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-- Again we see the wrong reactions to the murders of children and the staunch resistance to do what actually works to stop crazed killers.
-- Looking back on Hurricane Katrina and the lessons we should have learned about what happens when government and social structures disappear.
-- You bet everything on your self defense gun, but do you practice as though your life depends on it?
Gun Talk 08.31.25 Hour 1
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-- Again we see the wrong reactions to the murders of children and the staunch resistance to do what actually works to stop crazed killers.
-- Looking back on Hurricane Katrina and the lessons we should have learned about what happens when government and social structures disappear.
-- You bet everything on your self defense gun, but do you practice as though your life depends on it?
Gun Talk 08.31.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
We're going to gather and do this thing one more time.
I'm Tom Gresham, I'm your host. This is gun Talk.
We're going to gather to talk about rod guns and
shooting and recreational shooting and self defense with guns, a
lot of things, a lot of reasons that people own
guns in America.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
It's actually quite varied.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's always the self defense is always the number one reason,
but there are so many others. I got to do
a little shooting this week. I got to teak around
with some different guns. We'll talk about that a little
later on the show. We'll talk about a cool new rifle,
very very limited edition, is going to be actious out now,
commemorating a very cool rifle designer.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
And then of.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Course we're going to be able to talk about the
Second Amendment and things that we've been making a lot
of headway and had a lot of wins. We had
a real serious setback this week from an unexpected source,
and we'll talk about that as well.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
But now I got to get to this.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I want to talk about the murders in Minneapolis, and
I hope you'll bear with me because I have some
real serious thoughts about this, and I think most of
the discussion is misplaced and misdirected and narrow minded and
mean and politically motive. You got a crazy person who
(02:06):
killed two very young people in a church school, church,
shot seventeen other people shot him through the window. People say, oh,
he was outside, she was outside whatever. I don't care,
he's she it.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Person plays a thing, doesn't matter to me. All these
people talking about he was trans, I don't care. How
many times have you heard me say I don't care,
don't care what motivation was. Well, how are we going
(02:42):
to prevent it? I don't know that. You are, honestly, well,
how are we going? No, stop, you're looking at it wrong.
Well we must know. And then today on Fox News
I hear a guy who is a former assistant attorney
or US attorney. He says, I keep telling people it's guns, guns, guns,
(03:05):
because we're arresting people at you know, carrying guns without
a permit, and we need to send us some stop
just stop, would you are you even listening to yourself?
We have twenty nine almost thirty states about to be
thirty states. Well, you don't need you're not required to
(03:28):
have a permit of any kind to carry a firearm
on your person concealed almost everywhere you go. I mean
we're twenty nine states, more than half the states. You
don't need to permit. So what are you what are
you even talking about? Or we're resting people for having guns,
(03:49):
carrying guns without a permit. You should be working to
get rid of the permit system altogether, and then you
should be identifying people who shouldn't who are breaking the law.
You know, almost everybody, almost everybody that the authorities catch
(04:11):
for violent crime, the authorities have had before, they've had
them in their hands for previous crimes, and let them
go the system.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Let them go.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm pretty sure that
if you don't let them go, they don't commit more
crimes on the public. They're making that crimes in prison,
but they're not going to be out here doing more
stuff to us. It just seems fairly obvious to me.
(04:49):
So the attention and the direction and the focus is
all wrong. A lot of people say, well, how are
we going to stop this? Well, they get confused, They
confuse the difference between preventing these kind of events and
stopping these kind of events them preventing them is now,
(05:15):
it's a societal thing, it's law enforcement, it's this. That's
a lot of different things. And sure, do what you
want to do what you can. You know, clamping down
on gun ownership is it going to do anything? They
already broke the law? What are you thinking? I tend
to focus more on what are you going to do
(05:35):
to stop them? Once they start? You know, we had
ed monk on here a couple of weeks ago. You
wrote this book first thirty seconds. He's researched active shooters extensively,
studied many many of these episodes and figured out what
works and what doesn't work. And he teaches classes and
(05:57):
talks to schools and talks to churches, and the pushback
he gets is unbelievable. And he says, look, it's just
time and math. It is pretty easy to understand once
the shooting starts, once the bad guy gets there and
wants to kill a lot of people, and look, you
got to understand what's really behind it. I mean, if
(06:19):
you can say, okay, it's drugs, it's this, it's that, Okay, great,
But what that person wants to do the immediate goal
is two things. Wants to die, because he or she
wants to die, it's a suicide deal. And the other
is this person wants to become famous by killing a
lot of people. They worship previous mass shooters. They refer
(06:46):
to them in their writings and then their YouTube videos.
They want they talk about wanting to have a higher
body count. So understand what you're working with here. Their
goal list to kill as many people as possible. Okay,
once the event starts and they fire the first shot,
(07:10):
now it's time and math. The amount of time that
goes by determines how many people get shot. Let me
say that again. Make sure everybody gets that. The amount
of time that goes by before it stops determines how
many people get shot. So the question is how quickly
(07:30):
do you want it to end, which is another way
of saying, how many people are you willing to allow
to be shot before you stop it? If you say
we must call people who are wearing uniforms to come
stop it, you're saying you're okay with a lot of
people being shot.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh that's not what I'm saying. Oh, yes, it is.
You just don't know it. You start aware of it.
If you have to wait three, four, five.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Six, ten minutes for the police to get there, you're
saying I'm okay with somebody shooting somebody every five seconds
for five minutes. You do the math, and ed Monk said,
you know, if you can stop it in thirty seconds,
you can probably keep the number of people shot to
single digits, just a single digit, fewer than ten. How
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do you stop it in thirty seconds? How do you
get a police response time? Oh yeah, you can't. They
can't be there in thirty seconds. Who can be there
in thirty seconds The people who are right there when
it starts, that's who. And they're the only ones who
can stop it in thirty seconds. And I don't care
(08:47):
if it's a Catholic priest, and oh yeah, I know,
Catholic priests who carry guns under their robes while they're
doing services. Yes, or it's a teacher, or it's a gent,
or it's a staff member, or it's another adult there.
I don't care, don't care why this person is doing
(09:08):
all this. I just wanted to stop. I wanted to
stop before they killed anybody else. And the only way
that we identified so far, and it works every single
time to reduce the body count is to shoot him.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And here's the thing. People say, well, what if, what if?
What if? What if?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What if that person shoots a nan, it's a child,
what if it shoots a bystander? Has it ever happened?
All the what else in the world are just silly.
It's never happened. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Certainly
it can, but it hasn't. So why are you spinning
your wheels on what if?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
What?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
The simple fact is, as soon as somebody shoots back
at this murderer, the killings stop.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Whether you hit the.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Person or not, does it really do determine that they
simply stop shooting other people when incoming fire comes their way.
Usually often this person kills himself for herself, which is okay.
You may see that's tragic. Actually, I don't think so.
