December 28, 2025 • 50 mins
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-- Gazing into the ballistic crystal ball. What's ahead for the gun world in 2026?
Gun Talk 12.28.25 Hour 1
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-- What's it like to be part of the Gun Talk Family? Well, it's often a bit goofy, as shown by Ryan, Chris and KJ.
-- This past year was filled with new guns, and some of them were terrific. Here's the Best of 2025.
-- Gazing into the ballistic crystal ball. What's ahead for the gun world in 2026?
Gun Talk 12.28.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 4 (06:12):
Cheers Tom, Hey, welcome into gun Talk Radio. This week
on gun Talk Radio, We're gonna have a cast of
characters and I'm your guest host Tom Gresham. Wait a minute,
that's not right. I'm Ryan Gresham. I'm your guest host
Ryan Gresham, and we've got Kevin Jarnigan and Chris Sono
(06:32):
in the house. Tom is out because it's the holidays,
and he goes, hey, do you guys want to do this?
And we said yeah, So we're recording this show, so
you guys will have something to listen to while you're
I don't know, either taking your new guns out to
the range or avoiding your families or doing both at
the same time, whatever that might look like. And this
(06:55):
is a time of year where we just got through
Christmas and people get gifts and some of us get
those long boxes under the tree. And hopefully people did
get those long boxes under the tree. So we're going
to talk about giving and getting guns for Christmas, right
(07:16):
ways to get people started when people are getting their
first gun. We're also going to talk about predictions for
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
We made it. We made it, guys.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I didn't think it would be now about thirteen months ago,
right before like November fifth, you were thinking, are we
gonna make it till next year?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Is this like this is going to be weird? But
you can talk, Chris, It's okay.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Well, I thought I could have my phone in here
on silent and just in case I needed information. But
apparently it's going to vibrate.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And I'm going to hear it. I think kJ can
feel it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I can hear it. Anxi keeps you alive. They're buzzing
in your in your pocket.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
You know. Oh my god, the radiation just filtering into you.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Into my I die, through my memorl artery, into my
brain and making me just a little more entertaining than normal.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
That's scary.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
All right.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
We already have Wesley's in the house. Wesley, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
We are And if you're listening to this on radio,
I'll give you a little explanation. There's a lot of
things going on right now. So we are live on
gun Talk's Facebook page while we record this episode because
we thought it'd be fun to bring the audience in.
You guys who follow us on Facebook. This is kind
of a quick and dirty put the phone on a
stand and see what happens. But if you're listening to
(08:36):
this and you want to see what happened, you can
see it on the Facebook. But we're also filming it,
so it'll be on gun Talks YouTube, Facebook X. I
don't know somewhere else, right, you got to be everywhere.
It'll be everywhere.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And we just got picked up by some affiliates in
Cleveland area, so you're going to have gun Talk on
some of those AM and FM Cleveland stations.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Say Willoughby is that what it's called. It's something it's
said eleven thirty or thirteen thirty, you know what.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'll pull it up from you guys, and we'll welcome
some of our new stations in because it is it
is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
We got some new ones. So, uh but Willoughby Willoby, Ohio?
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:23):
It's up north, sitting up by Ashtabulah, and that's a
big deer hunting area out there, so there should be
people that are in that it Ashtabulah, Ashtabulah, you say it?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yes, all right, So guys, let's talk about We already
have some some comments here. Gibbs says, I gave my
head carpenter a ten twenty two this year because he
never had one. Dude never had a ten to twenty two.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Gibbs a good man, he knows what to do.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I gave some of the good people in my life
guns this year.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, because I got people that and I'm allowed to
hunt in their property. I got a guy that comes
to my house and takes care of my air conditioning.
You know how important that is in Louisiana. I mean,
he'll come to my house when I'm out hunting or
doing fun things and then he'll be like, man, you're
up and run and everything's good. How much you owe you?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
You don't know? Mean nothing? Can I get what? Who lives? Staccatos?
You're getting the gun whether you like it or now.
He's on the vert.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
He's on the verge this season for about four staccatos,
and I'm pretty sure he's gonna want.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
The cash instead. Yeah, we need a lot of cash
for that car. I got a big job coming up.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, so so yeah, I mean people were giving guns.
Have you gotten guns or given guns? Uh for for
Christmas or in the past.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I've got I remember my first one I got and
I listed it on here. We put a poll up
on Facebook on you know, what's the gun you got
for Christmas or gave for Christmas? And my first one
was an H and R H four ten, that crack
barrel crack barrel four ten. That was my first gun
that I ever got. I hated that gun.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You hated that gun?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Why?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I hated because like.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
So much kick behind that thing for a little like
sixty seven year old.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean a lot. It's a lot of you know.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So I had a conversation with a buddy this week,
and that's where a lot of people start out as
a four ten, and a lot of people will probably
start out with that exact gun, a grack barrel four
to ten. Yeah, it is a great place to start
as far as okay, it's about as small as you
can get on what is as small as you can
get on a shotgun. However, the four to ten, if
(11:37):
you're really going to try to break clays or shoot
birds in the sky, it's tough because there's just it's
a thimbleful of shot. There's not a lot of shot
flying through the air. And the other thing is if
you want to give that to a youngster who's six seven,
eight years old, you still need to load light loads
in there. Light four ten loads. Because my buddy, he
(12:00):
didn't know, he just got some four ten shells.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Let's load up.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
It was three inch four to ten shells, and his
son was it was just a little overwhelming for him,
the kick, the recoil, the noise. He was like, ah,
I think I'm gonna go back to the old BB
gun for a year. So, you know, starting him off
the right way or a ten twenty two take down
that would be perfect.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, because they make them in like smaller sizes, little
backpacker models and all that.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
That'd be great. And I'll say this too.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I mean you you that's true for adults as well. Okay,
so this is, you know, first time shooting a gun.
You don't have to hand even if it's you know,
your your new southern law who is twenty five years old.
You don't have to hand him at twelve gage unless
you maybe dislike him, which you know, go for it,
I guess, But I mean hand him a twenty two,
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whether that's a rifle or a pistol, load up at
four to ten or a twenty gage with some light stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Start them off the right way. Chris, what do you
think I still love the I mean, yes, doesn't like
a four to ten. My kids got four to ten combo,
the old hn R combo four ten, twenty two, which
was great, But twenty twos. I mean my youngest or
my oldest started with a Ruger ten what's I call
(13:16):
a twenty two forty five and he was seven. But
he was a big boy. He knew how to shoot.
He had shot baby guns and stuff, and he just
loved He just was a shooter from the day he
started pressing triggers. But not everybody's like that. And you know,
ten twenty two kJ, I believe is the finest gift
anyone can get. And I remember my first one. I'm
(13:37):
sure I bought it for myself. But you know, I
would have no problem with buying a dozen and giving
them out over the holidays to family.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah, I all, I would. I would say maybe the
best gift. Maybe because here on a comment we had
from Eddie last many years ago, a girlfriend gave me
a Romanian AK seventy four for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well, it sounds like he's not with this girl anymore.
What's going on? He had a gun? I guarantee he
has that. It does not work out, Like, are you
kidding me? She's a keeper?
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yeah? Come on? What he got to keep the gun?
I mean to keep the gun?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Oh? You know.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Then there's Joel in Georgia, and Georgia buys Joel a
gun every year. Yeah, and this year she got him
a beautiful pistol uh Springfield prodigy. And she just always
and you know, she always comes to one of us
and says, hey, would Joel like this? He said once one,
of course he's gonna like it.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You know, we actually have a lot of women who
listen to gun talk radio, and uh, for women listening
out there, this is no brainer stuff. I mean, if
you buy a gun for your boyfriend, your husband, whatever,
he's probably gonna love it.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I mean, it doesn't most doesn't.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Matter what gun, because even if it's kind of like whatever,
it's just a but it's a gun.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
It's fun. Never get tired of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So we said we were going to talk about twenty
twenty five best of twenty twenty five a look back,
and then also i'll look forward so when we can
go through some and I'd love to see what people
are commenting online about this. I mean we kind of
discussed it yesterday. If you want, I can kick it
off and we can just start talking about this stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yes, I want to hear what your best of? All right,
twenty five top five?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
You're doing twenty five, that's well five, but I went
to public school, so there may be six or seven, okay,
I don't know. Or so I just started writing things down, okay,
big big stuff for twenty five.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And this is this is kind of gun related. The
Trump election.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I love that you put that on your list because
that was the day. I think everybody listening that their
blood pressure went down. Well, as a gun owner and
someone who cares about freedom and gun rights, what if
we were sitting here and we've been dealing with almost
a year of the other candidate who absolutely hates guns
(16:15):
and hates gun owners, and what could we be looking at?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Right?
