December 26, 2025 • 34 mins
Glock Team Captain Shane Coley joins Gun Talk Nation to unpack everything you need to know about the Glock Gen 6 pistols and the V-Series lineup. In this in-depth conversation with host Ryan Gresham, Shane discusses the real purpose behind the V-Series, what makes Gen 6 different from previous generations, and how customer feedback directly shaped Glock's latest evolution.
This episode is a transparent and honest look behind the curtain of one of the most iconic handgun brands in the world, with insight into product development, user experience, and how Glock continues to evolve without compromising its DNA.
This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by NRA-ARC, Tisas USA, Range Ready Studios, and Black Hills Ammunition.
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This episode is a transparent and honest look behind the curtain of one of the most iconic handgun brands in the world, with insight into product development, user experience, and how Glock continues to evolve without compromising its DNA.
This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by NRA-ARC, Tisas USA, Range Ready Studios, and Black Hills Ammunition.
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Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Nation with Ryan Gresham is a weekly multi-platform podcast that offers a fresh look at all things firearms-related. Featuring notable guests and a lot of laughs. Gun Talk Nation is available as an audio podcast or in video format.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What did you do internally and why and help people understand,
you know, this part that they may not be able
to see.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know that I did hear hear some of that
initially with the Gen six as people were or were
kind of speculating what the Gen six was going to be, uh,
and some of the speculation was, you know, it was
going to be a complete design change.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Guntognation. Guntognation is
brought to you by n RA, A, arc T Sauce,
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Range Ready and Black Hill's Ammunition.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hey, welcome into Guntognation.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
On Guntognation, we are talking with Shane Coley from Glock.
I mean, you guys have probably heard of Glock. They
make guns, they make pistols, are pretty well known and
do a pretty good job of it job at that Shane,
welcome in.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You guys have been kind of making ways lately because
pretty much anytime Glock does a new thing, it makes
news because you guys do what you do, you do
it well, and you're not the kind of company that
tends to bring out like forty new products every year.
So when you change something or bring out something new,
(01:25):
all the gun people are like, oh my god, Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
So, I mean, we got to get.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You on here to talk about V series Gen six
and kind of update us on all these things.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So I mean, first off, if people don't.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Know who you are, talk about you know what you
do in your background, what you do with Glock.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
So Shane Coley, I'm the captain of Team Block.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I've been with the organization now for let's say about
sion and a half years, so a little over a decade.
I came from the Army Marksmanship Unit, which I think
a lot of people have heard about. I spent almost
seven years there and then came to Glock following my
time in the Army. And I've been a professional shooter
for twenty two years now, so pretty much the entirety
(02:10):
of my life. I've spent behind a pistol and still compete,
manage the team, make sure that the girls are taken
care of, trained up, and then obviously stuff like this
media communications, talking to the customers, and trying to get
back wherever I can.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So, how much as a pro shooter, a guy who's
an actual, like very skilled shooter, how much do you
get involved with a development of product and improving product
A got.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I would say a relatively decent amount. I've worked with
project teams on different designs or developments, just trying to
offer support where you know, where I fit in. We
have a large team that handles a lot of these
developments and projects and stuff, and they're all phenomenal, phenomenal guys,
phenomenal guys and girls. Our project teams that they very
(03:02):
involved in development in R and D and testing. So
I try to bring in some expertise, some ideas, and
then we work together and figure out how how to
integrate these things and how to how to continue making
the best pistol.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I mean, obviously you're not an engineer. You guys
have all these really super skilled engineer type folks there.
You don't get into the metallurgy perhaps, but you can
certainly say, hey, these are things that help you shoot better,
and these are the features that we can you know,
update on certain things.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Right, sure, yeah, And it's you're right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm not an engineer, but there are there are things
that I that we as shooters have seen over the years,
different ideas, different different maybe just features or things like
that that we think maybe could be good changes or
updates or features that we want to offer to the customers.
So I think over the years of experience in trial
and error and trying different things out and changing different
(04:02):
things and seeing what works, what may not work, or
what may be older technology versus new and up and
upcoming technology, and how do we implement those things to
better serve the customer.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I think being behind a.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Pistol so much, and spending so much of my career
behind a pistol, then I've seen a lot of that.
I guess trial and error per se where this is
this worked really well, guys, people use this for a
long time, This really excel people's shooting abilities, or this
may be a good idea that maybe wasn't as applicable
once it came to a product. So kind of offering
(04:38):
those ideas or that that expertise, I feel is kind
of more where my role sits.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So, I mean, we had the end of this year
two big announcements from Glock, and like I said, got
people all into a tizzy. So first up the V
series and we've covered a bit, covered it a bit
and try to explain it. But it was kind of
surprising because I mean I heard people say they were
(05:07):
confused about the V Series, and then Gen six was
announced not long after that, So how do you explain,
you know, to people like where they go, Okay, wait
a minute, now there's this V series, what is it
and how does it affect what was done in the past.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
The V Series.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think the common miscommunication that I've I've heard from
from individuals on social media or talking to people at
different events of the range is that we made the
V Series for California, which is not the case. The
V Series, in a simple nutshell, is essentially a new
baseline of our products, so we have we launched it
(05:44):
first before Gen six, and it covered essentially all the
models that Gen six does it currently have With the
Gen six launch, of course, it's launching with three models,
the nineteen, the forty five and the seven and the seventeen.
So the V Series will have other models included than that,
like the twenty two MS or the twenty three MS,
so the G twenty mos, which we don't have yet
(06:05):
in Gen six. So the V Series is a price
difference for that is essentially a Gen five same Gen
five features externally, but there was some internal changes for
manufacturing efficiency that we knew going into Gen six launch
coming right around the corner. So, like I said, in
a simple nutshell, the V Series is a baseline of
(06:25):
product with availability that's not yet available in Gen six,
and then of course the Gen six.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Was followed right after that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So the V Series you kind of have like the
full line of what you've been doing in the past.
I mean, basically, the Gen five's kind of an update there, right, correct.
So somebody says, but the Gen six is an in
ten milimeter, Well you can buy a V Series and
also there'll be new Gen sixes. I mean, I'm not
(06:56):
spilling the beans, and you haven't said anything to me.
