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Speaker 3 (00:17):
So you've made it through or three hours of the
regular show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little
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So that's why you found.
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The Gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved all
the best things that.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We can't say on regular radio. Now, if here's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
After Show, we're so eager to start the after show
to find out what we're going to see.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
What are we going to say?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We have no idea, Well we could talk about No.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Anybody who thinks we plan this is just crazy, no
no clue whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh we'll make it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, that's right as always right. People say, what sounds
like those guys really don't know what they're talking about. Well,
guess what when.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I said, my mom would never say such a thing,
not loud?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Oh lord, so you wanted to talk about moo and
moose meat.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, so one, if you're wanting to get rid of
it because you have more than a pound a day
that you need to dispose.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Of, I and Brett will take some off your hands.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
But Brett like up the ante because he said that
he would pay for dry ice and the freight. And
oh my, yeah, so you have a buyer of Now
who is Brett? Brett was a collar out of Oklahoma,
that collar earlier at the radio show to he.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Called in to get first in line on the moose
meat delivery.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, he prefers that to venison even Hey, no, it's.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Honestly, moose meat is much better than venison.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You know, in my travels, I've gone out of my
way to be able to find a moose.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, and you know Ohio moose there's not there.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You're telling me, Well, no, there's none in Ohio. But
each one we've traveled west, and I traveled north and
into Maine and just evidently not in the right spot,
like Tim Gresham puts himself in.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, there you go. Well, let me just tell you
once we shot it, well, no, I tell you. We
were a two hour drive from camp and then set
up camp that night and I was making heading up
the jambalai in the pouring rain. That was a lot
of fun. And the next morning we're breaking down camp.
And once we left camp with our tents and everything
(02:43):
packed up. We were two hours before we got to
pavement and another hour before we got to cell phone service. Wow,
so we are in the boonies, say the least.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, that's the way Hunt's supposed to be though.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, first out, we're talking five mile an hour road.
It is, I mean it is one lane, dirt, barely
creeping along with rocks and sticks, and you know, it's like, okay,
we're way back in here. Now that's where it's supposed.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
To be dry wet area.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Where well it was drying until the rain and then
it was wet. Well, we're up in the mountains there.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, probably fourth I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Not high, it's four thousand feet elevations still, okay, so yeah,
but yeah, this moves hit the ground up two hundred
yards from the road. But fortunately it was right in
the middle of the trail, pretty good, decent little walking trail,
and got it cut up and we would spread out
garbage bags and tarps. So when you cut a piece
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of meat off, you pick it up, you put it
down on the tarps that never touched the ground and
keep it clean and then get it back put it
in game bags. You know, we always have game bags
and drop things into and and then we took some
big ice chest. I mean by big, I'm talking one
hundred and fifty gallon ice chest. And then we didn't
(04:10):
have enough, so the next morning we had to go
to the Walmart. We finally got our three hour drive
into town and by yet another one hundred and fifty
gallon ice chest, and we didn't can't find dry ice
for some reason, so we had everything cool down and
(04:31):
I bought about one hundred and twenty pounds of ice.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Oh gosh, I.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Know, well we've got three massive ice chests. I mean, okay,
you'll love this. This is a typical hunting story. So
we drive down with the in the park lot of
the Walmart and these hindquarters are so big we can't
close the lid.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I've waited behind people like that line two times.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, yep, yep, there you go. So we're out in
the parking lot and the hindquarters are too big, so
we get out the bone saw who were in the
parking lot cutting the lips off my Oh yeah, I
took pictures and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yes, yeah, that's for sure part of your story.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And the thing is great is it's Idaho. Nobody even blinks.
They just walking by. Yeah, this guy's cutting up a moose.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You know, it might have been easier to ask the
store if you could have bought the ice machine outside
rather than buying all the coolers.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Just buy the ice, see always always thinking yeah yeah,
and a trailer to put it on, and a generator
to run it. I'm liking this idea. And a water
source to feed it.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Tough stuff stuff.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Oh good, it's more stuff to buy. At least it's
complicated because I always liked that part. I tried simple
and it was.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Boring, right, Oh man, that's that's a lot it is.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
And then we get it to bring it to Oh,
the meat cutter we brought it to. I was his
first customer. He just opened up.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I was there of his career or.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The new business here. Now he has cut meat before,
He's done a lot of that. He's also a chef,
so he's a really accomplished chef and an accomplished meat
cutter at a local grocery store.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And the place looked really because we weren't sure. You know,
it's one of those deals. Oh we're the first person in.