(10:18):
The person has stopped murdering children. So the question on
the floor is what are we going to do? And
I would offer a thought for you if this is
important to you, if you would like to see this
situation improve, you might want to go on Amazon and
grab a couple of copies maybe more, of Ed Monk's book.
(10:42):
First thirty seconds, and when you're talking to a principal
or a school board member, or a pastor or a priest,
hand them the book and say you cannot understand this
subject unless you've read this book. You cannot argue intelligently
(11:03):
about the subject until you understand what's in this book
and understand what has gone before and what works and
what doesn't, what has been tried and failed, which is
all the things you're proposing, and what has been tried
and succeeds, which is putting armed people in the classroom
with people. This run hide fight program they have is
(11:27):
actually run hide die. It doesn't work. My number is
eight sixty six. Talk gun or Tom, talk gun. We'll
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Kim Roady from California, Welcome back to gun Talk, the
place where we celebrate all things shooting, hunting and the
Second Amendment. Talking back eighty six to six Talk gun
is the number here or Tom Talk Gun. Well, I
certainly take your range of ports. If you've got some
thoughts on the murders in Minneapolis and people's response to
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it and how the media colors it.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I mean, we had.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
ABC say, well, the shooter had Donald Trump's name, on
his gun as though he was a supporter of Donald Trump.
Of course, what he had on his rifle was kill
Donald Trump. That's how much they slant the news, and
(14:47):
most people here and that would never know that they've
been lied to by ABC. Well, if you are a
thinking person, you'd know. I'm listening to ABC. I'm watching ABC.
I must be getting li too. Okay, grabbing the phones
here line too. Charles is with us out of Ohio. Hello, Charles,
you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Hey Tom, thanks for taking my call, and also thank
you to Michelle for being so accommodating on the phone.
And I can't speak your phone just for a minute,
because I read this. I tell you did side tracked
me with the with the shooting because I saw something
on Facebook the other day that said, who needs I
don't know something about something, something that can shoot hundred
(15:30):
and sixteen rounds that fast or whatever? And my response was,
who needs that? The teachers and the staff at that school,
that's who. That's who needed something that can shoot?
Speaker 9 (15:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
So but anyway, the reason why, the reason why I
called was two things. Going on vacation to Florida beginning
of October so my wife and I each locked in
a range ready class for October eleventh. I thought I
would share that I did want to go from from Ohio.
So it's you know, a pretty I'm like, I'm never
(16:02):
going to be able to get there in Louisiana. Well,
I guess I do, and you'll have fun anyway. The
range report. Mike took my nephew to the range and
we we were I went, I forget what he had.
It was a forty five something or other, had my block,
my block twenty two, my nine millimeter block, and twenty
(16:25):
two caliber block.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
I should say not that they used.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Some some weird numbers with that, and a couple others.
And I had my dad's lit and Lesson model thirty
nine dash too, which, in case you were and the
listeners aren't real familiar, a quick background of that is.
I guess the thirty nine was made for the military,
discarded and according to the Google with my serial number,
mine was made want my dad's which is about mine now,
(16:51):
just about my mine mouth was made nineteen seventy two
to nineteen seventy seven. And we started shooting that thing
and we were just like, oh my gosh, this thing
is so much fun and so accurate, you know, more
so fun than any of the newer stuff that we have,
and probably more accurate than the newer stuff that we had,
(17:14):
And it was just it was a blast to shoot.
The reason why why I wanted to mention that is
because I think it's an I'm not familiar with the
nineteen eleven platforms, but I think it might be very
similar to one. It looks like it's.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
The thirty nine was a little similar. It's definitely not
a nineteen eleven. Do you have a nineteen eleven?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I don't, and I never wanted one because I hear
if you shoot one, you never want to shoot anything else.
So I never wanted to shoot one. But this thing here,
it makes me kind of want to shoot a nineteen eleven.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Well you should, and it is true.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Once you do it, you're going to go, Okay, I
get it now, I see what you guys are talking about.
It's not that you're not going to like your other guy.
It's just that you're going to say, I now appreciate
what a nineteen eleven is and what it can do
with a good trigger and all the rest of it.
And it may not be your carry gun. You know,
it's not perfect any more than any other pistols perfect.
But what it really is, honestly, a good nineteen eleven
(18:14):
is simply really delightful to shoot. The experience of shooting
it is so much fun. And the people I have
introduced to. If I was out of the range yesterday
with Buddy, he says, you know, I think we're going
to have to get to nineteen eleven. I said, really,
he's got some nice guns. He says, yeah. I said, well,
let me know when you're ready, we'll poke around and
find you something. And definitely want it a nine millimeters
(18:36):
so it's one of those. He's been shooting mine for
a while and he goes, you know, man, those things
really shoot well. Yes, they do well. I would here's
the deal. I would recommend that you go ahead and
do it. Don't be afraid that you're going to like
it a lot. You are going to like it a lot.
And you know, as long as you got other nines,
you might as well get at nine because they just
shoot sweetly. Look, I appreciate the call, sir, the nineteen eleven.
(19:03):
There's there's something going on here. I think, okay, and
this last call.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It's part of that.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
There may be a little bit of a reverse movement
of people discovering I was going to say rediscovering, but
for a lot of them, it's discovering for the first
time what it's like to shoot an all metal gun.
If you grew up on plastic guns, and look, I
got nothing wrong with them, I shoo him, I carry them.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I got a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But you don't know what it feels like to shoot
an all metal gun, whether it's in nineteen eleven or
a nine forty five or whatever burre out of ninety two.
It is something. They feel different, and people are gonna go,
what do you mean it feels different. I don't know
what to tell you. It just feels different.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
To me.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It feels more substantial. People have said, well, the recoiled
pulse is different. Okay, I'm not sure that I would
know how to describe a recoil impulse, but I think
it is. It's different. I like the way they shoot
case in point. SIG has the P three sixty five polymer.
(20:16):
They also have the P three sixty five exg Legion,
which is a metal frame version of the P three
sixty five. I shoot him side by side. I've had
other people shoot him side by side. One hundred percent
of the people prefer the metal frame to the polymer frame.
Just I don't know, listen, not a big sample, it's
not scientific. It's just the people I have had shoot
(20:39):
both of them. Not exactly the same pistol, but real close,
probably as close as we can get to an ab
test like that. Everybody prefers the metal frame gun. I'm
wondering if people discovering the nineteen eleven part of it
is the metal frame could be lot of it. Of course,
(21:00):
is the trigger, because I mean, the trigger is just marvelous.
On the nineteen eleven. The design is different. It's not
a curved piece of metal that pivots at the top
and swings around.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
In an arc.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It is the trigger mechanism slides straight back and forth.