I'm just saying, like, obviously Gen six is the new
hotness and you're going to keep expanding on that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I mean, right.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And you know the idea I think was, you know,
with Gen six launch, we only have for the initial launch,
and we only have the three models, so uh, you know,
the G twenty super popular model, the G forty four,
the G nineteen X. Oh, those are popular models and
they're just not maybe Gen six yet, so we still
wanted to be able to offer those with the V series.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
There are an enormous amount of blocks out there that
are still in use, whether that's professionally for you know,
on duty or just people that shoot them all the
time in competition or whatever. Gen three is, Gen Force,
Gen five's Will people be able to like service those guns?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Are they just like discontinued? How does that work?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, Well, we we know that there's still Gen ones
and distribution Gen ones all the way to through Gen five.
We know that those those those pistols are obviously still
in the marketplace, so we we have a maintain parts
inventory and warranty and tech services will absolutely be able
to work on those pistols. So if an individual has
i'd say a Gen four seventeen and something happens where
(08:11):
they need warranty work on it, then we'll still have
a parts inventory.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Where we can service those pistols.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just because we don't have a Gen five G seventeen
anymore or whichever model doesn't mean that that's that person
is now sitting on an island with that with that
particular pistol model.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That was a big concern for people because they they
love their glock and you know it may like I
love my Gen three and I'm not changing, like okay, fine,
well we got you.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
It's okay, yeah, yeah, we got you.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So we ought to.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Talk about Gen six because that is, like I said,
the new hotness. I mean, I was out there and
I shot it. I'd like to talk before we kind
of get into it, talk about the development of this,
kind of what's the backstory, how long have you guys
been working on this, and maybe some of the testing
and what's how's this come together?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So Gen six has been a really there's been a
project long time in the making, is what I would say.
It's been around for a handful of years. And you know,
the last generation launch we had obviously was Gen five,
and I believe that was back in twenty seventeen or
twenty eighteen, so we're looking at almost an eight year
(09:20):
gap between generational change. And granted with the Gen five
we filled in models after the initial launch for the
different calibers and different pistol sizes, but it's been a
long time since we've done a generational launch, and what
we did the backstory with the Gen six is, you know,
we took a lot of customer feedback over the years.
We've heard people talk about grip texturing. For example, we've
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heard about the undercuts, the beaver tails, some cosmetic looks
or what have you. As far as the customer feedback,
but we took all that feedback and that kind of
started the development of Gen six because we wanted to
offer a pistol, a design change or a feature update
that served the best served the customer. So we tried
tried our best to give everything we could, and it
(10:05):
started with customer feedback. So I think, you know, over
the years, we've heard all these different things, these different ideas,
and you know, you've heard people stippling a grip or
changing out triggers or silicon carbide or something like that
grip tape. So we've heard all of these different things
that people are doing to their nor modifications that people
are doing to the pistol, and we're like, well, what if,
what if we can implement that here at the factory
(10:27):
and then provide the customer with that from us and
it simplifies, hopefully simplifies the process for the end user.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean, one of the things that kind of came
to me as we were shooting these guns out at
your place is.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
For a lot of people, glock is where they start.
For a lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
People, it is the first handgun they own. So if
we can make that first handgun ownership experience even better,
And there's a kind of an enormous responsibility for you
guys knowing like, hey, yeah, we're the gun that people
like default to. I mean it's like the Sharman you
(11:09):
know of Kleenex or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Right, Like it's they start there if they.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Buy it and then they shoot it and enjoy it
because it's a shootable gun. That's gonna help. It's like, oh,
shooting guns is fun. Oh I can keep doing this.
I can expand what I'm doing here instead.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Of like yeah, I bought this thing, I shot it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't love it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It's not comfortable to shoot. Like these upgrades are yes
for the gun nerds.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
We love it. It's gonna help, you know, the guys.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Who are shooting USPSA or the or the cops on duty. Certainly,
but like there's to me, like there's kind of a
bigger overarching thing that this actually the Gen six can
actually help in gun ownership and gun rights.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and you know you mentioned the customer experience, that
the shooting experience.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
As a whole.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I think that's a really important factor that plays into
this because you know, if you if you're this is
your first, your first entrance into purchasing a pistol, right,
you buy uh, we'll say a G seventeen just to
make it simple, and you're shooting experiences it's not phenomenal. Well,
now you have you have all of these different options
(12:22):
of things that you can do to modify.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Right. You can simple the grip, you can buy the
grip tape.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You can change your trigger, you can change your sides,
you can add optics, you can do all these stippling jobs.
There's so many modifications that you can do in it.
In my eyes, granted this is my personal opinion. To me,
it seems overwhelming to someone that's new, right, they don't
they may not understand all the different options that are available,
and then they get inundated with all these options of
(12:46):
you can do this and this and this, and it's like, well,
what is best?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
What is good? What do I need? What do I
don't need? You know?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
What am I willing to spend my money on? So
I think if if like I said, we listened, tried
our best to listen to all of that customer feedback
at implement that here from the factory to not only
give them the best product, but also make that experience
so much better so that when they receive the product,
it feels great, it shoots great, it's extremely accurate. They
have all of these different feature updates that maybe could
(13:15):
be inundating to them or overwhelming to them already implemented.
So it just eases the burden of what do I
need to change, what do I need.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
To do now? I just I have this pistol. I
love this pistol.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I love shooting the gun, because ultimately, when you buy
a pistol, if you don't enjoy shooting it, then you're
likely not going to shoot it very much.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, we can a.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Lot of people either don't know that they can do
those mods and upgrades or they're just not going to.
They go, well, I don't know, me should just be
this way out of the box, and it is. It's
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Speaker 3 (16:26):
All right, we're back, Shane.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So I've probably done a mediocre job explaining, but I'm
gonna I'm gonna set it up for you and then
I'll let you actually tell us what's really going on here.
One of the things about glock pistols is you kind
of said, and you guys said it when I was there,
is like, look, these things are tried and true, super reliable,
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super safe. We're not completely redesigning glock pistols, but we
are making some updates to it. One of the things
is obviously a lot of people are running optics on
their guns. The glock wasn't originally well, no gun before
you know whatever, ten years ago wasn't even designed for that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And so now you're kind of seem to be making.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Some updates and improvements because you know, you have to
cut into the slide lowers everything. There's internals going on.
