October 5, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Lt. Col. Brian Von Herbulis reveals plans for the Marine Scout Sniper Foundation Memorial.
-- Celebrating the Navy's 250 birthday with stories.
-- His grandson suffered a hand injury and can't use his 9mm pistol during rehab. What .22 pistol should he get?
Gun Talk 10.05.25 Hour 3
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-- Lt. Col. Brian Von Herbulis reveals plans for the Marine Scout Sniper Foundation Memorial.
-- Celebrating the Navy's 250 birthday with stories.
-- His grandson suffered a hand injury and can't use his 9mm pistol during rehab. What .22 pistol should he get?
Gun Talk 10.05.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
All right, Tom Greschy, if you want to join us,
just give me a call. It's pretty easy. Tom Talkgun
is the number. I can't remember any other way. Just Tom.
That's me Tom, and we talked guns. Tom talk Gun.
Give you a call. We could talk, you know, if
you got a new gun. You want to know something
about You want to tell me about your purchase. You
want to tell me how it all happened. That's great.
We're just swapping stories. We're basically sitting around the digital
(00:35):
campfire here and having a good old time. All right, Uh,
we're to talk about something that was frankly not aware
of and only recently found out about. Joining me right
now is retired Lieutenant Colonel Brian Vaughn Herbless. And I
hope Brian, I hope I got that right on your
(00:56):
last name, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, sure did, Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
A good deal? All right? So retired US Marine Corps
lieutenant colonel, and you were special Operations officer reconnaissance. And
I gather that you actually went through the training for
Marine Scout Sniper.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, that's right. I had the unique privilege of attending
Marine Corps Scout Sniper course back in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So we're talking about the Marine Scout Sniper Heritage Foundation.
What is that and what's it about.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, the Marine Scout Sniper Heritage Foundation is a five
oh one c three nonprofit whose mission is to simply
remember the sacrifice and honor the legacy of those that
served as Marine Corps Scout snipers and that that expands,
you know about one hundred year history and legacy of
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those that contributed to various efforts of the Marine Corps
from World War One spanning through the most recent Global
War on Terror operations.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So, I mean a lot of people know I know
about snipers, but what's the scout part of scout sniper.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The scouting part was to gather information at the infantry
battalion level that could be used and synthesized into intelligence
information and spread across the battlefield to friendly troops. So
it was a dual purpose mission. They were scouts collecting
info and then they had the additional mission of precision
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rifle fire. The scout or the sniping portion of it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
As I understand that the snipers, scout snipers often provide
a type of overwatch basically to protect the rest of
the unit.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Is that correct, That's exactly right. Oftentimes marine scout snipers
were used in that exact fashion in overwatch positions, providing
support security to dismounted or mechanize as infantry troops or
other marines operating on the battle space.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And of course that world has changed significantly in terms
of abilities. I mean, it's not that they weren't always
good shots and had the best equipment, but they're simply
better now and have better equipment these days.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, you know, technologies come a long way. The Marine
Corps and the military in general has updated their abilities
to collect and provide information on the battle space. And
so we see through a lot of these force modernization
efforts in the Marine Corps, the most recent Force design
(03:38):
twenty thirty has really taken some drastic measures to do
away with some legacy programs and update some things in
order to prepare for the future battlefield.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Would it be fair to say that when it comes
to marine snipers, the best known is probably Carlos Cock.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'd say that the pretty fair assessment. Carlos pretty much
a legend in the Marine Corps scout sniping community and
in the Marine Corps in general.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
All right, So tell me about the memorial that you're
working on, because I know you're wanting to raise funds
for a Scout sniper war memorial, which is I'm looking
online now at Scout Sniper Heritage dot org and that's
a cool design. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So that design is to be of a World War
One era scout sniper and a modern day scout sniper,
so again demonstrating the legacy of over one hundred years
of Marine Corps of Marine Corps scout sniping. So it's
blending these two eras and symbolizing their contributions throughout history,
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throughout Marine Corps history.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Is that we secure so some land there near the
National Museum of the Marine Corps, and I have this
bronze statue erected there in memoriam of those who have
those Marine Scout snipers who have fallen in combat.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, And obviously the goal at this point is to
raise money for it, whether small donations are big donations,
is what's the best way for somebody to help.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
The best way is. You can go straight to that
website you mentioned, Scout Sniper Heritage dot org. Right up
in the top right corner, there's a donate button. There
is a link directly to the page about the memorial
itself where people can see the design in detail and
read more about the memorial. Read more about the foundation.
(05:50):
We also currently have a raffle going on that people
can see on the website and a Marine Corpse scout sniper.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah. I mean this is awesome. I'm looking at this
thing right now. This is incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That is the final in the series, the M forty
series of weapons that Marine scout snipers used over decades.
So that's an M forty, a six sniper rifle with
a lot of accessories, a schmidten venderscope. So that was
the last one that was being utilized and produced by
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the Marine Corps before it's shut down. It's a scout
sniping program in the infantry battalions.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, And you go to Scout Sniper Heritage dot Org.
You'll there and click on support us and you can
find the raffle as way of other things going on there. Carl,
I appreciate your time and I appreciate what you're doing
and this is a very worthwhile effort.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, thank you very much, Tom. I'm a fan of
the show and I appreciate you for having me on today.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Absolutely, thank you for your service, sir. All right, all right,
we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm still spending my time looking at that Scout Marine
sniper rifle. Holy cow, that thing is gorgeous. Talk about
a raffle that'd be worthwhile to get involved with. That's
you got to go take a look at that. Let
me get that website up again. It is Scoutsniper Heritage
dot org and they're raffling off Marine Corps M four
(10:01):
forty a six sniper rifle with kit, the hall, the stuff,
everything with it. So you got to take a look
at that. All right, let's go to the phone. Here
James is called in out of Arizona with a great
story here, James, welcome to the show. I want to
hear this.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Hey Tom, good to be good to call you again.
Talk to you again. Got an international range report for you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
So I've got a good friend out here that's moved
here from France about forty years ago. But his sister,
brother in law and nieces came over recently from they
lived just outside of Paris, and he wanted to ask
me if I had to teach him how to suit. Well,
I'd love to, oh, of course. So I very little
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English spoke. In fact, the brother in law didn't speak
any English at all. So I typed out the four Rules,
Jeff Cooper's four Rules, and translated it and printed that
out because they had it in French. They did, and
they were all kind of apprehensive first, and you know,
I talked him through it and said, we're just going
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to have fun. We're going to do it one at
a time and have a blast, and oh my gosh,
they did. Now there was another cousin who lives here
in the States, my friend's son as an ex marine.
So we started out on an old like a fifties
vintage Colt Wittman Target twenty two target pistol. I loved that,
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and then we moved to a revolver of thirty eight
shooting thirty eighths. He the ex marine, of course, had
been had been trained on M nine brettas in the M.
Seventeen and eighteen figs. He'd never sought a revolver. He
loved it, so yeah, he ate that up. And the
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girls were they spoke some English that they were having
a blast. That that international language of laughter and smile. Yep,
that was obvious. And the brother, my friend's brother in law,
that spoke no English. All he did was just grin
and smile. Though it was awesome they we shot. I
(12:09):
showed him that one hundred and thirty year old Winchester.
