November 2, 2025 • 28 mins
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-- The NRA is the only gun group funding critical campaigns in the midterm elections.
-- The .45 GAP, the .30 Super, and other cartridges that failed in the marketplace.
-- Looking for opportunities to help others. Make a difference in someone's life.
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-- The NRA is the only gun group funding critical campaigns in the midterm elections.
-- The .45 GAP, the .30 Super, and other cartridges that failed in the marketplace.
-- Looking for opportunities to help others. Make a difference in someone's life.
Gun Talk 11.02.25 After Show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Put all your gear on the CHAPII and then roll
around on the ground. Now, get up all your gear
that's on the ground. That's what you're not gonna have
in a fight.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's it like to be blown up?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
You know, if it's like C four, it's almost like
a smack hunting.
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Yeah, we talk about that too.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
On your crosshairs, I like a thin crosshair ange.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're really dating yourself by calling things cross hairs.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You're redical whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have some fun and stay informed with the gun Talk podcast.
So you've made it through.
Speaker 6 (00:39):
Three hours of the regular show on terrestrial radio and
you wanted a little bit more. So that's why you
found the gun Talk After Show podcast, where we saved
all the best.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Things that we can't say on regular radio. Now if
here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey, it's after showtime. We got Jim and Michelle here, Hello,
my friends. True, Hey, hey, I tried to pick irritate
everybody today by getting the NRA on here because I
got people online going, yeah, I'm never gonna be back
there anyone, really. I mean, it's like, okay, we do
need everybody in the fight. And you're aren't you the
(01:15):
ones you said? Well, as long as Wayne LaPier is there,
I'm out and I'll be back when he's gone. Been
gone for two years now.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Don't remind them of it, like two years, and.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It irritates them when you tell them, Hey, this is
what you said. Now, what are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Nobody likes No, it's right.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's kind of a I told you so a thing,
but nobody likes to hear that either. I guess I.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Don't even know what's the membership gone up to any idea.
I know they have yearly and whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
It's down huge?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, I mean cost why? Sorry?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Oh is it still thirty five? I think it might
still be thirty five bucks a year?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm a lifer. I only paid once.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah. Well, and there's the problem problem up when you're
a lifer and actually this all is connected. The magazine
subscriptions become a huge liability because you paid once, but
you're owed a magazine forever.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh, I may have to litigate against the.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Oh, I think so do a class action?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We do when we would sell a magazine back in
the magazine business, we're trying to evaluate the what the
value was of a magazine you're going to sell it.
And it's interesting the subscription base is not an asset.
It's a liability, yeah, because because the current owners have
(02:38):
all the money, but the people who are buying it
get all of the liability of having to provide magazines
for those people.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
So if they're only going to put out a quarterly magazine,
is it going to have all four once worth of
digital information in it?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You know? I don't know, And I bet they don't
know yet. Okay, I think they probably. It sounds to
me as though they may have been considering this for
a while, but the decision was made somewhat quickly because
somebody probably came to them and said, look, this is
how many millions of dollars it's going to cost us
to put these magazines out next year.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
And I bet it's like lots of millions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Well, And like anything, sometimes the volume of actually journalism
goes down and it's so many ads that it's like, Okay,
I'm put it aside and eventually I get around to
reading it again.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So maybe would be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think maybe so, and people say, well, yeah, the
thing is half ads, Yes it is. It's always half ads.
If it's you know, five hundred pages of magazine, it's
still going to be fifty percent ads. Because that's how
we determine how many pages to print. We go basically say,
all right, Advertising department, what do we have for ads? Okay,
(03:54):
we've got thirty two pages of ads. Okay, we're going
to have a sixty four page magazine. If we've got
sixty four ages of ads, we're gonna have one hundred
and thirty two pages or wherever it is twice that
magazine is fifty to fifty. And I mean we have
seen the American riflement. It has become so thin. It's
like there's nothing there anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
You can only get right, and you can only print
on such cheap paper for so long before it disintegrates
in the mail.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
The toilet paper issue. Yeah, see, now we've got dual use.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh it's colored though, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Don't want you know, we've gone far enough.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh well, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
It might be a good thing, but I know lots
of the younger generation they don't even sign up for
a single magazine to be delivered to them. They are
all digital anyways. It's us older people that are holding on.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
Yeah, they've got it to dial it in for the
web more, because what are you gonna do. You're releasing
an addition two days later something big happens in gun news,
you're gonna wait three months.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
To at least that, I mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So yeah, so good thought at that point, Do you
put any news in the magazine at all? Because it's
pretty dated at that point.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Human interest stuff. You could cover it, find it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, human interest and also I mean good they've always
had good information about guns and his history of guns
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
But the point, you know, that feels old and stodgy.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Now I like to read the IL a portion of
it too, just because that's what I like to follow
for sure, knowing what's going on with things. But yeah,
like you say that, that could be outdated by the
time you get it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And what does everybody read first? The armed citizen? Yep,
everybody wants to read the reports of self defensive guns.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Ye love it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I mean you could do ten pages of that and
it wouldn't be too much.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
No, not at all, and especially if you're going over
a three four month period.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, I had a talk with Mark Keith, he's the
head of Public Cases, and I was what still is
the editor of American Riflemen. And it was tough because
they're having to let a lot of good people go
from the magazines.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
It's like, these people didn't I said.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Did nothing wrong, but we're just not going to have
the magazines anymore, and so they got to let them go.