What did you do internally and why and help people understand,
you know, this part that they may not be able
to see.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know that I did hear hear some of that
initially with the Gen six, as people were or were
kind of speculating what the Gen six was going to
be and some of the speculation was, you know, it
was going to be a complete design change, and obviously
that's not the case. That the Gen six does have
some updates and design changes and feature updates, but you know,
at the core, at the core of what the Gen
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sis is, it's still everything that people know from Glock.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Still has the same durability, the same reliability.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But we did make some design changes and in regards
to like the optic the mounting, we have you know,
the new optic Optic Ready system, so it's three polymer
optic plates. But internally from that we changed the extractor module.
So in previous generations we had the EDP or the
extractor depressor plunger that was inserted from the rear of
the slide and it had an entire channel that it
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ran down where it made contact with the extractor. And
what that did is it shortened the thread that we
were able to drill into the slide to mount optics.
So because what would happen sometimes is if you put
lock tight on the optics screw and it was maybe
a touch too long, you could get locked tight into
the DP channel, which could then bind up the DP
and the extractor, or you could install a super long
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screw unintentionally and then bind up the DP that way.
So we remove the DP out of the rear of
the slide, and now we have an extractor module, which
is a really small piece that is spring loaded internally
that holds the extractor in place, but it frees up
the rear portion of the slide where we get a
much deeper thread pitch or thread channel, So now you
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can use longer optic screws, we get more thread attachment,
and I think it increases the durability of the optic attachments.
So that's one internal change that you know, some people
may not see, but I think it was a very
good change because it offers more durability with optic mounting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean, it makes a ton of sense to me,
and I could see you guys doing more of that
going forward.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I would.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I would think other gun companies would kind of making
those adjustments in maybe some legacy products where you say, yeah,
we're cutting into the slide now to mount these optics,
because that's kind of the common thing, and we need
to think about the internals if they weren't maybe optimized
for that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, Yeah, I agree. And you know, the big thing
with with optic mounting is everyone wants durability, right, no one.
No one wants to have screws that are sharing off
for optics that are losing zero or coming loose, or
screws backing out because there's not enough threat attachment. So
we looked at that and we saw that, Hey, there's
an opportunity for us to do this. Does this make sense?
Was this going to be Is this going to be
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a benefit or a net positive for the end user?
I think I personally think it is. I think when
you know, when I look at the system. Now we
have the polymer optic plate and it kind of acts
as like a crush washer like we talked about at
the launch event. But we get that deeper thread and
it's a stronger attachment. And with us drilling into the
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slide further with no EDP channel to worry about, then
we also get a lower a lower mounting of the
optic so it's.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
A little bit lower in the slide.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, talk about the testing you guys did, because I
mean it was kind of a team effort, I guess
between glock us and glock over in Austria. Talk about
all that because I'm sure that the testing was ridiculous there.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, I mean it was very extensive testing. We had
teams in the US and teams in Austria, very a
lot of collaborative efforts on both sides, and we talked
to them almost every single day and work extremely well together.
But the testing was very extensive. Like I said, Jen six,
the project itself has been round for a handful of years,
(21:01):
and with that there have been there have been different
development phases on you know, initial initial concept ideas that
we tested and maybe they did work, so okay, now
we go back to the drawing board on how do
we fix this? And that cycle happened pretty often until
we found or we got to the right solution.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
One of the things that we mentioned at the media
event was weren't we're not looking for the next the
next big thing. We're looking for the next right thing,
and we wanted to find the right solution for the customers.
So there was a lot of testing involved with that.
A lot of rounds fired out of the concept models,
even the even from a safety feature like drop testing.
(21:41):
On the panel discussion, Jeremy talked about that we dropped
from like thirteen different positions, and throughout those all of
those drop tests in different positions, we were not allowed
to have any indentations on the primer or we had
to go back. We had to go back and find
a solution for it if there was. And through all
the drop test we pass all the drop tests, we
pass all of our standard testing procedures.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
So as we.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Move into Gen six, the DNA of what block is
is still absolutely there liabilities, there are the durabilities there.
We just now have some of the feature changes.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Are there things you guys do in testing that maybe
others don't do, or you go like a little bit
further with it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'm not sure I can say that we do things
that others don't I can, but I can say that
our testing is extremely thorough. I think we sit we
sit down and we view every possible thing that could
potentially go wrong and try to address it to the
best of our abilities. And through through that ideology, we
have a very extensive testing process or procedure, and it's
(22:44):
extremely thorough. We a lot of rounds down range. Once
we get to maybe a design release, you know, once
we manufacture the molds or whatever, then there's a lot
of rounds put down range and there's a lot of
people involved in that testing process. So it's a very extensive,
very extensive testing, and it seems it works for us.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Shane, you're a guy who because you've been shooting competitions
for so long, you've you've run red dots on pistols
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Right, This is not a new idea to you. I
think the competition.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Guys were way ahead of that of like, yeah, we're.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Running these these crazy mounts and these crazy optics.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh you know twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, early two thousands.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What is it.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
About putting dots on handguns that is perhaps challenging or
what could happen with guns with whether the way because
you think about it's running on a slide, that's reciprocating
back and forth. Talk about some of those things that
you've encountered over the years that people might run into.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think there's there, of course, can be a challenge
with optics mounted mounted on pistols. Now I think is
that has progressed in the industry that some of the
problems have gone away. Are some of the problems that
we saw initially have gone away? Because I mean you're
mounting an optic to a slide, this reciprocating at insane speeds,
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And initially the question could be were the optics designed
to take a beating like that because you have to
slide going back and hit in the back of the
frame or the lock and block or a barrel lug
and then going back forward over and over and over again.
So was the optic design for this? Are we going
to hold zero? Are the screws built for this? Is
the material built for this? And I think a lot
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of those issues have significantly gotten better over the years.
But I think one challenge with optics that people face
is they come from iron sights. It's always, you know,
every pistol known demand that that I'm aware of comes
with the set of iron sights. So that's generally what
a lot of people maybe shoot first or have experience on.
