October 15, 2025 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What happens after the shot? Well, these guys know a
thing or two about it. All that on Gun Talk Hunt,
I'm kJ. You found the right place. We go all
over this little blue orb sharing stories and tactics about
chasing wild gang. Now let's get on the hunt. Welcome
(00:25):
in all you gun Talk hunters. I'm your host, kJ,
and this episode is brought to you by Hodgton, Ruger, Vortex, Remington,
Amo and Range Ready Studios. Hey, we've got everybody from
Montana to Colorado and everywhere in between, so it's gonna
be a great show. We've got Kenneth Rawl out of Kafaru,
We've got Mike Hearn with Triser Tripods, and we've got
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Trent Eichler, Guide Outfitter, and Josh Smith of Montana Knife
Company joining us this week. But let's jump in. We're
talking all about what happens after you press that trigger
on that release or the trigger and that animal hits
the ground. What happens after that? So first let's go
out to our man, Kenneth Rall with Kafaru. Kenneth, how
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you doing man? Doing good? How are you? I'm doing good? Man?
Last time we talked, we were we were doing NRL
Hunter stuff and all that good stuff and getting ready
for seasons. But now that the seasons are ramping up
and guys are getting bulls on the ground, what what
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does that look like from your perspective, Because that's when
you really shine, right, because you're like half mountain goat,
like Mike Hearn.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, So like once the process starts right, you get
the enim on the ground, you get your pictures and everything,
you're gonna want to get it torn down. So and
it depends like for us, we're in a lot of
Griz country. Both my brother and I killed bulls this
year several miles back in Griz country. The best thing
you could do was get that broken apart. So we
use always the gutless method. Can get everything you need, quarters, backstraps, tenderloins,
(02:06):
neck meat, rib meat, but get it all breaking broken
down and if you can for those trips. We did
one trip the bowl with three guys, so one tripped
it out. But if you have to come in for
a second load, mainly is taking that bowl, getting it
like h and fifty yards to three hundred dards away
from the carcass, all the quarters and everything preferably right,
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not where the winds blown to it, but all the
at least I've seen the grizz come to that carcass
because it's the smelliest thing that's there. So if there's
any sort of tip, you're in grizz country. And like
I've killed bulls by myself in griz country. Is getting
those quarters away from the carcass. Don't leave it right
next to it, because they're gonna come to the carcass first.
And if you set the quarters up, glass them, you know,
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set them to where you could see them when you're
coming back for a second load at like two hundred
yards or a little farther, just to see if there's
a griz on it. But when it comes to like
knife selections and anything like I used, you know, the
stone gill from MKC is a great knife for breaking down.
I'll always have like a tidou in the biny harness
with you know, five blades per say, and then uh,
just get it broken down quick. And obviously when you
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go out, make sure your knife's sharp before you head out.
There's nothing worse than getting an animal down and you're
sitting there trying to hack it up and then cut
yourself because it's you know, too dull.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well are you getting or are you getting in too
much of a hurry. But but your packouts look a
little bit different, you know than a guy like from
the Midwest or or even the southeast. You know, like
your dear, selection has to be really dialed in. And
I know I've spent I've spent I've spent hours talking
to hearn about this and about like your pack load
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out and how that all fits. And that's that's where man,
if you don't have something that fits right, it becomes
a big issue. So talk about fitment of of pack
and and how to select a pack.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, so selecting a pack, I mean it's best to
try them on. And the best thing now is like
the majority of all the companies have them at like
a Shields or anything. You know, you can go and
try them on now. Or if you can't, like if
you talk to like anybody here at Kafaru, if you
talk to me, if I get your height, your waist
size and everything, we can kind of get it ballparked
in there. Then once you get it, can chat with
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us still. But the best thing to do and also
once you get a pack, throw it on, take pictures
of it. You can send it to customer service. We
can tell you right away if it's going to be
fitting right or wrong then and mainly think like the
main thing is too like when you're loading, make sure
you're loading it correct. Like if you have all the
weight in the bottom of your pack and at the
bottom of your lumbar, it's not going to feel comfortable
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regardless of finnie pack, you know, Like, so if you
want to have it correct fitment, and like what I say,
even if you have a stone glacier, everly stock XO
or kafaru, is your process of putting the pack on.
So loosen everything up. You have everything loose, put the
waist belt on first, Tighten your waist belt, your shoulder
strap maybe you know, clip your sturtum strap, and then
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load lifters last. So start from the ground up. That's
how you have your correct fitment. Because you'll see people
with pinched shoulder straps and you know that they didn't
you know they had their loaded strap too tight before
tightening the shoulder straps.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Explain those load lifters real quick, because I think I
think we're in putting a lot of information out here.
And explain those load lifters real quick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So the load lifters is a strap that comes from
your shoulder strap back to the frame, so it's going
to pull that frame tighter to your back and keep
it in line with your posterior chain. So it's gonna
you know, hauling weight, it's going to be in line
with your body instead of you know, falling way too back,
like where it's going to be pulling you back. You
want to have it straight with your back and at
like a forty five degree angle.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So I it's at a forty five degree angle. That's good.
If it's too steep, you can still haul a lot
of weight.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
What you don't want is to be too flat because
if it's too flat then that's when you're going to
get that a lot of pressure pushing down into your back.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So it's just trying to find that fine line.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And like with our system, we have our one shoulder
strap that moves between slots, so if you throw it
on and it's too flat, right, you can move them
so you know, up or down to get them to
where you need that forty five degree angle right.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's yeap Man. Getting that pack right makes makes her
breaks well, it makes her breaks your back. Really, I mean,
but your your journey out. You want to come out heavy,
but you want to come out comfortable.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right well, and that's what I'll tell you, Like, yeah,
you want to come out comfortable. But I'll tell everyone
right now, it doesn't matter if you kill an milk.
You're not going to feel comfortable packing with an olk,
regardless of any pack, like comfortable in the sense of like, oh,
this is a breeze, right. The only thing I say
is like to where you can get up on your
feet and the pack not break. Like my bowl this
year killed it. We killed it six and a half
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miles back. We one tripped it out. I had bone
in hind, quarter, front, shoulder, the head and all my
camp and.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Still could do it. The frame didn't break.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That probably weighs as much as I do, if not
more so if you're frame and you can thing. That's
the one thing about kfaru is you don't have to
really load it super diligently. If you can throw it
on it and get on there, then you can haul.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But if you have a malfunction, If you have a
malfunction six and a half miles back trying to throw
on you know, one hundred and fifty pounds or more,
then you're not going to have a good day. And
that's where you trust your pack and you don't want
to have those mishaps.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh no, not at all. Yeah, all right, man, I
appreciate you joining us, and we're gonna jump back in
at final shots with you. But let's head it up
to Colorado Springs and let's let's talk to Mike Hearn
out there. Mike, you had an interesting hunt just happened.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Ud.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You probably hunt bulls harder than anyone I know, and
this year you just had a tough go at it.
What happened after you pressed off a shot? Well, I
did it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I did not make the most ideal shot. So, but
it was last night at elk season here in Colorado
Archery Elks and I I went to a spot where
I knew bulls were hanging out that I had avoided
because it borders private property. I avoided it all season long.
I knew there was a ton of elk down there,
but it's a It's just that it's always a risky
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play and I knew full well the risks.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So made a bad shot on a bull.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It was a mortal shot that bull is he is
stone dead as I speak right now, probably getting eaten
by birds and coyotes on private property. But the bull
ended up moving off into private property, so there was
no way for me to recover it. I reached out
to a guy that guides on the property for the outfitter.
(08:37):
I got a hold of the ranch manager, and ultimately
the ranch manager left it up to the outfitter, and
the outfitter told me to go pouncing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So and no words like that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Pretty harsh the way. Yeah, I couldn't believe it was
not a mount individual.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I couldn't believe the amount of fury. He came at
you and holds you basically like you come on here,
you're gonna see me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yep, yep, he said. He called me and confirmed who
I was, and then said you're not coming on this
property and if you do, I'll be waiting for you.
And I was like, well, I'm making the phone calls
to get permission, so obviously not coming out without permission,
trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But yep, but I mean you do like the frustrating
thing for me about this, and and kind of a
cautionary tale if you will you understood the risk that
you were running, but you did everything right, like you
were hunting legally in the in the area that you
were hunting, and you stuck the bull. Then the bull
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runs over to private you call like multiple calls. This
wasn't just one call. We'll see what happens. There was
multiple calls made throughout this process to find the right
person to make the decision whether or not to let
you on. You were you were confronted with like I
would say, very very aggressively that you weren't going to
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be able to recover a bull that you knew was
dead and you knew where that bull was. I can't
get over this. And and when we come back, I'm
we're gonna be talking with Trent Eichler. But how did
you how do you recover from that man? How does
that not scar you from private landowners?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, I mean so here, I mean, here's the deal.