I wonder how this is going to be the place
was clean and neat and smelled right, and okay, he
knows what he's doing, and so it worked out. I mean,
he says, well, hey, do you want to cut? Do
you want to use pork fat or beef fat in hamburger?
(06:47):
Good question? Generally with game, I like to go with
pork fat. But we did a little test yesterday. Mike
made up a burger used in beef fat and it
was so good I actually said the guy notes that
changed my order from pork fat to be fat. On
an elk or deer, I'll use the pork, but on
this it was just fabulous. So we're gonna use to
(07:10):
be fat.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
How cool to be a little scientist, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah? Play with all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, oh, I feel like you have like the wag
you of the we do we have?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
You know, freight train. I like the fact that we shot.
And I'm over the name.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, whether you gave it to him or.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Not, good old freight train.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Did he say hello, my name is he had?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
He actually had a name tag?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Did Bill Winkles show up at the services for it?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And there was the squirrel there? I didn't know what
he was about.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
The sky trying to pull something of his hat exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Thank you, you beat me to it. Okay, it was good.
So it'll be a couple of weeks before we get
the meat, which is fine because next week I'll do
the show live next week, and then the following week
I'll be in Elk camp.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
We'll all be there with you with all the gear.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, stuff, So we have to fly in and then
put everything on horses and mules and pack train in
and then they leave us there. And then from that
point forward, each morning you put the stuff in your
backpack and you go up the mountain and you hunt,
and if you shoot something, you get call your buddies
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and say, hey, everybody, come over here, help me out.
We're gonna cut this thing up and get it out
of here.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So it sounds to me like perhaps you need another
freezer to store some some meat in, whether moose or
either one. I mean, I've never had moose, I've had Elk.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's very good. So you know, yeah, we're.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
We're definitely having the freezer conversation. And that I mean,
I went over looked. I have two freezers, full size uprights,
and the problem is that we have stuff in them.
So I figured out I can consolidate to one. I
think I'm not sure. I think I can get a
whole moose into one freezer, but I'm not certain about that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And then when you go back to the doctor the
next time, he's going to be like Tom, for some reason,
your cholesterol is really high. Have you been eating all
red meats?
Speaker 5 (09:24):
And look at your beef fat numbers. That's right, you
got to bounce that out of some pork.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Well no, no, no, When you have that much red meat,
you have to balance that out with red wine.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Red wine.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I have a couple of fish here and there.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Oh that's right. I have a fish stick missus Paul's
or fish sticks. Right.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I used to fish off the pier at the Idaho
Navy base, didn't you.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I learned today.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, well, listen this lake Lake Ponderre. It is like
sixteen hundred feet deep. Oh, it's incredible. And they actually
don submarine testing and things there. Yeah, it's way up.
I mean, we're it's like a nine iron shot from
the Canadian border. It's just right there. So anyway, but
(10:14):
that's what's going on, and we're now, should we get
an elk and or a deer. Then Freezer will revisit
the freezer conversation because it's like, Okay, there's nowhere else.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
To put this stuff, right, and then what are you
going to do next year? You can go hunting all
over again, or just.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
That you have full.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
It's like, okay, don't you dare go to the meat
counter in the grocery store for the next year, right.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Move to Utah, Dakota. You can get another moose tag there.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
That's right, We'll go. I can, yeah, because I'm actually
I can apply for a cow tag cow moose tag
in Idaho. Okay, there's one bull per lifetime, right, but
something tells me I probably should not get another moose
right away. Probably not a good plan. Yeah, No, I
need to be hunting like doves or quail or something that,
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you know, little bitty things.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
So our takeaway is the importance of trash bags, game bags,
sharp knives, and coolers with ice.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yes. And speaking of knives, they my posse, my team,
they now all use the Havelan knife brand knife Havelin
because it has replaceable blades and so when it gets dull,
you pop off the blade and put on another razor.
