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-- Drake Clark announces Magpul's new grip modules for the Ruger RXM pistol.
-- Is there a best plan for defense against terror attacks?
-- Last-minute Christmas gift ideas -- visit your local gun store.
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-- Drake Clark announces Magpul's new grip modules for the Ruger RXM pistol.
-- Is there a best plan for defense against terror attacks?
-- Last-minute Christmas gift ideas -- visit your local gun store.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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All right, we are back with you Tom Gresham's Gun
Talk and give you a call at eight six six
Talk Gun or Tom Talking. Done. A lot of things
going on with innovations, and it's you know, sometimes you think, well,
it's the big companies, the Rugers of the world and
the smith and Westerns. Well that's true, and then again
there some companies are actually probably a lot bigger than
you are aware of. And then we have two companies
(00:48):
that just got together, Ruger and Magpoll to bring out
what I think is one of the coolest, most interesting
and useful pistols in a long time, the Ruger r
X Sam and joining me to talk about that little bit,
Drake Clark from Magpole. Drake, thanks for being.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Here, Hey, Tom, thanks so much for having me appreciate
the invite.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh you bet. So what originally went into getting Ruger
and Magpole together to make the RXm?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Sure, you know this is an idea.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I think that was kind of circulating internally at Magpole
for some time, and you know, we were looking for
the right partner and it made a lot of sense
with what Rigor had to offer, you know, both by
way of brand palace and who they are.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
And the position they are, but also.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Their expertise in manufacturing high volume products. So they were
looking for a partner that could handle the polymer side
of things and kind of up their game in that world.
And we were looking, of course for a partner to
take some of the ideas that we had and be
able to develop those through a large manufacturer.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And put a good product out there for the folks.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So I'm taking it that Magpole did not want to
bring out a firearm on its own at this point.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's right. Yeah, we're you know, we're an accessory manufacturer.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We love that space, and we've got lots and lots
of partners in the business on the OEM side that build.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Guns every day, and then that's what they do best.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And really we realize the limitations of our experience and
our current production capability, and you know, focus really on
just the accessory side of the house.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
So the RXm is I guess you would say it's
a not exactly a spinoff, but maybe an improvement on
the glock GM three, And I think it's a real
improve it. For one thing, I really like the grip
angle better. I've never been able to handle the glock
frame as well, because I guess I grew up on
nineteen elevens and this one just feels like it's closer
(02:36):
to a nineteen eleven than it is a glock.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, a little different grip angle on.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
There really a lot of feedback from the years that
you know, other manufacturers have been building auto pistols out there,
and you know, we know what are the good features
and what are the features we'd like to see improved,
and and you know, it's tough when people call the
rx IM a glock clone. I really kind of shy
away from that terminology. It's quite a bit different gun.
Although there's quite a few parts compatibility between the Gen three.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Blocks and the RXm.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
You know, the heart of the beast, so to speak,
is really the fire control group there that's removable. That
allows you to change out the different sized grips, you know,
from a full size all the way down to a subcompact.
So you can do that without you know, cutting your
grip or without having to buy a new part. Because
again that the SCU or the fire control unit there
(03:28):
is the serialized part, right, so it allows you to
be able to change out that and be a little
bit more modular than some of the other platforms. Whereas
before you'd have to buy you know, a couple, two,
three different guns to fit different roles.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Now you can have one firearm.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And really change the accessories around that firearm to fit
the mission.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know, we'll toward that in the original R Exams
fifteen round magazine. And obviously you could use block bags
or block pattern mags. You can use you know megroal
mags in there. But now you just brought out a
new grip what do you call it a grip module.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, grip frame, grip module.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
There's lots of different names that folks are calling us,
but you know it's basically the palmer lower housing of
the grip frame. So we did launch the seventeen just
a couple of weeks ago, seventeen round full size frame. Boy,
those things are selling like hotcakes. Were quite impressed, and
we knew that there was going to be a good
demand for that and a lot of folks looking to
be able to get a little bit better control over
the pistol and have more surface area in contact.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
With the gun.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But we've got our ten round frame or our subcompact
frame that's right around the corner too, so we should
see that here hopefully by the end of the year.
It may push a little bit too, maybe closer to
shot show. So we're about a month or so away
from releasing that publicly, so we'll have you know. Of course,
the fifteen round original frame that you mentioned, the seventeen
that we just launched, and then the flush fit ten
(04:47):
round nag or are some subcompact model that'll be available,
and you know, I'm going to say in the coming weeks,
we're pretty close.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And let me guess, as soon as you bring out something,
they say, yeah, but what about this other? I want
it in fourteen different colors?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Sure, yeah, it's great. We offer a whole host of
different colors. So the fifteen round frame was almost.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Instantly available in the flat dark earth, the ode green gray.
Of course it comes from the factory in the black,
and then those other colors are going to carry on
over to the full size seventeen round and then the
subcompact ten round flush fit, so you'll see the four
standard colors offered in those models as well.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well. It is a pistol that I really like a lot.
I was not I will tell you I was not
prepared to like it. I thought, yeah, okay, you know,
it's just another big blockie striker fired gun, big deal.
You know, we've all seen them come and go. And
then I got to shoot it and went, wow, this
thing really works. And then we ran it through its
paces over at our range Range Ready studio. We took
(05:44):
a one of them, ran eight thousand rounds through it
without cleaning it and it never hiccup. It just kept running.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I mean, that's in my opinion, one of the best
things about this gun is that it's just boring reliability.
It was one of our goals was to really check
out box that we possibly could on a feature set
that the customer would want. And of course reliability is
one of those important ones. If you can't get over
that hurdle, it's hard to even pay attention to.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
The other features that are there.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So we were very, very pleased with the partnership and
Ruger and what we were able to create by by
way of a reliable nine mil you know, auto pistol platform.
So it's it's been it's been an exciting adventure for us,
and I think we nailed it.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think we've got a really good gun here.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And they've they've been doing good business and selling these things,
and they're they're definitely in circulation out there. Uh you know,
I go to my local range from time to time
and I'm even seeing just guys showing up there with them.
And you know, at the point that that's happened, and
I feel like we penetraated the market good with the product.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
We without giving away. I mean, I know that you know,
Ruger's public is traded and we all have NDA's with them,
and we can't talk about details, but it would be
pretty silly for us to think that is the last
thing you're going to be doing with them.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I would agree.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know, Ruger is a strong partner of ours and
we do good business with them, and we do have a.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Couple more things up our sleeve to keep your nose.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
To the ground in the future here and I think
in the coming months you're going to see some exciting
stuff come from the two brands.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, let's back way up. When Magpool got started, at
least the first thing I was really aware of was
the P mags. And I mean I think originally I
thought of Magpole as a mag company. Magazine company? Is
that correct?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Well, you go even farther back from the P mag.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It's a common misnomer, right, I would say, maybe our
flagship product now is the P mag but you go
back before the PMG And actually the namesake in the
company was the first product, so a mag Pole, which is.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
A not only the name of the company, but our.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
First product, which is a magazine removing aiding device that
it's basically a rubber boot that slides over the bottom
for sure aluminum magazine and it aids and being able
to remove it from a cargo pocket or from a
plate carrier. You know, our founder, Richard Fitzpatrick, came up
with this idea and like many of us, including myself,
(07:58):
when we carried a gun for a litle most of
our air fifteen M four and sixteen magazines that we carried.
We'd either do the five point fifty cords or a
little bit of duct taper on the bottom of them.
And you know, Richard, you know, it's like, hey, I
can come up with a solution that doesn't get gooey
and you don't have to replace over time, and it
would be an engineered solution for a common problem that
(08:19):
was out there.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
So that was really our first products. It's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I was just telling someone the story the other day
that someone asked me if I.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Worked for P mag. You know, they thought the name
of our businesses P mag.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And quite the contrary, right, it's actually another product that's magpol.
And a lot of folks don't know about the magpool
and still a popular product.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
We still sell it a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But I think really we started to get some global
recognition for the brand once we were developing magazines and
of course now building the primary magazine that is authorized
for combat with the Marine Corps and then authorized within
every branch of the service now and we do great
business over there, and I think our customers enjoy having
(08:59):
a quality man magazine that has a good lifespan and
just flat out.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Works Okay, that begs the question. A lot of people
would have said, well, we have magazines for ars, do
we need other magazines? What makes this a better magazine?
