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-- Federal court rules a law is unconstitutional but won't kill it. Also, the government asks for the member names of gun rights groups. Adam Kraut, from the Second Amendment Foundation, explains this incredible situation.
-- FEDEX won't ship silencers or guns even though that's legal. Brandon Maddox of Silencer Central brings the latest.
-- Simple gear can save your life outdoors.
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-- Federal court rules a law is unconstitutional but won't kill it. Also, the government asks for the member names of gun rights groups. Adam Kraut, from the Second Amendment Foundation, explains this incredible situation.
-- FEDEX won't ship silencers or guns even though that's legal. Brandon Maddox of Silencer Central brings the latest.
-- Simple gear can save your life outdoors.
Gun Talk 10.12.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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All right, back with you, Tom Gresher, but it's gun
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We had an interesting case broke this week. I mean
it's like it's the ongoing thing. All of these cases
like go on and on and on, and you know,
you're decided about. A district court goes to it, a
appelic court goes maybe back to a district court, maybe
goes you never know, but it bounces around. That's why
(00:36):
people like Adam Kroud at the Second Man Foundation make
the big bucks at them because you get to deal
with all this stuff. Yeah, maybe not so much.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's part of the job of dealing with this stuff.
And I'm not sure I'd have it any other way
other than some of the frustrations that come with it.
Because this one, as you said, was a big decision
that did not really give us what we were looking for.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it's the weirdest thing. Okay, we're talking about the
Rees decision. Basically down Louisiana suing because eighteen nineteen twenty
year olds can't buy a handgun legally under our federal
law and pick it up from there. I mean, they
got the District court and then it went to the
Fifth Circuit and then back to district.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, so this case was filed, and you mentioned how
long this stuff takes. This case was filed November of
twenty twenty, and the challenge was to the federal prohibitionion
on eighteen to twenty year olds from being able to
either purchase or have a handgun transfer to them by
a federal license you know FFL. You know, in some
states private party transactions for those that in that age
(01:47):
is perfectly fine, but federal of prohibits them from obtaining
a handgun from a dealer. So November twenty twenty, all
of our plaintiffs at the time, I think we're about
eighteen years old. So we're now we're now almost five
years past that point with the judgment finally and all
those people have aged out. That's problem number one. So
(02:09):
you're right. The District court originally upheld the law saying
it was constitutional. It went up on appeal to the
Fifth Circuit. The Fifth Circuit reversed and said that the
law is unconstitutional and send it back down to the
district court. There was some arguing with the government as
to what the judgment should look like, based on the
recent Supreme Court decision in Trump versus Casa, where the
(02:33):
Supreme Court basically said that universal injunctions, believe that those
exceeded the equitable authority granted to it by Congress as
to what courts could do. So, the government's kind of
taken this position in a lot of litigation, and we
saw this leading up today, not just the government's position,
but how courts were starting to decide cases in that
(02:55):
where you would bring a lawsuit ask the court to
declare it on constitutional and asked the court to enjoin
the enforcement of that law as to everybody. The courts
on their own started to narrow it to say, like, well,
we're not going to do it as to everybody, but
if you are a named plaintiff or you're an institutional organization, like, well,
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if we enjoy the law, we'll do that as to
you named parties and members of the named parties. So
in this case, the court came back and entered its
judgment saying that the law and regulations are unconstitutional and
they violate the Second Amendment. It declared that it was
unconstitutional with respect to the named individual kids who are
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no longer kids.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They're all adults who can buy a handgun.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now, yeah, I mean they were adults at the beginning,
but now they're over twenty one. And then it was
as to individuals and FFLs who were members of the
Staff or the other two institutional parties at the time
the action was filed back at November twenty twenty. They're
saying you had to have been a member then for
(04:04):
this to apply to you. And then the court went
a step further and said that within twenty one days
of the judgment being issued, the plaintiffs that were identified,
So the institutional ones have to provide defendants of verified
list of members as of that November data filing.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
All right, So what they're saying is SAFF and the
other organizations have to send the government a list of
members as of that date in twenty twenty. That you
got to be pushing back on that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh, absolutely, there's tons of problems with that. First of all,
Staff never has and will not provide a list of
our members to the government. There's a whole host of
issues with that, including freedom of association and First Amendment issues,
and we're just not going to do that. So our
members can rest assured that we and the other institutional
(04:59):
plaintiffs have all greed like that's just not happening. So
and we're working with our lawyers to you know, figure
out a pathway to appeal this and get that part
struck out of the order because none of us are
willing to do that, let alone the just It's just
not going to happen. So we are going to be
challenging that, and it's just something we're not We're absolutely
(05:21):
not going to do. So that that took everything a
step even further by the court ordering you know, the
membership to be provided.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, all right, but there's a part of this that
I want to go back to because I mean, not
being a lawyer, okay, and I'm looking at this and going, okay,
the court ruled district course says, all right, this law
is unconstitutional. So it's it's it violates the Second Amendment.
So it violates the Second Amendment for everybody everywhere in
(05:53):
the United States. But we're only going to apply it
to the members of this organization, and everybody else is
going to still suffer this infringement on the Second Amendment rights.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, not only that, the Court wentn't even a step
further and said that it's only as to those those
members the date the lawsuit was filed.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So if we're going staff today, we're not covered by that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, according to this order, the court is saying that.
And then on top of that, the Court is also
saying that we're eliminating the scope of the injunction geographically
to the states that are within the Fifth Circuit, So Mississippi, Louisiana,
which is where it originated from, Oh, Texas.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So everybody else you could be we're going to violate
your rights. But only if you live in these certain
states are you going to be protected, And only if
you're this certain age, and only if you were a
member of this organization in twenty twenty. That just almost
seems like a nondecision.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, I mean yeah, but more or less what it is.
I mean, if you do the math on it, In
order for you to have for this injunction to actually
matter for you, aside from whether the government knows who
you are or aren't, you would have had to have
been a member of any of these organizations when you
were thirteen, fourteen, or fifteen years old. It's weird because
(07:11):
the court says, yes, the law is unconstitutional, as you mentioned,
and then on the other hand says, but all the
people that are going to be covered by the injunction
of the the enforcement of the law probably don't even
exist to a large extent, if at all.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It is unconscionable to say this law is unconstitutional and
it violates the Constitution, the Second Amendment. But we're not
going to give relief to everybody on it. Only to
these very select I mean the number of people that
could be counted on two hands. Perhaps that just seems crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, I'm right there with.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You, okay. So I mean I can tell from now
right now, you're going to be Appelia. You're probably looking
at are there back door ways or conversations that could
be had to maybe make this better.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Well, again, it's the court's order. This wasn't you know,
this wasn't solely on the government's lap. So I don't
think it's fair to point the finger directly at the
government and say, like we can fix it directly with
that we might be able to come to some kind
of agreement and then together go to the court and
say like, hey, maybe you get rid of this part.
And then we still take issue with obviously the geographic
(08:19):
boundary part of it. But so there are some things
that we might be able to try to negotiate to
get the government on board with as far as being
on the same cage and then going back to the court.
But this order said within twenty one days. So what
we'll be doing is, you know, we're starting at the
District courd and if that doesn't go our way, you know,
Fifth Circuit, and then potentially an emergency petition to the
(08:40):
Supreme Court to at least get this stopped in the
interim while we sort this out.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I know we got deeply under the weeds, but I
wanted people to understand how crazy this stuff is and
this current decision is nuts where it says, you know,
yes it's unconstitutional, but you the rest of you have
to still suffer under an unconstitutional law. Keep us posting
on this.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Would you, ad Yeah, absolutely, very good.
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Hi, I'm Kim Rody from California.
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Speaker 2 (11:25):
Always good to hear from an Olympic athlete, six time
medal winner at six different Olympic Games in shooting, Kim Rody,
She is awesome. So I like to give you I
don't know if you like to hear them, but I
like to give him anyway, I like to give you
the Mountain weather reports. So we had the clouds came
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in last night.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It rained.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Poor people had a wedding schedule yesterday evening and they
got rained on rained overnight. We got low clouds right
now and it kind of comes down and lifts and
comes back up. We're not going to get out of
the thirties today. And as the clouds lift a little bit,
I'm looking across the lake right now starting to see
what we used to call it an Alaska termination dust.