Sharp blade and none of the selly sharpening stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Oh but that's what are you going to do around
the campfire?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Are they sharpenle though? No, you're just toss them you do, okay, I.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Mean you could, but it's like why would you. They're
inexpensive and you buy them like twenty in a pack
or something.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh cool, Yeah, exactly blades or something.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I was going to say, it's not a box cutter
type of thing, is it not?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Exactly? I mean it's kind of like replaceable blades, but
I mean they're longer. You're parking four inch blades something
like that. Yeah, So it's it's a cool system. And boy,
when you're cutting up a moose, everything gets dull and
hurry because that hide is thick.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Have a lot, huh, have a lot?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Check that out?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, check that out. Pretty cool. And game bags. I
just ordered some more big game bags because the ones
you buy in the store are kind of flimsy and
like a net. Yeah, and I'm getting regular cloth bags
that you can wash and reuse.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Now you're scheduled to do an AI commercial with freight
Train for Avalon blades.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yes, of course that's right. You know a freight train
and they cut me up using have alot exactly. Is
that a bad taste? No, it tastes great as long
as beat. That's right.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's like a wag you beef. You're in the right
area for all of that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You know, Washington, they have some of the best beef ever,
and it is pretty tasty.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Politics are great, Well, maybe not so much. They we
keep saying we're going to take the eastern parts of
Washington and Oregon and make them part of Idaho. Yeah,
because those folks feel like they're more Idaho than where
they are. Because between Seattle and Portland, if you live
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in the eastern part of the state, it's like you
feel like you're in a different country.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yep, yep, or at least make it east and the
west thing.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Gosh, yes, that they do have their problems.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, and then some although I think maybe Trump's going
to straighten some of that out. Hight. Let me introduce
you to the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, but they've got a hold on that now, I
heard you.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, that'll be temporary.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
They'll go to court and get that undone. Yeah, it's
it's it's just theater right now.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's crazy what's funny that they keep the same stuff
up over them.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Oh no, we don't need you, we don't need you.
But they come here. It's obvious they're needed. They come,
they take care of business and things are safe. They
never said, ah, you know, we call that one wrong
or thank you. They'll never they'll never do.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You've never heard anything on the flip side of them
going out to California, right, nothing, not a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, TDS is real, it is, and it's real entertaining.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Actually it is real entertaining too. It is all of that.
But just choose your news sources carefully because you're getting
indoctrinated no matter which side you're listening to.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Right, But Dave'snews dot Com said that's right.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
I like Dave's News.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
All right, let's take it right here. I know Michelle,
that's something she wanted to talk about when we come back.
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Speaker 4 (15:19):
She'll talking about moose here we are. Can't get over
the moves?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Can gosh envious?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Oh lordy, Yeah, there's a there's a lot to love,
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
To hear them moving through the woods and see it,
and oddly enough they can disappear.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Well that's the weird part. It's like, Okay, you got
this massive thing and when he stops moving, he just disappears.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, where to go?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
All right? So what was it that was on your mind?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So we had a follow up phone call to a
gentleman named Tom out of North Dakota who had called
us in the year and was having some problems with
some pistol shooting, and we recommended to him doing some
hand exercises, so getting those little spring loaded little vice
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squeezers or using a racketball or tennis ball or something,
and so he was like, yeah, okay, and he didn't
do anything about it. And then he was talking to
somebody near where he lives that is a personal trainer,
and they too recommended the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So he's like, okay, sure.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
To a personal trainer, right right.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
So he called in to say, hey, you guys were
right on point, because they make a couple different poundage
of the little spring vice scripts and he bought light
pair and then he has worked himself up to a
nine pound pair. And the person that he spoke to
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that was the personal trainer, said, if you can hold
that for thirty seconds, or work yourself up to being
able to hold that nine pounds for thirty seconds, you'll
be golden with whatever you need. And so for the
last month he's been working on that and he's he's
a believer. He's like, it works, imagine that it works.
But he was also thinking that perhaps that was something
(17:22):
that our caller whose grandson was injured in the line
of duty, could potentially do as well, maybe starting out
with the you know, the ball or something like that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Well, they have him doing that with rehab now.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
And I'm sure he's in for more than one surgery.
But yeah, gosh, So.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Let's take this idea and go entrepreneurial with it. Let's
have a pistol and the grip on it has the
little springy things for your fingers, so you can get
your workout while you're.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Shooting each and each digit is a different caliber. O.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What Yeah, it starts out up top you work you
with them?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh my?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Or think about this. Each digit pulls a trigger so
that you can roll your hand like from the bottom
to the top.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So next time this comes up on a crime scene,
they're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like, give it's serial number one. What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It's the old grip gun. Okay, got it?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Because you know we already have those things that you
have to squeeze the safety on.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
You know that so true that we might as well
shake it up a little more.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
So here's a question. Do you like pistols that have
a grip safety on the back, like a nineteen eleven
and some others? Yeah? I know you because if you
don't get a proper grip on it, we'll go off.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
If it doesn't fit your hand like a glove, as
they say, it's nice.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, I don't find them functional.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Wasn't the whole idea of that for safe handling around
allies and stuff?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean not not.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Just you know what their idea was non't evidently to
keep you from shooting your horse in the back of
the head really. Yes, the original nineteen eleven with the
grip safety, I am told was about cavalry and so
that you make sure you get a good grip on it.