Or I guess maybe the real question is what makes
for a good magazine?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, I think you know, depending on the platform, you
could go down a whole host of different conversations.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
But I'll speak specific to the M four platform.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And you know, there's a lot of folks out there
that think, like, hey, I've used USG aluminum mags my
whole life and never had a problem whether the follower
was black or green or tan or whatever they were like,
and we never had a problem with that. And when
we looked at it, the exposure that we have to
rounds down range, whether it's in training or whether it's
in real life situations, we know that the aluminum mag
(09:48):
not only is it's not as reliable as it could be,
but it's also susceptible to use and wear in heavy,
extreme environments where the feedlips can be damaged and you
don't have a way to inspect those feed lips see
if they're damaged, and if they are, how they're going
to affect the gun until you're actually shooting the gun
and see that there's a malfunction. So we really had
a big focus on reliability initially, right.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
We wanted to ensure that we have the most.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Reliable magazine possible, that it was not influencing the overall
function of the firearm. I think maybe a close number
two would be pricing. You know, we knew that utilizing
injection molding technology with the right volumes.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
That we would be able to create a product that would.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Be not only more reliable than the illuminum the OSGi nags,
but that we would rival the cost as well. And
with those two combinations we were able to really penetrate
in and and you know, get these in front of
the largest manufacturers in the world, the largest end users,
and some of the you know, tip of the spears,
so to speak, of the guys that are like, hey,
(10:50):
we can see a difference. Right when you look at
like some of the HK four sixteen users in the
military back in the day, they were using HK steel
thirty round right USGI mags, and there's.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
A you know, a perception there that those were a great.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Magazine and as far as I know, you know, they
ran pretty good, but they were heavy, right, sure, quite
a bit heavier than than our pmags, So it was
another weight savings costs there. I think when you're looking
from a commercial end user side, all the things that
I mentioned are important, whether it's a liability.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
And costs, but aesthetics can be something too.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And you know, Magville has a design language that you know,
some describe it as just you know, blot out sexy
gun part.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I'm just going to say it's cool. You guys make
cool stuff. I mean, you got furniture for ars, You've
got any number of things, you got, gun cases, you've got.
I mean, just it keep goes on and on and
you never know what you guys are going to be
bringing out. Are we going to be seen some new
things that shot show this year?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Definitely.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I mean anybody that's been paying attention to brand for
for a period of time is and knows us for
diversification in our lineup, we know that we we've got
lots of ideas that are outside of the AAR fifty platform,
and you've seen that in recent years with the diversification
of different categories that we're playing in. So you know
you mentioned gun cases, We've recently got into both soft
(12:11):
and hard gun cases in our DOCA line, they've been
very successful and doing great.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Great products.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You know our DOCA grid system internal organization for our
rife cases as well, there's a pretty slick, reusable, reconfigurable setup.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So you know, we've got a lot of ideas.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
It's just a matter of applying those ideas into the
right areas that makes sense for our customers and for
our business.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, it sounds good. Look forward to seeing what you're
up to. I think what you're doing with Ruger's exciting.
I can't wait to see what you do next. Don't
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Speaker 3 (15:04):
Here's a topic we've talked about in the past, but
I'm thinking maybe the news of the day makes us
want to examine it again. It's simply this of having
another gun. Maybe it is the only gun you have,
but having a gun in your vehicle, and if it's
gonna be in the vehicle, why wouldn't you make it
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a long gun? Why would you want a long gun?
Let's see sixteen people dead so far in Australia, two
people maybe more dead in Rhode Island at Brown University,
multiple shooters, longer distances. Maybe you're carrying your handgun, maybe
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you're not. Even if you are. If something like this
starts to transpire and you have the ability, would it
not be comforting to be able to reach into your
vehicle and pull out an AR. Or I wait, your
aout of ninety four eleve action like John Wayne used,
(16:12):
and now at hundred yards you can deactivate the murderer. Hm.
Maybe you already do this. Maybe you already carry a
long gun a lot of people, and people call it
a truck gun, which is a cool name.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Now, we have folding stocks, We have all sorts of things,
things that make it easier to make a gun more compact.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
We have the.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Pistol caliber carbines, the pccs. You can get a long gun,
but in a pistol caliber nine millimeter forty five or
ooh ooh, I like the idea of a ten milimeter.
It's hard at one hundred yards, folding stock, nice and small.
Put a put a pistol mag in it, thirteen fifteen,
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seventeen thirty two rounds of m or of course it's
your basic AR. If you don't, maybe this is a
provocative Maybe it's not. If you don't own an AR.
Why not? No interest? Never wanted one? Have you tried one?
(17:27):
If you shot one? I don't know, just wondering. I mean,
it's not my favorite platform, I will freely admit. But
at the same time. I own several, maybe even a
lot of them. Why is that? Because it's an amazingly
(17:49):
good tool. It's easy to shoot, it's lightweight, it's ergonomic,
and depending on the cartridge it's chambered for, it has
very little recoil. I mean, look, ars are just simple. Yeah,
you gotta learn the buttonology on it. It has different
buttons and different switches. But this, come on, it's not
(18:09):
difficult to figure this out. You could handle it. So
I would just say maybe, maybe, maybe if you're thinking
about what am I going to get myself? Because we
know the best way to get what you want for
Christmas is to get it for yourself. Right, what am
I gonna get myself? How about an air? Or how
(18:30):
about another ar? They come in a lot of different flavors.
I saw one for three hundred and thirty four dollars
advertised recently, maybe the lowest price I've seen maybe ever.
I don't know now, is there three hundred and thirty
four dollars ar worth it? I don't know? Will it work?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, it'll work.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Is it going to be as good as a nice
fifteen hundred dollars? Of course not? I mean, look, come on,
give your list to get of course not. But maybe
it's your starter gun. Maybe it's your gateway going to
get into ars in that whole world, and you go, oh,
that's nice. I think I want a better one. Fine,
that'll work. There's just a lot to be said for
(19:15):
the platform, and going back to the original premise of
your truck gun, your vehicle gun, your if the stuff
hits the fan gun, let me tell you if you
got two guys, or six guys or twelve guys. And
I absolutely expect that to happen. I act completely expect
(19:42):
for these terror attacks to continue and to escalate, it
to grow and not be just one person or two people,
to be six people working as a team, and as
good as you are, as good as I might be
with my handgun, I don't really want to use my
(20:06):
little pistola against six people who have long guns. Just don't.
But and look, I don't want to take them home
with anything, honestly. But given a choice, if I have
an ar with an optic I could sit back at
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fifty yards or seventy five yards or one hundred yards
and I can shoot them. You can use whatever euphemism
you want for it, but we're talking about shooting people
who are trying to murder innocent people. That's what it's about.
And I can be precise if I need to. At
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certain distances, I can be a headshot and yeah, I
got a thirty round magazine if need be. Frankly, when
I have an ar in the vehicle, it's in a
case that has six other thirty round magazines with it.
(21:10):
Because why wouldn't you. I can't even imagine why you wouldn't.
Just kind of a how do you care? Well, yeah,
Michelle's saying, how are you going to carry a rifle
in a car? It has to be case for legal transport.
We yeah, maybe sometimes depends on where we are. If
you're going interstate, yes it does. If you're going in state,
(21:31):
and a lot of states, no, it doesn't. In a
lot of states like my state, I'm gonna have it
loaded and sitting in the passenger seat without a case.
So you got to know your local laws. Oh, so
you got to be smart about it. Understand that if
you're carrying a long gun in your vehicle, when you
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leave your vehicle, it's still in the vehicle. Now we
need to think about security. So a locked case and
maybe a case that is cable locked to the vehicle
so I can't be taken out. I don't know, And
that's an area I need to do a little more
study of. I don't know what the best practices solution
is to that. There are some nice ones where they
(22:15):
actually bolt a hard gun case to like the floor
of the back of the suv. Might not be a
bad way to go, if yes, some thoughts from that,
A suggestion of a good way to carry your long
gun in your vehicle to keep it secure and call
me all right, Beck quick if you want to call in,
(22:36):
give me a call Tom Talk Gun. That's the number,
Tom Talk Gun. Just dial that and that I'll get
you in here. Let's say Brandon did that line three
out of Illinois. Hey Brandon, Hey Tom.
Speaker 10 (22:48):
Great show.
