August 13, 2025 • 40 mins
On this episode of Gun Talk Nation, host Ryan Gresham is joined by competitive shooter and Team GLOCK member Morgan Leonhardt—a rising star in the world of pistol competition. Starting her shooting journey at just 9 years old, Morgan shares her incredible progression from local matches with a .22 rifle to winning Nationals and landing her dream spot on Team GLOCK.
Whether you're a new shooter, a parent, or an aspiring competitor—Morgan's story is packed with real insight, relatable moments, and helpful takeaways. Learn how confidence, mindset, and perseverance can turn a childhood interest into a professional path.
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Whether you're a new shooter, a parent, or an aspiring competitor—Morgan's story is packed with real insight, relatable moments, and helpful takeaways. Learn how confidence, mindset, and perseverance can turn a childhood interest into a professional path.
This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Ruger, Guns & Gear, Safariland, SnapSafe, and First Person Defender.
About Gun Talk Nation
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Nation with Ryan Gresham is a weekly multi-platform podcast that offers a fresh look at all things firearms-related. Featuring notable guests and a lot of laughs. Gun Talk Nation is available as an audio podcast or available in video format.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
Copyright ©2025 Freefire Media, LLC
Gun Talk Nation 08.13.25
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My worstfall was in training, and it's why train to
indoor range. So the floors are concrete and the target
stands are metal. Metal and concrete are slick. So I
step on it was either a target stand or a
wall stand and it slides and so I go into
a split, but somehow my face hit the ground first.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. This
Guntognation is brought to you by Snap Safe, First Person Defender,
Safari Land Guns and Gear and Ruger. Hey, welcome into
(00:44):
gun Talk Nation. Today. On guntog Nation, we are going
to cover some ground when it comes to pistols, competition,
shooting women so and also getting kids into shooting. And
we've got someone who started out at a pretty young age, Morgan.
And how do I pronounce your last name correctly? It's
lean Hart, lian Hart. Yeah, lean pretty heart, lian Hart.
(01:08):
Pretty good, h pretty easy. So Morgan is here in
studio with us, a shooter for Team Glock. Yeah, that's
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's gotta be. Is that mind blowing to you?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's very surreal. Yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You started out. I mean everyone can go read your
bio but you started out at age nine shooting okay, yes,
shooting in competitions or just.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Shooting competitions at nine. So I grew up round guns.
And then my dad's in the FBI, so he would
go to a few USPSA matches just to keep up
on skills, and he never pushed me or my brother
into shooting. I kind of invited myself.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I was like, can I come watch?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
He's like sure, So I watched. I kept going. I
ended up shooting the whole matches. I just hadlowed fifteen
twenty two rifle.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, and yeah, just went from there. That's amazing. So
what was that like? Do you remember when you started
doing that at nine ten years old? I mean there's
not a lot of nine ten year old girls at
these matches, right, none.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think I was the youngest the range has ever seen.
So they had me do a little test match before
the actual match. Okay, so they left up some stages.
I shot some stages. They saw it was safe, they
saw I knew how to manipulate a firearm.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, and then I could shoot the whole match.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah. Yeah, do you remember what you were shooting back then? Like?
What type of gun did you start with?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So I just had a fifteen twenty two rifle Okay,
don't remember what it was, but I shot that in
all of our local matches. So I shot only three
gun For four years up until twenty twenty one, I
shot only three gun and I would shoot either my
fifteen twenty two or I switched to a PCC at
one point and I would just shoot that the entire
three gun match.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Switch over to like shooting all three guns until I
was ten.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So we got to a match one day and shooting
my PCC and we got to this stage and it
was a shotgun only stage and they had steel and
clay targets that were way too close to shoot with
a PCC. So they're like, okay, you can shoot the
paper and then you'll get just procedurals for us to
the targets.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I was like, no, you didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Like it was it was probably fifteen procedurals, and I
was like, not happening. So I walked up to my
dad and I was like, what's a shotgun feel like?
And he had a Binelli and he's like, you know,
it just hurts a little.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Bit, just pushing to you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And I was like, no, no, no, punch me, show
me what it feels like. So he's like, punched me
in the shoulder. He like punched me softly, and I
was like, no, I know it doesn't feel like that,
like I can see it. Punch me, So you like
punched me. And I was like, okay, to let you
know what the recoil.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I was like, put you in the shoulder, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In the shoulder, not just me. No, you punched me
the shoulder and feel the recoil. And I was like,
all right, I'll shoot your shotgun. And up to that
point I never shot a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That was the first time.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
My first time, had no first time period, first time
ever shooting shotgun.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I just didn't want procedurals.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And his shotgun was taller than me and it was
a long stage, so I had to load. But like
we had been practicing loads at home, so I knew
how to twinload and so shot the stage and then
I had to like move and load, and the barrel
of the gun is just dragging on the ground as
I moved back because I couldn't hold it up tall enough.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
But I didn't get any procedurals.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It was a twelve gauge. Yeah, twelve gage, and you
were ten. Yeah that's that's uh. And it didn't bother.
You didn't freaky out, like Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
The video is awesome. It is hilarious. It is so funny.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So since then or after that match, I got a
glock thirty four, I got a bretta, and then I
got a rifle, so I had the whole setup and
I just shot normal three gun matches.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Up now now for people listening, I don't think we
would recommend no giving a ten year old girl twelve
gage to start out, that's usually the exact opposite. I'm like, hey, man,
don't do that. You're gonna you're gonna turn her off
of shooting. You're not gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And it had like the extended tube so it like
held fifteen rounds.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Actually that helps, it adds weight to it, maybe helps
reduce recoil a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You did it. That was pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You sound you sound like you were pretty determined.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I was.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And also you were competitive early, very because you're doing
the math and you had shot shot enough matches where
you're going, No, I don't want penalties. That's what we say.
If you don't shoot matches procedural is a penalty, yes,
time and points.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It would be whatever, how many targets, however many targets
it was, Say it was ten, I'd have the failure
to shoot at minus ten points and then minus the
hit minus five points, so minus fifteen times ten minus
one hundred and fifty points one.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's not gonna work no way, as if you missed
all those targets, right right, Yeah, wow, Okay, so you
kind of got into this, you started shooting more. Obviously
you've had a bunch of success because heck, you're on
Team Glock now, which is huge. Yeah, over the years,
(06:01):
what if people said to you or underestimated when you
show up to a match, the ros or mass directors
or whatever who before you were kind of a known entity,
a known person in this world, what would you hear
when you showed up to a match?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So a lot of it wasn't negative, a lot of
it was positive. But many of the competitors see zero
thread and like a smaller female, you know, I was
young to see me walking up and they're like, oh,
you should do it this way, in this way, and
it's okay, like it'll be fine, and I'm just saying him, like,
you have no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And then it's even better if it's like random people
I'm shooting on a squad with and they, you know,
have no expectations.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Sure, and I shoot with them. They're like, Wow, you're
really good.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I just picked this up.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yes, that's our favorite little gig thrun. Some of the
guys I shoot with, they like to make bets, like
I'm teaching my neighbor how to shoot. You want to
shoot against her? I win?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, you could win money this way. This could be
you know, win some some college funds or something.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You're stuck with it though, which a lot of people don't.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Why very competitive, Yeah, And so.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I guess I just strove for more and more, and
three gun and three guns a lot to keep up with.
It's essentially four guns you have to train. And so
in twenty twenty one I switched to shooting only pistol,
and that was much more maintainable. It's much easier to train,
to keep up with, to pay for everything, right, And
so six months after I started shooting a pistol I
(07:44):
won Carry Optics Nationals and that was just my push. Yeah,
that's what got it all. I'm pretty sure that's the
only reason I pushed so hard.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And kept going because you saw, like, wait a minute,
I'm good at this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I had no expectations. I went into the match. I
shot on the Ladies Super Squad. I don't don't know
how I got there. It was just like, I want
to watch the Ladies.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I've watched them on YouTube and Instagram for so many years.