I sent you the video on a couple of weeks back,
and I didn't have any amo to shoot that unfortunately.
But they got to shoot three two or three of
my other lever guns cowboy guns they called them. So
they got to shoot those they got. They got to
shoot them a shotgun and M fifteen or AR fifteen
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is the only thing we didn't shoot.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So oh, what a great time.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Though they wanted to shoot all the old Vinda stuff, revolvers,
lever actions, things like that. That's what they wanted to shoot.
And they burned up their phone taking videos and pictures
to take back to France.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I bet, I bet we'll awesome. Good for you on
your international relations day out there.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
It was great, so I just wanted to share that
with you in the audience there.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That is terrific. Thanks James, I appreciate that. That is wonderful.
All right, let's go talk to Joe out of Eerie, Kansas. Hey, Joe.
Speaker 10 (13:12):
Oh, yes, I wanted to remind everybody today is the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Navy.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It is, isn't it. Yes? Huh, Well, just along those
lines I just had having ready for you, buddy. Thank you.
(13:40):
So I think your your dad was a Navy vet.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
Yes, dad was a World War Two vet, and I
what the pictures of him. He actually did his basic
training near you in Idaho. I don't know if you
know of an old base out there or not.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I don't a Navy base in Idaho. I believe it.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
Are not in Idaho. There was a Navy base.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It could have been up in North Idaho around Cordeline Lake, Ponderay.
They did actually did some submarine training and things up there.
Interesting one. So what did he do?
Speaker 10 (14:20):
He was on the ship that he witnessed the Emperor
signing the treaty.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, on the USS Missouri.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
It's a lot to be proud of. Yep, he witnessed it.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Wow, that's a piece of history.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
They burnt his birthday cake on that very day.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's a great story. I bet they passed that down
to the family.
Speaker 10 (14:47):
Oh, I'm sure, yes they do. Yes, we're proud of him.
We got a picture of him and his forty one
forard with his sailor Soodan.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That is terrific. Well, I'm glad you called in because
I had heard that that was the case. I wanted
to track that down. I thought, well, I'm not sure,
so I'm glad you verified that. But I did have
the have anchors away ready for you.
Speaker 10 (15:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
All right, thanks, j oh I'm sorry we've already back
up there. You said you still have what I still.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
Have the picture of the graduating picture. It is number
one fifty two whatever that's stood for.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh all we darned. I don't know, but that is great. Well,
thank you, sir. I appreciate the call. Yeah, good stuff.
These memories. One of the things I sometimes I'm concerned about.
We talk about these pictures we have with all our
digital pictures. How are we going to share those? We
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don't have photo albums. I mean, people say, yeah, well,
but where they're digital? You got them forever? Yeah you do,
but where are they can you find them? And do
your kids having grandkids and how do you share them?
And I, look, I get it, I'm I'm older, but
I still think there's value at having printed photographs that
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you can pass around and show. But it's different. I
was having a conversation with some people about gun magazines,
not the kind that go inside your gun, but the
kind you read, and they saying, man, this is the
latest issues are really thin. I said, oh yeah, My
background is in magazines. I've been a magazine writer and
(16:27):
editor and my dad was as well, So I go
back a long long time with magazines. And what you
need to understand is that there's a ratio between advertising
pages and editorial pages, and roughly fifty to fifty. Sometimes
it's sixty forty. But if you have a reduction in
ad pages, then you have to cut back on the
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editorial pages. You can't afford to print and mail the
magazine because you have more pages in there and just
cost more money. Wellw is down in magazines. Why is
the ad revenue down? Well, two or three reasons. One
is that the readership is down. People simply don't read
magazines like they used to. I mean, do you subscribe
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to the number of magazines you used to probably not.
Another is that the people who buy advertising, the media buyers,
are not buying advertising in magazines for two reasons that
I can think of. One is that because the readership
is down, and the others that Imagine a twenty seven
year old media buyer at an ad agency who probably
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has never subscribed to a magazine in her life. Everything
is digital for her, and she's deciding where the ads
go for all these companies, so she's not placing ads
in magazines. So advertising is down, readership is down, the
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page count is down, like be half. I look at
the American Riflemen. When I get it, it's like, wow,
it's sixty four pages. It used to be twice that
or three times that. Sixty four pages plus cover we
called it. It's kind of sad in a way because
in the old days, you know, we had to outer life,
field and stream sports and field we called them the
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Big three. And then on the gun side we had
American riflemen and guns and AMMO, and that's where we
got all our information. Now it comes digitally. Is it
better that way? I don't know. It's easier to get
is it more believable. That's a good question. Can you
actually trust what you're getting? There's nobody vetting it. Certainly,
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when I read some of this stuff, I realized there's
no editor because I look at that and go, oh wow,
that's terrible writing, or the grammar's bad, or this person
really needed an editor. But that's look, that's the writer
and editor in me. It just drives me crazy sometimes.
But at the same time, we get a lot of
information and you look at YouTube. Holy cow, it is
(18:58):
this incredible glut of information we get, and we're part
of that. I mean, the gun Talk universe. We have
television studios, we have multiple full time video editors and
camera operators and classrooms and shooting ranges, and we're producing
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videos like crazy, and there's just lots of content there.
Where it used to be you'd wait a month to
get a magazine, now you have this flow of content
that is in a way it's overwhelming. I mean, you
can't consume it all. You just can't. And so we
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kind of depend upon the algorithms to deliver to us
what we're interested in. The more we click on things,
the more it learns about us and gives us more
things like what we clicked on before. You really need
to be careful or selective and sometimes even adventurous about
(20:04):
looking for new things out there. It's like, okay, well,
like right now, I just picked up a new ELK call,
this particular one. I don't know how to use it.
It's a different style, but I know where to go
because I guarantee you I can go to YouTube and
do a search for that particular brand of ELK call
and there will be people there who are showing me
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how to use it. I did the same thing for
my moose call, kind of a megaphone, and I went
online and looking up how to call a moose, and
this guy had a moose call and he sold it
and went, okay, I'll just buy one of those. The
funniest part was when it came in. Got a note
with it says, hey, Tom, glad that you got a
permit for a tag for a moose. I listened to
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gun talk up here in Alaska, so oh that was cool.
So yes, we did use it and it worked very
well with the moose are and rut. Fair to say,
they're not the smartest quitters out there, not that moose
actually ever looked smart, but a bull moose and rut
is just not that smart. He's just looking for a sweetheart.
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And so the calling does in fact work well. As
I told Ryan when he's growing up, remember what happens
to big buck deer in the rut when they're stupid
and looking for love. Well, that happens to teenage boys too.
So just keep that in mind when you're running around
out there, because we all get stupid some certain times.
A little life lesson for you, maybe you can use
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that metaphor sometime somewhere along the way. It's a wonderful
thing to be able to get out and help with
your buddies and be that with your friends. I'm going
to be doing a little bit more of that. I
do love. I love experience, and I love tinkering with
all the gear and all that. I really like the
meat I like to cook venison. I like the taste
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of it. Of course, part of that is you got
to take care of it when it's on the ground.
