October 26, 2025 • 43 mins
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-- Best selling author Jack Carr delivers the backstory on his newest novel, Cry Havoc, which centers on the Vietnam war in 1968 and the secret special forces fighters of MACV-SOG.
-- When a traditional holster won't work, consider carrying with a chest rig.
-- From peep sights to optics, Skinner Sights makes guns shoot better.
Gun Talk 10.26.25 Hour 1
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-- Best selling author Jack Carr delivers the backstory on his newest novel, Cry Havoc, which centers on the Vietnam war in 1968 and the secret special forces fighters of MACV-SOG.
-- When a traditional holster won't work, consider carrying with a chest rig.
-- From peep sights to optics, Skinner Sights makes guns shoot better.
Gun Talk 10.26.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years. Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, be
part of it, Paul, Tom Talk gun. Now, here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Holy cow, what a week. I'm glad you are with us.
I'm Tom Gresham, I'm your host because no one else
will do this crazy stuff. Glad you could be with us.
We're gonna be having some fun today. We talk about
guns at the Second Amendment, and hunting and pretty much
anything it has to do with firearms and the world
of guns itself. A lot of things going on this week.
A lot of things have been happening, and we're going
to be catching you up with a lot of that
(00:58):
crazy story. Verretta, the Farmer's Company, has now purchased nine
percent of Ruger. What's going on, Well, we'll cover that
because it's a crazy story with Barretta going silent, not
answering calls, and now Ruger has introduced a poison pill
(01:19):
to their style. It just it's wacking dottle stuff. And
then we've got this big story where Glock of course
is announced that they're discontinuing practically all of their handguns,
everything except the single stacks. Well there's a reason behind it, well,
actually probably two reasons. One is that they really wanted
to clean up the line. But the other, of course,
is what's going on in California with the band on
(01:40):
glocks because they can be modified with the full auto switch.
It's illegal, of course, and Glock doesn't do it. But
here we are. We'll have more on that story as
we go along. And then of course we've got this
crazy dea where a gun control group, a gun band
group is actually introducing firearms training really and we said,
(02:03):
we have a field report on that, and yeah, just
as you expect, it's not really gun training. There's a
lot of things going on. And of course, if you
want to be a part of this, give me a
called eight six six talk gun, or just call me
a Tom talk gun. That'll get you in here. All right,
this is the fun part right now. The look, you know,
I'm a huge fan of Jack Carr's novels. He has
(02:27):
a brand new one out called cry Havoc, and we
have been able to grab him in the middle of
a nationwide whirlwind tour. Jack, thanks for taking me. Look,
just take a breath, would you. I know they got
you running like crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
That is true, they do. But I feel extremely fortunate.
But after hearing you talk about all the things going
on in the world of firearms, I think I'm gonna
just stay tuned in for the rest of your show
and it's just caught up. There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That is so unlikely because I know that you are
scheduled wall to wall right now. Because I got to
tell you. Look, you know I've read all your books.
This is this is my personal opinion. This is the
best by far you ever achieved a different level of
expertise and mastery in this one, KRII have is just
an amazing book.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Thank you, Thank you. This certainly took a lot more
I guess, time, energy, and effort than the others because
it is set in nineteen sixty eight, which took a
lot more time, not being a contemporary thriller. Just when
it comes to research and looking at if I want
to zoom in on let's say a city anywhere in
the world's contemporary setting. I can just zoom in and
check it out on Google Earth. I can do a
(03:33):
quick search about what's going on, what the politics are like,
who the players are, that sort.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Of a thing.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
But when you're talking about nineteen sixty eight, you have
to write every single sentence through the lens of nineteen
sixty eight without fifty plus years of hindsight. And when
you're talking about a place like Saigon now Hochiman City,
when you're talking about nineteen sixty eight when it was
still Saigon, it just takes a lot more time to do.
So it was supposed to come out in June. It
came out in October. But if you think that it
(03:59):
is the best one yet, it's certainly got so much effort.
And I'm gonna be recovering from this one for a while.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think I can imagine. All right, So we're said
in nineteen sixty eight, we're in Vietnam, and of course, you,
being a former Special Forces guy, a warrior, you had
to have a special feeling for the almost the originators
of Special Forces, the SAD Group, basically doing secret missions
into loos and Cambodia and North Vietnam. How did you
(04:29):
research that. Did you find some of these old guys
and talk to them about this?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I sure did. I was well aware of that Vietnam
was a watershed moment in special operations history in general,
because it was sustained combat operations year after year after year,
and at the end of Vietnam, we didn't really have
sustained combat operations up until September eleventh. We had flashpoints
at places like the Desert One in Panama and Mogadishu,
(04:56):
places like that, but we didn't have sustained combat operations.
I reached out to these guys who had been in
McVie saug, had them on my podcast, kept in touch
with them, read all their books, took notes, sent them chapters,
asked them questions on text, email, phone calls, because I
really wanted to honor not just them, but everyone who
stood up and went down range during that pivotal time
(05:17):
in our country's history, and wanted to get those details
right so that someone who had been there, or even
somebody who had been through the sixties wasn't taken out
of the story because of a detail that I got wrong.
So that was very important to me in crafting this story.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And of course, you know, being a gun guy, I'm
paying attention to all of that. I mean, you got
nineteen eleven, you got Burretta's, you got all sorts of
stuff you got, I mean, and these guys were actually
kind of creating it on their own, being able to
select the gear they wanted because there wasn't a standard.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
At that time, that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And they had a bunch of stuff that was used
at the OSS in World War Two, so they had
a bunch of things like that, and then they had
some some newer things too, like that. Car fifteen became
quite popular with these guys. For the first few years,
they couldn't have anything that had any US markings at
all on it because they were going into denied areas.
We weren't supposed to be in Lauds or Cambodia, so
(06:11):
they couldn't have anything that they had US markings on them.
But if you'd walked into my office anytime over the
past year, you would have thought that I was about
to invade North Vietnam, because I had maps from the
sixties all over the walls with red pushpins in them.
I had Car fifteen sitting there in the corner Randall Knife,
they go watches. It was like books everywhere it was.
It was quite something. Browning high Power sitting right there
(06:34):
keeping me company the whole time, my nineteen sixty eight Rolex,
which plays a part in the story. So I was
surrounded by artifacts of that era, so I could really
immerse myself in it, so I could take the reader
on this trip, essentially take a time machine back to
nineteen sixty eight and live to this espionage story in
the heart of Saigon.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
All right, you mentioned that. I just have to tell
you just this week. I have a nineteen sixty nine
roll Exit I got brand new. It was actually cost
one hundred and eighty dollars at the time, and took
it in for repair. If you haven't done it, go
get it appraised. It will frighten you what those things
go for. Now?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, I know, because I had. I didn't buy mine
in nineteen sixty eight or nineteen sixty nine. I bought
mine this a couple of years ago, so.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know the excuse to.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Finally get it, so I know how much they got
these days.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, what's the deal?
Speaker 5 (07:30):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
What's the deal with the Seiko watch. That was that
the thing at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, so a lot of guys wore Saco watches. There
was a We used to think there's about three that
were heavily associated with Special Operations Forces in Vietnam. There's
some pictures out there. Now there's a fourth. So about
four different Saco watches that were very popular with special
Operations forces. So that let's play a role in the
book as well.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Now we're talking with Jack Carr. He's the author of
Chris Havoc, the brand new novel. What's the deal? Also
with the shot through copies, where you actually shoot copies
of the book.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, so I shoot to the title page. Sometimes people
think that I shoot through the entire book, but that
would make it unreadable. So it's the title page.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But I do that to.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Support independent bookstores. So I shoot through the title page.
I shoot through fifty at a time, bind them together
between two pieces of cardboard, put them out there on
the range. I shot through these title pages with a
car fifteen, so it was appropriate to the era and
the story. And then I send them and I signed them,
and then I send them back to Simon and Schuster
and they get bound into the book. During the publishing process,
and they go out to independent bookstores. So it's a
(08:37):
way for me to support independent bookstores because you can
only get these signed first Aedesi edition shot through copies
from local independent bookstores, not from Amazon or anywhere else.