(12:12):
That is, this would happen to get the low clouds
and they would lift, you would see snow on the mountains.
And then each time it happened, if we come back
here in a few days and rain, clouds would lift
and the snow line got lower and lower, and we
call it termination dust because it marked the termination of summer. Well,
(12:33):
we got it. We got some snow out there in
the mountains. I don't know how much, and maybe just
a dusting. But I'm watching it because two days, two days, well,
maybe everything is variable when it comes to weather. We're
going to fly into the back country here in at
the frank Church Wilderness Area for an elk hunt maybe.
(12:58):
I mean, it'd be great back there, and we've got
some fresh snow and it stirs up the animals and
it's kind of like duck hunters are always talking about
the northern birds and we had some weather up there,
and to move the northern birds down here. Hope springs
eternal and you're a hunter and a fisherman, and so
we're thinking, well, maybe this will move the alchoroum. We're
going to go into camp where you actually fly in
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land on a gravel air strip, get on horses in
the packstring, we pack in and then we've got a
camp set up. And when we camp there for a week.
The deal is. And as I tell the people who
go with me, when it comes to weather in small planes,
I don't take chances and I don't push weather. And
(13:47):
if we get a good weather opening, I don't mind going.
If we got an out, we always have to have
an out. But if it looks like it's a sucker
hole where they say, okay, well I'll go up and
take a look. Oh yeah, but what if it closes
in before you get back. I've had that happen. I
think it was Birchwood Airport, just north of Anchorage. Sat
on the ground overcast, couldn't get where I wanted to go,
(14:11):
and I thought, well we just well sit here and wait,
and started opening up. I thought, oh good, I want
to get out of here there are a lot of
people waiting to get out. So I took off, but
I kind of circled up through this hole and got
up on top. As far as I could see, which
was one hundred miles in all directions, there was nothing
but a solid cloud layer below me. And I'm at
(14:33):
this point of VFI pilot insides those clouds are full
of ice, and it's really a bad idea to go
take a small plane and fly through clouds and have
ice in them. And as I look down this hole
that I just climbed up through starting to close back up, man,
I cut the power and threw it over on one
wing point of that wing at the ground and spiraled
down through that hole. And by the time I got
(14:56):
back on the ground landed and I'm taxi in through
the fog. I am picking up a huge layer of
ice on the propeller as I'm taxing. That would have
been in a bad situation. This is how we learn,
and so probably we're going in on Tuesday. I don't know. Now.
(15:19):
The fun part is tomorrow I get to go pick
up my moose meat good old freight train. The processor says,
come pick him up. He's ready to go. I don't
know yet how many pounds of package meat it's gonna be.
I'm guessing maybe three hundred pounds, and I'm hoping it
will all fit into one freezer. I've cleaned out a
(15:41):
freezer in anticipation of putting the moose in there. I'm
not sure what I'm going to do if it won't
hold all of it, because I don't really have more
freezer space. That's when you put out a call to
your friends, who has room in a freezer for some stuff.
We'll see how that goes. And then the question becomes, so,
(16:05):
if your freezer's full, you got all this meat, Now
you're going elk hunt? Does that affect I what you
decide in terms of what you're gonna shoot? Are you
gonna hold out for a bigger one? And say, well,
I'm not hunting for meat. I don't know. I don't
know yet. And then I got a mule deer hunt
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coming right on the heels of the elk hunt. It's
gonna be a good fall. Gonna spend a lot of
time out there in the mountains, in the woods taking
the three thirty eight out six out for elk. It's
the same rifle I use on moose, but of course
probably could have used a two two three on the
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moose because, as I told you before it the only
shot I had was the head. It's all I could see.
So I shot him the head and dropped him right
there in the middle of the trail. Didn't really need
a big three thirty eight six for that. Almost anything
would have worked on elk. Yeah. The only thing about
the three thirty eight out six using two hundred and
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twenty five grain bullet is to get more drop out
of it. And I'm not using a dialing scope. That's
I just don't. So you get four hundred yards sighted
three and a half inches high, one hundred going to
get about twenty inches a drop. It's a lot. I mean,
I could do it, especially since you've got good range
finders tells you how far things are. Yeah, can do it,
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but I'd rather be closer. We'll see. I do have
the two eighty four as a backup. Always, always, always
have a backup rifle. You get into camp like that,
it's a long way back to you know, it's not
like you can drive back into town. And what I
have decided, and some of these hills are steep and
you got rocks and if you slip, fell down, fell
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on top of your rifle, slid down a hill on
top of your gun, which, by the way, is one
of the reasons we always carry an empty chamber when
we're walking around out there. Only when we were right
on top of animals we see animals that we put
around in the chamber because if I slip and want
to end up falling down a hill, I don't really
want to round in the chamber then. So but what
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I'm saying is that if I did that, if I
slipped or dropped the rifle and it bounced down there,
I'm not gonna bother with sighting it in. I'm making
sure it's on. I'm just going back to camp and
getting the other rifle, and if I have time, yeah,
we can check and see if it's still on. But
when you're in the middle of the hunting area and
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we're talking about an area that all we're doing is
walking because when they drop us off with the horses,
they take the horses, so we don't have certainly don't
have a wheeled vehicle, we don't even have horses. We're
just walking out of camp each day. So it's not
as though you can. Well, I'll drive a few miles
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away to sight in my rifle so the sound the
noise doesn't disturb the animals. Oh no, no, no, we're right
there amongst them. It was a last year, Yes, same camp.
Last year. We had trouble going to sleep one night
because there were so many elk around us and they're
calling and bugling, and the cow calling and w be
just all over us. Next morning I went out nearby
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and I think I saw thirty something elkohol within three
hundred yards easy shooting distance, and not a single antler
among them, all cows. Uh, well, that's okay, it's I
had a good time. Yeah, and my tag is for
a bull only, So I had a good time. Let's
go Greg Greg online too, out of Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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Hey Greg, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Hey Tom, what are you doing, sir?
Speaker 10 (19:51):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Oh man? I was just coming here a screener. U.
I went to the gun range stay with my son
and to know my brand new guys really fourteen inch
super Duty, which is a sweet gun. I had problems
with the munition, ammo. I had a major malfunction. My
son got a face full of powder and the case
(20:17):
was stuck inside the chamber. I couldn't get the bolt
back at all. I had to use a brass punch
to actually get the bolt opened up and the case.
The case looks like it didn't blow up, but it's
definitely messed up. And I'm going to end up giving
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them a call tomorrow. But I don't know if anybody
else has had any kind of issues with the Freedom munitions.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And this is the company that makes the Amos Freedom munitions.
Have you used their ammal before?
Speaker 9 (20:49):
Yeah? Yeah, And it's funny because I actually used it.
In threeh eight. I got a Patriot Arness Set three
three eight. I think it's a role here something like that.
But I had the same issue where I keep having
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kept having the mess fires and failure to extract. And
I actually kept the case from that too. It wasn't
as mangled as the the five five six was, but
the lip on the three A eight just got torn away.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I would say at this point, I know you're going
to do it anyway. You don't need me to tell
you this, but don't shoot that AMMO anymore. Contact them.
I switched to some other brand of Ammo for now,
and but said, look this what's going on guys, And
also you might want to even go online and ask
if does anybody else have a problem with this? People?
You know, the brand is free dimunitions. I don't know
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if this is reloaded Ammo re manufactured, or if it's
new Ammo, if they're using new cases or fired cases.