(19:18):
I don't know how that would work or how it
prevents you from shooting your horse, you know, may regardless. Yeah,
maybe it was the horse lobby. I don't know. I said,
you know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Something, yeah, because you could be fumbling around with it
even more than you Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I'm not sure that that would help. And maybe it's
a completely bogus story. And those are my favorite kinds.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Sure, well we pass it on now.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It was right, shut mine down to hell.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
You know, it's like the Internet was in black and white.
It's out there on the airwaves.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's right, can't get down back. Yeah there, there he is.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
So it was let's say it was thirty eight on
the deck this morning, and they're talking about us getting
a little bit of snow this coming weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, Glacier is a winter wonder land right now, is it?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Yeah, pictures lots of snow and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Huh yeah, yeah nice. So I have a friend that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Was in Esther's Park, Colorado and bull Elk like crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they got the I mean the
bull elk there are walking through the middle of town.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Golf courses town. Oh yeah, they own it all.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And people are stupid and they get too close to them,
and a bull elk in rut will gore you, will
run right through you.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, they're a little big, and they're a.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Little big and powerful and.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Faster than you are, so and hormonally charged.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Ye, yep, that's right. You know, they're they're looking for
a sweetheart, and anything's not a sweetheart they want to go.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I wonder how many have got taken while finding that
sweetheart engaging with that sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I mean there's a shot.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's happened.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm sorry as a gentleman.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah. It kind of reminds me that the guy who's
in the hunting camp, he's talking to the Indian guide
and he says, well, you don't talk about the rut,
And he said, well do because they're wondering. Sometimes people say,
you know, they stop eating during the rut. He says, well,
does an elk go off its feed during the rut?
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And guy said, well, hold in the front. It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It's terrible. That's bro code. You can't you can't take him.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
No, we went from light a cigarette.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Well done, least a whole bunch of other jokes you
can't do.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know when you can't tell it
even on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
That's right, you know, the duel kept smoking jackets. Of course,
how does that work? Oh god, smoking elk? Now, okay,
we'll never get over that one.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Okay, we'll expect the full report.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Mister, we're all.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Thinking about the same joke. We're not going to say it,
I know. Okay, never mind.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
ELK dating sites, that's right.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh lordy, So from here trying to think, don't hurt yourself. Yeah,
I know, I have all rifles figured out for this year.
By the way, Oh this is you know, this is
the year when the two seventy turns one hundred years old.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeap, because it was no longer effective courages.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Nineteen twenty five. Yeah, it's all worn out. Now. I
got an idea next year, I may go completely retro
and go thirty out six. Yes, just because you know
they have a reason to do. You know. I like
the idea of these theme hunts where it's like, okay,
everybody brings a thirty out six on this hunt. Yeah,
you know that kind of a thing. You know, we
(23:17):
could have one that where everybody brings an eight millimeter,
but it would only be Tom Hennicks exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, for now, you're starting to become a miuser geek.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Well, Mauser actions, not eight millimeter Mauser cartridge.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Well but you got him action to put a cartridge in,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Well yeah, yeah, Look, there's nothing wrong with the eight.
I do have a seven millimeter mouser. Actually I've got
two of them, I think of it.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
So you have a fourteen mileser really.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
That's right, and both of them are single shots. So
got a Rugan number one and the Coda number ten,
which is honestly one of the sweetest rifles I've ever seen. Yeah,
I don't know if you've ever seen it. A Coda
number ten, Michelle. Imagine a Ruggan number one.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And they got shrunk, oh okay, and it's.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Kind of dainty and trim and you know, not beefy
and super strong the way I number one is.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Just still have the Molinker stock.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
No, it's not a full length manlike her, no, okay,
So it's just it's just really nice't one of those.