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Can I say that would be probably for the gun companies,
that would be the best case scenario for them.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I mean they want to say we could lead to
more sales and more interesting guns, but I would rather
be on this side of the line.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This is where we need to be well, and we
can get into that too, because I'm kind of like
so tired of the fear buying of guns like in
Maria and people buying I've got five or ten or
thirty guns sitting in my closet and I've got stacks
of AMMO.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Hey man, go shoot the guns.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
That's the problem with the panic buying is people buy
gun that they think they should have, rather than buying
just what they want, when they want and enjoying that.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I think people forget how fun it is to go shooting,
to go target shooting, to go hunting, whatever your thing is,
even training even if it's like serious training long range
or defensive pistol. Yes, you're learning the skill, but it's
also fun. And believe it or not, doing two or
three days of a pistol class and shooting one thousand
(17:29):
rounds can also be relaxing because your brain can't think
about much else because you're you're concentrating on what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
You should be, Yeah, well you should be.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
And honestly, it's nice to buy something that's just fun
that you want rather than just thinking about defense because
everybody gets in defensive mode when when politics are bad
or you know, the country's in turmoil, they're thinking about defense.
And defense is great, and there's a lot of really
great defensive guns out and concealed carry is a big deal,
(18:04):
and that's defense. But your concealed carry guns should also
be guns that you shoot and enjoy.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, you know, I shouldn't be a gun that you
hate to shoot, right, Why you'll never shoot?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
You know, guns are actually a hobby and there's a
lot of different ways to enjoy them. So just a
challenge that I'm going to probably be thrown out to
people this whole next year is go shoot the guns.
I mean, we talk about this neat gun or this
neat optic or then whatever, but it's like, go shoot them.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I don't care if you don't buy a gun next year.
Go shoot the guns.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
But see, I don't think as like as a society,
we are not going to do that. Ryan, Like, I
really don't believe that people are willing to shoot their
stockpile that they've gathered and oh it, no, I may
need it one day. Well just go buy more, AMO,
just go buy more, go buy more, and like utilize
this stuff that you've already got, like cycle it out.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
And let me just go ahead and say this. So
I may need this AMMO, so I don't want to
shoot it. So let's just play this out for a second.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Here. I may need this AMMO.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Is about needing it for some catastrophic event. Is that
what we're kind of getting at, Like, Okay, the world's ending,
the Russians are coming, it's it's y two three k
or whatever the heck it is. However, you haven't been shooting,
so you don't have any skills. So you can throw
(19:30):
bullets into the air, but you can't hit anybody. And
if you're being overrun, by the Russians. In this make
believe scenario, you're spraying and praying, and I hope you
have a lot of bags loaded up, because you will
be overrun, because you're not hitting anything, because you have
no skills, because you never went and shot your guns.
So congratulations, go shoot it. Go to Palmeti State Armory
or wherever. Go buy more AMMO and stop being chicken
(19:54):
to shoot the stuff you've already purchased.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
All right, that's my rant.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
We'll talk more about twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 4 (22:13):
For thirty years, gun Talk Radio has been on the
air spreading that message of guns and freedom, Chris.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Freedom and which would probably bring us to where you
were going. From where you were at with number one,
you said, Man, the election and getting Trump in there
was a great thing, and I know that he's doing
great things, and I know you have another big one
on your list.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, well it kind of ties into this, right So,
so for those listening, if you're just tuning in, I'm
your guest host, Ryan Gresham. We've got Kevin Jarnagan, Chris
Serno from Team gun Talk here. Tom is taking the
day off rightfully. So, but we thought we're at the
end of the year, let's talk about year in review,
what was great this year? And maybe they will talk
(22:56):
about a flop or two as well in twenty five
and we'll talk about some addictions for twenty six, twenty
twenty six feels like the future even say that. But yeah,
I mean, the Trump election was a big deal. The
NFA two hundred dollars tax stamp is a giant deal
that we got passed through the big beautiful bill, and
(23:16):
now it's going into effect at the beginning of twenty
twenty six, so you will no longer have to pay
a two hundred dollars fee for purchasing a suppressor, a
short barrel rifle, a short barrel shotgun. You still will
have to pay the two hundred dollars if you're transferring
a machine gun that didn't come off of that deal.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
So but it is, it is a nice little thing.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
And then who knows what happens from there, because I
think it starts to open the door to go, wait
a minute, why are we doing this NFA thing? And
there are already lawsuits in place that I know we've
talked about on the show before.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
So that was a big one.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
A couple of things that I just were kind of
feel like more of like products side having some moments
this year. Twenty eleven pistols, I mean twenty eleven pistols
double stack nineteen elevens are crazy and all the brands
that are doing that with Springfield Prodigy Staccados. We've done
stuff with Jacob Gray which is sort of starting to
(24:12):
get to the higher end.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Timber in I Round one.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Kimber has their their two K eleven, the Mac Mac
nine DS double stack, which you know, we think of
these things as being really expensive, the SDS.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Arms and Mac being one of their brands.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I think it's under a thousand, it is, Yes, it
is a really nice gun.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
And SIG's got one now, the P two eleven to eleven.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yep, yeap. So that's one that we have not had
our hands on yet.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
So don't ask us what we think about it, because
we don't know yet.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
We'd be lying if we told you that.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But it is funny, right, we were saying yesterday like
this is not a new invention. A double stack nineteen
eleven goes back two decades or more.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I mean, the first one that came to mind for
me was Pair Ordnance and it was a forty five,
yes you know, I mean that, I mean, and then
it went to a nine and then dang, with a
nine you can shoot so much more. I think they
did a forty really a forty. I know there was
a lot of things out of course for competitions. I
mean that, Yeah, it was making power factor or something
(25:13):
like that.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah, I'm going to say one thing real quick about
that tax stamp thing. And now I'm going to order
two more suppressors as soon as the year comes in.
But I'm gonna get mine from Silencer Central. And I
love those people, and I know they're paying the tax
stamp right now, and I could order them right now,
but I'm waiting until it goes through and we're done
after January first, because I don't want to make my
good friends pay an extra four hundred bucks for nothing.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean, if they're already doing it, I think
they're good.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
I know, I know, O man, if it built in, yeah,
I yes, sure, I don't know, and I they're good.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
And I bought one last week. I bought a suppressor
last week. I was like, I'll pick it up after Jason,
and that was by it now.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And you buy one when you don't have to pay
the two hundred dollars because you still do't want to
pay two hundred dollars now because they're giving you that
two hundred dollars right The question is, and we don't
really know, is will the wait times for these NFA items, suppressors, SBRs,
whatever go up.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Well, we have to assume it's going to go up
because of the volume.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, However, the with them shutting down on the twenty six,
they're supposed to be revamping their system and getting their
ducts in an order in a row, and it should
be pretty smooth.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Still, it's not going to be. I don't think it'll
ever be what it was. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Other stuff that's on my list, I will say I
called it. I don't know if I'm saying this right,
but pepper ball guns, the Saber Burna, they're they're really
popular and I know they're doing a ton of marketing
and we don't have a ton of hands on with those.
I mean I've kind of played with I've actually shot
the Burna at like shot show at range day and
(26:52):
stuff now, and it's I mean, it shoots like a gun.