You clean it quickly and keep it clean and all
the rest of it. But man, I don't know about you.
Do you like medicine? Are there any particular types if
you like better than others? Would love to know that.
I do love from one walk you for DOUN last year.
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All right, we are back and still talking about guns.
I'm Tom Gresham and you can follow me over on x.
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We're there. Let's go grab Rick online one out of Vinton, Louisiana. Hey, Rick,
(22:44):
thanks for your pacing it. So glad you made it
onto gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Coo, Tom, how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I am great? How can we help you?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Tom My grandson was recently injured at work. He's a
police officer. It's gonna require some real bud attiation on
his shooting hand and arm, and his carry gun is
a Glock forty five nine millimeter, and I would like
to find him a rim fire weapon of a similar
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size and style that he can use during rehabilitation. He's
not going to be able to start off with any
type of recall when he gets to that point, so
I would like your recommendation on a couple of models
that I might look at to get him for that purpose.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
All Right, I got three options for you, but one
of them is the obvious one, which is, since he's
issued a glock. The glock does have a twenty two
rim fire version. It's the G forty four, Okay, So
I mean that would be the obvious one. And then
I would say a Ruger SR twenty two or the
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Smith M and P twenty two, any of those would
work real well, they're going to work pretty much the
same as as glock. But honestly, I you know, i'd
probably be looking at a G forty four glock because
it's going to feel the similar to, if not identical
to his carry gun.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That sounds great. I appreciate the recommendation.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well, good deal. I hope he recovers and the rehabilitation
goes well.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Well, I appreciate the good talk.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
All Right, you take care. I s grabbed John out
of Lincoln, Kansas on four. Hey, John, you're on gunn talk.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
Hey, I got a story navy story for you, Okay.
My uncle was in World War Two. He was a
ship's accountant, paid made payroll. Is that I don't know
if that's a purse or not. He his ship was
in the South Pacific and got torpedoed, thank and while
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it was sinking, he took all the money out of
the safe, put it in the waterproof bag, tied a
life preserver onto the bag and one on him, and
they jumped over. Oh. He floated out there for two days, survived.
The sharks finally got picked up along with the other survivors.
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And I don't know how many they were. There was
quite a few, but sharks got some. So they took
them to an island there and let them off. I
guess there was a little base there or something. They
set up camp and he made payroll every pay day.
Speaker 12 (25:38):
In cash ye.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
Until they were all picked up.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
He took care of everybody. I mean basically that was
his duty did he was supposed to do.
Speaker 11 (25:49):
That's right. Everybody had fun. They couldn't spend it, but
they had a lot of fun gambling the money at
cards and so they gambled a lot. And I don't
know the name of the ship, but his is His
name was N. L. Smith, and I'm sure there's a
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lot of Smith's in there. But his nickname that he
went by was Ike Ike Ike Smith, Ike Smith. Yeah,
and if anybody, if that rings a bell to anybody,
if they'd let you know her, call Screener's got the number.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Right, we'll get it back to you. Okay, Yeah, all right,
thank you sir, thank you. All right. We appreciate that. Yeah,
for sure. There are stories. They're amazing stories, aren't they. Uh.
My wife's dad was in the merchant Marine, and not
the Navy, but to the merchant Marine. And somehow they
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got the eyes, somebody got the idea that he was
the doctor there he wasn't, and they got under attack.
One of the guys came and stood next to him
with a big knife and said, all right, you're going
to stay with me. It is because if I get hurt,
you're going to work on me. And my wife's dance,
says little as he know. He says, I didn't know
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the first thing about first date. Just these funny stories
you get from there, but I mean, there they are.
It's just uh and yeah, Michelle makes a good point.
She says, you know that story that John told is
obviously very meaningful and moving to him. We got we've
got to preserve those stories. And it used to be
(27:38):
a guy had to go write those stories down. You
don't have to do that anymore. Those family stories you
can record on your phone, not just audio. Set it
up to shoot video of you telling the stories about
the family members that your kids and grandkids don't know.
They need to know these stories. This is the way
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that we can preserve these in digital form. Frankly, once
you start telling the stories, you're going to think of
other stories. You're going to think of the things you did.
I think about this recently. I thought, you know, think
about the way I grew up. I wonder how many
kids have jumped off a bridge. We jumped off bridges
(28:24):
all the time, you know. I mean, how many people
have turned over a boat on purpose? We used to
do that all the time. We take a aluminum John boat,
flip it over and get under it, and get on
top of it, get in the air pockets under it
and swim around and do I mean crazy stuff. I mean,
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of course, I grew up on a lake, and we
had boats tied up behind the house there. My dad
once wrote an article. I remember how it started off.
He says, you know, he says, we live on a lake.
He says. I started to say, we're lucky to live
on a lake, says, But that's not how it happened.
They made the sacrifices and made the plans and saved
(29:07):
the money to buy a lot on a piece of water,
couldn't afford to build on it for a while, and
then when they built on it, they couldn't afford flooring,
so we had concrete floors and couldn't afford to finish
out the house. But they made the point they wanted
to be on the water, and that's where they raised us.
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And we learned to be independent because let me tell you,
when you take a boat out and you're a kid,
because I'm oh, by probably eight, I was allowed to
take a boat out by myself. You know, if you
sheare a pen you run out of gas, you got
to figure out how to get home. You got to
flag somebody down. It's one of the reasons we always
waved at each other when we were on the water,
because you never know when your engine was going to
(29:54):
break down or the other guys was you're gonna have
to get my toe back in. But yeah, jump it
off for bridges, flipping boats over, Oh my gosh, shooting
nutrie at night with bow and arrow out of the
boat doing just goofy stuff, the crazy stuff we used
to do. I mean, those are the kind of stories
you gotta record. You gotta make sure you document them,
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you know them, and maybe you take it for grant,
you think it's not a big deal. It is. Save
them for your family.
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Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah. I think about that idea of recording stories also,
not just you tell them the stories. If your parents
are around, or you got grandparents around, get them to
tell stories, record them, get them why you can How
many times have you heard people say, boy, I wish
i'd recorded those story? Is that granddad used to tell
(33:01):
or Grandmam those different times, and whether they were in
the fifties or the forties or the eighties or whatever,
it's a different time. I mean, it's I think about
how kids grow up now. It's like they don't know
a time when they didn't have cell phones. They don't
(33:22):
know a time when they had they used accorded phone,
certainly not a payphone. The things that we take for
granted that are not a big deal actually become kind
of interesting from a historical standpoint, or at least a
family standpoint. So you know, go ahead and make that effort.