But there's some questions to ask. But I think just
from a safety standpoint, no matter who the manufacturer is,
I would stop using the Ammo until I got it
sorted out. I wish you luck with it. I'm glad
everybody was wearing glasses and didn't get hurt and didn't
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lose a visions or something like that. Eight sixt' six
talk gun. All right, So this story just broke, and
we really need to cover this. You know, there are
a lot of things going on in the Second Amendment
world that don't actually involve going to you know, litigation
(22:35):
or not the kind that you think of. It's like
not laws and things like that. Sometimes and we know
this from the operation choke point. Sometimes it's the banks
doing things against gun companies or people in our industry. Well,
another one of those stories just broke and we're joined
right now by Brandon Meddox from Silence or Sense on Brandon,
what the heck just happened with you and FedEx?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You know, they canceled our contract because they they're unwilling
as a shipping company to ship firearms to consumers directly.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But you had gone through like what months of discussions
with them and negotiations. Hadn't they actually been to your
place and they knew what you made.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I mean, they knew exactly what we were doing. They
knew our business model. I think it was a you know,
right hand until the left hand what was going on,
and the sales guy sort of over committed, you know,
because reality is, we knew this because we had signed
a contract with them in twenty twenty one, and then
they approached us about a year ago and said, hey,
we'd like to have all your business, even your consumer
direct business, which you know is gunsmith thing we thread barrels,
(23:36):
which is silence through to your front door. And we said, hey,
you've got a policy against that. They said, oh no,
we don't we change that. So we're thinking, hey, new
president office. You know, hopefully they you know, wised up
and decided to be more Second Amendment friendly. So yeah,
they came out here. They knew exactly what we're doing.
They knew our model. I mean they even had set up,
you know, processes for if they delivered to consumer they're
(23:56):
not there, how they would get it, how many attempts
they would make. They clearly I knew what we were doing.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
The big issue for us is why is UPS willing
to ship arms to consumers? Why is the Post Office?
But then FedEx is the only one that's unwilling to
ship a firearm to a consumer. It just it seems
like they need a little pressure to do a policy change.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, okay, so obviously this is a I look at
it as a Secondmendment issue for you, it's a breacher
contract issue.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, exactly. And that's basically you know, we're suing them
in federal courts. So we dropped that case yesterday, so
we haven't. Yeah, so we're going to sue them for that.
You know, it put us in a bad situation too.
I mean, basically, you call ap UPS and say, hey,
you're an only option, let's try to negotiate. You your
negotiating against yourself, So it ends up being you know,
more expensive from a business perspective, I think they did
(24:44):
us ride, but still it put us a tough situation
to be told, hey, you know you got to reprogram
all your computers and retrain all your employees at your
forty two locations and make a change within thirty days.
You know, they FedEx knows that they're up to no
good because they said, hey, if we extend it a
little bit longer, where you can get on better footing
with this, you know, keep you from suing us. We're
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basically like, oh, so they know that they're doing something
they shouldn't be doing, and they basically made a mistake
and telling you they were going to do it in
the first place.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So the question here is it's like some of these
other companies, the banks and all that started to d
bank gun companies people in their farms industry. You got FedEx.
It takes a very strong anti gun stance, and really
there's really only three options. You got the Post Office,
fed X, and UPS. And I'm just wondering is their
way for US guns individual people to put any kind
(25:38):
of pressure on FedEx to get them to change their policy,
because they're basically restricting the ability to move products that
are highly regulated and absolutely legal.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I was talking to Soul this
morning and they brought up the fact that it puts
an additional burden too on the FBI for background checks,
because if you think about it, if we threat a
barrel and they're unwilling to allow us to ship that
firearm back to the consumer that send it to us,
we have to send it to their local dealer. Their
local dealer's got to do a background check on them.
So now the FBI is involved, it's putting more you know,
(26:11):
sort of volume into the system that shouldn't be there
in the first place. Yeah, whatever you recommend, whatever, I
think that my encouragement is to get involved with either
going to the social media for FedEx or calling them
directly and asking them why are they unwilling to ship
farms to consumers? They'll ship everything else that's lawful commerce.
(26:32):
Why will they not ship farms? Obviously they think it's
a reputational risk. I mean, you know, we spend five
to six million dollars a year with FedEx. We had
a two year contract, so we know they walked away
from at least twelve or fifteen million dollars. So to them,
they're more concerned about the way they look. So I'm
hopeful that other people involved in the firearms industry and
in farms business and own firearms would put pressure on
(26:52):
them and let them see that, hey, if you lose
business from people, can offset more than what they're going to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Lose from us, well exactly. And this might not be
one of those where you got Congress involved or in
the DOJ, but it may be just one of those.
Will let's use consumer pressure and not calling for a boycott,
but calling for input.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Maybe maybe the social media aspect going on X, going
on Facebook, going to the pages that FedEx has and
the first hundred they ignore, the first thousand they ignore.
Will you get to ten thousand or one hundred thousand,
it's pretty hard to ignore that.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
No, one hundred percent. I totally agree. I mean, it's
it's a simple question, Hey, we want to get a
change your policy. Why are you unwilling to ship farms
to consumers? You ship everything else that is, you know,
part of lawful commerce. Why will you not ship fires?
It's a legitimate question that they're probably unwilling to ask
and hope that we'll just go away.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's virtue signaling is what they're doing. So all right,
So how's the silencer business these days?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You know, honest truth is it's it feels slow because
everyone's waiting for the tax change, you know, the tax stamp.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's what I was going to see.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yeah, literally, you know, sixty day the market's going to
flood because of the two hundred dollars tax is going away.
There's a lot of people out there, myself included that
even if we're willing to pay for the tax stamp,
they just don't like the government getting that two hundred.
So I get it. I mean, you know, Silence Essentral
is willing to pay the tax stamp, but I get it.
There's a lot of people on the fence waiting for
that law to change, and I think it's going to
(28:18):
blow it wide open.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
What did you just say, Solnce or Central is willing
to pay the tax stamp. What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, so Silences or Central is paying the tax stamp
for consumers right now. So you know, if you go
to our website, there's a signwenchar you want most of
them we have or we'll cover the tax stamp for you.
You know, even negotiated with other manufacturers where you know,
they'll pay percent that we pay percent, and then we
get a rebate on a future order. So it ends up,
you know, covering the tax stamp. Now, we feel like
there's probably people out there that are afraid that January
(28:45):
inventory may be limited, and if everyone buys it once
in January, the timeline is going to be longer to
buy one. Of course, the government being shut down right
now is going to not help that situation. But you know,
if people get one now right now, we're seeing it.
Aprovals on silencers literally eighty percent of approvals come back
same day.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well as we're talking right now today we still have
the government shut down. Are they processing these right now?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
No, they're not. I mean there I shouldn't say that
they're they're I mean we're processing far as we're putting
them into their system. I mean you are, Yeah, they're
just they're not approving them.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, but as soon as that's you know, but you
make a good point if people are waiting right now
and saying, well, you know, in January, there won't be
a two hundred dollars tax, Yeah, but now you're going
to have maybe a five to ten fifty increase fifty
fold increase in people buying, and you could really look
at some long way times and right now you don't
even at least we don't have to pay the tax
(29:40):
stamp if you're willing to buy it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Absolutely, yeah, no, totally, that's our that's sort of our pitch. Hey,
we only got sixty days left, but if you want
to get your name in early, we'll pay the tax
stamp for you and you know, keep everybody happy, keep
commerce moving, and keep everything. Yeah, I mean we I say,
we got one hundred and seventy employees in this building,
so we had to keep them busy. So I said, hey,
let's just lose money and pay the tax stamp. The
bank's been fine to kind of help you float it,
(30:03):
so it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Banks are always willing to loan you money, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, especially when I could convince them that we're going
to blow it up in January because they're looking at
what demand will be after the tax stamp goes away.
They're like, all right, we'll float you for We'll float
you for the last six months.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
All right, Well, obviously we're going to do the call
out to ask people to go on social media and
call out FedEx and say, hey, why are you discriminating
against guns and gun owners? But before we go, you
got to tell me what are you hunting this fall? Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
What am on this fall? So I'm gonna go duck
hunting in Canada a couple of weeks. I think I
got two wolf hunts in Canada, actually one of Montana,
one in Canada. I always like the wolf every year,
but I think a late season duck in Canada could
be a game, you know, game changer.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I know you're allow that that'll be fun. My
stiles are stuff for dot com obviously. Randon Maddox, thank
you so much, appreciate your time and letting us know
what's going on with FedEx. That is, it is time
for us to get on them to have them change
this antiquated policy of theirs.