So it's a it's tough on them. But I will
tell you that one thing that Doug Hammon didn't say
on the air, and I wish he had, is that
he told us on this call. He says, we now
have a balanced budget at the NRA.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, it's important.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, we've not had that in a decade.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Eighteen months, that's quick.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, oh yeah, Well, I mean they have cut so
much expense out it's unbelievable. I also asked him in
our call we had about the museum. He said, no,
the museum's in great shape. He says, actually, we're getting
more visitors now that the government shut down because they
can't go to the Smithsonian, So people are coming out
to the NRAA museum.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh, pribulous. Well, and let's put this on the positive side.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
If they're now in a balanced budget and people actually
do come back, we can actually put them in the
plus and actually use our money for good and I'll
have viable cases.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, you know, and the cases are one thing. But
he pointed out he said, Look, he says we have
to keep the House in the midterm elections, which is hard.
It's very difficult in midterms, he said, because if I
hadn't thought of this, he says, if the Democrats get
the House, then we will have nothing but non stop
Trump impeachment hearings.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Oh yeah, right, the rest of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And so all the Trump agenda grinds to a halt
at that point.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Well, I'm not sure the shutdown is doing it any
favor right now. People are so one site or the other.
You're just like, okay, just this is stupid. Let's just
get beyond this, you.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Know, acting like children.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
At the same time, the Republicans have voted to continue
the government and to open the government, and the Democrats
say no, no, no, no, no, not unless you give us
a trillion dollars worth of payoffs, And so I get
where they all are. It's just frustrating. To watch this
thing going on.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
It is because there are people that are suffering that
should not be.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
At our local well I say local embois the local
pilots down there are taking food to the control tower
for the ATU. Oh cool, yeah, for the fa guys
there that the controllers. It's like, Okay, you know it's
not enough. We know that you can't pay your bills,
(08:29):
but here's at least food. Here's something we can do.
And that kind of goes back to that thing I
was talking about at the end of the show of
helping people out. It's like we decided personally, we're making
up another donation to our local food bank. It's like,
I know there are people who are hurting who need this.
The government sources are not there. Local food banks are working,
(08:51):
so you know, if you can throw a little money
into that. Now, this is not gun related, I guess,
it's just people related to humanity.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yes, yeah, I mean, I know several states are moving
funds to be able to help cover you know, different
aspects of snap benefits and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But you know, our military is suffering.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
They're the ones taking the hit, and that just deepens
my sadness. I guess for the state that we are
in right now, because those are the last people that
should be feeling this.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
Yeah, no kidding, so well yeah, Yet Senate in the House,
they keep getting paid huhte works.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Which one of them are going to bring this up
for topic for the American people.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And by the way, they keep saying, well, you always
to get rid of the filibuster. No, because if you
get rid of the filibuster, then there's really no need
for the Senate because it becomes just a majority vote.
Just like the House. The Senator is supposed to be
the speed break. It's supposed to be the caution that
it's harder to get things through the Senate, which makes
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them deliberate more and slow things down. If it's simply
majority ruled, then you have the tiarity of them majority
like they have in the House. Right, tyranny, tyranny by Dolly.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
But after the break time I have, I'm going to
make it go on a limon, make a little prediction
about the midterms.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Okay, well we'll take a break. I'm gonna keep talking
during the break.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, Okay, we will ignore you like we do just
like the Russian show.
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Speaker 2 (11:01):
And another thing, Stop Tom, we're back on the air.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Jeez swear would be like, you see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay, Jim thinks he has all the power with the
button over there. Whatever the button, he.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Can make you go. The buttons. You's got this bank
of buttons. I have no idea what they do.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
He's got his hand floating above this big red button,
just waiting.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I can make you go away.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I've got a label.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
It's just the the button, the button, the button.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Ive it? Lord?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
All right, what's your prediction?
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Oh my prediction? Here's what I here's the reason. You
know how midterms very often switch parties. I mean it's
more common than that.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Oh yeah, generally.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
So here's my prediction on why the Dems are not
going to take the midterms and here's what's going to
happen for them to not take the midterms, They're going
to continue doing exactly what they're doing. The Dems are
their own worst enemy at the moment, and their approval
rating as of this morning was sixteen percent, the lowest
that think of all time. Right by their own party.
(12:11):
People won't become Republicans, but they're leaving and trying to
start third party stuff, which just helps the Republicans anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, yeah, and what you end up with is the
lack of enthusiasm, and you need the enthusiasm to get
people out for the midterms. And that's where the hate
Trump movement goes is because that's how they motivate their base,
just to get them out through the hate of Trump.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Right, let's not use empirical data, facts or common sense.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Let's just use emotion. Okay, great, it's works so far.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Say you win with that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
And we also know how erroneous these pollsters have been
in the last eight years, twelve years.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Maybe you know. So how do you believe anything that's
going on?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Well, yeah, which spins us all the way back to
our interview with Doug Hamblin from the NRA. With him
talking about the need for them to because nobody else.
People say, well, you know, we got Secondman Foundation, we
got GA Yes we do. Right, none of those, None
of those do anything about the elections, right, It's only
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the NRA is giving money to candidates and helping them
with the ads and everything they do to win elections.
And when we win the elections, we retain the House,
we retain the Senate. Oh and why would we want
to retain the Senate? Where do you think Supreme Court
justices are voted? So, I mean, it's all critical and
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people tend to forget that messy part, which is spending
millions upon millions of dollars on these campaigns.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Well, it's the second. We only have a couple more
days ago until November fourth. I don't know what kind
of elections there are locally across the country, but they're
just as important.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
If you don't vote, you know, you really are just
sitting on your button, letting somebody else decide what happens.
