October 7, 2025 • 42 mins
How do you really prepare for a hunt? As the saying goes: don’t forget your underwear. In this episode of Gun Talk Hunt, host KJ talks with seasoned hunters Mike McNett (DoubleTap Ammo), Matt Johnson (Gun Talk Media), and John McAdams (Big Game Hunting Podcast) about their pre-hunt strategies. From choosing the right rifle/ammo combo and simulating field positions, to packing smart and handling international travel—this is your full checklist for making the most of your season.
Expect stories from Utah to Minnesota, tips for prepping young hunters, field drills to sharpen instincts, and lessons learned the hard way (like missing gear or ammo rules at the border).
This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by Range Ready Studios, Remington Ammunition, Vortex Optics, and Hodgdon Powder.
About Gun Talk Hunt
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Watch Gun Talk Nation on its new YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
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Expect stories from Utah to Minnesota, tips for prepping young hunters, field drills to sharpen instincts, and lessons learned the hard way (like missing gear or ammo rules at the border).
This Gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by Range Ready Studios, Remington Ammunition, Vortex Optics, and Hodgdon Powder.
About Gun Talk Hunt
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Hunt, with Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin, pairs decades of experience with today’s latest tools and technology to help you succeed in the field. Whether it runs or flies - no matter what game you pursue - Gun Talk Hunt is a multi-platform podcast that gives today’s hunters a voice in the digital world.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Watch Gun Talk Nation on its new YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
Copyright ©2025 Freefire Media, LLC
Gun Talk Hunt 10.07.25
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/gun-talk--6185159/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How do you prepare for a hunt? Well, if you're
like me, don't forget your underwear all that. On Gun
Talk Hunt, I'm kJ you found the right place. We
go all over this little blue orb sharing stories and
tactics about chasing wild game.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now let's get on the hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome in all you gun Talk hunters. I'm your host,
and today's show is brought to you by range Ready Studios,
Vortex and Hodgden Powders. And today's show we're going all
the way from Utah to Minnesota. We're all over the country,
and we've got Mike McNett of Double Tap Ammo. We've
(00:44):
got Matt Johnson of Gun Talk Media, and John mccadams
of the Big Game Hunting Podcast. He's back with us.
Now we're talking about prepping for the season and what
does that look like. Now, we've got two guys on
here that travel to Africa quite a bit. They are
international travelers, Mike McNett and John McAdams. And then you
(01:06):
got the state side dwellers that really hunt all over
the country. And uh, well, all of the guys really
they're all hunters. So we're going to jump in first
with Mike McNett and talk with him a little bit
about what his prep looks like before a big hunt. So, Mike,
welcome to the show. What does your prep look like?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Thanks for having me on kJ. You know, it kind
of depends on the hunt. But one thing that's universal
for me that you'll you'll find every time I go hunting,
whether it's deer hunting with my son or whether I'm
going to Zimbabwe, it is, first of all, I have
to get to choose the gun and the and the
(01:53):
ammunition that I want to use, and I want to
side it in and I want to get it set
for exactly how I want to use it at what rate,
don't want to use it, memorize that, get it, get
that down a ballistic skuy. So it's the number one
thing for me, and then I do that early. I'll
do that for you know, a big hunt expense upon,
(02:13):
I'll do that months ahead of time. For a deer hunt,
it may not be quite as long, but right then
and then I practice. I'll practice with that with that combination,
you know, once a week all the way through the
other For uh, there's there's subjects too big for a
quick a quick response. But you know, if we're going international,
(02:37):
then I actually started working about paperwork, flights, things like that.
You're you know, getting your outfit or on board with
getting you on board with the local regulations if you've
never been to some place like Zambie or something like that,
and then you guys start doing that a year ahead
of time. At least that's the way it works really
good for me to not have to have a lot
(02:58):
of snaffoos. You need to make sure that that you're
in decent shape. I know some for some of us
older guys kJ not you quite yet, but some older
guys we we tend to, you know, in the wintertime,
get a little a little stop maybe, and then we
(03:19):
need to make sure we can bust our butt when
it comes time to hit the ground. So you got
to make sure you do that as well, and take
care of your body because you don't want to go
on the hunt, whether it's dogs in Texas or whether
it's you know, somewhere in South Africa. You don't want
to have to waste everyone's time and money and effort
because you're you can't get out of bed the next morning.
(03:40):
So uh, there's there's a there's a lot to it
I don't know how much time you got for me here,
but we we uh, we definitely like to make sure
that the gun is right and make sure that. Now,
if it's a dangerous game hunt, I practice a little
different more, a little differently than if it's a plane's
game or if it's a hog hunter deer hunt. So
(04:03):
a lot of practice that people do, they say it's practice.
They'll get on a bench and they'll shoot. Well, that's
not I hunt. So that's how you're saying, they makes
your guns sided in. But I want I want everybody
to hear that getting a good group off the bench
is fantastic, but it is not how you're going to
(04:26):
shoot when it comes time. So if you're going to
shoot off shooting sticks, you should have shooting sticks at
the range with you. If you're going to shoot improvised, kneeling, standing,
laying down, prone, whatever that is, you want to practice
with those, and you want to have a backup because
you're always going to be able to get prone in
(04:47):
the field. I'm there's going to be something in the way,
and I like to get up on shooting sticks no
matter what, because that's one thing you can almost always
count on being able to use. And then I was
just gonna touch about with with dangerous game. If you
know you're going to be, you know, hunting buff or
you're gonna be hunting hippo or hunting lion or whatever
(05:09):
it is, I like to I like to practice, and
I'm kind of I don't know, maybe maybe I'm in
a different spot than some because I'm way out here
in the middle of nowhere in Utah, and so you
can do what I want. And I don't have to
be on a range in New York City, so it
makes it a little easier for me. But I like
(05:30):
to practice with my gun, and the state is going
to be in in the field, and I like to
practice with it. Let's say, if it's gonna be in
my hands, it's gonna be my hands, so so on
my back, it's gonna be on my back. Yeah, And
I like to This is a it's kind of a
funny little thing, but I started with my kids fifteen
years ago and it really has been really good.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I'll literally have.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
One of them just I'll go up on the on
the side of the hill and put uh little sporting
place so little orange clays put them out of disc
twenty five thirty forty yards sometimes fifty depending on where
I'm walking, and I don't get to see them. I'm
just walking. They're up there where I can see all
(06:14):
of them once I turn around, and I'll walk through
the bush and then have tap me on the shoulder
and say look out. We call it the lookout. It's
fun to do with the kids, by the way, but
it is very effective. And screams look out at me.
And later on when they got older, I told them
to literally screamed my ear. Get the adrenaline up, and
(06:35):
then I go from whatever state of readiness i'm in
to on target shooting three shots and try to get
three clays. And it is a very effective tool for
sharpening you up. No matter how sharp you think you are,
that will that will show you that you need a
little practice if you haven't been doing it already. I
(06:57):
used to do it with gallon jugs when I was
a little kid hanging front the juniper trees. But that
this is much better than that because they're they're smaller, right,
And like I've told you before, when I when I
shut that buff charging on me, that clay was about
the right size for you to hit.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
The dome them. Yeah, man, And.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It practs you to be quick and move and when
their pressure is on.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah. I think.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think as much pressure as you can put on yourself,
the better when you're practicing and just finding creative ways
to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I like the Lookout game that sounds really good.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But so going back, like you talk about getting in
shape and guys not being in shape. My uncle on
this most recent trip to Canada, and I set up
a pair of for him. Have you seen the robotic legs?
Have you seen these things?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Huh? Like?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So, basically it fits around your waist and you have
like two bars coming down basically your femur, and then
it straps right above your kneecap and it's like in
a in assists you like, and so you can turn
it on different powers and like as you're lifting your legs,
it feels that motion and engages a motor and helps
(08:17):
you lift those your legs down. It was the oddest feeling.
I felt like I could probably run like Usain Bolt,
like I like it, Like I felt light as.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
A feather, so like our light. What are you talking about, dud?