I'm going to go in person. I want to see
how they treat these matches, how they shoot in real life,
how they handle everything. And so that's what I went for.
And I don't watch scores in matches. I don't like
to see how I'm doing. I don't keep track, I
don't like pushing, holding back whatever. I just shoot what
I feel. And so I didn't know what any of
(08:26):
the scores were. And then like on the very last
stage I shot. My Dad's like you want, Like what
do you mean when I win? He's like, no, like
you want?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Was he crying on purpose? Well? Yeah? Was he on purpose?
Not letting you know how you were doing during the match.
Is that kind of a thing between you guys, like,
don't let me know how it's going.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, so mentally he knows.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I don't like to watch scores. Yeah, I just never have.
I don't know if it would help me or not.
But a lot of people I see watching scores, they
get consumed, sure, and so that's what they're doing the
whole matches. It gets to a points game, it gets
to a I'm I'm striving to.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Win, yeh, whereas I need to go faster.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I need to go faster, I need whatever. I
try to just shoot consistently, because when you're striving to win,
you're gonna completely fail or you're gonna Superman a stage,
but you're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Be explained Superman stage.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Go as fast as you can somehow by a hail Mary.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You do amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You go faster than it seems possible to keep the
keep the car on the road. You kind of you
said super squad. Explain that to people.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So super squad is where your main competitors shoot in
a match, So they kind of bunch them all together.
That way they're on the same schedule, they have the
same weather conditions, they have the same everything, sunlight k.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Of the favorites in the match.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, so a lot of times they have a fan
camera crew following a super squad just for after the
match they can do like stats and videos of them.
But I think it's also to equal the playing field.
That way you can keep up with each other. For
the people who do watch scores, you're shooting the same
stages at a time. That way you can watch points.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah yeah, how much shooting in a super squad like that,
and you said that was the first time you'd been
paired with that, those those shooters, maybe those caliber shooters
all together, how much does that help you drive you
to improve shoot better?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So for a lot of people, they find that it
puts more pressure because they think, oh, all these amazing
shooters are watching me. Nobody's really watching. I try to
stay to my self turned matches. I don't like to
watch what other people are shooting. You know, I'm very encouraging,
I'll be I like to have a lot of fun
on the range, but I also know when I need
(10:44):
to be on my zone, and so I like to
shoot with shooters who are better than me. That way
I can push myself more throughout the match. Otherwise, if
you shoot with shooters who may not be as good,
it's easy to lag behind a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Sure, sure, kind of see what's possible right on a stage,
go wow, Okay, that's how they shot it, or that's
how fast. Maybe that lets you know this is how
fast I should be going.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Right, and before you shoot a stage, it's easier, easier
to talk through stage plans.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
With shooters are at your level.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, so you can talk about different plans that may work,
where reload may work. There's it opens up many more possibilities.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
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So Morgan, a lot of people are getting into shooting.
They're buying guns. In the last five six years, like
thirty percent of the handguns being sold or being bought
by first time gun owners, and I think it's probably
like thirty to forty percent of those are women buying guns.
(13:43):
Do you have people asking you about getting into guns
shooting that kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, I do, lots of people or I get a
lot of dms. Most of it is from junior shooters
parents and like how do I get them into this?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Here she is nine, ten, eleven, and twelve years old.
I have no idea how to approach this.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, it's funny the parents saying how do I
get her into this? I feel that I have daughters
and when when you're like a gun enthusiast, a shooting enthusiast,
and you would love to your kids to have the
same hobby. But your dad sounds like he did the
right way. He doesn't force it. It wasn't like you
have to have my hobby.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So like you just wanted to guns weren't his hobby.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, my dad did scuba diving for a really long time,
and he did like bike riding, like not motorcycles, but
like bikes. So he would leave for trips like a
scuba diving all the time, and then like he got
to the point he would cave dive. So once me
and my brother turned probably it was probably eight, he
was like, oh this is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So he sold all this stuff and then he did
bike riding. And so you can ride biccoles. If you've
ever seen the tour difference, yep, you have the tour difference.
So stuff like that, and so you have.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The sweet biking shorts all yeah, Oh.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
The onesies with the little pockets. He used to keep
his bicycles in the living room.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I know that's the thing, but it seems hard to
look cool in that in the bicycle onesie.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It is, you can't.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Anyways, he was running in like the pack one time
in a race and they crashed whatever. So he crashed
and then all the people behind him ran him over
because you know, you can't turn last minute, and so
he went unconscious. He broke both of his collar bones
and his helmet was just like cracked and shattered. So
he woke up in the hospital. He was the John
(15:34):
Doe in the hospital. So my mom walks in and
she's like, my husband's here. He's you're John Doe whatever.
He was in a bike crash and they're like, yeah,
we don't have him here. She was like, what they
found him? He was there, but he stopped riding bikes
after that too, so.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He went to something less dangerous, which is shooting guns.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, so we started shooting guns. And then in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
One and my brother got into motocross and there's.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, so he's he's still a thrill seeker. That's not
that's not less dangerous. It is funny though, because people
say youth youth shooting sports and it's very popular. I mean,
you you shoot pistols, but you have you have steel challenge,
you have shotgun like trap and skeet and all that
(16:23):
is huge with youth shooting sports. Yes, and there's probably
a segment of people go, I don't know, like kids guns.
It's like, is that okay? Is that seems a little dangerous,
But as far as like people being injured, it just
doesn't really happen. It's very, very low.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's a freak.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Compared to bicycle racing or tennis, or or football or basketball,
or gymnastics. I mean I have family that were hardcore gymnastics, surgeries,
torn acls, MCLs, all this stuff. I mean, shooting sports
is a really safe, relatively safe, low injury thing unless
(17:05):
you fall run through stage, which you've never fallen, right, Morgan,
Is there video evidence of this?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
There is?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Can it be shown? I don't know it was a
safe fall. It wasn't in a match. My worst fall
was in training, and it's I try to indoor range,
so the floors are concrete and the target stands are metal.
Metal and concrete are slick. So I step on it
was either a target stand or a wall stand and
it slides and so I go into a split, but
(17:36):
somehow my face hit the ground first.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So okay, never mind, this is not You're not helping
my argument about it being safer.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Done with safe finger was at the trigger guard? Yeah,
muzzles in a safe direction, yeah, my face and legs.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I just try not. I just don't go so
fast that I can fall down.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I just oh, you can fall You're all going slow, I.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Say, you know, I'm teaching my teenager to drive. It's
like if you're gonna if you're going to hit something,
let's do it going slowly. Please. Pulling into a parking spot,
pulling out, Yeah, same thing with driving boats. Everybody you're
going to crash, go real slow. It's more of a bump. Yeah. So,
(18:24):
So people reaching out about pistols, own ownership, shooting, what
do you tell them?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So most of it is less about the actual gun
it self and more focused on gear. A lot of
people want to know where to get closed from because
women's clothes with belt loops are very hard to come across,
like athletic clothing. Yes, belts, there's so many belts out there.
Everybody has different preferences. There's no magic belt.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So what's the answer. Uh, pants with belt loops and belts,
what's the answer, Morgan.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
My favorite shorts with belt loops are under Ommer golf shorts.