(33:44):
It's yeah, it's a little bit of a pain, but
it's not much of a pain. These days. It's pretty
easy to do along those lines. If you've got a
gun that you want to give to somebody, fold that
idea into this. If you're going to give it to
some member of your family, tell the stories, record the stories,
(34:07):
the hunt you went on, the shoot you did, where
you got the gun, the various times that other people
shot at, how you got it. I mean, just on
and on and on. It's like, now that gun's not
just a Winchester or a Roomington or a Mosburg or
a savage. It's it's a part of the family, and
(34:27):
the stories make it special. Not just a theme now,
it's a carrier, it's a vessel for the stories. Just
some thoughts for you there, Let's go talk to John
in Hot Springs Village, Arkansas. Hello John, and welcome to
gun Talk.
Speaker 12 (34:45):
Well, thank you, sir. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I am well.
Speaker 12 (34:48):
What you got here wonderful. I have a question for
you and probably many listeners. I am booking to buy
a kind of a uh uh shooting range, kind of
fun gun nine meliminer.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
And I was looking.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
I have so many friends telling me you go with
one of them, and there's so many variations because the
trigger is accurate, and this is accurate, and that I
need I need to blame myself rather than a gun
for missing the target. This will make you honest.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
And yeah, look look look they all shoot better than
we do.
Speaker 12 (35:40):
Well, so I was suck. I was done that. They're
they're they're affordable. And then I see this pisas p
X nine two point zero.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Right now, what now what do I do? Well? You
know what I'm gonna tell you, don't you you do?
Don't you know what I'm gonna say I can't.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
I can't go that way, my wife, you can?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You can? You know? What? One got a month is
all we ask. It's a separate request here, just one
got a month?
Speaker 12 (36:12):
Man, have you shot either of these?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I have?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I have not shot the canic. I have shot several
of the tea sauce.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Honestly, it's alwayst a toss up. Let me ask you
a question. Do you have a gun store there that
stocks those so you can go feel them and put
your hands on.
Speaker 12 (36:32):
Well, I'm not certain. I don't know I have. I
have not gone out in shop yet. I have bast Pro,
I have a sports warehouse, and I have uh several
other private shops, so I haven't looked yet.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think the deciding factor, because they're both good, the
deciding factor is going to be two things. One is
out as the feel, and I think we don't give
enough credibility or importance to how it looks because you're
going to look at it and go I really like
(37:07):
that one, and that was okay, But man, I really
like that other one. That's enough. That's just good to
reason as any Honestly, if you every time you pick
it up, you go man, I like that gun. That's
the reason enough, what you know, so that.
Speaker 12 (37:24):
You brought up a good point there, because the the
the can to me looks more business like my father
was a retired police officer and so on, and it
was all business. And my when I look at the
chisus I don't like the blue trigger, okay, makes it
(37:45):
look almost like this is not serious.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
This is toy ish, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That is sound. People are going to say, that's just silly. No,
it's not. That's the thing you like or you don't like.
In this case, that's that's enough to differentiate between the two.
I think you just figured it out yourself. Blue trigger.
Don't like it, not going to get it, you know,
because here's what would happen every time you picked it
(38:11):
up here and I go, I hate that trigger. I
really don't like that trigger. I wish I hadn't gotten
this gun. Take it off the list, you know, just
scratch it off, Go get the other one and maybe
look at some others. But I think you have at
least eliminated that one. Not that it's not good, it's
just for you and what you like the looks of
(38:32):
that one's off the list. We just figured it out.
Look at that. Look what we just did. Good job.
It is the most interesting thing, this process we go through,
and you go, I like this one because of this,
I like that one. Or sometimes it's I don't know
why I don't like that one, but I don't and
I don't really know why I like this one so much,
(38:52):
but I do. I have guns like that. I pick
them up and go, man, I just love the feel
of this gun. It may not even be the best
shooting gun, but I like it. As we head out
of this session, this time together here just thinking about
(39:15):
my hunt and freight train, the moose. I got all
this moose meat. It's gonna be great. We're gonna be
able to tell the stories again and again as we
enjoy our meals. And everybody gets moose meat this year
because there's a lot there. When I lived in Alaska,
people would say, did you get your meat yet? And
what they meant was did you get your moose yet?
(39:36):
Because that was enough meat to get you through the
winter for your family. And there's a lot of moose there.
There's a lot there, as you I mentioned earlier. Yeah,
I like venison, I like deer and elk and moose
is very mild. It's almost beef like. Generally, deer and
(39:57):
elk have a little bit more bust taste. I don't
get a gamy taste. But then again, I start dressing
them out immediately, as soon as they hit the ground.
I'm getting the height off and taking care of them.
I treat the meat the way you would if you
bought a roast. You wouldn't You wouldn't go buy a
big old roast and throw it in the back of
your pickup truck and drive around town for seven hours
(40:18):
in the heat and expect it to be the good.
That's especially true with pronghorn antelope. They've got a lot
of insulation. You often hunt them early in the season
when it's warm. If people shoot one and put in
the back of the truck and drive around with it
all day long and then they say, well these things
are no good, well, yeah, guess what. You let it
go bad, get the skin off of it, get a
cool down quickly. Pronghorn meat is sweet. There's one that
(40:44):
most people haven't had, and it's pretty difficult to get,
but it is fabulous. And that's wild sheep, doll sheep,
desert sheep, rocky mountain sheep. It does not taste like
sheep or mutton at all, or lamb. It's maybe closer
to venison, but very mild and a bit sweet, and
(41:05):
it's really tasty. Yeah. The key, and you know, probably
the key to cooking venison is to not dry it out,
use some kind of method that keeps the moisture in there.
And the other part of it is is to under
cook it. When it looks like it's about somewhere between
rare and medium rare, is trying to pull it because
(41:27):
it'll keep cooking a little bit and you do not
want it to dry out. You don't want it to overcook.
Just some thoughts for you. There a lot of great recipes. Again,
Holy Cow YouTube is such a great resource. Just put
in their cooking venisone or cooking moose or elk or
whatever it is, and there's lots of information there. The
other thing I would offer is that some people these
days are saying they're going to the all copper bullets
(41:50):
because they're trying to not have lead in their animal.
I don't know if that's a big deal or not
a big deal, but it is a conversation that people
are having. So just got a food for thought. You
might do a little research on that one as well,
if you want to talk about this in more detail,
if you'd like to be a part of this conversation,
we're going to pick it up when we get to
the after show in just a couple of minutes. If
(42:11):
you want to call right now, give me a call
at eight six six or eight six six talk gun
or Tom talk gun. That'll get you in here. So
this was the week of freight train the Moose. Pretty
good rack, not huge, but massive body and great friends.
Shout out again to my friends Mike and Andrey and
(42:34):
Brad and Monique who helped me out at every phase
of this and especially cutting it up and packing it out.
I mean, they did all the work on that one.
There's hardly any room for me to reach in and
do a thing other than saying, you know, hold this
hoof and hold it out of the way while we're
cutting this thing up. They're very experienced at that. It
helps to have good friends. So for me, the Honey
(42:57):
experience now is very much about going out with ends
and having that experience. We camp out, we cook out,
we have a great time. We had Jambalayah one night. Yeah,
I provided that one oh had leftover. Jambalaya works really
great in a breakfast burrito the next morning with scrambled eggs,
just saying, there you go. I have a great time.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
All right, Tom Greschy, if you want to join us,
just give me a call. It's pretty easy. Tom Talkgun
is the number. I can't remember any other way. Just Tom.