What I'm not as light as you?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And that's That's the thing is that I'm like, you
know what, and he got it because you know, he
likes to prepare kind of like what we do.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
He got it for the fall, the like.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Fall kind of almost headed into winter pheasant season and
walking through the tall brush and so you know, he
straps that on his waist and all of a sudden,
now it's it's it's helping him his legs because he's
eighty two years old. Like I think, like, man, a
guy that's not as much in shape. You're in shape,
(09:08):
you can go out and get in good shape. But
guys that that maybe have like you know, knee problems
or knee issues or or an injury came up and
they're preparing for that hunt. That man something like that,
Like that's kind of a game changer, and like they're
pretty sharp.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I don't know, I was.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I was just sitting here thinking and I was like
doing a little research on my computer, and I was like,
am I saying that right? But it's like called like
like it's like an exoskeleton type deal and it's pretty cool.
But but you would have to I feel like you'd
have to get used to that, like just like just
like shooting, getting under pressure and making the shot. Like,
(09:51):
there's not many places out there that will allow you
to do stuff like that, and so I mean coming
up with a game, and especially the one that you
can play with your kids, because that's always important, yep,
is an easy way to do it.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Another another one that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I mean, this my dad did when we were kids,
and it does work, is to, uh to kind of
stimulate the pressure when you're on the sticks or when
you're on a tree branch or whatever you're at, depending
on what type of range you're at, and uh, just
having someone talk to you the whole time and distract
(10:31):
you while you're shot the range. If you were at
a range, they wouldn't have any problem with that because
people talk at the range all the time. But you know,
screaming and grabbing and stuff that's not going to work
at some ranges. But yeah, but the but the but
talking to you and saying, hey, you know, let's you know,
look the beautiful twelve point and blah blah blah bla blah,
and just getting in your getting your in your head
(10:54):
while you're trying to shoot, getting you getting this pump
in a little bit more and getting used to that
or getting used to trying to calm that down. That's
another one that is not necessarily dangerous game, but it's
fantastic for you know, the guys.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean, everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Everybody gets a little bit of buck fever. Come on,
if not, probably shouldn't be up bothering to hunt. I mean,
for me, the biggest thing that I really enjoy being
when I'm out on the when I'm out hunting nowadays,
it's different than when I was, you know, fifteen or
twenty or twenty five years old. Thing is, hey, a
(11:29):
lot of times with my kids, and I want to
see them get excited, even if I'm the one shooting
and I and it's the hunt before it's not. It's
not hey, look at this this animal that I just shot.
It's the whole process that begins with practicing beforehand, and
(11:51):
then it ends, you know, and shakes and pictures after
the after hopefully a.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Decent animal is down.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
But that whole process is something that some people get
lost in the preparation and the and the hunt. When
you're actually out, you know, putting your boots on the
ground is more important. It's more important than actually the shot.
And you want to be prepared for the shot, but
you also need to prepare to be prepared to go
(12:18):
out and enjoy and not look past that when you're hunting,
because a lot of people, I think nowadays, I get
really hung up on the trophy. You get really hung
up on this many in any point all this stuff.
And let me tell you, I have some really cool
trophies and none of them are even close to me
and is as cool as a you know, a four
(12:39):
corner I got with my oldest son.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
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I've got a boy.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Mike almost read the script on where I want to
take this conversation because we're talking about preparing other people,
especially kids, for the hunt.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
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Speaker 1 (15:22):
Matt, we're talking about prepping hunting, and Man, I get
into I get into Canada, and I've spent so much
time prepping my kids for their hunt, like packing, packing
their clothes, like making sure like, hey, do you have everything?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Do you have the list that I gave you? Did
you pack everything?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I get up there and I forgot I forgot the
following all my underwear, and I forgot a belt well,
and two magazines got confiscated at the border.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But that's for another time. So yeah, like you.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Spend so much time prepping other people and getting you know,
your paperwork and everything else lined up. Dude, what is
your process for prepping to take your kids hunting? Because
I know you hunt heavily with your kids. What's that
process look like?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
So my wife will say it's an addiction of rubber totes.
So what I do, and I've had multiple look at me,
and I will look at me a little bit. But
I have everything in totes. So I've got my orange.
So Minnesota year you have to have blaze orange, and
it's a large amount. So it's like I've got one
(16:35):
tote off all the Blaze Orange goes in that tote
and it's got everybody's gear in there. And then I've
got one tote that is all turkey hunting gear, and
then the other tote is all camo for warm weather
to cold weather parchery or whatnot else. So and then
right behind all those totes, it's all the boots. So
from as Mike was talking earlier about, like you know,
(16:56):
he's big on the gun side, I eliminate the equation
of close just by It's like, okay, it's all in there.
Can we come home from camp? It gets washed it
gets put away, it's in there. So like the things
you forgot, it's like that usually is at the bottom
of my list because I know if I'm going and
all of a sudden, inevitibly, I forgot something, it's like,
that's the kind of stuff I know I can swing
(17:17):
into a Walmart or something and just pick up because
it's like, that's not going to ruin it on because
I can quickly pick that up.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's a false statement, because I will tell you this
much like bad underwear and ill fitting underwear can absolutely
ruin a.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Hunt, well that I will. I will stand on that
line like that. That is a false statement for Matt Johnson.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Everybody, all right, all right, all right, that's fair. I
haven't forgotten that, so I'll take it from the guy
who pass. But outside of that, I mean, that's the
closed side of it. The other side is, I mean
all the firearms together. So for me, I'm much like
mic in that save capacity. It's like, I know, like forges.
Last year was the first year that both of my
(18:03):
kids joined me on the firearms season in Minnesota, so
I had an outfit both of them. I went by
myself a lever action because I've been relegated out of
my stands now to the woods floor, so I walk
around all day, which is absolutely a joy now and
I see why my dad did it for so many years.
(18:24):
But to that end of it, it's it was a
whole news. I mean, yeah, I had the firearms set
up in September. We hunt in mid November, so I
had tom all set up, but I don't have access
like Mike does, like many people, and so we went
to the range and I made sure my kids practice
from a trigger time. So since my kids have been ten,
(18:45):
they've been shooting on twenty twos and I've been in
their ear about it's breathe, release, squeeze trigger, don't pull trigger.
It's all of that on a twenty two or a
seventeen HMR where there's no recoil to worry about, right,
And then we always end the session with the gun
they're actually going to shoot in the woods, so they
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know exactly the firearm they're getting into the noise that recoil,
et cetera. And then the week before we go, we
go back to the range and they only shoot their firearms,
so by the time we get up there, they're offset
now I've had a few more years in the woods
than they have, So I mean I shoot a lot
(19:26):
of off end. I'm not a guy who likes to
sit shooting down, but both my kids have killed animals
just sitting in tree stands. But to that end, we're
on public land, hang on stands. We're not in box
lines or not in ladder stands, and so at the
range the kids get used to sitting off hand, sitting
on a chair, but not actually on the bench with
(19:48):
their arms holding. They're actually holding it up like they
wouldn't tree stands. So I agree with Mike in that
sense that you need to practice like you're going to hunt,
and while it may not be the hundred yards, it's
the your time to comfort with the firearm.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well man, I agree wholeheartedly with you guys, But I
will say this, like you and I understand and Mike
understands and John understands, that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
We need to get our heart weight up. We need
to feel that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's why one of the big reasons why I compete
in NROL hunter is that I feel that pressure under
that time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
But I will tell you this, like there was a
buck last year.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That came out and we had I had spent all
this time prepping these kids on shooting positions and just
dry fire practice, and then we go out and we'd
do the same thing on the range live fire, and man,
I couldn't figure out a good way to get those
kids to understand, like, when your shot presents itself, you've
(20:51):
got to break that shot quick. And I that's the
one thing, that's the one prep thing. That's the one
thing when prepping like different people first, whether it's an
adult who's first time hunting or a kid that you
can't really like, it's hard to prepare.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Because he got behind that gun and I was like, hey,
you better take this shot or that deer is out,
like you've got to take it fast, And sure enough,
that deer just goes. He was gone, and he had
an opportunity like two or three times to shoot it.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I'm with you, And when we were at the range
working with them, with my kids, they get there right away,
and it was very much teaching him. It's like, look,
you're not going to get the crossairs rock solid, so
it's going to hover a little bit. This goes back
to the archery side of me, where it's like, look,
you can't hold a bow rock steady, so you need
to understand the rhythm of it and come around to
(21:45):
and so getting him to understand that part of it.
