November 26, 2025 • 38 mins
Discover the history of Galco Holsters, from its humble beginnings as the Jackass Leather Company to becoming a leading name in American-made leather holsters. Mike Barham shares insights on Galco’s legacy, handcrafted production methods, premium U.S. steerhide, and evolving concealed carry trends—such as the resurgence of revolvers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The story goes that Richard Gallagher, who founded the company,
was interested in leatherwork and he was working basically out
of his living room and a Chicago area police officer
knocked on his door and said, Hey, I hear you
work with leather. Could you make me a holster? So
(00:20):
this was what kind of launched what became the famous
Jackass Leather Company.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. Guntog
Nation is brought to you by t sas Eotech, Kimber
(00:50):
Hodgden and n ra arc Hey. Welcome into guntog Nation.
Today on gun Talk Nation, we're talking with an industry veteran,
a guy who is a shooter, not eligible, and as
Chris Rino described him earlier, has a lot of heart
in a lot of brain. I mean, he's a renaissance man,
and we're going to talk holsters and everything behind a company,
(01:12):
you know. Galco Mike, Welcome in, Man, good to be here,
Thank you, thanks for coming back. You're here for one
of our experience classes, the Cult event.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah yeah, Well I had a great time at the
Python experience that you did last year with the AFR
guys actually learned a tremendous amount about Revolver shooting and
the opportunity for this came up thanks to you, and
we're back and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's awesome. So we've known each other for a long
time and I've been at gunsight with you on numerous occasions. Yep,
I mean you are. How long have you been with Galco?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I started with Galco in two thousand and three, so
twenty two years. Yeah, it's a long time to be
it's been a minute, and yeah, I started. I moved
out to Arizona from Connecticut, which, as I tell everybody,
is a nice place to be from.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, and didn't really have a job lined up.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I had been working in the shooting industry back in
Connecticut for a Tradition's performance firearm and moved to Arizona
without anything lined up. Knocked on the door at Galco.
They hired me as a CSR and just kind of
worked my way up since then, and now I'm the
media and PR manager.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So you wanted to stay in the gun world.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Absolutely. I love the gun world. I love people.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I've been interested in guns since I bought my first
copy of I Think Guns and Ammo back when I
was about twelve years old, and I can still picture
the cover of that magazine. It had an AMT Auto
mag on it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And just been interested in guns ever since. My father
was a police officer and a National Guard officer, and
so I just kind of grew up around guns and
the bug bit me early and it just has never
let go.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I love that, Yeah, I love because I mean, obviously
people know I grew up in this world of guns,
but I mean getting gun digests in where they've got
this thellistical lists of all of the guns and all
of the cartridges and all of the calibers and all
this stuff, and reading the ballistics charts. And it's funny
(03:18):
looking back on that, that was like a strange thing
for a thirteen year old dude to be doing, perhaps,
but I was like so into it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know, you're supposed to be reading Sports Illustrated or
you know whatever when you're that age, or you know,
other magazines. But yeah, I was reading, like you said,
gun Digest, guns and AMMO American Handgun or Combat handguns,
you know all that growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Of course I'm old enough that this was before the Internet,
so you know, we were reading dead dead Tree publications,
flipped the page them over, and you know, waiting for
that first week of the month for the new magazines
to come out, and running down to the convenience store
to buy them and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean I had a truck full of gun magazines
that I would just pour over.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I just thought of this. Do you think that a
twelve or thirteen year old kid would have a hard
time buying a gun magazine? Like if you walked into
a Barnes and Noble today with your own money by yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Not where I live.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, I live in the reddest county of Arizona, which.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Is already a pretty red state.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well it's gotten a little purplish lately, unfortunately, but I'm
in a very red county. I have a Paie County,
and yeah, it wouldn't be a problem there. But if
I went back to Connecticut, if you could find a
gun magazine on the shooting.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well that stand. Yeah, yeah, maybe that would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'll tell you a funny story. So my dad, you know,
my dad and my grandfather wrote for all these magazines
and occasionally when we were in like a grocery store
and walk by the magazine section. We'd stop and look,
and my dad would grab the magazine he was writing
for at the time and grab the whole staff of
(05:00):
them and move them to the front in front of
other magazines and then just walk away.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I love that. I love that. See that's good marketing. Yeah,
that's good marketing. That's that's gorilla market.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It is absolutely one grocery store at a time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I'll have to.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'll start doing that with my book if it ever
appears in a store.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, we should.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know what, let's do it. Let's give a plug
for your book. You're also an author, which I think
most people go, damn Ryan, a book is a crazy
idea and for someone to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So the way that came about my books called many
are called the Lion of Deseret, And like many things,
it came out of COVID and the pandemic. Sure, I
was kind of bored working from home, largely for for Galco,
and just had some extra time on my hands. And
at the time, my wife and I were living in
(05:54):
downtown Phoenix, Okay, and we would go out for walks
and things like that, and there were like three restaurants
open that we could go to, you know, masked up
and all that sit on the street, Yeah, exactly, waiting
for takeout.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
You could have a beer while you were waiting for takeout.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But we would walk around and this previously bustling metropolis
was just apocalyptically empty, no one around, just she and
I walking down.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I mean, we all had those surreal moments.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, And so I started thinking, well, you know what
if this were really an apocalypse, you know, what would
this this city look like? And so I thought about
that a little bit. I started writing a couple of
little short stories, and which I've always been interested in
fiction writing, just never really delved into it very deeply.
But then I got to thinking, well, you know, who
(06:46):
would be the people best equipped and serve to survive
and maybe even thrive in a post apocalyptic environment. And
I thought, well, Latter Day Saints Mormons, Okay, because their
church commands them to keep a year's supply food on hand.
For example, most of the Latter day Saint men I
know are quite well armed, and the church has a
(07:09):
sort of hierarchical command structure already, and it could in
theory function as a replacement for a non existent secular government.
And so once I had the apocalypse and the people
who might survive it, I started writing a short story
about that. And that short story was good enough that
(07:30):
I kept writing it, and I kept writing it, and
eventually I had a three hundred and seventy eight page novel.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It was a long story.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, so it's a long story now. And you know,
I was very blessed in that I was on ex
Twitter and a relatively small religious publisher put out a
call for manuscripts, said I'm I'm going to publish three
manuscripts in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Send me what you have. And so I not thinking.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Much of it, because you read stories of people who've
been rejected forty eighty times with their their first novel.
I sent it to forty North Press and didn't think
much more about it after I sent it. And then
three weeks later, I'm at the park with my wife
and my granddaughter, pushing the granddaughter on the swings, and
my phone buzzes and it's the publisher and he says,
(08:27):
I've only read one hundred pages of your book, but
I love it and I want to publish it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Wow, right out of the gate, like that. I mean,
it was shocking read book. It was. It was a
great day.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And so the book came out in April of this year,
and sales have been good enough that I am the
best selling author at the publisher, Wow, forty North Press.