There you go, My favorite belt is the Link's belt
with a ratchet strap because it adjusts every day. You
don't have to be one set.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah size yeah, neat a big dinner, I can get
a little bit looser.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, I got the next belt. I'm a big fan. Yeah,
just ratchet down.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
But gun wise, a lot of people ask what gun
they should give to their child getting into shooting. Okay,
so smaller person, smaller gun. Don't give them a nine mil.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Smaller caliber, yes, yeah, don't do nine mil and not
necessarily a smaller gun person.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah no, no, no, the frame, the actual look is fine.
A smaller caliber for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Keep juniors on twenty twos for as long as you can.
I got a nine really soon. I was ten, and
I had three years of really bad habits where I
really could not progress for three years.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I was stug the reach of the trigger, doing
weird stuff to control recoil.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, so I would push into my recoil really hard,
so you know, boom boom.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Couldn't get better.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, I wish would have stayed on a twenty two,
which then my dad tried to put me on a
twenty two pistol, and then at that point it was
just so far gone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah you weren't you weren't interested or no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
No, no, no, no, I was interested, but my bad habits
were so far gone. Oh okay, switching back at that
would do no help at that point.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, stay on a twenty two for as long
as you can. I mean, yes, I think that making
it easy to shoot, that's a really good point. I've
never really put that into words, but I know for myself.
I had a ton of trigger time on BB guns
and Pella guns as a kid, and it's like, oh,
it's just fun. It's goof around BB guns and pelaguns.
(20:37):
But like you learn, I mean I had, I had
like a backstop in my backyard. I had like a
lean to and you can get really good on sites
and trigger and trigger press just doing that stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So my three things that I usually tell people when
they're starting. If you're starting a young kid and like
you still need to teach safety and stuff, start them
with a rifle. Rifle is easier to stop if they
go to swing either way, you can catch, you know,
it's much harder to break the one eighty that way,
Stay safer and then if you are going to do pistol,
do twenty two and either way do a dot and
(21:10):
not iron sights. That way they can focus on their trigger,
pressing how they're holding the gun versus lining up their
sites correctly.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, just start with the dot. Start with the dot
red dot optic on the gun. I think it's good advice.
And people said, well, they have to learn how to
shoot irons. They will, Yeah, but one thing at a time.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yes, one thing out of time. Let's focus on the
trigger first.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I was I was doing a shotgun lesson with a
pro shotgun shooter a few years back, and I like
to shoot sporting clays, but I kind of do it
not to win any matches as much as just practicing
and getting better for hunting. And so I'm mounting the
gun and shooting, and the teacher says, why are you
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doing that? Because the teachers are a competitive shooter, and
they're like, you're allowed to start with the amount of
gun like, well, it's for hunting, gum. Yeah, yeah, stop
doing that. Just mount the gun. We're not going to
take the mount out of it, and we're gonna I
just you know, I just mounted.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh no, I didn't know if something happened.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
If no, no, no, no no no, like I just she's just
gonna just stop mounting the gun, just mount the gun
before So taking one less thing out of the equation.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Do you have to worry about?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Let's just hit stuff? Where? Where? How are you? You know?
What's your lead and what's your swing? And where your
what are your eyes doing? The eyes are a whole
thing with with shotgun shooting. So do you have you know,
you're going into college, what do you think about as
far as like, you're not gonna still caring because you're
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not old enough to do it, right.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I didn't realize that a license? Yeah, very cool. Interesting.
You know, it's funny because people will debate like, oh,
you don't have to have a life, or even when
concealed carry started, they'd say, oh my gosh, people are
gonna be able to carry guns around and it's just
gonna be all these problems. And what's funny is it
doesn't happen. There aren't problems. There aren't. I mean very
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very rarely are there problems from a concealed carry citizen.
It's usually bad guys. Yeah, bad guys are problems. We
know that. But oh my gosh, they're gonna be able
to carry without a permit. And then you're like, well,
send me all the news stories of where this was
a problem and there's nothing. It's not it's not a problem.
So how much do you train these days?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I usually train three days a week.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
That's what I try to.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Look like for you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
So I normally turn in the afternoon. That's what time
the guys I trained with can train, So it's usually
from four to seven. We always start off with a
warm up drill, doubles, bulls eye, whatever we want to
work on that day, and then we get into drills
whatever we want to work on, whether it's distance, going fast, accurate.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Do you have like a theme for the day.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Pretty much?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah? Or is it all over the place? Is like
today accuracy day? Or today is the go fast, burn
it down day or whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Usually usually themes y.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes, we'll do our drill the correlates to the theme,
and then we'll set up a stage or a stage
like thing where it's not a standstill drill, but it's
like maneuvering through the stage, going into positions, leaving positions,
moving and shooting. But we like to run a stage
once each way. So we'll just set up one big stage.
I can be run a ton of different ways and
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just run it once and just come up with a
million different ways to shoot it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Just one stage that you work on, one.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Stage you work on. So I usually shoot about five
hundred rounds in a training session.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Wow, I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't like to do more because I'm a handshort.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, and that's a that's a pretty good amount in
a three hour block. Yeah, it's a lot of shots.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
It's a lot of shooting.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Where do you think people need more practice?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I think a lot of people need more practice and
less of the shooting and more of the movement and
flowing through stages. I think that's a very easy aspect
to forget about in training. It's much easier to just
stand still and shoot some targets, sure, versus actually getting up,
setting up some sort of course and moving through it. Yeah,
takes a lot more targets, more props.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Usually more ammo.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah. The times I've shot some pistol match stuff and
they're you know, I'm usually doing it for TV. I'm
usually with some pros who are helping me and coaching me,
and it's like and you're gonna want to do your
your reload, you know, in this part of the stage,
it's like, oh, like you're thinking about where you're reloading everything,
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and you're and you're like, no, you need to be
doing that before you get to that next place where
you're gonna be shooting. Yeah, just all that I mean,
which is like duh, except that if you don't shoot
matches all the time, you're like, get you run over
there and you go, ugh, I need to reload the
gun now. I should do that as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You could take the best shooter in the world and
they would still struggle on a match because they're probably
not used to moving through a course in shooting.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's very cool. All right, we let's
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the captain of Team Glock, Shane Coley. I've known for
a handful of years. He's come out to our range
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filmed with us. Great guy, former AMU guy, which is cool.
Talk about getting on Team Clock.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So I have a very slight, very funny.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Story for this.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, So my biggest dream was to always shoot for
Team Clock. That's what I wanted to do. As soon
as I got into shooting, I watched Team Glock. Glock's
like the biggest known name of firearms. I was like,
I want to be on Team Block. They win all
the time, they have the best attitudes like that just
looks like an amazing group to be associated with. And
so after all my wins, after every match, I would
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email Shan and be like.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Hey Shane, I just won this match. Here's the result.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So you like it, and he'd be like okay, good job,
or like he just short responses like that. And so
I got to meet him when I was I think
I was either twelve or thirteen, and I walked up
to him and I was like, hi am Morgan, and
I'm gonna shoot on Team Glock. And he's like, Okay,
that's really cool, work really hard and like you got this.
Maybe one day you will And I was like, no,
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I'll be on your team next year and he was
like okay. So I shot emailing him after all my wins,
watch this, look at this, look at this, and I
emailed him. After I won Nationals.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I was like, I won.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Nationals and I won the World Shoot and I emailed him.
I was like, hey, I just won the world shoot.
And then after that he email He's like, I saw that,
how about you coming for an interview? And I was like, yes,
instead going to the interview and I got hired. And
it wasn't a year later, it was two years later.
But I think that's what you did.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So now you're in sales for Glock and like it
sounds like you should be a salesperson. Think it's just
a numbers game. People, you got to keep pounding them.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What made you decide to start reaching out that way?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think my dad always taught me you're not going
to get anything if you don't ask for it. The
worst so you can tell you is no, it's great.