But my son in particular was the one where it's like, dude,
you need to hear pull this trigger. I'm like, you
don't have ten seconds, so you know, getting to go
through that, and it actually much like you It bid
him in the butunt two years ago. So we have
in Minnesota a youth season over in the middle of
October when we have kids out from school, and of
(22:07):
course we've got a friend who planned a wedding right
over the top of it, so we.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's not really a morning by the way, well it.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Was my wife's friend, let's just be clear, it wasn't.
And I was obligated to go. So I got my
son out. The miles we put on that weekend were
pretty inbsurd. But we went out that morning and sat
and we had a deer, we actually had two deer
come out, and he was tired and a little grumpy
and he saw it come out and he just didn't
(22:36):
just didn't. I'm like, you need to hurry up and
do this, because if you don't, it's gone and it's over.
Well it was gone. Another dude didn't present itself. I'm like, dude,
we got to get out and go to the wedding now.
And then he was mad, but it was a real
life experience and now it's stuck in his head. Last fall,
we come up and the deer comes walking out of
the woods and that thing didn't make it five steps.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And he was done.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Yeah, you know, so you could talk about you and
still and this goes for Randy Hunter. Really it's until
you get in the moment. You don't understand that the
time it seems like it slows down, but it really doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah so oh well yeah, no, I mean, repetition is
the mother of all skills. Yes, Chris Serno would say,
and there's truth to that, but it's just hard to
replicate it. But going down going into replicating the process,
you talk about your packing process, and we'll kind of
bring it around to that and the preparation that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It takes for that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But like, I'm one of those guys that has to
touch everything like ten times before I'm confident that that
is all I need. And I'm constantly replaying scenarios in
my mind. Maybe it'd be just easier if I just
had an entire checklist, but I feel like I would
pack too much, So a checklist I do.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I have a checklist, and we bring a notebook up
and leave it in the camper and we think it's like, oh,
you know what we need next it's like, oh, you
know what we need next year? Or what we don't need,
that sort of thing. And each of my kids now
I have their own backpack for their stand and they
are in charge of that now. Granted, I will say
my daughter is sixteen and my son is now fifteen,
(24:15):
so but they've each been hunting since they were eleven,
so it's it is it's taking years. But now at
that point, it's like, here's your backpack, you know do
you have? And they pack it up and they sit
on the shelf next to mine. And so for me,
I'm as per prepared as I can because we went
dub hunting this year and I literally was grabbing stuff
at ten o'clock at night to leave four the next morning,
(24:37):
and I just pulled my totes out, grab a backpack
and we were out the door and I went through
it all that night. I'm like, I've got everything we're good.
It's for that reason where an impromptu hunt can come
up and I can go. And so that's why for me,
it's like I want to make sure all my gears
where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I and I do that, and I should do
the the tote thing, and I have tots, I have bags,
like I have all this stuff and it's like your
your orange tote for your blaze orange. I have a
waterproof bag that it just all goes into. But man,
it's just it takes me time to touch every I
(25:16):
want to touch everything and know it's that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, I'm the same way. I make sure every piece
goes into the bag because the totes, the orange toat
just gets thrown in the camper because I'm like, I've
got a camper in a truck. So it's like I'm
not worried about space in that regard. But everything else
is going into a backpack. It's like, oh yeah, it
all gets emptied out, put back in and checked through
for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's I mean, it's all a process. It's it's it's
a fluid. For me, it's fluid, Like I'm always thinking
and my wife always asks me, like, hey, like why
don't you just write it down?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And I'm like, no, this is my process.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
She goes, I don't know how you don't forget everything,
and sure enough I go off and forget my underwear.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So yep, I mean is she I'm not going to
say that. I'm not gonna say definitely not gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But anyway, all right, thanks Matt. We're going to bring
you back in at the end for a year shot. Well,
I want to jump over to John McAdams of the
Big Game Hunting Podcast. I want to talk to him
a little bit about John Amo, like when you're traveling
and I'd love to get Mike's thoughts on this afterwards,
(26:25):
but when you're traveling abroad, like how are you prepping
your AMMO like and what does that look like for you?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Sure thing. Those are really good questions. So it's kind
of a multifaceted answer we have to have here. There's
the actual like transporting of the AMO and doing things
on the legal and admin side, and we'll talk about that.
Then there's also just choosing what is appropriate for the hunt.
There's a lot of hunts you can go where a
soft bullet like an eld X is really great, wonderful
(26:57):
choice for an open country a deer or antelope punt
or something like that. But hunting in thick cover like
where I hunt a deer for instance, like out in
East Texas, I think it's a terrible choice. Toyes too soft.
You also just don't need the you know, a lot
of the features of it, and so in that case
you need to kind of match what you're using to
the situation. I was in Africa this past summer and
(27:20):
that hunt, I did some open country hunting, but I
was taken two three hundred yard shots, not super you know,
I'm not shooting six hundred yards, right, And then we
spent most of the hunt though, hunting in the thicker bushveld,
where one hundred yard shot was a was a a
tougher or more common situation like that. So for that reason,
(27:41):
there is a tendency with a lot of people who
go to Africa you want to use a tougher bullet
like that. And it really makes sense in situations like
that where you know you're you know, shooting fifty one
hundred and fifty yards something you know, two hundred yards
on the on the on the outside, especially if you're
going after a really big, tough, dangerous game like kay
buffalo for instance. So you know, for instance this year
(28:04):
is a four hundred grain north Fork semispitzer bullet from
a four to sixteen remming to Magnum pulled this bullet
out of a buffalo after it went through the heart
of the buffalo on this most recent hunt. I didn't
shoot that. One of the guys I was there with
did that. It was perfect. I mean, I mean it
blew a hole. You know, that big through that buffalo's
hard and you know everything that you could ask for
(28:26):
out of it, and shot it again with as it
was kind of moving around waiting to die, with a
cup pointed solid like that also from north Fork, And
that's a good balance of bullets like that where you
use that soft bullet for that first shot where you
are taking say a broadside or close to broadside shot
(28:47):
on the animal where you wanted to expand cause as
much damage as possible and you need penetration, but you
don't need an ungodly amount of penetration for it. The
second shot those where things can get interesting, where say,
like on a buffalo, it's either going straight away from
you and you've got to shoot it in the rear
end and penetrate a long distance like that, or if
things go wrong, it's coming straight at you and you
need to punch through the through the skull on it.
(29:09):
So right, A lot of people use solids like that
for those sort of yeah hunts on But that same
sort of bullet, that saft nose bullet I showed you,
we're great for antelope, for deer, for elk, things like that.
A nice bond that's off point like that, especially a
close range where you got to higher impact velocity, it's
going to penetrate really well, make a really really big
(29:31):
wound on that animal.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So when you talk about like like prepping for the
season and getting your AMMO ready and squared away, we've
got the AMMO squared away. Like how does your prep
differ from like your hunt in East Texas then a
hunt from like heading over into Africa.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
M Yeah, So in each case I analyze the situation.
What am I hunting, what is the what are the
conditions like, what is my likely shot distance going to
be for it? And then what all is going there?
Am I driving there, am I flying? Am I crossing?
And the International Boarder all of that stuff. If you
are going overseas. If you live in the United States
(30:11):
and you're going overseas anywhere, it doesn't matter, if you're
going to Canada, doesn't matter, if you're going to Africa.
You always need what's called the forty four to fifty seven.
You go to a customs office near you get that.
Fill it out, bring your rifle, rifles, shotguns, whatever you're
bringing with you, and it is proof that you own
those firearms before you left the country. Show it to
the customs agent. They'll verify what's on the paperwork is
(30:33):
the same as the gun. They'll stamp it. And then
when you come back in the country after your hunt,
they'd be like, oh, you were hunting right, we need
to check your guns. And they'll say, okay, show me
a forty four to fifty seven. They'll match what's on
the forty four to fifty seven versus that. Now, every
country also has its own specific paperwork and everything that
is unique to that country. That if you're hunting with
(30:55):
an outfitter, and usually you are. If you're hunting in
a different country like that, you need to go through
whatever hoops they, you know, make you jump through to
get all that stuff sorted out, and they'll they'll usually
help you with that. In some countries it's a little
bit of a band in the rear, and some it's
a lot. Need to be traveling if you're flying, regardless
of where you're going, needs to be in a locked,
(31:17):
hard sided case where someone can't get into it. Some
places make you have the AMMO separate from the gun.