And I guess we'll find out when I get my
first royalty check how many copies we've actually sold.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah. You kind of just put it out there into
the ether and you just go, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Know, like you know, and the publisher handles a lot
of the marketing, although I've been lucky I've done. I
did a book launch party in Prescott, Arizona. Gun Sight
Academy was good enough to let me do a signing
out there at their alumni shoot.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That went absolutely great.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I was just invited to sit on an author
panel for veterans who are writers.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And so that was just last Monday and that went
great as well. So Yeah, overall, it's been awesome. That's
probably more than you wanted to know about my No.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I love it. But people if they want to pick
it up, if they want to check it out, they
can do that.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, it's you can get it on Amazon. It's called
many are called The Lion of Deseret and it's on Amazon,
like I said.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Or you can order it through the publisher.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Forty North Press is an imprint of a company called
Navu Supply Company and au Voo Dot Supply Okay, and
that's the publisher, and you can get it from there
as well.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I will say you will get a higher quality book.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
If you order it from the publisher than Amazon, because
Amazon does print on demand. Quality is frankly a little uneven.
So if you want a nice quality book, get it
from the publisher.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's a good pro tip.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You know, my dad and my grandfather have written a
few books and then they had their own publishing company,
came to publishing the put out a few under that,
and my dad would tell you, you know, people would say, oh,
how do you sell books? I mean, that's neat. You
write books and how do you sell them? He said, well,
any way you can.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Anyway you can think of, take.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Every opportunity that comes your way, and yeah, talk about
your book. Yeah, I have promotional materials made up. I
gave you a bookmark, so look look at the side
with the cover and not the side with me on it.
You know, yes, but yeah, so just take the opportunity,
says they come. You know, the gun site thing came up,
and you know, I jumped on that and it worked
(10:56):
out great well.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And so you're a PR and marketing guy, so you
can put that into what you do. But I mean
you've been the PR marketing for Galco for quite a
while now.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I took over.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, originally they called my position media liaison and that
was sixteen years ago. And yeah, and like I said,
I had started as a CSR and just kind of
worked my way up and there was the opening came
for us.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
They needed somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
To talk to people like yourself and somebody obviously with
a lot of patients. And so I raised my hand
and I started going around to shooting events and shot
show and NRA show and all that stuff. Dealing with
writers on journalist on a regular basis and all that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It takes patience to deal with us. It does, it
really does well. And you also talked to the public.
You come from, Like you said, you started in customer service.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's the other half, which is like probably.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, wouldn't you say in any company. It's a
great place to start because you learn everything about the product.
You hear what the end user, the customer likes, hates,
what they're confused about all that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
That's one hundred percent right. And at Galco, we actually,
I don't want to force is the wrong word, but
everybody is strongly encouraged to spend time in the customer
service office talking to customers and that you know, even
if somebody's coming on is say the buyer, you know
they'll still work in customer service, uh, you know, for
(12:26):
some time just to get a feel, like you said,
for the experience of the end user and to learn
the product line.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
In and out.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And that's really really an important thing to Galco especially.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know, we have eighty.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Different concealed carry holsters and you need to be able
to inform somebody to discuss all those things.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Holster companies are always I always feel a little bit
bad for Holster companies because the skew number is pretty
wild when you think about it's left handed, right handed,
in different colors outside the ways, different gunfits, different unmodel.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Last time I looked, we had over three thousand SKUs.
It's great time I looked, Yeah, it's a huge amount
to keep track of. You know, and it's easy for me,
but you know, the people who have to do inventory
control and plan production and things like that, Man, Glad
I don't have to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well.
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class happening with Colt and you guys and Sheltechmo and
Vortex Optics and so we've got like twenty shooters and
you were given the class. A little bit of back
ground on Galco, and I mean, there probably is a
thirty minute version, but if there's a five minute version
of this, it's pretty interesting because it wasn't always called
(16:10):
Galco and the first big product was was a big deal.
It became a big deal.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So the company started in nineteen sixty nine back in Chicago,
and the story goes that Richard Gallagher, who founded the company,
was interested in leather work. He was interested in a
lot of things. He was a musician, for example, in
a top forty rock band as really yeah speaking of
like renaissance men, right, yeah, so very interesting guy. But
(16:40):
he was interested in leatherwork, among many other things. And
he was working basically out of his living room and
stitching things for it was nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It was kind of the height of the hippie movement,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So he's making leather bracelets and you know, fringe vests
and leather pants, you know, for the flower children, I guess.
And he's doing this in his living room with a
disassembled Harley Davidson over in the other corner, because that's
one of his other interests. And a Chicago area police
(17:15):
officer knocked on his door and said, hey, I hear
you work with leather. Could you make me a holster.
Mister Gallagher's well, I can research it. Come back in
a few weeks and I'll see what I can come
up with. So at that time, apparently you could still
go into a Chicago area public library and get a
book on holsters or books, and so mister Gallagher did
(17:38):
a bunch of research, came up with the horizontally oriented
shoulder holster.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
The police officer wanted a shoulder holster, showed it to the.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Cop, The cop absolutely loved the thing, showed it to
his buddies in the Chicago Police department in that area,
and suddenly mister Gallagher had a line of police officers
outside his door or wanting him to make a shoulder holster.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's amazing, Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So this was what kind of launched what became the
famous Jackass Leather Company. Jackass Leather, Jackass Leather and what
was originally called Yes, the Famous Jackass Leather Company, and
that was the original holster.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Was it called the famous Yes, Oh I love it.
That's great marketing. Yes you world's best.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yes, the greatest world It was famous.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
World's famous milkshape.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It was at least famous in the Gallagher family at first,
So that was the springboard for Jackass to really become
a holster company. And that original horizontal shoulder holster was
called the Jackass rig. And a little bit later on,
in the early nineteen eighties, it started to work its
(18:49):
way into Hollywood. It first appeared in a James con
movie called Thief, but the big break came with a
little TV show called Miamivice, where it was worn was
kind of what we call a recurring character on the
Detective Sunny Crocket character played by Don Johnson, and he
wore that rig for five years on the biggest cop
(19:10):
show on TV at that time and maybe still the
biggest cop show in the history of television, certainly the
most influential, and so you really can't ask for better
advertising than having your product on the hero of the
show of the most popular cop TV show in history
at that time, so that really rocketed Jackass to fame.
(19:32):
And it was also right around that time that mister
Gallagher moved the company from Chicago to Phoenix for a
variety of reasons business climate, gun climate, and physical climate.
And just as sort of a side note, the arid
desert climate in Phoenix makes holster production a little bit
easier because the holster's dry faster, so we can make
(19:54):
holsters a little bit more quickly in the dry climate.
But in any case, that was when he decided to
changed the name. And there's a funny little story about
the name change in that he said he really decided
he needed to pick something a little more politically correct
because when people would call the company, he'd answer the
phone Jackass, and people would hang up on it.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
They thought they were that he was insulting them. That's awesome.