That's me Tom, and we talked guns. Tom talk Gun.
Give you a call. We could talk, you know, if
you got a new gun. You want to know something
about You want to tell me about your purchase. You
want to tell me how it all happened. That's great.
We're just swapping stories. We're basically sitting around the digital
(00:35):
campfire here and having a good old time. All right, Uh,
we're to talk about something that was frankly not aware
of and only recently found out about. Joining me right
now is retired Lieutenant Colonel Brian Vaughn Herbless. And I
hope Brian, I hope I got that right on your
(00:56):
last name, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, sure did, Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
A good deal? All right? So retired US Marine Corps
lieutenant colonel, and you were special Operations officer reconnaissance. And
I gather that you actually went through the training for
Marine Scout Sniper.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, that's right. I had the unique privilege of attending
Marine Corps Scout Sniper course back in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So we're talking about the Marine Scout Sniper Heritage Foundation.
What is that and what's it about.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, the Marine Scout Sniper Heritage Foundation is a five
oh one c three nonprofit whose mission is to simply
remember the sacrifice and honor the legacy of those that
served as Marine Corps Scout snipers and that that expands,
you know about one hundred year history and legacy of
(01:52):
those that contributed to various efforts of the Marine Corps
from World War One spanning through the most recent Global
War on Terror operations.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So, I mean a lot of people know I know
about snipers, but what's the scout part of scout sniper.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The scouting part was to gather information at the infantry
battalion level that could be used and synthesized into intelligence
information and spread across the battlefield to friendly troops. So
it was a dual purpose mission. They were scouts collecting
info and then they had the additional mission of precision
(02:32):
rifle fire. The scout or the sniping portion of it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
As I understand that the snipers, scout snipers often provide
a type of overwatch basically to protect the rest of
the unit.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Is that correct, That's exactly right. Oftentimes marine scout snipers
were used in that exact fashion in overwatch positions, providing
support security to dismounted or mechanize as infantry troops or
other marines operating on the battle space.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And of course that world has changed significantly in terms
of abilities. I mean, it's not that they weren't always
good shots and had the best equipment, but they're simply
better now and have better equipment these days.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well, you know, technologies come a long way. The Marine
Corps and the military in general has updated their abilities
to collect and provide information on the battle space. And
so we see through a lot of these force modernization
efforts in the Marine Corps, the most recent Force design
(03:38):
twenty thirty has really taken some drastic measures to do
away with some legacy programs and update some things in
order to prepare for the future battlefield.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Would it be fair to say that when it comes
to marine snipers, the best known is probably Carlos Cock.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'd say that the pretty fair assessment. Carlos pretty much
a legend in the Marine Corps scout sniping community and
in the Marine Corps in general.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
All right, So tell me about the memorial that you're
working on, because I know you're wanting to raise funds
for a Scout sniper war memorial, which is I'm looking
online now at Scout Sniper Heritage dot org and that's
a cool design. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So that design is to be of a World War
One era scout sniper and a modern day scout sniper,
so again demonstrating the legacy of over one hundred years
of Marine Corps of Marine Corps scout sniping. So it's
blending these two eras and symbolizing their contributions throughout history,
(04:55):
throughout Marine Corps history.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Is that we secure so some land there near the
National Museum of the Marine Corps, and I have this
bronze statue erected there in memoriam of those who have
those Marine Scout snipers who have fallen in combat.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, And obviously the goal at this point is to
raise money for it, whether small donations are big donations,
is what's the best way for somebody to help.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
The best way is. You can go straight to that
website you mentioned, Scout Sniper Heritage dot org. Right up
in the top right corner, there's a donate button. There
is a link directly to the page about the memorial
itself where people can see the design in detail and
read more about the memorial. Read more about the foundation.
(05:50):
We also currently have a raffle going on that people
can see on the website and a Marine Corpse scout sniper.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah. I mean this is awesome. I'm looking at this
thing right now. This is incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That is the final in the series, the M forty
series of weapons that Marine scout snipers used over decades.
So that's an M forty, a six sniper rifle with
a lot of accessories, a schmidten venderscope. So that was
the last one that was being utilized and produced by
(06:27):
the Marine Corps before it's shut down. It's a scout
sniping program in the infantry battalions.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, And you go to Scout Sniper Heritage dot Org.
You'll there and click on support us and you can
find the raffle as way of other things going on there. Carl,
I appreciate your time and I appreciate what you're doing
and this is a very worthwhile effort.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, thank you very much, Tom. I'm a fan of
the show and I appreciate you for having me on today.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Absolutely, thank you for your service, sir. All right, all right,
we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm still spending my time looking at that Scout Marine
sniper rifle. Holy cow, that thing is gorgeous. Talk about
a raffle that'd be worthwhile to get involved with. That's
you got to go take a look at that. Let
me get that website up again. It is Scoutsniper Heritage
dot org and they're raffling off Marine Corps M four
(10:01):
forty a six sniper rifle with kit, the hall, the stuff,
everything with it. So you got to take a look
at that. All right, let's go to the phone. Here
James is called in out of Arizona with a great
story here, James, welcome to the show. I want to
hear this.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Hey Tom, good to be good to call you again.
Talk to you again. Got an international range report for you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
So I've got a good friend out here that's moved
here from France about forty years ago. But his sister,
brother in law and nieces came over recently from they
lived just outside of Paris, and he wanted to ask
me if I had to teach him how to suit. Well,
I'd love to, oh, of course. So I very little
(10:43):
English spoke. In fact, the brother in law didn't speak
any English at all. So I typed out the four Rules,
Jeff Cooper's four Rules, and translated it and printed that
out because they had it in French. They did, and
they were all kind of apprehensive first, and you know,
I talked him through it and said, we're just going
(11:04):
to have fun. We're going to do it one at
a time and have a blast, and oh my gosh,
they did. Now there was another cousin who lives here
in the States, my friend's son as an ex marine.
So we started out on an old like a fifties
vintage Colt Wittman Target twenty two target pistol. I loved that,
(11:27):
and then we moved to a revolver of thirty eight
shooting thirty eighths. He the ex marine, of course, had
been had been trained on M nine brettas in the M.
Seventeen and eighteen figs. He'd never sought a revolver. He
loved it, so yeah, he ate that up. And the
(11:48):
girls were they spoke some English that they were having
a blast. That that international language of laughter and smile. Yep,
that was obvious. And the brother, my friend's brother in law,
that spoke no English. All he did was just grin
and smile. Though it was awesome they we shot. I
(12:09):
showed him that one hundred and thirty year old Winchester.
I sent you the video on a couple of weeks back,
and I didn't have any amo to shoot that unfortunately.
But they got to shoot three two or three of
my other lever guns cowboy guns they called them. So
they got to shoot those they got. They got to
shoot them a shotgun and M fifteen or AR fifteen
(12:35):
is the only thing we didn't shoot.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So oh, what a great time.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Though they wanted to shoot all the old Vinda stuff, revolvers,
lever actions, things like that. That's what they wanted to shoot.