If it was September fifteenth and he still had hunters
on the property and I would have been bumping out
going in there looking for my bull, I would have
I would have been like that, that's completely understandable. And
I understand that that's the outfitter's livelihood, So I like
the best I can do with it. I mean, it's
a it's a crap sandwich and I got to eat it.
(10:48):
So being in the military, I'm pretty used to choking
those down when they get force fed to me. So
I mean, that's really it. But I mean if it
was September fifteenth, I would have completely understood. Uh, but
the fact that season is closed, there's not his rifle
season doesn't start for another week, like now, a week
(11:09):
from today, right, But uh yeah, I mean you just
you gotta you gotta deal with the hand your dealt.
So yeah, that that's what happened with that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But but and you're you're you're hiking way back and
you spent a lot of time out and granted you
were you were hunting with an archery equipment, but the
company that you work for now they're not necessarily on
the archery side. But I mean, unless you're looking for
a glassing tripod, they do have some that'll work. You. Guys.
(11:42):
Came out with the new X two that I've been
hunting with quite a bit. I took it up to
Canada with me and my boys. Phenomenal tripod dedicated towards
like PRS n r L guys talk about weight saving
gear when you're packing out, just like Kenneth was doing
with his bull where he has camp on his back
and a talk about like where we're headed with like
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lightweight gear. I mean so and I mean and you.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Josh can talk about this in the knife world, Kenneth
can talk about it in backpacks like archery, whether you're
doing or rifle hunting, doing load development, you're always proverbially
robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're some the piper gets
paid somewhere. Right, Like you buy a super cheap knife,
you're not gonna have good blade retention. It's gonna dull
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up quick on you. Right, you buy a super cheap tripod,
it might be a little bit heavier, or it might
not be as durable, or it might not are the
legs might not articulate as well. You buy a cheap pack,
or you get an ultra light pack that's not cheap.
You're not gonna be comfortable with eighty pounds. You wear
a Kafaru that's a little bit heavier at base empty
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weight backpack. You know it's three to five pounds, so
it's a little bit heavier pack. But when you put
eighty pounds on it, you're happy at weighs that because
it's thirty where it carry.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Is that load better?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right? So you're always the piper's always getting paid somewhere.
When it comes to tripods like the new X one,
X one and X two in the DH ball head
that is not meant to be lightweight, that was built
for the PRS NRL hunter crowd, I probably won't be
taking that tripod on any backpack hunts. But we do.
(13:23):
We make tripods. We make the HK K combination right
and then and the one thing that Treiser does that
Drew the CEO has done that we do is we
want everything to be functional. Right, So I just shot
an ad with the HKAK ballhead and our LP pan
head because a lot of guys are like, well, what
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do I do if I am going on a rifle hunt,
a backpack rifle hunt, and I want to be able
to have the ability to shoot off from a tripod
and the ability to glass off from the tripod. Well, again,
in the in the world, items are purpose built. So
our glassing tripods, yeah, you can shoot off from them
in a pinch. But if I know I'm going to
be shooting off from it. I want a tripod that's
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built to be shot off from, which is HK, which
is fairly I mean it's a four pound with that
AK inverted ball head, so you got four pounds there.
And then I'm gonna take the LP pan head that
cost me four ounce as a weight, and because we
make everything interchangeable and interoperable, that LP pan head has
ARCA cuts on the base, so I can clamp that
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LP pant head into my AK head and then I've
got my spotter. I can glass and then the minute
I see the I identify an animal I want to kill,
I hit the quick release on the ballhead, pop that
pan head off, rifle goes in, Get set up, make
my shot. So you're you're looking at like a four pound,
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four ounce package to be able to glass and accurately
shoot off a tripod. So we kind of make everything
to be interoperable, and it's kind of shooter preference. There
are plenty of guys that are running our A D
and B C are ultra late tripods are that are
built purpose built forward lasting that will shoot off from
him as well. In pen. But being military, I always
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I always kind of air on the on the on
the shooting side, and accuracy and precision. So I'm always
gonna take something that's more purpose built for the thing
that's more important to me, right, which would be making
a good shot. Uh and so but yeah, that's uh,
We've we've we've got a lot of cool stuff in
the works.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah. So it's it's it's awesome gear. I've I've loved
everything I've touched of y'all's. We're gonna take a break
and on the other side of this, we're gonna go
over to Trent Eichler, also in Colorado and see what
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Outfitter Professional Shooter for Taurus man, you spend You spend
probably more time out in the woods than any of us. Maybe, mind,
I don't know. Mike might give you a run for
(18:56):
your money, but he's out there hunting and you're out
there guiding and or hunting as well in your own
free time. How's this year been for you, guys?
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Man, it was still a pretty good year. I mean,
we usually go off of shot opportunity and not kills,
but elk. This year, the elk weren't super ready this year,
especially up the West Ranch. They just weren't weren't really
getting after. It made it harder on us. We still
still put up really good numbers, but it was just
a rougher year. It's been a wet year and that
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kind of messed with us during an antelope. But still
a pretty good year. God, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So you heard Mike's story, and Mike was on on
on a public land hunt shot a bull, ran over
to private landowner, said, no way, you're not getting over here.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
As a guide and outfitter and who adds private land,
how do you how would you approach that? Would you
approach that any differently than the landowner?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
I personally, yes, I mean we've had we have different
outfitters that border our property, and if they end up
getting one and it runs onto our property, that's a
trophy animal for a hunter. I mean, especially in Elk.
You want that animal. You may have paid a lot
of money for that animal and that experience. We're not
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going to take that away from you. I mean, it
doesn't matter. If you're coming onto our property. We'll talk
to you and we might go get the animal for you,
because we don't want you walking on to our property
and spooking off animals on our property. But we'll go
in and we'll try and get the animal out for
you and we'll deliver it to you or we'll do
something to help you out with.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That man, Mike was just in the wrong area. Yeah,
I bet he would have had a guy like you
talking to him.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yeah, that's just a rough experience.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean, it just it would sour me for
sure on that area. I mean, and maybe that was
his that's his plan, Like the more people he's route
to that requests permission to go get wounded animals, and
maybe it doesn't happen that often, but maybe he's just
tired of hearing it about it. But from the from
the break of the shot, what what lessons have you
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learned that could trim the learning curve for someone who's
doing it, you know who's been doing it one way
all their live like in the process of whether it's
cleaning or packing out, Like, are there any tips that
you you've picked up over the years.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
For sure, know what you want to do with the animal.
If you want to get it mounted, that's going to
change the way that you're going to address that animal.
That's going to change the way how you take it.
If you're if it's just a cow oak, it's not
you don't want the hide or you don't want the
head for it, I'm going to do the gutless method
to make it easier for me and faster for me.
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But if you want it, one of my biggest helpers
when I'm packing on an animal is a sharp knife.
I usually have a pack of changeable blades for my knife,
just to make sure as soon as if it gets
dull and swap it out and be ready to go.
And then pair of cord. Like Kenneth was saying, if
you're in bare country, you want to get the hind
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quarters or whatever you can't pack out on that first
run away. A lot of times, what I like to
do is use five fifty cord and put it on
a tree and hang it in a tree if I
have time to do it, and that keeps it off
the ground, keeps it away from any animal. Another thing
I like to do to keep the meat from getting
too much dirt on it. I mean, when you're moving
around and trying to hike things out, sometimes stuff will fall.
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I like to keep one side if I'm not going
to mount that animal, especially on the hind quarters, I
like to keep one side with fur on it. You're
gonna get a little hair on your meat. You can
wash that off right after. It's not a big deal.
I like to be able to lay that on the
ground while i'm skinning. I don't have to throw it
in a bag or anything like that. Keep it right there,
throw it in my pack, and I'm good to god.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I've never thought about just leaving a little bit of
hide on it so you can set it down like
that's what it's meant for.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yes, yeah, exactly. It keeps that meat out of the dirt.
It just helps you out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I don't know why
I've never thought about that, Like it just hadn't thought
about I've had never crossed my mind to just go like,
hey just leave a little section so we can flip down.