So it takes a little bit more effort to get them,
but it helps these independent bookstores that are competing against
the Amazon's and the big Barnes and Nobles, and it's
(08:57):
just there's just a little something I can do to
support them.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, and as a guy who loves to crawl through
independent bookstores. And the deal is, almost all of them
had cats in them. I don't know what the thing
is about independent bookstores. They all have cats in them.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
They think about that, Yeah, more than a few have cats.
I'm not sure exactly what the deal is. I guess
then I'll have to go ask. I'll have to find
out what say, they'll investigate and get back to you.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean, seriously, it is a really fine book. I
recommend it to anybody who likes guns, likes history, just
likes honestly good writing. And of course it is the
prequel to a lot of your other novels. So let
me be the next guy not the first, but the
next guy is say, okay, that was great, Jack. So
when am I going to have the next one? Right?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I know, I'm getting to work on it later today.
Actually I have the outline is there, and I'm working
on it right now. Also, he's got back from Syracuse
University doing some research into two pan Am one oh
three nineteen eighty eight over locker of the Scotland so
Walker nonfiction series as well. My first one was on
Beirute nineteen eighty three. The next one will be on
pan Am one oh three.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And then I had my first co written thriller coming
out next year as well, So going back to James
Reese for the Terminalist universe and then starting off another
series with the co written thriller, and then next targeted
nonfiction book will be on PanAm one o three. So
there's a lot in the work.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I cannot let you go without at least referencing. People
should be aware if they're not of I mean now
your novels are have become and are becoming more and
more television series.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Terminalist came out a couple of years ago, and uh,
and then we got de laid by a writer strike
which went on for about seven months and put us
behind by a year. So this summer we got a
prequel origin story series called Dark Wolf, went to a
number one on Prime video just like the Terminal List did.
And uh, and now we have we're doing. Last night
I did edits on True Believer, which is my second
(10:51):
novel and that should come out next summer starring Chris Pratt.
And I did yeah, I did lunch of the first
four episodes last night, giving my my edit on those backs.
So it is looking good. Just finished filming in Morocco
film from Morocco, South Africa and Hrono for that one,
and it is looking good. And the goal is always
to make the next series better than the current one,
and same thing with the books. I want every book
(11:12):
to be better than the last. I think C I
Havoc is the best yet and so the bar, the
bar is set for me to surpass on the next one.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well it sounds I can't wait because as I read
True Believer, I mean the parts of it where it's
in most of them beek. I'm thinking, man, this is
like a combination of Robert Ruerke and Wilbur Smith and
that's high praise my friends.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Well.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
We went to South Africa, right up there in the
Poclo province, so in the northeastern section of the country
there as close to Mozambique as we could get, and
the visuals that we got there, what we filmed, is incredible.
I cannot wait for everybody to see that next summer.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, congratulations, you're doing fine work. And I know it
is a lot of work, but we sure appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Oh, I sure appreciate.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I appreciate all the support, and thank you so much
for having me on. I always love talking to you.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
All right, you take care of the rest up from
that whirlwind tour. Jack Carr the novelist. The book is
Cry Havoc and I recommend it highly. I really enjoyed
reading that. All right. They thick stix talk gun. I'm
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Speaker 7 (14:26):
Tay on forty five here.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
Congratulations Tom, and I know it must have been really
fun and interesting, you know, having worked with John Browning
you know through most of those designs. So congratulations on
all your work in the fireman industry.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Gee, thanks smart guy. All right, welcome back. I'm Tom.
Just give me a hollow Tom Talk Gun. That's the
number here, or open lines. If there's something you've been
shooting or something you wanted to buy, give me a holler.
We'll talk about it. Had a neighbor last night. She
was telling me she and we helped her get started
and took out to the rain her first pistol because
(15:01):
she's living alone and a little bit concerned. And so
I said, well that's fine, but then here's some drills
you can do without AMMO until we get you out
to the range, because I want to get you out
and work on that, so we'll be may have some
reports on that as we go along, but we went
it's funny at this cocktail party, we're doing the four
Wheels of gun safety, and now we're doing finger guns
and we're doing safe pointing and if you've got to
(15:21):
move from here to there, how do you move? And
what do you do? It's like and everybody else at
the party is like going, yeah, I see what they're
doing over there, because they all got guns too. So
it's it's all fine, all right, So the and we're
going to talk about this throughout the show today. This
crazy story where Glock has discontinued their entire line of pistols.
(15:45):
I mean, it's it's it's pretty crazy right now. And
they've announced that they are discontinuing their pistols. They are
dropping all of the double stack I guess. I guess
they're holding on to the single stacks Partly. I think
it's where's two parts? Really. Some of it is that
they just needed to clean it up. They had way
(16:07):
too many models. They also are pretty much I'm pretty
sure they're getting rid of the three fifty seven cig
and the forty S and W models. Certainly the forty
five gap that's going away. But there's just very little
interest in forty s and W these days. The nine
(16:30):
has completely wiped it out. The forty five gap cartridge
gap for glock automatic pistol, there was never a need
for that. It just no, it didn't make any sense
at all. I mean, I know why it came out,
but it never sold and never did anything. So they
(16:50):
needed to clean that out, and they just had too
many models and who could figure it all out? So anyway,
they're all going away. And what's happening is that people
are going online and going into stores and buying up
the existing models like crazy. And there have been some
nutty good prices. I mean you'd think maybe they would
escalate the prices, but that's not what's happening. They actually
(17:12):
are cutting prices. A lot of places are, and so
what happens now, Well, the other part of it is
the second half of the story. California two weeks ago, yeah,
two weeks ago, passed a new law banning clocks. I
(17:33):
mean they didn't name them, but specifically it's said, you know,
described the way they worked and everything. The problem is
and you probably know about this imported from China. And
also people are three D printing them. There's a device,
an addition called a switch, a glock switch, and when
(17:54):
you put it in a glock pistol that converts it
from semeato to fullautom and gang bangers, thugs, murderers have
been modifying the glocks illegally, of course, I mean it's illegal,
and glock has nothing to do with and obviously avoids
the warranty and it violates federal law. But people have
been doing it in California. Then say, well, what does
(18:17):
band glocks? Oh great, even though glock didn't have anything
to do with that, glock was kind of in an
impossible position. It's like, what do you do? So anyway,
they bring it out that a new generation called the
V line vas in five, because of course we're glocks
(18:38):
are Gen five pistols right now. So the what would
you call it, Gen V basically changed so that you
can't put a switch in it. Those start December one,
So the current line goes away at the end of
(18:59):
November and the new line starts December one. And then
of course there are people who are saying, well, whether
it be a Gen six block, Well you gotta think yes,
of course, I mean, if there was a one two, three, four,
and five. Somewhere along the way sometime there probably will
(19:19):
be a Gen six, but that's not what this is.
This is gen V. It's weird. It's weird. It's just
like Gen X or something, pistols, but GENV. So you
can go online and you can find out more about it.
But that's what's going on there. And then of course
got this crazy story with Bretta now buying nine percent
of Ruger stock. I don't know what that's going to
(19:40):
be all about. We'll figure it all out, and then
go grab Eric online two out of Colorado Springs. Hey, Eric,
you're on gun Talk. What's up? Hi?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Tom So? I wanted to give you an update on
a call that I made a few months ago. Okay,
they remember some of my defensive AMMO got wet when
I took a little spill in the river off live
fishing right right week after we talked. I finally got
a chance to shoot off that AMMO. It shot off
just fine, but something occurred to me while I was shooting,
and I couldn't help. But wonder if there is some
(20:11):
sort of detrimental effect that happened over time and it
and now that I think about it, It makes me
wish that I would have saved some of that and
maybe shot it off next year just to test that.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, yeah, possibly, but I think probably anything that was
going to happen was going to happen right away. I
guess all I was going to do now is just
dry out.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I think, sure, sure. So I also wanted to give
a range report. I was thinking about getting a chest rig,
but I'd been having a really hard time finding one.