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And there's a focal plane shift there, you're focused on
the front side target focus. There's kind of conflicting methodologies
in that idea. But then you go to an optic
and there is no real local plane shift. It's just
put the dot on the center of the target, and
it should simplify the process of shooting but oftentimes people,
well I can't find the dot?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
How do I find the dot? Sure? So I think
that's some challenges that people face.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And the simple rule of thumb that I offer offer
individuals with that is, if you find the front site,
you'll nine times out of ten find the dot.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, you know, crazy because we don't think about it much.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, if you just pick up and shoot guns,
you're not designing guns like this, This little electronic optic
with glass.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Is you're it's literally like you're.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Going punk punk punk punk punk punk punk punk.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, you know, if you're running it between two two
by fours and just hitting it, because I mean it's
it's running and stopping and running and stopping. It's it's
kind of remarkable that it actually just continues to work.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, And like I said, the technology that the optic
manufacturers have implemented into the optics over the years, I
significantly has increased since the early two thousands, Uh, I
started shooting optics on pistols, and back then we were
using crazy frame mounts where the optic was stationary, and
we still had optic issues back then. And I started
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that in I think I started shooting a red dot
like two thousand and six, and they were doing that
before early I started. So even way back then we
had aluminum frame mounted optics where the optic was stationary,
but we still had optic issues because we were running
old red dot diodes mounted into the body of the
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red dot itself, and we still had connectivity issues and
zero issues.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
We had screws backing out.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, back then it was like I think it was
a two cycle that raimed it right.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You had to pull start it, you know, you oil
gas mixture right to get the red dot turned on?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Man, what else is going on.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
With you guys at Glock?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean these days it's kind of like Gen six
is the big deal.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
People.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's funny how this is always the case. That's no
matter of the company. You introduce something new and they go,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And then they are asking for like what's next? Or
how are you going to expand on it? I mean,
what has the reaction been?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
What's the feedback? Then?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Of course, right now Gen six is everything we're working on.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
So far.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I think the I think the reaction has been positive.
I haven't seen anything anything negative on it from from
my side, I think the market seems very excited for
the future updates and changes that we've implemented into Gen six.
The initial models, like I said, will be the G nineteen,
the G forty five, and the G seventeen. So that's
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what we'll bring to market on be available January twentieth.
And of course, people, of course will always ask what's next,
And we're always in development, you know, So we always
tell people and it's true, we are always in development
of what's coming in the future. But with that, I
tell people to stay tuned because I can't I can't
spill all the secrets, you know that. But we always
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have new stuff coming and we're trying to give the
best product we can to our customers.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Oh and I will say this, Shane.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
We went over there for this media event, this launch event,
and I've been to a lot of product launch events,
and sometimes the product is like not maybe not quite ready.
Perhaps you know, it's maybe it's like a it's an
initial production run, but there might be issues, right, whether
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it's a Gono scope, whatever it might be like, you
run into some issues, especially when you get dozens of
people shooting thousands of rounds through this product. Sometimes there's hiccups,
and even then I'll kind of give people a pass
and go, Okay, they know there's an issue and they're
fixing it, and then whatever right you guys had. I
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think eighty to one hundred people at this event, and
at least my session of shooting it, I had no issues.
I didn't see anyone else have any issues, which is
a great testament to like, this thing is ready to
roll right out of the gate.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
A variety of.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Shooters, different hands, different skill levels. I mean that that's
kind of been what you guys have always been known for.
I mean, you just anybody can pick these up and
shoot them, and they and they run reliably.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And I found that to be true on the Gen six.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, And I will say that after the media event,
I didn't hear of any malfunctions or any issues that
from from the range portion of the event. And I
would say that I think that's the testament to the
testing that we put into the pistol before we brought
it to market or brought it to the launch. And
also the team that was involved with this. We have,
like I said, we have an amazing team that has
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been working on this for a really long time, and
we wanted to do everything we could to bring the
best product to the market, to offer to the offer
to our customers. And like you said, there's different hand sizes,
different grips, different grip strengths. There's a lot of different
variable when someone picks up a new pistol and shoots.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And at the end of the day, while Gen six
may somewhat look different half feature updates or changes, it
is still the core of what glock is. It still
has the same reliability that we've always been known for,
the same durability that we've always been known for.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Uh. That DNA still lives inside of the Gen six.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
All right, she as we as We got to wrap
up here.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Your favorite block and then what's what's one of the
guns that you guys have ever made, either making now
or made previously that you feels like underrated or underappreciated.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Huh, that's a great question. Uh favorite gun Man favorite
is always a tough question. Because I have this, there's
so many variables that favor what I'm using it for.
Uh Man, I think my new favorite of right now
I would have to say the G seventeen Gen six
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because that's going to transition to my or be my
competition gun for for next year. Then I've shot, I've
put a lot of rounds through it. I've really really
enjoyed it. So I have to say that's my current favorite.
I think one that you said maybe underrated needs more love. Yeah, ah, man,
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I think I think the G twenty, to be honest, Yeah,
twenty G twenty is.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
It's such a great pistol and it's uh, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Extremely easy to shoot, but the applications like are really
endless you use it. I mean I've heard of guys
that have used the G twenty for a carry gun,
which hey, more power to you. Uh, but guys that
go out west, guys are on hunts, guys that are
at super and outdoors. You know, I think the G
twenty is extremely versatile and its applications, and I've I've
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had a ton of fun shooting one. Even with I'm
some hard casts two twenty green hardcast bullets, it's still
very very controllable.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And you know what's funny, and that is true and
a ten milimeter pistol. I've shot a variety of ten
and some you're like, god, he the power of the ten,
and then some are super shootable like, it's almost not
that much difficum nine, believe it or not.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, and I think that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, the G twenty is is a very shootable ten milimeter,
And obviously it's fun shooting ten because then you go, man,
you feel like you can kind of stretch it out,
you know, some longer distance shots.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You do some hunting with it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Obviously, for like western or up north carry which is
a is a nice option. The old school guys would
carry a forty four mag or forty four special. But
it's kind of nice having more rounds, like double the
rounds and the gun.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, and a little bit easier to run it.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And you know, I shot a G twenty four, which
is a forty cal for years and years and years.