To mean, it's interesting, it's I don't know, you know,
it's interesting that it's having them.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
The only thing my thing is I want people to
be cautious of thinking it's a magic pill, because bullets
aren't even a magic pill. And you know, impact rounds,
pepper rounds, whatever, any kind of gas or you know
something you would ask brek or breathe in. Is still
you have to have You still got to have a plan,
(27:22):
be ready to run if.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
You have to, because if that's all you got, you
do need to run.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Nothing's a magic pill, there isn't. I mean, you shot
people with pepper spray. Oh yeah, it's for fun.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
No, he was a cop.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So and some of them react immediately and some don't
care perhaps right.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, yeah, there's a lot of people that just don't care.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Well, look, we're going to continue this conversation. We'd like
you to tune in and watch this and chime in
with your comments. You know what was really cool in
twenty twenty five in the world of guns, and what
do you expect for twenty twenty six. This is gun
Talk Radio on the air for thirty years. We will
be right back, all right, Welcome back to gun Talk
(28:09):
Live on the air for thirty years, and I'm your
guest host today, Ryan Gresham. When we've got our cast
of characters from Team gun Talk, Chris Reno, Kevin Jarnigan
and guys, we just added a bunch of radio stations
carrying the show, spreading the word of freedom across the country.
Fifty four news stations stations. Yeah, we've added, we're actually
(28:32):
added a new network. Radio America is carrying gun Talk
and offering out there two more radio stations. And some
people probably are familiar with some of the shows that
they carry, Chicks on the Right, the Dana Last Show,
the Dana Show. So we're kind of in that family
on Radio America. So we really appreciate it, and we
appreciate the new stations running the show. I mean, I'll
(28:53):
highlight a couple of them right now. We've got k
MET km E t AM and FM in Redlands, California,
part of the riverside San Bernardino area.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
We've got Cleveland, Ohio, where which is kind of your
home turf, Chris, this is w I int.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I don't know if they say w int, I don't know.
No w I in t AMFM, wille be in ash Taluba,
did I say right?
Speaker 8 (29:23):
No?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Tesh de bulas not that harm. He's not wearing his glasses.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
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So thank you all the stations that are running gun talk,
and hopefully if you're listening to this, thank the station
for running gun talk, because they don't hear from listeners
a lot saying hey, thanks for on the show. I
appreciate I listened to it. I'm a gun guy in
gal and it's good. So guys, we're talking about twenty
twenty five. You're in review things that were cool. I mean,
(30:10):
I'll wrap up my list real quick. I've got the
RXm Pistol was a giant neil from Ruger, and then
new optics cuts. You've got the CoA, You've got the
echelon cut, which maybe that was in twenty four Glock
introduced their Gen six with a new optics cut, not
the MOS system. The Ruger RXm has its own system.
(30:31):
So I mean those are just sort of the trends
looking back in twenty five that things are big.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
So I'll add this one quick thing. I went to
an aim Point event. I got to train with them.
See the CoA for the first time, which is CoA
And the first question I asked was what does CoA
stand for? In their response, absolutely nothing. Don't don't try
to make it something, don't try to figure out what
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it is.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
It's just to tell an optics application. Yeah, it is
like there could be something there. I don't know And
for those of you don't know what it is.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
It actually works like a ski boot if you've ever
gone skiing snow skiing. The optic goes in, the toe
goes in, it comes back down, and then it's actually
secured in the back, so you're not securing screws through
the optic.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
It's actually a pretty clever a heel. It is a
heel locking system that locks it in. It was. It
was impressive.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
My impression is, and we don't know this for a
fact yet because we haven't gotten a shot show, but
my impression is a point is going to be expanding
that footprint on other gun makers.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
They are after the first of the year, it'll come
out to other guns.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Okay, okay, what do you think kJ twenty five things
that were big.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Things that were big. Oh my godness, there's so much
innovation going on. In our industry right now, especially in
the twenty eleven market optics, whether it's you know, on
the PR side and what people are doing.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
But I see of greater.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Movement in a lot of the technology put into products,
whether it be glass or just you know, different.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Rangefinders.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
Like the amount of technology that is going into products
within the shooting community, I think was a big thing
because I think it springboards us into twenty six It
is true.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
And Chris, I know you've worked in manufacturing a little
bit for different gun companies and stuff like that, and
I'm kind of catching up to some of the tolerances
that they can keep. I mean, when I was at Glock,
they said that they were keeping like a gosh. I
have to go back and look at my notes, but
I want to say it was like five microns. On
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this particular manufacturing guys. A sheet of paper is ninety
seven microns thick and they're keeping five micron tolerances.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Amazing. What can be done now? It is amazing. And listen,
it all comes down to the people that are working
in those factories that are operating the machines. They've got
to watch the tools. They got to change the tools regularly.
They've got to keep doing those those testings.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
They've got fittings, they've got jigs, they've got all that
stuff that as parts are coming off, they're checking them
and you've got to make sure they're not asleep at
the wheel. So remember that the company itself is doing
the right thing. But there's all that trickle down effect.
So if something does end up oddus back, or you
get something that's just not right, you know, those things
are those things can happen. But these companies that we
(33:40):
deal with, and I haven't seen a company yet, and
I challenge you to say, you know, either of you,
to tell me if there's a company out there that
just doesn't care if you ended up getting something that
was wrong, They're going to fix it.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
They're always going to take care of it. Which lends you.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
It leads you to the idea that hey, when you
get these things, take them out, shoot them, use them,
and don't just blame something right away. Try some different things,
try different ammos, things like that, and make sure that
you're shooting properly. And that involves training. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Okay, So going back to what you were talking about
on little things that happened during the manufacturing process that
could cause issues with the fire itself. We had one
just a few weeks ago with a bolt gun, didn't.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
We Oh my gosh, yeah, and that was crazy. This
is a great, great story.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Yes, So we go in and we have the new
it's a new CZ six hundred plus czes known for
making qulowsome great gun, accurate as all get out. But
like we we we couldn't get the magazine to like
to load correctly.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Okay, there was something off, what was the problem. So
we took the gun out of the action several times.
We finally got it out of the action and I'm
working at the bench there and I find a white
stone I heard, I'm umping and click, and I go
what was that?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
What was that? And I was like, God, it's not
like were they put in the tumbler.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
There was a tumbling stone stuck behind the paddle for
the magazine release. We know from activating properly and probably
shooting it. Shooting it rolled it loose enough that it
finally fell out and then everything was right with the word.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
And that's probably, you know, a once in a million thing.
Yeah happened, But weird stuff can happen.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's you know, it's it's a reminder to go shoot
these guns that you bought and have been sitting in
your closet because maybe there's something that needs to be
tweaked on it. You don't assume that you can just
load it up and go shoot it. Hopefully that's the case.
But anyway, we'll be right back with more gun Talk
and we're gonna talk about twenty twenty six predictions.
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Speaker 5 (37:30):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Gun Talk Coast to coast live on the air for
thirty years and I'm your guest host, Ryan Gresham. And
if you like this stuff, you know, gun Talk does
more than just a radio show. We can you can
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Speaker 5 (38:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
We're not TikTok. We're not only and yet we're not
only fans. Yeah, that's that's very social. It's more personal.