So a friend of mine that I shoot with, he
mentioned a company called Just Holster It out of New York,
so he said to reach out to them. Now, I'm
one of those weird guys I shoot. I run both
(20:51):
a laser and a red dot on my on my
MMP compacts, and I couldn't find anybody that made made
one for that common. So I reached out to the
mask if they could do that, and they said they could,
so we made it happen. About a week later, I
got the new Holster and it's a great, great Holster.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Hey, what's the what's the name of the company.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Called just Holster It?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Just Holster It?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Okay, Yes, And one of the great things about that
they're super nice guys. The Holster is fully adjustable, can't retention.
They also offered a you could get a spare mag
holder put on the on the shoulder strap, which I did,
and it's fully adjustable for retention. And so when I
(21:41):
got it, I put on all my gear, my waiters,
my pack as I run a chess pack, and I
wanted to make sure I could get to it with
all of that.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
All right, we're almost out of time. Give me the
final word on this. I got ten seconds left.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
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Their support is amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, perfect, very well done. That works just holstering. Yeah,
chest holsters. A lot of people have gone to those
for hiking, for waving, for hunting. Have you tried a
chest holster or is this something you would like to try?
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God a hunter shot at a grizzly who is charging him?
More details on that in just a few minutes. Here. First,
I want to talk with Joe. He's in Jefferson, Texas. Hey, Joe,
thanks for calling in. What do you got here? Well?
Speaker 5 (22:40):
I was recently gifted Ruger American predator in six' five
creed war. MAN i didn't have an, optic BUT i
had A skinner optic THAT i had purchased right after
a recent, surgery AND i took The skinner one to
six by twenty four off of my thirty Five remington
(23:04):
and put it on That ruger sighted it in a
couple of days, ago and both the rifle and the
optic did a great.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
JOB a lot of people are still unaware of The
skinner sites that they're known for making the iron sights
and aperture sites for lever. Actions they actually have a
whole line of rifle scopes and optics as well as other.
Things how did you find out about them when their their? Scopes,
WELL i.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Knew About andy and his optics for lever. Actions the
RIFLE i had it on originally was a more than
three thirty six and thirty Five, remington AND i never
got it sighted in because of my shoulder. Surgery SO
i had the, scope WHICH i got at a very
good price and put it on That ruger and the
(24:00):
six five is a whole lot easier on my shoulders
than that thirty five.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Rooms yes they would.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Be, YEAH i just did a great, job and it's
it's a very budget friendly.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Scope so what you're, playing what are you going to
do with this six.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Five this is my dear. HUNTING rifle i live up In.
Northeast texas my log is shot it would probably be
one hundred yards and that one to six is ideal
for My, Hunting, sitdario, Okay good.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm glad, you EXPLAINED because i, was thinking, all right
six To five creedmore it's kind of a, longer range,
you know and one to six is. Shorter range, but
yeah and now that you mentioned you're In, northeast texas
tell people Look, think Arkansas think louisiana a little bit
more than you think about how it looks as far
as being Like. In texas, so yeah you got wooded
(24:51):
areas and you get a little bit, shorter range and
obviously the six To five creedmore is going to work
at close range just like it does at. Longer.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
RANGES yeah i bore sighted it here at the house
about twelve feet away from, my optic took it to,
the range and my first three shots windage was dead.
ON elevation i was a little, bit HIGH but i now.
THAT then I think i sent maybe fifteen rounds, down
(25:19):
range just getting it as CLOSE as i possibly could,
dead on, and man it. Worked great.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Isn't it a pleasure to shoot a really light? Recoiling rifle.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
IT is i mean it's it's NOT an, ar fifteen
but it's not far.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
From, it yeah but it's still an honest four hundred
yard deer rifle if you ever. Needed that but, you
know at one, to two even three, hundred yards it's
a piece of cake and just it's not going to beat,
you up and it's used to shoot and you just
you don't even worry.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
About it it was a very. Pleasurable, experience well.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Good deal WELL look i appreciate. You do you give
them the. Shout out skinner sites and they Got the.
Skinner optics, good company. Good People andy sheeler are just.
Delightful people we like working with them and hang out
with them a little bit at. Shot Show so i'm
happy to give them a. Shout out so thank you
for that. Range report that's a, goodman man. All right,
(26:18):
you know if you got something on, YOUR mind i
range report obviously. Our, question yeah give me. A holler
we'll figure. It out there are probably people who are
right now, are thinking wait did he say one? To?
Six yeah one to six power. VARIABLE scope i really
like low powered variable scopes two, to five two, to
(26:43):
six two and a half, to, five whatever something along.
Those lines i've got one that's a two. To, SEVEN
yeah i would probably call that low. Power variable so
what can you do? With that pretty? MUCH anything i
had a one and a half to five loopholes one of.
My favorites i've used that for years, and Years and
(27:04):
i've shot stuff out to three hundred and. Fifty yards
actually got a desert big one ramp with that on
a most. UNLIKELY rifle a three point thirty eight wind
mag for a. SHEEP hunt i know it makes no sense,
at all and there were reasons, for it but it
worked just fine and through about three hundred and. Fifty
(27:25):
yards just do. Its thing here's. The reality if you've
got a five power scope and say you're shooting something
that's two hundred and fifty, yards, away well that five
time magnification makes it look five. Times closer so a
deer or a sheep or whatever it is at two
(27:47):
hundred and fifty yards now looks like it's fifty. Yards
away probably could hit something at, fifty, yards right you
can certainly. See. It well the other part of it,
is this and remember we always tell people when you're
out hunting and keep your scope on the lowest setting of.
The variable if you got a three, to nine keep it.
(28:09):
On three why want to? Do that if it's, close
up you want the wider field of you you get
with a, low power so you throw the rifle up
and you can find the animal if. It's close if
you are using a high power setting on, your scope
it could be hard to. Find it, it's, Like okay
i'm keep, scanning around, Scanning, around baby. It's there maybe
(28:32):
it's not going to hang around for. A while if it's,
further away, generally speaking you're not going to. Spook it
and generally speaking you have more time to just reach
over and twist the power ring up to a. Higher
setting so that's why we say keep it on the. Lowest,
setting well when you're down, at one one and a
half or even, two power you're. So fast that rifle
(28:57):
is really about as fast as. Iron Sites so i'm
a huge fan of the low powered variables and for
keep them on a. Low setting so there, You go,
skinner sites you can check that out. All right our
number here is eight. Sixty Six. Talk Gun I'm tom
gresham and we will be right back with more. Gun talk.
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North Idaho An eastern idaho hunter's fortune to. Be alive the,
story says after crossing paths recently by a, grizzly bear
a grizzly charge from, short range and hunter is able
to get his rifle up and get a shot in
there and kill the bear and. Had reported, of course
so there are more grizzlies and more grizsney encounters now
(32:04):
than we've had in, past years Particularly In. Northern Idaho,
North idaho montana heard a lot. Of reports some of
the hunters have changed actually what, they're carrying the rifle.
They're carrying people, who, said yeah, YOU know i used
to take a sixty five or two. Sixty Four now
i'm carrying three. Hundred magnum not because the deer or
(32:27):
the elk are, any different but because there's some higher likelihood
of running into. A grizzly it's an. INTERESTING thing i
remember Hunting On, raspberry island which is just Off Of.
Kodiak island they were hunting sick of black. Tail deer
a little bit, of deer it's one hundred pounds. Or
SO but i carried a big rifle because We got kodiak.
(32:48):
Bears there it's just one. Of, those yeah probably not
going to run, into one BUT if i do like
to have something a little bit larger in. My HANDS
if i have to stop and it's either too curious
or wants to take, the deer WHICH frankly i would let,
it have but it was to hurt me in, the process,
then okay THAT'S where i draw. The, line well it's
(33:09):
actually kind of similar to situations with carjackings and. Everything
else we'll talk about that in just. A minute First
of i'll Talk with elton Out of arkansas on. Line
four elton here On. Gun talk what you? GOT oh.