So he decided to go with Galco.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And you know a little bit of inside baseball is
that people often think that he named it Galco is
Gallagher Company. It's actually not true. It stands for Great
American Leather Company.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh okay, yeah, just a little tidbit.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You know, if you met mister Gallagher, you would realize
that his ego is not nearly big enough for him
to do something like Gallagher Company.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It purely is coincidence. He worked in leather.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
He wanted it to be called the Great American leather company,
and it's that was in the like I said, the
early nineteen eighties, and it's really just been onward and
upward for Galco since then. You know, we've expanded our
manufacturing footprint three or four times since then. We have
a full campus in Phoenix and distribution through dealers, through distributors,
(21:18):
consumer direct, so we do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And you guys have done a lot of different styles
over the years, but best known for your.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Leather, yeah, yeah, And we have done kaitex and nylon,
and we still have some nylon holsters and things like that.
But our Forte is really premium leather, premium steer hide,
horse hide, materials like that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We like to work in natural materials.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, that's got to be a special skill set
that you can't just It takes years, too, I would imagine,
to get good at something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It does, it does, and Galco we're really blessed in
that we have some employees who've been with us thirty
thirty five, even forty years, who moved from Chicago to
Phoenix with the company. Just absolute artisans and craftsmen who
we have one Manuel who has hand molded, at last
(22:16):
count over one point two million holsters for Galco. Yeah,
and you should see this guy's hands. He could crush
your skull with one hand. Yeah, that's amazing. But yeah,
and that was I want to say, we counted that
out like five years ago, so he's done, you know,
many thousands since then. Ian he runs a whole department
(22:36):
of people whose literal job is simply to hand mold holsters.
And we have other people whose job is to cut
holsters and to burnish holsters, and to finish edges and
stitch holsters and all the things that go into making equality.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You were telling us about some of the specialized equipment
for stitching these holsters.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, the stitching machines we have are interesting. The best
machines we found for stitching a thick leather so holsters,
premium belts, things like that where you may have to
punch through two three layers of say seven ounce leather.
The best machines for that are those that were made
(23:16):
early in the last century. So we have harness stitching
machines in Galco that are literally over one hundred years
old that are still in daily use. And these things
are so old that when they break, and of course
given their age they do occasionally break, we have to
make the parts in our machine shop to fix them.
(23:37):
So we actually have a staff, Yes, we have a
staff of machinists even to do things like keep these
machines going. Now, the flip side of that is that
we have dye liss cutting machines that are entirely computerized.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Sure you know, they have an eye that.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Will take a hide overlay shapes of holsters, and then
we'll just use automation to cut those shapes out.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Of the most efficient use of this hide.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It will plot that out right, you have x number
of square feet of hide, lay it on the table,
the machine looks at the shapes that we need to
make that day and just automatically cuts them out. And
then of course they go on to all that handcrafting
that I mentioned, hand stitching, the hand molding, all those things.
But it's an interesting combination of very old world craftsmanship
(24:26):
on one side of the building and extremely modern cutting
on the other.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah. Yeah, as far as leather goes, it mean, is
it mostly cow hide?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Steer hide is what we primarily work, and yeah, steerhide
is thicker, stronger than cowhide. Cowhide is typically a little softer,
more appliable.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So we work largely in premium steer hide, and we
do some with horse hide.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Horse Hide is harder to work with, it's more expensive,
but it makes a great carry holster because it is
so non porous. Oh, it doesn't really absorb more oyster.
A good horse eyed holster has a probably twenty year
service life, maybe more, maybe more. But premium steer height
is a great material as well, also a very long
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service life. And one thing people don't know about Galco,
or it's not widely known, is that we compete for
the top two percent of available domestically produced vegetable tanned leather.
There are only two tanneries left in the United States
that produce the quality of vegetable tan leather that we
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need domestic vegetable tan leather, and there's only two, largely
because the EPA has made regulation so onerous for tanneries that,
like I said, only two of them survive that produce
the quality that we need, and so we have to
compete with upholstery companies and high end women's handbag makers,
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shoe manufacturers and many many companies, all of whom occupy
a premium space, just like we occupy a premium space
in the in the holster business.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That's kind of tricky, I mean, because like a a
women's handbag could be hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Thousands, thousands, thousands. Yeah, yeah, and we produce we have
one of My.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Wife always tells me it was just one hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I think mine sets the same about her shoes. But yeah,
we have to compete with all of those companies. They
are out there in the marketplace, and that can be difficult.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
He's like, a you have a leather guy, like a
like a leather broker.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Well, we have a buyer.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
His name is Tim Okay, Yeah, and that is one
of his jobs is to find these hides and negotiate
for these hides.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Him competing around Texas, just talking to Rain like, hey,
what are you going to do with that steer hide?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, you know, like I said, there's only two of
these places. There's one in Saint Louis and one in
I want to say, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yea, And those are the only.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Two places we can get the leather of the quality
we need that is tostically produced. And the domestic production
is very important to us because we keep everything.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Made in the USA.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know, we source things from in the United States
and we do our manufacturing right in Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So it's great and we.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Have no intention of ever changing that. In fact, going
back to mister Gallagher for a minute, you know, he
told me he rather than offshoring or do you know,
taking manufacturing overseas, he would literally rather close the company.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Wow. Well, let's do this. Let's take a quick break
and we're going to get into some questions about.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Holsters that people have absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know Hodgden, they're the gunpowder people, Hodgden CFE black
or BLK. It's a spherical propellant. It's designed specifically for
the three hundred Blackout cartridge. It also includes their CFE,
their copper fouling eraser ingredient, top accuracy with less barrel
cleaning time. We can all like that. It's also great
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for other small passe cartridges like the six to eight Remington,
the seven six two by thirty nine Russian cartridge. Hodgton,
the Gunpowder people Kimber was recently in the office and
one of the guns that stood out that they brought
by was the next Gen. This is a new custom
two tone nineteen eleven from Kimber and it capitalizes on
the tremendous success of their two K leven and carries
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over several of those features that enhance that gun. It's
got an optics ready slide it has the new custom
two tone, provides flexibility to the shooter looking for a
classic design, and it features a lot of these kind
of new twenty first century features. There's some internal changes
that you can't see, but they include a slope disconnector
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ramp and a GT trigger match grade performance for discerning enthusiasts.
Kimber continues to drive innovation forward with premium upgrades that
deliver customized features right out of the box. So, Mike,
why don't you make a whole for the NAMBOO?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's it's funny you say that, because you know, we
go to the NRA show or the Shot show and inevitably,
you know, somebody will come into the booth or.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
A series of people.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Why don't you make a holster for this, and then
they'll rattle off this incredibly obscure gun that hasn't been
made since nineteen twenty two. Well, you know, sir, the
market for that is is just kind of small. And
you know, in that time we could probably make ten
block holsters, right that we could actually sell.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now, you guys don't do custom like if they if
the guy says, well, I'll pay you for it, I'll
pay you hundreds of dollars. You don't do like one offs.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Right well as as somebody wants in trouble, no, no, no,
And somebody once told me, with the with a sufficient
amount of money, anything as possible, that's right. So, and
we do have a custom shop. Now, our normal custom
capabilities are kind of limited. We can make a holster
for an odd ball barrel length. Let's say, let's say
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you know you have k frame Smith and Wesson with
a I don't know, a seven inch barrel. That's you
know that we don't normally make a holster for. Can
we make that? Sure, you want a different color, we
can do that.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You need a really really big.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Belt or a really really tiny belt, we can do that.