And people go, well, people have unbelievable number of excuses.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
You know, But the same folks that at the results,
yes they are who you vote for.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Why I didn't it? One vote doesn't you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Haven't want to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You have no one to hear it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Just want to say if you voted and you bitch, fine,
I'll listen to you. Okay, I want to listen for
long because I don't like bitching.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
But you know, get on, you know what I mean? Wait,
is this an echo chamber?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So that's when that's when you play ludicrous, right, which
we can't do anyway, not here. Say by the way,
Steve Enman, who does those funny videos, he uses those
a lot. Yeah, oh god, he's funny baliant. His commentary
on those videos is hilarious. So that's kind of where
we are. Oh all right, a question, Michelle. Did you
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get a chance to listen at all to the Larry
Vickers interview?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I did listen to it, okay, between.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Beers maybe, well yeah, I was the same as the
same as always.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
After all, you're going to test me and I'm not
going to know something, So I.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I just thought it was interesting given all the high
end high speed really involves stuff that and Delta is
they are the best shooters of all the special operators
because they shoot all the time. That's all they do
is shoot all the time, and then they go places
and shoot people. And I said, okay, what is it
you know about this that the average person doesn't know?
He says, you have to make your heads. Oh it's
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like that kind of seems obvious. And then you think, yeah,
I guess just shooting and missing din'd really get the
job done.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Nope.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
All goes back to getting all those shots on your
three by five, Yeah, four.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
By six, cheating down time.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I can't believe you failed.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I was trying to get people that know. What you
do is you take your four by six card? You
didn't fold it in half?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Trickster?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I was going to be two by six or is
it going to be four by three?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, it's subtle.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I hate fractions.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Math, that's not your thing.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, which way do I fold it in half?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's a geometry thing. I can't do this, you know.
But his point was you have to be able to
make hits. Take your time and really make good bulls
eye hits. Then you can start speeding up. And there
are actually some instructors, and I've never taken classes from
any of them, but who will tell you spread the
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shots around? You know, it's okay to not be able
to shoot small groups. It's all fine because you're hitting here.
Oh yeah, I'll teach you here because you don't want
all the bullet holes to go through the same place,
because you want to cause extra damage. Trust me, in
a gunfight, if you shoot somebody and you shoot the
same place the same place, isn't there anymore?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
That person has moved.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, we need to move on from this conversation. I'm
going to need botox from my browse. Frot. That's an
insane concept.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
This segment brought to you by Boatox.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Feel like they're running low on bovine talks.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
And but you know, the sisters, the Williams sisters said
the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Imagine, imagine you have people who are beating people all
over the world.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Hits on paper, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's only going matter. If you can't make the hits,
you're wasting your time and effort.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
And sometimes it's more than just hits on paper, depends
on what game you're playing. Sometimes its being in the
exact center of the paper.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
And something tells me the stress and competitive shooting is
nowhere near the stress of saving your life and not but.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
But the training what you know, But what you learn,
particularly on the action stuff where you're shooting faster and moving,
is you get to where you can problem solve on
the move with distractions going on around you. And I
mean it really is true.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It increases your readiness efforts.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yes, well, it means the second effort when you do
need it, you've already.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's already there. It's muscle memory. Yeah, you're just slowing through.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah. It's like the guys who say, you know, well,
you know, I was off on the second and third
plates in the plate rack. I said, well, knock them
down and says, yeah, but I hit them on the
left edge. But I corrected when I got to the
fourth target. And they're going bake ban bay bay ban
ban bang, and they're doing all that like that, and
they're actually shooting and problem solving. And when you do
the force on force training, same thing. It's like after
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you've done it the first time, you're overwhelmed. The fifth time,
you're doing pretty well. The twentieth time, it's like a
walk in the park. You know, you've got people coming
at you, ninjas and aliens and different stuff going on. Whoa,
and you're just taking care.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Of the problem and that's why you train.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Well, it's the same thing with doing the NSSA shooting.
I mean we start with a pigeon board, so there's
so many clay pigeons actually attached to a cardboard, and Okay, yeah,
you hit it, but we'll go down there and we'll
take a look. Where did I hit it? Was it
in the center? Was it to the left? Because do
I need to make adjustments from there? Because sometimes that's
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the biggest target that we're going to aim at, and
then the rest of them don't have cardboard behind them.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, if I hit that on the edge, a smaller target,
I'm going to miss it.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I need a hold better. Yes, So it makes it.
It makes a difference.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You got to yank the trigger better.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Yank the pastor you got to hit six or seven
to get a meal. They're hard to clean.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
They got to boil them forever.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It just tastes. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You boil them up for a couple of hours and
throw the whole mess away and then go to burger key.
I think, I whoa, Yes, we just lost the sponsor.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Yeah, we were this close to getting them too, right, Jim,
you will.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Never be king taking your paper crown away.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I'll identify as a king. You can't strip me of it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So there.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Well, so okay.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So I had a little talk this week with the
folks at Silver and Slide. They called me because they're
building me in nineteen eleven. And he's saying, well, do
you want this? You want that? I said, yeah, you know,
and it's very interesting the process I mean, and it
goes to what Vickers will say. It's like, yes, this
is a they're polishing all the internals. They're doing the
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complete reliability package and they're doing you know, every single
part is polished and inserted and as symboled to make it.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
And this is not a target gun. I said, I
want there's a carry gun. They said, no, no, we understand.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
We're building you a carry gun that will shoot like
a target gun, will be utterly reliable.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Still hand tuned.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yes, it's still hand tuned.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What made you go forty five? I know, what's a
big fan you are? Of nine? I would have bet
money you would have gone nine.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Brain fade probably just if I had given it much
more thought out to say build it nine. But I
was just going so classic.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Just call them and change your mind.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
You know what that means, Michelle, The next one I need.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I need a little brother to my big brothers.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Can you build a mini me?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, I just want you to remember that you have friends.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
We're in Ohio and we can give you our mailing
addresses for whatever it is you need to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, we have room. We take weapons.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Seven rounds of empty brass I can send you.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Is it five hundred ar? If it's not, we don't
want it.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What were you guys doing offline? You were looking at
some gun?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah. I had questioned it last week, and then this week.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Michelle is kind of conversation kind of thing, and I
was like, what's the biggest seven my auto? You know
that because like three thirty eight? Well, most of the
bigger caliber stuff, most of it's bolt action, I thought.