Because I'm always carrying like a small tarp or something
like that or tiek ground cloth is throwing my pack,
I don't know I carry I carry trash bags with me.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Because like a lot of times, like a Kafaru.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Pack or something like that, like I can like I
can just line that pack and I can just start
throwing stuff in, and those packs seem to carry whatever
you want.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Is there one tip I'd give to people if you're
going to run trash bags and we run trash bags personally,
but get unsented trash bags. You do not want to
send a trash bag and seeping into that meat.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
That's a mistake I've seen some people make. So don't
don't use sended trash bags. Get unsented trash bags.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So who Like I think my dad the other day,
like we were up in Canada and my uncle had
shot an elk and he brought I was like, hey,
I need some trash bag, and he brings out the
trash back to It was like, I don't want my
meat tasting like lavender, thank you, but please get it,
please remove that. And he goes, I don't understand. I go,
(24:11):
do you not understand? Like smell those maybe had COVID
or something, maybe you couldn't smell. But I was like,
you got to be kidding me. You're bringing me that that? Yeah,
that's it, man, that's a great, great tip. Uh what
other what else you got for us? What? What if
a guy goes through he gets an animal down, what
(24:31):
are the three things that he needs to pay attention
to immediately?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Immediately is shot placement. If it's a paunch hit, you
hit gut, you want to try and get as much
of that meat out of there as you can, as
fast as you can. A lot of times that will
ruin some meat if it lays there too long, especially
with a gut hit. That animal is going to live
eight ten hours. You want to try and get that
meat out of there as soon as you can, as
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soon as you can cool down the meat, especially if
it was laying out there for a little bit, just
trying to try and have something that you can cool
down that meat. Trash bags might not be the.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Best for that.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
That's gonna keep heat rolling through if you can use
cheese cloth for.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah. Man.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Third is, have a sharp knife and take your time,
especially if it's one of your first times you cut yourself.
It's gonna slow you down. I mean, being a guy
that've cut myself way too many times, it happens. But
take your time. If you cut yourself, that's just gonna
waste time.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, that's it's a great tip and it's a great
segue because we're gonna head up to Montana Country Montana
Knife Company. Josh Smith, founder Master blade smith Man, Welcome
in and it's good to have you.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So now this is your world, like after the shot.
This seems to be like where you shine. And I'm
gonna just tell you this right now. I recently got
the speed goat two point zero. That knife scares the
hell out of me.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It is a scary sharp boy, and I mean it's
just it's so good and so well constructed. Talk about
blade selection for the guys out there, like what they
want to do, because Montana Knife Company seems to make
a blade for almost everything.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
I mean, first of all, it's really what type of
hunting or are you going to be doing? You know,
are you just going to walk into a tree stand
and be sitting there or are you going to be mobile?
You know, recently I was on a goat hunt in Alaska,
so you know, last year I was on a moose
hunt in Canada. You know, you drop in on a
lake and you know pretty much once that plane leaves,
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what you've got is what you've got, right, And so weight,
as we talked about earlier, is a big thing, whether
it's your tripod, your pack, your knife, and and you
know how many ounces are you carrying? And and and
what are you, like Mike said, what are you giving
up for the ounces that you do?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
You do give away?
Speaker 8 (26:56):
And so and then you know what type of animal
are you and how much work are you anticipating having
to do with that with that blade? You know, I
generally uh, you know recommend uh uh. And And really
what we've built our business on is a light is
a lightweight knife. Where where that does these two things.
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One it's easier to carry, and two by taking a
lot of that weight out, you.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Actually make for a lot thinner blade.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Right, So like that speed goat, it makes it much
easier to resharpen in the field because you don't have
all that steel behind the edge. A quick touch up
and you're right back to work. That knife also has
para cord on it, so you can unwrap it and
use that pair of cord if you've forgotten cordage or
you don't have enough where you're guying out of ten
or fixing boot laces, or hanging meat in a tree,
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tying it up on your pack. You know, we used
it to secure the horns of you know, the antlers
of my of my boy's moose on a pack mule.
So there's a lot of different uses for that. With that,
I generally try to pair that with a bit more
robust blade, especially if you're in a situation like an
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Alaska Canadian hunt. You're out in the middle of nowhere
and maybe you just want a little heavier duty knife
if you take down an elk or a moose. You know,
it's funny a lot of times people don't know how
to go through joints or cut an elk in half
the right way, because you know, I've cut now a
few elk and half and and completely broke them down
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with a speed goat. Now you're not prying joints apart.
You know, you're you're you're putting some pressure on those
joints and you're finding those tendons that are holding those
together and you kind of piece them apart. You know,
you're not prying an elk leg in half, or you know,
prying the spy and half of the blade. But you
know you could you could also find yourself in a
survival situation if you split a little bit of wood
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or build a fire, you know. So it is nice
to have like our stone wall knife or a super
cub or something that's just a little bit more robust
on you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah. The uh, Now you've got a new blade out
and it's I want to say it's there's is it
the packout skinner? Is that the new one I'm thinking about?
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Yeah, that packout we did with Cam. You know that
blade has a lot more belly and a lot more edge.
So if you're doing a lot of skinning, Uh, it
works really well for that for a really short I
like a small blade. Again, I don't want all that
weight and all that size. And if you know how
to use a knife and you know, the anatomy of
a of an animal, you can you can break it
down with a small blade. Uh. What I will say
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is I like like a mini speed gotor, mini stone goat,
something that has a tip if you want to do
some detail work, if you have to keep that like
the face out and get into some of those tear
ducts and some of the really tight places with the
tip of a blade. But that packout is a great
skinny knife.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, that and the bear tooth if you need a
I guess that is the the bear tooth, the like
six and a quarter inch blade. It's it's a little
bit longer.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
Yeah, and that's really kind of more of a professional knife.
Like a guide like Cole Kramer uses that knife for
fleshing out big bear hides and so it's got a.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
Big rounded edge on that.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
And you know some of these guides that do a
lot of fleshing of a hide or taxidermis, you know
they're trying to make a ton of progress on a
great big hide.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You know.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
One thing I will say about the replaceable blades, I
mean they're handy, but I think every guy should learn
how to sharpen a knife. I just feel like that's
like you check your man card if you can't sharpen
a knife.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
And you know, the other thing is, I see.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
Not everybody does this, but I have seen guys throw
these replaceable blade blades off in the bushes when they're
done with them, Like if you're going to use those,
pack those blades out and throw them away. It just
you know, kind of drives me crazy. The other the
other thing is is, you know I talk a lot
about passing a knife down, like are you going to
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pass the replaceable blade knife down to your grandchildren or
your son? Are you going to give that to somebody
for their first hunt?
Speaker 7 (30:57):
You know?
Speaker 8 (30:59):
You know, we do sharp our knives for free for life.
So whether you have one of them or ten of them,
you send them in and we sharpen them the same
day and send them back. No later than the next
day we send them back. So you know, if you
are a guide in your professional like Trent, or you're
just a weekend warrior, but especially these professionals, you know,
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they they need their they need their tools, right. And
so I tell guys, you get done with season or
you get done you're in between hunts, like you send
it to us.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
We'll have it, and you'll have it back in just
a few days.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
But also, you know, someday there's going to be a
grandson or a granddaughter or somebody and and they're gonna
be telling stories about, you know, their grandpa that was
a guide back in their early twenties in Colorado. And
you know, I don't really have anything that he had
except you know, I've got his knife that he carried.
And I say that because I've heard that story one
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hundred times in my shop. You know, my grandpa was
a Vietnam vet and the only thing I've got is
his pocket knife or you know, he went and he
as a guide in Alaska and he used this knife
on twenty different animals or whatever the stories are. And
so you're you're passing down some of that tradition in
those stories.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah. And you guys, I'm telling you, like some of
you guys do col designs. You do some good collabse
with like like Campaigns is a great one. You guys
do a lot of cool stuff like that, and I
love to see new innovative styles come out, but you
guys always kind of keep it the same. It's a
high end. It's the high quality it's get the job
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done type of knives.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Yeah, and you know it's funny hunters, when I noticed
a hole really in this market before I started this company,
you know, we saw that the leveling up of like
your your hunting gear, your camo right base layers and
mid layers and your outer layers and your rain gear.
You know, your hunting packs went from these crappy little
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packs to like what Kafaro does now, tripod leveled up.
Used to just grab some tripod that worked for you know,
some photographer and it was metal and it banged around,
and you know, we spend a ton of money on
long range rifles and optics and all this stuff, and
then people would buy a nineteen dollars knife, right. And
it's like if if you forget your tripod, or if
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you forget you know, you forget your binoculars, or you
forget some of these pieces of gear, you can still
go hunt.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
You can make it.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
But you shoot an animal and you get up there
and you realize you don't have a knife on you,
you're kind of screwed. Yeah, and again, I think it's
something that you know, we're making these here in America
and we are putting a lot of my background in
my history of knowledge into these and I'm actually a hunter.
You know some of these knife companies based out of Portland, Oregon,
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Like how much do they really hunt? Do they really
live what they're saying they do?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
They?
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Yeah, and so and we're listening to hunters. We're going
to Total Archery Challenge, We're going to hunting shows. We're
hearing from guides and hunters about what we can be
doing better, what people want to see. Uh, you know,
Honting is who we.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Are, so I hope to provide that quality.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh it's it comes through because when a knife scares me,
that's when I know it's really good.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Hey, we're going to bring back everybody. Let's bring back
everybody in and we're gonna go through our final shots.