I have hundreds of thousands of rounds on one of
those one of those pistols, and the forty is essentially
just a short ten millimeters. So I was kind of
expecting a similar recol impulse, and when I got my
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first G twenty, it almost the same.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Even.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I mean, of course, when I go to a super
hot ammo or like a hunting load, of course I
can feel obviously feel the difference in the recoil, but
it's still extremely manageable. Uh So the shooting experience as
a whole lot I thought was was really awesome with
the with the G twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, that's a I don't know if it's underrated because
there are some cult followers of that gun in that
party of that cartridge.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
So that's fun. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Well, Shane, thanks for me all this, and uh, I'll
see you soon in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Right man, yep, we're gearing up for Shaho.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
That's from the Horse's mouth, Shane Coley, Team Glock, the
V series, the Gen six, go check them out. I mean,
it's good to see a trusted platform but doing some
new updates.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
And I personally I like the beaver tail. I like
the flat trigger.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's these are these things that are noticeable and kind
of improve the shooting experience.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
So thanks again man.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
All Right, that's it for us, everybuddy.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
We will see you next time on Guntagnation
What did you do internally and why and help people understand,
you know, this part that they may not be able
to see.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know that I did hear hear some of that
initially with the Gen six as people were or were
kind of speculating what the Gen six was going to be, uh,
and some of the speculation was, you know, it was
going to be a complete design change.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Guntognation. Guntognation is
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hey, welcome into Guntognation.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
On Guntognation, we are talking with Shane Coley from Glock.
I mean, you guys have probably heard of Glock. They
make guns, they make pistols, are pretty well known and
do a pretty good job of it job at that Shane,
welcome in.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You guys have been kind of making ways lately because
pretty much anytime Glock does a new thing, it makes
news because you guys do what you do, you do
it well, and you're not the kind of company that
tends to bring out like forty new products every year.
So when you change something or bring out something new,
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all the gun people are like, oh my god, Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
So, I mean, we got to get.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You on here to talk about V series Gen six
and kind of update us on all these things.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So I mean, first off, if people don't.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Know who you are, talk about you know what you
do in your background, what you do with Glock.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
So Shane Coley, I'm the captain of Team Block.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I've been with the organization now for let's say about
sion and a half years, so a little over a decade.
I came from the Army Marksmanship Unit, which I think
a lot of people have heard about. I spent almost
seven years there and then came to Glock following my
time in the Army. And I've been a professional shooter
for twenty two years now, so pretty much the entirety
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of my life. I've spent behind a pistol and still compete,
manage the team, make sure that the girls are taken
care of, trained up, and then obviously stuff like this
media communications, talking to the customers, and trying to get
back wherever I can.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So, how much as a pro shooter, a guy who's
an actual, like very skilled shooter, how much do you
get involved with a development of product and improving product
A got.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I would say a relatively decent amount. I've worked with
project teams on different designs or developments, just trying to
offer support where you know, where I fit in. We
have a large team that handles a lot of these
developments and projects and stuff, and they're all phenomenal, phenomenal guys,
phenomenal guys and girls. Our project teams that they very
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involved in development in R and D and testing. So
I try to bring in some expertise, some ideas, and
then we work together and figure out how how to
integrate these things and how to how to continue making
the best pistol.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I mean, obviously you're not an engineer. You guys
have all these really super skilled engineer type folks there.
You don't get into the metallurgy perhaps, but you can
certainly say, hey, these are things that help you shoot better,
and these are the features that we can you know,
update on certain things.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Right, sure, yeah, And it's you're right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm not an engineer, but there are there are things
that I that we as shooters have seen over the years,
different ideas, different different maybe just features or things like
that that we think maybe could be good changes or
updates or features that we want to offer to the customers.
So I think over the years of experience in trial
and error and trying different things out and changing different
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things and seeing what works, what may not work, or
what may be older technology versus new and up and
upcoming technology, and how do we implement those things to
better serve the customer.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I think being behind a.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Pistol so much, and spending so much of my career
behind a pistol, then I've seen a lot of that.
I guess trial and error per se where this is
this worked really well, guys, people use this for a
long time, This really excel people's shooting abilities, or this
may be a good idea that maybe wasn't as applicable
once it came to a product. So kind of offering
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those ideas or that that expertise, I feel is kind
of more where my role sits.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So, I mean, we had the end of this year
two big announcements from Glock, and like I said, got
people all into a tizzy. So first up the V
series and we've covered a bit, covered it a bit
and try to explain it. But it was kind of
surprising because I mean I heard people say they were
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confused about the V Series, and then Gen six was
announced not long after that, So how do you explain,
you know, to people like where they go, Okay, wait
a minute, now there's this V series, what is it
and how does it affect what was done in the past.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
The V Series.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think the common miscommunication that I've I've heard from
from individuals on social media or talking to people at
different events of the range is that we made the
V Series for California, which is not the case. The
V Series, in a simple nutshell, is essentially a new
baseline of our products, so we have we launched it
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first before Gen six, and it covered essentially all the
models that Gen six does it currently have With the
Gen six launch, of course, it's launching with three models,
the nineteen, the forty five and the seven and the seventeen.
So the V Series will have other models included than that,
like the twenty two MS or the twenty three MS,
so the G twenty mos, which we don't have yet
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in Gen six. So the V Series is a price
difference for that is essentially a Gen five same Gen
five features externally, but there was some internal changes for
manufacturing efficiency that we knew going into Gen six launch
coming right around the corner. So, like I said, in
a simple nutshell, the V Series is a baseline of
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product with availability that's not yet available in Gen six,
and then of course the Gen six.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Was followed right after that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So the V Series you kind of have like the
full line of what you've been doing in the past.
I mean, basically, the Gen five's kind of an update there, right, correct.
So somebody says, but the Gen six is an in
ten milimeter, Well you can buy a V Series and
also there'll be new Gen sixes. I mean, I'm not
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spilling the beans, and you haven't said anything to me.
I'm just saying, like, obviously Gen six is the new
hotness and you're going to keep expanding on that.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I mean, right.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And you know the idea I think was, you know,
with Gen six launch, we only have for the initial launch,
and we only have the three models, so uh, you know,
the G twenty super popular model, the G forty four,
the G nineteen X. Oh, those are popular models and
they're just not maybe Gen six yet, so we still
wanted to be able to offer those with the V series.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
There are an enormous amount of blocks out there that
are still in use, whether that's professionally for you know,
on duty or just people that shoot them all the
time in competition or whatever. Gen three is, Gen Force,
Gen five's Will people be able to like service those guns?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Are they just like discontinued? How does that work?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, Well, we we know that there's still Gen ones
and distribution Gen ones all the way to through Gen five.