And then we started investigating and she she said, no,
you can get four to fifty bush Master.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
At times said four to fifty bush Master. They are
oh that's bigger.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, what else?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah? And then I looked up the m O price
four and a quarter around.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, it's not a fifty BMG.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No, A fifty A and E actually expresses the same thing.
I think that's just as expensive crazy and a hand
cannon and a.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Hand cannon and you know, but you, by golly, you
got the biggest thing at the range out there.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
You try to explain that to like some prosecuting attorney
or something.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Why did you have this massive?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well there is actually that's a factor.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
There was a guy you were looking to kill someone.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Trying to remember and I think his name was fisherman
in Arizona who they prosecuted him because he used a
ten milimeter and they said it was too much.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah for the FBI.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Well clearly they Well.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You know which, by the way, uh, I think the
forty has almost disappeared.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Yeah, that was working on that during COVID days. So yeah,
still hanging on there five and a half years later.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's pretty new ones, the new series from Glock. I
don't think they're making a.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Forty No, wow, I think I.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Remember this is all brand new, but I think there's
not a forty in.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
The lineup that would shock me.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
We'll make it a forty gap.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Those will sell, yeah, because the forty five gap went
so well, so terrific.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
To have their spin.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, you know, the thing is if you can find
a box of forty gap and will just buy it
and then that'll be a collector's item.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Then we saw the same thing with the thirty super
Smith and Wesson tried to do.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, you know, And the thing is, it's probably not
a bad concept.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
It's just there's no room for it, right.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, the three twenty seven Federal, as good as
it is, it's still kind of niche m h.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
It's like, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Know, but is there room for another cartridge sliding in
between all those other ones? Barely? Maybe if you have
the marketing power of a Hornity, you know, to do
like they've done with the Creed wors Yep, yep and
the PRC. I mean they it's Hornity that made all
that happen. With that marketing power.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
They hit absolutely, But even then that's a big if
we've got calibers that are, you know, right next to.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
It's not like they created something new, but they definitely,
like you say, took the advertising to the extreme. And
you know, these things weren't in existence a good year
maybe two before they hit the commercial side, really, I mean,
because people were out there using them already in competitive
market and.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
They moved on to something else.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
But now the six five is there, and it's it's
a hard one to get past for most people.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, and they're is you know, a real advantage if
in an hour to tell people if you're shooting past
four hundred yards. If you're not, then it doesn't matter, honestly.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Right you look at yeah ballistic you know we can't
even go into that. We're almost at the end of
the show.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But because because you have already left, right, you know,
that puts you in charge of the button button She's
mad with power.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
The spooky season still, right.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
It is, And now's the time.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
If you like candy, go hit the stores right now,
because all that hallowing candy is like half price.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Well, you probably had a lot of trick or treaders out,
were you.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, two moose and a fox.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I hope you put out some nice corn for them,
of course.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Try, Oh lordy. Well, all right, so we had a
incredibly full show. We had six game seven if.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
You count the Williams sisters just too.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, and if you put them in the right order,
it would even be better.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
But no, did I do that? No, inside baseball, we
don't need to tell people that if we make a
mistake if people don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We intended to do that was audible.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I'd met to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Or as our granddaughter used to do what she would
run and fall down somewhere, and you know, before we
could say any things, she say, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay, I knew it. I'm all right.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Classic something would happen a home. I had several siblings,
but something would break and be like, I can fix it.
My mom would be in the sheer panic. I didn't
even do it, but I can fix it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Don't worry.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
How to good attention in a hurry, I can fix it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I remind of some friends of ours. They used to
take these long trips when she was a kid. She said, yes,
I was on one of those driving trips. I'm sleeping
in the back and says my sister worked me up
and says, wake up, we're all getting a whipping.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
No, no, I'm good to stick through it.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
No, no, everybody get up this type we're all getting
a whipping.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now, wake up. You have to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
No, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
But how they were landed that in your mind?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Right, that's right, said they will wake up. Take your
sleeping pill yep. Yeah, well okay, all right, So yeah,
I'm looking at maybe taking some more classes somewhere just
because you know what I want to do. I really
want to go take a full class at gun sight
with my custom nineteen eleven winning If it ever gets made.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, they'll make you drop it on the ground. What
are you thinking?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah, that part I wouldn't be happy about.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But you know, honestly, I actually in the conversation I
had this week, because he was saying, well, you know,
we're going to do this finish on it says, now
we could do the really really super fine finish on.
I said, nope, nope, I said it. I said it's
a carry gun, and if it drops on the ground,
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Cry, yep, because you know it will.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Weren't your gun sight When they're about to do the
gun drop?