But basically what we'll do is modify existing designs. Now,
if you come with enough money.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I got a Desert Eagle with the sp fire X
three hundred.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I'm talking Sti Lester Stallone money. So if you're Hollywood, yes,
So for example, our custom shop did. If you've ever
seen the movie The Expendables too. Now, in the first
Expendables movie, Stallone used a rig that was made by
someone in Eastern Europe where they had filmed the movie,
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and he was incredibly dissatisfied with it. So when they
were making expendables to the prop master came to Galco
and we're pretty well known in the Hollywood prop industry
for working with them, and we made a comple leaf
from scratch custom rig forced a loan to wear in
the movie. And we've done that over the years. You know,
if you if you go and watch the old movie
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Face Off with Nick Cage and Jane Travolta, you know
Castor Troy's double rig for his nineteen eleven's was that
was a Galco Holster.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So we can't stretch our capabilities. That was a John
Wooll movie.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, So we can't stretch our capabilities like that.
But in the normal day today, our custom shop is
somewhat limited to changes to existing designs rather than a
true one off.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Now, being that you guys are the leather guys, a
couple of questions come to mind. The first one is
people say, what do I need to do to care
for a leather holster?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, so we get two questions about leather holsters, and
it's it's care and maintenance and it's breakin. So, for Karen,
maintenance of a leather holster, basically, you just want to
clean and condition it, you know, just like you'd clean
and condition if you had a nice pair of boots. Right,
you periodically are going to clean and condition. You're your
nice leather boots.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
We sell a product called leather Lotion that you can
use for that, But there are good products you can
buy over the counter, Lexol for example, as a good
leather cleaner and conditioner, and a lot of that is
climate dependent. If you live in a very humid climate
like we have, like where we're sitting now, you can
get away with cleaning, conditioning, moisturizing your holster, you know,
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once twice a year where I live in arid Arizona.
You definitely want to stay on top of your maintenance
a little bit more, even if it's just throwing some
leather conditioner on, you know, three or four times a
year just to keep it from drying out in that
very arid climate. So a lot of that is just
dependent where you live.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Obviously, you guys have done the kaidex thing. You don't
do it now, but you know there's that's a that's
a popular category for holsters. If somebody says, I don't
own a leather holster, but it sounds kind of fun,
kind of interesting, what do you tell somebody if they said,
why would I get a leather holster, or what would
be the things that they would notice if they haven't
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own one before.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
The primary reason to choose a leather holster over a
kaidex holster is that is comfort. A leather holster will
conform itself to the shape of your body over time,
and I don't mean a long time, and I'm not
talking to years. Wear it daily for a month and
it will start to curve and take on the bend
and the shape of your body. Just like if you
wear a leather belt for a time, you notice it
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develops a kind of a curve in it.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
A holster will do the same thing. It will adapt.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Itself to your body a leather holster, whereas kaitex is
the shape it's going to be in the beginning and
for the rest of all time, it will not ever
shape itself to your body. But a leather holster will
do that. And this is particularly comfortable when you're talking
about it. Inside the waistband holster, it will form itself
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a little bit to your body, but even a belt
holster will just take on the curve of your body,
and in that way it really becomes more of a
natural heart of yourself. It's a natural material that conforms
itself to your body, cool and just becomes sort of
one with you.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, I mean thinking
about and I guess you have holsters for different positions
of carry and yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, we have at last count I think somewhere around
eighty different products for concealed and outdoor type carry holsters.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And yeah, we offer them for I mean, our flagship
product is shoulder holsters.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know, going back to that Miamivice thing we talked
about in the original Jackass rig But we offer multiple
multiple options in belt holsters for behind the hip on
the hip appendix carry crosstraw, all those things. We do
that with inside the waistband holsters as well, and then
your more deep concealment options pocket holsters, ankle holsters, belly bands,
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we do all those things. For outdoorsmen, we have chest holsters, yep.
So we do all those things. We've got a finger
in all those areas.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And the truth is, if you're a gun guy or gal,
you need probably you need lots of holster options, right,
I mean, and not saying that you need to carry
a different way every day, but like, yeah, there are
times when a chest rig is the answer. There's a
time when inside or outside the waistband is preferred, I
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mean kind of. It's nice to have those options.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
We use a phrase that I stole from my friend
Masada Ube. He called it a holster wardrobe years ago,
and I thought that was a great turn of phrase,
and so I stole it from mass.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Depending on the circumstances how you're dressed all those things.
In the summer, you may use an inside the waistband holster.
In the winter, you're wearing bulkier clothing typically, and so
you can wear a belt holster that you might find
a little bit more comfortable, might be a little faster
than you're inside the waistband holster, but you can conceal it.
You're going out in well where I live, out in
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the desert, but you know, out in the woods or
anything like that. Yeah, a chest holster is great, you know,
especially you're backpacking anything like that, you're fishing. It gets
it up clear of your your waiters and things like that.
So it is good to have.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Options in your holsters. A holster, wardrobe, holster wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Now, you were telling me about a trend that you
guys are noticing lately as far as and it kind
of follows what we've been seeing. Is in the world
of guns. It's like the way I've said is it's
like people were going back to analog. All these people
are buying vinyl, you know, the people pressing vinyl records
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to listen to music. They can't keep it in stock.
We're seeing the same type of thing in guns. We've
got Lever guns are hot, yep, wheel guns you said
revolvers are crazy right now.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, yeah, So we just pulled sales figures for the
last the last rolling year, and then we went back
and hold from another rolling year before that. To look
at our revolver sales. And if you had asked me
three weeks ago before we pulled these numbers, I would
have said, oh, you know revolvers, Okay, they're they're popular
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with you know, a small group of enthusiasts, So okay,
maybe ten percent of our sales.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I was wrong. Twenty five percent of our sales. A
quarter of sales.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's the big and in what you know, what you
think of as a sort of semi auto world, and
we are concealed carry largely. I mean, ninety five percent
of our business is concealed carry holsters. And to realize
that fully twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Of those sales are revolvers.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean you talk about the revolver renaissance, right, I
mean just last year you had the guys from American
Fighting Revolver out here for the Cold Python experience. You know,
the revolver thing has just absolutely taken off again.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And let Mike and I be the help to is
anyone listening. If you don't have one, we're going to
give you permission. You can go ahead and fill that
void in your gun collection. And by the way, it's
fun to shoot, they're fun to carry. It's just kind
of a way to mix it up.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I would. Last year, I bought thirteen revolvers. You got
it bad, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I got inspired out here with with Daryl and Brian
and the Colt Pythons, went home and bought a python.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I love it. I kept paying.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, anybody listening, I get those numbers up.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Those rooking those are rookie numbers.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I bought fiveteen revolvers last year as just revolvers.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I mean I literally had to buy another safety Revolvers.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I love it, all right, Mike, thanks for being with us, man,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
All right. That's it for us. We'll see you guys
next time on gun Dog Nation
The story goes that Richard Gallagher, who founded the company,
was interested in leatherwork and he was working basically out
of his living room and a Chicago area police officer
knocked on his door and said, Hey, I hear you
work with leather. Could you make me a holster? So
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this was what kind of launched what became the famous
Jackass Leather Company.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. Guntog
Nation is brought to you by t sas Eotech, Kimber
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Hodgden and n ra arc Hey. Welcome into guntog Nation.