I want to start with Kenneth. He's been sitting on
the horn long enough. Uh, Kenneth Man, what do you
got to say your final shots? Like, any observations or
any final thoughts?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, not much.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I kind of you know, agree with everyone on here,
especially when it comes to processing to lightweight gear, to
quality gear. With that lightweight in two with knives, you
want to be sharp and perform and see what Josh
at mal High this year, we saw one of our
buddies stab himself with the speed go right off the
bat when he got it.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So they are pretty sharp. Better be ready when you
get them.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, but but yeah, no good information from everybody. And
just like with the trash bag thing and the hide
like you're saying, like I bring a contractor black contractor
bag I always have in the bottom of my pack,
especially when I'm solo elk hunting. Knock off that quarter,
but have that trash bag on the backside of it
and just lay it onto it and then you kind
of shame your game bag onto it. So there's any
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sort of tip if you are cutting up by yourself,
it's good to have that. And you can kind of
create as like a ground sheet is just that trash bag.
And obviously you can use it to line your pack
if you want to make sure when you line your
pack that it's still not warm.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
When you're packing out and you say you're hiking out.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Five miles and you have a warm quarter in the
back of your backpack with a contractor bag, it's going
to stay warm, So try to get it cooled down
before you throw it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
In there, or if you're hiking distance.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, I'll throw in like if I have any water
bottles or anything like that, like if it's still kind
of warm and I don't have a big big hike, Yeah,
just to just cool it down some form or fashion.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yep, yep, but just make sure some no one has
any meat spoilages. They just throw it in there instantly
and then start hauling out five miles once you can
take several hours. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, great
information from everybody.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Awesome. All right, Kenneth, where can they find out more
from Kafaru?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yep, so go to net. We're always producing new stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And then you know, if you need any questions, hit
me up Kenneth Rall you know at Kenneth Thrall on Instagram.
But yeah, net and then hello at Cafra is our
customer service if you need to hit them up. But yeah,
so go there Kafaru International on Instagram. But yeah, if
you have any questions, reach out to me or customer service.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
They're great and their new forty four mag pack that
they launched this year is awesome. It's great. All right,
We're gonna hike our way over to Mike Hear and
Mike with Trice or any final shots.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I would just caveat what Kenny said that a contractor
bag is probably one of the single most useful pieces
of equipment to have in your pack when you need it.
UH with that, obviously keep it scentless, but also don't
buy the thin ones like the leaf bags for your yard.
You want the three mil husky contractor bags from home
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depot like I buy a box of those and basically
only use them for a hunting season. I keep them
rolled up, I tape them with masking tape. They stay
in the bottom of my pack. If you if you
do have a long pack out, it gives you the
ability to also potentially soak your meat in a creek
while keeping the meat dry, so you can put the
meat in that bag. That contractor bags.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It's thick enough.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I've heard of guys using them to stay warm and
use them because they forgot rain gear, use them to
cover their pack. So it's it's it's an all around
youthful piece of equipment. It's totally worth the weight to
have in your pack. And then I would just kind
of cavey out what what Josh said.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Give him a shout out.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
I got a scar on my finger from my Jackstone
breaking down a moose this year. I stabbed it all
the way to the bone. But the Jackstone from Montana
Knife Company is my go to fixed blade knife, like
all time favorite blade profile.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That knife.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
It just does it all and I love it. I
can't say enough good things about it. But but kind
of caveat and off what Josh said, I think all
three of the companies that are on here are made
four hunters by hunters.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Treiser.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Treiser came up in the tripod game the complete opposite way.
Every other tripod company, with the exception of one, has
started out. Every other tripod company out there is a
photography tripod company. They also want hunter and shooter dollars.
We are making tripods for hunters and shooters, and it's
probably not it's not the most lucrative business model, but
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but we are hunters and shooters. That's what we're passionate about.
Montana Knife Company loaded with hunters. Bray is one of
their employees up there. I think he's one of the
knife sharpeners. Josh that that kid's an absolute stud. Like
like the the people behind the company make the company,
Kafaru Kenny. I can't say Kenny's a killer. I hope
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to be like Kenny when I grow up. So so,
I mean, all three of these companies are our four
Hunters and Shooters, buy Hunters and Shooters and awesome and
that that shows in their craftsmanship.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It does. It absolutely does show. All Right, we're gonna
we're gonna stay in the state of Colorado and we're
gonna go over Trent. Trent, You got any final shots
for these guys?
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Oh, no, sir, Honestly, everyone made really good points. I
like what everyone was talking about. Contractor bags are great,
getting the meat away from from the carcass. I mean everything,
everything was really good and especially nice. Selection is a huge,
huge part of the hunt.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, oh my gosh, it's massive. But if if I've
got to, I've got to jump back to Mike. Mike
tell people where to go to find out more about Tricer.
We forgot that.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They can go to yep, they can go to Triycer
dot com, customer services info at tricer dot com, and
then if they have any questions, you can find me
on social that at Mike Hern on Instagram to shoot
me a DM and I'll try to answer your questions
to the best of my ability.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Perfect Trent. If someone's looking to book a hunt with
you guys, and I know you guys, these the good outfitters.
They book up years in advance, and I know you
guys are years out. But if someone want to go
learn a bit more about you or your professional shooting
exploits where they go find you at.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Full Draw Outfitters on Instagram. You can also go to
our website Full Draw Fitters. For me Just Trent Eichler
on Instagram Facebook. A lot of times I'm just posting
my shooting, but I also post some of my hunts
as well, So go check it out.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
And I'm telling you, the dude can shoot. And I
think I think I was around you when you first
started getting into it, and you were you were a
sign shooter, like a pro shooter with I would say,
within six to eight months of really picking it up,
like phenomenal for athletics. I'm like, the dude's a killer too.
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Thanks for joining us. Man. All right, Josh, final shots?
What do you got?
Speaker 6 (41:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (41:08):
The one thing with everybody kind of talking about cutting
themselves and whatnot. If you if you're out in the
field enough, you're gonna have that happen.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
There's also a lot of other things that can happen
out in the field, and so carrying a good medkit,
I think is something that a lot of us, we
might be a bit macho, especially when we're young. We
think we're invincible, especially if you're out and you know
you have your kid with you, you have a client
with you, your your you're responsible for their safety, so
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you know, it's a little bit extra weight. But having
a tourniquet, if you sit there and watch your child
or your wife or your hunting partner bleed out in
front of you because you didn't have a thirty dollars
tournique in your pack, you're gonna wish you to carry
that weight and then have some you know, combat gauze,
blood clotting gauze, just a few things like that, Uh.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Is absolutely critical.
Speaker 8 (42:00):
You know, you don't necessarily need band aids and some
of the things that just make you feel a little
bit comfortable, But I'm talking life saving stuff. We've heard
stories of people having arrows fall out of their quivers
and run up through the femural artery.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
I mean, crazy stuff.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
You jump off a log and you have a stick
go up your leg like things can happen, fall off
a wet log and puncture a chest cavity. So anyway,
that's that's one, I guess, final thing that I would say. Also,
I'll reiterate what what these guys were saying. I appreciate
the compliments, but these guys are bad asses. Kenneth Kafaro,
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great gear, you know, great stuff. And then uh, you know, Mike.
I lost to him in a shooting competition. Still not
real happy about that, but he's a he's an absolute
bad ass, so he.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Must have been games too.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
Yeah, we were at ARC. Yeah that troupe. I see
his trophy up there. He just had to hang that
trophy for this.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, oh the trophies up there. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
Yeah, I think we took second to Mike. So but anyway, No,
these are great dudes, and I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well appreciate it. Where can they go learn more from?
Montana Knife Company.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
Yeah, Montana Knife Company dot com, Montanaknife Company on Instagram,
my personal instagram, Josh Smith Knives.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
But we're prettyasy fine.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Excellent, all right, go give everybody a look here's my
final shots. And it took me a little bit of
development and listen to these guys to kind of figure
out where I wanted to go. And Josh Smith kind
of tied it all together with with being prepared for
once that shot breaks, not only having good gear to
pack out, having a good tripod to break that shot
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of a lifetime, having great knives to get out of there.