We know that those those those pistols are obviously still
in the marketplace, so we we have a maintain parts
inventory and warranty and tech services will absolutely be able
to work on those pistols. So if an individual has
i'd say a Gen four seventeen and something happens where
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they need warranty work on it, then we'll still have
a parts inventory.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Where we can service those pistols.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just because we don't have a Gen five G seventeen
anymore or whichever model doesn't mean that that's that person
is now sitting on an island with that with that
particular pistol model.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That was a big concern for people because they they
love their glock and you know it may like I
love my Gen three and I'm not changing, like okay, fine,
well we got you.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
It's okay, yeah, yeah, we got you.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
So we ought to.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Talk about Gen six because that is, like I said,
the new hotness. I mean, I was out there and
I shot it. I'd like to talk before we kind
of get into it, talk about the development of this,
kind of what's the backstory, how long have you guys
been working on this, and maybe some of the testing
and what's how's this come together?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So Gen six has been a really there's been a
project long time in the making, is what I would say.
It's been around for a handful of years. And you know,
the last generation launch we had obviously was Gen five,
and I believe that was back in twenty seventeen or
twenty eighteen, so we're looking at almost an eight year
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gap between generational change. And granted with the Gen five
we filled in models after the initial launch for the
different calibers and different pistol sizes, but it's been a
long time since we've done a generational launch, and what
we did the backstory with the Gen six is, you know,
we took a lot of customer feedback over the years.
We've heard people talk about grip texturing. For example, we've
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heard about the undercuts, the beaver tails, some cosmetic looks
or what have you. As far as the customer feedback,
but we took all that feedback and that kind of
started the development of Gen six because we wanted to
offer a pistol, a design change or a feature update
that served the best served the customer. So we tried
tried our best to give everything we could, and it
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started with customer feedback. So I think, you know, over
the years, we've heard all these different things, these different ideas,
and you know, you've heard people stippling a grip or
changing out triggers or silicon carbide or something like that
grip tape. So we've heard all of these different things
that people are doing to their nor modifications that people
are doing to the pistol, and we're like, well, what if,
what if we can implement that here at the factory
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and then provide the customer with that from us and
it simplifies, hopefully simplifies the process for the end user.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I mean, one of the things that kind of came
to me as we were shooting these guns out at
your place is.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
For a lot of people, glock is where they start.
For a lot of.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
People, it is the first handgun they own. So if
we can make that first handgun ownership experience even better,
And there's a kind of an enormous responsibility for you
guys knowing like, hey, yeah, we're the gun that people
like default to. I mean it's like the Sharman you
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know of Kleenex or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Right, Like it's they start there if they.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Buy it and then they shoot it and enjoy it
because it's a shootable gun. That's gonna help. It's like, oh,
shooting guns is fun. Oh I can keep doing this.
I can expand what I'm doing here instead.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Of like yeah, I bought this thing, I shot it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I don't love it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It's not comfortable to shoot. Like these upgrades are yes
for the gun nerds.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
We love it. It's gonna help, you know, the guys.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Who are shooting USPSA or the or the cops on duty. Certainly,
but like there's to me, like there's kind of a
bigger overarching thing that this actually the Gen six can
actually help in gun ownership and gun rights.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and you know you mentioned the customer experience, that
the shooting experience.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
As a whole.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I think that's a really important factor that plays into
this because you know, if you if you're this is
your first, your first entrance into purchasing a pistol, right,
you buy uh, we'll say a G seventeen just to
make it simple, and you're shooting experiences it's not phenomenal. Well,
now you have you have all of these different options
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of things that you can do to modify.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Right. You can simple the grip, you can buy the
grip tape.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You can change your trigger, you can change your sides,
you can add optics, you can do all these stippling jobs.
There's so many modifications that you can do in it.
In my eyes, granted this is my personal opinion. To me,
it seems overwhelming to someone that's new, right, they don't
they may not understand all the different options that are available,
and then they get inundated with all these options of
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you can do this and this and this, and it's like, well,
what is best?
Speaker 5 (12:49):
What is good? What do I need? What do I
don't need? You know?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
What am I willing to spend my money on? So
I think if if like I said, we listened, tried
our best to listen to all of that customer feedback
at implement that here from the factory to not only
give them the best product, but also make that experience
so much better so that when they receive the product,
it feels great, it shoots great, it's extremely accurate. They
have all of these different feature updates that maybe could
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be inundating to them or overwhelming to them already implemented.
So it just eases the burden of what do I
need to change, what do I need.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
To do now? I just I have this pistol. I
love this pistol.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I love shooting the gun, because ultimately, when you buy
a pistol, if you don't enjoy shooting it, then you're
likely not going to shoot it very much.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, we can a.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Lot of people either don't know that they can do
those mods and upgrades or they're just not going to.
They go, well, I don't know, me should just be
this way out of the box, and it is. It's
great if you can give them something right out of
the box that is just like kind of optimized for
a good shooting experience. That Shane, There's certain things that
you guys did. There's a few things that you did
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Speaker 3 (16:26):
All right, we're back, Shane.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So I've probably done a mediocre job explaining, but I'm
gonna I'm gonna set it up for you and then
I'll let you actually tell us what's really going on here.
One of the things about glock pistols is you kind
of said, and you guys said it when I was there,
is like, look, these things are tried and true, super reliable,
(16:48):
super safe. We're not completely redesigning glock pistols, but we
are making some updates to it. One of the things
is obviously a lot of people are running optics on
their guns. The glock wasn't originally well, no gun before
you know whatever, ten years ago wasn't even designed for that.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And so now you're kind of seem to be making.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Some updates and improvements because you know, you have to
cut into the slide lowers everything. There's internals going on.
What did you do internally and why and help people understand,
you know, this part that they may not be able
to see.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You know that I did hear hear some of that
initially with the Gen six, as people were or were
kind of speculating what the Gen six was going to
be and some of the speculation was, you know, it
was going to be a complete design change, and obviously
that's not the case. That the Gen six does have
some updates and design changes and feature updates, but you know,
at the core, at the core of what the Gen
(17:45):
sis is, it's still everything that people know from Glock.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Still has the same durability, the same reliability.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But we did make some design changes and in regards
to like the optic the mounting, we have you know,
the new optic Optic Ready system, so it's three polymer
optic plates. But internally from that we changed the extractor module.
So in previous generations we had the EDP or the
extractor depressor plunger that was inserted from the rear of
the slide and it had an entire channel that it
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ran down where it made contact with the extractor. And
what that did is it shortened the thread that we
were able to drill into the slide to mount optics.