It doesn't pivot, and so that's very different. It feels different,
and once you get used to it, you go, oh, man,
I can shoot the devil out of this.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yes you can. So I don't know, I mean, what
do you think.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Is there something going on with people when they shoot
an all metal pistol for the first time, they go, oh,
that's different. I kind of like that. And if you're
an older shooter, veteran shooter, experienced shooter like I am,
you go, yeah, that's what we all grew up with
and started with. And then we went to the plastic
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fantastic and they have their points as well. I like them,
as I say, I hone them, carry them all of that. Man,
you give me a choice of which one's more fun
to shoot at the range. Yeah, it's not only gonna
be a metal gun. It's gonna be up nineteen eleven.
That's what's gonna be. Go step aside here like that.
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I was out at the range yesterday a couple of buddies.
We're doing some shooting. We've got a timer, shooting pistols,
and I was kind of watching what was going on,
and I have these random thoughts when we're doing this,
and I was wondering how many people actually use If
you're not a competitive shooter, if you're a shooting competition.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Do you have a timer?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And then I was thinking, you know, I got all
these people who say I've got a gun for self defense. Okay,
what does that mean? Well, this means you are vetting
everything on that gun. And the question is are you practicing?
Are you training and practicing as though your life depends
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on it? Because that's what it really means when you
say I've got a self defense gun. Are you practicing
as though your life depends on it? And we hear
these things like, well, you know, slow is smooth and
smooth as fast. Nah, you know what slow is slow?
(23:30):
That's all it is slow and slow. Fast is fast.
Had one of our buddies were shooting with shoots very
well shoots or these accurates all get out, but not
fast at all, and had not a lot of drawing,
had done a lot of that. H So we're drawing
(23:51):
with a timer and he's slow, and I said, well,
you don't, let me see if I can coach you
up just a little bit. How about moving faster to
the gun because it was kind of lackadaisical about getting
his hand down to the gun and getting it up,
you know, on target. I'm reminded of Clint Smith. He says,
draw fast, shoot good, get the gun out of the
(24:13):
holster fast, get it on target fast. Now take an
extra split second to make sure your shot is good.
We carved a second off of his time for shooting
five targets just by getting to move fast to the
gun instead of just kind of laysing around. Then he
(24:34):
was and this is why you need somebody to watch you.
He's regripping the very common, regripping after every shot, loosening
his grip tight that back up, very common. I said,
you know, you got to stop doing that because you're
basically trying to get a fresh grip of the gun
every time it slows you down.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
How do you correct that? Well, a couple of ways
I could, two or three ways.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
One is to grab it, grab the gun hard, I
mean really really grip the gun hard, like go to
a white knuckle hard.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And then hold that and shoot. The other is to
shoot pairs, pop up, pop up.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You're not going to regrip between those and then go
three shots, pop up up, and then think, okay, how
does that feel? What is not doing? Okay, that's my feel,
That's what I want. So moving to the gun fast,
getting it out of the holster, making sure you're if
you're shooting right now, your left hand isn't out in
front of the muzzle. It's a two handed move. When
you go to the draw, your right hand goes to
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the gun and your left hand goes to your chest.
Why is that, Well, it's out of the way. You're
not gonna point your gun in your hand. It allows
you to marry up your hands right there at your chest,
not somewhere out in.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Front of you. And then you drive.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You don't just push the gun out, You drive it
toward the target with both hands. Get on targets, a
digressive athletic move. You must if you're serious about this stuff.
You must have a timer. You must work on your time,
(26:13):
because it's time and accuracy. Accuracy is not enough if
you're slow. The difference in speed may make the difference
in whether you live or your family members live. So
are you training as though your life actually depends on it.
People pay a lot of lip service to this stuff.
(26:36):
Oh yeah, I've been shooting all my life. I don't care.
You're probably lousy if you say that I was in
the military, ditto on lousy. But if you tell me,
oh yeah, I shoot idpa USPSA, I do still challenge competitions. Okay,
now I'm listening. You know that alone is not gun
(26:58):
fighting trading. But you probably hand your gun pretty well.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
If you don't do any of those kind of suggest
you might want to consider going and finding arrange where
they're doing that kind of competition and signing up and
just go do the first one. See what it's like.
Here's what you're going to find. Well, here's what all
of us have discovered, myself included. You go to one
of these and you go, wow, the twelve year old
(27:25):
beat me. Yeah, because she has been doing this a
while and she understands this combination of speed and accuracy.
And once you start being exposed to it and you
start trying it, you're going to go, oh, I get it,
and you'll get better so fast you won't believe it.
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So my thought for today is to train and practice
as though your life depends on if you have a
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My buddy Mike, who we were shooting with yesterday, who
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timer out and started doing a little coaching. He says,
you know, if you can't measure it, you can't measure improvement.
It's a great point. Appreciate that, Mike. Let's go to
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for holding you're on gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Sir?
Speaker 9 (30:53):
So.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
As soon as I heard this thing that happened in Minneapolis,
first thing I went to was after.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
Saves Laws.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
All the radio WGSO banging away pastor saved lives, as say,
lies faster sase lives do not read at the wheel
passer says lies.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
For those who don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
The FASTER program teachers, oh, teachers and administrators and staff,
how to carry how to basically protect children. It's a
really good program. I think it started in Ohio. They
also have it in Colorado and maybe other states now.
But yeah, Faster Saves Lives is a really good place
(31:35):
to go for that information. As you mentioned that, Matthew
to people, do they get what you're talking about?
Speaker 10 (31:41):
Well, if I have a chance to explain, and but
most of them just like freak out, Oh my god,
teachers with guns. But haven't you heard the abuse that
the teachers are doing. I'm like most of them aren't.
For heaven's sake.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Well, you know, we have a whole bunch of states
now where teachers ken and r carrying guns, and you
would have to search really hard and far to find
any kind of an issue with that. You know, haven't
shot the wrong people, they haven't shot any kids, haven't
had any kids to get their guns, none of that stuff.
(32:16):
Although the what if this and what if that? Oh
my gosh, just like you know, instead of wondering what if,
I tell them, let's find out what is what is
the actual track record instead of feeding your fears. And Matthew,
thank you for bringing up the faster program. Faster Saveslives
dot org is a really good program. You can go
take a look at that. Let me grab Perry out
(32:38):
of Farmington, New Mexico. He's on three.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Perry. Thank you for your paceence. How can we help
you today?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That time?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Hey, this week was out shopping and I picked up
a really nice older Smith and Wesson revolver. It is
an N It's an N frame model twenty eighth Dish two,
which was three. But the gun is chambered in forty
five colts. Okay, So I'm just I'm just curious if
(33:08):
you knew anything like why somebody would do something like that, or.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Oh yeah, because because the forty five colts are cool cartridge.