I've just kind of looked at it and fell in
love with it, and all of a sudden a guy
had a used one and some fifty seven, which is
the same as some millimeter mauser uh, and just went, yeah,
I need that, Like, I'll buy it.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Okay, it's mine, so you can't get AMMO.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
That's right, that's right. Oh, it's really going to be
a problem to get AMMO and load for it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's mine, perfect, This is time question on it.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know, it's kind of crazy because I thought with COVID,
you know, the disappearance of some of these rounds of
ammunition that we need would come back.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But doesn't seem to be the case. And I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Believe, like, where why is there suddenly no brass available
when it was something that you had made religiously until
that time point.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I wonder if it wasn't a case of when they
stopped to make it that the being counters looked at
it and said, okay, does that actually make any financial
sense to start making this again?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, but you know a lot of those sweet ones
to eighteen B and seventeen remuted like all of that
was hard to find.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Well, and now they could probably start making it and
sell at least three thousand rounds a year, you know,
which would be you know, if they're not doing three
hundred thousand a year, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Well, and I mean, like a lot of things, there's
very specific timeframes that they would produce the ammunition and
then it was be done, right, what would be done?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah, this short run and they do that a good bit.
They do these little short runs. So we did a
serve by over a gun talk on the Facebook page
and said what discontinued gun would you like for them
to bring back? And that was interesting. And you know
the one I thought I would see a lot I did.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Not forty four carving, Yes.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Exactly, the urger forty four carving. I thought for sure
that would be up. Hardly mentioned it at.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
All, truly.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Was it manufacturer specific question there?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
No, it was just general you fill in, you just
tell which one. So we wasn't multiple choice or anything.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And so the answer was it's all over the place.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
It's like we got like two thousand answers. It's like
the bran ten what really? What really good?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, that's not coming back.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, you're the guy. You're the one guy.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Okay, interesting, yeah, in.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Second okay, there's some are there some that are like, okay,
this in this particular all right, good, I get that.
And there are a lot of guns where they have
reduced their offerings and turned different chamberings. Okay, you know
it's just like, okay, you know, you can't get It's
pretty hard to find a seven by fifty seven these days.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, and you were talking about the acclely improved. Unless
you're really a wildcat kind of person, nobody would even
know what that was nowadays.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Right. The only one is the two ad Actali Improoved,
which has actually become a standardized cartridge now. But other
than that, it's absolutely a handloaders deal. And you got
to be goofy geeky like I am.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
For that stuff, not saying anything.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, there it is. You just got on it, baby.
Is this what it is?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I put it out there there it is.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
They never made like an Acte diminished or something where
he takes a cartu it makes it weaker and less performing.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Actually, some would argue that that is exactly what they did. Yeah,
it's like, oh, okay, you have.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
A leave a good thing alone.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
They improved. It was a really good cartridge. Tell you
went and.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Screwed it up.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, you say it's improved.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's right, Not for me. Yeah, they had all of
that work and you have to and you have to
load your own ammo. And you got a big fifty
feet per second faster out of the way to go
to talk about bragging rights.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Now, but back then, yeah, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
It's you know, I honestly think a lot of it
was back then people did not have chronographs.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh yeah, and they didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Know, so they were just believe the stuff. Yeah. Now
the other thing, and this is true, is people start
they say, well this, I can get three hundred four
hundred feet per second more out of it. You can
by increasing the pressure to seventy thousand PSI, which they're doing.
They're just pushing, I mean they're redlining them. And they said, well,
(28:54):
this is as good as a seven mag Yeah, it
is as long as your gun holes together.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Have you seen much report on the backcountry?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Nothing? No, I am hearing zero. How about you?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, not a thing.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And I figured it's more your area then it would
be ours.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean it's eighty thousand PSI on those loads,
and the only thing I'm hearing about them is things
would get from federal promoting it, you know. Now, Ryan
and kJ took a couple of them out last year
and shot ELK with them, but that was a promotional
deal too. I am. I'm having a hard time understanding
(29:39):
the supposed appeal.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Because it's a steelcase, so you're not reloading it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
It's a well they say it's reloadable with certain die
certain things like yeah, really, no, nobody's going to do that.