So I got multiple nos.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, just keep trying. Every note leads to a yes,
and it's like maybe it takes five nose or ten nose,
but eventually it leads to a yes.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
It's closer.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's fantastic. Yes, and being your own advocate too, right,
speaking up, Hey, I know you're busy. You may not
have seen, but I just won nationals Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I loved.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I would send him like screenshots. I still have all
the emails, so I like to go back and read them.
It's like, Hi, Shane, Hope, I'm not bothering you.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Look at this. It's funny.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Wow. So what's it like being on team Glock? Like,
what's uh? What type of things do you do with that?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's really amazing, it's really fun. The bond we have
is amazing. I'm obviously younger than the rest of them,
but we all fit in. Like, I don't feel like
I'm I'm younger, I don't feel like I'm an outlier
in the group. We all just we work together very well.
So we shoot a lot of matches together. Usually two
or three of us are ade an area match together,
so we get to squad together, shoot together. We see
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each other once or twice a month.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Wow, it's a long yeah. Yeah, because you guys are
all over the place.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah so everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Te's in Texas, Shane's and Georgia, Ashley's in North Carolina,
and Calli's in Florida. It's we're all different, We're all
from no place.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Cali, I've met Calli, Uh, incredible athlete. Obviously she's she
does a lot of the tactical game stuff. I think
she's a CrossFit athlete. Are you gonna do tactical games.
Are you gonna start lifting?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh my gosh, no, look at me.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I could never.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
They'd be like, pick up this bag that weighs the
same as you. More right.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's so impressive. I don't know how she does it. So,
and on her Instagram she posts a bunch of videos
of her lifting and just working out, and it's like,
oh my god, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Have to watch her stuff get excited and get jacked
up before I go to the gym.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
She just posted a video on her story of her
doing like deadlifts and there's like six plates on each side,
and I was like, I.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Don't even know how much aways. It's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, this is if people are just listening to this
and not watching you are My kids would be like,
you sound like an old man. You're a young lady.
Sounds like an old grandpa saying this, right, So, how
old are you?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I'm eighteen, You're.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Eighteen, yes, and uh, I mean you're you look like
you know, you're not this huge person. You're not like
this muscled out lady. Right. So controlling the gun, shooting
the gun, I mean, because a lot of people will say, oh,
they just can't. I just don't like the coil or
I can't run the slide on a semiauto. You've been
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doing you've been shooting nine since you were ten years old.
Nine milimeter. Yes, so everybody listening, Yes, you can control
the recoil on a nine milimeter pistol and you can
run the slide because a ten year old girl can
do it. It's possible, and you didn't have like freak
your strength or man hand or something right, right, So, like,
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I mean, how do you explain how you do it?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
A lot of how I explain My grip is in
my wrists. I like locking a wrist my biggest tip
to everybody, and they're like, the muscle just flips so much.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I always say, tighten your strong hand, pinky.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's tighten your strong hand, pinky' on the grip.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Right, that'll lock your wrist.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Everyone's like, oh my gosh, like how do you This
is amazing? Why is nobody talking about this? I'm like,
I don't know, that's just maybe it's a brain thing,
maybe it's an actual muscle thing, but that's that's what works.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Tight in your strong hand, pinky, which goes to Morgan
is supporting what Chris or you know, and our our
team will say grip sites trigger and grip being a
starting point. It's yes, having a nice stance is nice,
but it's less important. Would you say that's true as.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Long as you're not leaning backwards or have your feet together.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean you guys shoot on one foot when you're
standing in a box. Sometimes happens.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, So like it's not everything.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So the grip locking your wrists out, what else? As
far as running a center fire handgun, tips, tricks techniques.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Trips, tips technique, it's hard to say. Yeah, I know,
it's like a tongue twister. It's a good tip.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I like the pinky one.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, running the slide, anything in particular with that.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sometimes I'll recommend a pushing pull grip for like younger people.
I was working with a couple seven and eight year
olds and they were shooting nine and they were really struggling,
and I was like, I think you're just, you know,
randomly applying pressure. Let's try dedicating our pressure somewhere on
the grip. I want you to think about pushing forward
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with this hand and pulling with this hand while tightening
that pinky and you could visibly see the muzzles flipping
much less. So I think it's just playing around with
different grips to see what works and may not be
right to what people say is right, but if it works,
it's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think that the competition shooters
will always play with how do I go faster and
more accurate, and they're less concerned of how it looks
or well, this is the way we've always done it.
More like I don't care. I'll do weird stuff with
my hands, my wrists, my fingers to you know, something,
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something to give me an edge. I think that's also
true when you look at some of these like Elite
Special Forces shooters that obviously the AMU trains these guys
and stuff. It's like, look, I don't care if it's
if it's a pink gun, a barbie gun. If I
don't care if I if this isn't the way they
used to do it on the teams, like if it
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makes me go faster and shoot more accurately, I'm open
to it, which is great.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, truth is, we all look a little bit goofy
or we're running around with guns.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What's the hardest part for you. I mean we're talking
about going fast, being accurate, reloads, movement. Is there a
part of all of those things that's like, this is
the one that I have to work a little harder at.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I'm not very good at, like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Shooting bullseyes accurately.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You struck me as a person who would like to
go fast.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I have like a cadence set in my head, and
I have to follow the cadence. I just I can't
slow down and just get out of the cadence.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I just can't. I try so.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Hard, but sometimes you have to slow down. Yeah, maybe
for a little bit more accuracy or a longer shot.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yes, And I end up just taking like a million
shots out of them.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Stuff accurately through volume and stuff. That's something I would.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Do, you know, you just aim in the miss.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Miss hit, all right, go moving on? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Another big thing that I've kind of struggled with in
the past is burnout, which a lot of people don't
talk about. But aside from like shooting techniques, I think
burnout is something that a lot of people struggle with that's.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Hard to get out of, like shooting too much, Like just.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like just shooting too much, getting tired of it in
a sense, just not having like the physical or mental
capacity to go train.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Sure, I think that's hard.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So end of two years ago, I was like, I
was just so over it. I shot so much that year,
Like I was gone every other week, and I was
just so over it. I took like a three month break,
and then finally I was like, I didn't think about
a gun. I didn't touch a gun. I didn't shoot
nothing for three months. And I got back and like
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my hands were really soft and I couldn't shoot more
than like two hundred rounds, and I was like, dang,
I never doing Like, it doesn't matter how bad burnout gets,
I'm never doing that again.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
But it's probably good to take a little break sometimes.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I've started taking smaller breaks throughout the year, or just
what feels like smaller breaks, whether it's not touching a
gun for a week, if I have a little bit
of a break between matches. But also setting goals has
helped me a lot with that. I'm very competitive, so
keeping goals up throughout.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
The year motivates you.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, so I haven't been burnt in a few years now,
But when it was bad.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
It's like I'm never gonna shoot again.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
You ever gotten uh? I call it tennis elbow from
shooting a lot I haven't.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Mine is more like my fingers. I feel like I
have arthritis in my fingers.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
They like hurt to bend, like the age of eighteen.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, I'm like, they're like glass, They're gonna snap in
half if I'd bend them any further.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Imagine you have a pretty strong grip though.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, it's just my fingers hurt.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah. Do you train? Do you train hand strength stuff? So?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I used to a lot and then I didn't, But
recently my fingers have been like hurting really bad. So
I'm getting into it. Like I have the bands that
go outwards and then okay crushes for inwards. So I
keep them in my car when I'm driving. It's really
easy to do on one hand out of time.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, so hopefully one hand at a time.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So I'm starting to get I'm trying to get more
into that the way I don't get arthritis in my fingers.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, very cool. Well, I mean this is the thing
people don't understand. And I know, I'm sure you know
Max Michelle, who lives here locally and all of you
guys you're professional athletes. I mean you are training the
physical part, you're training, the mental part, you're you're training, uh,
the doing of the sport, and so those are all
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aspects of it. What's what's coming up for you? What's
the next match in?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
What's my Monday?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Three days relieve Area five Thursday.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Oh wow, Area five and then.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I and a couple of weeks after that is I
don't know lied.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
So where's that one? Area five?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
It's in Ohio. It's where the whole carry Optics nationals
are factory going nationals. It's a Meringo that big range.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Okay, yeah, that's a cool range.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I like carry optics has become the biggest category, Is
that right?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I think Harry Optics is the biggest, but just like
optics overall is kind of taken over.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah. So if I'm if I want to place in
a match, I should go like like single stack iron
sights where there's like no one competing. Basically I'm guaranteed
like a top five spot.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, maybe maybe top two because there's only.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Two of us. Yeah, I like this. I like my odds.
