we called it Wings to Adventure. We just start, just
get it started. We created a radio show about guns,
and then from that we created a number of TV
shows about guns and shooting, and then we created this
incredible facility down in Louisiana where we have seventeen thousand
square foot building and shooting ranges and TV studios and
(33:23):
classrooms and indoor shoot houses and on and on and on,
just by taking the first step. So is this drone
thing going to work? I don't know, but they're taking
a step and you see how it works. It's kind
of interesting. By the way. Over on Twitter, I keep
(33:43):
calling it Twitter, but it's X now. Comments are starting
to come in from my idea, my proposal, my suggestion
for President Trump, and I'm curious how you react to that.
My idea is real simple, it's very simple thing. And
they talk about literally being done with the stroke of
(34:03):
a pin. What do you think would happen if President
Trump is shooed a presidential proclamation and named the AR
fifteen as America's rifle, ar America's rifle, right, And of
(34:24):
course that would be the gun that a lot of
folks on the left are trying to ban, a very
popular gun, certainly in common use for lawful purposes. But
if you were to declare that America's rifle, well, first
of all, the media would go crazy, and the gun
managers would go crazy, and the left would go crazy,
but then again, that's all the same group. But it
(34:46):
would start a conversation. It would allow perhaps maybe people
to have a fuller understanding of the ar rifle, of
the platform that has been around for more than half
a century, that it's used by millions upon millions of
people for lawful purposes, safely, responsibly. Maybe, or maybe the
(35:10):
primary advantage is just that it would set the media
on fire for a few days. Maybe that's enough. I
don't know. Let's go talk to Joe. He is in
New Jersey online one, Hey Joe, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Hey Tom, just to tip A couple of months ago,
I got my first nineteen eleven. Loved the gun, but
it came with a comfortable but ugly black rubber grips.
And I know we shouldn't really care how our guns look,
but these were just the ugliest things. So like, looked around,
found some really beautiful g ten grips online, so one pair,
(35:47):
you know, for less than twenty bucks, grip panels and gorgeous.
Put them on. But they were so finely machined when
you grabbed them hard, you know, to get a good
grip on the gun, they literally hurt your hand. Yeah,
that's how now. And for those who don't know, G
ten is is kind of like a ceramic. It's very
very rigid. You tap it, it sounds like a plate.
(36:08):
It's there that hard. So I looked online and about
you know, sanding down the sharp edges on the pattern,
and then people said you can do that, but you
shouldn't breathe the g ten dust is very bad for
your lungs. I just took them off. And if you
go to home depot, do you know what a sanding
sponge is what they use for sheet rock to get
the sure Yeah, it's a little bought a little sanding
(36:30):
sponge for five bucks and a bowl of water. Took
the grip panels off, went over the kitchen sink and
at about a minute each just kind of buffed buffed
each grip with that little wet sanding sponge and I
put them back on the gun and oh it's magnificent.
I mean the difference a minute worth of buffing took
(36:50):
on those panels.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
What you're doing is you're knocking the points off of
the checkering off the little diamonds out there and just
kind of rounded them off ever so slightly, ever.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So slightly and only tons. It was five bucks for
the standing sponge and a minute worth. Well, I guess
it's another minute per grip to take bye by. The
grips came with new screws, a little rubber washers, you know.
It was, you know, for less than twenty bucks.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
There's aditional benefit from what you did. And I'd love
to get your take on this is it When you
went from the rubber grip panels to the g ten
they generally are thinner, So the grip became a little
bit thinner and I can really tell the difference, and
I like that thinner feel on nineteen eleven grip. What
(37:38):
do you think?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, this is Tom. You're one hundred percent correct. And
even if it wasn't, just for the appearance, I much
prefer the thinner again. And they are as you know, Tom,
they are ceramic and they're really thin, but they're not fragile.
I've dropped the gun, you know, and they don't crack,
or at least I haven't been able to crack mine.
But yes, they are much thinner. If you lay them
(38:01):
side by side on the kitchen table, one next deal
that you can see the difference in height or thickness
between the G tens in the black rubber.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, exactly right, And I agree with you. And there
are these thinner grip panels that call them scales or
grip panels you can put on your nineteen eleven. And
I would recommend that anybody that has a nineteen eleven
at least entertain the possibility and look appreciate the call
A good call. Yeah, you can get G ten. You
can get a lot of things. You can get like
fake ivory, which is pretty cool, really nice looking. For
(38:35):
a few dollars. You can dress up your gun. You
could even have different ones for different occasions, different colors.