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Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, I guess we all to keep talking because well, yeah,
we still got show left to go. Actually half the
show's only gone, so we're having fun out here. I'm
Tom Gresher. By the way, look it out the window,
watching the weather change by the minute. It's crazy. It's
that transition time. If you like the outdoors, you generally
are a weather watcher. And I'm watching the sun coming
(33:35):
out and the fog comes in, the rain starts, and then
it starts all over again. One of the things I
would like to address, just for a moment, is the
idea that we talk safety here a lot. We talk
about safety with guns, safety, situational awareness. When you're out
and about. Right now, it's the time when you can
(33:56):
really get into trouble outdoors, and not with guns and
with critters, but with weather. That is, basically, you can
take a little hike and get caught by weather and
that stuff will kill you. And I just make a
suggestion a few little things to carry with you. A
small little backpack doesn't have to be much or anything.
They'll knapsack, backpack, extra jacket. Even if you think, oh
(34:19):
it's warm right now, yeah, it may not be later.
Absolutely positively, some kind of ring top to keep you
dry if you get a shower, because if you get wet,
you can get hypothermia, and hypothermia can kill you. Maybe
one of those emergencies. The space blankets that weigh like
two ounces or three ounces.
Speaker 11 (34:38):
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Speaker 2 (34:39):
Certainly your phone and now if you've upgraded it to
the latest operating system. Even if you don't have cell
phone service, you can send text out using satellite service
with your iPhones. So that's a and learn how to
use that. It's a really good service. It really works
pretty well as an emergency. You could save your bacon.
(35:01):
The other thing is make sure somebody knows where you're
going and when you're coming back and tell somebody sit
up a text, leave them a message, Hey, i'm parking
my car here, I'm going to walk up this trail.
We'll be back in three hours. Barring that, if you
have no one to tell, you can leave a note
(35:24):
on the dash of your car. If they come out
like the next day and the rangers find or police
find your car still sitting there, and they go, well's
that doesn't look right? And see a note, Go okay,
there's two people up that trail, they'll read it. Go
get them. Just you know, stuff happens, and look, the
wather absolutely will get you in real trouble. So just
be aware. Okay, we please, all right, we are open
(35:46):
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self defense, target shooting, maybe getting a gun for a youngster.
By the way, you got holiday seasons coming up, Christmas
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If you're going to be given somebody a gun, maybe
a new gun, or maybe even one of your guns
(36:06):
from your safe that you can present with the stories
of that. All right, let's go grab Matthew out of
Marry Louisiana. Matthew, you're on gun dog. What's you're thinking?
Speaker 9 (36:16):
So?
Speaker 12 (36:16):
I think part of the reason why you see such
caution and these weird decisions cutting down around gun rights
and other things too, is because the Supreme Court issued
an instruction to judges that know your injunction against deporting
(36:37):
illegal aliens cannot apply to all the illegal aliens as
a class. And the thing is that the Trump administration
doesn't want to take the argument that the Second Amendment
being a real right is incorporated under the fourteenth Amendment,
where it's the right to be in the country is.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Not in the constitution.
Speaker 12 (36:58):
There's nothing, no right to immigration to the United States.
But they don't want to argue that case for reasons.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So what do you think should be done.
Speaker 12 (37:10):
I think they should go ahead and argue that the
Second Amendment is a real right incorporated under the fourteenth
Amendment and applied across the country.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Okay, what I don't know. In fact, I've not heard
of anybody within the administration talking about that. Have you
picked up anything it talked about anybody at the DOJ
taking that tact?
Speaker 12 (37:38):
No, I haven't. I haven't heard about that that. We
haven't talked about incorporation in the Second Amendment community in
it quite a while. I think it was after was
it McDonald Berlin, but before Briwin McDonald.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yes, that's a thing, yep, exactly right, yep. So all right, well,
interesting take you know what, I'll pass it along to
some of the folks that I know. Thanks. I appreciate
that call yeah, Otis McDonnell. Of course, that was an
important case after Heller before Bruin, not as well known,
but a very important case as well. We have some
(38:19):
others coming up we have, of course, the Supreme Court
has just agreed to hear another Second Amendment case. When
they accepted it granted cert on it, they narrowed the
scope of it, because the Supreme Court likes to do that.
They like to narrow the scope as much as they
can on our cases so they can make very targeted decisions.
(38:42):
I kind of understand what they're doing. At the same time,
we're just having infringements on our Second Amendment rights all
over the place, and I would really like to see
some more widespread, some more sweeping decisions that protect Americans
in their constitutional rights to keep in bare arms. Now,
(39:03):
we'll keep our fingers crossed, right.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A few minutes ago, we had something I called him
had a problem, actually problem two different rifles shooting munitions
are freedom munitions ammunition, and I've not shot that ammunition before,
I've heard of it. Kim Is called in out of
Grant's Pass Oregon, and Kim, I gather you've got to
experience with Freeing Munitions help me out.
Speaker 10 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean they're based out of Idaho, your territory,
And I ordered some one hundred and sixty eight grain
Amax thirty odd six AMMO because I got a Savage
trail hunter that I converted into a PRS rifle and
I fired twenty five rounds last week. It was accurate.
Ammo didn't have any issues. So you gave them good
(39:55):
advice to go to the company and talk to them
about it. And I hate to s a good AMMO
company get a bad rap.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yes, I agree, that's why I said, Look, I'm not
saying that there's anything wrong with I said, look, just
call them, find out what's going on. Stuff happens. I
have had any number of AMMO companies say, look, we've
had a problem with a particular lot. We had an issue.
We're doing a recall on it. Sometimes they don't know
until somebody notifies them. They go, oh, let's go take
a look at that, and they go, oh, wow, we
had an issue for an hour on one of the
(40:25):
loading machines that we're not aware of. That kind of
a thing. So yeah, getting back to them and letting
them know could help. You also could help them.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
Yeah, well you should look them up Freedom Ammunition.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I will do that. I figure out where they are,
we'll go by and say hello. Because I mean, Io
is not that big a state. It only takes you
nine hours to drive from one corner to the other. Seriously,
nine hours.
Speaker 10 (40:48):
They're based out of Lewiston, Idaho.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I think, oh, okay, that's only four hours from my house.
So it's just a short drive around here. We drive
two hours to go get groceries.
Speaker 10 (40:58):
I mean, it's you know, competitive AMMO, and so you
have to look at a lot of different companies if
you're not a reloader.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Right, if I.
Speaker 10 (41:07):
Started reloading and getting into that, my wife would probably
divorce me.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So it's a whole nother activity. It does take up
not only a lot of room, but a lot of
your time. So there you go. Look, I got it screwed.
I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, Freedom Munitions. If they're
in Lewiston, my guess is that somehow, somewhere along the way,
they were probably a spin off because there's another big
(41:32):
company making AMMO in Lewiston. We know them as Cci Spear. Yeah,
they make primers there. They make han Ganamo and make
rif Leamo and the rim Fire AMMO huge operation there.
And so if there's another AMMO company in a small
town like that, as often happens, if you try it back,
I'll bet you there's some kind of connection that maybe
(41:55):
that it was started by people used to work there.
I mean, we've seen that with other companies. Night Nighthawk
Custom really good. Nineteen eleven's the folks there I believe
came out of Wilson Combat. See it over and over again,
happens that way. So, by the way, the Montana Rifle
Company really good, Bultex and rifle companies, they're not made
Montana anymore. The folks at Nighthawk Custom I bought them
(42:19):
and they're now out of Arkansas or Wabit. This Cooper
came out of Montana and Montana Rifle Company. One of
them went to Nighthawk Custom. Oh man, someone's gonna have
to fill me in if you know where each of
them went. To fill me in, because now I'm getting
it all confused. There's too many companies moving around, and
(42:39):
of course now we've got I don't even know if
you saw this. Smith and Wesson now has a full
blown training center in Tennessee. They usually have to Smith
and Weston Academy up in Springfield, Massachusetts, and then they
shut it down. I don't know, fifteen years ago or something,
it was a good facility. But now they're going to
have an even bigger, better, newer facility with really good trainers.