Some places let you have it in the gun case.
Like when I went to Africa.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You take the.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
AMMO, put it in a locked, hard sided container like
a lot of people use a pistol container or a
pistol box. Put your AMMO in that. Put that in
your other checked bag with you know, your clothes and
things like that. Usually you're you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Have That's where I'm messed up.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I went into Canada and I was driving and he
was like, hey, just a just a heads up me.
He was very very nice, very nice customs a and
I did not realize that the AMMO could not be
with the firearm. Those two, yeah, cannot be together. So
he was like, hey, just move this any put it
in the back of the bed of the truck. So
(32:06):
that's yeah, it's one of those little rules that I
just was unaware of.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And if you're flying you can have up to eleven
pounds an AMMO, so so there is there is a
limit to it depending on the airline. But all these
things that you just if you do your homework ahead
of time and see what you know United or Delta's
policies are on it and everything, and get that stuff
sorted out, that saves a lot of stress when you
get to the airport.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well on that end, it's man, there's so many things
that happened on my Canada trip that it could be
a whole podcast. And so it was a calamity of errors.
So flying up United, I'd fly with a media card
and I get up to ninety nine pounds in a
case and it only cost me fifty bucks, which is awesome,
(32:52):
like when you're traveling abroad and like you're trying to
travel with you know, gun cases. This was a domestic
flight because I then drove up to camp and then
flew back on Air Canada. Well, because I did not
fly up there on Air Canada. They have different rules
than United. And I get up to the counter and
I lifted the gun case up and it was ninety
(33:13):
two point three pounds and they go. The lady looks
me dead in the face and goes, you flew up
here with that, and I go, well, I flew up
on United but then I drove across the border and
she goes, oh, we're not taking that.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
And I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean, all the gear that's in there is gear
that I have to have for every hunting season. Like
it's stuff that I've like purchased and worked hard for.
And I'm like, oh crap. So I start throwing in,
like throwing in like like Bino's in backpacks and like
all of them in the meat like like ice chest
(33:53):
and everything. I started throwing all kinds of gear and
there was a gear spread out everywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It was horrible. Off. Well, so check you there and back.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Oh got me? Yeah, I heard Air Canada. I hate
the best airline for customer service either. So I'm glad
you sorted it out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh no, no, they they were great, like they like
Airic Canada. Like they they're they're very like she waves
some fees for me. She was like, hey, I appreciate
you working with They're the nicest people up there, but
thanks for working with us, and you.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Know, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I didn't charge you overages on those other two backs
because they were they were quite a bit over.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I mean, they just work.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I think they ended up being around like, I don't know,
like sixty five pounds or something like that, and she
was like, usually we don't take them until they get
to seventies. So she was like, if you can get
close to that, we won't charge you. So it was
nice of her to do that. But so do you
have any gear that that you prep for and then
(34:55):
you're though, that's just always in your like prep list
and that's always in your gear. Is there any gear
that like you would tell the Big Game Hunting podcast
audience like, Hey, this is what goes with me every trip.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah, so everywhere I go, I even to take this
to the shooting range, so I'm not funding. I take
my bio harness with my Bino's in it, and I
have my bipod attached to the bottom of it and
has a little pouch on the side where i'd have
my widicator and I keep my ear pro in there,
so all I got to do is grab that thing
and that that's when I'm hunting. I put my tag
in there as well, yes, it's all that stuff is
(35:32):
right there and you just got to grab that.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, that's what goes with me. And I found a
new one, like it's a Kafaru steelhead like and yes,
the steel head it's it's more dedicated towards those fly fishermen.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But it's a bigger.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Pouch and I can fit more in it. Not always
a great thing, but I've I've absolutely loved that thing.
That's that's been a really really good good deal as
far as like being able to do a bino harness
and everything and have more storage. You know what, Let's
bring everybody back in because I think there's some great
conversations being had here and I want to I want
(36:07):
to get over to Mike. Mike, let's hear your final shots.
Let's let's get those final shots out and anything you
want to add to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Okay, well again, thanks for having me on. This has
just been really a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But I.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Either two experts here are saying is dead on the money. Like,
I mean, how can I add to what they what
they've already said, other than you know, some details about
what what I what I've done personally and you know, know,
you know your terrain of where you're going to go.
(36:45):
Make sure that whether you're using tots or using media
packs like you got with one hundred pounds or whatever
wherever they are, make sure that you have the correct footwear.
Make sure that you've gone through get your underwear, make
sure sure that you know that the specific terrain and
and of course the climate that you're going toward. You know,
(37:06):
I've had had one guy that literally came with me
to a hunt in Africa that wasn't ready for the heat.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It was.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It was odd. And then and then also the other
one that wasn't ready for the coolness in July and
South Africa. It was you know, a couple of times
were a thousand feet and it was it was chilly.
It was it was froze, frost, and you know, we
were he was shooting at a really nice trophy and
you shake it. It was really kind of an odd thing.
(37:37):
So make sure that make sure that you prepare for
this very specific spot that you're going toward, uh to hunt.
It's gonna be maybe different than your home in Virginia
or Florida or wherever you live. That's that's the one
thing that I really wanted to add that really compliments
what these other fine fellows have said, and I really
(37:58):
wanted to emphasize that you you know, John's one hundred
percent right on the on the bullet selection. You know,
you can't use same bullets for every hunt, even if
you're using the same caliber of rifle or rifle. Make
sure that you know what game you're going after and
then choose that I ammunition based on, uh, you know,
(38:21):
what you think will be the most effective in again
the environment.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I mean that's when that's probably one of the bigger misconceptions.
I think what I would call the average hunter falls
into a trap. He thinks, you know, whatever amo he
is aligned himself with, and he says, well, that's what
my granddaddy used, and that's he killed white tail all
over the country with it. And he goes, Dad, Gummett,
(38:50):
that's what I'm going to take on my next ELK hunt,
you know, and it says it might not be the
right one. And and I think I think it's one
of the bigger miss conceptions out there, is bullet selection
and matching. That what John and Mike have said, Matt,
what are your final the shot?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
So I was just going to jump on that. And
I have educated multiple people firsthand by taking him to
the range with different weights of Ammo and showing them
how they can actually shoot better than what they're used to.
I mean, some people, the casual hunter will be like, ah, yeah,
that one or two just a flyer or whatever. Else.
He's like, Okay, you realize you could get like a
(39:31):
group of five dialed in if you just went the
next weight down or the next weight up. Actually just
did it this last fall to a guy, He's like,
I can't get decited. And he showed up my door
ands like, what's wrong with my rifle? He said, let's
go to the range. And I go. Before we go
to the range, I go by this box, this box,
this box and Ammo and he's like okay, and one
was one he already had, and then I gave it,
(39:52):
and I made him by two other weights, and we
sat down and trial and error, and I showed them
the differences of the same brand of Ammo, same bullet
three differ. But anyway, My parting shot, though, is something
that might be alluded to earlier, and it's why I
am so overly prepared in advance, because I have gone
on enough hunts of my own where I'm not prepared
(40:13):
that I don't enjoy the hunt because I don't have
enough clothes. I brought too much, so I'm sweating all
the time and I'm miserable, or I'm missing something to
make a creature comfort. I'm over prepared, so when I
get there, it's like I've got everything. Now all I
gotta do is go start walking around and finding the antelope,
or sit in my stand and wait for the deer
(40:34):
to show up so I can sit there and enjoy it.
In kJ T your point earlier, it's like, maybe because
I have kids, like I want to make sure they've
got everything so they're comfortable as little kids so they
can last longer. But it's just become a habit now
that it's like, no, I've got everything and I'm now
I'm there to just fully enjoy the two three days
that I've got with my kids and my buddies that
(40:55):
I'm out. And I would say that's the reason. To me,
that's the biggest reason to be prepared, is so you
can actually enjoy the experience of being out there for
if the moment happens or if it doesn't happen, then
God forbid the weather. All of a sudden it turns
eighty and October fifteenth, and you know, so you're not
going to see anything. But it's like, well, let's light
(41:15):
up a bonfire then.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, So that's what John, what's your final shot? Man?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You've had you've heard these guys talking about it. Any
final thoughts.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
I would say a lot of people focus way too
much on the caliber of the gun that they are
hunting with, the six five creed More two forty three
three women whatever. I would much rather a hunter bring
a gun that they can shoot accurately and are using
an appropriate bullet for whatever it is that they're hunting.