Speaker 13 (33:24):
I heard the fellow men to go talking About the skinner.
OF topics h, YEARS ago i Bought a ruger, number
one put a scope.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
ON it i do you?
Speaker 13 (33:35):
Like it my choice was the scope that was too big.
For it, you know it was kind of like having
a sail on the top Of.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
THE gunyah i call it a scope that's wearing a
rifle at, that, point right you?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Got it it was. Top heavy so even though the
number one is a pretty good, sized rifle it. Was
big but it shot. Real Well so skinner sites came
out with their first OPTIC and, i thought, YOU know
I think i'll take a look. AT that i, got
one mounted the. Thing up the FIRST thing i did
was checked the thing for brightness in. Dark situations checked parallax.
(34:17):
WAS there i did a ladder task. On it it
tracked perfectly and zero that thing And and i've been
using it for a deer rifle for the last four or.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Five YEARS do i read?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
This right this is this is a forty, Seventy.
Speaker 13 (34:36):
Yes and You know i've had no problem with the
recoil on. IT thing i shoot three hundred, grain bullets
but you, know it it does have a little bit,
of recoil but that the scope is tails up real
well for.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
No problem what made you decide to Try THE skinner.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
I was i was at one of, the shows Uh
Maybe safari CLUB or nra somewhere, like that and was
talking with the owner of the Company and, andy said,
You know i'm coming out with a. New scope THIS
was i believe in pretty Much in RENO and, i said,
YOU know I think i'd like to. Have ONE so i,
(35:22):
obtained one, and uh, you know it's, moderately price so,
you know you're always kind of wondering about some of
those that are mid mid price to lower whether they'll
hold up. Or not this one's a mid prize scope
and it's held up under forty Five seventy so WHAT
can i?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Such, Exactly, well okay we've gotten too and. THANK you
i appreciate the Calls for we've gotten two range of
forts now In The. Skinner optics if you want to
go check. THOSE out i just looked. It up skinner sites.
Dot com skinner sites. Dot, com uh You, got andy
that'll just be. Good stuff they mean. Good products they
(35:59):
also have some interesting soft goods. Gun cases they got listened.
Under accessories. There's one let me see IF it's i
find it here because, It was, oh yeah there. IT
is i had never seen. This before it's the conceal carry.
Garment bag, you know you know what a garment bag
(36:20):
is where you hang your coats in or stuff, like
that ins in. The, closet well this is just a.
Garment bag it's hanging in the closet along as you are.
The clothes when you open, it up it has provisions
for putting in, a, rifle, magazines pistols. Everything else it's
one of those kind of hiding and playing. Sight things
in terms, of security sometimes the best security is just
(36:44):
simply having somebody not be able to. Find it but
also it would give you somewhat. Quick access it's not,
instant access but it's. PRETTY cool, i mean it's a.
Neat thing a conceal carry garment bag Over At skinner sights.
Dot com pretty. Interesting stuff, Oh yeah. Michelle says and by,
The way christmas, Is coming, why yes, it is? Isn't
(37:07):
IT and i, have found through many years, of experience
the very best way to get exactly what you Want
for christmas Or, for birthday is to buy it, for
yourself no marking this IS what, i want or here's
(37:27):
a link. To it, no, no no. No no if
you want to make sure you get the right one
and it's not like the one right next, to it
or it's the one that's almost as good or close
to the, same color you want, the one then buy it.
For yourself for, heaven's sakes put a note. ON it
(37:47):
i say, thank, YOU dear i appreciate look what you.
Got me more than likely your spouse was going to
be really happy to say. You're welcome i'm glad you
took care. OF that, i, mean look the first few
years there's, a marriage you want to do all this
stuff for. Each other after while, you're thinking how do
you just get it. For yourself that way you're gonna
get what you Want and i'll. Be happy it takes
(38:09):
the pressure off. OF me i didn't screw up and
get you the. Wrong one so there. You go they
had a lot of. Cool stuff i'm just looking cruising
Around here. Skinner sites they do have a lot, of
stuff and their sites are. Really good their iron, sights
actually their peep sites are now being whimmed put on
as a. Original equipment now on some lever. Action rifles they're.
(38:32):
That good so if you want to dress up your,
lever action take a look, at those but also take
a look at the other things and the optics that
everything else, they have and you, know what they're. Good
people they've got a one to six and one to
four scope and, scope rings the, scope bounds and lots of.
Other stuff skinner sites dot com and. TELL andy, I, said,
hi okay, all right number here eight sixty six. Talk
(38:54):
gun that'll get you. In Here I'm, tom gresham and
don't forget to check out gun talk dot com and OVER.
ON x i am At. Gun talk be. Right back
well this, is interesting maybe. Not surprising i'm AT the,
(39:19):
neesgw Show A national Association Of Sporting. Goods wholesalers federal's
new seven millimeter backcountry cartridge Won The Best ammunition. Caliber
award this, is. Innovative ammo it's if you can imagine
this is meat, saying it and they probably, wouldn't agree
but IMAGINE a T eighty remington that goes a, lot
(39:43):
faster goes seven mag level or. Even faster what they
did was they used a different kind. Of case it's
A standard, bulfa size but they're getting three thousand feet
per second with one hundred and seventy grand bullet out
of a twenty. Inch barrel usually you got to have
a longer barrel twenty four or even twenty six inches
(40:03):
to get that kind. Of, velocity well why would you?
Want that well you. Might not but if you hunt
with a suppressor and you don't want to have a
twenty four or a twenty six inch barrel and then
stick a six, INCH wart i, call it. YOU know, i,
mean look suppressors, are great but they're long, and well some,
(40:24):
are long some are a little, bit shorter but generally
for something, like that you're going to want something that's
probably in the six. Inch, range well now that thing
just becomes long, and unwieldy, and okay let's cut the.
Barrel back, all right cut the. Barrel back you've lost
velocity in a. Standard, cartridge well this thing is. The
pressure internal pressure is eighty thousand psi on, this cartridge which.
(40:45):
Is amazing which, oh yeah by, the way they just
put out some Information that, federal, says okay now we've got,
reloading data so you because, everybody said that's, all great
but can you? Reload, these yeah now. You can so
they have information on their website and you can get
the reloading data now and you can make. Your, own so,
you know is this a cartridge that would? Interest you maybe,
(41:08):
it's specific it's kind of a narrow niche if. You
will but if you want to have a, shorter barrel
if you like shooting with our hunting with, a suppressor that,
would work or maybe you just like a. Shorter Barrel now,
i'm thinking if you've got the short barrel and a
magnum level EIGHTY thousand psi and you don't put us
(41:29):
a pressure, on it that's going to be one loud
son of. A gun i haven't shot it that. Way
before that would be kind of interesting to find out
we have we have to. Do that, but anyway that's
that's what's going. On there very. Interesting, Stuff okay so coming,
up shortly we're gonna be talking about this crazy Story
where bretta the firearms COMPANY, and barretta by, the way is.
(41:53):
Family owned it's, privately owned not. Publicly traded they have
now purchased nine one Percent of. Ruger's stock ruger is
a publicly, traded company you Can buy. Ruger, stock well
this was, startling surprising and of course the, question is what's?
(42:14):
Going on What what's? Barretta thinking they are they trying to,
take over, you know they wanting a seat on. The board?
WHAT happens, i Mean does ruger have to Share with barretta,
their plans share with? The competitor what's? Going on it's kind.
Of crazy And so bruger reached Out to bretta, and
said what's? GOING on i guess THE story i got
(42:35):
was that they would get radio silence nothing Back. From
barretta so there, AND look i don't know stock workings
and all, of that but there is a provision you
can put. Into stock they call it the poison. Pill
it we'll get more information on this in just a. Few,
minutes essentially when a Company, like bretta if they hit
(43:02):
ten Percent of, ruger stock a provision kicks in and
everybody else But not bretta can buy stock at fifty.
PERCENT off i, you know don't exactly know how. That
works we'll get more inside information. On that but it is,
a wacked little crazy story and we're just at the beginning.