Speaker 11 (22:49):
I'm a second time caller.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
I'm glad to get to speak with you again.
Speaker 11 (22:54):
I just wanted to talk about this civilian that took
out this terrorist.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
So just a just a quick question for you.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
You know what point would you would you stop? So
say you take the gun from the guy, say you
shoot him, Say you engage yourself with the other terrorists
on the bridge that was nearby. Also, I would be
worried that if once law enforcement arrived, could they confuse
me as a terrorist?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
What?
Speaker 11 (23:22):
How do you what would you say would be the
right thing to do, you know, kill the first terrorists
and lay the arms down or what.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Unfortunately there's no right answer, there's no perfect answer, but
you are absolutely correct to be thinking about it ahead
of time, which is, okay, what do I do?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Have you seen the video of the guy who grabbed
the gunman and took the gun away from him?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, I just watched it.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
The way he the way he snuck up on him
and grabbed him from the back as he's spinning around.
He disarms him and he does nim it at him,
but he didn't fire. He immediately lays the well, he
leans that gun up against the tree, and then you know,
the guy kind of takes off, thinking, wow, you're gonna
let me live. At that point, I'm thinking to myself,
I would have go ahead. I would have went ahead
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and executed that target.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Then what do you do that? In one report I
just saw I had not seen this anywhere else, said
that the guy he disarmed ran over to the other
shooter and got a gun from him, exactly.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
Like said before. If he would have had another gun
in his side, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, I would have smoked him. I mean, it's me
got to remember it's Australia, where once you take the
gun away from him, people say, oh, yeah, he's defenseless,
you know, blah blah blah blah. Okay great. As far
as the police shooting you, that is always a possibility,
whether you're taking a gun away from somebody or you're
using your own gun in a self defense situation. They're
(24:48):
called to, hey, there's a mass shooting going on. People
are on the ground. They see if somebody standing in
with a gun they are going to shoot you.
Speaker 11 (24:57):
Would be I'd be confused, you know, as as a terrorist,
as far as uh, you know, I'm trying to be
the good guy. You take, you take a couple of
guys out, and then you're still standing there with a gun,
you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, now you're right, So what do you do? All right?
Here's you know, there are several different things you can do.
One is that you're posture. You're the way you stand,
the way you're conducting yourself has something to do with
how you are perceived. Maybe possibly so if you shoot
somebody who is killing everybody else if they are no
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longer a threat personally. I don't think I'm going to
be standing there with a gun in my hand. I'm
not going to be after I have taken care of
that problem. If it's my own gun, I'm going to
put it back in his holster and have it concealed.
If it's the gun I picked up, I'm probably going
to put it back on the ground and step away
from it, so I'm not the guy standing there hold
of a gun. You know, there's no perfect answer. I'm
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probably well, I don't know if. If you say, well,
but there's somebody else shooting him, I going to go
try to engage him. Maybe possibly probably. I wish I
could tell you what the solution would be there. I
don't know. You know, do any of us really know
what we're going to do? I mean, we now. I
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do know what I'm going to do. I am going
to try to stop these guys because I've already made
that decision. I actually have had that conversation with my
wife and she gets that. She said, look, you do
understand that if something like that happens, I'm going to
go in and try to stop it. Even if it
means I'm not coming home that night. She says, yeah,
I get that, understand. And that's where we are, Okay.
(26:40):
I think, don't you think you have to have made
that decision ahead of time, because otherwise I think you're
more likely to freeze up or not doing them do
anything if you don't have a plan. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
For sure?
Speaker 11 (26:55):
I carry every day and I think about that when
I go into you know, a public store, or you know,
I'm in a parking lot. You know, you see, I
just constantly am.
Speaker 10 (27:04):
Aware of my surroundings.
Speaker 11 (27:05):
I you know, I watch people.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
Driving, I look out for others.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
If you see a shooter exactly, you just need to
think and be you know, at what point do you
My my main concern was with the whole, uh the shooting,
the terrorist shooting. I don't know when I would stop
trying to be the hero and maybe be possibly you know, confused,
as the.
Speaker 10 (27:29):
Bad guy was my whole.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's a good thought to have. It's good to have
a plan. And the other part of it is is, look,
the moment you decide you're going to get involved and
try to stop the shooting, there is a chance, and
not a small one there's a chance you're going to
get shot by the bad guy, by the cops, or
by another good guy. Just it's there. There's a chance
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you're going to get shot by somebody. We want to
reduce that if we can't, and a lot of people
are going to say, well, I'm not willing to take
that risk. I'm just not going to get involved. It's
a call you got to make. I'm not going to
say what's right or what's wrong. But there you go,
good questions and I'm glad you're thinking about it. Thank
you for the call, sir. I'm going to go grab
Joe out of Erie, Kansas. Hello Joe, thank you for
(28:16):
your patience, and hold it on. How can we help
you today? Yes, I start.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
I'd remind everybody that according to the calendar, tomorrow is
Bill of Right's Day?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Is it?
Speaker 10 (28:26):
Now?
Speaker 11 (28:28):
That's what this show is all about, the Bill of.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Rights it is.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So tell me what you know about Bill of Rights Day,
because I got to admit I'm going a little sketchy
on it.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I just bounded it was on a calendar I had.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
I said, it makes sense that there's such a thing
as Bill of Right's Day.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well, I like it because I do like the Bill
of Rights, and for those that are not quite familiar
with it, that's the first ten amendments to the Constitution.
And the founder said, you know, the constitution's good, but
it's not good enough, and we're not going to vote
for it unless we add these things in. And we're
going to list two things that are restrictions on the government,
not rights that it's giving us. I think a lot
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of times people Joe get that confused. I think, well,
you know, these are the rights that the Constitution gives us.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
The Bill of Rights are areas where we're telling the
government you have to stay out of this. You can
make no law restricting gun rights. You can make no
law restricting free speech. The Bill of Rights is the
list of restrictions on the government, not a list of
rights that we are granted. So there it is mean
(29:35):
all right, Well, look, I appreciate I was frankly unaware
of Bill of Rights Day. I didn't know it was tomorrow.
So thank you, sir. Oh here's a question for you
before you go, how will you celebrate Bill of Rights
Day listening to gun talk?
Speaker 10 (29:48):
The Bill of Rights is what makes America America.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I would agree completely. It absolutely is. And the Second
Amendment is what makes the rest of the Bill of
Rights work because without it you have no enforcem mechanism.
Thank you for the call. What do I mean by
an enforcement mechanism? It's when things get truly ugly, a
government that's out of control. The whole idea, honestly, the
(30:14):
whole idea behind the Bill of Rights was two things.
We wanted to be able to protect our country, not
our government. Don't confuse the government with the country, okay,
to protect our country against foreign invaders, and also to
protect our country against that government that goes amuck, runs
them uck, and goes crazy. We'd just been through a
(30:35):
strong central government. We didn't want to have that for
this country. And we wanted to preserve a method by
which individuals, citizens, people who make up the country could
maintain control or arrest back control of the government from
those who would take it over and use it against us.
(30:56):
What do I mean by using it against us?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Gee, we see that every day, don't we currently?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Law fair.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Using the government to go after its political enemies. Isn't
that a government running amok?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Now?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'm not saying you invoke the second Amendment on that.
That's not what I'm saying at all. But I'm just
saying that these are examples, and take that out to
its extreme conclusion. People can make a case of the Oh,
there's conceivable instances where the Secondmendment would be applied. So anyway,
(31:37):
that's what the Secondmendment is about. It is not a
right that has been granted to anyone. The second Moment's simple.
It tells the government to stay away the right of
the people, that is the people, that's you and me. Right,
the right of the people to keep in their arms,
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keep means to own them, bear means to carry them.
The right of the people to keep in bear arms
shall not be infringed. Kind of simple. I like it.
Michelle says, how are we gonna celebrate Bell of Rights Day?
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Duh?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You go buy a gun? Yeah, I like that. Why
didn't I think of that? Thank you for the help.
If I said, okay, all right, here's a question for you.
If I said, all right, tomorrow, we're doing this show
on Sunday Tomorrow, Monday, you have to go buy a gun.
Where are you gonna buy? You are required just a
(32:43):
fun game here, You're required to go buy a gun.
You have to go down to your local gun store.