Bring it. You want to bring a two forty three
(41:51):
or sixty five creed More or something like that on
an no gun, or bring it to Africa. You bring
it with a good tough bullet that's going to penetrate
well whatnot, It's gonna work great.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're right, that's one hundred percent right on all accounts.
And here's my final shot. If you fail to prepare,
prepare to fail, all right, I mean that's just it.
I mean, on all accounts, whether it's planning and forgetting
your underwear or choosing the right bullet. I mean, you don't,
(42:24):
you don't prepare, probably gonna fail, all right, gun talk hunters,
That's it for me. kJ As always keeps those muscles
pointing in a safe direction and always be on the
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now let's get on the hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome in all you gun Talk hunters. I'm your host,
and today's show is brought to you by range Ready Studios,
Vortex and Hodgden Powders. And today's show we're going all
the way from Utah to Minnesota. We're all over the country,
and we've got Mike McNett of Double Tap Ammo. We've
(00:44):
got Matt Johnson of Gun Talk Media, and John mccadams
of the Big Game Hunting Podcast. He's back with us.
Now we're talking about prepping for the season and what
does that look like. Now, we've got two guys on
here that travel to Africa quite a bit. They are
international travelers, Mike McNett and John McAdams. And then you
(01:06):
got the state side dwellers that really hunt all over
the country. And uh, well, all of the guys really
they're all hunters. So we're going to jump in first
with Mike McNett and talk with him a little bit
about what his prep looks like before a big hunt. So, Mike,
welcome to the show. What does your prep look like?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Thanks for having me on kJ. You know, it kind
of depends on the hunt. But one thing that's universal
for me that you'll you'll find every time I go hunting,
whether it's deer hunting with my son or whether I'm
going to Zimbabwe, it is, first of all, I have
to get to choose the gun and the and the
(01:53):
ammunition that I want to use, and I want to
side it in and I want to get it set
for exactly how I want to use it at what rate,
don't want to use it, memorize that, get it, get
that down a ballistic skuy. So it's the number one
thing for me, and then I do that early. I'll
do that for you know, a big hunt expense upon,
(02:13):
I'll do that months ahead of time. For a deer hunt,
it may not be quite as long, but right then
and then I practice. I'll practice with that with that combination,
you know, once a week all the way through the
other For uh, there's there's subjects too big for a
quick a quick response. But you know, if we're going international,
(02:37):
then I actually started working about paperwork, flights, things like that.
You're you know, getting your outfit or on board with
getting you on board with the local regulations if you've
never been to some place like Zambie or something like that,
and then you guys start doing that a year ahead
of time. At least that's the way it works really
good for me to not have to have a lot
(02:58):
of snaffoos. You need to make sure that that you're
in decent shape. I know some for some of us
older guys kJ not you quite yet, but some older
guys we we tend to, you know, in the wintertime,
get a little a little stop maybe, and then we
(03:19):
need to make sure we can bust our butt when
it comes time to hit the ground. So you got
to make sure you do that as well, and take
care of your body because you don't want to go
on the hunt, whether it's dogs in Texas or whether
it's you know, somewhere in South Africa. You don't want
to have to waste everyone's time and money and effort
because you're you can't get out of bed the next morning.
(03:40):
So uh, there's there's a there's a lot to it
I don't know how much time you got for me here,
but we we uh, we definitely like to make sure
that the gun is right and make sure that. Now,
if it's a dangerous game hunt, I practice a little
different more, a little differently than if it's a plane's
game or if it's a hog hunter deer hunt. So
(04:03):
a lot of practice that people do, they say it's practice.
They'll get on a bench and they'll shoot. Well, that's
not I hunt. So that's how you're saying, they makes
your guns sided in. But I want I want everybody
to hear that getting a good group off the bench
is fantastic, but it is not how you're going to
(04:26):
shoot when it comes time. So if you're going to
shoot off shooting sticks, you should have shooting sticks at
the range with you. If you're going to shoot improvised, kneeling, standing,
laying down, prone, whatever that is, you want to practice
with those, and you want to have a backup because
you're always going to be able to get prone in
(04:47):
the field. I'm there's going to be something in the way,
and I like to get up on shooting sticks no
matter what, because that's one thing you can almost always
count on being able to use. And then I was
just gonna touch about with with dangerous game. If you
know you're going to be, you know, hunting buff or
you're gonna be hunting hippo or hunting lion or whatever
(05:09):
it is, I like to I like to practice, and
I'm kind of I don't know, maybe maybe I'm in
a different spot than some because I'm way out here
in the middle of nowhere in Utah, and so you
can do what I want. And I don't have to
be on a range in New York City, so it
makes it a little easier for me. But I like
(05:30):
to practice with my gun, and the state is going
to be in in the field, and I like to
practice with it. Let's say, if it's gonna be in
my hands, it's gonna be my hands, so so on
my back, it's gonna be on my back. Yeah, And
I like to This is a it's kind of a
funny little thing, but I started with my kids fifteen
years ago and it really has been really good.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I'll literally have.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
One of them just I'll go up on the on
the side of the hill and put uh little sporting
place so little orange clays put them out of disc
twenty five thirty forty yards sometimes fifty depending on where
I'm walking, and I don't get to see them. I'm
just walking. They're up there where I can see all
(06:14):
of them once I turn around, and I'll walk through
the bush and then have tap me on the shoulder
and say look out. We call it the lookout. It's
fun to do with the kids, by the way, but
it is very effective. And screams look out at me.
And later on when they got older, I told them
to literally screamed my ear. Get the adrenaline up, and
(06:35):
then I go from whatever state of readiness i'm in
to on target shooting three shots and try to get
three clays. And it is a very effective tool for
sharpening you up. No matter how sharp you think you are,
that will that will show you that you need a
little practice if you haven't been doing it already. I
(06:57):
used to do it with gallon jugs when I was
a little kid hanging front the juniper trees. But that
this is much better than that because they're they're smaller, right,
And like I've told you before, when I when I
shut that buff charging on me, that clay was about
the right size for you to hit.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
The dome them. Yeah, man, And.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It practs you to be quick and move and when
their pressure is on.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah. I think.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I think as much pressure as you can put on yourself,
the better when you're practicing and just finding creative ways
to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I like the Lookout game that sounds really good.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But so going back, like you talk about getting in
shape and guys not being in shape. My uncle on
this most recent trip to Canada, and I set up
a pair of for him. Have you seen the robotic legs?
Have you seen these things?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Huh? Like?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So, basically it fits around your waist and you have
like two bars coming down basically your femur, and then
it straps right above your kneecap and it's like in
a in assists you like, and so you can turn
it on different powers and like as you're lifting your legs,
it feels that motion and engages a motor and helps
(08:17):
you lift those your legs down. It was the oddest feeling.
I felt like I could probably run like Usain Bolt,
like I like it, Like I felt light as.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
A feather, so like our light. What are you talking about, dud?
What I'm not as light as you?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And that's That's the thing is that I'm like, you
know what, and he got it because you know, he
likes to prepare kind of like what we do.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
He got it for the fall, the like.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Fall kind of almost headed into winter pheasant season and
walking through the tall brush and so you know, he
straps that on his waist and all of a sudden,
now it's it's it's helping him his legs because he's
eighty two years old. Like I think, like, man, a
guy that's not as much in shape. You're in shape,
(09:08):
you can go out and get in good shape. But
guys that that maybe have like you know, knee problems
or knee issues or or an injury came up and
they're preparing for that hunt. That man something like that,
Like that's kind of a game changer, and like they're
pretty sharp.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I don't know, I was.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I was just sitting here thinking and I was like
doing a little research on my computer, and I was like,
am I saying that right? But it's like called like
like it's like an exoskeleton type deal and it's pretty cool.