That's for a reason right.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
There, Okay, back, and then the gun was originally built
in like seventy three.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Okay, I don't I don't think that is a factory conversion,
but there are gunsmiths out there who have done that
in the past. And look, the forty five colt is
just one of the great cartridges. And people say, yeah, yeah,
forty five copd but I don't think I understand how
good it is and how much more surface area you
get with a forty five, even over a forty four,
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it's considerably more surface area.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
Okay, I just want to They make the Model twenty five,
so I just right.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, the model twenty five, Well, the Model twenty five
is the forty five ECP.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
I thought if it was hot numbered three diss five,
it was like it was even numbered.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Oh okay, it might it might be.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And I'm not that much into the Smith, but I
always thought that the Model twenty five was a forty
five ACP. Uh were you about the gun? Why did
you buy the gun if it's.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
The forty five car because I got a I don't
care what caliber it is. I just love the I
just let the older Smith and Wesson revolvers. You know
that I have the firing pin on the hammer and
those right now.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I understand, all right, Look, I appreciate that. Yeah, the
one gun I regret selling, well, kind of regret. I
had a five inch factory five inch barrel Model twenty
seven Smith forty fifty seven magnum, the inframe, big reframe
(34:54):
with a five inch barrel, and while I kind of
missed the revolver. I had to sell it to buy
my way out of a contract at the NRA so
I could quit working at the NRA and d C,
and that was worthwhile. So I don't miss it enough
to want to go back and work there. I can
tell you that. Let's see here, John's in Buffalo Online.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Four. Hey John, what are your mind? Sir?
Speaker 11 (35:18):
Last week on show you had a gentleman callin over
ray report and had a nineteen eleven frame with the
seventy six five. Right, I've got the C, I've got
the CZ, and I've got the TALKEROVS. That is my
(35:39):
favorite caliber. Oh where can I get? Where can I
get one of those?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
As far as I can tell, it's a conversion in
J and G Sales out in Prescott, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Sold the barrel and sold the conversion.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I looked on their website right now it's showing it
out of stock and not available. I don't know if
somebody else is making a conversion a nineteen eleven conversion
for that, or if you can get barrels. I would
think that somebody is, but just off hand, I don't know,
but you should be able to define that and get
that if you do some poker, and.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well, let's do this.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
If somebody knows where you can get a conversion kit
or barrels for your nineteen eleven to convert it for
the seven six two by forty five. Now it was
a forty five, right, six two by.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Forty five, seventy six to twenty.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Five, twenty five.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Okay, I don't know why I was thinking forty five. Okay, Well,
we'll see if we can get you some information. You
keep listening, we'll see if figure around that up for you.
I appreciate that, sir. So there was this thing that
happened about twenty years ago, almost exactly twenty years ago.
It was called Hurricane Katrina, and it was a man
made disaster. And you're thinking, what hurricane. No, no, no,
hurricane was natural. The flooding of New Orleans was man
(36:52):
made because government built levees and government built protection of
the city failed, not unexpectedly. They were cheap, shoddy work,
and just it failed. A lot of people died. But
what was interesting is that we got to watch it
(37:12):
on TV. It was the first time many Americans saw
what happens when you have no more government protections. You
have no more government services. You don't have any police,
you don't have any electricity, you don't have any cel
phone service, you don't have anything. It's all gone, and
anarchy breaks out instantaneously. And one of the aftermass of
(37:38):
Katrina that people don't talk about is that millions of
people watching that turned to each other and said, wow,
there's no nine to one one, there's nobody there to
come help us. What if that happened here, honey, We
probably ought to think about getting a gun. And a
(38:01):
lot of people went out and bought their first guns
as a result of watching what happened with Hurricane Katrina.
If you're one of those people, I hope you went
and got some training as well. It's been twenty years now,
you've got plenty of time. But it is an example
of stuff happens, and you never know when it's going
to happen. And you know what, the only people you
(38:21):
could depend on is you, by the way, you do know, right, And.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
This is fact. The police have no legal duty to
help you.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
They actually don't have a legal duty to help anyone.
You can call them, they don't have to come, and
if they come, they don't have to protect you. And
there's nothing you can do legally to force them to
or to seek some kind of restitution if they don't.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
You know what that means. This course is ruled on this.
That means, as we have always thought, you are on
your own.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
You are your own first responder. The only question is
are you prepared, are you trained? Are you ready? And
will you do it? I was thinking about the murderer
in Minnesota that killed the two kids and shots other people,
(39:15):
shooting them through the window. He's outside, they were inside.
It reminded me I talk about these intop moments the
I never thought of that moments. I was going through
a shoot house at gun sights some years ago, and
I think, I'm just doing it great, man. I'm high
in the corners, I'm going through the rooms, I'm clearing
the rooms. I'm going room to room and you know,
(39:38):
walking my way around. I'm just I'm doing great. And
I finish and Structor says, all right, walk with me.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
We go back.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
And of course you got all these people targets that
as they appear when you're going around a corner, you
figure out they're a good guy or a bad guy.
He says, look out the window. They got open one.
There's no gol and there's a bad guy outside the
building where I am pointing a gun at me. I
(40:08):
never looked out the window, walked right by, it would
have gotten smoked. When you imagine yourself going through your
house or clearing a building or anything, do you think
about windows. Do you think about there could be somebody
out there who's looking in.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
In your mind?
Speaker 11 (40:28):
Have you.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Shot through the glass of your own house? When you
do your scenarios in your head, there's somebody out there
pointing a gun at you. Have you shot him through
the window of your own house. Most people don't even
think about it. We tend to think of windows as walls.
They're a barrier that keep out everything. They don't keep
(40:53):
out bullets. People say, well, what could they do. He's outside,
he's shooting in the window. You shoot back out through
the window. The bullets will go both ways, and the
moment you shoot at him, frankly, whether you hit him
or not, he's going to stop shooting. The good guys
probably kill himself even better if you shoot him and
(41:15):
hit him. Good guys have stopped a lot of these
active shooter incidents or attacks. The public doesn't know about
it because the media doesn't like to talk about it
because it doesn't work with the narrative they have, which
is at its core, all about banning guns, taking guns
away from you and me. They'll talk guns, guns, guns,
(41:36):
and they'll play up all these politicians are going, guns, guns, guns, huns.
The problem, Well, you know, we have more guns and
places that don't have those shootings than we do in
places that do have the shootings. They say, well, the
guns are coming in from places with more lacks gun
control laws. Okay, let's examine that. The places where the
(41:57):
guns are coming from, assuming where it's going to assume
it's true, have lower crime than you do. You have
more gun control where you are. And you're saying the
problem is where we are, we have less gun control laws,
and the guns are coming from here and we have
less crime. Are you even hearing yourself? The logic of
(42:21):
that just doesn't exist. It's not even there, you know,
and all that's big picture stuff, And I tend to
want to help you understand that. That's well fun to
yack about on social media. It does you no good.
It does you no good to spend any of your
(42:42):
time talking about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
You know what, does do you good?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Going to the range, getting a gun, a timer, shot timer,
going and getting classes take a gun fighting class, not
a how to shoot well class. Different thing altogether. What's
going to make a difference to you and your life?