(43:03):
And they're just getting started and we'll get them on
the show soon. We'll have some more information about what
they're doing there. But hey, it's great to have another
really good training facility that people can go to. We
have more people with concealed carry permits, more people carrying
in constitutional carry states, and honestly, I think they all
need training of some sort. I'm not saying that ought
(43:24):
to be required. I'm just saying if you're smart and
you want to be competent, and the two go together,
then you ought to go get training. And frankly you
ought to commit to recurrent training every year or every
other year. We'll get some more good training. All right,
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, back with you, Tom Gresher, but it's gun
Talk eight six six Talk gun or Tom Talk Gun.
We had an interesting case broke this week. I mean
it's like it's the ongoing thing. All of these cases
like go on and on and on, and you know,
you're decided about. A district court goes to it, a
appelic court goes maybe back to a district court, maybe
goes you never know, but it bounces around. That's why
(00:36):
people like Adam Kroud at the Second Man Foundation make
the big bucks at them because you get to deal
with all this stuff. Yeah, maybe not so much.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's part of the job of dealing with this stuff.
And I'm not sure I'd have it any other way
other than some of the frustrations that come with it.
Because this one, as you said, was a big decision
that did not really give us what we were looking for.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it's the weirdest thing. Okay, we're talking about the
Rees decision. Basically down Louisiana suing because eighteen nineteen twenty
year olds can't buy a handgun legally under our federal
law and pick it up from there. I mean, they
got the District court and then it went to the
Fifth Circuit and then back to district.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, so this case was filed, and you mentioned how
long this stuff takes. This case was filed November of
twenty twenty, and the challenge was to the federal prohibitionion
on eighteen to twenty year olds from being able to
either purchase or have a handgun transfer to them by
a federal license you know FFL. You know, in some
states private party transactions for those that in that age
(01:47):
is perfectly fine, but federal of prohibits them from obtaining
a handgun from a dealer. So November twenty twenty, all
of our plaintiffs at the time, I think we're about
eighteen years old. So we're now we're now almost five
years past that point with the judgment finally and all
those people have aged out. That's problem number one. So
(02:09):
you're right. The District court originally upheld the law saying
it was constitutional. It went up on appeal to the
Fifth Circuit. The Fifth Circuit reversed and said that the
law is unconstitutional and send it back down to the
district court. There was some arguing with the government as
to what the judgment should look like, based on the
recent Supreme Court decision in Trump versus Casa, where the
(02:33):
Supreme Court basically said that universal injunctions, believe that those
exceeded the equitable authority granted to it by Congress as
to what courts could do. So, the government's kind of
taken this position in a lot of litigation, and we
saw this leading up today, not just the government's position,
but how courts were starting to decide cases in that
(02:55):
where you would bring a lawsuit ask the court to
declare it on constitutional and asked the court to enjoin
the enforcement of that law as to everybody. The courts
on their own started to narrow it to say, like, well,
we're not going to do it as to everybody, but
if you are a named plaintiff or you're an institutional organization, like, well,
(03:16):
if we enjoy the law, we'll do that as to
you named parties and members of the named parties. So
in this case, the court came back and entered its
judgment saying that the law and regulations are unconstitutional and
they violate the Second Amendment. It declared that it was
unconstitutional with respect to the named individual kids who are
(03:40):
no longer kids.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
They're all adults who can buy a handgun.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Now, yeah, I mean they were adults at the beginning,
but now they're over twenty one. And then it was
as to individuals and FFLs who were members of the
Staff or the other two institutional parties at the time
the action was filed back at November twenty twenty. They're
saying you had to have been a member then for
(04:04):
this to apply to you. And then the court went
a step further and said that within twenty one days
of the judgment being issued, the plaintiffs that were identified,
So the institutional ones have to provide defendants of verified
list of members as of that November data filing.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
All right, So what they're saying is SAFF and the
other organizations have to send the government a list of
members as of that date in twenty twenty. That you
got to be pushing back on that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh, absolutely, there's tons of problems with that. First of all,
Staff never has and will not provide a list of
our members to the government. There's a whole host of
issues with that, including freedom of association and First Amendment issues,
and we're just not going to do that. So our
members can rest assured that we and the other institutional
(04:59):
plaintiffs have all greed like that's just not happening. So
and we're working with our lawyers to you know, figure
out a pathway to appeal this and get that part
struck out of the order because none of us are
willing to do that, let alone the just It's just
not going to happen. So we are going to be
challenging that, and it's just something we're not We're absolutely
(05:21):
not going to do. So that that took everything a
step even further by the court ordering you know, the
membership to be provided.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, all right, but there's a part of this that
I want to go back to because I mean, not
being a lawyer, okay, and I'm looking at this and going, okay,
the court ruled district course says, all right, this law
is unconstitutional. So it's it's it violates the Second Amendment.
So it violates the Second Amendment for everybody everywhere in
(05:53):
the United States. But we're only going to apply it
to the members of this organization, and everybody else is
going to still suffer this infringement on the Second Amendment rights.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, not only that, the Court wentn't even a step
further and said that it's only as to those those
members the date the lawsuit was filed.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So if we're going staff today, we're not covered by that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Well, according to this order, the court is saying that.
And then on top of that, the Court is also
saying that we're eliminating the scope of the injunction geographically
to the states that are within the Fifth Circuit, So Mississippi, Louisiana,
which is where it originated from, Oh, Texas.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So everybody else you could be we're going to violate
your rights. But only if you live in these certain
states are you going to be protected, And only if
you're this certain age, and only if you were a
member of this organization in twenty twenty. That just almost
seems like a nondecision.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, I mean yeah, but more or less what it is.
I mean, if you do the math on it, In
order for you to have for this injunction to actually
matter for you, aside from whether the government knows who
you are or aren't, you would have had to have
been a member of any of these organizations when you
were thirteen, fourteen, or fifteen years old. It's weird because
(07:11):
the court says, yes, the law is unconstitutional, as you mentioned,
and then on the other hand says, but all the
people that are going to be covered by the injunction
of the the enforcement of the law probably don't even
exist to a large extent, if at all.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It is unconscionable to say this law is unconstitutional and
it violates the Constitution, the Second Amendment. But we're not
going to give relief to everybody on it. Only to
these very select I mean the number of people that
could be counted on two hands. Perhaps that just seems crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, I'm right there with.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You, okay. So I mean I can tell from now
right now, you're going to be Appelia. You're probably looking
at are there back door ways or conversations that could
be had to maybe make this better.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Well, again, it's the court's order. This wasn't you know,
this wasn't solely on the government's lap. So I don't
think it's fair to point the finger directly at the
government and say, like we can fix it directly with
that we might be able to come to some kind
of agreement and then together go to the court and
say like, hey, maybe you get rid of this part.
And then we still take issue with obviously the geographic
(08:19):
boundary part of it. But so there are some things
that we might be able to try to negotiate to
get the government on board with as far as being
on the same cage and then going back to the court.
But this order said within twenty one days. So what
we'll be doing is, you know, we're starting at the
District courd and if that doesn't go our way, you know,
Fifth Circuit, and then potentially an emergency petition to the
(08:40):
Supreme Court to at least get this stopped in the
interim while we sort this out.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I know we got deeply under the weeds, but I
wanted people to understand how crazy this stuff is and
this current decision is nuts where it says, you know,
yes it's unconstitutional, but you the rest of you have
to still suffer under an unconstitutional law. Keep us posting
on this.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Would you, ad Yeah, absolutely, very good.
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Speaker 9 (11:13):
Hi, I'm Kim Rody from California.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Welcome back to gun Talk, the place where we celebrate
all things shooting, hunting and the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Always good to hear from an Olympic athlete, six time
medal winner at six different Olympic Games in shooting, Kim Rody,
She is awesome. So I like to give you I
don't know if you like to hear them, but I
like to give him anyway, I like to give you
the Mountain weather reports. So we had the clouds came
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in last night.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It rained.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Poor people had a wedding schedule yesterday evening and they
got rained on rained overnight. We got low clouds right
now and it kind of comes down and lifts and
comes back up. We're not going to get out of
the thirties today. And as the clouds lift a little bit,
I'm looking across the lake right now starting to see
what we used to call it an Alaska termination dust.
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That is, this would happen to get the low clouds
and they would lift, you would see snow on the mountains.