I'm working on mine.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Oh boy.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
All right, So we're talking about a look back at
this year, twenty twenty five. It was a good year
for new things in the world of guns. Chris, you
said you have one that you wanted to bring up. Yeah,
I just wanted to bring up the one and it's
from kel Tech.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
And not everybody always thinks kell Tech is great, but
that new five to seven pistol that they brought out
ladyear was the most impressive thing that I saw at
shot Show. Honestly, I wouldn't mind having a couple of them,
just because they were so so fun to shoot in
(38:57):
five seven. They were so interesting and the price point
is right usually is for kill Tech.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I mean, honestly, it was.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
It was accurate, it was easy to load, it was
fun to shoot, and that could be one that you
would just buy because you thought it was neat Well.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
We did a five to seven media event here a
couple of years ago, because five to seven was kind
of having a moment. You had a lot of different
people bringing out new guns, and there were even new
loads for it, and all of us just enjoy shooting
it because it's got it packs a punch, it doesn't
have much recoil. What I asked a few different makers,
Ruger and Smith, is why can't there be a concealed
(39:40):
carry sized pistol that's in five to seven. One of
the answers I got was that it can't be done,
or it's really hard to do, just because the nature
of that cartridge. But Celtech did it, because that is
a fairly small gun.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
That's a very small gun. It's something you could throw
in a glove box, a center console. You could put
it in the glove on your side by side, and
it's handy, it's ready to use. No quick reloads, but
it holds twenty or twenty one rounds.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
That's a pretty good start. You might be able to
solve some problems with that. Do you have anything else
looking back at twenty five?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Man, I don't. I want to look forward to twenty
All right, let's hear that twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Now we just get out the tea leaves the hero cards,
try to start making some predictions of where are we going,
what are we going to see? And this one is
interesting because it's wide open. I mean, you have any
thoughts or predictions suppressors for everyone, everyone will be making them.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Yeah, that is my prediction. I think suppressors are the JAM.
I think the NFA knocking off the tax stamp. I
think that opens it up. I wouldn't even be surprised
if we saw more pistol type stuff.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
And now I'll say this for people that are apprehensive
about buying suppressor because of the fingerprinting, the photographing, all
the paperwork that goes into it. If you're doing it
with some of these big online companies. Now, once you're
in their system, the next one is I mean, GiB
you said you got your last one in seven days
(41:18):
because he was already in with Silence or Central. He
went in, he picked out some stuff because they're having
to buy one, get one, right, so why not buy
one get one.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
He did it.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
He got it in seven days because he was already
in the system. It's that first one you got to
get over that hurdle. Folks, get out there, buy one.
And Ryan, you and I were talking about how and
kJ we talk about all the time. It's like when
we have to shoot a gun that's not suppressed anymore.
When we're out there in the back working with guns
and we're filming, we have to shoot something unsuppressed, we
(41:49):
just don't like it anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I know, right, it's just so pleasant. It reduces the noise,
but it also produces recoil, which can help you be
a better shooter. You know, I think that we're going
to see cheaper suppressors, And you're right, kJ, We already
are seeing all these companies making making suppressors. Gun companies
are also suppressor companies, and we're going to see suppressors, soundsers,
(42:17):
whatever you're want to call them being under three hundred
dollars for inexpensive options.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
So that starts to be like an accessory.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
I mean, that's that's as it as expensive or as cheap,
as as you want to say it as put in
a red dot on a gun. So you just start
to be like, Okay, well kind of every gun should
have one on it, don't you think?
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (42:40):
But do I want to put a trigger in my
gun or do I want a suppressor? Well, trigger is great,
put a suppressor make I'll tell you what, I can
shoot a bad trigger on a suppressed gun a lot
better than I can put it shoot a bad trigger
on an unsuppressed gun.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
That's an interesting statement. Yeah, I think that that's and
then we have some comments from listeners. Gibbs says, low,
recoil ammo. Next big thing. I can see that spanding.
That's been some manyfacteers are recoil ammo. I think that's
a really good point. No one enjoys recoil and if
you can, you can shoot something with less. Smith and
(43:17):
Wesson Bodyguard two point zero that was kind of a
big one for this year as well.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
That was that was a really good one.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
So Ron, what do you what do you see coming
in twenty twenty six? What are your the things that
you're maybe what what are you hopeful for?
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Okay, so when we just talked about what was hot
this year, now I'm going to say I think that
the double stat ninety eleven's are going to become a
specialty thing and they've run their course, maybe because it's
just when it's when you're talking about two thousand dollars
for this gun. I mean, that's that's pretty that's that's
(43:56):
not an entry point for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
So it could calm down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I think that, But but I could be wrong because
if they keep doing things like oh it takes zigmags
or it takes glockmags or whatever, now it starts to
become maybe a workable platform.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Could you do a twenty eleven carbine Chris.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Uh din, No, gosh, you're like a double stack pistol
caliber carbing.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
Yeah, well we've got them.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
I mean we've got everything runs an M ANDT mag
or a blockmag right.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yes, so yeah, there you have it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
So for me, I think the twenty elevens are going
to continue to grow in popularity.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Really I do.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
All right, we'll be right back with more gun tup.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Filling in for Tom.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
We've got kJ, Chris and Ryan here, and we're talking
about the year in review. What was cool in twenty five?
What are the predictions for twenty twenty six? You know,
I feel like we're onto something here, Gibbs says, twenty
eleven comps which we keep going to like the whole
mitigating recoil because if you think about it, a gun
(45:28):
that has let's let's go to the extreme, that has
no recoil and no noise is fun to shoot. I mean,
pelaguns are fun to shoot. Yeah, twenty twos are fun
to shoot. I mean most maybe occasionally there's you know,
one out of ten folks who will go, yeah, the
big recoil and stuff is fun because.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
It blows you back or whatever. But who really is that?
I mean, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
We'll shoot a four or five eight lot, you know,
and go, well, that was exciting. Now I'll have to
go see the retina specialist. But to be able to
shoot a lot and shoot well low recoil, low noise,
it's going to help you be a better shooter. So,
whether that's silencers, compensators on guns, that does seem to
(46:13):
be a movement.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
It's not just about you. When you think about you
just said, low recoil, low noise. You know, it makes
it fun for you, No, it makes it fun for
people that aren't shooters. It makes it fun to take
out your wife, your girlfriend, your kids. It makes it
more fun for everybody that is intimidated by it because
(46:36):
you know, I talk about those fears in training all
the time, the fear, the fear of the muzzle blast,
the fear of recoil, which is a control fear, and
then the fear of performance. Well, a lot of those
things go away because performance surely increases, the recoil in
control certainly decreases. And then if you don't have that
muscle blast, you know that that's a you know, if
(46:59):
you can get rid of that flench in the blank
and all that, shooting just becomes more fun for everyone
to know.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
And we started off this hour by talking about people
getting guns for Christmas. Maybe it's a newer, you know,
a youngster, a newer shooter, and how do you get
him started the right way? Low recoil, AMMO suppressors, compensators
which make it maybe louder, but low recoil, you know,
and double up your hearing protection. Foamy's in your ears
(47:29):
with muffs on top. That's also going to help kind
of Okay, it's not as loud, it's not as blasty
for you. All of those things can help people just
enjoy it and get better quicker.
Speaker 6 (47:40):
Yeah, comps are great for reducing recoil, but I sat
next to Dan on the bench the other day and
I'd like to think my teeths have finally stopped being loose.
But then he said, but look are this gun recoils?
And I watched it and he was right. You know,
the gun didn't recoil at all, which is great, but
me as a new shooter standing next to it, saying
(48:01):
I don't want to shoot that. Yeah, I don't want
to shoot that. And he's like, well, I'm going to
put a spressure on it. Like, well, get one on
it fast. And that's where I think twenty twenty six
is going. With the abolishment of the tax stamp and
the fiees is a big deal. So you know, get
get a suppressor, don't you know, don't hesitate. That's where
(48:21):
I think twenty twenty nix is going.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Well, maybe it's like, okay, you've bought lots of guns
over the last five six years. Now it's time to
get the suppressor for these guns. Get the optics, get
it all sided in, take it out to the range,
get it squared away. So a lot of stuff going on,
and I think it's going to be great because yes,
(48:44):
manufacturing has improved, there's just a wealth of options for
people when we come back.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
Who's coming up in our guests for next hour? kJ oh.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
We got Pete shier Fryer from vortex Ed Vortex Optics.
You probably heard of them, well, they have a training
division and a whole training school and Pete is one
of their instructors. We're going to be talking about long
range shooting. We're gonna be talking about moa versus mill
and we're going to sort out all of this voodoo
(49:15):
for you because long range shooting, rifle shooting is very
popular these days, and there's a lot of techniques and
there's a lot of gear, and we're going to help
you sort that out.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
We'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Cheers Tom, Hey, welcome into gun Talk Radio. This week
on gun Talk Radio, We're gonna have a cast of
characters and I'm your guest host Tom Gresham. Wait a minute,
that's not right. I'm Ryan Gresham. I'm your guest host
Ryan Gresham, and we've got Kevin Jarnigan and Chris Sono
(06:32):
in the house. Tom is out because it's the holidays,
and he goes, hey, do you guys want to do this?