That not arguing about gun control or Second Amendment or
(43:05):
you know, the media or the bias, or you're right,
you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I'm right that lad all.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Let junk get to the range, buy more ammo, shoot
a bunch, become actually really good. Here's the problem. You
don't know if you're good or not if you haven't
put it to the test. Go shoot against somebody, or
shoot against the timer, and then try to get better
and then figure out how to get better.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
It's only your life. It's runs the life of your
kids and your family.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
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It's actually quite varied.
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It's always the self defense is always the number one reason,
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And then of.
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Course we're going to be able to talk about the
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and we'll talk about that as well.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
But now I got to get to this.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I want to talk about the murders in Minneapolis, and
I hope you'll bear with me because I have some
real serious thoughts about this, and I think most of
the discussion is misplaced and misdirected and narrow minded and
mean and politically motive. You got a crazy person who
(02:06):
killed two very young people in a church school, church,
shot seventeen other people shot him through the window. People say, oh,
he was outside, she was outside whatever. I don't care,
he's she it.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Person plays a thing, doesn't matter to me. All these
people talking about he was trans, I don't care. How
many times have you heard me say I don't care,
don't care what motivation was. Well, how are we going
(02:42):
to prevent it? I don't know that. You are, honestly, well,
how are we going? No, stop, you're looking at it wrong.
Well we must know. And then today on Fox News
I hear a guy who is a former assistant attorney
or US attorney. He says, I keep telling people it's guns, guns, guns,
(03:05):
because we're arresting people at you know, carrying guns without
a permit, and we need to send us some stop
just stop, would you are you even listening to yourself?
We have twenty nine almost thirty states about to be
thirty states. Well, you don't need you're not required to
(03:28):
have a permit of any kind to carry a firearm
on your person concealed almost everywhere you go. I mean
we're twenty nine states, more than half the states. You
don't need to permit. So what are you what are
you even talking about? Or we're resting people for having guns,
(03:49):
carrying guns without a permit. You should be working to
get rid of the permit system altogether, and then you
should be identifying people who shouldn't who are breaking the law.
You know, almost everybody, almost everybody that the authorities catch
(04:11):
for violent crime, the authorities have had before, they've had
them in their hands for previous crimes, and let them
go the system.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Let them go.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm pretty sure that
if you don't let them go, they don't commit more
crimes on the public. They're making that crimes in prison,
but they're not going to be out here doing more
stuff to us. It just seems fairly obvious to me.
(04:49):
So the attention and the direction and the focus is
all wrong. A lot of people say, well, how are
we going to stop this? Well, they get confused, They
confuse the difference between preventing these kind of events and
stopping these kind of events them preventing them is now,
(05:15):
it's a societal thing, it's law enforcement, it's this. That's
a lot of different things. And sure, do what you
want to do what you can. You know, clamping down
on gun ownership is it going to do anything? They
already broke the law? What are you thinking? I tend
to focus more on what are you going to do
(05:35):
to stop them? Once they start? You know, we had
ed monk on here a couple of weeks ago. You
wrote this book first thirty seconds. He's researched active shooters extensively,
studied many many of these episodes and figured out what
works and what doesn't work. And he teaches classes and
(05:57):
talks to schools and talks to churches, and the pushback
he gets is unbelievable. And he says, look, it's just
time and math. It is pretty easy to understand once
the shooting starts, once the bad guy gets there and
wants to kill a lot of people, and look, you
got to understand what's really behind it. I mean, if
(06:19):
you can say, okay, it's drugs, it's this, it's that, Okay, great,
But what that person wants to do the immediate goal
is two things. Wants to die, because he or she
wants to die, it's a suicide deal. And the other
is this person wants to become famous by killing a
lot of people. They worship previous mass shooters. They refer
(06:46):
to them in their writings and then their YouTube videos.
They want they talk about wanting to have a higher
body count. So understand what you're working with here. Their
goal list to kill as many people as possible. Okay,
once the event starts and they fire the first shot,
(07:10):
now it's time and math. The amount of time that
goes by determines how many people get shot. Let me
say that again. Make sure everybody gets that. The amount
of time that goes by before it stops determines how
many people get shot. So the question is how quickly
(07:30):
do you want it to end, which is another way
of saying, how many people are you willing to allow
to be shot before you stop it? If you say
we must call people who are wearing uniforms to come
stop it, you're saying you're okay with a lot of
people being shot.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh that's not what I'm saying. Oh, yes, it is.
You just don't know it. You start aware of it.
If you have to wait three, four, five.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Six, ten minutes for the police to get there, you're
saying I'm okay with somebody shooting somebody every five seconds
for five minutes. You do the math, and ed Monk said,
you know, if you can stop it in thirty seconds,
you can probably keep the number of people shot to
single digits, just a single digit, fewer than ten. How
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do you stop it in thirty seconds? How do you
get a police response time? Oh yeah, you can't. They
can't be there in thirty seconds. Who can be there
in thirty seconds The people who are right there when
it starts, that's who. And they're the only ones who
can stop it in thirty seconds. And I don't care
(08:47):
if it's a Catholic priest, and oh yeah, I know,
Catholic priests who carry guns under their robes while they're
doing services. Yes, or it's a teacher, or it's a gent,
or it's a staff member, or it's another adult there.
I don't care, don't care why this person is doing
(09:08):
all this. I just wanted to stop. I wanted to
stop before they killed anybody else. And the only way
that we identified so far, and it works every single
time to reduce the body count is to shoot him.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And here's the thing. People say, well, what if, what if?
What if? What if?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
What if that person shoots a nan, it's a child,
what if it shoots a bystander? Has it ever happened?
All the what else in the world are just silly.
It's never happened. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Certainly
it can, but it hasn't. So why are you spinning
your wheels on what if?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
What?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
The simple fact is, as soon as somebody shoots back
at this murderer, the killings stop.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Whether you hit the.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Person or not, does it really do determine that they
simply stop shooting other people when incoming fire comes their way.
Usually often this person kills himself for herself, which is okay.
You may see that's tragic. Actually, I don't think so.
(10:18):
The person has stopped murdering children. So the question on
the floor is what are we going to do? And
I would offer a thought for you if this is
important to you, if you would like to see this
situation improve, you might want to go on Amazon and
grab a couple of copies maybe more, of Ed Monk's book.
(10:42):
First thirty seconds, and when you're talking to a principal
or a school board member, or a pastor or a priest,
hand them the book and say you cannot understand this
subject unless you've read this book. You cannot argue intelligently
(11:03):
about the subject until you understand what's in this book
and understand what has gone before and what works and
what doesn't, what has been tried and failed, which is
all the things you're proposing, and what has been tried
and succeeds, which is putting armed people in the classroom
with people. This run hide fight program they have is
(11:27):
actually run hide die. It doesn't work. My number is
eight sixty six. Talk gun or Tom, talk gun. We'll
continue this conversation. No doubt you have thoughts on it,
You're welcome to share them.
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Be right back.