And then each time it happened, if we come back
here in a few days and rain, clouds would lift
and the snow line got lower and lower, and we
call it termination dust because it marked the termination of summer. Well,
(12:33):
we got it. We got some snow out there in
the mountains. I don't know how much, and maybe just
a dusting. But I'm watching it because two days, two days, well,
maybe everything is variable when it comes to weather. We're
going to fly into the back country here in at
the frank Church Wilderness Area for an elk hunt maybe.
(12:58):
I mean, it'd be great back there, and we've got
some fresh snow and it stirs up the animals and
it's kind of like duck hunters are always talking about
the northern birds and we had some weather up there,
and to move the northern birds down here. Hope springs
eternal and you're a hunter and a fisherman, and so
we're thinking, well, maybe this will move the alchoroum. We're
going to go into camp where you actually fly in
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land on a gravel air strip, get on horses in
the packstring, we pack in and then we've got a
camp set up. And when we camp there for a week.
The deal is. And as I tell the people who
go with me, when it comes to weather in small planes,
I don't take chances and I don't push weather. And
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if we get a good weather opening, I don't mind going.
If we got an out, we always have to have
an out. But if it looks like it's a sucker
hole where they say, okay, well I'll go up and
take a look. Oh yeah, but what if it closes
in before you get back. I've had that happen. I
think it was Birchwood Airport, just north of Anchorage. Sat
on the ground overcast, couldn't get where I wanted to go,
(14:11):
and I thought, well we just well sit here and wait,
and started opening up. I thought, oh good, I want
to get out of here there are a lot of
people waiting to get out. So I took off, but
I kind of circled up through this hole and got
up on top. As far as I could see, which
was one hundred miles in all directions, there was nothing
but a solid cloud layer below me. And I'm at
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this point of VFI pilot insides those clouds are full
of ice, and it's really a bad idea to go
take a small plane and fly through clouds and have
ice in them. And as I look down this hole
that I just climbed up through starting to close back up, man,
I cut the power and threw it over on one
wing point of that wing at the ground and spiraled
down through that hole. And by the time I got
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back on the ground landed and I'm taxi in through
the fog. I am picking up a huge layer of
ice on the propeller as I'm taxing. That would have
been in a bad situation. This is how we learn,
and so probably we're going in on Tuesday. I don't know. Now.
(15:19):
The fun part is tomorrow I get to go pick
up my moose meat good old freight train. The processor says,
come pick him up. He's ready to go. I don't
know yet how many pounds of package meat it's gonna be.
I'm guessing maybe three hundred pounds, and I'm hoping it
will all fit into one freezer. I've cleaned out a
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freezer in anticipation of putting the moose in there. I'm
not sure what I'm going to do if it won't
hold all of it, because I don't really have more
freezer space. That's when you put out a call to
your friends, who has room in a freezer for some stuff.
We'll see how that goes. And then the question becomes, so,
(16:05):
if your freezer's full, you got all this meat, Now
you're going elk hunt? Does that affect I what you
decide in terms of what you're gonna shoot? Are you
gonna hold out for a bigger one? And say, well,
I'm not hunting for meat. I don't know. I don't
know yet. And then I got a mule deer hunt
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coming right on the heels of the elk hunt. It's
gonna be a good fall. Gonna spend a lot of
time out there in the mountains, in the woods taking
the three thirty eight out six out for elk. It's
the same rifle I use on moose, but of course
probably could have used a two two three on the
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moose because, as I told you before it the only
shot I had was the head. It's all I could see.
So I shot him the head and dropped him right
there in the middle of the trail. Didn't really need
a big three thirty eight six for that. Almost anything
would have worked on elk. Yeah. The only thing about
the three thirty eight out six using two hundred and
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twenty five grain bullet is to get more drop out
of it. And I'm not using a dialing scope. That's
I just don't. So you get four hundred yards sighted
three and a half inches high, one hundred going to
get about twenty inches a drop. It's a lot. I mean,
I could do it, especially since you've got good range
finders tells you how far things are. Yeah, can do it,
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but I'd rather be closer. We'll see. I do have
the two eighty four as a backup. Always, always, always
have a backup rifle. You get into camp like that,
it's a long way back to you know, it's not
like you can drive back into town. And what I
have decided, and some of these hills are steep and
you got rocks and if you slip, fell down, fell
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on top of your rifle, slid down a hill on
top of your gun, which, by the way, is one
of the reasons we always carry an empty chamber when
we're walking around out there. Only when we were right
on top of animals we see animals that we put
around in the chamber because if I slip and want
to end up falling down a hill, I don't really
want to round in the chamber then. So but what
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I'm saying is that if I did that, if I
slipped or dropped the rifle and it bounced down there,
I'm not gonna bother with sighting it in. I'm making
sure it's on. I'm just going back to camp and
getting the other rifle, and if I have time, yeah,
we can check and see if it's still on. But
when you're in the middle of the hunting area and
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we're talking about an area that all we're doing is
walking because when they drop us off with the horses,
they take the horses, so we don't have certainly don't
have a wheeled vehicle, we don't even have horses. We're
just walking out of camp each day. So it's not
as though you can. Well, I'll drive a few miles
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away to sight in my rifle so the sound the
noise doesn't disturb the animals. Oh no, no, no, we're right
there amongst them. It was a last year, Yes, same camp.
Last year. We had trouble going to sleep one night
because there were so many elk around us and they're
calling and bugling, and the cow calling and w be
just all over us. Next morning I went out nearby
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and I think I saw thirty something elkohol within three
hundred yards easy shooting distance, and not a single antler
among them, all cows. Uh, well, that's okay, it's I
had a good time. Yeah, and my tag is for
a bull only, So I had a good time. Let's
go Greg Greg online too, out of Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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Hey Greg, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Hey Tom, what are you doing, sir?
Speaker 10 (19:51):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
What's going on?
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Oh man? I was just coming here a screener. U.
I went to the gun range stay with my son
and to know my brand new guys really fourteen inch
super Duty, which is a sweet gun. I had problems
with the munition, ammo. I had a major malfunction. My
son got a face full of powder and the case
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was stuck inside the chamber. I couldn't get the bolt
back at all. I had to use a brass punch
to actually get the bolt opened up and the case.
The case looks like it didn't blow up, but it's
definitely messed up. And I'm going to end up giving
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them a call tomorrow. But I don't know if anybody
else has had any kind of issues with the Freedom munitions.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And this is the company that makes the Amos Freedom munitions.
Have you used their ammal before?
Speaker 9 (20:49):
Yeah? Yeah, And it's funny because I actually used it.
In threeh eight. I got a Patriot Arness Set three
three eight. I think it's a role here something like that.
But I had the same issue where I keep having
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kept having the mess fires and failure to extract. And
I actually kept the case from that too. It wasn't
as mangled as the the five five six was, but
the lip on the three A eight just got torn away.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I would say at this point, I know you're going
to do it anyway. You don't need me to tell
you this, but don't shoot that AMMO anymore. Contact them.
I switched to some other brand of Ammo for now,
and but said, look this what's going on guys, And
also you might want to even go online and ask
if does anybody else have a problem with this? People?
You know, the brand is free dimunitions. I don't know
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if this is reloaded Ammo re manufactured, or if it's
new Ammo, if they're using new cases or fired cases.
But there's some questions to ask. But I think just
from a safety standpoint, no matter who the manufacturer is,
I would stop using the Ammo until I got it
sorted out. I wish you luck with it. I'm glad
everybody was wearing glasses and didn't get hurt and didn't
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lose a visions or something like that. Eight sixt' six
talk gun. All right, So this story just broke, and
we really need to cover this. You know, there are
a lot of things going on in the Second Amendment
world that don't actually involve going to you know, litigation
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or not the kind that you think of. It's like
not laws and things like that. Sometimes and we know
this from the operation choke point. Sometimes it's the banks
doing things against gun companies or people in our industry. Well,
another one of those stories just broke and we're joined
right now by Brandon Meddox from Silence or Sense on Brandon,
what the heck just happened with you and FedEx?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You know, they canceled our contract because they they're unwilling
as a shipping company to ship firearms to consumers directly.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But you had gone through like what months of discussions
with them and negotiations. Hadn't they actually been to your
place and they knew what you made.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I mean, they knew exactly what we were doing. They
knew our business model. I think it was a you know,
right hand until the left hand what was going on,
and the sales guy sort of over committed, you know,
because reality is, we knew this because we had signed
a contract with them in twenty twenty one, and then
they approached us about a year ago and said, hey,
we'd like to have all your business, even your consumer
direct business, which you know is gunsmith thing we thread barrels,
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which is silence through to your front door. And we said, hey,
you've got a policy against that. They said, oh no,
we don't we change that. So we're thinking, hey, new
president office. You know, hopefully they you know, wised up
and decided to be more Second Amendment friendly. So yeah,
they came out here. They knew exactly what we're doing.