But but you would have to I feel like you'd
have to get used to that, like just like just
like shooting, getting under pressure and making the shot. Like,
(09:51):
there's not many places out there that will allow you
to do stuff like that, and so I mean coming
up with a game, and especially the one that you
can play with your kids, because that's always important, yep,
is an easy way to do it.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Another another one that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I mean, this my dad did when we were kids,
and it does work, is to, uh to kind of
stimulate the pressure when you're on the sticks or when
you're on a tree branch or whatever you're at, depending
on what type of range you're at, and uh, just
having someone talk to you the whole time and distract
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you while you're shot the range. If you were at
a range, they wouldn't have any problem with that because
people talk at the range all the time. But you know,
screaming and grabbing and stuff that's not going to work
at some ranges. But yeah, but the but the but
talking to you and saying, hey, you know, let's you know,
look the beautiful twelve point and blah blah blah bla blah,
and just getting in your getting your in your head
(10:54):
while you're trying to shoot, getting you getting this pump
in a little bit more and getting used to that
or getting used to trying to calm that down. That's
another one that is not necessarily dangerous game, but it's
fantastic for you know, the guys.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean, everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Everybody gets a little bit of buck fever. Come on,
if not, probably shouldn't be up bothering to hunt. I mean,
for me, the biggest thing that I really enjoy being
when I'm out on the when I'm out hunting nowadays,
it's different than when I was, you know, fifteen or
twenty or twenty five years old. Thing is, hey, a
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lot of times with my kids, and I want to
see them get excited, even if I'm the one shooting
and I and it's the hunt before it's not. It's
not hey, look at this this animal that I just shot.
It's the whole process that begins with practicing beforehand, and
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then it ends, you know, and shakes and pictures after
the after hopefully a.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Decent animal is down.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
But that whole process is something that some people get
lost in the preparation and the and the hunt. When
you're actually out, you know, putting your boots on the
ground is more important. It's more important than actually the shot.
And you want to be prepared for the shot, but
you also need to prepare to be prepared to go
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because a lot of people, I think nowadays, I get
really hung up on the trophy. You get really hung
up on this many in any point all this stuff.
And let me tell you, I have some really cool
trophies and none of them are even close to me
and is as cool as a you know, a four
(12:39):
corner I got with my oldest son.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Right after this break, we're gonna jump in with Matt Johnson.
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and we are with Matt Johnson all the way up
into Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
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Speaker 1 (15:22):
Matt, we're talking about prepping hunting, and Man, I get
into I get into Canada, and I've spent so much
time prepping my kids for their hunt, like packing, packing
their clothes, like making sure like, hey, do you have everything?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Do you have the list that I gave you? Did
you pack everything?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I get up there and I forgot I forgot the
following all my underwear, and I forgot a belt well,
and two magazines got confiscated at the border.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But that's for another time. So yeah, like you.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Spend so much time prepping other people and getting you know,
your paperwork and everything else lined up. Dude, what is
your process for prepping to take your kids hunting? Because
I know you hunt heavily with your kids. What's that
process look like?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
So my wife will say it's an addiction of rubber totes.
So what I do, and I've had multiple look at me,
and I will look at me a little bit. But
I have everything in totes. So I've got my orange.
So Minnesota year you have to have blaze orange, and
it's a large amount. So it's like I've got one
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tote off all the Blaze Orange goes in that tote
and it's got everybody's gear in there. And then I've
got one tote that is all turkey hunting gear, and
then the other tote is all camo for warm weather
to cold weather parchery or whatnot else. So and then
right behind all those totes, it's all the boots. So
from as Mike was talking earlier about, like you know,
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he's big on the gun side, I eliminate the equation
of close just by It's like, okay, it's all in there.
Can we come home from camp? It gets washed it
gets put away, it's in there. So like the things
you forgot, it's like that usually is at the bottom
of my list because I know if I'm going and
all of a sudden, inevitibly, I forgot something, it's like,
that's the kind of stuff I know I can swing
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into a Walmart or something and just pick up because
it's like, that's not going to ruin it on because
I can quickly pick that up.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's a false statement, because I will tell you this
much like bad underwear and ill fitting underwear can absolutely
ruin a.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Hunt, well that I will. I will stand on that
line like that. That is a false statement for Matt Johnson.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Everybody, all right, all right, all right, that's fair. I
haven't forgotten that, so I'll take it from the guy
who pass. But outside of that, I mean, that's the
closed side of it. The other side is, I mean
all the firearms together. So for me, I'm much like
mic in that save capacity. It's like, I know, like forges.
Last year was the first year that both of my
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kids joined me on the firearms season in Minnesota, so
I had an outfit both of them. I went by
myself a lever action because I've been relegated out of
my stands now to the woods floor, so I walk
around all day, which is absolutely a joy now and
I see why my dad did it for so many years.
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But to that end of it, it's it was a
whole news. I mean, yeah, I had the firearms set
up in September. We hunt in mid November, so I
had tom all set up, but I don't have access
like Mike does, like many people, and so we went
to the range and I made sure my kids practice
from a trigger time. So since my kids have been ten,
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they've been shooting on twenty twos and I've been in
their ear about it's breathe, release, squeeze trigger, don't pull trigger.
It's all of that on a twenty two or a
seventeen HMR where there's no recoil to worry about, right,
And then we always end the session with the gun
they're actually going to shoot in the woods, so they
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know exactly the firearm they're getting into the noise that recoil,
et cetera. And then the week before we go, we
go back to the range and they only shoot their firearms,
so by the time we get up there, they're offset
now I've had a few more years in the woods
than they have, So I mean I shoot a lot
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of off end. I'm not a guy who likes to
sit shooting down, but both my kids have killed animals
just sitting in tree stands. But to that end, we're
on public land, hang on stands. We're not in box
lines or not in ladder stands, and so at the
range the kids get used to sitting off hand, sitting
on a chair, but not actually on the bench with
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their arms holding. They're actually holding it up like they
wouldn't tree stands. So I agree with Mike in that
sense that you need to practice like you're going to hunt,
and while it may not be the hundred yards, it's
the your time to comfort with the firearm.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well man, I agree wholeheartedly with you guys, But I
will say this, like you and I understand and Mike
understands and John understands, that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
We need to get our heart weight up. We need
to feel that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's why one of the big reasons why I compete
in NROL hunter is that I feel that pressure under
that time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
But I will tell you this, like there was a
buck last year.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That came out and we had I had spent all
this time prepping these kids on shooting positions and just
dry fire practice, and then we go out and we'd
do the same thing on the range live fire, and man,
I couldn't figure out a good way to get those
kids to understand, like, when your shot presents itself, you've
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got to break that shot quick. And I that's the
one thing, that's the one prep thing. That's the one
thing when prepping like different people first, whether it's an
adult who's first time hunting or a kid that you
can't really like, it's hard to prepare.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Because he got behind that gun and I was like, hey,
you better take this shot or that deer is out,
like you've got to take it fast, And sure enough,
that deer just goes. He was gone, and he had
an opportunity like two or three times to shoot it.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I'm with you, And when we were at the range
working with them, with my kids, they get there right away,
and it was very much teaching him. It's like, look,
you're not going to get the crossairs rock solid, so
it's going to hover a little bit. This goes back
to the archery side of me, where it's like, look,
you can't hold a bow rock steady, so you need
to understand the rhythm of it and come around to
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and so getting him to understand that part of it.
But my son in particular was the one where it's like, dude,
you need to hear pull this trigger. I'm like, you
don't have ten seconds, so you know, getting to go
through that, and it actually much like you It bid
him in the butunt two years ago. So we have
in Minnesota a youth season over in the middle of
October when we have kids out from school, and of
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course we've got a friend who planned a wedding right
over the top of it, so we.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's not really a morning by the way, well it.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Was my wife's friend, let's just be clear, it wasn't.
And I was obligated to go. So I got my
son out. The miles we put on that weekend were
pretty inbsurd. But we went out that morning and sat
and we had a deer, we actually had two deer
come out, and he was tired and a little grumpy
and he saw it come out and he just didn't
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just didn't. I'm like, you need to hurry up and
do this, because if you don't, it's gone and it's over.