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Kim Roady from California, Welcome back to gun Talk, the
place where we celebrate all things shooting, hunting and the
Second Amendment. Talking back eighty six to six Talk gun
is the number here or Tom Talk Gun. Well, I
certainly take your range of ports. If you've got some
thoughts on the murders in Minneapolis and people's response to
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it and how the media colors it.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I mean, we had.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
ABC say, well, the shooter had Donald Trump's name, on
his gun as though he was a supporter of Donald Trump.
Of course, what he had on his rifle was kill
Donald Trump. That's how much they slant the news, and
(14:47):
most people here and that would never know that they've
been lied to by ABC. Well, if you are a
thinking person, you'd know. I'm listening to ABC. I'm watching ABC.
I must be getting li too. Okay, grabbing the phones
here line too. Charles is with us out of Ohio. Hello, Charles,
you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Hey Tom, thanks for taking my call, and also thank
you to Michelle for being so accommodating on the phone.
And I can't speak your phone just for a minute,
because I read this. I tell you did side tracked
me with the with the shooting because I saw something
on Facebook the other day that said, who needs I
don't know something about something, something that can shoot hundred
(15:30):
and sixteen rounds that fast or whatever? And my response was,
who needs that? The teachers and the staff at that school,
that's who. That's who needed something that can shoot?
Speaker 9 (15:39):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
So but anyway, the reason why, the reason why I
called was two things. Going on vacation to Florida beginning
of October so my wife and I each locked in
a range ready class for October eleventh. I thought I
would share that I did want to go from from Ohio.
So it's you know, a pretty I'm like, I'm never
(16:02):
going to be able to get there in Louisiana. Well,
I guess I do, and you'll have fun anyway. The
range report. Mike took my nephew to the range and
we we were I went, I forget what he had.
It was a forty five something or other, had my block,
my block twenty two, my nine millimeter block, and twenty
(16:25):
two caliber block.
Speaker 9 (16:26):
I should say not that they used.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Some some weird numbers with that, and a couple others.
And I had my dad's lit and Lesson model thirty
nine dash too, which, in case you were and the
listeners aren't real familiar, a quick background of that is.
I guess the thirty nine was made for the military,
discarded and according to the Google with my serial number,
mine was made want my dad's which is about mine now,
(16:51):
just about my mine mouth was made nineteen seventy two
to nineteen seventy seven. And we started shooting that thing
and we were just like, oh my gosh, this thing
is so much fun and so accurate, you know, more
so fun than any of the newer stuff that we have,
and probably more accurate than the newer stuff that we had,
(17:14):
And it was just it was a blast to shoot.
The reason why why I wanted to mention that is
because I think it's an I'm not familiar with the
nineteen eleven platforms, but I think it might be very
similar to one. It looks like it's.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
The thirty nine was a little similar. It's definitely not
a nineteen eleven. Do you have a nineteen eleven?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I don't, and I never wanted one because I hear
if you shoot one, you never want to shoot anything else.
So I never wanted to shoot one. But this thing here,
it makes me kind of want to shoot a nineteen eleven.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Well you should, and it is true.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Once you do it, you're going to go, Okay, I
get it now, I see what you guys are talking about.
It's not that you're not going to like your other guy.
It's just that you're going to say, I now appreciate
what a nineteen eleven is and what it can do
with a good trigger and all the rest of it.
And it may not be your carry gun. You know,
it's not perfect any more than any other pistols perfect.
But what it really is, honestly, a good nineteen eleven
(18:14):
is simply really delightful to shoot. The experience of shooting
it is so much fun. And the people I have
introduced to. If I was out of the range yesterday
with Buddy, he says, you know, I think we're going
to have to get to nineteen eleven. I said, really,
he's got some nice guns. He says, yeah. I said, well,
let me know when you're ready, we'll poke around and
find you something. And definitely want it a nine millimeters
(18:36):
so it's one of those. He's been shooting mine for
a while and he goes, you know, man, those things
really shoot well. Yes, they do well. I would here's
the deal. I would recommend that you go ahead and
do it. Don't be afraid that you're going to like
it a lot. You are going to like it a lot.
And you know, as long as you got other nines,
you might as well get at nine because they just
shoot sweetly. Look, I appreciate the call, sir, the nineteen eleven.
(19:03):
There's there's something going on here. I think, okay, and
this last call.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It's part of that.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
There may be a little bit of a reverse movement
of people discovering I was going to say rediscovering, but
for a lot of them, it's discovering for the first
time what it's like to shoot an all metal gun.
If you grew up on plastic guns, and look, I
got nothing wrong with them, I shoo him, I carry them.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I got a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But you don't know what it feels like to shoot
an all metal gun, whether it's in nineteen eleven or
a nine forty five or whatever burre out of ninety two.
It is something. They feel different, and people are gonna go,
what do you mean it feels different. I don't know
what to tell you. It just feels different.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
To me.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It feels more substantial. People have said, well, the recoiled
pulse is different. Okay, I'm not sure that I would
know how to describe a recoil impulse, but I think
it is. It's different. I like the way they shoot
case in point. SIG has the P three sixty five polymer.
(20:16):
They also have the P three sixty five exg Legion,
which is a metal frame version of the P three
sixty five. I shoot him side by side. I've had
other people shoot him side by side. One hundred percent
of the people prefer the metal frame to the polymer frame.
Just I don't know, listen, not a big sample, it's
not scientific. It's just the people I have had shoot
(20:39):
both of them. Not exactly the same pistol, but real close,
probably as close as we can get to an ab
test like that. Everybody prefers the metal frame gun. I'm
wondering if people discovering the nineteen eleven part of it
is the metal frame could be lot of it. Of course,
(21:00):
is the trigger, because I mean, the trigger is just marvelous.
On the nineteen eleven. The design is different. It's not
a curved piece of metal that pivots at the top
and swings around.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
In an arc.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It is the trigger mechanism slides straight back and forth.
It doesn't pivot, and so that's very different. It feels different,
and once you get used to it, you go, oh, man,
I can shoot the devil out of this.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yes you can. So I don't know, I mean, what
do you think.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Is there something going on with people when they shoot
an all metal pistol for the first time, they go, oh,
that's different. I kind of like that. And if you're
an older shooter, veteran shooter, experienced shooter like I am,
you go, yeah, that's what we all grew up with
and started with. And then we went to the plastic
(21:52):
fantastic and they have their points as well. I like them,
as I say, I hone them, carry them all of that. Man,
you give me a choice of which one's more fun
to shoot at the range. Yeah, it's not only gonna
be a metal gun. It's gonna be up nineteen eleven.
That's what's gonna be. Go step aside here like that.
(22:21):
I was out at the range yesterday a couple of buddies.
We're doing some shooting. We've got a timer, shooting pistols,
and I was kind of watching what was going on,
and I have these random thoughts when we're doing this,
and I was wondering how many people actually use If
you're not a competitive shooter, if you're a shooting competition.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Do you have a timer?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And then I was thinking, you know, I got all
these people who say I've got a gun for self defense. Okay,
what does that mean? Well, this means you are vetting
everything on that gun. And the question is are you practicing?