That's someone to plan this out Morgan, thanks for being
all with us. Is fun. Thank you for how so
you guys go check her out. Morgan is on all
the socials, yes, just Instagram, Instagram. Well go follow her
on Instagram. And uh, and maybe this is something you
(40:12):
can show to your your wife, your daughter, your kid's like, look,
this is cool. She's doing it. She's like on Team Glock.
This is this could be a real thing. You get
paid and you get you know, to get to shoot
you the best, probably some free amo. Occasionally other people's
ammo o p A. All right, guys, thanks for listening,
(40:33):
and we will see you next time on Gun Talk Nation.
My worstfall was in training, and it's why train to
indoor range. So the floors are concrete and the target
stands are metal. Metal and concrete are slick. So I
step on it was either a target stand or a
wall stand and it slides and so I go into
a split, but somehow my face hit the ground first.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntog Nation. This
Guntognation is brought to you by Snap Safe, First Person Defender,
Safari Land Guns and Gear and Ruger. Hey, welcome into
(00:44):
gun Talk Nation. Today. On guntog Nation, we are going
to cover some ground when it comes to pistols, competition,
shooting women so and also getting kids into shooting. And
we've got someone who started out at a pretty young age, Morgan.
And how do I pronounce your last name correctly? It's
lean Hart, lian Hart. Yeah, lean pretty heart, lian Hart.
(01:08):
Pretty good, h pretty easy. So Morgan is here in
studio with us, a shooter for Team Glock. Yeah, that's
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That's gotta be. Is that mind blowing to you?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's very surreal. Yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You started out. I mean everyone can go read your
bio but you started out at age nine shooting okay, yes,
shooting in competitions or just.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Shooting competitions at nine. So I grew up round guns.
And then my dad's in the FBI, so he would
go to a few USPSA matches just to keep up
on skills, and he never pushed me or my brother
into shooting. I kind of invited myself.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I was like, can I come watch?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
He's like sure, So I watched. I kept going. I
ended up shooting the whole matches. I just hadlowed fifteen
twenty two rifle.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, and yeah, just went from there. That's amazing. So
what was that like? Do you remember when you started
doing that at nine ten years old? I mean there's
not a lot of nine ten year old girls at
these matches, right, none.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think I was the youngest the range has ever seen.
So they had me do a little test match before
the actual match. Okay, so they left up some stages.
I shot some stages. They saw it was safe, they
saw I knew how to manipulate a firearm.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, and then I could shoot the whole match.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah. Yeah, do you remember what you were shooting back then? Like?
What type of gun did you start with?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So I just had a fifteen twenty two rifle Okay,
don't remember what it was, but I shot that in
all of our local matches. So I shot only three
gun For four years up until twenty twenty one, I
shot only three gun and I would shoot either my
fifteen twenty two or I switched to a PCC at
one point and I would just shoot that the entire
three gun match.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So I didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Switch over to like shooting all three guns until I
was ten.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
So we got to a match one day and shooting
my PCC and we got to this stage and it
was a shotgun only stage and they had steel and
clay targets that were way too close to shoot with
a PCC. So they're like, okay, you can shoot the
paper and then you'll get just procedurals for us to
the targets.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I was like, no, you didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Like it was it was probably fifteen procedurals, and I
was like, not happening. So I walked up to my
dad and I was like, what's a shotgun feel like?
And he had a Binelli and he's like, you know,
it just hurts a little.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Bit, just pushing to you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And I was like, no, no, no, punch me, show
me what it feels like. So he's like, punched me
in the shoulder. He like punched me softly, and I
was like, no, I know it doesn't feel like that,
like I can see it. Punch me, So you like
punched me. And I was like, okay, to let you
know what the recoil.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I was like, put you in the shoulder, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In the shoulder, not just me. No, you punched me
the shoulder and feel the recoil. And I was like,
all right, I'll shoot your shotgun. And up to that
point I never shot a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That was the first time.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
My first time, had no first time period, first time
ever shooting shotgun.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I just didn't want procedurals.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And his shotgun was taller than me and it was
a long stage, so I had to load. But like
we had been practicing loads at home, so I knew
how to twinload and so shot the stage and then
I had to like move and load, and the barrel
of the gun is just dragging on the ground as
I moved back because I couldn't hold it up tall enough.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
But I didn't get any procedurals.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It was a twelve gauge. Yeah, twelve gage, and you
were ten. Yeah that's that's uh. And it didn't bother.
You didn't freaky out, like Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
The video is awesome. It is hilarious. It is so funny.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So since then or after that match, I got a
glock thirty four, I got a bretta, and then I
got a rifle, so I had the whole setup and
I just shot normal three gun matches.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Up now now for people listening, I don't think we
would recommend no giving a ten year old girl twelve
gage to start out, that's usually the exact opposite. I'm like, hey, man,
don't do that. You're gonna you're gonna turn her off
of shooting. You're not gonna like it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And it had like the extended tube so it like
held fifteen rounds.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Actually that helps, it adds weight to it, maybe helps
reduce recoil a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You did it. That was pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You sound you sound like you were pretty determined.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I was.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And also you were competitive early, very because you're doing
the math and you had shot shot enough matches where
you're going, No, I don't want penalties. That's what we say.
If you don't shoot matches procedural is a penalty, yes,
time and points.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It would be whatever, how many targets, however many targets
it was, Say it was ten, I'd have the failure
to shoot at minus ten points and then minus the
hit minus five points, so minus fifteen times ten minus
one hundred and fifty points one.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's not gonna work no way, as if you missed
all those targets, right right, Yeah, wow, Okay, so you
kind of got into this, you started shooting more. Obviously
you've had a bunch of success because heck, you're on
Team Glock now, which is huge. Yeah, over the years,
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what if people said to you or underestimated when you
show up to a match, the ros or mass directors
or whatever who before you were kind of a known entity,
a known person in this world, what would you hear
when you showed up to a match?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So a lot of it wasn't negative, a lot of
it was positive. But many of the competitors see zero
thread and like a smaller female, you know, I was
young to see me walking up and they're like, oh,
you should do it this way, in this way, and
it's okay, like it'll be fine, and I'm just saying him, like,
you have no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It's kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And then it's even better if it's like random people
I'm shooting on a squad with and they, you know,
have no expectations.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Sure, and I shoot with them. They're like, Wow, you're
really good.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I just picked this up.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yes, that's our favorite little gig thrun. Some of the
guys I shoot with, they like to make bets, like
I'm teaching my neighbor how to shoot. You want to
shoot against her? I win?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, you could win money this way. This could be
you know, win some some college funds or something.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You're stuck with it though, which a lot of people don't.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Why very competitive, Yeah, And so.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I guess I just strove for more and more, and
three gun and three guns a lot to keep up with.