Well it was gone. Another dude didn't present itself. I'm like, dude,
we got to get out and go to the wedding now.
And then he was mad, but it was a real
life experience and now it's stuck in his head. Last fall,
we come up and the deer comes walking out of
the woods and that thing didn't make it five steps.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And he was done.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Yeah, you know, so you could talk about you and
still and this goes for Randy Hunter. Really it's until
you get in the moment. You don't understand that the
time it seems like it slows down, but it really doesn't.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah so oh well yeah, no, I mean, repetition is
the mother of all skills. Yes, Chris Serno would say,
and there's truth to that, but it's just hard to
replicate it. But going down going into replicating the process,
you talk about your packing process, and we'll kind of
bring it around to that and the preparation that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It takes for that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But like, I'm one of those guys that has to
touch everything like ten times before I'm confident that that
is all I need. And I'm constantly replaying scenarios in
my mind. Maybe it'd be just easier if I just
had an entire checklist, but I feel like I would
pack too much, So a checklist I do.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
I have a checklist, and we bring a notebook up
and leave it in the camper and we think it's like, oh,
you know what we need next it's like, oh, you
know what we need next year? Or what we don't need,
that sort of thing. And each of my kids now
I have their own backpack for their stand and they
are in charge of that now. Granted, I will say
my daughter is sixteen and my son is now fifteen,
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so but they've each been hunting since they were eleven,
so it's it is it's taking years. But now at
that point, it's like, here's your backpack, you know do
you have? And they pack it up and they sit
on the shelf next to mine. And so for me,
I'm as per prepared as I can because we went
dub hunting this year and I literally was grabbing stuff
at ten o'clock at night to leave four the next morning,
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and I just pulled my totes out, grab a backpack
and we were out the door and I went through
it all that night. I'm like, I've got everything we're good.
It's for that reason where an impromptu hunt can come
up and I can go. And so that's why for me,
it's like I want to make sure all my gears
where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, I and I do that, and I should do
the the tote thing, and I have tots, I have bags,
like I have all this stuff and it's like your
your orange tote for your blaze orange. I have a
waterproof bag that it just all goes into. But man,
it's just it takes me time to touch every I
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want to touch everything and know it's that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, I'm the same way. I make sure every piece
goes into the bag because the totes, the orange toat
just gets thrown in the camper because I'm like, I've
got a camper in a truck. So it's like I'm
not worried about space in that regard. But everything else
is going into a backpack. It's like, oh yeah, it
all gets emptied out, put back in and checked through
for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's I mean, it's all a process. It's it's it's
a fluid. For me, it's fluid, Like I'm always thinking
and my wife always asks me, like, hey, like why
don't you just write it down?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And I'm like, no, this is my process.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
She goes, I don't know how you don't forget everything,
and sure enough I go off and forget my underwear.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So yep, I mean is she I'm not going to
say that. I'm not gonna say definitely not gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But anyway, all right, thanks Matt. We're going to bring
you back in at the end for a year shot. Well,
I want to jump over to John McAdams of the
Big Game Hunting Podcast. I want to talk to him
a little bit about John Amo, like when you're traveling
and I'd love to get Mike's thoughts on this afterwards,
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but when you're traveling abroad, like how are you prepping
your AMMO like and what does that look like for you?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Sure thing. Those are really good questions. So it's kind
of a multifaceted answer we have to have here. There's
the actual like transporting of the AMO and doing things
on the legal and admin side, and we'll talk about that.
Then there's also just choosing what is appropriate for the hunt.
There's a lot of hunts you can go where a
soft bullet like an eld X is really great, wonderful
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choice for an open country a deer or antelope punt
or something like that. But hunting in thick cover like
where I hunt a deer for instance, like out in
East Texas, I think it's a terrible choice. Toyes too soft.
You also just don't need the you know, a lot
of the features of it, and so in that case
you need to kind of match what you're using to
the situation. I was in Africa this past summer and
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that hunt, I did some open country hunting, but I
was taken two three hundred yard shots, not super you know,
I'm not shooting six hundred yards, right, And then we
spent most of the hunt though, hunting in the thicker bushveld,
where one hundred yard shot was a was a a
tougher or more common situation like that. So for that reason,
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there is a tendency with a lot of people who
go to Africa you want to use a tougher bullet
like that. And it really makes sense in situations like
that where you know you're you know, shooting fifty one
hundred and fifty yards something you know, two hundred yards
on the on the on the outside, especially if you're
going after a really big, tough, dangerous game like kay
buffalo for instance. So you know, for instance this year
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is a four hundred grain north Fork semispitzer bullet from
a four to sixteen remming to Magnum pulled this bullet
out of a buffalo after it went through the heart
of the buffalo on this most recent hunt. I didn't
shoot that. One of the guys I was there with
did that. It was perfect. I mean, I mean it
blew a hole. You know, that big through that buffalo's
hard and you know everything that you could ask for
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out of it, and shot it again with as it
was kind of moving around waiting to die, with a
cup pointed solid like that also from north Fork, And
that's a good balance of bullets like that where you
use that soft bullet for that first shot where you
are taking say a broadside or close to broadside shot
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on the animal where you wanted to expand cause as
much damage as possible and you need penetration, but you
don't need an ungodly amount of penetration for it. The
second shot those where things can get interesting, where say,
like on a buffalo, it's either going straight away from
you and you've got to shoot it in the rear
end and penetrate a long distance like that, or if
things go wrong, it's coming straight at you and you
need to punch through the through the skull on it.
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So right, A lot of people use solids like that
for those sort of yeah hunts on But that same
sort of bullet, that saft nose bullet I showed you,
we're great for antelope, for deer, for elk, things like that.
A nice bond that's off point like that, especially a
close range where you got to higher impact velocity, it's
going to penetrate really well, make a really really big
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wound on that animal.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So when you talk about like like prepping for the
season and getting your AMMO ready and squared away, we've
got the AMMO squared away. Like how does your prep
differ from like your hunt in East Texas then a
hunt from like heading over into Africa.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
M Yeah, So in each case I analyze the situation.
What am I hunting, what is the what are the
conditions like, what is my likely shot distance going to
be for it? And then what all is going there?
Am I driving there, am I flying? Am I crossing?
And the International Boarder all of that stuff. If you
are going overseas. If you live in the United States
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and you're going overseas anywhere, it doesn't matter, if you're
going to Canada, doesn't matter, if you're going to Africa.
You always need what's called the forty four to fifty seven.
You go to a customs office near you get that.
Fill it out, bring your rifle, rifles, shotguns, whatever you're
bringing with you, and it is proof that you own
those firearms before you left the country. Show it to
the customs agent. They'll verify what's on the paperwork is
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the same as the gun. They'll stamp it. And then
when you come back in the country after your hunt,
they'd be like, oh, you were hunting right, we need
to check your guns. And they'll say, okay, show me
a forty four to fifty seven. They'll match what's on
the forty four to fifty seven versus that. Now, every
country also has its own specific paperwork and everything that
is unique to that country. That if you're hunting with
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an outfitter, and usually you are. If you're hunting in
a different country like that, you need to go through
whatever hoops they, you know, make you jump through to
get all that stuff sorted out, and they'll they'll usually
help you with that. In some countries it's a little
bit of a band in the rear, and some it's
a lot. Need to be traveling if you're flying, regardless
of where you're going, needs to be in a locked,
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hard sided case where someone can't get into it. Some
places make you have the AMMO separate from the gun.
Some places let you have it in the gun case.
Like when I went to Africa.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You take the.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
AMMO, put it in a locked, hard sided container like
a lot of people use a pistol container or a
pistol box. Put your AMMO in that. Put that in
your other checked bag with you know, your clothes and
things like that. Usually you're you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Have That's where I'm messed up.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I went into Canada and I was driving and he
was like, hey, just a just a heads up me.
He was very very nice, very nice customs a and
I did not realize that the AMMO could not be
with the firearm. Those two, yeah, cannot be together. So
he was like, hey, just move this any put it
in the back of the bed of the truck. So
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that's yeah, it's one of those little rules that I
just was unaware of.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And if you're flying you can have up to eleven
pounds an AMMO, so so there is there is a
limit to it depending on the airline. But all these
things that you just if you do your homework ahead
of time and see what you know United or Delta's
policies are on it and everything, and get that stuff
sorted out, that saves a lot of stress when you
get to the airport.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Well on that end, it's man, there's so many things
that happened on my Canada trip that it could be
a whole podcast. And so it was a calamity of errors.