Are you training and practicing as though your life depends
(23:06):
on it? Because that's what it really means when you
say I've got a self defense gun. Are you practicing
as though your life depends on it? And we hear
these things like, well, you know, slow is smooth and
smooth as fast. Nah, you know what slow is slow?
(23:30):
That's all it is slow and slow. Fast is fast.
Had one of our buddies were shooting with shoots very
well shoots or these accurates all get out, but not
fast at all, and had not a lot of drawing,
had done a lot of that. H So we're drawing
(23:51):
with a timer and he's slow, and I said, well,
you don't, let me see if I can coach you
up just a little bit. How about moving faster to
the gun because it was kind of lackadaisical about getting
his hand down to the gun and getting it up,
you know, on target. I'm reminded of Clint Smith. He says,
draw fast, shoot good, get the gun out of the
(24:13):
holster fast, get it on target fast. Now take an
extra split second to make sure your shot is good.
We carved a second off of his time for shooting
five targets just by getting to move fast to the
gun instead of just kind of laysing around. Then he
(24:34):
was and this is why you need somebody to watch you.
He's regripping the very common, regripping after every shot, loosening
his grip tight that back up, very common. I said,
you know, you got to stop doing that because you're
basically trying to get a fresh grip of the gun
every time it slows you down.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
How do you correct that? Well, a couple of ways
I could, two or three ways.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
One is to grab it, grab the gun hard, I
mean really really grip the gun hard, like go to
a white knuckle hard.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
And then hold that and shoot. The other is to
shoot pairs, pop up, pop up.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You're not going to regrip between those and then go
three shots, pop up up, and then think, okay, how
does that feel? What is not doing? Okay, that's my feel,
That's what I want. So moving to the gun fast,
getting it out of the holster, making sure you're if
you're shooting right now, your left hand isn't out in
front of the muzzle. It's a two handed move. When
you go to the draw, your right hand goes to
(25:37):
the gun and your left hand goes to your chest.
Why is that, Well, it's out of the way. You're
not gonna point your gun in your hand. It allows
you to marry up your hands right there at your chest,
not somewhere out in.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Front of you. And then you drive.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You don't just push the gun out, You drive it
toward the target with both hands. Get on targets, a
digressive athletic move. You must if you're serious about this stuff.
You must have a timer. You must work on your time,
(26:13):
because it's time and accuracy. Accuracy is not enough if
you're slow. The difference in speed may make the difference
in whether you live or your family members live. So
are you training as though your life actually depends on it.
People pay a lot of lip service to this stuff.
(26:36):
Oh yeah, I've been shooting all my life. I don't care.
You're probably lousy if you say that I was in
the military, ditto on lousy. But if you tell me,
oh yeah, I shoot idpa USPSA, I do still challenge competitions. Okay,
now I'm listening. You know that alone is not gun
(26:58):
fighting trading. But you probably hand your gun pretty well.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
If you don't do any of those kind of suggest
you might want to consider going and finding arrange where
they're doing that kind of competition and signing up and
just go do the first one. See what it's like.
Here's what you're going to find. Well, here's what all
of us have discovered, myself included. You go to one
of these and you go, wow, the twelve year old
(27:25):
beat me. Yeah, because she has been doing this a
while and she understands this combination of speed and accuracy.
And once you start being exposed to it and you
start trying it, you're going to go, oh, I get it,
and you'll get better so fast you won't believe it.
(27:45):
So my thought for today is to train and practice
as though your life depends on if you have a
gun for self defense. Get serious about it. Hey, when
we come back, I want to talk about an event
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I'll talk about a shot tim where it's specifically made
for timing gunshots and it's a really good training device.
My buddy Mike, who we were shooting with yesterday, who
really improved, is shooting very quickly once we got the
timer out and started doing a little coaching. He says,
you know, if you can't measure it, you can't measure improvement.
It's a great point. Appreciate that, Mike. Let's go to
the phones line five, Matthews and Matie Louisiana. Matthew, thanks
(30:49):
for holding you're on gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Sir?
Speaker 9 (30:53):
So.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
As soon as I heard this thing that happened in Minneapolis,
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Speaker 9 (30:58):
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Speaker 4 (31:13):
For those who don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
The FASTER program teachers, oh, teachers and administrators and staff,
how to carry how to basically protect children. It's a
really good program. I think it started in Ohio. They
also have it in Colorado and maybe other states now.
But yeah, Faster Saves Lives is a really good place
(31:35):
to go for that information. As you mentioned that, Matthew
to people, do they get what you're talking about?
Speaker 10 (31:41):
Well, if I have a chance to explain, and but
most of them just like freak out, Oh my god,
teachers with guns. But haven't you heard the abuse that
the teachers are doing. I'm like most of them aren't.
For heaven's sake.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Well, you know, we have a whole bunch of states
now where teachers ken and r carrying guns, and you
would have to search really hard and far to find
any kind of an issue with that. You know, haven't
shot the wrong people, they haven't shot any kids, haven't
had any kids to get their guns, none of that stuff.
(32:16):
Although the what if this and what if that? Oh
my gosh, just like you know, instead of wondering what if,
I tell them, let's find out what is what is
the actual track record instead of feeding your fears. And Matthew,
thank you for bringing up the faster program. Faster Saveslives
dot org is a really good program. You can go
take a look at that. Let me grab Perry out
(32:38):
of Farmington, New Mexico. He's on three.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Perry. Thank you for your paceence. How can we help
you today?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That time?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Hey, this week was out shopping and I picked up
a really nice older Smith and Wesson revolver. It is
an N It's an N frame model twenty eighth Dish two,
which was three. But the gun is chambered in forty
five colts. Okay, So I'm just I'm just curious if
(33:08):
you knew anything like why somebody would do something like that, or.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Oh yeah, because because the forty five colts are cool cartridge.
That's for a reason right.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
There, Okay, back, and then the gun was originally built
in like seventy three.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Okay, I don't I don't think that is a factory conversion,
but there are gunsmiths out there who have done that
in the past. And look, the forty five colt is
just one of the great cartridges. And people say, yeah, yeah,
forty five copd but I don't think I understand how
good it is and how much more surface area you
get with a forty five, even over a forty four,
(33:46):
it's considerably more surface area.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
Okay, I just want to They make the Model twenty five,
so I just right.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Well, the model twenty five, Well, the Model twenty five
is the forty five ECP.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
I thought if it was hot numbered three diss five,
it was like it was even numbered.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Oh okay, it might it might be.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
And I'm not that much into the Smith, but I
always thought that the Model twenty five was a forty
five ACP. Uh were you about the gun? Why did
you buy the gun if it's.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
The forty five car because I got a I don't
care what caliber it is. I just love the I
just let the older Smith and Wesson revolvers. You know
that I have the firing pin on the hammer and
those right now.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I understand, all right, Look, I appreciate that. Yeah, the
one gun I regret selling, well, kind of regret. I
had a five inch factory five inch barrel Model twenty
seven Smith forty fifty seven magnum, the inframe, big reframe
(34:54):
with a five inch barrel, and while I kind of
missed the revolver. I had to sell it to buy
my way out of a contract at the NRA so
I could quit working at the NRA and d C,
and that was worthwhile. So I don't miss it enough
to want to go back and work there. I can
tell you that. Let's see here, John's in Buffalo Online.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Four. Hey John, what are your mind? Sir?