Of it we don't know what, THIS means, i Mean
(43:23):
is bretta trying to Take? Over ruger do they just
want to incise information or is it just a straight.
OUT investment i think this is good stock to own
as part of. OUR portfolio i, don't know but it's fascinating.
Right now we'll have that story when we, come up.
Come back that, is also, of course we'll also be
talking about this gun control group that's now offering. Firearms training,
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He was the first and he's still the best. For
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
Holy cow, what a week. I'm glad you are with us.
I'm Tom Gresham, I'm your host because no one else
will do this crazy stuff. Glad you could be with us.
We're gonna be having some fun today. We talk about
guns at the Second Amendment, and hunting and pretty much
anything it has to do with firearms and the world
of guns itself. A lot of things going on this week.
A lot of things have been happening, and we're going
to be catching you up with a lot of that
(00:58):
crazy story. Verretta, the Farmer's Company, has now purchased nine
percent of Ruger. What's going on, Well, we'll cover that
because it's a crazy story with Barretta going silent, not
answering calls, and now Ruger has introduced a poison pill
(01:19):
to their style. It just it's wacking dottle stuff. And
then we've got this big story where Glock of course
is announced that they're discontinuing practically all of their handguns,
everything except the single stacks. Well there's a reason behind it, well,
actually probably two reasons. One is that they really wanted
to clean up the line. But the other, of course,
is what's going on in California with the band on
(01:40):
glocks because they can be modified with the full auto switch.
It's illegal, of course, and Glock doesn't do it. But
here we are. We'll have more on that story as
we go along. And then of course we've got this
crazy dea where a gun control group, a gun band
group is actually introducing firearms training really and we said,
(02:03):
we have a field report on that, and yeah, just
as you expect, it's not really gun training. There's a
lot of things going on. And of course, if you
want to be a part of this, give me a
called eight six six talk gun, or just call me
a Tom talk gun. That'll get you in here. All right,
this is the fun part right now. The look, you know,
I'm a huge fan of Jack Carr's novels. He has
(02:27):
a brand new one out called cry Havoc, and we
have been able to grab him in the middle of
a nationwide whirlwind tour. Jack, thanks for taking me. Look,
just take a breath, would you. I know they got
you running like crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
That is true, they do. But I feel extremely fortunate.
But after hearing you talk about all the things going
on in the world of firearms, I think I'm gonna
just stay tuned in for the rest of your show
and it's just caught up. There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That is so unlikely because I know that you are
scheduled wall to wall right now. Because I got to
tell you. Look, you know I've read all your books.
This is this is my personal opinion. This is the
best by far you ever achieved a different level of
expertise and mastery in this one, KRII have is just
an amazing book.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Thank you, Thank you. This certainly took a lot more
I guess, time, energy, and effort than the others because
it is set in nineteen sixty eight, which took a
lot more time, not being a contemporary thriller. Just when
it comes to research and looking at if I want
to zoom in on let's say a city anywhere in
the world's contemporary setting. I can just zoom in and
check it out on Google Earth. I can do a
(03:33):
quick search about what's going on, what the politics are like,
who the players are, that sort.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Of a thing.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
But when you're talking about nineteen sixty eight, you have
to write every single sentence through the lens of nineteen
sixty eight without fifty plus years of hindsight. And when
you're talking about a place like Saigon now Hochiman City,
when you're talking about nineteen sixty eight when it was
still Saigon, it just takes a lot more time to do.
So it was supposed to come out in June. It
came out in October. But if you think that it
(03:59):
is the best one yet, it's certainly got so much effort.
And I'm gonna be recovering from this one for a while.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think I can imagine. All right, So we're said
in nineteen sixty eight, we're in Vietnam, and of course, you,
being a former Special Forces guy, a warrior, you had
to have a special feeling for the almost the originators
of Special Forces, the SAD Group, basically doing secret missions
into loos and Cambodia and North Vietnam. How did you
(04:29):
research that. Did you find some of these old guys
and talk to them about this?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I sure did. I was well aware of that Vietnam
was a watershed moment in special operations history in general,
because it was sustained combat operations year after year after year,
and at the end of Vietnam, we didn't really have
sustained combat operations up until September eleventh. We had flashpoints
at places like the Desert One in Panama and Mogadishu,
(04:56):
places like that, but we didn't have sustained combat operations.
I reached out to these guys who had been in
McVie saug, had them on my podcast, kept in touch
with them, read all their books, took notes, sent them chapters,
asked them questions on text, email, phone calls, because I
really wanted to honor not just them, but everyone who
stood up and went down range during that pivotal time
(05:17):
in our country's history, and wanted to get those details
right so that someone who had been there, or even
somebody who had been through the sixties wasn't taken out
of the story because of a detail that I got wrong.
So that was very important to me in crafting this story.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And of course, you know, being a gun guy, I'm
paying attention to all of that. I mean, you got
nineteen eleven, you got Burretta's, you got all sorts of
stuff you got, I mean, and these guys were actually
kind of creating it on their own, being able to
select the gear they wanted because there wasn't a standard.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
At that time, that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
And they had a bunch of stuff that was used
at the OSS in World War Two, so they had
a bunch of things like that, and then they had
some some newer things too, like that. Car fifteen became
quite popular with these guys. For the first few years,
they couldn't have anything that had any US markings at
all on it because they were going into denied areas.
We weren't supposed to be in Lauds or Cambodia, so
(06:11):
they couldn't have anything that they had US markings on them.
But if you'd walked into my office anytime over the
past year, you would have thought that I was about
to invade North Vietnam, because I had maps from the
sixties all over the walls with red pushpins in them.
I had Car fifteen sitting there in the corner Randall Knife,
they go watches. It was like books everywhere it was.
It was quite something. Browning high Power sitting right there
(06:34):
keeping me company the whole time, my nineteen sixty eight Rolex,
which plays a part in the story. So I was
surrounded by artifacts of that era, so I could really
immerse myself in it, so I could take the reader
on this trip, essentially take a time machine back to
nineteen sixty eight and live to this espionage story in
the heart of Saigon.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
All right, you mentioned that. I just have to tell
you just this week. I have a nineteen sixty nine
roll Exit I got brand new. It was actually cost
one hundred and eighty dollars at the time, and took
it in for repair. If you haven't done it, go
get it appraised. It will frighten you what those things
go for. Now?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, I know, because I had. I didn't buy mine
in nineteen sixty eight or nineteen sixty nine. I bought
mine this a couple of years ago, so.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know the excuse to.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Finally get it, so I know how much they got
these days.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, what's the deal?
Speaker 5 (07:30):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
What's the deal with the Seiko watch. That was that
the thing at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, so a lot of guys wore Saco watches. There
was a We used to think there's about three that
were heavily associated with Special Operations Forces in Vietnam. There's
some pictures out there. Now there's a fourth. So about
four different Saco watches that were very popular with special
Operations forces. So that let's play a role in the
book as well.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Now we're talking with Jack Carr. He's the author of
Chris Havoc, the brand new novel. What's the deal? Also
with the shot through copies, where you actually shoot copies
of the book.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, so I shoot to the title page. Sometimes people
think that I shoot through the entire book, but that
would make it unreadable. So it's the title page.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But I do that to.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Support independent bookstores. So I shoot through the title page.
I shoot through fifty at a time, bind them together
between two pieces of cardboard, put them out there on
the range. I shot through these title pages with a
car fifteen, so it was appropriate to the era and
the story. And then I send them and I signed them,
and then I send them back to Simon and Schuster
and they get bound into the book. During the publishing process,
and they go out to independent bookstores. So it's a
(08:37):
way for me to support independent bookstores because you can
only get these signed first Aedesi edition shot through copies
from local independent bookstores, not from Amazon or anywhere else.
So it takes a little bit more effort to get them,
but it helps these independent bookstores that are competing against
the Amazon's and the big Barnes and Nobles, and it's
(08:57):
just there's just a little something I can do to
support them.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, and as a guy who loves to crawl through
independent bookstores. And the deal is, almost all of them
had cats in them. I don't know what the thing
is about independent bookstores. They all have cats in them.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
They think about that, Yeah, more than a few have cats.