You can get blue and red and surround you know,
white and everything else. It's just it's pretty neat. You
start looking up what you can do. You could accessorize
your pistol. And as they said in the Steel Magnolia's
the only thing that separates us from the animals is
our ability to accessorize. Yeah. I always love that one. Besides,
(38:58):
it's a nineteen eleven post a tweak at all the time,
and do stuff to it. I'm Tom Greshen. We'll be
right back with more gun talk. Hey, you know you
can call us right now, and we can put you
into the after show. You can be a part of
(39:18):
that iconic part of Gun Talk. Give me a call
of eighty sixty six Talk Gun. Let's see here. Rob
has joined us. Hey Rob, what are you talking about here?
You got your Remington?
Speaker 6 (39:30):
Yes, sir, I've got well, I've got two remendends. I've
got questions about Hoko, which I acquired from my dad
in the eighties where I was still a kid. He
bought an old Remington seven sixty, not seventy six hundred,
but the seven sixty right to seventy from an old
man who couldn't hunt anymore.
Speaker 11 (39:49):
And I've never.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Hunted anything under the Upland game. And I've recently made
a contact that Scott's quite a bit of land in
the coastal hills of California, and I'm wondering would this
be a good pig gun? And should I eventually step
it up to you know, deer and maybe elk as well.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Absolutely it would work for all of those. The two
seventy would work for pigs, deer, and elk. And you're
an Upland bird hunter. Okay, here's a tidbit. And nobody
knows that you'll love. The seven sixty rifle was based
on the Riminton twenty eight gauge pump.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Okay, all right, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's pretty neat,
and so I'm sure it's more than an accurate than
I am. But there's no issues there versus a more
modern gun. For I mean, I wouldn't you should have
past three hundred.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Anyways, it's probably fine, but you know what, there was
no point in us guess and just take it out
to the range and see what it'll do.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Okay, I have one more question for you, and I
this might have done one related to that gun. The stock,
the butt stock has a probably about a two inch
crack starting from the receiver end. I'm assuming that could
potentially affect its accuracy place to stocks that correct.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, you might need to replace it, but you might
be able. A gunsmith might be able to just use
uh basically epoxy in there. They can support that stuff
in there and then squeeze it down using surgical tubing
or something. And so I would take it to a
gunsmith and say, hey, can you can you just fix this?
You may not want to be thrown a lot of
money at it, but if they can repair it? Why not?
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Well, that's a great idea. I mean, it's a pretty
cool gun. I love the way it looks. You know,
if I could keep it looking the way it is now,
I would. You know, it's kind an old red field
scope on it that oh nice right on the top
and the bottom too.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Oh yeah, body, it's the TV screen for me. Yeah,
it looks like a TV screen.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one more question.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
If you have the time for it barely all right,
you're thirty seconds, go okay.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
The other one I have is a remit at eleven
hundred I got for my dad. I use that for hunting.
But apparently there's an older and a newer series. When
I ordered a new gas ring for it, uh, the
gas room didn't work. I think it's because it's for
a newer is that's not right? And where could I
find an old one?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It could be for the eleven eighty seven. Contact the
folks at Brown els A's b r own el s
brownails dot com. Give them a shout, ask to speak
call them on the phone during the week. I asked
to speak to one of their texts. They've got gunsmith's
on staff and you give them the information on the
gun and they will get you the right part.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Hey, thanks Tom, I appreciate all your help and on
enjoy your show.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, thank you very much. Those pump rifles are very cool.
The one that got away from me, by the way,
was a rumined in seven sixty and thirty five Whalen.
I always thought that was such a cool gun. We
got it in for a write up for one of
the magazines I was writing for. Could have purchased it,
didn't and always regretted it. CARS thought that a pump
(42:58):
rifle and thirty five way and it would be like
the coolest elk gun, be pretty neat. It doesn't mean
I can't get one now, but I'm kind of on
a lightweight rifle kick and these are not particularly lightweight.
So there you go. So you know, if you're enjoining
us again, as I say, for the after show, give
me a call now. We can do that. In the meantime,
get out to the range, take somebody with you. I
(43:19):
love that idea. They had the bachelor party that all
went out and shot a match together. That was fun.
Watch out for those old guys with revolvers. They get
out shoot you a lot of times, especially if their
first name is sharing, you gotta be careful about that.
In the meantime, go out and have some fun. Take
a cool gun with you, take an old gun with you,
and try out those lever actions. They always make you smile.
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