But you got it in the end. You got to
get out there with your health and your legs are
going to be sore, your back's going to be sore,
but you'll arrive alive. And that's what we want. We
want everybody to be safe. Everybody, al right, thank you
for joining us. This is gun Talk. Hunt. You know
the drill. Keep those muzzles pointing in a safe direction
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and always be on the hunt.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
M M
What happens after the shot? Well, these guys know a
thing or two about it. All that on Gun Talk Hunt,
I'm kJ. You found the right place. We go all
over this little blue orb sharing stories and tactics about
chasing wild gang. Now let's get on the hunt. Welcome
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in all you gun Talk hunters. I'm your host, kJ,
and this episode is brought to you by Hodgton, Ruger, Vortex, Remington,
Amo and Range Ready Studios. Hey, we've got everybody from
Montana to Colorado and everywhere in between, so it's gonna
be a great show. We've got Kenneth Rawl out of Kafaru,
We've got Mike Hearn with Triser Tripods, and we've got
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Trent Eichler, Guide Outfitter, and Josh Smith of Montana Knife
Company joining us this week. But let's jump in. We're
talking all about what happens after you press that trigger
on that release or the trigger and that animal hits
the ground. What happens after that? So first let's go
out to our man, Kenneth Rall with Kafaru. Kenneth, how
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you doing man? Doing good? How are you? I'm doing good? Man?
Last time we talked, we were we were doing NRL
Hunter stuff and all that good stuff and getting ready
for seasons. But now that the seasons are ramping up
and guys are getting bulls on the ground, what what
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does that look like from your perspective, Because that's when
you really shine, right, because you're like half mountain goat,
like Mike Hearn.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, So like once the process starts right, you get
the enim on the ground, you get your pictures and everything,
you're gonna want to get it torn down. So and
it depends like for us, we're in a lot of
Griz country. Both my brother and I killed bulls this
year several miles back in Griz country. The best thing
you could do was get that broken apart. So we
use always the gutless method. Can get everything you need, quarters, backstraps, tenderloins,
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neck meat, rib meat, but get it all breaking broken
down and if you can for those trips. We did
one trip the bowl with three guys, so one tripped
it out. But if you have to come in for
a second load, mainly is taking that bowl, getting it
like h and fifty yards to three hundred dards away
from the carcass, all the quarters and everything preferably right,
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not where the winds blown to it, but all the
at least I've seen the grizz come to that carcass
because it's the smelliest thing that's there. So if there's
any sort of tip, you're in grizz country. And like
I've killed bulls by myself in griz country. Is getting
those quarters away from the carcass. Don't leave it right
next to it, because they're gonna come to the carcass first.
And if you set the quarters up, glass them, you know,
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set them to where you could see them when you're
coming back for a second load at like two hundred
yards or a little farther, just to see if there's
a griz on it. But when it comes to like
knife selections and anything like I used, you know, the
stone gill from MKC is a great knife for breaking down.
I'll always have like a tidou in the biny harness
with you know, five blades per say, and then uh,
just get it broken down quick. And obviously when you
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go out, make sure your knife's sharp before you head out.
There's nothing worse than getting an animal down and you're
sitting there trying to hack it up and then cut
yourself because it's you know, too dull.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well are you getting or are you getting in too
much of a hurry. But but your packouts look a
little bit different, you know than a guy like from
the Midwest or or even the southeast. You know, like
your dear, selection has to be really dialed in. And
I know I've spent I've spent I've spent hours talking
to hearn about this and about like your pack load
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out and how that all fits. And that's that's where man,
if you don't have something that fits right, it becomes
a big issue. So talk about fitment of of pack
and and how to select a pack.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, so selecting a pack, I mean it's best to
try them on. And the best thing now is like
the majority of all the companies have them at like
a Shields or anything. You know, you can go and
try them on now. Or if you can't, like if
you talk to like anybody here at Kafaru, if you
talk to me, if I get your height, your waist
size and everything, we can kind of get it ballparked
in there. Then once you get it, can chat with
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us still. But the best thing to do and also
once you get a pack, throw it on, take pictures
of it. You can send it to customer service. We
can tell you right away if it's going to be
fitting right or wrong then and mainly think like the
main thing is too like when you're loading, make sure
you're loading it correct. Like if you have all the
weight in the bottom of your pack and at the
bottom of your lumbar, it's not going to feel comfortable
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regardless of finnie pack, you know, Like, so if you
want to have it correct fitment, and like what I say,
even if you have a stone glacier, everly stock XO
or kafaru, is your process of putting the pack on.
So loosen everything up. You have everything loose, put the
waist belt on first, Tighten your waist belt, your shoulder
strap maybe you know, clip your sturtum strap, and then
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load lifters last. So start from the ground up. That's
how you have your correct fitment. Because you'll see people
with pinched shoulder straps and you know that they didn't
you know they had their loaded strap too tight before
tightening the shoulder straps.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Explain those load lifters real quick, because I think I
think we're in putting a lot of information out here.
And explain those load lifters real quick. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So the load lifters is a strap that comes from
your shoulder strap back to the frame, so it's going
to pull that frame tighter to your back and keep
it in line with your posterior chain. So it's gonna
you know, hauling weight, it's going to be in line
with your body instead of you know, falling way too back,
like where it's going to be pulling you back. You
want to have it straight with your back and at
like a forty five degree angle.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
So I it's at a forty five degree angle. That's good.
If it's too steep, you can still haul a lot
of weight.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
What you don't want is to be too flat because
if it's too flat then that's when you're going to
get that a lot of pressure pushing down into your back.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So it's just trying to find that fine line.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And like with our system, we have our one shoulder
strap that moves between slots, so if you throw it
on and it's too flat, right, you can move them
so you know, up or down to get them to
where you need that forty five degree angle right.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's yeap Man. Getting that pack right makes makes her
breaks well, it makes her breaks your back. Really, I mean,
but your your journey out. You want to come out heavy,
but you want to come out comfortable.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right well, and that's what I'll tell you, Like, yeah,
you want to come out comfortable. But I'll tell everyone
right now, it doesn't matter if you kill an milk.
You're not going to feel comfortable packing with an olk,
regardless of any pack, like comfortable in the sense of like, oh,
this is a breeze, right. The only thing I say
is like to where you can get up on your
feet and the pack not break. Like my bowl this
year killed it. We killed it six and a half
(06:46):
miles back. We one tripped it out. I had bone
in hind, quarter, front, shoulder, the head and all my
camp and.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Still could do it. The frame didn't break.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That probably weighs as much as I do, if not
more so if you're frame and you can thing. That's
the one thing about kfaru is you don't have to
really load it super diligently. If you can throw it
on it and get on there, then you can haul.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
But if you have a malfunction, If you have a
malfunction six and a half miles back trying to throw
on you know, one hundred and fifty pounds or more,
then you're not going to have a good day. And
that's where you trust your pack and you don't want
to have those mishaps.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Oh no, not at all. Yeah, all right, man, I
appreciate you joining us, and we're gonna jump back in
at final shots with you. But let's head it up
to Colorado Springs and let's let's talk to Mike Hearn
out there. Mike, you had an interesting hunt just happened.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Ud.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You probably hunt bulls harder than anyone I know, and
this year you just had a tough go at it.
What happened after you pressed off a shot? Well, I
did it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I did not make the most ideal shot. So, but
it was last night at elk season here in Colorado
Archery Elks and I I went to a spot where
I knew bulls were hanging out that I had avoided
because it borders private property. I avoided it all season long.
I knew there was a ton of elk down there,
but it's a It's just that it's always a risky
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play and I knew full well the risks.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So made a bad shot on a bull.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It was a mortal shot that bull is he is
stone dead as I speak right now, probably getting eaten
by birds and coyotes on private property. But the bull
ended up moving off into private property, so there was
no way for me to recover it. I reached out
to a guy that guides on the property for the outfitter.
(08:37):
I got a hold of the ranch manager, and ultimately
the ranch manager left it up to the outfitter, and
the outfitter told me to go pouncing.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So and no words like that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Pretty harsh the way. Yeah, I couldn't believe it was
not a mount individual.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I couldn't believe the amount of fury. He came at
you and holds you basically like you come on here,
you're gonna see me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yep, yep, he said. He called me and confirmed who
I was, and then said you're not coming on this
property and if you do, I'll be waiting for you.
And I was like, well, I'm making the phone calls
to get permission, so obviously not coming out without permission,
trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But yep, but I mean you do like the frustrating
thing for me about this, and and kind of a
cautionary tale if you will you understood the risk that
you were running, but you did everything right, like you
were hunting legally in the in the area that you
were hunting, and you stuck the bull. Then the bull
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runs over to private you call like multiple calls. This
wasn't just one call. We'll see what happens. There was
multiple calls made throughout this process to find the right
person to make the decision whether or not to let
you on. You were you were confronted with like I
would say, very very aggressively that you weren't going to
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be able to recover a bull that you knew was
dead and you knew where that bull was. I can't
get over this. And and when we come back, I'm
we're gonna be talking with Trent Eichler. But how did
you how do you recover from that man? How does
that not scar you from private landowners?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well, I mean so here, I mean, here's the deal.