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Can't you just lean over to your guy next year
on rinche he ain't cant borrow your gun from it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Sure, just when you have your backup and you drop the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Back up, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
You just have a talk about your throatdown gun Lordie.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well listen, you guys, have a wonderful week. I hope
the trick or treaders were kind to you, good to
you so well. We'll do this again next week unless
they figure out how to stop.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Is alrighty, they say
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Buddy, you too, Thanks, We'll catch you next time for
the gun talk after show.
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Speaker 4 (00:13):
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Speaker 5 (00:17):
Yeah, we talk about that too.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
On your crosshairs, I like a thin crosshair ange.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
You're really dating yourself by calling things cross hairs.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
You're redical whatever.
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey, it's after showtime. We got Jim and Michelle here, Hello,
my friends. True, Hey, hey, I tried to pick irritate
everybody today by getting the NRA on here because I
got people online going, yeah, I'm never gonna be back
there anyone, really. I mean, it's like, okay, we do
need everybody in the fight. And you're aren't you the
(01:15):
ones you said? Well, as long as Wayne LaPier is there,
I'm out and I'll be back when he's gone. Been
gone for two years now.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Don't remind them of it, like two years, and.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It irritates them when you tell them, Hey, this is
what you said. Now, what are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Nobody likes No, it's right.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's kind of a I told you so a thing,
but nobody likes to hear that either. I guess I.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Don't even know what's the membership gone up to any idea.
I know they have yearly and whatever.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
It's down huge?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, I mean cost why? Sorry?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Oh is it still thirty five? I think it might
still be thirty five bucks a year?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm a lifer. I only paid once.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah. Well, and there's the problem problem up when you're
a lifer and actually this all is connected. The magazine
subscriptions become a huge liability because you paid once, but
you're owed a magazine forever.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Oh, I may have to litigate against the.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Oh, I think so do a class action?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We do when we would sell a magazine back in
the magazine business, we're trying to evaluate the what the
value was of a magazine you're going to sell it.
And it's interesting the subscription base is not an asset.
It's a liability, yeah, because because the current owners have
(02:38):
all the money, but the people who are buying it
get all of the liability of having to provide magazines
for those people.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
So if they're only going to put out a quarterly magazine,
is it going to have all four once worth of
digital information in it?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You know? I don't know, And I bet they don't
know yet. Okay, I think they probably. It sounds to
me as though they may have been considering this for
a while, but the decision was made somewhat quickly because
somebody probably came to them and said, look, this is
how many millions of dollars it's going to cost us
to put these magazines out next year.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
And I bet it's like lots of millions of dollars.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Well, And like anything, sometimes the volume of actually journalism
goes down and it's so many ads that it's like, Okay,
I'm put it aside and eventually I get around to
reading it again.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So maybe would be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think maybe so, and people say, well, yeah, the
thing is half ads, Yes it is. It's always half ads.
If it's you know, five hundred pages of magazine, it's
still going to be fifty percent ads. Because that's how
we determine how many pages to print. We go basically say,
all right, Advertising department, what do we have for ads? Okay,
(03:54):
we've got thirty two pages of ads. Okay, we're going
to have a sixty four page magazine. If we've got
sixty four ages of ads, we're gonna have one hundred
and thirty two pages or wherever it is twice that
magazine is fifty to fifty. And I mean we have
seen the American riflement. It has become so thin. It's
like there's nothing there anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
You can only get right, and you can only print
on such cheap paper for so long before it disintegrates
in the mail.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
The toilet paper issue. Yeah, see, now we've got dual use.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh it's colored though, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Don't want you know, we've gone far enough.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh well, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
It might be a good thing, but I know lots
of the younger generation they don't even sign up for
a single magazine to be delivered to them. They are
all digital anyways. It's us older people that are holding on.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
Yeah, they've got it to dial it in for the
web more, because what are you gonna do. You're releasing
an addition two days later something big happens in gun news,
you're gonna wait three months.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
To at least that, I mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So yeah, so good thought at that point, Do you
put any news in the magazine at all? Because it's
pretty dated at that point.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Human interest stuff. You could cover it, find it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, human interest and also I mean good they've always
had good information about guns and his history of guns
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
But the point, you know, that feels old and stodgy.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Now I like to read the IL a portion of
it too, just because that's what I like to follow
for sure, knowing what's going on with things. But yeah,
like you say that, that could be outdated by the
time you get it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And what does everybody read first? The armed citizen? Yep,
everybody wants to read the reports of self defensive guns.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Ye love it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I mean you could do ten pages of that and
it wouldn't be too much.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
No, not at all, and especially if you're going over
a three four month period.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, I had a talk with Mark Keith, he's the
head of Public Cases, and I was what still is
the editor of American Riflemen. And it was tough because
they're having to let a lot of good people go
from the magazines.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
It's like, these people didn't I said.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Did nothing wrong, but we're just not going to have
the magazines anymore, and so they got to let them go.
So it's a it's tough on them. But I will
tell you that one thing that Doug Hammon didn't say
on the air, and I wish he had, is that
he told us on this call. He says, we now
have a balanced budget at the NRA.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, it's important.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, we've not had that in a decade.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Eighteen months, that's quick.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, oh yeah, Well, I mean they have cut so
much expense out it's unbelievable. I also asked him in
our call we had about the museum. He said, no,
the museum's in great shape. He says, actually, we're getting
more visitors now that the government shut down because they
can't go to the Smithsonian, So people are coming out
to the NRAA museum.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh, pribulous. Well, and let's put this on the positive side.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
If they're now in a balanced budget and people actually
do come back, we can actually put them in the
plus and actually use our money for good and I'll
have viable cases.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, you know, and the cases are one thing. But
he pointed out he said, Look, he says we have
to keep the House in the midterm elections, which is hard.