And we said yeah, So we're recording this show, so
you guys will have something to listen to while you're
I don't know, either taking your new guns out to
the range or avoiding your families or doing both at
the same time, whatever that might look like. And this
(06:55):
is a time of year where we just got through
Christmas and people get gifts and some of us get
those long boxes under the tree. And hopefully people did
get those long boxes under the tree. So we're going
to talk about giving and getting guns for Christmas, right
(07:16):
ways to get people started when people are getting their
first gun. We're also going to talk about predictions for
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
We made it. We made it, guys.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I didn't think it would be now about thirteen months ago,
right before like November fifth, you were thinking, are we
gonna make it till next year?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Is this like this is going to be weird? But
you can talk, Chris, It's okay.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Well, I thought I could have my phone in here
on silent and just in case I needed information. But
apparently it's going to vibrate.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And I'm going to hear it. I think kJ can
feel it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I can hear it. Anxi keeps you alive. They're buzzing
in your in your pocket.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
You know. Oh my god, the radiation just filtering into you.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Into my I die, through my memorl artery, into my
brain and making me just a little more entertaining than normal.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
That's scary.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
All right.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
We already have Wesley's in the house. Wesley, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
We are And if you're listening to this on radio,
I'll give you a little explanation. There's a lot of
things going on right now. So we are live on
gun Talk's Facebook page while we record this episode because
we thought it'd be fun to bring the audience in.
You guys who follow us on Facebook. This is kind
of a quick and dirty put the phone on a
stand and see what happens. But if you're listening to
(08:36):
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so it'll be on gun Talks YouTube, Facebook X. I
don't know somewhere else, right, you got to be everywhere.
It'll be everywhere.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And we just got picked up by some affiliates in
Cleveland area, so you're going to have gun Talk on
some of those AM and FM Cleveland stations.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Say Willoughby is that what it's called. It's something it's
said eleven thirty or thirteen thirty, you know what.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'll pull it up from you guys, and we'll welcome
some of our new stations in because it is it
is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
We got some new ones. So, uh but Willoughby Willoby, Ohio?
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:23):
It's up north, sitting up by Ashtabulah, and that's a
big deer hunting area out there, so there should be
people that are in that it Ashtabulah, Ashtabulah, you say it?
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yes, all right, So guys, let's talk about We already
have some some comments here. Gibbs says, I gave my
head carpenter a ten twenty two this year because he
never had one. Dude never had a ten to twenty two.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Gibbs a good man, he knows what to do.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Hey.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
I gave some of the good people in my life
guns this year.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, because I got people that and I'm allowed to
hunt in their property. I got a guy that comes
to my house and takes care of my air conditioning.
You know how important that is in Louisiana. I mean,
he'll come to my house when I'm out hunting or
doing fun things and then he'll be like, man, you're
up and run and everything's good. How much you owe you?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
You don't know? Mean nothing? Can I get what? Who lives? Staccatos?
You're getting the gun whether you like it or now.
He's on the vert.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
He's on the verge this season for about four staccatos,
and I'm pretty sure he's gonna want.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
The cash instead. Yeah, we need a lot of cash
for that car. I got a big job coming up.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, so so yeah, I mean people were giving guns.
Have you gotten guns or given guns? Uh for for
Christmas or in the past.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
I've got I remember my first one I got and
I listed it on here. We put a poll up
on Facebook on you know, what's the gun you got
for Christmas or gave for Christmas? And my first one
was an H and R H four ten, that crack
barrel crack barrel four ten. That was my first gun
that I ever got. I hated that gun.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You hated that gun?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Why?
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I hated because like.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
So much kick behind that thing for a little like
sixty seven year old.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Yeah, I mean a lot. It's a lot of you know.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So I had a conversation with a buddy this week,
and that's where a lot of people start out as
a four ten, and a lot of people will probably
start out with that exact gun, a grack barrel four
to ten. Yeah, it is a great place to start
as far as okay, it's about as small as you
can get on what is as small as you can
get on a shotgun. However, the four to ten, if
(11:37):
you're really going to try to break clays or shoot
birds in the sky, it's tough because there's just it's
a thimbleful of shot. There's not a lot of shot
flying through the air. And the other thing is if
you want to give that to a youngster who's six seven,
eight years old, you still need to load light loads
in there. Light four ten loads. Because my buddy, he
(12:00):
didn't know, he just got some four ten shells.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Let's load up.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
It was three inch four to ten shells, and his
son was it was just a little overwhelming for him,
the kick, the recoil, the noise. He was like, ah,
I think I'm gonna go back to the old BB
gun for a year. So, you know, starting him off
the right way or a ten twenty two take down
that would be perfect.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, because they make them in like smaller sizes, little
backpacker models and all that.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
That'd be great. And I'll say this too.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I mean you you that's true for adults as well. Okay,
so this is, you know, first time shooting a gun.
You don't have to hand even if it's you know,
your your new southern law who is twenty five years old.
You don't have to hand him at twelve gage unless
you maybe dislike him, which you know, go for it,
I guess, But I mean hand him a twenty two,
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whether that's a rifle or a pistol, load up at
four to ten or a twenty gage with some light stuff.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Start them off the right way. Chris, what do you
think I still love the I mean, yes, doesn't like
a four to ten. My kids got four to ten combo,
the old hn R combo four ten, twenty two, which
was great, But twenty twos. I mean my youngest or
my oldest started with a Ruger ten what's I call
(13:16):
a twenty two forty five and he was seven. But
he was a big boy. He knew how to shoot.
He had shot baby guns and stuff, and he just
loved He just was a shooter from the day he
started pressing triggers. But not everybody's like that. And you know,
ten twenty two kJ, I believe is the finest gift
anyone can get. And I remember my first one. I'm
(13:37):
sure I bought it for myself. But you know, I
would have no problem with buying a dozen and giving
them out over the holidays to family.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah, I all, I would. I would say maybe the
best gift. Maybe because here on a comment we had
from Eddie last many years ago, a girlfriend gave me
a Romanian AK seventy four for Christmas.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well, it sounds like he's not with this girl anymore.
What's going on? He had a gun? I guarantee he
has that. It does not work out, Like, are you
kidding me? She's a keeper?
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yeah? Come on? What he got to keep the gun?
I mean to keep the gun?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Oh? You know.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Then there's Joel in Georgia, and Georgia buys Joel a
gun every year. Yeah, and this year she got him
a beautiful pistol uh Springfield prodigy. And she just always
and you know, she always comes to one of us
and says, hey, would Joel like this? He said once one,
of course he's gonna like it.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You know, we actually have a lot of women who
listen to gun talk radio, and uh, for women listening
out there, this is no brainer stuff. I mean, if
you buy a gun for your boyfriend, your husband, whatever,
he's probably gonna love it.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I mean, it doesn't most doesn't.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Matter what gun, because even if it's kind of like whatever,
it's just a but it's a gun.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
It's fun. Never get tired of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So we said we were going to talk about twenty
twenty five best of twenty twenty five a look back,
and then also i'll look forward so when we can
go through some and I'd love to see what people
are commenting online about this. I mean we kind of
discussed it yesterday. If you want, I can kick it
off and we can just start talking about this stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yes, I want to hear what your best of? All right,
twenty five top five?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
You're doing twenty five, that's well five, but I went
to public school, so there may be six or seven, okay,
I don't know. Or so I just started writing things down, okay,
big big stuff for twenty five.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And this is this is kind of gun related. The
Trump election.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I love that you put that on your list because
that was the day. I think everybody listening that their
blood pressure went down. Well, as a gun owner and
someone who cares about freedom and gun rights, what if
we were sitting here and we've been dealing with almost
a year of the other candidate who absolutely hates guns
(16:15):
and hates gun owners, and what could we be looking at?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Right?