It's essentially four guns you have to train. And so
in twenty twenty one I switched to shooting only pistol,
and that was much more maintainable. It's much easier to train,
to keep up with, to pay for everything, right, And
so six months after I started shooting a pistol I
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won Carry Optics Nationals and that was just my push. Yeah,
that's what got it all. I'm pretty sure that's the
only reason I pushed so hard.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And kept going because you saw, like, wait a minute,
I'm good at this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I had no expectations. I went into the match. I
shot on the Ladies Super Squad. I don't don't know
how I got there. It was just like, I want
to watch the Ladies.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I've watched them on YouTube and Instagram for so many years.
I'm going to go in person. I want to see
how they treat these matches, how they shoot in real life,
how they handle everything. And so that's what I went for.
And I don't watch scores in matches. I don't like
to see how I'm doing. I don't keep track, I
don't like pushing, holding back whatever. I just shoot what
I feel. And so I didn't know what any of
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the scores were. And then like on the very last
stage I shot. My Dad's like you want, Like what
do you mean when I win? He's like, no, like
you want?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Was he crying on purpose? Well? Yeah? Was he on purpose?
Not letting you know how you were doing during the match.
Is that kind of a thing between you guys, like,
don't let me know how it's going.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, so mentally he knows.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I don't like to watch scores. Yeah, I just never have.
I don't know if it would help me or not.
But a lot of people I see watching scores, they
get consumed, sure, and so that's what they're doing the
whole matches. It gets to a points game, it gets
to a I'm I'm striving to.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Win, yeh, whereas I need to go faster.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, I need to go faster, I need whatever. I
try to just shoot consistently, because when you're striving to win,
you're gonna completely fail or you're gonna Superman a stage,
but you're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Be explained Superman stage.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Go as fast as you can somehow by a hail Mary.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You do amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You go faster than it seems possible to keep the
keep the car on the road. You kind of you
said super squad. Explain that to people.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So super squad is where your main competitors shoot in
a match, So they kind of bunch them all together.
That way they're on the same schedule, they have the
same weather conditions, they have the same everything, sunlight k.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Of the favorites in the match.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, so a lot of times they have a fan
camera crew following a super squad just for after the
match they can do like stats and videos of them.
But I think it's also to equal the playing field.
That way you can keep up with each other. For
the people who do watch scores, you're shooting the same
stages at a time. That way you can watch points.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah yeah, how much shooting in a super squad like that,
and you said that was the first time you'd been
paired with that, those those shooters, maybe those caliber shooters
all together, how much does that help you drive you
to improve shoot better?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So for a lot of people, they find that it
puts more pressure because they think, oh, all these amazing
shooters are watching me. Nobody's really watching. I try to
stay to my self turned matches. I don't like to
watch what other people are shooting. You know, I'm very encouraging,
I'll be I like to have a lot of fun
on the range, but I also know when I need
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to be on my zone, and so I like to
shoot with shooters who are better than me. That way
I can push myself more throughout the match. Otherwise, if
you shoot with shooters who may not be as good,
it's easy to lag behind a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Sure, sure, kind of see what's possible right on a stage,
go wow, Okay, that's how they shot it, or that's
how fast. Maybe that lets you know this is how
fast I should be going.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Right, and before you shoot a stage, it's easier, easier
to talk through stage plans.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
With shooters are at your level.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, so you can talk about different plans that may work,
where reload may work. There's it opens up many more possibilities.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
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So Morgan, a lot of people are getting into shooting.
They're buying guns. In the last five six years, like
thirty percent of the handguns being sold or being bought
by first time gun owners, and I think it's probably
like thirty to forty percent of those are women buying guns.
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Do you have people asking you about getting into guns
shooting that kind of thing?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, I do, lots of people or I get a
lot of dms. Most of it is from junior shooters
parents and like how do I get them into this?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Here she is nine, ten, eleven, and twelve years old.
I have no idea how to approach this.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, it's funny the parents saying how do I
get her into this? I feel that I have daughters
and when when you're like a gun enthusiast, a shooting enthusiast,
and you would love to your kids to have the
same hobby. But your dad sounds like he did the
right way. He doesn't force it. It wasn't like you
have to have my hobby.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So like you just wanted to guns weren't his hobby.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, my dad did scuba diving for a really long time,
and he did like bike riding, like not motorcycles, but
like bikes. So he would leave for trips like a
scuba diving all the time, and then like he got
to the point he would cave dive. So once me
and my brother turned probably it was probably eight, he
was like, oh this is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
So he sold all this stuff and then he did
bike riding. And so you can ride biccoles. If you've
ever seen the tour difference, yep, you have the tour difference.
So stuff like that, and so you have.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The sweet biking shorts all yeah, Oh.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
The onesies with the little pockets. He used to keep
his bicycles in the living room.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I know that's the thing, but it seems hard to
look cool in that in the bicycle onesie.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It is, you can't.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Anyways, he was running in like the pack one time
in a race and they crashed whatever. So he crashed
and then all the people behind him ran him over
because you know, you can't turn last minute, and so
he went unconscious. He broke both of his collar bones
and his helmet was just like cracked and shattered. So
he woke up in the hospital. He was the John
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Doe in the hospital. So my mom walks in and
she's like, my husband's here. He's you're John Doe whatever.
He was in a bike crash and they're like, yeah,
we don't have him here. She was like, what they
found him? He was there, but he stopped riding bikes
after that too, so.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He went to something less dangerous, which is shooting guns.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, so we started shooting guns. And then in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
One and my brother got into motocross and there's.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, so he's he's still a thrill seeker. That's not
that's not less dangerous. It is funny though, because people
say youth youth shooting sports and it's very popular. I mean,
you you shoot pistols, but you have you have steel challenge,
you have shotgun like trap and skeet and all that
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is huge with youth shooting sports. Yes, and there's probably
a segment of people go, I don't know, like kids guns.
It's like, is that okay? Is that seems a little dangerous,
But as far as like people being injured, it just
doesn't really happen. It's very, very low.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's a freak.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Compared to bicycle racing or tennis, or or football or basketball,
or gymnastics. I mean I have family that were hardcore gymnastics, surgeries,
torn acls, MCLs, all this stuff. I mean, shooting sports
is a really safe, relatively safe, low injury thing unless
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you fall run through stage, which you've never fallen, right, Morgan,
Is there video evidence of this?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
There is?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Can it be shown? I don't know it was a
safe fall. It wasn't in a match. My worst fall
was in training, and it's I try to indoor range,
so the floors are concrete and the target stands are metal.
Metal and concrete are slick. So I step on it
was either a target stand or a wall stand and
it slides and so I go into a split, but
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somehow my face hit the ground first.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So okay, never mind, this is not You're not helping
my argument about it being safer.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Done with safe finger was at the trigger guard? Yeah,
muzzles in a safe direction, yeah, my face and legs.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I just try not. I just don't go so
fast that I can fall down.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I just oh, you can fall You're all going slow, I.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Say, you know, I'm teaching my teenager to drive. It's
like if you're gonna if you're going to hit something,
let's do it going slowly. Please. Pulling into a parking spot,
pulling out, Yeah, same thing with driving boats. Everybody you're
going to crash, go real slow. It's more of a bump. Yeah. So,
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So people reaching out about pistols, own ownership, shooting, what
do you tell them?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So most of it is less about the actual gun
it self and more focused on gear. A lot of
people want to know where to get closed from because
women's clothes with belt loops are very hard to come across,
like athletic clothing. Yes, belts, there's so many belts out there.