If it was September fifteenth and he still had hunters
on the property and I would have been bumping out
going in there looking for my bull, I would have
I would have been like that, that's completely understandable. And
I understand that that's the outfitter's livelihood, So I like
the best I can do with it. I mean, it's
a it's a crap sandwich and I got to eat it.
(10:48):
So being in the military, I'm pretty used to choking
those down when they get force fed to me. So
I mean, that's really it. But I mean if it
was September fifteenth, I would have completely understood. Uh, but
the fact that season is closed, there's not his rifle
season doesn't start for another week, like now, a week
(11:09):
from today, right, But uh yeah, I mean you just
you gotta you gotta deal with the hand your dealt.
So yeah, that that's what happened with that.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But but and you're you're you're hiking way back and
you spent a lot of time out and granted you
were you were hunting with an archery equipment, but the
company that you work for now they're not necessarily on
the archery side. But I mean, unless you're looking for
a glassing tripod, they do have some that'll work. You. Guys.
(11:42):
Came out with the new X two that I've been
hunting with quite a bit. I took it up to
Canada with me and my boys. Phenomenal tripod dedicated towards
like PRS n r L guys talk about weight saving
gear when you're packing out, just like Kenneth was doing
with his bull where he has camp on his back
and a talk about like where we're headed with like
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lightweight gear. I mean so and I mean and you.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Josh can talk about this in the knife world, Kenneth
can talk about it in backpacks like archery, whether you're
doing or rifle hunting, doing load development, you're always proverbially
robbing Peter to pay Paul. You're some the piper gets
paid somewhere. Right, Like you buy a super cheap knife,
you're not gonna have good blade retention. It's gonna dull
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up quick on you. Right, you buy a super cheap tripod,
it might be a little bit heavier, or it might
not be as durable, or it might not are the
legs might not articulate as well. You buy a cheap pack,
or you get an ultra light pack that's not cheap.
You're not gonna be comfortable with eighty pounds. You wear
a Kafaru that's a little bit heavier at base empty
(12:53):
weight backpack. You know it's three to five pounds, so
it's a little bit heavier pack. But when you put
eighty pounds on it, you're happy at weighs that because
it's thirty where it carry.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Is that load better?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right? So you're always the piper's always getting paid somewhere.
When it comes to tripods like the new X one,
X one and X two in the DH ball head
that is not meant to be lightweight, that was built
for the PRS NRL hunter crowd, I probably won't be
taking that tripod on any backpack hunts. But we do.
(13:23):
We make tripods. We make the HK K combination right
and then and the one thing that Treiser does that
Drew the CEO has done that we do is we
want everything to be functional. Right, So I just shot
an ad with the HKAK ballhead and our LP pan
head because a lot of guys are like, well, what
(13:43):
do I do if I am going on a rifle hunt,
a backpack rifle hunt, and I want to be able
to have the ability to shoot off from a tripod
and the ability to glass off from the tripod. Well, again,
in the in the world, items are purpose built. So
our glassing tripods, yeah, you can shoot off from them
in a pinch. But if I know I'm going to
be shooting off from it. I want a tripod that's
(14:04):
built to be shot off from, which is HK, which
is fairly I mean it's a four pound with that
AK inverted ball head, so you got four pounds there.
And then I'm gonna take the LP pan head that
cost me four ounce as a weight, and because we
make everything interchangeable and interoperable, that LP pan head has
ARCA cuts on the base, so I can clamp that
(14:26):
LP pant head into my AK head and then I've
got my spotter. I can glass and then the minute
I see the I identify an animal I want to kill,
I hit the quick release on the ballhead, pop that
pan head off, rifle goes in, Get set up, make
my shot. So you're you're looking at like a four pound,
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four ounce package to be able to glass and accurately
shoot off a tripod. So we kind of make everything
to be interoperable, and it's kind of shooter preference. There
are plenty of guys that are running our A D
and B C are ultra late tripods are that are
built purpose built forward lasting that will shoot off from
him as well. In pen. But being military, I always
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I always kind of air on the on the on
the shooting side, and accuracy and precision. So I'm always
gonna take something that's more purpose built for the thing
that's more important to me, right, which would be making
a good shot. Uh and so but yeah, that's uh,
We've we've we've got a lot of cool stuff in
the works.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah. So it's it's it's awesome gear. I've I've loved
everything I've touched of y'all's. We're gonna take a break
and on the other side of this, we're gonna go
over to Trent Eichler, also in Colorado and see what
he has to say about a tough your guiding and
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Outfitter Professional Shooter for Taurus man, you spend You spend
probably more time out in the woods than any of us. Maybe, mind,
I don't know. Mike might give you a run for
(18:56):
your money, but he's out there hunting and you're out
there guiding and or hunting as well in your own
free time. How's this year been for you, guys?
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Man, it was still a pretty good year. I mean,
we usually go off of shot opportunity and not kills,
but elk. This year, the elk weren't super ready this year,
especially up the West Ranch. They just weren't weren't really
getting after. It made it harder on us. We still
still put up really good numbers, but it was just
a rougher year. It's been a wet year and that
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kind of messed with us during an antelope. But still
a pretty good year. God, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
So you heard Mike's story, and Mike was on on
on a public land hunt shot a bull, ran over
to private landowner, said, no way, you're not getting over here.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
As a guide and outfitter and who adds private land,
how do you how would you approach that? Would you
approach that any differently than the landowner?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
I personally, yes, I mean we've had we have different
outfitters that border our property, and if they end up
getting one and it runs onto our property, that's a
trophy animal for a hunter. I mean, especially in Elk.
You want that animal. You may have paid a lot
of money for that animal and that experience. We're not
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going to take that away from you. I mean, it
doesn't matter. If you're coming onto our property. We'll talk
to you and we might go get the animal for you,
because we don't want you walking on to our property
and spooking off animals on our property. But we'll go
in and we'll try and get the animal out for
you and we'll deliver it to you or we'll do
something to help you out with.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
That man, Mike was just in the wrong area. Yeah,
I bet he would have had a guy like you
talking to him.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Yeah, that's just a rough experience.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean, it just it would sour me for
sure on that area. I mean, and maybe that was
his that's his plan, Like the more people he's route
to that requests permission to go get wounded animals, and
maybe it doesn't happen that often, but maybe he's just
tired of hearing it about it. But from the from
the break of the shot, what what lessons have you
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learned that could trim the learning curve for someone who's
doing it, you know who's been doing it one way
all their live like in the process of whether it's
cleaning or packing out, Like, are there any tips that
you you've picked up over the years.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
For sure, know what you want to do with the animal.
If you want to get it mounted, that's going to
change the way that you're going to address that animal.
That's going to change the way how you take it.
If you're if it's just a cow oak, it's not
you don't want the hide or you don't want the
head for it, I'm going to do the gutless method
to make it easier for me and faster for me.
(21:47):
But if you want it, one of my biggest helpers
when I'm packing on an animal is a sharp knife.
I usually have a pack of changeable blades for my knife,
just to make sure as soon as if it gets
dull and swap it out and be ready to go.
And then pair of cord. Like Kenneth was saying, if
you're in bare country, you want to get the hind
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quarters or whatever you can't pack out on that first
run away. A lot of times, what I like to
do is use five fifty cord and put it on
a tree and hang it in a tree if I
have time to do it, and that keeps it off
the ground, keeps it away from any animal. Another thing
I like to do to keep the meat from getting
too much dirt on it. I mean, when you're moving
around and trying to hike things out, sometimes stuff will fall.
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I like to keep one side if I'm not going
to mount that animal, especially on the hind quarters, I
like to keep one side with fur on it. You're
gonna get a little hair on your meat. You can
wash that off right after. It's not a big deal.
I like to be able to lay that on the
ground while i'm skinning. I don't have to throw it
in a bag or anything like that. Keep it right there,
throw it in my pack, and I'm good to god.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I've never thought about just leaving a little bit of
hide on it so you can set it down like
that's what it's meant for.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yes, yeah, exactly. It keeps that meat out of the dirt.
It just helps you out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I don't know why
I've never thought about that, Like it just hadn't thought
about I've had never crossed my mind to just go like,
hey just leave a little section so we can flip down.