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Can I say that would be probably for the gun companies,
that would be the best case scenario for them.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I mean they want to say we could lead to
more sales and more interesting guns, but I would rather
be on this side of the line.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This is where we need to be well, and we
can get into that too, because I'm kind of like
so tired of the fear buying of guns like in
Maria and people buying I've got five or ten or
thirty guns sitting in my closet and I've got stacks
of AMMO.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Hey man, go shoot the guns.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
That's the problem with the panic buying is people buy
gun that they think they should have, rather than buying
just what they want, when they want and enjoying that.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I think people forget how fun it is to go shooting,
to go target shooting, to go hunting, whatever your thing is,
even training even if it's like serious training long range
or defensive pistol. Yes, you're learning the skill, but it's
also fun. And believe it or not, doing two or
three days of a pistol class and shooting one thousand
(17:29):
rounds can also be relaxing because your brain can't think
about much else because you're you're concentrating on what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
You should be, Yeah, well you should be.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
And honestly, it's nice to buy something that's just fun
that you want rather than just thinking about defense because
everybody gets in defensive mode when when politics are bad
or you know, the country's in turmoil, they're thinking about defense.
And defense is great, and there's a lot of really
great defensive guns out and concealed carry is a big deal,
(18:04):
and that's defense. But your concealed carry guns should also
be guns that you shoot and enjoy.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah, you know, I shouldn't be a gun that you
hate to shoot, right, Why you'll never shoot?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
You know, guns are actually a hobby and there's a
lot of different ways to enjoy them. So just a
challenge that I'm going to probably be thrown out to
people this whole next year is go shoot the guns.
I mean, we talk about this neat gun or this
neat optic or then whatever, but it's like, go shoot them.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I don't care if you don't buy a gun next year.
Go shoot the guns.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
But see, I don't think as like as a society,
we are not going to do that. Ryan, Like, I
really don't believe that people are willing to shoot their
stockpile that they've gathered and oh it, no, I may
need it one day. Well just go buy more, AMO,
just go buy more, go buy more, and like utilize
this stuff that you've already got, like cycle it out.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
And let me just go ahead and say this. So
I may need this AMMO, so I don't want to
shoot it. So let's just play this out for a second.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Here. I may need this AMMO.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Is about needing it for some catastrophic event. Is that
what we're kind of getting at, Like, Okay, the world's ending,
the Russians are coming, it's it's y two three k
or whatever the heck it is. However, you haven't been shooting,
so you don't have any skills. So you can throw
(19:30):
bullets into the air, but you can't hit anybody. And
if you're being overrun, by the Russians. In this make
believe scenario, you're spraying and praying, and I hope you
have a lot of bags loaded up, because you will
be overrun, because you're not hitting anything, because you have
no skills, because you never went and shot your guns.
So congratulations, go shoot it. Go to Palmeti State Armory
or wherever. Go buy more AMMO and stop being chicken
(19:54):
to shoot the stuff you've already purchased.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
All right, that's my rant.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
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Speaker 4 (22:13):
For thirty years, gun Talk Radio has been on the
air spreading that message of guns and freedom, Chris.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Freedom and which would probably bring us to where you
were going. From where you were at with number one,
you said, Man, the election and getting Trump in there
was a great thing, and I know that he's doing
great things, and I know you have another big one
on your list.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah, well it kind of ties into this, right So,
so for those listening, if you're just tuning in, I'm
your guest host, Ryan Gresham. We've got Kevin Jarnagan, Chris
Serno from Team gun Talk here. Tom is taking the
day off rightfully. So, but we thought we're at the
end of the year, let's talk about year in review,
what was great this year? And maybe they will talk
(22:56):
about a flop or two as well in twenty five
and we'll talk about some addictions for twenty six, twenty
twenty six feels like the future even say that. But yeah,
I mean, the Trump election was a big deal. The
NFA two hundred dollars tax stamp is a giant deal
that we got passed through the big beautiful bill, and
(23:16):
now it's going into effect at the beginning of twenty
twenty six, so you will no longer have to pay
a two hundred dollars fee for purchasing a suppressor, a
short barrel rifle, a short barrel shotgun. You still will
have to pay the two hundred dollars if you're transferring
a machine gun that didn't come off of that deal.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
So but it is, it is a nice little thing.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
And then who knows what happens from there, because I
think it starts to open the door to go, wait
a minute, why are we doing this NFA thing? And
there are already lawsuits in place that I know we've
talked about on the show before.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
So that was a big one.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
A couple of things that I just were kind of
feel like more of like products side having some moments
this year. Twenty eleven pistols, I mean twenty eleven pistols
double stack nineteen elevens are crazy and all the brands
that are doing that with Springfield Prodigy Staccados. We've done
stuff with Jacob Gray which is sort of starting to
(24:12):
get to the higher end.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Timber in I Round one.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Kimber has their their two K eleven, the Mac Mac
nine DS double stack, which you know, we think of
these things as being really expensive, the SDS.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Arms and Mac being one of their brands.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I think it's under a thousand, it is, Yes, it
is a really nice gun.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
And SIG's got one now, the P two eleven to eleven.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yep, yeap. So that's one that we have not had
our hands on yet.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
So don't ask us what we think about it, because
we don't know yet.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
We'd be lying if we told you that.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
But it is funny, right, we were saying yesterday like
this is not a new invention. A double stack nineteen
eleven goes back two decades or more.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I mean, the first one that came to mind for
me was Pair Ordnance and it was a forty five,
yes you know, I mean that, I mean, and then
it went to a nine and then dang, with a
nine you can shoot so much more. I think they
did a forty really a forty. I know there was
a lot of things out of course for competitions. I
mean that, Yeah, it was making power factor or something
(25:13):
like that.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Yeah, I'm going to say one thing real quick about
that tax stamp thing. And now I'm going to order
two more suppressors as soon as the year comes in.
But I'm gonna get mine from Silencer Central. And I
love those people, and I know they're paying the tax
stamp right now, and I could order them right now,
but I'm waiting until it goes through and we're done
after January first, because I don't want to make my
good friends pay an extra four hundred bucks for nothing.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah, I mean, if they're already doing it, I think
they're good.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
I know, I know, O man, if it built in, yeah,
I yes, sure, I don't know, and I they're good.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
And I bought one last week. I bought a suppressor
last week. I was like, I'll pick it up after Jason,
and that was by it now.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And you buy one when you don't have to pay
the two hundred dollars because you still do't want to
pay two hundred dollars now because they're giving you that
two hundred dollars right The question is, and we don't
really know, is will the wait times for these NFA items, suppressors, SBRs,
whatever go up.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Well, we have to assume it's going to go up
because of the volume.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, However, the with them shutting down on the twenty six,
they're supposed to be revamping their system and getting their
ducts in an order in a row, and it should
be pretty smooth.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Still, it's not going to be. I don't think it'll
ever be what it was. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Other stuff that's on my list, I will say I
called it. I don't know if I'm saying this right,
but pepper ball guns, the Saber Burna, they're they're really
popular and I know they're doing a ton of marketing
and we don't have a ton of hands on with those.
I mean I've kind of played with I've actually shot
the Burna at like shot show at range day and
(26:52):
stuff now, and it's I mean, it shoots like a gun.
To mean, it's interesting, it's I don't know, you know,
it's interesting that it's having them.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
The only thing my thing is I want people to
be cautious of thinking it's a magic pill, because bullets
aren't even a magic pill. And you know, impact rounds,
pepper rounds, whatever, any kind of gas or you know
something you would ask brek or breathe in. Is still
you have to have You still got to have a plan,
(27:22):
be ready to run if.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
You have to, because if that's all you got, you
do need to run.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Nothing's a magic pill, there isn't. I mean, you shot
people with pepper spray. Oh yeah, it's for fun.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
No, he was a cop.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So and some of them react immediately and some don't
care perhaps right.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, yeah, there's a lot of people that just don't care.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Well, look, we're going to continue this conversation. We'd like
you to tune in and watch this and chime in
with your comments. You know what was really cool in
twenty twenty five in the world of guns, and what
do you expect for twenty twenty six. This is gun
Talk Radio on the air for thirty years. We will
be right back, all right, Welcome back to gun Talk
(28:09):
Live on the air for thirty years, and I'm your
guest host today, Ryan Gresham. When we've got our cast
of characters from Team gun Talk, Chris Reno, Kevin Jarnigan
and guys, we just added a bunch of radio stations
carrying the show, spreading the word of freedom across the country.