It's very difficult in midterms, he said, because if I
hadn't thought of this, he says, if the Democrats get
the House, then we will have nothing but non stop
Trump impeachment hearings.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Oh yeah, right, the rest of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
And so all the Trump agenda grinds to a halt
at that point.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Well, I'm not sure the shutdown is doing it any
favor right now. People are so one site or the other.
You're just like, okay, just this is stupid. Let's just
get beyond this, you.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Know, acting like children.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
At the same time, the Republicans have voted to continue
the government and to open the government, and the Democrats
say no, no, no, no, no, not unless you give us
a trillion dollars worth of payoffs, And so I get
where they all are. It's just frustrating. To watch this
thing going on.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
It is because there are people that are suffering that
should not be.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
At our local well I say local embois the local
pilots down there are taking food to the control tower
for the ATU. Oh cool, yeah, for the fa guys
there that the controllers. It's like, Okay, you know it's
not enough. We know that you can't pay your bills,
(08:29):
but here's at least food. Here's something we can do.
And that kind of goes back to that thing I
was talking about at the end of the show of
helping people out. It's like we decided personally, we're making
up another donation to our local food bank. It's like,
I know there are people who are hurting who need this.
The government sources are not there. Local food banks are working,
(08:51):
so you know, if you can throw a little money
into that. Now, this is not gun related, I guess,
it's just people related to humanity.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Yes, yeah, I mean, I know several states are moving
funds to be able to help cover you know, different
aspects of snap benefits and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But you know, our military is suffering.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
They're the ones taking the hit, and that just deepens
my sadness. I guess for the state that we are
in right now, because those are the last people that
should be feeling this.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
Yeah, no kidding, so well yeah, Yet Senate in the House,
they keep getting paid huhte works.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Which one of them are going to bring this up
for topic for the American people.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And by the way, they keep saying, well, you always
to get rid of the filibuster. No, because if you
get rid of the filibuster, then there's really no need
for the Senate because it becomes just a majority vote.
Just like the House. The Senator is supposed to be
the speed break. It's supposed to be the caution that
it's harder to get things through the Senate, which makes
(09:54):
them deliberate more and slow things down. If it's simply
majority ruled, then you have the tiarity of them majority
like they have in the House. Right, tyranny, tyranny by Dolly.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
But after the break time I have, I'm going to
make it go on a limon, make a little prediction
about the midterms.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Okay, well we'll take a break. I'm gonna keep talking
during the break.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Okay, Okay, we will ignore you like we do just
like the Russian show.
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Speaker 2 (11:01):
And another thing, Stop Tom, we're back on the air.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Jeez swear would be like, you see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay, Jim thinks he has all the power with the
button over there. Whatever the button, he.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Can make you go. The buttons. You's got this bank
of buttons. I have no idea what they do.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
He's got his hand floating above this big red button,
just waiting.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I can make you go away.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I've got a label.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
It's just the the button, the button, the button.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Ive it? Lord?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
All right, what's your prediction?
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Oh my prediction? Here's what I here's the reason. You
know how midterms very often switch parties. I mean it's
more common than that.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Oh yeah, generally.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
So here's my prediction on why the Dems are not
going to take the midterms and here's what's going to
happen for them to not take the midterms, They're going
to continue doing exactly what they're doing. The Dems are
their own worst enemy at the moment, and their approval
rating as of this morning was sixteen percent, the lowest
that think of all time. Right by their own party.
(12:11):
People won't become Republicans, but they're leaving and trying to
start third party stuff, which just helps the Republicans anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, yeah, and what you end up with is the
lack of enthusiasm, and you need the enthusiasm to get
people out for the midterms. And that's where the hate
Trump movement goes is because that's how they motivate their base,
just to get them out through the hate of Trump.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Right, let's not use empirical data, facts or common sense.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Let's just use emotion. Okay, great, it's works so far.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Say you win with that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
And we also know how erroneous these pollsters have been
in the last eight years, twelve years.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Maybe you know. So how do you believe anything that's
going on?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Well, yeah, which spins us all the way back to
our interview with Doug Hamblin from the NRA. With him
talking about the need for them to because nobody else.
People say, well, you know, we got Secondman Foundation, we
got GA Yes we do. Right, none of those, None
of those do anything about the elections, right, It's only
(13:16):
the NRA is giving money to candidates and helping them
with the ads and everything they do to win elections.
And when we win the elections, we retain the House,
we retain the Senate. Oh and why would we want
to retain the Senate? Where do you think Supreme Court
justices are voted? So, I mean, it's all critical and
(13:39):
people tend to forget that messy part, which is spending
millions upon millions of dollars on these campaigns.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Well, it's the second. We only have a couple more
days ago until November fourth. I don't know what kind
of elections there are locally across the country, but they're
just as important.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
If you don't vote, you know, you really are just
sitting on your button, letting somebody else decide what happens.