They knew our model. I mean they even had set up,
you know, processes for if they delivered to consumer they're
(23:56):
not there, how they would get it, how many attempts
they would make. They clearly I knew what we were doing.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
The big issue for us is why is UPS willing
to ship arms to consumers? Why is the Post Office?
But then FedEx is the only one that's unwilling to
ship a firearm to a consumer. It just it seems
like they need a little pressure to do a policy change.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, okay, so obviously this is a I look at
it as a Secondmendment issue for you, it's a breacher
contract issue.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, exactly. And that's basically you know, we're suing them
in federal courts. So we dropped that case yesterday, so
we haven't. Yeah, so we're going to sue them for that.
You know, it put us in a bad situation too.
I mean, basically, you call ap UPS and say, hey,
you're an only option, let's try to negotiate. You your
negotiating against yourself, So it ends up being you know,
more expensive from a business perspective, I think they did
(24:44):
us ride, but still it put us a tough situation
to be told, hey, you know you got to reprogram
all your computers and retrain all your employees at your
forty two locations and make a change within thirty days.
You know, they FedEx knows that they're up to no
good because they said, hey, if we extend it a
little bit longer, where you can get on better footing
with this, you know, keep you from suing us. We're
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basically like, oh, so they know that they're doing something
they shouldn't be doing, and they basically made a mistake
and telling you they were going to do it in
the first place.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
So the question here is it's like some of these
other companies, the banks and all that started to d
bank gun companies people in their farms industry. You got FedEx.
It takes a very strong anti gun stance, and really
there's really only three options. You got the Post Office,
fed X, and UPS. And I'm just wondering is their
way for US guns individual people to put any kind
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of pressure on FedEx to get them to change their policy,
because they're basically restricting the ability to move products that
are highly regulated and absolutely legal.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I was talking to Soul this
morning and they brought up the fact that it puts
an additional burden too on the FBI for background checks,
because if you think about it, if we threat a
barrel and they're unwilling to allow us to ship that
firearm back to the consumer that send it to us,
we have to send it to their local dealer. Their
local dealer's got to do a background check on them.
So now the FBI is involved, it's putting more you know,
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sort of volume into the system that shouldn't be there
in the first place. Yeah, whatever you recommend, whatever, I
think that my encouragement is to get involved with either
going to the social media for FedEx or calling them
directly and asking them why are they unwilling to ship
farms to consumers? They'll ship everything else that's lawful commerce.
(26:32):
Why will they not ship farms? Obviously they think it's
a reputational risk. I mean, you know, we spend five
to six million dollars a year with FedEx. We had
a two year contract, so we know they walked away
from at least twelve or fifteen million dollars. So to them,
they're more concerned about the way they look. So I'm
hopeful that other people involved in the firearms industry and
in farms business and own firearms would put pressure on
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them and let them see that, hey, if you lose
business from people, can offset more than what they're going to.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Lose from us, well exactly. And this might not be
one of those where you got Congress involved or in
the DOJ, but it may be just one of those.
Will let's use consumer pressure and not calling for a boycott,
but calling for input.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Maybe maybe the social media aspect going on X, going
on Facebook, going to the pages that FedEx has and
the first hundred they ignore, the first thousand they ignore.
Will you get to ten thousand or one hundred thousand,
it's pretty hard to ignore that.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
No, one hundred percent. I totally agree. I mean, it's
it's a simple question, Hey, we want to get a
change your policy. Why are you unwilling to ship farms
to consumers? You ship everything else that is, you know,
part of lawful commerce. Why will you not ship fires?
It's a legitimate question that they're probably unwilling to ask
and hope that we'll just go away.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's virtue signaling is what they're doing. So all right,
So how's the silencer business these days?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You know, honest truth is it's it feels slow because
everyone's waiting for the tax change, you know, the tax stamp.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's what I was going to see.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yeah, literally, you know, sixty day the market's going to
flood because of the two hundred dollars tax is going away.
There's a lot of people out there, myself included that
even if we're willing to pay for the tax stamp,
they just don't like the government getting that two hundred.
So I get it. I mean, you know, Silence Essentral
is willing to pay the tax stamp, but I get it.
There's a lot of people on the fence waiting for
that law to change, and I think it's going to
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blow it wide open.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
What did you just say, Solnce or Central is willing
to pay the tax stamp. What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, so Silences or Central is paying the tax stamp
for consumers right now. So you know, if you go
to our website, there's a signwenchar you want most of
them we have or we'll cover the tax stamp for you.
You know, even negotiated with other manufacturers where you know,
they'll pay percent that we pay percent, and then we
get a rebate on a future order. So it ends up,
you know, covering the tax stamp. Now, we feel like
there's probably people out there that are afraid that January
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inventory may be limited, and if everyone buys it once
in January, the timeline is going to be longer to
buy one. Of course, the government being shut down right
now is going to not help that situation. But you know,
if people get one now right now, we're seeing it.
Aprovals on silencers literally eighty percent of approvals come back
same day.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well as we're talking right now today we still have
the government shut down. Are they processing these right now?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
No, they're not. I mean there I shouldn't say that
they're they're I mean we're processing far as we're putting
them into their system. I mean you are, Yeah, they're
just they're not approving them.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, but as soon as that's you know, but you
make a good point if people are waiting right now
and saying, well, you know, in January, there won't be
a two hundred dollars tax, Yeah, but now you're going
to have maybe a five to ten fifty increase fifty
fold increase in people buying, and you could really look
at some long way times and right now you don't
even at least we don't have to pay the tax
(29:40):
stamp if you're willing to buy it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Absolutely, yeah, no, totally, that's our that's sort of our pitch. Hey,
we only got sixty days left, but if you want
to get your name in early, we'll pay the tax
stamp for you and you know, keep everybody happy, keep
commerce moving, and keep everything. Yeah, I mean we I say,
we got one hundred and seventy employees in this building,
so we had to keep them busy. So I said, hey,
let's just lose money and pay the tax stamp. The
bank's been fine to kind of help you float it,
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so it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Banks are always willing to loan you money, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, especially when I could convince them that we're going
to blow it up in January because they're looking at
what demand will be after the tax stamp goes away.
They're like, all right, we'll float you for We'll float
you for the last six months.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
All right, Well, obviously we're going to do the call
out to ask people to go on social media and
call out FedEx and say, hey, why are you discriminating
against guns and gun owners? But before we go, you
got to tell me what are you hunting this fall? Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
What am on this fall? So I'm gonna go duck
hunting in Canada a couple of weeks. I think I
got two wolf hunts in Canada, actually one of Montana,
one in Canada. I always like the wolf every year,
but I think a late season duck in Canada could
be a game, you know, game changer.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I know you're allow that that'll be fun. My
stiles are stuff for dot com obviously. Randon Maddox, thank
you so much, appreciate your time and letting us know
what's going on with FedEx. That is, it is time
for us to get on them to have them change
this antiquated policy of theirs.
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Speaker 2 (33:12):
Well, I guess we all to keep talking because well, yeah,
we still got show left to go. Actually half the
show's only gone, so we're having fun out here. I'm
Tom Gresher. By the way, look it out the window,
watching the weather change by the minute. It's crazy. It's
that transition time. If you like the outdoors, you generally
are a weather watcher. And I'm watching the sun coming
(33:35):
out and the fog comes in, the rain starts, and then
it starts all over again. One of the things I
would like to address, just for a moment, is the
idea that we talk safety here a lot. We talk
about safety with guns, safety, situational awareness. When you're out
and about. Right now, it's the time when you can
(33:56):
really get into trouble outdoors, and not with guns and
with critters, but with weather. That is, basically, you can
take a little hike and get caught by weather and
that stuff will kill you. And I just make a
suggestion a few little things to carry with you. A
small little backpack doesn't have to be much or anything.