Because I'm always carrying like a small tarp or something
like that or tiek ground cloth is throwing my pack,
I don't know I carry I carry trash bags with me.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Because like a lot of times, like a Kafaru.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Pack or something like that, like I can like I
can just line that pack and I can just start
throwing stuff in, and those packs seem to carry whatever
you want.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Is there one tip I'd give to people if you're
going to run trash bags and we run trash bags personally,
but get unsented trash bags. You do not want to
send a trash bag and seeping into that meat.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
That's a mistake I've seen some people make. So don't
don't use sended trash bags. Get unsented trash bags.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So who Like I think my dad the other day,
like we were up in Canada and my uncle had
shot an elk and he brought I was like, hey,
I need some trash bag, and he brings out the
trash back to It was like, I don't want my
meat tasting like lavender, thank you, but please get it,
please remove that. And he goes, I don't understand. I go,
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do you not understand? Like smell those maybe had COVID
or something, maybe you couldn't smell. But I was like,
you got to be kidding me. You're bringing me that that? Yeah,
that's it, man, that's a great, great tip. Uh what
other what else you got for us? What? What if
a guy goes through he gets an animal down, what
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are the three things that he needs to pay attention
to immediately?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Immediately is shot placement. If it's a paunch hit, you
hit gut, you want to try and get as much
of that meat out of there as you can, as
fast as you can. A lot of times that will
ruin some meat if it lays there too long, especially
with a gut hit. That animal is going to live
eight ten hours. You want to try and get that
meat out of there as soon as you can, as
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soon as you can cool down the meat, especially if
it was laying out there for a little bit, just
trying to try and have something that you can cool
down that meat. Trash bags might not be the.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Best for that.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
That's gonna keep heat rolling through if you can use
cheese cloth for.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah. Man.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Third is, have a sharp knife and take your time,
especially if it's one of your first times you cut yourself.
It's gonna slow you down. I mean, being a guy
that've cut myself way too many times, it happens. But
take your time. If you cut yourself, that's just gonna
waste time.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, that's it's a great tip and it's a great
segue because we're gonna head up to Montana Country Montana
Knife Company. Josh Smith, founder Master blade smith Man, Welcome
in and it's good to have you.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So now this is your world, like after the shot.
This seems to be like where you shine. And I'm
gonna just tell you this right now. I recently got
the speed goat two point zero. That knife scares the
hell out of me.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It is a scary sharp boy, and I mean it's
just it's so good and so well constructed. Talk about
blade selection for the guys out there, like what they
want to do, because Montana Knife Company seems to make
a blade for almost everything.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
I mean, first of all, it's really what type of
hunting or are you going to be doing? You know,
are you just going to walk into a tree stand
and be sitting there or are you going to be mobile?
You know, recently I was on a goat hunt in Alaska,
so you know, last year I was on a moose
hunt in Canada. You know, you drop in on a
lake and you know pretty much once that plane leaves,
(26:38):
what you've got is what you've got, right, And so weight,
as we talked about earlier, is a big thing, whether
it's your tripod, your pack, your knife, and and you
know how many ounces are you carrying? And and and
what are you, like Mike said, what are you giving
up for the ounces that you do?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
You do give away?
Speaker 8 (26:56):
And so and then you know what type of animal
are you and how much work are you anticipating having
to do with that with that blade? You know, I
generally uh, you know recommend uh uh. And And really
what we've built our business on is a light is
a lightweight knife. Where where that does these two things.
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One it's easier to carry, and two by taking a
lot of that weight out, you.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Actually make for a lot thinner blade.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Right, So like that speed goat, it makes it much
easier to resharpen in the field because you don't have
all that steel behind the edge. A quick touch up
and you're right back to work. That knife also has
para cord on it, so you can unwrap it and
use that pair of cord if you've forgotten cordage or
you don't have enough where you're guying out of ten
or fixing boot laces, or hanging meat in a tree,
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tying it up on your pack. You know, we used
it to secure the horns of you know, the antlers
of my of my boy's moose on a pack mule.
So there's a lot of different uses for that. With that,
I generally try to pair that with a bit more
robust blade, especially if you're in a situation like an
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Alaska Canadian hunt. You're out in the middle of nowhere
and maybe you just want a little heavier duty knife
if you take down an elk or a moose. You know,
it's funny a lot of times people don't know how
to go through joints or cut an elk in half
the right way, because you know, I've cut now a
few elk and half and and completely broke them down
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with a speed goat. Now you're not prying joints apart.
You know, you're you're you're putting some pressure on those
joints and you're finding those tendons that are holding those
together and you kind of piece them apart. You know,
you're not prying an elk leg in half, or you know,
prying the spy and half of the blade. But you
know you could you could also find yourself in a
survival situation if you split a little bit of wood
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or build a fire, you know. So it is nice
to have like our stone wall knife or a super
cub or something that's just a little bit more robust
on you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah. The uh, Now you've got a new blade out
and it's I want to say it's there's is it
the packout skinner? Is that the new one I'm thinking about?
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Yeah, that packout we did with Cam. You know that
blade has a lot more belly and a lot more edge.
So if you're doing a lot of skinning, Uh, it
works really well for that for a really short I
like a small blade. Again, I don't want all that
weight and all that size. And if you know how
to use a knife and you know, the anatomy of
a of an animal, you can you can break it
down with a small blade. Uh. What I will say
(29:30):
is I like like a mini speed gotor, mini stone goat,
something that has a tip if you want to do
some detail work, if you have to keep that like
the face out and get into some of those tear
ducts and some of the really tight places with the
tip of a blade. But that packout is a great
skinny knife.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, that and the bear tooth if you need a
I guess that is the the bear tooth, the like
six and a quarter inch blade. It's it's a little
bit longer.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
Yeah, and that's really kind of more of a professional knife.
Like a guide like Cole Kramer uses that knife for
fleshing out big bear hides and so it's got a.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
Big rounded edge on that.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
And you know some of these guides that do a
lot of fleshing of a hide or taxidermis, you know
they're trying to make a ton of progress on a
great big hide.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You know.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
One thing I will say about the replaceable blades, I
mean they're handy, but I think every guy should learn
how to sharpen a knife. I just feel like that's
like you check your man card if you can't sharpen
a knife.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
And you know, the other thing is, I see.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
Not everybody does this, but I have seen guys throw
these replaceable blade blades off in the bushes when they're
done with them, Like if you're going to use those,
pack those blades out and throw them away. It just
you know, kind of drives me crazy. The other the
other thing is is, you know I talk a lot
about passing a knife down, like are you going to
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pass the replaceable blade knife down to your grandchildren or
your son? Are you going to give that to somebody
for their first hunt?
Speaker 7 (30:57):
You know?
Speaker 8 (30:59):
You know, we do sharp our knives for free for life.
So whether you have one of them or ten of them,
you send them in and we sharpen them the same
day and send them back. No later than the next
day we send them back. So you know, if you
are a guide in your professional like Trent, or you're
just a weekend warrior, but especially these professionals, you know,
(31:19):
they they need their they need their tools, right. And
so I tell guys, you get done with season or
you get done you're in between hunts, like you send
it to us.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
We'll have it, and you'll have it back in just
a few days.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
But also, you know, someday there's going to be a
grandson or a granddaughter or somebody and and they're gonna
be telling stories about, you know, their grandpa that was
a guide back in their early twenties in Colorado. And
you know, I don't really have anything that he had
except you know, I've got his knife that he carried.
And I say that because I've heard that story one
(31:52):
hundred times in my shop. You know, my grandpa was
a Vietnam vet and the only thing I've got is
his pocket knife or you know, he went and he
as a guide in Alaska and he used this knife
on twenty different animals or whatever the stories are. And
so you're you're passing down some of that tradition in
those stories.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah. And you guys, I'm telling you, like some of
you guys do col designs. You do some good collabse
with like like Campaigns is a great one. You guys
do a lot of cool stuff like that, and I
love to see new innovative styles come out, but you
guys always kind of keep it the same. It's a
high end. It's the high quality it's get the job
(32:33):
done type of knives.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Yeah, and you know it's funny hunters, when I noticed
a hole really in this market before I started this company,
you know, we saw that the leveling up of like
your your hunting gear, your camo right base layers and
mid layers and your outer layers and your rain gear.
You know, your hunting packs went from these crappy little
(32:56):
packs to like what Kafaro does now, tripod leveled up.
Used to just grab some tripod that worked for you know,
some photographer and it was metal and it banged around,
and you know, we spend a ton of money on
long range rifles and optics and all this stuff, and
then people would buy a nineteen dollars knife, right. And
it's like if if you forget your tripod, or if
(33:18):
you forget you know, you forget your binoculars, or you
forget some of these pieces of gear, you can still
go hunt.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
You can make it.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
But you shoot an animal and you get up there
and you realize you don't have a knife on you,
you're kind of screwed. Yeah, and again, I think it's
something that you know, we're making these here in America
and we are putting a lot of my background in
my history of knowledge into these and I'm actually a hunter.
You know some of these knife companies based out of Portland, Oregon,
(33:46):
Like how much do they really hunt? Do they really
live what they're saying they do?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
They?
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Yeah, and so and we're listening to hunters. We're going
to Total Archery Challenge, We're going to hunting shows. We're
hearing from guides and hunters about what we can be
doing better, what people want to see. Uh, you know,
Honting is who we.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Are, so I hope to provide that quality.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh it's it comes through because when a knife scares me,
that's when I know it's really good.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Hey, we're going to bring back everybody. Let's bring back
everybody in and we're gonna go through our final shots.