I'm not sure exactly what the deal is. I guess
then I'll have to go ask. I'll have to find
out what say, they'll investigate and get back to you.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean, seriously, it is a really fine book. I
recommend it to anybody who likes guns, likes history, just
likes honestly good writing. And of course it is the
prequel to a lot of your other novels. So let
me be the next guy not the first, but the
next guy is say, okay, that was great, Jack. So
when am I going to have the next one? Right?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I know, I'm getting to work on it later today.
Actually I have the outline is there, and I'm working
on it right now. Also, he's got back from Syracuse
University doing some research into two pan Am one oh
three nineteen eighty eight over locker of the Scotland so
Walker nonfiction series as well. My first one was on
Beirute nineteen eighty three. The next one will be on
pan Am one oh three.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And then I had my first co written thriller coming
out next year as well, So going back to James
Reese for the Terminalist universe and then starting off another
series with the co written thriller, and then next targeted
nonfiction book will be on PanAm one o three. So
there's a lot in the work.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I cannot let you go without at least referencing. People
should be aware if they're not of I mean now
your novels are have become and are becoming more and
more television series.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Terminalist came out a couple of years ago, and uh,
and then we got de laid by a writer strike
which went on for about seven months and put us
behind by a year. So this summer we got a
prequel origin story series called Dark Wolf, went to a
number one on Prime video just like the Terminal List did.
And uh, and now we have we're doing. Last night
I did edits on True Believer, which is my second
(10:51):
novel and that should come out next summer starring Chris Pratt.
And I did yeah, I did lunch of the first
four episodes last night, giving my my edit on those backs.
So it is looking good. Just finished filming in Morocco
film from Morocco, South Africa and Hrono for that one,
and it is looking good. And the goal is always
to make the next series better than the current one,
and same thing with the books. I want every book
(11:12):
to be better than the last. I think C I
Havoc is the best yet and so the bar, the
bar is set for me to surpass on the next one.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Well it sounds I can't wait because as I read
True Believer, I mean the parts of it where it's
in most of them beek. I'm thinking, man, this is
like a combination of Robert Ruerke and Wilbur Smith and
that's high praise my friends.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Well.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
We went to South Africa, right up there in the
Poclo province, so in the northeastern section of the country
there as close to Mozambique as we could get, and
the visuals that we got there, what we filmed, is incredible.
I cannot wait for everybody to see that next summer.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, congratulations, you're doing fine work. And I know it
is a lot of work, but we sure appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Oh, I sure appreciate.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I appreciate all the support, and thank you so much
for having me on. I always love talking to you.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
All right, you take care of the rest up from
that whirlwind tour. Jack Carr the novelist. The book is
Cry Havoc and I recommend it highly. I really enjoyed
reading that. All right. They thick stix talk gun. I'm
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Speaker 7 (14:26):
Tay on forty five here.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
Congratulations Tom, and I know it must have been really
fun and interesting, you know, having worked with John Browning
you know through most of those designs. So congratulations on
all your work in the fireman industry.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Gee, thanks smart guy. All right, welcome back. I'm Tom.
Just give me a hollow Tom Talk Gun. That's the
number here, or open lines. If there's something you've been
shooting or something you wanted to buy, give me a holler.
We'll talk about it. Had a neighbor last night. She
was telling me she and we helped her get started
and took out to the rain her first pistol because
(15:01):
she's living alone and a little bit concerned. And so
I said, well that's fine, but then here's some drills
you can do without AMMO until we get you out
to the range, because I want to get you out
and work on that, so we'll be may have some
reports on that as we go along, but we went
it's funny at this cocktail party, we're doing the four
Wheels of gun safety, and now we're doing finger guns
and we're doing safe pointing and if you've got to
(15:21):
move from here to there, how do you move? And
what do you do? It's like and everybody else at
the party is like going, yeah, I see what they're
doing over there, because they all got guns too. So
it's it's all fine, all right, So the and we're
going to talk about this throughout the show today. This
crazy story where Glock has discontinued their entire line of pistols.
(15:45):
I mean, it's it's it's pretty crazy right now. And
they've announced that they are discontinuing their pistols. They are
dropping all of the double stack I guess. I guess
they're holding on to the single stacks Partly. I think
it's where's two parts? Really. Some of it is that
they just needed to clean it up. They had way
(16:07):
too many models. They also are pretty much I'm pretty
sure they're getting rid of the three fifty seven cig
and the forty S and W models. Certainly the forty
five gap that's going away. But there's just very little
interest in forty s and W these days. The nine
(16:30):
has completely wiped it out. The forty five gap cartridge
gap for glock automatic pistol, there was never a need
for that. It just no, it didn't make any sense
at all. I mean, I know why it came out,
but it never sold and never did anything. So they
(16:50):
needed to clean that out, and they just had too
many models and who could figure it all out? So anyway,
they're all going away. And what's happening is that people
are going online and going into stores and buying up
the existing models like crazy. And there have been some
nutty good prices. I mean you'd think maybe they would
escalate the prices, but that's not what's happening. They actually
(17:12):
are cutting prices. A lot of places are, and so
what happens now, Well, the other part of it is
the second half of the story. California two weeks ago, yeah,
two weeks ago, passed a new law banning clocks. I
(17:33):
mean they didn't name them, but specifically it's said, you know,
described the way they worked and everything. The problem is
and you probably know about this imported from China. And
also people are three D printing them. There's a device,
an addition called a switch, a glock switch, and when
(17:54):
you put it in a glock pistol that converts it
from semeato to fullautom and gang bangers, thugs, murderers have
been modifying the glocks illegally, of course, I mean it's illegal,
and glock has nothing to do with and obviously avoids
the warranty and it violates federal law. But people have
been doing it in California. Then say, well, what does
(18:17):
band glocks? Oh great, even though glock didn't have anything
to do with that, glock was kind of in an
impossible position. It's like, what do you do? So anyway,
they bring it out that a new generation called the
V line vas in five, because of course we're glocks
(18:38):
are Gen five pistols right now. So the what would
you call it, Gen V basically changed so that you
can't put a switch in it. Those start December one,
So the current line goes away at the end of
(18:59):
November and the new line starts December one. And then
of course there are people who are saying, well, whether
it be a Gen six block, Well you gotta think yes,
of course, I mean, if there was a one two, three, four,
and five. Somewhere along the way sometime there probably will
(19:19):
be a Gen six, but that's not what this is.
This is gen V. It's weird. It's weird. It's just
like Gen X or something, pistols, but GENV. So you
can go online and you can find out more about it.
But that's what's going on there. And then of course
got this crazy story with Bretta now buying nine percent
of Ruger stock. I don't know what that's going to
(19:40):
be all about. We'll figure it all out, and then
go grab Eric online two out of Colorado Springs. Hey, Eric,
you're on gun Talk. What's up? Hi?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Tom So? I wanted to give you an update on
a call that I made a few months ago. Okay,
they remember some of my defensive AMMO got wet when
I took a little spill in the river off live
fishing right right week after we talked. I finally got
a chance to shoot off that AMMO. It shot off
just fine, but something occurred to me while I was shooting,
and I couldn't help. But wonder if there is some
(20:11):
sort of detrimental effect that happened over time and it
and now that I think about it, It makes me
wish that I would have saved some of that and
maybe shot it off next year just to test that.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well, yeah, possibly, but I think probably anything that was
going to happen was going to happen right away. I
guess all I was going to do now is just
dry out.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I think, sure, sure. So I also wanted to give
a range report. I was thinking about getting a chest rig,
but I'd been having a really hard time finding one.