They'll knapsack, backpack, extra jacket. Even if you think, oh
(34:19):
it's warm right now, yeah, it may not be later.
Absolutely positively, some kind of ring top to keep you
dry if you get a shower, because if you get wet,
you can get hypothermia, and hypothermia can kill you. Maybe
one of those emergencies. The space blankets that weigh like
two ounces or three ounces.
Speaker 11 (34:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Certainly your phone and now if you've upgraded it to
the latest operating system. Even if you don't have cell
phone service, you can send text out using satellite service
with your iPhones. So that's a and learn how to
use that. It's a really good service. It really works
pretty well as an emergency. You could save your bacon.
(35:01):
The other thing is make sure somebody knows where you're
going and when you're coming back and tell somebody sit
up a text, leave them a message, Hey, i'm parking
my car here, I'm going to walk up this trail.
We'll be back in three hours. Barring that, if you
have no one to tell, you can leave a note
(35:24):
on the dash of your car. If they come out
like the next day and the rangers find or police
find your car still sitting there, and they go, well's
that doesn't look right? And see a note, Go okay,
there's two people up that trail, they'll read it. Go
get them. Just you know, stuff happens, and look, the
wather absolutely will get you in real trouble. So just
be aware. Okay, we please, all right, we are open
(35:46):
lines for you right now. If there's a gun you
want to talk about, Ammo, different loads, different bullets, hunting,
self defense, target shooting, maybe getting a gun for a youngster.
By the way, you got holiday seasons coming up, Christmas
is coming up. It's not too early to think about that.
If you're going to be given somebody a gun, maybe
a new gun, or maybe even one of your guns
(36:06):
from your safe that you can present with the stories
of that. All right, let's go grab Matthew out of
Marry Louisiana. Matthew, you're on gun dog. What's you're thinking?
Speaker 9 (36:16):
So?
Speaker 12 (36:16):
I think part of the reason why you see such
caution and these weird decisions cutting down around gun rights
and other things too, is because the Supreme Court issued
an instruction to judges that know your injunction against deporting
(36:37):
illegal aliens cannot apply to all the illegal aliens as
a class. And the thing is that the Trump administration
doesn't want to take the argument that the Second Amendment
being a real right is incorporated under the fourteenth Amendment,
where it's the right to be in the country is.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Not in the constitution.
Speaker 12 (36:58):
There's nothing, no right to immigration to the United States.
But they don't want to argue that case for reasons.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So what do you think should be done.
Speaker 12 (37:10):
I think they should go ahead and argue that the
Second Amendment is a real right incorporated under the fourteenth
Amendment and applied across the country.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Okay, what I don't know. In fact, I've not heard
of anybody within the administration talking about that. Have you
picked up anything it talked about anybody at the DOJ
taking that tact?
Speaker 12 (37:38):
No, I haven't. I haven't heard about that that. We
haven't talked about incorporation in the Second Amendment community in
it quite a while. I think it was after was
it McDonald Berlin, but before Briwin McDonald.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yes, that's a thing, yep, exactly right, yep. So all right, well,
interesting take you know what, I'll pass it along to
some of the folks that I know. Thanks. I appreciate
that call yeah, Otis McDonnell. Of course, that was an
important case after Heller before Bruin, not as well known,
but a very important case as well. We have some
(38:19):
others coming up we have, of course, the Supreme Court
has just agreed to hear another Second Amendment case. When
they accepted it granted cert on it, they narrowed the
scope of it, because the Supreme Court likes to do that.
They like to narrow the scope as much as they
can on our cases so they can make very targeted decisions.
(38:42):
I kind of understand what they're doing. At the same time,
we're just having infringements on our Second Amendment rights all
over the place, and I would really like to see
some more widespread, some more sweeping decisions that protect Americans
in their constitutional rights to keep in bare arms. Now,
(39:03):
we'll keep our fingers crossed, right.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A few minutes ago, we had something I called him
had a problem, actually problem two different rifles shooting munitions
are freedom munitions ammunition, and I've not shot that ammunition before,
I've heard of it. Kim Is called in out of
Grant's Pass Oregon, and Kim, I gather you've got to
experience with Freeing Munitions help me out.
Speaker 10 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean they're based out of Idaho, your territory,
And I ordered some one hundred and sixty eight grain
Amax thirty odd six AMMO because I got a Savage
trail hunter that I converted into a PRS rifle and
I fired twenty five rounds last week. It was accurate.
Ammo didn't have any issues. So you gave them good
(39:55):
advice to go to the company and talk to them
about it. And I hate to s a good AMMO
company get a bad rap.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yes, I agree, that's why I said, Look, I'm not
saying that there's anything wrong with I said, look, just
call them, find out what's going on. Stuff happens. I
have had any number of AMMO companies say, look, we've
had a problem with a particular lot. We had an issue.
We're doing a recall on it. Sometimes they don't know
until somebody notifies them. They go, oh, let's go take
a look at that, and they go, oh, wow, we
had an issue for an hour on one of the
(40:25):
loading machines that we're not aware of. That kind of
a thing. So yeah, getting back to them and letting
them know could help. You also could help them.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
Yeah, well you should look them up Freedom Ammunition.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I will do that. I figure out where they are,
we'll go by and say hello. Because I mean, Io
is not that big a state. It only takes you
nine hours to drive from one corner to the other. Seriously,
nine hours.
Speaker 10 (40:48):
They're based out of Lewiston, Idaho.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I think, oh, okay, that's only four hours from my house.
So it's just a short drive around here. We drive
two hours to go get groceries.
Speaker 10 (40:58):
I mean, it's you know, competitive AMMO, and so you
have to look at a lot of different companies if
you're not a reloader.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Right, if I.
Speaker 10 (41:07):
Started reloading and getting into that, my wife would probably
divorce me.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So it's a whole nother activity. It does take up
not only a lot of room, but a lot of
your time. So there you go. Look, I got it screwed.
I appreciate the call, sir. Yeah, Freedom Munitions. If they're
in Lewiston, my guess is that somehow, somewhere along the way,
they were probably a spin off because there's another big
(41:32):
company making AMMO in Lewiston. We know them as Cci Spear. Yeah,
they make primers there. They make han Ganamo and make
rif Leamo and the rim Fire AMMO huge operation there.
And so if there's another AMMO company in a small
town like that, as often happens, if you try it back,
I'll bet you there's some kind of connection that maybe
(41:55):
that it was started by people used to work there.
I mean, we've seen that with other companies. Night Nighthawk
Custom really good. Nineteen eleven's the folks there I believe
came out of Wilson Combat. See it over and over again,
happens that way. So, by the way, the Montana Rifle
Company really good, Bultex and rifle companies, they're not made
Montana anymore. The folks at Nighthawk Custom I bought them
(42:19):
and they're now out of Arkansas or Wabit. This Cooper
came out of Montana and Montana Rifle Company. One of
them went to Nighthawk Custom. Oh man, someone's gonna have
to fill me in if you know where each of
them went. To fill me in, because now I'm getting
it all confused. There's too many companies moving around, and
(42:39):
of course now we've got I don't even know if
you saw this. Smith and Wesson now has a full
blown training center in Tennessee. They usually have to Smith
and Weston Academy up in Springfield, Massachusetts, and then they
shut it down. I don't know, fifteen years ago or something,
it was a good facility. But now they're going to
have an even bigger, better, newer facility with really good trainers.
(43:03):
And they're just getting started and we'll get them on
the show soon. We'll have some more information about what
they're doing there. But hey, it's great to have another
really good training facility that people can go to. We
have more people with concealed carry permits, more people carrying
in constitutional carry states, and honestly, I think they all
need training of some sort. I'm not saying that ought
(43:24):
to be required. I'm just saying if you're smart and
you want to be competent, and the two go together,
then you ought to go get training. And frankly you
ought to commit to recurrent training every year or every
other year. We'll get some more good training. All right,
we're open lines. Now give me a holler eight six'
six talk done Or tom talk. Done I'm Tom. Gresham
(43:44):
this is gun.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
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