And people go, well, people have unbelievable number of excuses.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
You know, But the same folks that at the results,
yes they are who you vote for.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Why I didn't it? One vote doesn't you.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Haven't want to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You have no one to hear it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Just want to say if you voted and you bitch, fine,
I'll listen to you. Okay, I want to listen for
long because I don't like bitching.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
But you know, get on, you know what I mean? Wait,
is this an echo chamber?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So that's when that's when you play ludicrous, right, which
we can't do anyway, not here. Say by the way,
Steve Enman, who does those funny videos, he uses those
a lot. Yeah, oh god, he's funny baliant. His commentary
on those videos is hilarious. So that's kind of where
we are. Oh all right, a question, Michelle. Did you
(15:05):
get a chance to listen at all to the Larry
Vickers interview?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I did listen to it, okay, between.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Beers maybe, well yeah, I was the same as the
same as always.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
After all, you're going to test me and I'm not
going to know something, So I.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I just thought it was interesting given all the high
end high speed really involves stuff that and Delta is
they are the best shooters of all the special operators
because they shoot all the time. That's all they do
is shoot all the time, and then they go places
and shoot people. And I said, okay, what is it
you know about this that the average person doesn't know?
He says, you have to make your heads. Oh it's
(15:44):
like that kind of seems obvious. And then you think, yeah,
I guess just shooting and missing din'd really get the
job done.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Nope.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
All goes back to getting all those shots on your
three by five, Yeah, four.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
By six, cheating down time.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I can't believe you failed.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I was trying to get people that know. What you
do is you take your four by six card? You
didn't fold it in half?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Trickster?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I was going to be two by six or is
it going to be four by three?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, it's subtle.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I hate fractions.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Math, that's not your thing.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, which way do I fold it in half?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's a geometry thing. I can't do this, you know.
But his point was you have to be able to
make hits. Take your time and really make good bulls
eye hits. Then you can start speeding up. And there
are actually some instructors, and I've never taken classes from
any of them, but who will tell you spread the
(16:45):
shots around? You know, it's okay to not be able
to shoot small groups. It's all fine because you're hitting here.
Oh yeah, I'll teach you here because you don't want
all the bullet holes to go through the same place,
because you want to cause extra damage. Trust me, in
a gunfight, if you shoot somebody and you shoot the
same place the same place, isn't there anymore?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
That person has moved.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, we need to move on from this conversation. I'm
going to need botox from my browse. Frot. That's an
insane concept.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
This segment brought to you by Boatox.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Feel like they're running low on bovine talks.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
And but you know, the sisters, the Williams sisters said
the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Imagine, imagine you have people who are beating people all
over the world.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Hits on paper, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's only going matter. If you can't make the hits,
you're wasting your time and effort.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
And sometimes it's more than just hits on paper, depends
on what game you're playing. Sometimes its being in the
exact center of the paper.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
And something tells me the stress and competitive shooting is
nowhere near the stress of saving your life and not but.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
But the training what you know, But what you learn,
particularly on the action stuff where you're shooting faster and moving,
is you get to where you can problem solve on
the move with distractions going on around you. And I
mean it really is true.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It increases your readiness efforts.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Yes, well, it means the second effort when you do
need it, you've already.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's already there. It's muscle memory. Yeah, you're just slowing through.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah. It's like the guys who say, you know, well,
you know, I was off on the second and third
plates in the plate rack. I said, well, knock them
down and says, yeah, but I hit them on the
left edge. But I corrected when I got to the
fourth target. And they're going bake ban bay bay ban
ban bang, and they're doing all that like that, and
they're actually shooting and problem solving. And when you do
the force on force training, same thing. It's like after
(18:46):
you've done it the first time, you're overwhelmed. The fifth time,
you're doing pretty well. The twentieth time, it's like a
walk in the park. You know, you've got people coming
at you, ninjas and aliens and different stuff going on. Whoa,
and you're just taking care.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Of the problem and that's why you train.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Well, it's the same thing with doing the NSSA shooting.
I mean we start with a pigeon board, so there's
so many clay pigeons actually attached to a cardboard, and Okay, yeah,
you hit it, but we'll go down there and we'll
take a look. Where did I hit it? Was it
in the center? Was it to the left? Because do
I need to make adjustments from there? Because sometimes that's
(19:24):
the biggest target that we're going to aim at, and
then the rest of them don't have cardboard behind them.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, if I hit that on the edge, a smaller target,
I'm going to miss it.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I need a hold better. Yes, So it makes it.
It makes a difference.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
You got to yank the trigger better.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Yank the pastor you got to hit six or seven
to get a meal. They're hard to clean.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
They got to boil them forever.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
It just tastes. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You boil them up for a couple of hours and
throw the whole mess away and then go to burger key.
I think, I whoa, Yes, we just lost the sponsor.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Yeah, we were this close to getting them too, right, Jim,
you will.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Never be king taking your paper crown away.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I'll identify as a king. You can't strip me of it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So there.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Well, so okay.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So I had a little talk this week with the
folks at Silver and Slide. They called me because they're
building me in nineteen eleven. And he's saying, well, do
you want this? You want that? I said, yeah, you know,
and it's very interesting the process I mean, and it
goes to what Vickers will say. It's like, yes, this
is a they're polishing all the internals. They're doing the
(20:40):
complete reliability package and they're doing you know, every single
part is polished and inserted and as symboled to make it.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
And this is not a target gun. I said, I
want there's a carry gun. They said, no, no, we understand.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
We're building you a carry gun that will shoot like
a target gun, will be utterly reliable.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Still hand tuned.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yes, it's still hand tuned.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What made you go forty five? I know, what's a
big fan you are? Of nine? I would have bet
money you would have gone nine.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Brain fade probably just if I had given it much
more thought out to say build it nine. But I
was just going so classic.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Just call them and change your mind.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
You know what that means, Michelle, The next one I need.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I need a little brother to my big brothers.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Can you build a mini me?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, I just want you to remember that you have friends.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
We're in Ohio and we can give you our mailing
addresses for whatever it is you need to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, we have room. We take weapons.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Seven rounds of empty brass I can send you.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Is it five hundred ar? If it's not, we don't
want it.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
What were you guys doing offline? You were looking at
some gun?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah. I had questioned it last week, and then this week.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Michelle is kind of conversation kind of thing, and I
was like, what's the biggest seven my auto? You know
that because like three thirty eight? Well, most of the
bigger caliber stuff, most of it's bolt action, I thought.