So a friend of mine that I shoot with, he
mentioned a company called Just Holster It out of New York,
so he said to reach out to them. Now, I'm
one of those weird guys I shoot. I run both
(20:51):
a laser and a red dot on my on my
MMP compacts, and I couldn't find anybody that made made
one for that common. So I reached out to the
mask if they could do that, and they said they could,
so we made it happen. About a week later, I
got the new Holster and it's a great, great Holster.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Hey, what's the what's the name of the company.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Called just Holster It?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Just Holster It?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Okay, Yes, And one of the great things about that
they're super nice guys. The Holster is fully adjustable, can't retention.
They also offered a you could get a spare mag
holder put on the on the shoulder strap, which I did,
and it's fully adjustable for retention. And so when I
(21:41):
got it, I put on all my gear, my waiters,
my pack as I run a chess pack, and I
wanted to make sure I could get to it with
all of that.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
All right, we're almost out of time. Give me the
final word on this. I got ten seconds left.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Fantastic holster. Check them out.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
They're great guys.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Their support is amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, perfect, very well done. That works just holstering. Yeah,
chest holsters. A lot of people have gone to those
for hiking, for waving, for hunting. Have you tried a
chest holster or is this something you would like to try?
(22:25):
God a hunter shot at a grizzly who is charging him?
More details on that in just a few minutes. Here. First,
I want to talk with Joe. He's in Jefferson, Texas. Hey, Joe,
thanks for calling in. What do you got here? Well?
Speaker 5 (22:40):
I was recently gifted Ruger American predator in six' five
creed war. MAN i didn't have an, optic BUT i
had A skinner optic THAT i had purchased right after
a recent, surgery AND i took The skinner one to
six by twenty four off of my thirty Five remington
(23:04):
and put it on That ruger sighted it in a
couple of days, ago and both the rifle and the
optic did a great.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
JOB a lot of people are still unaware of The
skinner sites that they're known for making the iron sights
and aperture sites for lever. Actions they actually have a
whole line of rifle scopes and optics as well as other.
Things how did you find out about them when their their? Scopes,
WELL i.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Knew About andy and his optics for lever. Actions the
RIFLE i had it on originally was a more than
three thirty six and thirty Five, remington AND i never
got it sighted in because of my shoulder. Surgery SO
i had the, scope WHICH i got at a very
good price and put it on That ruger and the
(24:00):
six five is a whole lot easier on my shoulders
than that thirty five.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Rooms yes they would.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Be, YEAH i just did a great, job and it's
it's a very budget friendly.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Scope so what you're, playing what are you going to
do with this six.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Five this is my dear. HUNTING rifle i live up In.
Northeast texas my log is shot it would probably be
one hundred yards and that one to six is ideal
for My, Hunting, sitdario, Okay good.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm glad, you EXPLAINED because i, was thinking, all right
six To five creedmore it's kind of a, longer range,
you know and one to six is. Shorter range, but
yeah and now that you mentioned you're In, northeast texas
tell people Look, think Arkansas think louisiana a little bit
more than you think about how it looks as far
as being Like. In texas, so yeah you got wooded
(24:51):
areas and you get a little bit, shorter range and
obviously the six To five creedmore is going to work
at close range just like it does at. Longer.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
RANGES yeah i bore sighted it here at the house
about twelve feet away from, my optic took it to,
the range and my first three shots windage was dead.
ON elevation i was a little, bit HIGH but i now.
THAT then I think i sent maybe fifteen rounds, down
(25:19):
range just getting it as CLOSE as i possibly could,
dead on, and man it. Worked great.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Isn't it a pleasure to shoot a really light? Recoiling rifle.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
IT is i mean it's it's NOT an, ar fifteen
but it's not far.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
From, it yeah but it's still an honest four hundred
yard deer rifle if you ever. Needed that but, you
know at one, to two even three, hundred yards it's
a piece of cake and just it's not going to beat,
you up and it's used to shoot and you just
you don't even worry.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
About it it was a very. Pleasurable, experience well.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Good deal WELL look i appreciate. You do you give
them the. Shout out skinner sites and they Got the.
Skinner optics, good company. Good People andy sheeler are just.
Delightful people we like working with them and hang out
with them a little bit at. Shot Show so i'm
happy to give them a. Shout out so thank you
for that. Range report that's a, goodman man. All right,
(26:18):
you know if you got something on, YOUR mind i
range report obviously. Our, question yeah give me. A holler
we'll figure. It out there are probably people who are
right now, are thinking wait did he say one? To?
Six yeah one to six power. VARIABLE scope i really
like low powered variable scopes two, to five two, to
(26:43):
six two and a half, to, five whatever something along.
Those lines i've got one that's a two. To, SEVEN
yeah i would probably call that low. Power variable so
what can you do? With that pretty? MUCH anything i
had a one and a half to five loopholes one of.
My favorites i've used that for years, and Years and
(27:04):
i've shot stuff out to three hundred and. Fifty yards
actually got a desert big one ramp with that on
a most. UNLIKELY rifle a three point thirty eight wind
mag for a. SHEEP hunt i know it makes no sense,
at all and there were reasons, for it but it
worked just fine and through about three hundred and. Fifty
(27:25):
yards just do. Its thing here's. The reality if you've
got a five power scope and say you're shooting something
that's two hundred and fifty, yards, away well that five
time magnification makes it look five. Times closer so a
deer or a sheep or whatever it is at two
(27:47):
hundred and fifty yards now looks like it's fifty. Yards
away probably could hit something at, fifty, yards right you
can certainly. See. It well the other part of it,
is this and remember we always tell people when you're
out hunting and keep your scope on the lowest setting of.
The variable if you got a three, to nine keep it.
(28:09):
On three why want to? Do that if it's, close
up you want the wider field of you you get
with a, low power so you throw the rifle up
and you can find the animal if. It's close if
you are using a high power setting on, your scope
it could be hard to. Find it, it's, Like okay
i'm keep, scanning around, Scanning, around baby. It's there maybe
(28:32):
it's not going to hang around for. A while if it's,
further away, generally speaking you're not going to. Spook it
and generally speaking you have more time to just reach
over and twist the power ring up to a. Higher
setting so that's why we say keep it on the. Lowest,
setting well when you're down, at one one and a
half or even, two power you're. So fast that rifle
(28:57):
is really about as fast as. Iron Sites so i'm
a huge fan of the low powered variables and for
keep them on a. Low setting so there, You go,
skinner sites you can check that out. All right our
number here is eight. Sixty Six. Talk Gun I'm tom
gresham and we will be right back with more. Gun talk.
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North Idaho An eastern idaho hunter's fortune to. Be alive the,
story says after crossing paths recently by a, grizzly bear
a grizzly charge from, short range and hunter is able
to get his rifle up and get a shot in
there and kill the bear and. Had reported, of course
so there are more grizzlies and more grizsney encounters now
(32:04):
than we've had in, past years Particularly In. Northern Idaho,
North idaho montana heard a lot. Of reports some of
the hunters have changed actually what, they're carrying the rifle.
They're carrying people, who, said yeah, YOU know i used
to take a sixty five or two. Sixty Four now
i'm carrying three. Hundred magnum not because the deer or
(32:27):
the elk are, any different but because there's some higher likelihood
of running into. A grizzly it's an. INTERESTING thing i
remember Hunting On, raspberry island which is just Off Of.
Kodiak island they were hunting sick of black. Tail deer
a little bit, of deer it's one hundred pounds. Or
SO but i carried a big rifle because We got kodiak.
(32:48):
Bears there it's just one. Of, those yeah probably not
going to run, into one BUT if i do like
to have something a little bit larger in. My HANDS
if i have to stop and it's either too curious
or wants to take, the deer WHICH frankly i would let,
it have but it was to hurt me in, the process,
then okay THAT'S where i draw. The, line well it's
(33:09):
actually kind of similar to situations with carjackings and. Everything
else we'll talk about that in just. A minute First
of i'll Talk with elton Out of arkansas on. Line
four elton here On. Gun talk what you? GOT oh.
Speaker 13 (33:24):
I heard the fellow men to go talking About the skinner.
OF topics h, YEARS ago i Bought a ruger, number
one put a scope.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
ON it i do you?
Speaker 13 (33:35):
Like it my choice was the scope that was too big.