Today on gun Talk Nation, we're talking with an industry veteran,
a guy who is a shooter, not eligible, and as
Chris Rino described him earlier, has a lot of heart
in a lot of brain. I mean, he's a renaissance man,
and we're going to talk holsters and everything behind a company,
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you know. Galco Mike, Welcome in, Man, good to be here,
Thank you, thanks for coming back. You're here for one
of our experience classes, the Cult event.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah yeah, Well I had a great time at the
Python experience that you did last year with the AFR
guys actually learned a tremendous amount about Revolver shooting and
the opportunity for this came up thanks to you, and
we're back and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's awesome. So we've known each other for a long
time and I've been at gunsight with you on numerous occasions. Yep,
I mean you are. How long have you been with Galco?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I started with Galco in two thousand and three, so
twenty two years. Yeah, it's a long time to be
it's been a minute, and yeah, I started. I moved
out to Arizona from Connecticut, which, as I tell everybody,
is a nice place to be from.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, and didn't really have a job lined up.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I had been working in the shooting industry back in
Connecticut for a Tradition's performance firearm and moved to Arizona
without anything lined up. Knocked on the door at Galco.
They hired me as a CSR and just kind of
worked my way up since then, and now I'm the
media and PR manager.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So you wanted to stay in the gun world.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Absolutely. I love the gun world. I love people.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I've been interested in guns since I bought my first
copy of I Think Guns and Ammo back when I
was about twelve years old, and I can still picture
the cover of that magazine. It had an AMT Auto
mag on it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And just been interested in guns ever since. My father
was a police officer and a National Guard officer, and
so I just kind of grew up around guns and
the bug bit me early and it just has never
let go.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I love that, Yeah, I love because I mean, obviously
people know I grew up in this world of guns,
but I mean getting gun digests in where they've got
this thellistical lists of all of the guns and all
of the cartridges and all of the calibers and all
this stuff, and reading the ballistics charts. And it's funny
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looking back on that, that was like a strange thing
for a thirteen year old dude to be doing, perhaps,
but I was like so into it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You know, you're supposed to be reading Sports Illustrated or
you know whatever when you're that age, or you know,
other magazines. But yeah, I was reading, like you said,
gun Digest, guns and AMMO American Handgun or Combat handguns,
you know all that growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Of course I'm old enough that this was before the Internet,
so you know, we were reading dead dead Tree publications,
flipped the page them over, and you know, waiting for
that first week of the month for the new magazines
to come out, and running down to the convenience store
to buy them and all that.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I mean I had a truck full of gun magazines
that I would just pour over.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I just thought of this. Do you think that a
twelve or thirteen year old kid would have a hard
time buying a gun magazine? Like if you walked into
a Barnes and Noble today with your own money by yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Not where I live.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, you know, I live in the reddest county of Arizona, which.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Is already a pretty red state.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well it's gotten a little purplish lately, unfortunately, but I'm
in a very red county. I have a Paie County,
and yeah, it wouldn't be a problem there. But if
I went back to Connecticut, if you could find a
gun magazine on the shooting.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well that stand. Yeah, yeah, maybe that would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'll tell you a funny story. So my dad, you know,
my dad and my grandfather wrote for all these magazines
and occasionally when we were in like a grocery store
and walk by the magazine section. We'd stop and look,
and my dad would grab the magazine he was writing
for at the time and grab the whole staff of
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them and move them to the front in front of
other magazines and then just walk away.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I love that. I love that. See that's good marketing. Yeah,
that's good marketing. That's that's gorilla market.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It is absolutely one grocery store at a time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I'll have to.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'll start doing that with my book if it ever
appears in a store.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, we should.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You know what, let's do it. Let's give a plug
for your book. You're also an author, which I think
most people go, damn Ryan, a book is a crazy
idea and for someone to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So the way that came about my books called many
are called the Lion of Deseret, And like many things,
it came out of COVID and the pandemic. Sure, I
was kind of bored working from home, largely for for Galco,
and just had some extra time on my hands. And
at the time, my wife and I were living in
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downtown Phoenix, Okay, and we would go out for walks
and things like that, and there were like three restaurants
open that we could go to, you know, masked up
and all that sit on the street, Yeah, exactly, waiting
for takeout.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
You could have a beer while you were waiting for takeout.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But we would walk around and this previously bustling metropolis
was just apocalyptically empty, no one around, just she and
I walking down.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I mean, we all had those surreal moments.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, And so I started thinking, well, you know what
if this were really an apocalypse, you know, what would
this this city look like? And so I thought about
that a little bit. I started writing a couple of
little short stories, and which I've always been interested in
fiction writing, just never really delved into it very deeply.
But then I got to thinking, well, you know, who
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would be the people best equipped and serve to survive
and maybe even thrive in a post apocalyptic environment. And
I thought, well, Latter Day Saints Mormons, Okay, because their
church commands them to keep a year's supply food on hand.
For example, most of the Latter day Saint men I
know are quite well armed, and the church has a
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sort of hierarchical command structure already, and it could in
theory function as a replacement for a non existent secular government.
And so once I had the apocalypse and the people
who might survive it, I started writing a short story
about that. And that short story was good enough that
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I kept writing it, and I kept writing it, and
eventually I had a three hundred and seventy eight page novel.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It was a long story.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, so it's a long story now. And you know,
I was very blessed in that I was on ex
Twitter and a relatively small religious publisher put out a
call for manuscripts, said I'm I'm going to publish three
manuscripts in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Send me what you have. And so I not thinking.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Much of it, because you read stories of people who've
been rejected forty eighty times with their their first novel.
I sent it to forty North Press and didn't think
much more about it after I sent it. And then
three weeks later, I'm at the park with my wife
and my granddaughter, pushing the granddaughter on the swings, and
my phone buzzes and it's the publisher and he says,
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I've only read one hundred pages of your book, but
I love it and I want to publish it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Wow, right out of the gate, like that. I mean,
it was shocking read book. It was. It was a
great day.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And so the book came out in April of this year,
and sales have been good enough that I am the
best selling author at the publisher, Wow, forty North Press.