So because what would happen sometimes is if you put
lock tight on the optics screw and it was maybe
a touch too long, you could get locked tight into
the DP channel, which could then bind up the DP
and the extractor, or you could install a super long
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screw unintentionally and then bind up the DP that way.
So we remove the DP out of the rear of
the slide, and now we have an extractor module, which
is a really small piece that is spring loaded internally
that holds the extractor in place, but it frees up
the rear portion of the slide where we get a
much deeper thread pitch or thread channel, So now you
(18:55):
can use longer optic screws, we get more thread attachment,
and I think it increases the durability of the optic attachments.
So that's one internal change that you know, some people
may not see, but I think it was a very
good change because it offers more durability with optic mounting.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I mean, it makes a ton of sense to me,
and I could see you guys doing more of that
going forward.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I would.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I would think other gun companies would kind of making
those adjustments in maybe some legacy products where you say, yeah,
we're cutting into the slide now to mount these optics,
because that's kind of the common thing, and we need
to think about the internals if they weren't maybe optimized
for that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, Yeah, I agree. And you know, the big thing
with with optic mounting is everyone wants durability, right, no one.
No one wants to have screws that are sharing off
for optics that are losing zero or coming loose, or
screws backing out because there's not enough threat attachment. So
we looked at that and we saw that, Hey, there's
an opportunity for us to do this. Does this make sense?
Was this going to be Is this going to be
(19:56):
a benefit or a net positive for the end user?
I think I personally think it is. I think when
you know, when I look at the system. Now we
have the polymer optic plate and it kind of acts
as like a crush washer like we talked about at
the launch event. But we get that deeper thread and
it's a stronger attachment. And with us drilling into the
(20:17):
slide further with no EDP channel to worry about, then
we also get a lower a lower mounting of the
optic so it's.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
A little bit lower in the slide.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, talk about the testing you guys did, because I
mean it was kind of a team effort, I guess
between glock us and glock over in Austria. Talk about
all that because I'm sure that the testing was ridiculous there.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yes, I mean it was very extensive testing. We had
teams in the US and teams in Austria, very a
lot of collaborative efforts on both sides, and we talked
to them almost every single day and work extremely well together.
But the testing was very extensive. Like I said, Jen six,
the project itself has been round for a handful of years,
(21:01):
and with that there have been there have been different
development phases on you know, initial initial concept ideas that
we tested and maybe they did work, so okay, now
we go back to the drawing board on how do
we fix this? And that cycle happened pretty often until
we found or we got to the right solution.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
One of the things that we mentioned at the media
event was weren't we're not looking for the next the
next big thing. We're looking for the next right thing,
and we wanted to find the right solution for the customers.
So there was a lot of testing involved with that.
A lot of rounds fired out of the concept models,
even the even from a safety feature like drop testing.
(21:41):
On the panel discussion, Jeremy talked about that we dropped
from like thirteen different positions, and throughout those all of
those drop tests in different positions, we were not allowed
to have any indentations on the primer or we had
to go back. We had to go back and find
a solution for it if there was. And through all
the drop test we pass all the drop tests, we
pass all of our standard testing procedures.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
So as we.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Move into Gen six, the DNA of what block is
is still absolutely there liabilities, there are the durabilities there.
We just now have some of the feature changes.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Are there things you guys do in testing that maybe
others don't do, or you go like a little bit
further with it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'm not sure I can say that we do things
that others don't I can, but I can say that
our testing is extremely thorough. I think we sit we
sit down and we view every possible thing that could
potentially go wrong and try to address it to the
best of our abilities. And through through that ideology, we
have a very extensive testing process or procedure, and it's
(22:44):
extremely thorough. We a lot of rounds down range. Once
we get to maybe a design release, you know, once
we manufacture the molds or whatever, then there's a lot
of rounds put down range and there's a lot of
people involved in that testing process. So it's a very extensive,
very extensive testing, and it seems it works for us.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Shane, you're a guy who because you've been shooting competitions
for so long, you've you've run red dots on pistols
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Right, This is not a new idea to you. I
think the competition.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Guys were way ahead of that of like, yeah, we're.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Running these these crazy mounts and these crazy optics.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh you know twenty years ago.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yeah, early two thousands.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What is it.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
About putting dots on handguns that is perhaps challenging or
what could happen with guns with whether the way because
you think about it's running on a slide, that's reciprocating
back and forth. Talk about some of those things that
you've encountered over the years that people might run into.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think there's there, of course, can be a challenge
with optics mounted mounted on pistols. Now I think is
that has progressed in the industry that some of the
problems have gone away. Are some of the problems that
we saw initially have gone away? Because I mean you're
mounting an optic to a slide, this reciprocating at insane speeds,
(24:06):
And initially the question could be were the optics designed
to take a beating like that because you have to
slide going back and hit in the back of the
frame or the lock and block or a barrel lug
and then going back forward over and over and over again.
So was the optic design for this? Are we going
to hold zero? Are the screws built for this? Is
the material built for this? And I think a lot
(24:27):
of those issues have significantly gotten better over the years.
But I think one challenge with optics that people face
is they come from iron sights. It's always, you know,
every pistol known demand that that I'm aware of comes
with the set of iron sights. So that's generally what
a lot of people maybe shoot first or have experience on.
(24:48):
And there's a focal plane shift there, you're focused on
the front side target focus. There's kind of conflicting methodologies
in that idea. But then you go to an optic
and there is no real local plane shift. It's just
put the dot on the center of the target, and
it should simplify the process of shooting but oftentimes people,
well I can't find the dot?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
How do I find the dot? Sure? So I think
that's some challenges that people face.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And the simple rule of thumb that I offer offer
individuals with that is, if you find the front site,
you'll nine times out of ten find the dot.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, you know, crazy because we don't think about it much.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, if you just pick up and shoot guns,
you're not designing guns like this, This little electronic optic
with glass.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Is you're it's literally like you're.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Going punk punk punk punk punk punk punk punk.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, you know, if you're running it between two two
by fours and just hitting it, because I mean it's
it's running and stopping and running and stopping. It's it's
kind of remarkable that it actually just continues to work.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, And like I said, the technology that the optic
manufacturers have implemented into the optics over the years, I
significantly has increased since the early two thousands, Uh, I
started shooting optics on pistols, and back then we were
using crazy frame mounts where the optic was stationary, and
we still had optic issues back then. And I started
(26:09):
that in I think I started shooting a red dot
like two thousand and six, and they were doing that
before early I started. So even way back then we
had aluminum frame mounted optics where the optic was stationary,
but we still had optic issues because we were running
old red dot diodes mounted into the body of the
(26:31):
red dot itself, and we still had connectivity issues and
zero issues.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
We had screws backing out.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yeah, back then it was like I think it was
a two cycle that raimed it right.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You had to pull start it, you know, you oil
gas mixture right to get the red dot turned on?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Man, what else is going on.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
With you guys at Glock?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean these days it's kind of like Gen six
is the big deal.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
People.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's funny how this is always the case. That's no
matter of the company. You introduce something new and they go,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And then they are asking for like what's next? Or
how are you going to expand on it? I mean,
what has the reaction been?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
What's the feedback? Then?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Of course, right now Gen six is everything we're working on.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
So far.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I think the I think the reaction has been positive.