And they burned up their phone taking videos and pictures
to take back to France.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I bet, I bet we'll awesome. Good for you on
your international relations day out there.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
It was great, so I just wanted to share that
with you in the audience there.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
That is terrific. Thanks James, I appreciate that. That is wonderful.
All right, let's go talk to Joe out of Eerie, Kansas. Hey, Joe.
Speaker 10 (13:12):
Oh, yes, I wanted to remind everybody today is the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Navy.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It is, isn't it. Yes? Huh, Well, just along those
lines I just had having ready for you, buddy. Thank you.
(13:40):
So I think your your dad was a Navy vet.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
Yes, dad was a World War Two vet, and I
what the pictures of him. He actually did his basic
training near you in Idaho. I don't know if you
know of an old base out there or not.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I don't a Navy base in Idaho. I believe it.
Speaker 10 (14:00):
Are not in Idaho. There was a Navy base.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It could have been up in North Idaho around Cordeline Lake, Ponderay.
They did actually did some submarine training and things up there.
Interesting one. So what did he do?
Speaker 10 (14:20):
He was on the ship that he witnessed the Emperor
signing the treaty.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, on the USS Missouri.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
It's a lot to be proud of. Yep, he witnessed it.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Wow, that's a piece of history.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
They burnt his birthday cake on that very day.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's a great story. I bet they passed that down
to the family.
Speaker 10 (14:47):
Oh, I'm sure, yes they do. Yes, we're proud of him.
We got a picture of him and his forty one
forard with his sailor Soodan.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
That is terrific. Well, I'm glad you called in because
I had heard that that was the case. I wanted
to track that down. I thought, well, I'm not sure,
so I'm glad you verified that. But I did have
the have anchors away ready for you.
Speaker 10 (15:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
All right, thanks, j oh I'm sorry we've already back
up there. You said you still have what I still.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
Have the picture of the graduating picture. It is number
one fifty two whatever that's stood for.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh all we darned. I don't know, but that is great. Well,
thank you, sir. I appreciate the call. Yeah, good stuff.
These memories. One of the things I sometimes I'm concerned about.
We talk about these pictures we have with all our
digital pictures. How are we going to share those? We
(15:42):
don't have photo albums. I mean, people say, yeah, well,
but where they're digital? You got them forever? Yeah you do,
but where are they can you find them? And do
your kids having grandkids and how do you share them?
And I, look, I get it, I'm I'm older, but
I still think there's value at having printed photographs that
(16:05):
you can pass around and show. But it's different. I
was having a conversation with some people about gun magazines,
not the kind that go inside your gun, but the
kind you read, and they saying, man, this is the
latest issues are really thin. I said, oh yeah, My
background is in magazines. I've been a magazine writer and
(16:27):
editor and my dad was as well, So I go
back a long long time with magazines. And what you
need to understand is that there's a ratio between advertising
pages and editorial pages, and roughly fifty to fifty. Sometimes
it's sixty forty. But if you have a reduction in
ad pages, then you have to cut back on the
(16:50):
editorial pages. You can't afford to print and mail the
magazine because you have more pages in there and just
cost more money. Wellw is down in magazines. Why is
the ad revenue down? Well, two or three reasons. One
is that the readership is down. People simply don't read
magazines like they used to. I mean, do you subscribe
(17:11):
to the number of magazines you used to probably not.
Another is that the people who buy advertising, the media buyers,
are not buying advertising in magazines for two reasons that
I can think of. One is that because the readership
is down, and the others that Imagine a twenty seven
year old media buyer at an ad agency who probably
(17:32):
has never subscribed to a magazine in her life. Everything
is digital for her, and she's deciding where the ads
go for all these companies, so she's not placing ads
in magazines. So advertising is down, readership is down, the
(17:52):
page count is down, like be half. I look at
the American Riflemen. When I get it, it's like, wow,
it's sixty four pages. It used to be twice that
or three times that. Sixty four pages plus cover we
called it. It's kind of sad in a way because
in the old days, you know, we had to outer life,
field and stream sports and field we called them the
(18:13):
Big three. And then on the gun side we had
American riflemen and guns and AMMO, and that's where we
got all our information. Now it comes digitally. Is it
better that way? I don't know. It's easier to get
is it more believable. That's a good question. Can you
actually trust what you're getting? There's nobody vetting it. Certainly,
(18:35):
when I read some of this stuff, I realized there's
no editor because I look at that and go, oh wow,
that's terrible writing, or the grammar's bad, or this person
really needed an editor. But that's look, that's the writer
and editor in me. It just drives me crazy sometimes.
But at the same time, we get a lot of
information and you look at YouTube. Holy cow, it is
(18:58):
this incredible glut of information we get, and we're part
of that. I mean, the gun Talk universe. We have
television studios, we have multiple full time video editors and
camera operators and classrooms and shooting ranges, and we're producing
(19:19):
videos like crazy, and there's just lots of content there.
Where it used to be you'd wait a month to
get a magazine, now you have this flow of content
that is in a way it's overwhelming. I mean, you
can't consume it all. You just can't. And so we
(19:41):
kind of depend upon the algorithms to deliver to us
what we're interested in. The more we click on things,
the more it learns about us and gives us more
things like what we clicked on before. You really need
to be careful or selective and sometimes even adventurous about
(20:04):
looking for new things out there. It's like, okay, well,
like right now, I just picked up a new ELK call,
this particular one. I don't know how to use it.
It's a different style, but I know where to go
because I guarantee you I can go to YouTube and
do a search for that particular brand of ELK call
and there will be people there who are showing me
(20:27):
how to use it. I did the same thing for
my moose call, kind of a megaphone, and I went
online and looking up how to call a moose, and
this guy had a moose call and he sold it
and went, okay, I'll just buy one of those. The
funniest part was when it came in. Got a note
with it says, hey, Tom, glad that you got a
permit for a tag for a moose. I listened to
(20:49):
gun talk up here in Alaska, so oh that was cool.
So yes, we did use it and it worked very
well with the moose are and rut. Fair to say,
they're not the smartest quitters out there, not that moose
actually ever looked smart, but a bull moose and rut
is just not that smart. He's just looking for a sweetheart.
(21:09):
And so the calling does in fact work well. As
I told Ryan when he's growing up, remember what happens
to big buck deer in the rut when they're stupid
and looking for love. Well, that happens to teenage boys too.
So just keep that in mind when you're running around
out there, because we all get stupid some certain times.
A little life lesson for you, maybe you can use
(21:31):
that metaphor sometime somewhere along the way. It's a wonderful
thing to be able to get out and help with
your buddies and be that with your friends. I'm going
to be doing a little bit more of that. I
do love. I love experience, and I love tinkering with
all the gear and all that. I really like the
meat I like to cook venison. I like the taste
(21:54):
of it. Of course, part of that is you got
to take care of it when it's on the ground.
You clean it quickly and keep it clean and all
the rest of it. But man, I don't know about you.
Do you like medicine? Are there any particular types if
you like better than others? Would love to know that.
I do love from one walk you for DOUN last year.
(22:20):
All right, we are back and still talking about guns.