Find one of your stores that has something. Where are
you gonna be looking for shotgun, rifle, send me automatic, pistol,
revolver where you gonn bye huh? I don't know. Yesterday
(33:05):
I went flag back into the backcountry here in a
wilderness area, and it's like, you know, you got to
figure out you have to have the right clothing for
the right party. What am I wearing to the party tonight?
So in my case, it's like, Okay, which gun am
I going to carry today? I had two nine millimeters
ready to go, and I said, no, that's not right,
that's not right for this. And I looked at my
(33:27):
seven shot three fifty seven. I said, yeah, that's a
good shot. That good choice. I can do that. But
you know, no, we're going back where there are lions
and tigers and bears. Oh my, I'm going to carry
a forty four. So I have a probably a thirty
year old now Smith and Weston six twenty four. It's
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a three inch barrel, six shot in frame revolver in
forty four special, not forty four magn I'm forty four special.
I have a really nice leather holster for it. So
I put on this leather holster and loaded up all
six chambers of this revolver with forty four Special AMMO.
I had two more speed strips of AMMO that slipped
(34:13):
into my left front pants pocket. So now I have
eighteen rounds of forty four Special. There's not a lot
you can't take care of with that, and that's what
I wore for the day. Didn't need it, we did see.
I would just mention in terms of what we were doing.
We're flying in to the frank Church River of No
(34:33):
Return wilderness area. Had to make a couple of passes
over the airstrip, little gravel airstrip because it was obstructed.
There were stuff on the runway Elk Rocky Mountain, Elk
all over the runway. Had to run them off, fly
(34:53):
low over the runway to get them to leave. Then
we landed two different planes and got out with ever binocular.
Then just sat there and looked at Elkin deer for
an hour, did a little hiking around. Had a great
time out there. Now, this is a great area for
hunting and I hunt there every year. But you know what,
yesterday it won't surprise you. The hunting season was closed.
(35:19):
We didn't see any of those elk during the hunting season,
but right there where we camp, there we go. I
got helk we're talking. I would roughly guess four hundred elk.
We saw some bulls, small bulls, didn't see the big ones.
Lots of cows, a lot of deer. Just a fun time.
So when you dressed for the occasion, what are you
(35:41):
dressing for? And what are you going to carry? So
all right, here's your challenge. You gotta go out and
you gotta go buy a gun tomorrow on Bill of
Bright's Day. What's it going to be? So there you go.
We've got time for Jim. All right, let's do this
Jim and Medford or hey Jim, thank you for calling Ann.
(36:02):
What's on your mind here?
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Brother?
Speaker 10 (36:04):
How you do it? And I'll talk to you several times.
I just wanted to get in on your conversation. You
were talking about shooting terrorists or whatever, and I just
decided share this with you that I don't know. A
while back, I bought myself a police list like a
police badge, and it has a concealed carry on it
and it has your concealed Perry number. It's got the
(36:25):
state you're in and everything on it. So I figured
if I ever got into a situation where I was
like in the mall and it was a shooting, I'd
have something to show the police when they showed up,
at least maybe give me the benefit of the do
or they shoot me. What do you think.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
My initial Well, I got questions. Let's do that. How
describe to me exactly how you're going to do that.
You've been in a shooting and the police roll up
and you have a concealed carry badge. Okay, what are
you gonna do with that?
Speaker 10 (37:01):
Well? Show it to me if I could.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I mean, they're rolling up there, they've got their guns
pointed at you. You got your gun in your hand.
Do you think they're gonna see that badge?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
Well, I don't know. I mean, you know, I haven't
been in a situation, but I'm just you know, it's
just one of those things that might give you a
few seconds of not getting shot at all.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, yeah, I mean I understand what you're saying, and
I'm not sure it's a terrible idea. I think it
could end up getting you in trouble, like being charged
with a personating a police officer, because that's what it is.
When you're carrying a badge, it's made.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
By the company that makes the police badges they do.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Do you think they care who made it? You're going
to be charged with a person You're gonna be charged
with a personality a police officer.
Speaker 10 (37:52):
Oh No, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't try to
be that.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
If you are carrying a badge and you are showing it,
don't you think that constitutes pretending you're a police officer?
Speaker 10 (38:06):
Oh if I was walking around showing it, yeah, but
I don't. I wouldn't know. The reason I was talking
about was just to carry it for that reason under
my shoulder or something.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I do understand. I think you're missing my point, which
is when you show it to the cops, you are
pretending to be a cop. I mean, you just are.
You just are, because there is no such thing as
okay badge. So it is a pretend police badge is
what it is. And you know, look, he will it
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buy you some time? Maybe I don't know, isn't a
good idea. Maybe I would choose not to do it,
but that's just me. But look, I appreciate the idea.
I've heard of that before. I literally have never talked
to you about your had one before. What do you
think good idea? Bad idea of concealed carry badge? I
(39:00):
mean it made to look like a CoP's badge, and
I get it. Maybe the idea is you're going to
buy a few seconds of reaction time so you can surrender. Personally,
I don't want to be holding the gun when the
police rolled up, because my guess is just probably going
to get shot. A little bit earlier in the show,
(39:25):
we did an interview with David Brown. He's in Australia,
and when I recorded that with him, it was first
in the morning here, it was midnight his time. Just
got a message from me, so he's already up, he's awake.
It's tomorrow there, and he's given me an update on
the shooters or the shooting. In that video we see
(39:46):
of the fellow disarming the murderer, taking the gun away
from him and piercedly couldn't operate the gun. David said,
does look like it was a straight pull bolt action rifle,
as one of those used. No ars or a case
to be seen. That's the thing in Australia. The straight pool.
Think of it as a bolt action that you just
(40:06):
pulled straight back and push forward, and they have bolt
ex rifles. I think we have shotguns also. There just
something they have come up with there to I guess
comply with the laws, and if you don't know how
to run one of those, you don't know. But it
also may be that the guy who took the gun
away from him didn't know anything about guns and didn't
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want to shoot him, just decided that's not what he's
going to do. He stopped shooting and let him run away.
Not saying that's wrong, I am saying it's probably not
what I would have done. But then again, I come
to it with an American's viewpoint of I am not
going to let you hurt other people, and I will
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deal with problem number two because problem number one is
what's in front of me is this guy wants to
murder more people. So I'm going to deal with problem
number one. Problem number two is the legal aspect of it.
We'll deal with that later. People say, well, you know,
if you shoot somebody, then you can have to Yeah,
I get it, I get it, But why would you
shoot somebody because they're trying to kill you, Well, that
(41:09):
is problem number one. You probably got to deal with
that because if you don't, you're never going to get
to problem number two on the legal side, because he's
going to kill you. You get it. Okay, fine takeaways.
Let's think about this for a second. We just had
a mass murder in Australia. We just had an active
shooter at Brown University in Rhode Island had a gun
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free zone, which of course is never a gun free
zone because the bad guys bring their guns to gun
free zones. If you're unaware of this now, it doesn't
apply to schools. Okay, I get that. But in a
number of states, a no guns sign has absolutely no
legal weight, means nothing. That's up to you to know
(41:57):
what the laws are in your state. Handgun Law dot
Us is a good place to go for that because
they actually give that information out Handgun Law dot Us website.
But in a lot of states, a business puts a
no gun sign up, it's simply a request. Now, what
happens if you carry in there? Nothing? What happens if
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you get caught carrying in there, then they can ask
you to leave. If you leave, no harm, no foul,
It's not I guess the law. If they ask you
to leave, you don't leave. Now you are subject to
being charged with trespassing. If they're asked to leave, you leave.
Why would they ask you to leave because they saw
(42:39):
your gun? Why would they see your gun? Well, if
you're carrying correctly, which is concealed in a good way,
it's not going to show if you have to. If
you end up having to pull a gun out, it
means that you were or somebody was under assault, and
you know, we'll deal with that problem later. So just
telling you that, in an number of states, a no
(43:01):
gun sign on the door has no legal weight and
you are not required to honor it. So know the
law wherever you go, conduct yourself accordingly. In the meantime,
go up your training. Maybe that's your cool Christmas present
to you and family members. Maybe you all go together.
(43:22):
That would be fun to He'll go take a cool
self defense class together. In the meantime, get to that
local gun store. They have stuff that you will like.
You can buy for yourself, you can buy for friends.
They're gonna have things that you haven't even seen before.