And I guess we'll find out when I get my
first royalty check how many copies we've actually sold.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah. You kind of just put it out there into
the ether and you just go, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Know, like you know, and the publisher handles a lot
of the marketing, although I've been lucky I've done. I
did a book launch party in Prescott, Arizona. Gun Sight
Academy was good enough to let me do a signing
out there at their alumni shoot.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
That went absolutely great.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I was just invited to sit on an author
panel for veterans who are writers.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And so that was just last Monday and that went
great as well. So Yeah, overall, it's been awesome. That's
probably more than you wanted to know about my No.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I love it. But people if they want to pick
it up, if they want to check it out, they
can do that.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, it's you can get it on Amazon. It's called
many are called The Lion of Deseret and it's on Amazon,
like I said.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Or you can order it through the publisher.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Forty North Press is an imprint of a company called
Navu Supply Company and au Voo Dot Supply Okay, and
that's the publisher, and you can get it from there
as well.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I will say you will get a higher quality book.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
If you order it from the publisher than Amazon, because
Amazon does print on demand. Quality is frankly a little uneven.
So if you want a nice quality book, get it
from the publisher.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's a good pro tip.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You know, my dad and my grandfather have written a
few books and then they had their own publishing company,
came to publishing the put out a few under that,
and my dad would tell you, you know, people would say, oh,
how do you sell books? I mean, that's neat. You
write books and how do you sell them? He said, well,
any way you can.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Anyway you can think of, take.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Every opportunity that comes your way, and yeah, talk about
your book. Yeah, I have promotional materials made up. I
gave you a bookmark, so look look at the side
with the cover and not the side with me on it.
You know, yes, but yeah, so just take the opportunity,
says they come. You know, the gun site thing came up,
and you know, I jumped on that and it worked
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out great well.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And so you're a PR and marketing guy, so you
can put that into what you do. But I mean
you've been the PR marketing for Galco for quite a
while now.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I took over.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, originally they called my position media liaison and that
was sixteen years ago. And yeah, and like I said,
I had started as a CSR and just kind of
worked my way up and there was the opening came
for us.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
They needed somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
To talk to people like yourself and somebody obviously with
a lot of patients. And so I raised my hand
and I started going around to shooting events and shot
show and NRA show and all that stuff. Dealing with
writers on journalist on a regular basis and all that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It takes patience to deal with us. It does, it
really does well. And you also talked to the public.
You come from, Like you said, you started in customer service.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's the other half, which is like probably.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, wouldn't you say in any company. It's a
great place to start because you learn everything about the product.
You hear what the end user, the customer likes, hates,
what they're confused about all that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
That's one hundred percent right. And at Galco, we actually,
I don't want to force is the wrong word, but
everybody is strongly encouraged to spend time in the customer
service office talking to customers and that you know, even
if somebody's coming on is say the buyer, you know
they'll still work in customer service, uh, you know, for
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some time just to get a feel, like you said,
for the experience of the end user and to learn
the product line.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
In and out.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And that's really really an important thing to Galco especially.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know, we have eighty.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Different concealed carry holsters and you need to be able
to inform somebody to discuss all those things.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Holster companies are always I always feel a little bit
bad for Holster companies because the skew number is pretty
wild when you think about it's left handed, right handed,
in different colors outside the ways, different gunfits, different unmodel.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Last time I looked, we had over three thousand SKUs.
It's great time I looked, Yeah, it's a huge amount
to keep track of. You know, and it's easy for me,
but you know, the people who have to do inventory
control and plan production and things like that, Man, Glad
I don't have to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
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were given we have the class here, and I guess
we kind of glossed over. We do have this experienced
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class happening with Colt and you guys and Sheltechmo and
Vortex Optics and so we've got like twenty shooters and
you were given the class. A little bit of back
ground on Galco, and I mean, there probably is a
thirty minute version, but if there's a five minute version
of this, it's pretty interesting because it wasn't always called
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Galco and the first big product was was a big deal.
It became a big deal.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So the company started in nineteen sixty nine back in Chicago,
and the story goes that Richard Gallagher, who founded the company,
was interested in leather work. He was interested in a
lot of things. He was a musician, for example, in
a top forty rock band as really yeah speaking of
like renaissance men, right, yeah, so very interesting guy. But
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he was interested in leatherwork, among many other things. And
he was working basically out of his living room and
stitching things for it was nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It was kind of the height of the hippie movement,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So he's making leather bracelets and you know, fringe vests
and leather pants, you know, for the flower children, I guess.
And he's doing this in his living room with a
disassembled Harley Davidson over in the other corner, because that's
one of his other interests. And a Chicago area police
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officer knocked on his door and said, hey, I hear
you work with leather. Could you make me a holster.
Mister Gallagher's well, I can research it. Come back in
a few weeks and I'll see what I can come
up with. So at that time, apparently you could still
go into a Chicago area public library and get a
book on holsters or books, and so mister Gallagher did
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a bunch of research, came up with the horizontally oriented
shoulder holster.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
The police officer wanted a shoulder holster, showed it to the.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Cop, The cop absolutely loved the thing, showed it to
his buddies in the Chicago Police department in that area,
and suddenly mister Gallagher had a line of police officers
outside his door or wanting him to make a shoulder holster.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's amazing, Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So this was what kind of launched what became the
famous Jackass Leather Company. Jackass Leather, Jackass Leather and what
was originally called Yes, the Famous Jackass Leather Company, and
that was the original holster.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Was it called the famous Yes, Oh I love it.
That's great marketing. Yes you world's best.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yes, the greatest world It was famous.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
World's famous milkshape.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It was at least famous in the Gallagher family at first,
So that was the springboard for Jackass to really become
a holster company. And that original horizontal shoulder holster was
called the Jackass rig. And a little bit later on,
in the early nineteen eighties, it started to work its
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way into Hollywood. It first appeared in a James con
movie called Thief, but the big break came with a
little TV show called Miamivice, where it was worn was
kind of what we call a recurring character on the
Detective Sunny Crocket character played by Don Johnson, and he
wore that rig for five years on the biggest cop
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show on TV at that time and maybe still the
biggest cop show in the history of television, certainly the
most influential, and so you really can't ask for better
advertising than having your product on the hero of the
show of the most popular cop TV show in history
at that time, so that really rocketed Jackass to fame.
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And it was also right around that time that mister
Gallagher moved the company from Chicago to Phoenix for a
variety of reasons business climate, gun climate, and physical climate.
And just as sort of a side note, the arid
desert climate in Phoenix makes holster production a little bit
easier because the holster's dry faster, so we can make
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holsters a little bit more quickly in the dry climate.
But in any case, that was when he decided to
changed the name. And there's a funny little story about
the name change in that he said he really decided
he needed to pick something a little more politically correct
because when people would call the company, he'd answer the
phone Jackass, and people would hang up on it.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
They thought they were that he was insulting them. That's awesome.