I'm Tom Gresham and you can follow me over on x.
I am at gun Talk over there, and of course
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find streaming stuff. We're there. We'll just look for gun Talk.
We're there. Let's go grab Rick online one out of Vinton, Louisiana. Hey, Rick,
(22:44):
thanks for your pacing it. So glad you made it
onto gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Coo, Tom, how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I am great? How can we help you?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Tom My grandson was recently injured at work. He's a
police officer. It's gonna require some real bud attiation on
his shooting hand and arm, and his carry gun is
a Glock forty five nine millimeter, and I would like
to find him a rim fire weapon of a similar
(23:14):
size and style that he can use during rehabilitation. He's
not going to be able to start off with any
type of recall when he gets to that point, so
I would like your recommendation on a couple of models
that I might look at to get him for that purpose.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
All Right, I got three options for you, but one
of them is the obvious one, which is, since he's
issued a glock. The glock does have a twenty two
rim fire version. It's the G forty four, Okay, So
I mean that would be the obvious one. And then
I would say a Ruger SR twenty two or the
(23:53):
Smith M and P twenty two, any of those would
work real well, they're going to work pretty much the
same as as glock. But honestly, I you know, i'd
probably be looking at a G forty four glock because
it's going to feel the similar to, if not identical
to his carry gun.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
That sounds great. I appreciate the recommendation.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well, good deal. I hope he recovers and the rehabilitation
goes well.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Well, I appreciate the good talk.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
All Right, you take care. I s grabbed John out
of Lincoln, Kansas on four. Hey, John, you're on gunn talk.
Speaker 11 (24:30):
Hey, I got a story navy story for you, Okay.
My uncle was in World War Two. He was a
ship's accountant, paid made payroll. Is that I don't know
if that's a purse or not. He his ship was
in the South Pacific and got torpedoed, thank and while
(24:53):
it was sinking, he took all the money out of
the safe, put it in the waterproof bag, tied a
life preserver onto the bag and one on him, and
they jumped over. Oh. He floated out there for two days, survived.
The sharks finally got picked up along with the other survivors.
(25:19):
And I don't know how many they were. There was
quite a few, but sharks got some. So they took
them to an island there and let them off. I
guess there was a little base there or something. They
set up camp and he made payroll every pay day.
Speaker 12 (25:38):
In cash ye.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
Until they were all picked up.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
He took care of everybody. I mean basically that was
his duty did he was supposed to do.
Speaker 11 (25:49):
That's right. Everybody had fun. They couldn't spend it, but
they had a lot of fun gambling the money at
cards and so they gambled a lot. And I don't
know the name of the ship, but his is His
name was N. L. Smith, and I'm sure there's a
(26:10):
lot of Smith's in there. But his nickname that he
went by was Ike Ike Ike Smith, Ike Smith. Yeah,
and if anybody, if that rings a bell to anybody,
if they'd let you know her, call Screener's got the number.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Right, we'll get it back to you. Okay, Yeah, all right,
thank you sir, thank you. All right. We appreciate that. Yeah,
for sure. There are stories. They're amazing stories, aren't they. Uh.
My wife's dad was in the merchant Marine, and not
the Navy, but to the merchant Marine. And somehow they
(26:55):
got the eyes, somebody got the idea that he was
the doctor there he wasn't, and they got under attack.
One of the guys came and stood next to him
with a big knife and said, all right, you're going
to stay with me. It is because if I get hurt,
you're going to work on me. And my wife's dance,
says little as he know. He says, I didn't know
(27:15):
the first thing about first date. Just these funny stories
you get from there, but I mean, there they are.
It's just uh and yeah, Michelle makes a good point.
She says, you know that story that John told is
obviously very meaningful and moving to him. We got we've
got to preserve those stories. And it used to be
(27:38):
a guy had to go write those stories down. You
don't have to do that anymore. Those family stories you
can record on your phone, not just audio. Set it
up to shoot video of you telling the stories about
the family members that your kids and grandkids don't know.
They need to know these stories. This is the way
(28:00):
that we can preserve these in digital form. Frankly, once
you start telling the stories, you're going to think of
other stories. You're going to think of the things you did.
I think about this recently. I thought, you know, think
about the way I grew up. I wonder how many
kids have jumped off a bridge. We jumped off bridges
(28:24):
all the time, you know. I mean, how many people
have turned over a boat on purpose? We used to
do that all the time. We take a aluminum John boat,
flip it over and get under it, and get on
top of it, get in the air pockets under it
and swim around and do I mean crazy stuff. I mean,
(28:46):
of course, I grew up on a lake, and we
had boats tied up behind the house there. My dad
once wrote an article. I remember how it started off.
He says, you know, he says, we live on a lake.
He says. I started to say, we're lucky to live
on a lake, says, But that's not how it happened.
They made the sacrifices and made the plans and saved
(29:07):
the money to buy a lot on a piece of water,
couldn't afford to build on it for a while, and
then when they built on it, they couldn't afford flooring,
so we had concrete floors and couldn't afford to finish
out the house. But they made the point they wanted
to be on the water, and that's where they raised us.
(29:32):
And we learned to be independent because let me tell you,
when you take a boat out and you're a kid,
because I'm oh, by probably eight, I was allowed to
take a boat out by myself. You know, if you
sheare a pen you run out of gas, you got
to figure out how to get home. You got to
flag somebody down. It's one of the reasons we always
waved at each other when we were on the water,
because you never know when your engine was going to
(29:54):
break down or the other guys was you're gonna have
to get my toe back in. But yeah, jump it
off for bridges, flipping boats over, Oh my gosh, shooting
nutrie at night with bow and arrow out of the
boat doing just goofy stuff, the crazy stuff we used
to do. I mean, those are the kind of stories
you gotta record. You gotta make sure you document them,
(30:16):
you know them, and maybe you take it for grant,
you think it's not a big deal. It is. Save
them for your family.
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Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah. I think about that idea of recording stories also,
not just you tell them the stories. If your parents
are around, or you got grandparents around, get them to
tell stories, record them, get them why you can How
many times have you heard people say, boy, I wish
i'd recorded those story? Is that granddad used to tell
(33:01):
or Grandmam those different times, and whether they were in
the fifties or the forties or the eighties or whatever,
it's a different time. I mean, it's I think about
how kids grow up now. It's like they don't know
a time when they didn't have cell phones. They don't
(33:22):
know a time when they had they used accorded phone,
certainly not a payphone. The things that we take for
granted that are not a big deal actually become kind
of interesting from a historical standpoint, or at least a
family standpoint. So you know, go ahead and make that effort.
(33:44):
It's yeah, it's a little bit of a pain, but
it's not much of a pain. These days. It's pretty
easy to do along those lines. If you've got a
gun that you want to give to somebody, fold that
idea into this. If you're going to give it to
some member of your family, tell the stories, record the stories,
(34:07):
the hunt you went on, the shoot you did, where
you got the gun, the various times that other people
shot at, how you got it. I mean, just on
and on and on. It's like, now that gun's not
just a Winchester or a Roomington or a Mosburg or
a savage. It's it's a part of the family, and
(34:27):
the stories make it special. Not just a theme now,
it's a carrier, it's a vessel for the stories. Just
some thoughts for you there, Let's go talk to John
in Hot Springs Village, Arkansas. Hello John, and welcome to
gun Talk.