And you're supporting a local business, which is always a
good thing. Hey, look, if I don't see you next week,
mayor Christmas, but we're gonna be here next Sunday. Hope
(43:44):
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All right, we are back with you Tom Gresham's Gun
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Talk Gun or Tom Talking. Done. A lot of things
going on with innovations, and it's you know, sometimes you think, well,
it's the big companies, the Rugers of the world and
the smith and Westerns. Well that's true, and then again
there some companies are actually probably a lot bigger than
you are aware of. And then we have two companies
(00:48):
that just got together, Ruger and Magpoll to bring out
what I think is one of the coolest, most interesting
and useful pistols in a long time, the Ruger r
X Sam and joining me to talk about that little bit,
Drake Clark from Magpole. Drake, thanks for being.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Here, Hey, Tom, thanks so much for having me appreciate
the invite.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Oh you bet. So what originally went into getting Ruger
and Magpole together to make the RXm?
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Sure, you know this is an idea.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I think that was kind of circulating internally at Magpole
for some time, and you know, we were looking for
the right partner and it made a lot of sense
with what Rigor had to offer, you know, both by
way of brand palace and who they are.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
And the position they are, but also.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Their expertise in manufacturing high volume products. So they were
looking for a partner that could handle the polymer side
of things and kind of up their game in that world.
And we were looking, of course for a partner to
take some of the ideas that we had and be
able to develop those through a large manufacturer.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
And put a good product out there for the folks.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So I'm taking it that Magpole did not want to
bring out a firearm on its own at this point.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
That's right. Yeah, we're you know, we're an accessory manufacturer.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We love that space, and we've got lots and lots
of partners in the business on the OEM side that build.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Guns every day, and then that's what they do best.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
And really we realize the limitations of our experience and
our current production capability, and you know, focus really on
just the accessory side of the house.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
So the RXm is I guess you would say it's
a not exactly a spinoff, but maybe an improvement on
the glock GM three, And I think it's a real
improve it. For one thing, I really like the grip
angle better. I've never been able to handle the glock
frame as well, because I guess I grew up on
nineteen elevens and this one just feels like it's closer
(02:36):
to a nineteen eleven than it is a glock.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, a little different grip angle on.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
There really a lot of feedback from the years that
you know, other manufacturers have been building auto pistols out there,
and you know, we know what are the good features
and what are the features we'd like to see improved,
and and you know, it's tough when people call the
rx IM a glock clone. I really kind of shy
away from that terminology. It's quite a bit different gun.
Although there's quite a few parts compatibility between the Gen three.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Blocks and the RXm.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
You know, the heart of the beast, so to speak,
is really the fire control group there that's removable. That
allows you to change out the different sized grips, you know,
from a full size all the way down to a subcompact.
So you can do that without you know, cutting your
grip or without having to buy a new part. Because
again that the SCU or the fire control unit there
(03:28):
is the serialized part, right, so it allows you to
be able to change out that and be a little
bit more modular than some of the other platforms. Whereas
before you'd have to buy you know, a couple, two,
three different guns to fit different roles.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Now you can have one firearm.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And really change the accessories around that firearm to fit
the mission.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know, we'll toward that in the original R Exams
fifteen round magazine. And obviously you could use block bags
or block pattern mags. You can use you know megroal
mags in there. But now you just brought out a
new grip what do you call it a grip module.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, grip frame, grip module.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
There's lots of different names that folks are calling us,
but you know it's basically the palmer lower housing of
the grip frame. So we did launch the seventeen just
a couple of weeks ago, seventeen round full size frame. Boy,
those things are selling like hotcakes. Were quite impressed, and
we knew that there was going to be a good
demand for that and a lot of folks looking to
be able to get a little bit better control over
the pistol and have more surface area in contact.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
With the gun.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But we've got our ten round frame or our subcompact
frame that's right around the corner too, so we should
see that here hopefully by the end of the year.
It may push a little bit too, maybe closer to
shot show. So we're about a month or so away
from releasing that publicly, so we'll have you know. Of course,
the fifteen round original frame that you mentioned, the seventeen
that we just launched, and then the flush fit ten
(04:47):
round nag or are some subcompact model that'll be available,
and you know, I'm going to say in the coming weeks,
we're pretty close.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And let me guess, as soon as you bring out something,
they say, yeah, but what about this other? I want
it in fourteen different colors?
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Sure, yeah, it's great. We offer a whole host of
different colors. So the fifteen round frame was almost.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Instantly available in the flat dark earth, the ode green gray.
Of course it comes from the factory in the black,
and then those other colors are going to carry on
over to the full size seventeen round and then the
subcompact ten round flush fit, so you'll see the four
standard colors offered in those models as well.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well. It is a pistol that I really like a lot.
I was not I will tell you I was not
prepared to like it. I thought, yeah, okay, you know,
it's just another big blockie striker fired gun, big deal.
You know, we've all seen them come and go. And
then I got to shoot it and went, wow, this
thing really works. And then we ran it through its
paces over at our range Range Ready studio. We took
(05:44):
a one of them, ran eight thousand rounds through it
without cleaning it and it never hiccup. It just kept running.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I mean, that's in my opinion, one of the best
things about this gun is that it's just boring reliability.
It was one of our goals was to really check
out box that we possibly could on a feature set
that the customer would want. And of course reliability is
one of those important ones. If you can't get over
that hurdle, it's hard to even pay attention to.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
The other features that are there.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So we were very, very pleased with the partnership and
Ruger and what we were able to create by by
way of a reliable nine mil you know, auto pistol platform.
So it's it's been it's been an exciting adventure for us,
and I think we nailed it.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think we've got a really good gun here.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And they've they've been doing good business and selling these things,
and they're they're definitely in circulation out there. Uh you know,
I go to my local range from time to time
and I'm even seeing just guys showing up there with them.
And you know, at the point that that's happened, and
I feel like we penetraated the market good with the product.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
We without giving away. I mean, I know that you know,
Ruger's public is traded and we all have NDA's with them,
and we can't talk about details, but it would be
pretty silly for us to think that is the last
thing you're going to be doing with them.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I would agree.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know, Ruger is a strong partner of ours and
we do good business with them, and we do have a.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Couple more things up our sleeve to keep your nose.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
To the ground in the future here and I think
in the coming months you're going to see some exciting
stuff come from the two brands.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, let's back way up. When Magpool got started, at
least the first thing I was really aware of was
the P mags. And I mean I think originally I
thought of Magpole as a mag company. Magazine company? Is
that correct?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Well, you go even farther back from the P mag.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
It's a common misnomer, right, I would say, maybe our
flagship product now is the P mag but you go
back before the PMG And actually the namesake in the
company was the first product, so a mag Pole, which is.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
A not only the name of the company, but our.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
First product, which is a magazine removing aiding device that
it's basically a rubber boot that slides over the bottom
for sure aluminum magazine and it aids and being able
to remove it from a cargo pocket or from a
plate carrier. You know, our founder, Richard Fitzpatrick, came up
with this idea and like many of us, including myself,
(07:58):
when we carried a gun for a litle most of
our air fifteen M four and sixteen magazines that we carried.
We'd either do the five point fifty cords or a
little bit of duct taper on the bottom of them.
And you know, Richard, you know, it's like, hey, I
can come up with a solution that doesn't get gooey
and you don't have to replace over time, and it
would be an engineered solution for a common problem that
(08:19):
was out there.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
So that was really our first products. It's funny.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I was just telling someone the story the other day
that someone asked me if I.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Worked for P mag. You know, they thought the name
of our businesses P mag.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And quite the contrary, right, it's actually another product that's magpol.
And a lot of folks don't know about the magpool
and still a popular product.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
We still sell it a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But I think really we started to get some global
recognition for the brand once we were developing magazines and
of course now building the primary magazine that is authorized
for combat with the Marine Corps and then authorized within
every branch of the service now and we do great
business over there, and I think our customers enjoy having
(08:59):
a quality man magazine that has a good lifespan and
just flat out.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Works Okay, that begs the question. A lot of people
would have said, well, we have magazines for ars, do
we need other magazines? What makes this a better magazine?