Everybody has different preferences. There's no magic belt.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So what's the answer. Uh, pants with belt loops and belts,
what's the answer, Morgan.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
My favorite shorts with belt loops are under Ommer golf shorts.
There you go, My favorite belt is the Link's belt
with a ratchet strap because it adjusts every day. You
don't have to be one set.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah size yeah, neat a big dinner, I can get
a little bit looser.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, I got the next belt. I'm a big fan. Yeah,
just ratchet down.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
But gun wise, a lot of people ask what gun
they should give to their child getting into shooting. Okay,
so smaller person, smaller gun. Don't give them a nine mil.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Smaller caliber, yes, yeah, don't do nine mil and not
necessarily a smaller gun person.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah no, no, no, the frame, the actual look is fine.
A smaller caliber for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Keep juniors on twenty twos for as long as you can.
I got a nine really soon. I was ten, and
I had three years of really bad habits where I
really could not progress for three years.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I was stug the reach of the trigger, doing
weird stuff to control recoil.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, so I would push into my recoil really hard,
so you know, boom boom.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Couldn't get better.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, I wish would have stayed on a twenty two,
which then my dad tried to put me on a
twenty two pistol, and then at that point it was
just so far gone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah you weren't you weren't interested or no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
No, no, no, no, I was interested, but my bad habits
were so far gone. Oh okay, switching back at that
would do no help at that point.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, stay on a twenty two for as long
as you can. I mean, yes, I think that making
it easy to shoot, that's a really good point. I've
never really put that into words, but I know for myself.
I had a ton of trigger time on BB guns
and Pella guns as a kid, and it's like, oh,
it's just fun. It's goof around BB guns and pelaguns.
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But like you learn, I mean I had, I had
like a backstop in my backyard. I had like a
lean to and you can get really good on sites
and trigger and trigger press just doing that stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So my three things that I usually tell people when
they're starting. If you're starting a young kid and like
you still need to teach safety and stuff, start them
with a rifle. Rifle is easier to stop if they
go to swing either way, you can catch, you know,
it's much harder to break the one eighty that way,
Stay safer and then if you are going to do pistol,
do twenty two and either way do a dot and
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not iron sights. That way they can focus on their trigger,
pressing how they're holding the gun versus lining up their
sites correctly.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, just start with the dot. Start with the dot
red dot optic on the gun. I think it's good advice.
And people said, well, they have to learn how to
shoot irons. They will, Yeah, but one thing at a time.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yes, one thing out of time. Let's focus on the
trigger first.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I was I was doing a shotgun lesson with a
pro shotgun shooter a few years back, and I like
to shoot sporting clays, but I kind of do it
not to win any matches as much as just practicing
and getting better for hunting. And so I'm mounting the
gun and shooting, and the teacher says, why are you
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doing that? Because the teachers are a competitive shooter, and
they're like, you're allowed to start with the amount of
gun like, well, it's for hunting, gum. Yeah, yeah, stop
doing that. Just mount the gun. We're not going to
take the mount out of it, and we're gonna I
just you know, I just mounted.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Oh no, I didn't know if something happened.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
If no, no, no, no no no, like I just she's just
gonna just stop mounting the gun, just mount the gun
before So taking one less thing out of the equation.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Do you have to worry about?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Let's just hit stuff? Where? Where? How are you? You know?
What's your lead and what's your swing? And where your
what are your eyes doing? The eyes are a whole
thing with with shotgun shooting. So do you have you know,
you're going into college, what do you think about as
far as like, you're not gonna still caring because you're
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not old enough to do it, right.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I didn't realize that a license? Yeah, very cool. Interesting.
You know, it's funny because people will debate like, oh,
you don't have to have a life, or even when
concealed carry started, they'd say, oh my gosh, people are
gonna be able to carry guns around and it's just
gonna be all these problems. And what's funny is it
doesn't happen. There aren't problems. There aren't. I mean very
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very rarely are there problems from a concealed carry citizen.
It's usually bad guys. Yeah, bad guys are problems. We
know that. But oh my gosh, they're gonna be able
to carry without a permit. And then you're like, well,
send me all the news stories of where this was
a problem and there's nothing. It's not it's not a problem.
So how much do you train these days?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I usually train three days a week.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
That's what I try to.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Look like for you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
So I normally turn in the afternoon. That's what time
the guys I trained with can train, So it's usually
from four to seven. We always start off with a
warm up drill, doubles, bulls eye, whatever we want to
work on that day, and then we get into drills
whatever we want to work on, whether it's distance, going fast, accurate.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Do you have like a theme for the day.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Pretty much?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah? Or is it all over the place? Is like
today accuracy day? Or today is the go fast, burn
it down day or whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Usually usually themes y.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes, we'll do our drill the correlates to the theme,
and then we'll set up a stage or a stage
like thing where it's not a standstill drill, but it's
like maneuvering through the stage, going into positions, leaving positions,
moving and shooting. But we like to run a stage
once each way. So we'll just set up one big stage.
I can be run a ton of different ways and
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just run it once and just come up with a
million different ways to shoot it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Just one stage that you work on, one.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Stage you work on. So I usually shoot about five
hundred rounds in a training session.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Wow, I don't.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't like to do more because I'm a handshort.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, and that's a that's a pretty good amount in
a three hour block. Yeah, it's a lot of shots.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
It's a lot of shooting.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Where do you think people need more practice?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I think a lot of people need more practice and
less of the shooting and more of the movement and
flowing through stages. I think that's a very easy aspect
to forget about in training. It's much easier to just
stand still and shoot some targets, sure, versus actually getting up,
setting up some sort of course and moving through it. Yeah,
takes a lot more targets, more props.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Usually more ammo.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah. The times I've shot some pistol match stuff and
they're you know, I'm usually doing it for TV. I'm
usually with some pros who are helping me and coaching me,
and it's like and you're gonna want to do your
your reload, you know, in this part of the stage,
it's like, oh, like you're thinking about where you're reloading everything,
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and you're and you're like, no, you need to be
doing that before you get to that next place where
you're gonna be shooting. Yeah, just all that I mean,
which is like duh, except that if you don't shoot
matches all the time, you're like, get you run over
there and you go, ugh, I need to reload the
gun now. I should do that as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You could take the best shooter in the world and
they would still struggle on a match because they're probably
not used to moving through a course in shooting.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's very cool. All right, we let's
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Talk about getting on Team Clock.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So I have a very slight, very funny.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Story for this.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, So my biggest dream was to always shoot for
Team Clock. That's what I wanted to do. As soon
as I got into shooting, I watched Team Glock. Glock's
like the biggest known name of firearms. I was like,
I want to be on Team Block. They win all
the time, they have the best attitudes like that just
looks like an amazing group to be associated with. And
so after all my wins, after every match, I would
(28:11):
email Shan and be like.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Hey Shane, I just won this match. Here's the result.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So you like it, and he'd be like okay, good job,
or like he just short responses like that. And so
I got to meet him when I was I think
I was either twelve or thirteen, and I walked up
to him and I was like, hi am Morgan, and
I'm gonna shoot on Team Glock. And he's like, Okay,
that's really cool, work really hard and like you got this.
Maybe one day you will And I was like, no,
(28:37):
I'll be on your team next year and he was
like okay. So I shot emailing him after all my wins,
watch this, look at this, look at this, and I
emailed him. After I won Nationals.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I was like, I won.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Nationals and I won the World Shoot and I emailed him.
I was like, hey, I just won the world shoot.
And then after that he email He's like, I saw that,
how about you coming for an interview? And I was like, yes,
instead going to the interview and I got hired. And
it wasn't a year later, it was two years later.