I want to start with Kenneth. He's been sitting on
the horn long enough. Uh, Kenneth Man, what do you
got to say your final shots? Like, any observations or
any final thoughts?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, not much.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I kind of you know, agree with everyone on here,
especially when it comes to processing to lightweight gear, to
quality gear. With that lightweight in two with knives, you
want to be sharp and perform and see what Josh
at mal High this year, we saw one of our
buddies stab himself with the speed go right off the
bat when he got it.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So they are pretty sharp. Better be ready when you
get them.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, but but yeah, no good information from everybody. And
just like with the trash bag thing and the hide
like you're saying, like I bring a contractor black contractor
bag I always have in the bottom of my pack,
especially when I'm solo elk hunting. Knock off that quarter,
but have that trash bag on the backside of it
and just lay it onto it and then you kind
of shame your game bag onto it. So there's any
(35:21):
sort of tip if you are cutting up by yourself,
it's good to have that. And you can kind of
create as like a ground sheet is just that trash bag.
And obviously you can use it to line your pack
if you want to make sure when you line your
pack that it's still not warm.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
When you're packing out and you say you're hiking out.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Five miles and you have a warm quarter in the
back of your backpack with a contractor bag, it's going
to stay warm, So try to get it cooled down
before you throw it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
In there, or if you're hiking distance.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, I'll throw in like if I have any water
bottles or anything like that, like if it's still kind
of warm and I don't have a big big hike, Yeah,
just to just cool it down some form or fashion.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yep, yep, but just make sure some no one has
any meat spoilages. They just throw it in there instantly
and then start hauling out five miles once you can
take several hours. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, great
information from everybody.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Awesome. All right, Kenneth, where can they find out more
from Kafaru?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yep, so go to net. We're always producing new stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
And then you know, if you need any questions, hit
me up Kenneth Rall you know at Kenneth Thrall on Instagram.
But yeah, net and then hello at Cafra is our
customer service if you need to hit them up. But yeah,
so go there Kafaru International on Instagram. But yeah, if
you have any questions, reach out to me or customer service.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
They're great and their new forty four mag pack that
they launched this year is awesome. It's great. All right,
We're gonna hike our way over to Mike Hear and
Mike with Trice or any final shots.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I would just caveat what Kenny said that a contractor
bag is probably one of the single most useful pieces
of equipment to have in your pack when you need it.
UH with that, obviously keep it scentless, but also don't
buy the thin ones like the leaf bags for your yard.
You want the three mil husky contractor bags from home
(37:14):
depot like I buy a box of those and basically
only use them for a hunting season. I keep them
rolled up, I tape them with masking tape. They stay
in the bottom of my pack. If you if you
do have a long pack out, it gives you the
ability to also potentially soak your meat in a creek
while keeping the meat dry, so you can put the
meat in that bag. That contractor bags.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It's thick enough.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I've heard of guys using them to stay warm and
use them because they forgot rain gear, use them to
cover their pack. So it's it's it's an all around
youthful piece of equipment. It's totally worth the weight to
have in your pack. And then I would just kind
of cavey out what what Josh said.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Give him a shout out.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
I got a scar on my finger from my Jackstone
breaking down a moose this year. I stabbed it all
the way to the bone. But the Jackstone from Montana
Knife Company is my go to fixed blade knife, like
all time favorite blade profile.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That knife.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
It just does it all and I love it. I
can't say enough good things about it. But but kind
of caveat and off what Josh said, I think all
three of the companies that are on here are made
four hunters by hunters.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Treiser.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Treiser came up in the tripod game the complete opposite way.
Every other tripod company, with the exception of one, has
started out. Every other tripod company out there is a
photography tripod company. They also want hunter and shooter dollars.
We are making tripods for hunters and shooters, and it's
probably not it's not the most lucrative business model, but
(38:45):
but we are hunters and shooters. That's what we're passionate about.
Montana Knife Company loaded with hunters. Bray is one of
their employees up there. I think he's one of the
knife sharpeners. Josh that that kid's an absolute stud. Like
like the the people behind the company make the company,
Kafaru Kenny. I can't say Kenny's a killer. I hope
(39:05):
to be like Kenny when I grow up. So so,
I mean, all three of these companies are our four
Hunters and Shooters, buy Hunters and Shooters and awesome and
that that shows in their craftsmanship.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It does. It absolutely does show. All Right, we're gonna
we're gonna stay in the state of Colorado and we're
gonna go over Trent. Trent, You got any final shots
for these guys?
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Oh, no, sir, Honestly, everyone made really good points. I
like what everyone was talking about. Contractor bags are great,
getting the meat away from from the carcass. I mean everything,
everything was really good and especially nice. Selection is a huge,
huge part of the hunt.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, oh my gosh, it's massive. But if if I've
got to, I've got to jump back to Mike. Mike
tell people where to go to find out more about Tricer.
We forgot that.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They can go to yep, they can go to Triycer
dot com, customer services info at tricer dot com, and
then if they have any questions, you can find me
on social that at Mike Hern on Instagram to shoot
me a DM and I'll try to answer your questions
to the best of my ability.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Perfect Trent. If someone's looking to book a hunt with
you guys, and I know you guys, these the good outfitters.
They book up years in advance, and I know you
guys are years out. But if someone want to go
learn a bit more about you or your professional shooting
exploits where they go find you at.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Full Draw Outfitters on Instagram. You can also go to
our website Full Draw Fitters. For me Just Trent Eichler
on Instagram Facebook. A lot of times I'm just posting
my shooting, but I also post some of my hunts
as well, So go check it out.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
And I'm telling you, the dude can shoot. And I
think I think I was around you when you first
started getting into it, and you were you were a
sign shooter, like a pro shooter with I would say,
within six to eight months of really picking it up,
like phenomenal for athletics. I'm like, the dude's a killer too.
(41:02):
Thanks for joining us. Man. All right, Josh, final shots?
What do you got?
Speaker 6 (41:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (41:08):
The one thing with everybody kind of talking about cutting
themselves and whatnot. If you if you're out in the
field enough, you're gonna have that happen.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
There's also a lot of other things that can happen
out in the field, and so carrying a good medkit,
I think is something that a lot of us, we
might be a bit macho, especially when we're young. We
think we're invincible, especially if you're out and you know
you have your kid with you, you have a client
with you, your your you're responsible for their safety, so
(41:37):
you know, it's a little bit extra weight. But having
a tourniquet, if you sit there and watch your child
or your wife or your hunting partner bleed out in
front of you because you didn't have a thirty dollars
tournique in your pack, you're gonna wish you to carry
that weight and then have some you know, combat gauze,
blood clotting gauze, just a few things like that, Uh.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
Is absolutely critical.
Speaker 8 (42:00):
You know, you don't necessarily need band aids and some
of the things that just make you feel a little
bit comfortable, But I'm talking life saving stuff. We've heard
stories of people having arrows fall out of their quivers
and run up through the femural artery.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
I mean, crazy stuff.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
You jump off a log and you have a stick
go up your leg like things can happen, fall off
a wet log and puncture a chest cavity. So anyway,
that's that's one, I guess, final thing that I would say. Also,
I'll reiterate what what these guys were saying. I appreciate
the compliments, but these guys are bad asses. Kenneth Kafaro,
(42:36):
great gear, you know, great stuff. And then uh, you know, Mike.
I lost to him in a shooting competition. Still not
real happy about that, but he's a he's an absolute
bad ass, so he.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Must have been games too.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
Yeah, we were at ARC. Yeah that troupe. I see
his trophy up there. He just had to hang that
trophy for this.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, oh the trophies up there. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
Yeah, I think we took second to Mike. So but anyway, No,
these are great dudes, and I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well appreciate it. Where can they go learn more from?
Montana Knife Company.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
Yeah, Montana Knife Company dot com, Montanaknife Company on Instagram,
my personal instagram, Josh Smith Knives.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
But we're prettyasy fine.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Excellent, all right, go give everybody a look here's my
final shots. And it took me a little bit of
development and listen to these guys to kind of figure
out where I wanted to go. And Josh Smith kind
of tied it all together with with being prepared for
once that shot breaks, not only having good gear to
pack out, having a good tripod to break that shot
(43:44):
of a lifetime, having great knives to get out of there.
But you got it in the end. You got to
get out there with your health and your legs are
going to be sore, your back's going to be sore,
but you'll arrive alive. And that's what we want. We
want everybody to be safe. Everybody, al right, thank you
for joining us. This is gun Talk. Hunt. You know
the drill. Keep those muzzles pointing in a safe direction
(44:06):
and always be on the hunt.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
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