Or I guess maybe the real question is what makes
for a good magazine?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, I think you know, depending on the platform, you
could go down a whole host of different conversations.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
But I'll speak specific to the M four platform.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And you know, there's a lot of folks out there
that think, like, hey, I've used USG aluminum mags my
whole life and never had a problem whether the follower
was black or green or tan or whatever they were like,
and we never had a problem with that. And when
we looked at it, the exposure that we have to
rounds down range, whether it's in training or whether it's
in real life situations, we know that the aluminum mag
(09:48):
not only is it's not as reliable as it could be,
but it's also susceptible to use and wear in heavy,
extreme environments where the feedlips can be damaged and you
don't have a way to inspect those feed lips see
if they're damaged, and if they are, how they're going
to affect the gun until you're actually shooting the gun
and see that there's a malfunction. So we really had
a big focus on reliability initially, right.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
We wanted to ensure that we have the most.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Reliable magazine possible, that it was not influencing the overall
function of the firearm. I think maybe a close number
two would be pricing. You know, we knew that utilizing
injection molding technology with the right volumes.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
That we would be able to create a product that would.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Be not only more reliable than the illuminum the OSGi nags,
but that we would rival the cost as well. And
with those two combinations we were able to really penetrate
in and and you know, get these in front of
the largest manufacturers in the world, the largest end users,
and some of the you know, tip of the spears,
so to speak, of the guys that are like, hey,
(10:50):
we can see a difference. Right when you look at
like some of the HK four sixteen users in the
military back in the day, they were using HK steel
thirty round right USGI mags, and there's.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
A you know, a perception there that those were a great.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Magazine and as far as I know, you know, they
ran pretty good, but they were heavy, right, sure, quite
a bit heavier than than our pmags, So it was
another weight savings costs there. I think when you're looking
from a commercial end user side, all the things that
I mentioned are important, whether it's a liability.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
And costs, but aesthetics can be something too.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And you know, Magville has a design language that you know,
some describe it as just you know, blot out sexy
gun part.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I'm just going to say it's cool. You guys make
cool stuff. I mean, you got furniture for ars, You've
got any number of things, you got, gun cases, you've got.
I mean, just it keep goes on and on and
you never know what you guys are going to be
bringing out. Are we going to be seen some new
things that shot show this year?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Definitely.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I mean anybody that's been paying attention to brand for
for a period of time is and knows us for
diversification in our lineup, we know that we we've got
lots of ideas that are outside of the AAR fifty platform,
and you've seen that in recent years with the diversification
of different categories that we're playing in. So you know
you mentioned gun cases, We've recently got into both soft
(12:11):
and hard gun cases in our DOCA line, they've been
very successful and doing great.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Great products.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
You know our DOCA grid system internal organization for our
rife cases as well, there's a pretty slick, reusable, reconfigurable setup.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So you know, we've got a lot of ideas.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
It's just a matter of applying those ideas into the
right areas that makes sense for our customers and for
our business.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, it sounds good. Look forward to seeing what you're
up to. I think what you're doing with Ruger's exciting.
I can't wait to see what you do next. Don't
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Speaker 3 (15:04):
Here's a topic we've talked about in the past, but
I'm thinking maybe the news of the day makes us
want to examine it again. It's simply this of having
another gun. Maybe it is the only gun you have,
but having a gun in your vehicle, and if it's
gonna be in the vehicle, why wouldn't you make it
(15:26):
a long gun? Why would you want a long gun?
Let's see sixteen people dead so far in Australia, two
people maybe more dead in Rhode Island at Brown University,
multiple shooters, longer distances. Maybe you're carrying your handgun, maybe
(15:51):
you're not. Even if you are. If something like this
starts to transpire and you have the ability, would it
not be comforting to be able to reach into your
vehicle and pull out an AR. Or I wait, your
aout of ninety four eleve action like John Wayne used,
(16:12):
and now at hundred yards you can deactivate the murderer. Hm.
Maybe you already do this. Maybe you already carry a
long gun a lot of people, and people call it
a truck gun, which is a cool name.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Now, we have folding stocks, We have all sorts of things,
things that make it easier to make a gun more compact.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
We have the.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Pistol caliber carbines, the pccs. You can get a long gun,
but in a pistol caliber nine millimeter forty five or
ooh ooh, I like the idea of a ten milimeter.
It's hard at one hundred yards, folding stock, nice and small.
Put a put a pistol mag in it, thirteen fifteen,
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seventeen thirty two rounds of m or of course it's
your basic AR. If you don't, maybe this is a
provocative Maybe it's not. If you don't own an AR.
Why not? No interest? Never wanted one? Have you tried one?
(17:27):
If you shot one? I don't know, just wondering. I mean,
it's not my favorite platform, I will freely admit. But
at the same time. I own several, maybe even a
lot of them. Why is that? Because it's an amazingly
(17:49):
good tool. It's easy to shoot, it's lightweight, it's ergonomic,
and depending on the cartridge it's chambered for, it has
very little recoil. I mean, look, ars are just simple. Yeah,
you gotta learn the buttonology on it. It has different
buttons and different switches. But this, come on, it's not
(18:09):
difficult to figure this out. You could handle it. So
I would just say maybe, maybe, maybe if you're thinking
about what am I going to get myself? Because we
know the best way to get what you want for
Christmas is to get it for yourself. Right, what am
I gonna get myself? How about an air? Or how
(18:30):
about another ar? They come in a lot of different flavors.
I saw one for three hundred and thirty four dollars
advertised recently, maybe the lowest price I've seen maybe ever.
I don't know now, is there three hundred and thirty
four dollars ar worth it? I don't know? Will it work?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, it'll work.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Is it going to be as good as a nice
fifteen hundred dollars? Of course not? I mean, look, come on,
give your list to get of course not. But maybe
it's your starter gun. Maybe it's your gateway going to
get into ars in that whole world, and you go, oh,
that's nice. I think I want a better one. Fine,
that'll work. There's just a lot to be said for
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the platform, and going back to the original premise of
your truck gun, your vehicle gun, your if the stuff
hits the fan gun, let me tell you if you
got two guys, or six guys or twelve guys. And
I absolutely expect that to happen. I act completely expect
(19:42):
for these terror attacks to continue and to escalate, it
to grow and not be just one person or two people,
to be six people working as a team, and as
good as you are, as good as I might be
with my handgun, I don't really want to use my
(20:06):
little pistola against six people who have long guns. Just don't.
But and look, I don't want to take them home
with anything, honestly. But given a choice, if I have
an ar with an optic I could sit back at
(20:27):
fifty yards or seventy five yards or one hundred yards
and I can shoot them. You can use whatever euphemism
you want for it, but we're talking about shooting people
who are trying to murder innocent people. That's what it's about.
And I can be precise if I need to. At
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certain distances, I can be a headshot and yeah, I
got a thirty round magazine if need be. Frankly, when
I have an ar in the vehicle, it's in a
case that has six other thirty round magazines with it.
(21:10):
Because why wouldn't you. I can't even imagine why you wouldn't.
Just kind of a how do you care? Well, yeah,
Michelle's saying, how are you going to carry a rifle
in a car? It has to be case for legal transport.
We yeah, maybe sometimes depends on where we are. If
you're going interstate, yes it does. If you're going in state,
(21:31):
and a lot of states, no, it doesn't. In a
lot of states like my state, I'm gonna have it
loaded and sitting in the passenger seat without a case.
So you got to know your local laws. Oh, so
you got to be smart about it. Understand that if
you're carrying a long gun in your vehicle, when you
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leave your vehicle, it's still in the vehicle. Now we
need to think about security. So a locked case and
maybe a case that is cable locked to the vehicle
so I can't be taken out. I don't know, And
that's an area I need to do a little more
study of. I don't know what the best practices solution
is to that. There are some nice ones where they
(22:15):
actually bolt a hard gun case to like the floor
of the back of the suv. Might not be a
bad way to go, if yes, some thoughts from that,
A suggestion of a good way to carry your long
gun in your vehicle to keep it secure and call
me all right, Beck quick if you want to call in,
(22:36):
give me a call Tom Talk Gun. That's the number,
Tom Talk Gun. Just dial that and that I'll get
you in here. Let's say Brandon did that line three
out of Illinois. Hey Brandon, Hey Tom.
Speaker 10 (22:48):
Great show.
Speaker 11 (22:49):
I'm a second time caller.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
I'm glad to get to speak with you again.
Speaker 11 (22:54):
I just wanted to talk about this civilian that took
out this terrorist.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
So just a just a quick question for you.
Speaker 11 (23:02):
You know what point would you would you stop? So
say you take the gun from the guy, say you
shoot him, Say you engage yourself with the other terrorists
on the bridge that was nearby. Also, I would be
worried that if once law enforcement arrived, could they confuse
me as a terrorist?