Fifty four news stations stations. Yeah, we've added, we're actually
(28:32):
added a new network. Radio America is carrying gun Talk
and offering out there two more radio stations. And some
people probably are familiar with some of the shows that
they carry, Chicks on the Right, the Dana Last Show,
the Dana Show. So we're kind of in that family
on Radio America. So we really appreciate it, and we
appreciate the new stations running the show. I mean, I'll
(28:53):
highlight a couple of them right now. We've got k
MET km E t AM and FM in Redlands, California,
part of the riverside San Bernardino area.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
We've got Cleveland, Ohio, where which is kind of your
home turf, Chris, this is w I int.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I don't know if they say w int, I don't know.
No w I in t AMFM, wille be in ash Taluba,
did I say right?
Speaker 8 (29:23):
No?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Tesh de bulas not that harm. He's not wearing his glasses.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
With Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Ohio areas. We've got some little
guys out there that you're going, wait, they're talking about
guns in Moab Utah, Price Utah, Sheardan, Wyoming, home of
the Cowboys, Weatherby, oh Home of Weatherby Firearms, and Lincoln, Nebraska.
(29:49):
So thank you all the stations that are running gun talk,
and hopefully if you're listening to this, thank the station
for running gun talk, because they don't hear from listeners
a lot saying hey, thanks for on the show. I
appreciate I listened to it. I'm a gun guy in
gal and it's good. So guys, we're talking about twenty
twenty five. You're in review things that were cool. I mean,
(30:10):
I'll wrap up my list real quick. I've got the
RXm Pistol was a giant neil from Ruger, and then
new optics cuts. You've got the CoA, You've got the
echelon cut, which maybe that was in twenty four Glock
introduced their Gen six with a new optics cut, not
the MOS system. The Ruger RXm has its own system.
(30:31):
So I mean those are just sort of the trends
looking back in twenty five that things are big.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
So I'll add this one quick thing. I went to
an aim Point event. I got to train with them.
See the CoA for the first time, which is CoA
And the first question I asked was what does CoA
stand for? In their response, absolutely nothing. Don't don't try
to make it something, don't try to figure out what
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it is.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
It's just to tell an optics application. Yeah, it is
like there could be something there. I don't know And
for those of you don't know what it is.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
It actually works like a ski boot if you've ever
gone skiing snow skiing. The optic goes in, the toe
goes in, it comes back down, and then it's actually
secured in the back, so you're not securing screws through
the optic.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
It's actually a pretty clever a heel. It is a
heel locking system that locks it in. It was. It
was impressive.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
My impression is, and we don't know this for a
fact yet because we haven't gotten a shot show, but
my impression is a point is going to be expanding
that footprint on other gun makers.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
They are after the first of the year, it'll come
out to other guns.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Okay, okay, what do you think kJ twenty five things
that were big.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Things that were big. Oh my godness, there's so much
innovation going on. In our industry right now, especially in
the twenty eleven market optics, whether it's you know, on
the PR side and what people are doing.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
But I see of greater.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Movement in a lot of the technology put into products,
whether it be glass or just you know, different.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Rangefinders.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
Like the amount of technology that is going into products
within the shooting community, I think was a big thing
because I think it springboards us into twenty six It
is true.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
And Chris, I know you've worked in manufacturing a little
bit for different gun companies and stuff like that, and
I'm kind of catching up to some of the tolerances
that they can keep. I mean, when I was at Glock,
they said that they were keeping like a gosh. I
have to go back and look at my notes, but
I want to say it was like five microns. On
(32:50):
this particular manufacturing guys. A sheet of paper is ninety
seven microns thick and they're keeping five micron tolerances.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Amazing. What can be done now? It is amazing. And listen,
it all comes down to the people that are working
in those factories that are operating the machines. They've got
to watch the tools. They got to change the tools regularly.
They've got to keep doing those those testings.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
They've got fittings, they've got jigs, they've got all that
stuff that as parts are coming off, they're checking them
and you've got to make sure they're not asleep at
the wheel. So remember that the company itself is doing
the right thing. But there's all that trickle down effect.
So if something does end up oddus back, or you
get something that's just not right, you know, those things
are those things can happen. But these companies that we
(33:40):
deal with, and I haven't seen a company yet, and
I challenge you to say, you know, either of you,
to tell me if there's a company out there that
just doesn't care if you ended up getting something that
was wrong, They're going to fix it.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
They're always going to take care of it. Which lends you.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
It leads you to the idea that hey, when you
get these things, take them out, shoot them, use them,
and don't just blame something right away. Try some different things,
try different ammos, things like that, and make sure that
you're shooting properly. And that involves training. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Okay, So going back to what you were talking about
on little things that happened during the manufacturing process that
could cause issues with the fire itself. We had one
just a few weeks ago with a bolt gun, didn't.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
We Oh my gosh, yeah, and that was crazy. This
is a great, great story.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Yes, So we go in and we have the new
it's a new CZ six hundred plus czes known for
making qulowsome great gun, accurate as all get out. But
like we we we couldn't get the magazine to like
to load correctly.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Okay, there was something off, what was the problem. So
we took the gun out of the action several times.
We finally got it out of the action and I'm
working at the bench there and I find a white
stone I heard, I'm umping and click, and I go
what was that?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
What was that? And I was like, God, it's not
like were they put in the tumbler.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
There was a tumbling stone stuck behind the paddle for
the magazine release. We know from activating properly and probably
shooting it. Shooting it rolled it loose enough that it
finally fell out and then everything was right with the word.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
And that's probably, you know, a once in a million thing.
Yeah happened, But weird stuff can happen.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's you know, it's it's a reminder to go shoot
these guns that you bought and have been sitting in
your closet because maybe there's something that needs to be
tweaked on it. You don't assume that you can just
load it up and go shoot it. Hopefully that's the case.
But anyway, we'll be right back with more gun Talk
and we're gonna talk about twenty twenty six predictions.
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Speaker 5 (37:30):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Gun Talk Coast to coast live on the air for
thirty years and I'm your guest host, Ryan Gresham. And
if you like this stuff, you know, gun Talk does
more than just a radio show. We can you can
listen to this on podcasting because that's kind of a
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shows that we put out. We have a show called
gun Talk Nation that I host. We have a show
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called gun Talk Hunt that kJ every year host. If
you want to dive into the hunting side of things,
and you know, listen to gun Talk whenever wherever you
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Speaker 5 (38:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
We're not TikTok. We're not only and yet we're not
only fans. Yeah, that's that's very social. It's more personal.