Speaker 11 (35:18):
Last week on show you had a gentleman callin over
ray report and had a nineteen eleven frame with the
seventy six five. Right, I've got the C, I've got
the CZ, and I've got the TALKEROVS. That is my
(35:39):
favorite caliber. Oh where can I get? Where can I
get one of those?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
As far as I can tell, it's a conversion in
J and G Sales out in Prescott, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Sold the barrel and sold the conversion.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I looked on their website right now it's showing it
out of stock and not available. I don't know if
somebody else is making a conversion a nineteen eleven conversion
for that, or if you can get barrels. I would
think that somebody is, but just off hand, I don't know,
but you should be able to define that and get
that if you do some poker, and.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well, let's do this.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
If somebody knows where you can get a conversion kit
or barrels for your nineteen eleven to convert it for
the seven six two by forty five. Now it was
a forty five, right, six two by.
Speaker 11 (36:24):
Forty five, seventy six to twenty.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Five, twenty five.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Okay, I don't know why I was thinking forty five. Okay, Well,
we'll see if we can get you some information. You
keep listening, we'll see if figure around that up for you.
I appreciate that, sir. So there was this thing that
happened about twenty years ago, almost exactly twenty years ago.
It was called Hurricane Katrina, and it was a man
made disaster. And you're thinking, what hurricane. No, no, no,
hurricane was natural. The flooding of New Orleans was man
(36:52):
made because government built levees and government built protection of
the city failed, not unexpectedly. They were cheap, shoddy work,
and just it failed. A lot of people died. But
what was interesting is that we got to watch it
(37:12):
on TV. It was the first time many Americans saw
what happens when you have no more government protections. You
have no more government services. You don't have any police,
you don't have any electricity, you don't have any cel
phone service, you don't have anything. It's all gone, and
anarchy breaks out instantaneously. And one of the aftermass of
(37:38):
Katrina that people don't talk about is that millions of
people watching that turned to each other and said, wow,
there's no nine to one one, there's nobody there to
come help us. What if that happened here, honey, We
probably ought to think about getting a gun. And a
(38:01):
lot of people went out and bought their first guns
as a result of watching what happened with Hurricane Katrina.
If you're one of those people, I hope you went
and got some training as well. It's been twenty years now,
you've got plenty of time. But it is an example
of stuff happens, and you never know when it's going
to happen. And you know what, the only people you
(38:21):
could depend on is you, by the way, you do know, right, And.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
This is fact. The police have no legal duty to
help you.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
They actually don't have a legal duty to help anyone.
You can call them, they don't have to come, and
if they come, they don't have to protect you. And
there's nothing you can do legally to force them to
or to seek some kind of restitution if they don't.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
You know what that means. This course is ruled on this.
That means, as we have always thought, you are on
your own.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
You are your own first responder. The only question is
are you prepared, are you trained? Are you ready? And
will you do it? I was thinking about the murderer
in Minnesota that killed the two kids and shots other people,
(39:15):
shooting them through the window. He's outside, they were inside.
It reminded me I talk about these intop moments the
I never thought of that moments. I was going through
a shoot house at gun sights some years ago, and
I think, I'm just doing it great, man. I'm high
in the corners, I'm going through the rooms, I'm clearing
the rooms. I'm going room to room and you know,
(39:38):
walking my way around. I'm just I'm doing great. And
I finish and Structor says, all right, walk with me.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
We go back.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
And of course you got all these people targets that
as they appear when you're going around a corner, you
figure out they're a good guy or a bad guy.
He says, look out the window. They got open one.
There's no gol and there's a bad guy outside the
building where I am pointing a gun at me. I
(40:08):
never looked out the window, walked right by, it would
have gotten smoked. When you imagine yourself going through your
house or clearing a building or anything, do you think
about windows. Do you think about there could be somebody
out there who's looking in.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
In your mind?
Speaker 11 (40:28):
Have you.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Shot through the glass of your own house? When you
do your scenarios in your head, there's somebody out there
pointing a gun at you. Have you shot him through
the window of your own house. Most people don't even
think about it. We tend to think of windows as walls.
They're a barrier that keep out everything. They don't keep
(40:53):
out bullets. People say, well, what could they do. He's outside,
he's shooting in the window. You shoot back out through
the window. The bullets will go both ways, and the
moment you shoot at him, frankly, whether you hit him
or not, he's going to stop shooting. The good guys
probably kill himself even better if you shoot him and
(41:15):
hit him. Good guys have stopped a lot of these
active shooter incidents or attacks. The public doesn't know about
it because the media doesn't like to talk about it
because it doesn't work with the narrative they have, which
is at its core, all about banning guns, taking guns
away from you and me. They'll talk guns, guns, guns,
(41:36):
and they'll play up all these politicians are going, guns, guns, guns, huns.
The problem, Well, you know, we have more guns and
places that don't have those shootings than we do in
places that do have the shootings. They say, well, the
guns are coming in from places with more lacks gun
control laws. Okay, let's examine that. The places where the
(41:57):
guns are coming from, assuming where it's going to assume
it's true, have lower crime than you do. You have
more gun control where you are. And you're saying the
problem is where we are, we have less gun control laws,
and the guns are coming from here and we have
less crime. Are you even hearing yourself? The logic of
(42:21):
that just doesn't exist. It's not even there, you know,
and all that's big picture stuff, And I tend to
want to help you understand that. That's well fun to
yack about on social media. It does you no good.
It does you no good to spend any of your
(42:42):
time talking about that stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
You know what, does do you good?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Going to the range, getting a gun, a timer, shot timer,
going and getting classes take a gun fighting class, not
a how to shoot well class. Different thing altogether. What's
going to make a difference to you and your life?
That not arguing about gun control or Second Amendment or
(43:05):
you know, the media or the bias, or you're right,
you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I'm right that lad all.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Let junk get to the range, buy more ammo, shoot
a bunch, become actually really good. Here's the problem. You
don't know if you're good or not if you haven't
put it to the test. Go shoot against somebody, or
shoot against the timer, and then try to get better
and then figure out how to get better.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
It's only your life. It's runs the life of your
kids and your family.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Okay, hey, when we come back, a cool new rifle
is out, a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
We'll be covering it right here on gun Talk.
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