Speaker 5 (23:22):
What?
Speaker 11 (23:22):
How do you what would you say would be the
right thing to do, you know, kill the first terrorists
and lay the arms down or what.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Unfortunately there's no right answer, there's no perfect answer, but
you are absolutely correct to be thinking about it ahead
of time, which is, okay, what do I do?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Have you seen the video of the guy who grabbed
the gunman and took the gun away from him?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, I just watched it.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
The way he the way he snuck up on him
and grabbed him from the back as he's spinning around.
He disarms him and he does nim it at him,
but he didn't fire. He immediately lays the well, he
leans that gun up against the tree, and then you know,
the guy kind of takes off, thinking, wow, you're gonna
let me live. At that point, I'm thinking to myself,
I would have go ahead. I would have went ahead
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and executed that target.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Then what do you do that? In one report I
just saw I had not seen this anywhere else, said
that the guy he disarmed ran over to the other
shooter and got a gun from him, exactly.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
Like said before. If he would have had another gun
in his side, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, I would have smoked him. I mean, it's me
got to remember it's Australia, where once you take the
gun away from him, people say, oh, yeah, he's defenseless,
you know, blah blah blah blah. Okay great. As far
as the police shooting you, that is always a possibility,
whether you're taking a gun away from somebody or you're
using your own gun in a self defense situation. They're
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called to, hey, there's a mass shooting going on. People
are on the ground. They see if somebody standing in
with a gun they are going to shoot you.
Speaker 11 (24:57):
Would be I'd be confused, you know, as as a terrorist,
as far as uh, you know, I'm trying to be
the good guy. You take, you take a couple of
guys out, and then you're still standing there with a gun,
you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, now you're right, So what do you do? All right?
Here's you know, there are several different things you can do.
One is that you're posture. You're the way you stand,
the way you're conducting yourself has something to do with
how you are perceived. Maybe possibly so if you shoot
somebody who is killing everybody else if they are no
(25:28):
longer a threat personally. I don't think I'm going to
be standing there with a gun in my hand. I'm
not going to be after I have taken care of
that problem. If it's my own gun, I'm going to
put it back in his holster and have it concealed.
If it's the gun I picked up, I'm probably going
to put it back on the ground and step away
from it, so I'm not the guy standing there hold
of a gun. You know, there's no perfect answer. I'm
(25:53):
probably well, I don't know if. If you say, well,
but there's somebody else shooting him, I going to go
try to engage him. Maybe possibly probably. I wish I
could tell you what the solution would be there. I
don't know. You know, do any of us really know
what we're going to do? I mean, we now. I
(26:15):
do know what I'm going to do. I am going
to try to stop these guys because I've already made
that decision. I actually have had that conversation with my
wife and she gets that. She said, look, you do
understand that if something like that happens, I'm going to
go in and try to stop it. Even if it
means I'm not coming home that night. She says, yeah,
I get that, understand. And that's where we are, Okay.
(26:40):
I think, don't you think you have to have made
that decision ahead of time, because otherwise I think you're
more likely to freeze up or not doing them do
anything if you don't have a plan. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
For sure?
Speaker 11 (26:55):
I carry every day and I think about that when
I go into you know, a public store, or you know,
I'm in a parking lot. You know, you see, I
just constantly am.
Speaker 10 (27:04):
Aware of my surroundings.
Speaker 11 (27:05):
I you know, I watch people.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
Driving, I look out for others.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
If you see a shooter exactly, you just need to
think and be you know, at what point do you
My my main concern was with the whole, uh the shooting,
the terrorist shooting. I don't know when I would stop
trying to be the hero and maybe be possibly you know, confused,
as the.
Speaker 10 (27:29):
Bad guy was my whole.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's a good thought to have. It's good to have
a plan. And the other part of it is is, look,
the moment you decide you're going to get involved and
try to stop the shooting, there is a chance, and
not a small one there's a chance you're going to
get shot by the bad guy, by the cops, or
by another good guy. Just it's there. There's a chance
(27:55):
you're going to get shot by somebody. We want to
reduce that if we can't, and a lot of people
are going to say, well, I'm not willing to take
that risk. I'm just not going to get involved. It's
a call you got to make. I'm not going to
say what's right or what's wrong. But there you go,
good questions and I'm glad you're thinking about it. Thank
you for the call, sir. I'm going to go grab
Joe out of Erie, Kansas. Hello Joe, thank you for
(28:16):
your patience, and hold it on. How can we help
you today? Yes, I start.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
I'd remind everybody that according to the calendar, tomorrow is
Bill of Right's Day?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Is it?
Speaker 10 (28:26):
Now?
Speaker 11 (28:28):
That's what this show is all about, the Bill of.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Rights it is.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So tell me what you know about Bill of Rights Day,
because I got to admit I'm going a little sketchy
on it.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I just bounded it was on a calendar I had.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
I said, it makes sense that there's such a thing
as Bill of Right's Day.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well, I like it because I do like the Bill
of Rights, and for those that are not quite familiar
with it, that's the first ten amendments to the Constitution.
And the founder said, you know, the constitution's good, but
it's not good enough, and we're not going to vote
for it unless we add these things in. And we're
going to list two things that are restrictions on the government,
not rights that it's giving us. I think a lot
(29:05):
of times people Joe get that confused. I think, well,
you know, these are the rights that the Constitution gives us.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
The Bill of Rights are areas where we're telling the
government you have to stay out of this. You can
make no law restricting gun rights. You can make no
law restricting free speech. The Bill of Rights is the
list of restrictions on the government, not a list of
rights that we are granted. So there it is mean
(29:35):
all right, Well, look, I appreciate I was frankly unaware
of Bill of Rights Day. I didn't know it was tomorrow.
So thank you, sir. Oh here's a question for you
before you go, how will you celebrate Bill of Rights
Day listening to gun talk?
Speaker 10 (29:48):
The Bill of Rights is what makes America America.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I would agree completely. It absolutely is. And the Second
Amendment is what makes the rest of the Bill of
Rights work because without it you have no enforcem mechanism.
Thank you for the call. What do I mean by
an enforcement mechanism? It's when things get truly ugly, a
government that's out of control. The whole idea, honestly, the
(30:14):
whole idea behind the Bill of Rights was two things.
We wanted to be able to protect our country, not
our government. Don't confuse the government with the country, okay,
to protect our country against foreign invaders, and also to
protect our country against that government that goes amuck, runs
them uck, and goes crazy. We'd just been through a
(30:35):
strong central government. We didn't want to have that for
this country. And we wanted to preserve a method by
which individuals, citizens, people who make up the country could
maintain control or arrest back control of the government from
those who would take it over and use it against us.
(30:56):
What do I mean by using it against us?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Gee, we see that every day, don't we currently?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Law fair.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Using the government to go after its political enemies. Isn't
that a government running amok?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Now?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'm not saying you invoke the second Amendment on that.
That's not what I'm saying at all. But I'm just
saying that these are examples, and take that out to
its extreme conclusion. People can make a case of the Oh,
there's conceivable instances where the Secondmendment would be applied. So anyway,
(31:37):
that's what the Secondmendment is about. It is not a
right that has been granted to anyone. The second Moment's simple.
It tells the government to stay away the right of
the people, that is the people, that's you and me. Right,
the right of the people to keep in their arms,
(32:01):
keep means to own them, bear means to carry them.
The right of the people to keep in bear arms
shall not be infringed. Kind of simple. I like it.
Michelle says, how are we gonna celebrate Bell of Rights Day?
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Duh?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You go buy a gun? Yeah, I like that. Why
didn't I think of that? Thank you for the help.
If I said, okay, all right, here's a question for you.
If I said, all right, tomorrow, we're doing this show
on Sunday Tomorrow, Monday, you have to go buy a gun.
Where are you gonna buy? You are required just a
(32:43):
fun game here, You're required to go buy a gun.
You have to go down to your local gun store.
Find one of your stores that has something. Where are
you gonna be looking for shotgun, rifle, send me automatic, pistol,
revolver where you gonn bye huh? I don't know. Yesterday
(33:05):
I went flag back into the backcountry here in a
wilderness area, and it's like, you know, you got to
figure out you have to have the right clothing for
the right party. What am I wearing to the party tonight?