So flying up United, I'd fly with a media card
and I get up to ninety nine pounds in a
case and it only cost me fifty bucks, which is awesome,
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like when you're traveling abroad and like you're trying to
travel with you know, gun cases. This was a domestic
flight because I then drove up to camp and then
flew back on Air Canada. Well, because I did not
fly up there on Air Canada. They have different rules
than United. And I get up to the counter and
I lifted the gun case up and it was ninety
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two point three pounds and they go. The lady looks
me dead in the face and goes, you flew up
here with that, and I go, well, I flew up
on United but then I drove across the border and
she goes, oh, we're not taking that.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
And I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I mean, all the gear that's in there is gear
that I have to have for every hunting season. Like
it's stuff that I've like purchased and worked hard for.
And I'm like, oh crap. So I start throwing in,
like throwing in like like Bino's in backpacks and like
all of them in the meat like like ice chest
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and everything. I started throwing all kinds of gear and
there was a gear spread out everywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It was horrible. Off. Well, so check you there and back.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Oh got me? Yeah, I heard Air Canada. I hate
the best airline for customer service either. So I'm glad
you sorted it out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh no, no, they they were great, like they like
Airic Canada. Like they they're they're very like she waves
some fees for me. She was like, hey, I appreciate
you working with They're the nicest people up there, but
thanks for working with us, and you.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Know, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I didn't charge you overages on those other two backs
because they were they were quite a bit over.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I mean, they just work.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I think they ended up being around like, I don't know,
like sixty five pounds or something like that, and she
was like, usually we don't take them until they get
to seventies. So she was like, if you can get
close to that, we won't charge you. So it was
nice of her to do that. But so do you
have any gear that that you prep for and then
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you're though, that's just always in your like prep list
and that's always in your gear. Is there any gear
that like you would tell the Big Game Hunting podcast
audience like, Hey, this is what goes with me every trip.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah, so everywhere I go, I even to take this
to the shooting range, so I'm not funding. I take
my bio harness with my Bino's in it, and I
have my bipod attached to the bottom of it and
has a little pouch on the side where i'd have
my widicator and I keep my ear pro in there,
so all I got to do is grab that thing
and that that's when I'm hunting. I put my tag
in there as well, yes, it's all that stuff is
(35:32):
right there and you just got to grab that.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, that's what goes with me. And I found a
new one, like it's a Kafaru steelhead like and yes,
the steel head it's it's more dedicated towards those fly fishermen.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But it's a bigger.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Pouch and I can fit more in it. Not always
a great thing, but I've I've absolutely loved that thing.
That's that's been a really really good good deal as
far as like being able to do a bino harness
and everything and have more storage. You know what, Let's
bring everybody back in because I think there's some great
conversations being had here and I want to I want
(36:07):
to get over to Mike. Mike, let's hear your final shots.
Let's let's get those final shots out and anything you
want to add to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Okay, well again, thanks for having me on. This has
just been really a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But I.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Either two experts here are saying is dead on the money. Like,
I mean, how can I add to what they what
they've already said, other than you know, some details about
what what I what I've done personally and you know, know,
you know your terrain of where you're going to go.
(36:45):
Make sure that whether you're using tots or using media
packs like you got with one hundred pounds or whatever
wherever they are, make sure that you have the correct footwear.
Make sure that you've gone through get your underwear, make
sure sure that you know that the specific terrain and
and of course the climate that you're going toward. You know,
(37:06):
I've had had one guy that literally came with me
to a hunt in Africa that wasn't ready for the heat.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It was.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It was odd. And then and then also the other
one that wasn't ready for the coolness in July and
South Africa. It was you know, a couple of times
were a thousand feet and it was it was chilly.
It was it was froze, frost, and you know, we
were he was shooting at a really nice trophy and
you shake it. It was really kind of an odd thing.
(37:37):
So make sure that make sure that you prepare for
this very specific spot that you're going toward, uh to hunt.
It's gonna be maybe different than your home in Virginia
or Florida or wherever you live. That's that's the one
thing that I really wanted to add that really compliments
what these other fine fellows have said, and I really
(37:58):
wanted to emphasize that you you know, John's one hundred
percent right on the on the bullet selection. You know,
you can't use same bullets for every hunt, even if
you're using the same caliber of rifle or rifle. Make
sure that you know what game you're going after and
then choose that I ammunition based on, uh, you know,
(38:21):
what you think will be the most effective in again
the environment.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I mean that's when that's probably one of the bigger misconceptions.
I think what I would call the average hunter falls
into a trap. He thinks, you know, whatever amo he
is aligned himself with, and he says, well, that's what
my granddaddy used, and that's he killed white tail all
over the country with it. And he goes, Dad, Gummett,
(38:50):
that's what I'm going to take on my next ELK hunt,
you know, and it says it might not be the
right one. And and I think I think it's one
of the bigger miss conceptions out there, is bullet selection
and matching. That what John and Mike have said, Matt,
what are your final the shot?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
So I was just going to jump on that. And
I have educated multiple people firsthand by taking him to
the range with different weights of Ammo and showing them
how they can actually shoot better than what they're used to.
I mean, some people, the casual hunter will be like, ah, yeah,
that one or two just a flyer or whatever. Else.
He's like, Okay, you realize you could get like a
(39:31):
group of five dialed in if you just went the
next weight down or the next weight up. Actually just
did it this last fall to a guy, He's like,
I can't get decited. And he showed up my door
ands like, what's wrong with my rifle? He said, let's
go to the range. And I go. Before we go
to the range, I go by this box, this box,
this box and Ammo and he's like okay, and one
was one he already had, and then I gave it,
(39:52):
and I made him by two other weights, and we
sat down and trial and error, and I showed them
the differences of the same brand of Ammo, same bullet
three differ. But anyway, My parting shot, though, is something
that might be alluded to earlier, and it's why I
am so overly prepared in advance, because I have gone
on enough hunts of my own where I'm not prepared
(40:13):
that I don't enjoy the hunt because I don't have
enough clothes. I brought too much, so I'm sweating all
the time and I'm miserable, or I'm missing something to
make a creature comfort. I'm over prepared, so when I
get there, it's like I've got everything. Now all I
gotta do is go start walking around and finding the antelope,
or sit in my stand and wait for the deer
(40:34):
to show up so I can sit there and enjoy it.
In kJ T your point earlier, it's like, maybe because
I have kids, like I want to make sure they've
got everything so they're comfortable as little kids so they
can last longer. But it's just become a habit now
that it's like, no, I've got everything and I'm now
I'm there to just fully enjoy the two three days
that I've got with my kids and my buddies that
(40:55):
I'm out. And I would say that's the reason. To me,
that's the biggest reason to be prepared, is so you
can actually enjoy the experience of being out there for
if the moment happens or if it doesn't happen, then
God forbid the weather. All of a sudden it turns
eighty and October fifteenth, and you know, so you're not
going to see anything. But it's like, well, let's light
(41:15):
up a bonfire then.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, So that's what John, what's your final shot? Man?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You've had you've heard these guys talking about it. Any
final thoughts.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
I would say a lot of people focus way too
much on the caliber of the gun that they are
hunting with, the six five creed More two forty three
three women whatever. I would much rather a hunter bring
a gun that they can shoot accurately and are using
an appropriate bullet for whatever it is that they're hunting.
Bring it. You want to bring a two forty three
(41:51):
or sixty five creed More or something like that on
an no gun, or bring it to Africa. You bring
it with a good tough bullet that's going to penetrate
well whatnot, It's gonna work great.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're right, that's one hundred percent right on all accounts.
And here's my final shot. If you fail to prepare,
prepare to fail, all right, I mean that's just it.
I mean, on all accounts, whether it's planning and forgetting
your underwear or choosing the right bullet. I mean, you don't,
(42:24):
you don't prepare, probably gonna fail, all right, gun talk hunters,
That's it for me. kJ As always keeps those muscles
pointing in a safe direction and always be on the
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