And then we started investigating and she she said, no,
you can get four to fifty bush Master.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
At times said four to fifty bush Master. They are
oh that's bigger.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, what else?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah? And then I looked up the m O price
four and a quarter around.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, it's not a fifty BMG.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No, A fifty A and E actually expresses the same thing.
I think that's just as expensive crazy and a hand
cannon and a.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Hand cannon and you know, but you, by golly, you
got the biggest thing at the range out there.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
You try to explain that to like some prosecuting attorney
or something.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Why did you have this massive?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well there is actually that's a factor.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
There was a guy you were looking to kill someone.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Trying to remember and I think his name was fisherman
in Arizona who they prosecuted him because he used a
ten milimeter and they said it was too much.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah for the FBI.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Well clearly they Well.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You know which, by the way, uh, I think the
forty has almost disappeared.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Yeah, that was working on that during COVID days. So yeah,
still hanging on there five and a half years later.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's pretty new ones, the new series from Glock. I
don't think they're making a.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Forty No, wow, I think I.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Remember this is all brand new, but I think there's
not a forty in.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
The lineup that would shock me.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
We'll make it a forty gap.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Those will sell, yeah, because the forty five gap went
so well, so terrific.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
To have their spin.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Well, you know, the thing is if you can find
a box of forty gap and will just buy it
and then that'll be a collector's item.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Then we saw the same thing with the thirty super
Smith and Wesson tried to do.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, you know, And the thing is, it's probably not
a bad concept.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
It's just there's no room for it, right.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, the three twenty seven Federal, as good as
it is, it's still kind of niche m h.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
It's like, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Know, but is there room for another cartridge sliding in
between all those other ones? Barely? Maybe if you have
the marketing power of a Hornity, you know, to do
like they've done with the Creed wors Yep, yep and
the PRC. I mean they it's Hornity that made all
that happen. With that marketing power.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
They hit absolutely, But even then that's a big if
we've got calibers that are, you know, right next to.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
It's not like they created something new, but they definitely,
like you say, took the advertising to the extreme. And
you know, these things weren't in existence a good year
maybe two before they hit the commercial side, really, I mean,
because people were out there using them already in competitive
market and.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
They moved on to something else.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
But now the six five is there, and it's it's
a hard one to get past for most people.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well, and they're is you know, a real advantage if
in an hour to tell people if you're shooting past
four hundred yards. If you're not, then it doesn't matter, honestly.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Right you look at yeah ballistic you know we can't
even go into that. We're almost at the end of
the show.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But because because you have already left, right, you know,
that puts you in charge of the button button She's
mad with power.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
The spooky season still, right.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
It is, And now's the time.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
If you like candy, go hit the stores right now,
because all that hallowing candy is like half price.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Well, you probably had a lot of trick or treaders out,
were you.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, two moose and a fox.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I hope you put out some nice corn for them,
of course.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Try, Oh lordy. Well, all right, so we had a
incredibly full show. We had six game seven if.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
You count the Williams sisters just too.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, and if you put them in the right order,
it would even be better.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
But no, did I do that? No, inside baseball, we
don't need to tell people that if we make a
mistake if people don't know about it.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We intended to do that was audible.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I'd met to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Or as our granddaughter used to do what she would
run and fall down somewhere, and you know, before we
could say any things, she say, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay, I knew it. I'm all right.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Classic something would happen a home. I had several siblings,
but something would break and be like, I can fix it.
My mom would be in the sheer panic. I didn't
even do it, but I can fix it.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Don't worry.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
How to good attention in a hurry, I can fix it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I remind of some friends of ours. They used to
take these long trips when she was a kid. She said, yes,
I was on one of those driving trips. I'm sleeping
in the back and says my sister worked me up
and says, wake up, we're all getting a whipping.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
No, no, I'm good to stick through it.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
No, no, everybody get up this type we're all getting
a whipping.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now, wake up. You have to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
No, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
But how they were landed that in your mind?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Right, that's right, said they will wake up. Take your
sleeping pill yep. Yeah, well okay, all right, So yeah,
I'm looking at maybe taking some more classes somewhere just
because you know what I want to do. I really
want to go take a full class at gun sight
with my custom nineteen eleven winning If it ever gets made.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, they'll make you drop it on the ground. What
are you thinking?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah, that part I wouldn't be happy about.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But you know, honestly, I actually in the conversation I
had this week, because he was saying, well, you know,
we're going to do this finish on it says, now
we could do the really really super fine finish on.
I said, nope, nope, I said it. I said it's
a carry gun, and if it drops on the ground,
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Cry, yep, because you know it will.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Weren't your gun sight When they're about to do the
gun drop?
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Can't you just lean over to your guy next year
on rinche he ain't cant borrow your gun from it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Sure, just when you have your backup and you drop the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Back up, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
You just have a talk about your throatdown gun Lordie.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Well listen, you guys, have a wonderful week. I hope
the trick or treaders were kind to you, good to
you so well. We'll do this again next week unless
they figure out how to stop.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Is alrighty, they say
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Buddy, you too, Thanks, We'll catch you next time for
the gun talk after show.
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