So in my case, it's like, Okay, which gun am
I going to carry today? I had two nine millimeters
ready to go, and I said, no, that's not right,
that's not right for this. And I looked at my
(33:27):
seven shot three fifty seven. I said, yeah, that's a
good shot. That good choice. I can do that. But
you know, no, we're going back where there are lions
and tigers and bears. Oh my, I'm going to carry
a forty four. So I have a probably a thirty
year old now Smith and Weston six twenty four. It's
(33:49):
a three inch barrel, six shot in frame revolver in
forty four special, not forty four magn I'm forty four special.
I have a really nice leather holster for it. So
I put on this leather holster and loaded up all
six chambers of this revolver with forty four Special AMMO.
I had two more speed strips of AMMO that slipped
(34:13):
into my left front pants pocket. So now I have
eighteen rounds of forty four Special. There's not a lot
you can't take care of with that, and that's what
I wore for the day. Didn't need it, we did see.
I would just mention in terms of what we were doing.
We're flying in to the frank Church River of No
(34:33):
Return wilderness area. Had to make a couple of passes
over the airstrip, little gravel airstrip because it was obstructed.
There were stuff on the runway Elk Rocky Mountain, Elk
all over the runway. Had to run them off, fly
(34:53):
low over the runway to get them to leave. Then
we landed two different planes and got out with ever binocular.
Then just sat there and looked at Elkin deer for
an hour, did a little hiking around. Had a great
time out there. Now, this is a great area for
hunting and I hunt there every year. But you know what,
yesterday it won't surprise you. The hunting season was closed.
(35:19):
We didn't see any of those elk during the hunting season,
but right there where we camp, there we go. I
got helk we're talking. I would roughly guess four hundred elk.
We saw some bulls, small bulls, didn't see the big ones.
Lots of cows, a lot of deer. Just a fun time.
So when you dressed for the occasion, what are you
(35:41):
dressing for? And what are you going to carry? So
all right, here's your challenge. You gotta go out and
you gotta go buy a gun tomorrow on Bill of
Bright's Day. What's it going to be? So there you go.
We've got time for Jim. All right, let's do this
Jim and Medford or hey Jim, thank you for calling Ann.
(36:02):
What's on your mind here?
Speaker 10 (36:03):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Brother?
Speaker 10 (36:04):
How you do it? And I'll talk to you several times.
I just wanted to get in on your conversation. You
were talking about shooting terrorists or whatever, and I just
decided share this with you that I don't know. A
while back, I bought myself a police list like a
police badge, and it has a concealed carry on it
and it has your concealed Perry number. It's got the
(36:25):
state you're in and everything on it. So I figured
if I ever got into a situation where I was
like in the mall and it was a shooting, I'd
have something to show the police when they showed up,
at least maybe give me the benefit of the do
or they shoot me. What do you think.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
My initial Well, I got questions. Let's do that. How
describe to me exactly how you're going to do that.
You've been in a shooting and the police roll up
and you have a concealed carry badge. Okay, what are
you gonna do with that?
Speaker 10 (37:01):
Well? Show it to me if I could.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I mean, they're rolling up there, they've got their guns
pointed at you. You got your gun in your hand.
Do you think they're gonna see that badge?
Speaker 10 (37:14):
Well, I don't know. I mean, you know, I haven't
been in a situation, but I'm just you know, it's
just one of those things that might give you a
few seconds of not getting shot at all.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, yeah, I mean I understand what you're saying, and
I'm not sure it's a terrible idea. I think it
could end up getting you in trouble, like being charged
with a personating a police officer, because that's what it is.
When you're carrying a badge, it's made.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
By the company that makes the police badges they do.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Do you think they care who made it? You're going
to be charged with a person You're gonna be charged
with a personality a police officer.
Speaker 10 (37:52):
Oh No, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't try to
be that.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
If you are carrying a badge and you are showing it,
don't you think that constitutes pretending you're a police officer?
Speaker 10 (38:06):
Oh if I was walking around showing it, yeah, but
I don't. I wouldn't know. The reason I was talking
about was just to carry it for that reason under
my shoulder or something.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I do understand. I think you're missing my point, which
is when you show it to the cops, you are
pretending to be a cop. I mean, you just are.
You just are, because there is no such thing as
okay badge. So it is a pretend police badge is
what it is. And you know, look, he will it
(38:35):
buy you some time? Maybe I don't know, isn't a
good idea. Maybe I would choose not to do it,
but that's just me. But look, I appreciate the idea.
I've heard of that before. I literally have never talked
to you about your had one before. What do you
think good idea? Bad idea of concealed carry badge? I
(39:00):
mean it made to look like a CoP's badge, and
I get it. Maybe the idea is you're going to
buy a few seconds of reaction time so you can surrender. Personally,
I don't want to be holding the gun when the
police rolled up, because my guess is just probably going
to get shot. A little bit earlier in the show,
(39:25):
we did an interview with David Brown. He's in Australia,
and when I recorded that with him, it was first
in the morning here, it was midnight his time. Just
got a message from me, so he's already up, he's awake.
It's tomorrow there, and he's given me an update on
the shooters or the shooting. In that video we see
(39:46):
of the fellow disarming the murderer, taking the gun away
from him and piercedly couldn't operate the gun. David said,
does look like it was a straight pull bolt action rifle,
as one of those used. No ars or a case
to be seen. That's the thing in Australia. The straight pool.
Think of it as a bolt action that you just
(40:06):
pulled straight back and push forward, and they have bolt
ex rifles. I think we have shotguns also. There just
something they have come up with there to I guess
comply with the laws, and if you don't know how
to run one of those, you don't know. But it
also may be that the guy who took the gun
away from him didn't know anything about guns and didn't
(40:26):
want to shoot him, just decided that's not what he's
going to do. He stopped shooting and let him run away.
Not saying that's wrong, I am saying it's probably not
what I would have done. But then again, I come
to it with an American's viewpoint of I am not
going to let you hurt other people, and I will
(40:48):
deal with problem number two because problem number one is
what's in front of me is this guy wants to
murder more people. So I'm going to deal with problem
number one. Problem number two is the legal aspect of it.
We'll deal with that later. People say, well, you know,
if you shoot somebody, then you can have to Yeah,
I get it, I get it, But why would you
shoot somebody because they're trying to kill you, Well, that
(41:09):
is problem number one. You probably got to deal with
that because if you don't, you're never going to get
to problem number two on the legal side, because he's
going to kill you. You get it. Okay, fine takeaways.
Let's think about this for a second. We just had
a mass murder in Australia. We just had an active
shooter at Brown University in Rhode Island had a gun
(41:32):
free zone, which of course is never a gun free
zone because the bad guys bring their guns to gun
free zones. If you're unaware of this now, it doesn't
apply to schools. Okay, I get that. But in a
number of states, a no guns sign has absolutely no
legal weight, means nothing. That's up to you to know
(41:57):
what the laws are in your state. Handgun Law dot
Us is a good place to go for that because
they actually give that information out Handgun Law dot Us website.
But in a lot of states, a business puts a
no gun sign up, it's simply a request. Now, what
happens if you carry in there? Nothing? What happens if
(42:19):
you get caught carrying in there, then they can ask
you to leave. If you leave, no harm, no foul,
It's not I guess the law. If they ask you
to leave, you don't leave. Now you are subject to
being charged with trespassing. If they're asked to leave, you leave.
Why would they ask you to leave because they saw
(42:39):
your gun? Why would they see your gun? Well, if
you're carrying correctly, which is concealed in a good way,
it's not going to show if you have to. If
you end up having to pull a gun out, it
means that you were or somebody was under assault, and
you know, we'll deal with that problem later. So just
telling you that, in an number of states, a no
(43:01):
gun sign on the door has no legal weight and
you are not required to honor it. So know the
law wherever you go, conduct yourself accordingly. In the meantime,
go up your training. Maybe that's your cool Christmas present
to you and family members. Maybe you all go together.
(43:22):
That would be fun to He'll go take a cool
self defense class together. In the meantime, get to that
local gun store. They have stuff that you will like.
You can buy for yourself, you can buy for friends.
They're gonna have things that you haven't even seen before.
And you're supporting a local business, which is always a
good thing. Hey, look, if I don't see you next week,
mayor Christmas, but we're gonna be here next Sunday. Hope
(43:44):
that you are to be safe out there. Check your
six and carry every single day.
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