Speaker 12 (34:45):
Well, thank you, sir. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I am well.
Speaker 12 (34:48):
What you got here wonderful. I have a question for
you and probably many listeners. I am booking to buy
a kind of a uh uh shooting range, kind of
fun gun nine meliminer.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
And I was looking.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
I have so many friends telling me you go with
one of them, and there's so many variations because the
trigger is accurate, and this is accurate, and that I
need I need to blame myself rather than a gun
for missing the target. This will make you honest.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
And yeah, look look look they all shoot better than
we do.
Speaker 12 (35:40):
Well, so I was suck. I was done that. They're
they're they're affordable. And then I see this pisas p
X nine two point zero.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Right now, what now what do I do? Well? You
know what I'm gonna tell you, don't you you do?
Don't you know what I'm gonna say I can't.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
I can't go that way, my wife, you can?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You can? You know? What? One got a month is
all we ask. It's a separate request here, just one
got a month?
Speaker 12 (36:12):
Man, have you shot either of these?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I have?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I have not shot the canic. I have shot several
of the tea sauce.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Honestly, it's alwayst a toss up. Let me ask you
a question. Do you have a gun store there that
stocks those so you can go feel them and put
your hands on.
Speaker 12 (36:32):
Well, I'm not certain. I don't know I have. I
have not gone out in shop yet. I have bast Pro,
I have a sports warehouse, and I have uh several
other private shops, so I haven't looked yet.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think the deciding factor, because they're both good, the
deciding factor is going to be two things. One is
out as the feel, and I think we don't give
enough credibility or importance to how it looks because you're
going to look at it and go I really like
(37:07):
that one, and that was okay, But man, I really
like that other one. That's enough. That's just good to
reason as any Honestly, if you every time you pick
it up, you go man, I like that gun. That's
the reason enough, what you know, so that.
Speaker 12 (37:24):
You brought up a good point there, because the the
the can to me looks more business like my father
was a retired police officer and so on, and it
was all business. And my when I look at the
chisus I don't like the blue trigger, okay, makes it
(37:45):
look almost like this is not serious.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
This is toy ish, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That is sound. People are going to say, that's just silly. No,
it's not. That's the thing you like or you don't like.
In this case, that's that's enough to differentiate between the two.
I think you just figured it out yourself. Blue trigger.
Don't like it, not going to get it, you know,
because here's what would happen every time you picked it
(38:11):
up here and I go, I hate that trigger. I
really don't like that trigger. I wish I hadn't gotten
this gun. Take it off the list, you know, just
scratch it off, Go get the other one and maybe
look at some others. But I think you have at
least eliminated that one. Not that it's not good, it's
just for you and what you like the looks of
(38:32):
that one's off the list. We just figured it out.
Look at that. Look what we just did. Good job.
It is the most interesting thing, this process we go through,
and you go, I like this one because of this,
I like that one. Or sometimes it's I don't know
why I don't like that one, but I don't and
I don't really know why I like this one so much,
(38:52):
but I do. I have guns like that. I pick
them up and go, man, I just love the feel
of this gun. It may not even be the best
shooting gun, but I like it. As we head out
of this session, this time together here just thinking about
(39:15):
my hunt and freight train, the moose. I got all
this moose meat. It's gonna be great. We're gonna be
able to tell the stories again and again as we
enjoy our meals. And everybody gets moose meat this year
because there's a lot there. When I lived in Alaska,
people would say, did you get your meat yet? And
what they meant was did you get your moose yet?
(39:36):
Because that was enough meat to get you through the
winter for your family. And there's a lot of moose there.
There's a lot there, as you I mentioned earlier. Yeah,
I like venison, I like deer and elk and moose
is very mild. It's almost beef like. Generally, deer and
(39:57):
elk have a little bit more bust taste. I don't
get a gamy taste. But then again, I start dressing
them out immediately, as soon as they hit the ground.
I'm getting the height off and taking care of them.
I treat the meat the way you would if you
bought a roast. You wouldn't You wouldn't go buy a
big old roast and throw it in the back of
your pickup truck and drive around town for seven hours
(40:18):
in the heat and expect it to be the good.
That's especially true with pronghorn antelope. They've got a lot
of insulation. You often hunt them early in the season
when it's warm. If people shoot one and put in
the back of the truck and drive around with it
all day long and then they say, well these things
are no good, well, yeah, guess what. You let it
go bad, get the skin off of it, get a
cool down quickly. Pronghorn meat is sweet. There's one that
(40:44):
most people haven't had, and it's pretty difficult to get,
but it is fabulous. And that's wild sheep, doll sheep,
desert sheep, rocky mountain sheep. It does not taste like
sheep or mutton at all, or lamb. It's maybe closer
to venison, but very mild and a bit sweet, and
(41:05):
it's really tasty. Yeah. The key, and you know, probably
the key to cooking venison is to not dry it out,
use some kind of method that keeps the moisture in there.
And the other part of it is is to under
cook it. When it looks like it's about somewhere between
rare and medium rare, is trying to pull it because
(41:27):
it'll keep cooking a little bit and you do not
want it to dry out. You don't want it to overcook.
Just some thoughts for you. There a lot of great recipes. Again,
Holy Cow YouTube is such a great resource. Just put
in their cooking venisone or cooking moose or elk or
whatever it is, and there's lots of information there. The
other thing I would offer is that some people these
days are saying they're going to the all copper bullets
(41:50):
because they're trying to not have lead in their animal.
I don't know if that's a big deal or not
a big deal, but it is a conversation that people
are having. So just got a food for thought. You
might do a little research on that one as well,
if you want to talk about this in more detail,
if you'd like to be a part of this conversation,
we're going to pick it up when we get to
the after show in just a couple of minutes. If
(42:11):
you want to call right now, give me a call
at eight six six or eight six six talk gun
or Tom talk gun. That'll get you in here. So
this was the week of freight train the Moose. Pretty
good rack, not huge, but massive body and great friends.
Shout out again to my friends Mike and Andrey and
(42:34):
Brad and Monique who helped me out at every phase
of this and especially cutting it up and packing it out.
I mean, they did all the work on that one.
There's hardly any room for me to reach in and
do a thing other than saying, you know, hold this
hoof and hold it out of the way while we're
cutting this thing up. They're very experienced at that. It
helps to have good friends. So for me, the Honey
(42:57):
experience now is very much about going out with ends
and having that experience. We camp out, we cook out,
we have a great time. We had Jambalayah one night. Yeah,
I provided that one oh had leftover. Jambalaya works really
great in a breakfast burrito the next morning with scrambled eggs,
just saying, there you go. I have a great time.
(43:19):
Go do a little shooting. Maybe buy a new gun.
Why not. The prices are low now, They're never going
to be better. Buy Amma, always be buying Ammo. In
the meantime, record those stories for your family. Get them
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