I'm working on mine.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Oh boy.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
All right, So we're talking about a look back at
this year, twenty twenty five. It was a good year
for new things in the world of guns. Chris, you
said you have one that you wanted to bring up. Yeah,
I just wanted to bring up the one and it's
from kel Tech.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
And not everybody always thinks kell Tech is great, but
that new five to seven pistol that they brought out
ladyear was the most impressive thing that I saw at
shot Show. Honestly, I wouldn't mind having a couple of them,
just because they were so so fun to shoot in
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five seven. They were so interesting and the price point
is right usually is for kill Tech.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I mean, honestly, it was.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
It was accurate, it was easy to load, it was
fun to shoot, and that could be one that you
would just buy because you thought it was neat Well.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
We did a five to seven media event here a
couple of years ago, because five to seven was kind
of having a moment. You had a lot of different
people bringing out new guns, and there were even new
loads for it, and all of us just enjoy shooting
it because it's got it packs a punch, it doesn't
have much recoil. What I asked a few different makers,
Ruger and Smith, is why can't there be a concealed
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carry sized pistol that's in five to seven. One of
the answers I got was that it can't be done,
or it's really hard to do, just because the nature
of that cartridge. But Celtech did it, because that is
a fairly small gun.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
That's a very small gun. It's something you could throw
in a glove box, a center console. You could put
it in the glove on your side by side, and
it's handy, it's ready to use. No quick reloads, but
it holds twenty or twenty one rounds.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
That's a pretty good start. You might be able to
solve some problems with that. Do you have anything else
looking back at twenty five?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Man, I don't. I want to look forward to twenty
All right, let's hear that twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Now we just get out the tea leaves the hero cards,
try to start making some predictions of where are we going,
what are we going to see? And this one is
interesting because it's wide open. I mean, you have any
thoughts or predictions suppressors for everyone, everyone will be making them.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
Yeah, that is my prediction. I think suppressors are the JAM.
I think the NFA knocking off the tax stamp. I
think that opens it up. I wouldn't even be surprised
if we saw more pistol type stuff.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
And now I'll say this for people that are apprehensive
about buying suppressor because of the fingerprinting, the photographing, all
the paperwork that goes into it. If you're doing it
with some of these big online companies. Now, once you're
in their system, the next one is I mean, GiB
you said you got your last one in seven days
(41:18):
because he was already in with Silence or Central. He
went in, he picked out some stuff because they're having
to buy one, get one, right, so why not buy
one get one.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
He did it.
Speaker 6 (41:26):
He got it in seven days because he was already
in the system. It's that first one you got to
get over that hurdle. Folks, get out there, buy one.
And Ryan, you and I were talking about how and
kJ we talk about all the time. It's like when
we have to shoot a gun that's not suppressed anymore.
When we're out there in the back working with guns
and we're filming, we have to shoot something unsuppressed, we
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just don't like it anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I know, right, it's just so pleasant. It reduces the noise,
but it also produces recoil, which can help you be
a better shooter. You know, I think that we're going
to see cheaper suppressors, And you're right, kJ, We already
are seeing all these companies making making suppressors. Gun companies
are also suppressor companies, and we're going to see suppressors, soundsers,
(42:17):
whatever you're want to call them being under three hundred
dollars for inexpensive options.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
So that starts to be like an accessory.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
I mean, that's that's as it as expensive or as cheap,
as as you want to say it as put in
a red dot on a gun. So you just start
to be like, Okay, well kind of every gun should
have one on it, don't you think?
Speaker 5 (42:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (42:40):
But do I want to put a trigger in my
gun or do I want a suppressor? Well, trigger is great,
put a suppressor make I'll tell you what, I can
shoot a bad trigger on a suppressed gun a lot
better than I can put it shoot a bad trigger
on an unsuppressed gun.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
That's an interesting statement. Yeah, I think that that's and
then we have some comments from listeners. Gibbs says, low,
recoil ammo. Next big thing. I can see that spanding.
That's been some manyfacteers are recoil ammo. I think that's
a really good point. No one enjoys recoil and if
you can, you can shoot something with less. Smith and
(43:17):
Wesson Bodyguard two point zero that was kind of a
big one for this year as well.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
That was that was a really good one.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
So Ron, what do you what do you see coming
in twenty twenty six? What are your the things that
you're maybe what what are you hopeful for?
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Okay, so when we just talked about what was hot
this year, now I'm going to say I think that
the double stat ninety eleven's are going to become a
specialty thing and they've run their course, maybe because it's
just when it's when you're talking about two thousand dollars
for this gun. I mean, that's that's pretty that's that's
(43:56):
not an entry point for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
So it could calm down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I think that, But but I could be wrong because
if they keep doing things like oh it takes zigmags
or it takes glockmags or whatever, now it starts to
become maybe a workable platform.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Could you do a twenty eleven carbine Chris.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Uh din, No, gosh, you're like a double stack pistol
caliber carbing.
Speaker 5 (44:31):
Yeah, well we've got them.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
I mean we've got everything runs an M ANDT mag
or a blockmag right.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Yes, so yeah, there you have it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
So for me, I think the twenty elevens are going
to continue to grow in popularity.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
Really I do.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
All right, we'll be right back with more gun tup.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Filling in for Tom.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
We've got kJ, Chris and Ryan here, and we're talking
about the year in review. What was cool in twenty five?
What are the predictions for twenty twenty six? You know,
I feel like we're onto something here, Gibbs says, twenty
eleven comps which we keep going to like the whole
mitigating recoil because if you think about it, a gun
(45:28):
that has let's let's go to the extreme, that has
no recoil and no noise is fun to shoot. I mean,
pelaguns are fun to shoot. Yeah, twenty twos are fun
to shoot. I mean most maybe occasionally there's you know,
one out of ten folks who will go, yeah, the
big recoil and stuff is fun because.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
It blows you back or whatever. But who really is that?
I mean, I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
We'll shoot a four or five eight lot, you know,
and go, well, that was exciting. Now I'll have to
go see the retina specialist. But to be able to
shoot a lot and shoot well low recoil, low noise,
it's going to help you be a better shooter. So,
whether that's silencers, compensators on guns, that does seem to
(46:13):
be a movement.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
It's not just about you. When you think about you
just said, low recoil, low noise. You know, it makes
it fun for you, No, it makes it fun for
people that aren't shooters. It makes it fun to take
out your wife, your girlfriend, your kids. It makes it
more fun for everybody that is intimidated by it because
(46:36):
you know, I talk about those fears in training all
the time, the fear, the fear of the muzzle blast,
the fear of recoil, which is a control fear, and
then the fear of performance. Well, a lot of those
things go away because performance surely increases, the recoil in
control certainly decreases. And then if you don't have that
muscle blast, you know that that's a you know, if
(46:59):
you can get rid of that flench in the blank
and all that, shooting just becomes more fun for everyone
to know.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
And we started off this hour by talking about people
getting guns for Christmas. Maybe it's a newer, you know,
a youngster, a newer shooter, and how do you get
him started the right way? Low recoil, AMMO suppressors, compensators
which make it maybe louder, but low recoil, you know,
and double up your hearing protection. Foamy's in your ears
(47:29):
with muffs on top. That's also going to help kind
of Okay, it's not as loud, it's not as blasty
for you. All of those things can help people just
enjoy it and get better quicker.
Speaker 6 (47:40):
Yeah, comps are great for reducing recoil, but I sat
next to Dan on the bench the other day and
I'd like to think my teeths have finally stopped being loose.
But then he said, but look are this gun recoils?
And I watched it and he was right. You know,
the gun didn't recoil at all, which is great, but
me as a new shooter standing next to it, saying
(48:01):
I don't want to shoot that. Yeah, I don't want
to shoot that. And he's like, well, I'm going to
put a spressure on it. Like, well, get one on
it fast. And that's where I think twenty twenty six
is going. With the abolishment of the tax stamp and
the fiees is a big deal. So you know, get
get a suppressor, don't you know, don't hesitate. That's where
(48:21):
I think twenty twenty nix is going.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Well, maybe it's like, okay, you've bought lots of guns
over the last five six years. Now it's time to
get the suppressor for these guns. Get the optics, get
it all sided in, take it out to the range,
get it squared away. So a lot of stuff going on,
and I think it's going to be great because yes,
(48:44):
manufacturing has improved, there's just a wealth of options for
people when we come back.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
Who's coming up in our guests for next hour? kJ oh.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
We got Pete shier Fryer from vortex Ed Vortex Optics.
You probably heard of them, well, they have a training
division and a whole training school and Pete is one
of their instructors. We're going to be talking about long
range shooting. We're gonna be talking about moa versus mill
and we're going to sort out all of this voodoo
(49:15):
for you because long range shooting, rifle shooting is very
popular these days, and there's a lot of techniques and
there's a lot of gear, and we're going to help
you sort that out.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
We'll be right back with more gun talk.
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