I haven't seen anything anything negative on it from from
my side, I think the market seems very excited for
the future updates and changes that we've implemented into Gen six.
The initial models, like I said, will be the G nineteen,
the G forty five, and the G seventeen. So that's
(27:39):
what we'll bring to market on be available January twentieth.
And of course, people, of course will always ask what's next,
And we're always in development, you know, So we always
tell people and it's true, we are always in development
of what's coming in the future. But with that, I
tell people to stay tuned because I can't I can't
spill all the secrets, you know that. But we always
(28:02):
have new stuff coming and we're trying to give the
best product we can to our customers.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Oh and I will say this, Shane.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
We went over there for this media event, this launch event,
and I've been to a lot of product launch events,
and sometimes the product is like not maybe not quite ready.
Perhaps you know, it's maybe it's like a it's an
initial production run, but there might be issues, right, whether
(28:31):
it's a Gono scope, whatever it might be like, you
run into some issues, especially when you get dozens of
people shooting thousands of rounds through this product. Sometimes there's hiccups,
and even then I'll kind of give people a pass
and go, Okay, they know there's an issue and they're
fixing it, and then whatever right you guys had. I
(28:52):
think eighty to one hundred people at this event, and
at least my session of shooting it, I had no issues.
I didn't see anyone else have any issues, which is
a great testament to like, this thing is ready to
roll right out of the gate.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
A variety of.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Shooters, different hands, different skill levels. I mean that that's
kind of been what you guys have always been known for.
I mean, you just anybody can pick these up and
shoot them, and they and they run reliably.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And I found that to be true on the Gen six.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, And I will say that after the media event,
I didn't hear of any malfunctions or any issues that
from from the range portion of the event. And I
would say that I think that's the testament to the
testing that we put into the pistol before we brought
it to market or brought it to the launch. And
also the team that was involved with this. We have,
like I said, we have an amazing team that has
(29:44):
been working on this for a really long time, and
we wanted to do everything we could to bring the
best product to the market, to offer to the offer
to our customers. And like you said, there's different hand sizes,
different grips, different grip strengths. There's a lot of different
variable when someone picks up a new pistol and shoots.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And at the end of the day, while Gen six
may somewhat look different half feature updates or changes, it
is still the core of what glock is. It still
has the same reliability that we've always been known for,
the same durability that we've always been known for.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Uh. That DNA still lives inside of the Gen six.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
All right, she as we as We got to wrap
up here.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Your favorite block and then what's what's one of the
guns that you guys have ever made, either making now
or made previously that you feels like underrated or underappreciated.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Huh, that's a great question. Uh favorite gun Man favorite
is always a tough question. Because I have this, there's
so many variables that favor what I'm using it for.
Uh Man, I think my new favorite of right now
I would have to say the G seventeen Gen six
(31:03):
because that's going to transition to my or be my
competition gun for for next year. Then I've shot, I've
put a lot of rounds through it. I've really really
enjoyed it. So I have to say that's my current favorite.
I think one that you said maybe underrated needs more love. Yeah, ah, man,
(31:25):
I think I think the G twenty, to be honest, Yeah,
twenty G twenty is.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
It's such a great pistol and it's uh, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Extremely easy to shoot, but the applications like are really
endless you use it. I mean I've heard of guys
that have used the G twenty for a carry gun,
which hey, more power to you. Uh, but guys that
go out west, guys are on hunts, guys that are
at super and outdoors. You know, I think the G
twenty is extremely versatile and its applications, and I've I've
(31:56):
had a ton of fun shooting one. Even with I'm
some hard casts two twenty green hardcast bullets, it's still
very very controllable.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And you know what's funny, and that is true and
a ten milimeter pistol. I've shot a variety of ten
and some you're like, god, he the power of the ten,
and then some are super shootable like, it's almost not
that much difficum nine, believe it or not.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, and I think that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, the G twenty is is a very shootable ten milimeter,
And obviously it's fun shooting ten because then you go, man,
you feel like you can kind of stretch it out,
you know, some longer distance shots.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You do some hunting with it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Obviously, for like western or up north carry which is
a is a nice option. The old school guys would
carry a forty four mag or forty four special. But
it's kind of nice having more rounds, like double the
rounds and the gun.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, and a little bit easier to run it.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And you know, I shot a G twenty four, which
is a forty cal for years and years and years.
I have hundreds of thousands of rounds on one of
those one of those pistols, and the forty is essentially
just a short ten millimeters. So I was kind of
expecting a similar recol impulse, and when I got my
(33:18):
first G twenty, it almost the same.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Even.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I mean, of course, when I go to a super
hot ammo or like a hunting load, of course I
can feel obviously feel the difference in the recoil, but
it's still extremely manageable. Uh So the shooting experience as
a whole lot I thought was was really awesome with
the with the G twenty.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, that's a I don't know if it's underrated because
there are some cult followers of that gun in that
party of that cartridge.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
So that's fun. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Well, Shane, thanks for me all this, and uh, I'll
see you soon in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Right man, yep, we're gearing up for Shaho.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
That's from the Horse's mouth, Shane Coley, Team Glock, the
V series, the Gen six, go check them out. I mean,
it's good to see a trusted platform but doing some
new updates.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
And I personally I like the beaver tail. I like
the flat trigger.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's these are these things that are noticeable and kind
of improve the shooting experience.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
So thanks again man.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
All Right, that's it for us, everybuddy.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
We will see you next time on Guntagnation
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