For it, you know it was kind of like having
a sail on the top Of.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
THE gunyah i call it a scope that's wearing a
rifle at, that, point right you?
Speaker 13 (33:52):
Got it it was. Top heavy so even though the
number one is a pretty good, sized rifle it. Was
big but it shot. Real Well so skinner sites came
out with their first OPTIC and, i thought, YOU know
I think i'll take a look. AT that i, got
one mounted the. Thing up the FIRST thing i did
was checked the thing for brightness in. Dark situations checked parallax.
(34:17):
WAS there i did a ladder task. On it it
tracked perfectly and zero that thing And and i've been
using it for a deer rifle for the last four or.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Five YEARS do i read?
Speaker 3 (34:31):
This right this is this is a forty, Seventy.
Speaker 13 (34:36):
Yes and You know i've had no problem with the
recoil on. IT thing i shoot three hundred, grain bullets
but you, know it it does have a little bit,
of recoil but that the scope is tails up real
well for.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
No problem what made you decide to Try THE skinner.
Speaker 13 (35:00):
I was i was at one of, the shows Uh
Maybe safari CLUB or nra somewhere, like that and was
talking with the owner of the Company and, andy said,
You know i'm coming out with a. New scope THIS
was i believe in pretty Much in RENO and, i said,
YOU know I think i'd like to. Have ONE so i,
(35:22):
obtained one, and uh, you know it's, moderately price so,
you know you're always kind of wondering about some of
those that are mid mid price to lower whether they'll
hold up. Or not this one's a mid prize scope
and it's held up under forty Five seventy so WHAT
can i?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Such, Exactly, well okay we've gotten too and. THANK you
i appreciate the Calls for we've gotten two range of
forts now In The. Skinner optics if you want to
go check. THOSE out i just looked. It up skinner sites.
Dot com skinner sites. Dot, com uh You, got andy
that'll just be. Good stuff they mean. Good products they
(35:59):
also have some interesting soft goods. Gun cases they got listened.
Under accessories. There's one let me see IF it's i
find it here because, It was, oh yeah there. IT
is i had never seen. This before it's the conceal carry.
Garment bag, you know you know what a garment bag
(36:20):
is where you hang your coats in or stuff, like
that ins in. The, closet well this is just a.
Garment bag it's hanging in the closet along as you are.
The clothes when you open, it up it has provisions
for putting in, a, rifle, magazines pistols. Everything else it's
one of those kind of hiding and playing. Sight things
in terms, of security sometimes the best security is just
(36:44):
simply having somebody not be able to. Find it but
also it would give you somewhat. Quick access it's not,
instant access but it's. PRETTY cool, i mean it's a.
Neat thing a conceal carry garment bag Over At skinner sights.
Dot com pretty. Interesting stuff, Oh yeah. Michelle says and by,
The way christmas, Is coming, why yes, it is? Isn't
(37:07):
IT and i, have found through many years, of experience
the very best way to get exactly what you Want
for christmas Or, for birthday is to buy it, for
yourself no marking this IS what, i want or here's
(37:27):
a link. To it, no, no no. No no if
you want to make sure you get the right one
and it's not like the one right next, to it
or it's the one that's almost as good or close
to the, same color you want, the one then buy it.
For yourself for, heaven's sakes put a note. ON it
(37:47):
i say, thank, YOU dear i appreciate look what you.
Got me more than likely your spouse was going to
be really happy to say. You're welcome i'm glad you
took care. OF that, i, mean look the first few
years there's, a marriage you want to do all this
stuff for. Each other after while, you're thinking how do
you just get it. For yourself that way you're gonna
get what you Want and i'll. Be happy it takes
(38:09):
the pressure off. OF me i didn't screw up and
get you the. Wrong one so there. You go they
had a lot of. Cool stuff i'm just looking cruising
Around here. Skinner sites they do have a lot, of
stuff and their sites are. Really good their iron, sights
actually their peep sites are now being whimmed put on
as a. Original equipment now on some lever. Action rifles they're.
(38:32):
That good so if you want to dress up your,
lever action take a look, at those but also take
a look at the other things and the optics that
everything else, they have and you, know what they're. Good
people they've got a one to six and one to
four scope and, scope rings the, scope bounds and lots of.
Other stuff skinner sites dot com and. TELL andy, I, said,
hi okay, all right number here eight sixty six. Talk
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gun that'll get you. In Here I'm, tom gresham and
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well this, is interesting maybe. Not surprising i'm AT the,
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neesgw Show A national Association Of Sporting. Goods wholesalers federal's
new seven millimeter backcountry cartridge Won The Best ammunition. Caliber
award this, is. Innovative ammo it's if you can imagine
this is meat, saying it and they probably, wouldn't agree
but IMAGINE a T eighty remington that goes a, lot
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faster goes seven mag level or. Even faster what they
did was they used a different kind. Of case it's
A standard, bulfa size but they're getting three thousand feet
per second with one hundred and seventy grand bullet out
of a twenty. Inch barrel usually you got to have
a longer barrel twenty four or even twenty six inches
(40:03):
to get that kind. Of, velocity well why would you?
Want that well you. Might not but if you hunt
with a suppressor and you don't want to have a
twenty four or a twenty six inch barrel and then
stick a six, INCH wart i, call it. YOU know, i,
mean look suppressors, are great but they're long, and well some,
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are long some are a little, bit shorter but generally
for something, like that you're going to want something that's
probably in the six. Inch, range well now that thing
just becomes long, and unwieldy, and okay let's cut the.
Barrel back, all right cut the. Barrel back you've lost
velocity in a. Standard, cartridge well this thing is. The
pressure internal pressure is eighty thousand psi on, this cartridge which.
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Is amazing which, oh yeah by, the way they just
put out some Information that, federal, says okay now we've got,
reloading data so you because, everybody said that's, all great
but can you? Reload, these yeah now. You can so
they have information on their website and you can get
the reloading data now and you can make. Your, own so,
you know is this a cartridge that would? Interest you maybe,
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it's specific it's kind of a narrow niche if. You
will but if you want to have a, shorter barrel
if you like shooting with our hunting with, a suppressor that,
would work or maybe you just like a. Shorter Barrel now,
i'm thinking if you've got the short barrel and a
magnum level EIGHTY thousand psi and you don't put us
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a pressure, on it that's going to be one loud
son of. A gun i haven't shot it that. Way
before that would be kind of interesting to find out
we have we have to. Do that, but anyway that's
that's what's going. On there very. Interesting, Stuff okay so coming,
up shortly we're gonna be talking about this crazy Story
where bretta the firearms COMPANY, and barretta by, the way is.
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Family owned it's, privately owned not. Publicly traded they have
now purchased nine one Percent of. Ruger's stock ruger is
a publicly, traded company you Can buy. Ruger, stock well
this was, startling surprising and of course the, question is what's?
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Going on What what's? Barretta thinking they are they trying to,
take over, you know they wanting a seat on. The board?
WHAT happens, i Mean does ruger have to Share with barretta,
their plans share with? The competitor what's? Going on it's kind.
Of crazy And so bruger reached Out to bretta, and
said what's? GOING on i guess THE story i got
(42:35):
was that they would get radio silence nothing Back. From
barretta so there, AND look i don't know stock workings
and all, of that but there is a provision you
can put. Into stock they call it the poison. Pill
it we'll get more information on this in just a. Few,
minutes essentially when a Company, like bretta if they hit
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ten Percent of, ruger stock a provision kicks in and
everybody else But not bretta can buy stock at fifty.
PERCENT off i, you know don't exactly know how. That
works we'll get more inside information. On that but it is,
a wacked little crazy story and we're just at the beginning.
Of it we don't know what, THIS means, i Mean
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is bretta trying to Take? Over ruger do they just
want to incise information or is it just a straight.
OUT investment i think this is good stock to own
as part of. OUR portfolio i, don't know but it's fascinating.
Right now we'll have that story when we, come up.
Come back that, is also, of course we'll also be
talking about this gun control group that's now offering. Firearms training,
(43:46):
yeah right
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