So he decided to go with Galco.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And you know a little bit of inside baseball is
that people often think that he named it Galco is
Gallagher Company. It's actually not true. It stands for Great
American Leather Company.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh okay, yeah, just a little tidbit.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
You know, if you met mister Gallagher, you would realize
that his ego is not nearly big enough for him
to do something like Gallagher Company.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It purely is coincidence. He worked in leather.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
He wanted it to be called the Great American leather company,
and it's that was in the like I said, the
early nineteen eighties, and it's really just been onward and
upward for Galco since then. You know, we've expanded our
manufacturing footprint three or four times since then. We have
a full campus in Phoenix and distribution through dealers, through distributors,
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consumer direct, so we do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And you guys have done a lot of different styles
over the years, but best known for your.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Leather, yeah, yeah, And we have done kaitex and nylon,
and we still have some nylon holsters and things like that.
But our Forte is really premium leather, premium steer hide,
horse hide, materials like that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
We like to work in natural materials.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, that's got to be a special skill set
that you can't just It takes years, too, I would imagine,
to get good at something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It does, it does, and Galco we're really blessed in
that we have some employees who've been with us thirty
thirty five, even forty years, who moved from Chicago to
Phoenix with the company. Just absolute artisans and craftsmen who
we have one Manuel who has hand molded, at last
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count over one point two million holsters for Galco. Yeah,
and you should see this guy's hands. He could crush
your skull with one hand. Yeah, that's amazing. But yeah,
and that was I want to say, we counted that
out like five years ago, so he's done, you know,
many thousands since then. Ian he runs a whole department
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of people whose literal job is simply to hand mold holsters.
And we have other people whose job is to cut
holsters and to burnish holsters, and to finish edges and
stitch holsters and all the things that go into making equality.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You were telling us about some of the specialized equipment
for stitching these holsters.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, the stitching machines we have are interesting. The best
machines we found for stitching a thick leather so holsters,
premium belts, things like that where you may have to
punch through two three layers of say seven ounce leather.
The best machines for that are those that were made
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early in the last century. So we have harness stitching
machines in Galco that are literally over one hundred years
old that are still in daily use. And these things
are so old that when they break, and of course
given their age they do occasionally break, we have to
make the parts in our machine shop to fix them.
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So we actually have a staff, Yes, we have a
staff of machinists even to do things like keep these
machines going. Now, the flip side of that is that
we have dye liss cutting machines that are entirely computerized.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Sure you know, they have an eye that.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Will take a hide overlay shapes of holsters, and then
we'll just use automation to cut those shapes out.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Of the most efficient use of this hide.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It will plot that out right, you have x number
of square feet of hide, lay it on the table,
the machine looks at the shapes that we need to
make that day and just automatically cuts them out. And
then of course they go on to all that handcrafting
that I mentioned, hand stitching, the hand molding, all those things.
But it's an interesting combination of very old world craftsmanship
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on one side of the building and extremely modern cutting
on the other.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah. Yeah, as far as leather goes, it mean, is
it mostly cow hide?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Steer hide is what we primarily work, and yeah, steerhide
is thicker, stronger than cowhide. Cowhide is typically a little softer,
more appliable.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So we work largely in premium steer hide, and we
do some with horse hide.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Horse Hide is harder to work with, it's more expensive,
but it makes a great carry holster because it is
so non porous. Oh, it doesn't really absorb more oyster.
A good horse eyed holster has a probably twenty year
service life, maybe more, maybe more. But premium steer height
is a great material as well, also a very long
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service life. And one thing people don't know about Galco,
or it's not widely known, is that we compete for
the top two percent of available domestically produced vegetable tanned leather.
There are only two tanneries left in the United States
that produce the quality of vegetable tan leather that we
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need domestic vegetable tan leather, and there's only two, largely
because the EPA has made regulation so onerous for tanneries that,
like I said, only two of them survive that produce
the quality that we need, and so we have to
compete with upholstery companies and high end women's handbag makers,
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shoe manufacturers and many many companies, all of whom occupy
a premium space, just like we occupy a premium space
in the in the holster business.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That's kind of tricky, I mean, because like a a
women's handbag could be hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Thousands, thousands, thousands. Yeah, yeah, and we produce we have
one of My.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Wife always tells me it was just one hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I think mine sets the same about her shoes. But yeah,
we have to compete with all of those companies. They
are out there in the marketplace, and that can be difficult.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
He's like, a you have a leather guy, like a
like a leather broker.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Well, we have a buyer.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
His name is Tim Okay, Yeah, and that is one
of his jobs is to find these hides and negotiate
for these hides.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Him competing around Texas, just talking to Rain like, hey,
what are you going to do with that steer hide?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, you know, like I said, there's only two of
these places. There's one in Saint Louis and one in
I want to say, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yea, And those are the only.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Two places we can get the leather of the quality
we need that is tostically produced. And the domestic production
is very important to us because we keep everything.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Made in the USA.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know, we source things from in the United States
and we do our manufacturing right in Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So it's great and we.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Have no intention of ever changing that. In fact, going
back to mister Gallagher for a minute, you know, he
told me he rather than offshoring or do you know,
taking manufacturing overseas, he would literally rather close the company.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Wow. Well, let's do this. Let's take a quick break
and we're going to get into some questions about.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Holsters that people have absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
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cleaning time. We can all like that. It's also great
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for other small passe cartridges like the six to eight Remington,
the seven six two by thirty nine Russian cartridge. Hodgton,
the Gunpowder people Kimber was recently in the office and
one of the guns that stood out that they brought
by was the next Gen. This is a new custom
two tone nineteen eleven from Kimber and it capitalizes on
the tremendous success of their two K leven and carries
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over several of those features that enhance that gun. It's
got an optics ready slide it has the new custom
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of new twenty first century features. There's some internal changes
that you can't see, but they include a slope disconnector
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deliver customized features right out of the box. So, Mike,
why don't you make a whole for the NAMBOO?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's it's funny you say that, because you know, we
go to the NRA show or the Shot show and inevitably,
you know, somebody will come into the booth or.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
A series of people.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Why don't you make a holster for this, and then
they'll rattle off this incredibly obscure gun that hasn't been
made since nineteen twenty two. Well, you know, sir, the
market for that is is just kind of small. And
you know, in that time we could probably make ten
block holsters, right that we could actually sell.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Now, you guys don't do custom like if they if
the guy says, well, I'll pay you for it, I'll
pay you hundreds of dollars. You don't do like one offs.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Right well as as somebody wants in trouble, no, no, no,
And somebody once told me, with the with a sufficient
amount of money, anything as possible, that's right. So, and
we do have a custom shop. Now, our normal custom
capabilities are kind of limited. We can make a holster
for an odd ball barrel length. Let's say, let's say
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you know you have k frame Smith and Wesson with
a I don't know, a seven inch barrel. That's you
know that we don't normally make a holster for. Can
we make that? Sure, you want a different color, we
can do that.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
You need a really really big.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Belt or a really really tiny belt, we can do that.