So okay, so you're going to go another one hundred
and fifty two hundred fet per second faster, But you
can do that with a seven PRC or even if
you don't honestly today, if you won't trying to shoot
(30:06):
long range, just use high BC bullets and dial it
up and don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was just gonna say that the BC bullet is yeah,
much better.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Everybody that wants to do any of that long range
stuff knows to track that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, that's the first thing they do.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Well, you two geeks are going back and forth. Hannig
and I are discussing when puckle gun season is.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For a while.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Puckle gun.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, the gun. You know, there's a blast from the past,
literally talking distant past.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah yeah, seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, Revolutionary War, yeah, all the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Way before m wait before Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So did just hit your head and remember this or what.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Of those who don't know we're talking about a basically
a semi automatic for it was three hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
It was the first automatic weapons the way they build it.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, but you a puckle gun, a puckle gun back,
but these are new fangled. Well the AR fifteen turned
seventy next year. What yes, yeah, wow, the original paton
was fifty six.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Wow. I know, I guess.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm telling you, Hanni, we're never going to find a
holster for this thing.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
There some workers out there.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
We need an ulster for.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
A seventeen eighteen puckle gun. Holsters there you go.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
You want to scabbard, Jim, that's your your business plan
is what we want to talk to you about.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I seriously want a datling gun though.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, you've seen the twenty two desktop ones right, Yes,
there's still a few grand but they're cool, they are,
and they're not a machine gun, so you don't need
a well and another deal I kind of talked my
friend Keith into buying the nine milimeter version.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
It takes clock mags. Oh, it's pretty cool. And you
stick a glock drum magazine on it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
What a good friend. He talked his friend into it.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, that way I get to shoot.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, following your way.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
And Jerry, you should buy a bunch of different kinds
of ammas so when I'm shooting it, I'll know what
performs back.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I'll get back to you on it.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, be fine.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
We should try Federal. We should try Remington.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
We should and don't forget the budget for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And when look, when you're cranking that thing and spraying
them ount it doesn't really matter. It's just just if
it go bang your happiest all that matters that you're
hosing down.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
The area that's going to say. There'd be a big
smile on your phrase regardless, right.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Oh, wouldn't it though?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Not that men.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Not that different than our previous conversation Tom about the
full auto BB gun.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
One that is, to let somebody shoot.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
It's just just silly and fun. We Jim and I
both bought full auto BB guns. It's like, okay, that's
just stupid, But.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
God, how much trouble you would have got in if
we knew each other as kids. Oh lord, year, it
had been in deep.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Dress, it had been Yeah, that's right. Uh, missus Gresham,
it's the police again.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Okay, he should stay away from him.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
See, there are some stories we don't need to record
for our children. Lie, let them have their own experiences.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Well, it's the same thing, you know, when your child
starts sharing stories like I don't remember that, Like, oh yeah,
well it happened.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Well ye, It's like we always say that Ryan would
tell us stories after these statue limitations.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Had run out, and still it might be too soon.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Sometimes past us. You know, I'm your mother. I don't
want to hear that. It's like, no, I don't want
to hear that.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
There to she just lets you off the hook.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
All right. Well, I will be prepping this week for Elcock,
but I'll be with you this coming Sunday, and then
it's off to Elk camp and then off to Deer camp.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Getting all your laundering done.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Oh lord, have I've been running some laundry. Well? Also,
you got to wash the game bags.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, so those are all.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Clean, ready to go. I have a that's not been
repacked yet. So there is this mountain of clothes. It's like, okay,
do I put them back away?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Don't just roll them up and put them in the
duffel bags going to the next gimp.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, I'm sure Pat doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
It's fine, right, it's good things. She's not here to
weigh in on that one. You say, long suffering kind soul.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, they will be cannonized a saint.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Yes, she's also figured out the whole thing. When I'm
doing all this hunting, she says, you do understand that
I'm buying airline tickets and I'm out of here.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah right, there's grand babies, go visit.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
That's right, She's gonna go see grand babies. That's exactly
what she said.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Yeah, he says, you can come back to the house
in the middle of the season. That's fine. I'm not
going to be here, but that's okay. You know what,
because you know what, I can eat.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Moves and check the mail, will you while you're.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
That's right, check the mail? Sorry, everybody, I know if
you get a package it looks like it's refrigerated, you
know where it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
Yeah, right, We couldn't find any dry ice here either,
but y'll hopefully appreciate the gesture.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
That's right. If you freeze it solid, use a deep
freeze and not the freezer above your refrigerator because those
are different, and then give it two inches wrapping of newspaper,
it will stay frozen for about three days.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Really. Yep, well who knew?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
But now where are you going to find a newspaper
these days?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
There's that.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It's like we used to, you know, we used to
testing bullets. We would get last year's phone books. Yeah, great,
find a phone book now.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, I kept mine for nostalgic reasons, but it's just
a small one.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
We used to shoot phone which I learned to wait
till the people were done using and put them back
at the boat.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And my word, it's just much more kind.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Really. It makes the people in the phone booth nervous
when you shoot the phone book.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's like, let them finish their call. Come on,
where you got to be?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
That's right, And with that's that, we're off to hunt.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Time to go, prep on, brother.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
It was actually time to go about fifteen minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
In fact, we should have never signed on the first one.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
We don't take the queue anyways.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I'm sorry, did you say something?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
All right, Wild
Speaker 2 (36:40):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after show.