But basically what we'll do is modify existing designs. Now,
if you come with enough money.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I got a Desert Eagle with the sp fire X
three hundred.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I'm talking Sti Lester Stallone money. So if you're Hollywood, yes,
So for example, our custom shop did. If you've ever
seen the movie The Expendables too. Now, in the first
Expendables movie, Stallone used a rig that was made by
someone in Eastern Europe where they had filmed the movie,
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and he was incredibly dissatisfied with it. So when they
were making expendables to the prop master came to Galco
and we're pretty well known in the Hollywood prop industry
for working with them, and we made a comple leaf
from scratch custom rig forced a loan to wear in
the movie. And we've done that over the years. You know,
if you if you go and watch the old movie
(31:08):
Face Off with Nick Cage and Jane Travolta, you know
Castor Troy's double rig for his nineteen eleven's was that
was a Galco Holster.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
So we can't stretch our capabilities. That was a John
Wooll movie.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, So we can't stretch our capabilities like that.
But in the normal day today, our custom shop is
somewhat limited to changes to existing designs rather than a
true one off.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Now, being that you guys are the leather guys, a
couple of questions come to mind. The first one is
people say, what do I need to do to care
for a leather holster?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, so we get two questions about leather holsters, and
it's it's care and maintenance and it's breakin. So, for Karen,
maintenance of a leather holster, basically, you just want to
clean and condition it, you know, just like you'd clean
and condition if you had a nice pair of boots. Right,
you periodically are going to clean and condition. You're your
nice leather boots.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
We sell a product called leather Lotion that you can
use for that, But there are good products you can
buy over the counter, Lexol for example, as a good
leather cleaner and conditioner, and a lot of that is
climate dependent. If you live in a very humid climate
like we have, like where we're sitting now, you can
get away with cleaning, conditioning, moisturizing your holster, you know,
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once twice a year where I live in arid Arizona.
You definitely want to stay on top of your maintenance
a little bit more, even if it's just throwing some
leather conditioner on, you know, three or four times a
year just to keep it from drying out in that
very arid climate. So a lot of that is just
dependent where you live.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Obviously, you guys have done the kaidex thing. You don't
do it now, but you know there's that's a that's
a popular category for holsters. If somebody says, I don't
own a leather holster, but it sounds kind of fun,
kind of interesting, what do you tell somebody if they said,
why would I get a leather holster, or what would
be the things that they would notice if they haven't
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own one before.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
The primary reason to choose a leather holster over a
kaidex holster is that is comfort. A leather holster will
conform itself to the shape of your body over time,
and I don't mean a long time, and I'm not
talking to years. Wear it daily for a month and
it will start to curve and take on the bend
and the shape of your body. Just like if you
wear a leather belt for a time, you notice it
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develops a kind of a curve in it.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
A holster will do the same thing. It will adapt.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Itself to your body a leather holster, whereas kaitex is
the shape it's going to be in the beginning and
for the rest of all time, it will not ever
shape itself to your body. But a leather holster will
do that. And this is particularly comfortable when you're talking
about it. Inside the waistband holster, it will form itself
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a little bit to your body, but even a belt
holster will just take on the curve of your body,
and in that way it really becomes more of a
natural heart of yourself. It's a natural material that conforms
itself to your body, cool and just becomes sort of
one with you.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, I mean thinking
about and I guess you have holsters for different positions
of carry and yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, we have at last count I think somewhere around
eighty different products for concealed and outdoor type carry holsters.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And yeah, we offer them for I mean, our flagship
product is shoulder holsters.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know, going back to that Miamivice thing we talked
about in the original Jackass rig But we offer multiple
multiple options in belt holsters for behind the hip on
the hip appendix carry crosstraw, all those things. We do
that with inside the waistband holsters as well, and then
your more deep concealment options pocket holsters, ankle holsters, belly bands,
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we do all those things. For outdoorsmen, we have chest holsters, yep.
So we do all those things. We've got a finger
in all those areas.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And the truth is, if you're a gun guy or gal,
you need probably you need lots of holster options, right,
I mean, and not saying that you need to carry
a different way every day, but like, yeah, there are
times when a chest rig is the answer. There's a
time when inside or outside the waistband is preferred, I
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mean kind of. It's nice to have those options.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
We use a phrase that I stole from my friend
Masada Ube. He called it a holster wardrobe years ago,
and I thought that was a great turn of phrase,
and so I stole it from mass.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Depending on the circumstances how you're dressed all those things.
In the summer, you may use an inside the waistband holster.
In the winter, you're wearing bulkier clothing typically, and so
you can wear a belt holster that you might find
a little bit more comfortable, might be a little faster
than you're inside the waistband holster, but you can conceal it.
You're going out in well where I live, out in
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the desert, but you know, out in the woods or
anything like that. Yeah, a chest holster is great, you know,
especially you're backpacking anything like that, you're fishing. It gets
it up clear of your your waiters and things like that.
So it is good to have.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Options in your holsters. A holster, wardrobe, holster wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Now, you were telling me about a trend that you
guys are noticing lately as far as and it kind
of follows what we've been seeing. Is in the world
of guns. It's like the way I've said is it's
like people were going back to analog. All these people
are buying vinyl, you know, the people pressing vinyl records
(36:40):
to listen to music. They can't keep it in stock.
We're seeing the same type of thing in guns. We've
got Lever guns are hot, yep, wheel guns you said
revolvers are crazy right now.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, yeah, So we just pulled sales figures for the
last the last rolling year, and then we went back
and hold from another rolling year before that. To look
at our revolver sales. And if you had asked me
three weeks ago before we pulled these numbers, I would
have said, oh, you know revolvers, Okay, they're they're popular
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with you know, a small group of enthusiasts, So okay,
maybe ten percent of our sales.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I was wrong. Twenty five percent of our sales. A
quarter of sales.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
That's the big and in what you know, what you
think of as a sort of semi auto world, and
we are concealed carry largely. I mean, ninety five percent
of our business is concealed carry holsters. And to realize
that fully twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Of those sales are revolvers.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean you talk about the revolver renaissance, right, I
mean just last year you had the guys from American
Fighting Revolver out here for the Cold Python experience. You know,
the revolver thing has just absolutely taken off again.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And let Mike and I be the help to is
anyone listening. If you don't have one, we're going to
give you permission. You can go ahead and fill that
void in your gun collection. And by the way, it's
fun to shoot, they're fun to carry. It's just kind
of a way to mix it up.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I would. Last year, I bought thirteen revolvers. You got
it bad, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I got inspired out here with with Daryl and Brian
and the Colt Pythons, went home and bought a python.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I love it. I kept paying.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, anybody listening, I get those numbers up.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Those rooking those are rookie numbers.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I bought fiveteen revolvers last year as just revolvers.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I mean I literally had to buy another safety Revolvers.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I love it, all right, Mike, thanks for being with us, man,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
All right. That's it for us. We'll see you guys
next time on gun Dog Nation
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