But I think that's what you did.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So now you're in sales for Glock and like it
sounds like you should be a salesperson. Think it's just
a numbers game. People, you got to keep pounding them.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What made you decide to start reaching out that way?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think my dad always taught me you're not going
to get anything if you don't ask for it. The
worst so you can tell you is no, it's great.
So I got multiple nos.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, just keep trying. Every note leads to a yes,
and it's like maybe it takes five nose or ten nose,
but eventually it leads to a yes.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
It's closer.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's fantastic. Yes, and being your own advocate too, right,
speaking up, Hey, I know you're busy. You may not
have seen, but I just won nationals Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I loved.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I would send him like screenshots. I still have all
the emails, so I like to go back and read them.
It's like, Hi, Shane, Hope, I'm not bothering you.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Look at this. It's funny.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Wow. So what's it like being on team Glock? Like,
what's uh? What type of things do you do with that?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's really amazing, it's really fun. The bond we have
is amazing. I'm obviously younger than the rest of them,
but we all fit in. Like, I don't feel like
I'm I'm younger, I don't feel like I'm an outlier
in the group. We all just we work together very well.
So we shoot a lot of matches together. Usually two
or three of us are ade an area match together,
so we get to squad together, shoot together. We see
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each other once or twice a month.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Wow, it's a long yeah. Yeah, because you guys are
all over the place.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah so everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Te's in Texas, Shane's and Georgia, Ashley's in North Carolina,
and Calli's in Florida. It's we're all different, We're all
from no place.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Cali, I've met Calli, Uh, incredible athlete. Obviously she's she
does a lot of the tactical game stuff. I think
she's a CrossFit athlete. Are you gonna do tactical games.
Are you gonna start lifting?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh my gosh, no, look at me.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I could never.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
They'd be like, pick up this bag that weighs the
same as you. More right.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's so impressive. I don't know how she does it. So,
and on her Instagram she posts a bunch of videos
of her lifting and just working out, and it's like,
oh my god, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Have to watch her stuff get excited and get jacked
up before I go to the gym.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
She just posted a video on her story of her
doing like deadlifts and there's like six plates on each side,
and I was like, I.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Don't even know how much aways. It's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay, this is if people are just listening to this
and not watching you are My kids would be like,
you sound like an old man. You're a young lady.
Sounds like an old grandpa saying this, right, So, how
old are you?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
I'm eighteen, You're.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Eighteen, yes, and uh, I mean you're you look like
you know, you're not this huge person. You're not like
this muscled out lady. Right. So controlling the gun, shooting
the gun, I mean, because a lot of people will say, oh,
they just can't. I just don't like the coil or
I can't run the slide on a semiauto. You've been
(32:04):
doing you've been shooting nine since you were ten years old.
Nine milimeter. Yes, so everybody listening, Yes, you can control
the recoil on a nine milimeter pistol and you can
run the slide because a ten year old girl can
do it. It's possible, and you didn't have like freak
your strength or man hand or something right, right, So, like,
(32:25):
I mean, how do you explain how you do it?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
A lot of how I explain My grip is in
my wrists. I like locking a wrist my biggest tip
to everybody, and they're like, the muscle just flips so much.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I can't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I always say, tighten your strong hand, pinky.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's tighten your strong hand, pinky' on the grip.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Right, that'll lock your wrist.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Everyone's like, oh my gosh, like how do you This
is amazing? Why is nobody talking about this? I'm like,
I don't know, that's just maybe it's a brain thing,
maybe it's an actual muscle thing, but that's that's what works.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Tight in your strong hand, pinky, which goes to Morgan
is supporting what Chris or you know, and our our
team will say grip sites trigger and grip being a
starting point. It's yes, having a nice stance is nice,
but it's less important. Would you say that's true as.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Long as you're not leaning backwards or have your feet together.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean you guys shoot on one foot when you're
standing in a box. Sometimes happens.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, So like it's not everything.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So the grip locking your wrists out, what else? As
far as running a center fire handgun, tips, tricks techniques.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Trips, tips technique, it's hard to say. Yeah, I know,
it's like a tongue twister. It's a good tip.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I like the pinky one.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, running the slide, anything in particular with that.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sometimes I'll recommend a pushing pull grip for like younger people.
I was working with a couple seven and eight year
olds and they were shooting nine and they were really struggling,
and I was like, I think you're just, you know,
randomly applying pressure. Let's try dedicating our pressure somewhere on
the grip. I want you to think about pushing forward
(34:16):
with this hand and pulling with this hand while tightening
that pinky and you could visibly see the muzzles flipping
much less. So I think it's just playing around with
different grips to see what works and may not be
right to what people say is right, but if it works,
it's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think that the competition shooters
will always play with how do I go faster and
more accurate, and they're less concerned of how it looks
or well, this is the way we've always done it.
More like I don't care. I'll do weird stuff with
my hands, my wrists, my fingers to you know, something,
(34:55):
something to give me an edge. I think that's also
true when you look at some of these like Elite
Special Forces shooters that obviously the AMU trains these guys
and stuff. It's like, look, I don't care if it's
if it's a pink gun, a barbie gun. If I
don't care if I if this isn't the way they
used to do it on the teams, like if it
(35:18):
makes me go faster and shoot more accurately, I'm open
to it, which is great.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, truth is, we all look a little bit goofy
or we're running around with guns.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What's the hardest part for you. I mean we're talking
about going fast, being accurate, reloads, movement. Is there a
part of all of those things that's like, this is
the one that I have to work a little harder at.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I'm not very good at, like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Shooting bullseyes accurately.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You struck me as a person who would like to
go fast.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I have like a cadence set in my head, and
I have to follow the cadence. I just I can't
slow down and just get out of the cadence.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I just can't. I try so.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Hard, but sometimes you have to slow down. Yeah, maybe
for a little bit more accuracy or a longer shot.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yes, And I end up just taking like a million
shots out of them.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Stuff accurately through volume and stuff. That's something I would.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Do, you know, you just aim in the miss.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Miss hit, all right, go moving on? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Another big thing that I've kind of struggled with in
the past is burnout, which a lot of people don't
talk about. But aside from like shooting techniques, I think
burnout is something that a lot of people struggle with that's.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Hard to get out of, like shooting too much, Like just.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like just shooting too much, getting tired of it in
a sense, just not having like the physical or mental
capacity to go train.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Sure, I think that's hard.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So end of two years ago, I was like, I
was just so over it. I shot so much that year,
Like I was gone every other week, and I was
just so over it. I took like a three month break,
and then finally I was like, I didn't think about
a gun. I didn't touch a gun. I didn't shoot
nothing for three months. And I got back and like
(37:08):
my hands were really soft and I couldn't shoot more
than like two hundred rounds, and I was like, dang,
I never doing Like, it doesn't matter how bad burnout gets,
I'm never doing that again.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
But it's probably good to take a little break sometimes.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I've started taking smaller breaks throughout the year, or just
what feels like smaller breaks, whether it's not touching a
gun for a week, if I have a little bit
of a break between matches. But also setting goals has
helped me a lot with that. I'm very competitive, so
keeping goals up throughout.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
The year motivates you.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, so I haven't been burnt in a few years now,
But when it was bad.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
It's like I'm never gonna shoot again.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
You ever gotten uh? I call it tennis elbow from
shooting a lot I haven't.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Mine is more like my fingers. I feel like I
have arthritis in my fingers.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
They like hurt to bend, like the age of eighteen.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, I'm like, they're like glass, They're gonna snap in
half if I'd bend them any further.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Imagine you have a pretty strong grip though.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, it's just my fingers hurt.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah. Do you train? Do you train hand strength stuff? So?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I used to a lot and then I didn't, But
recently my fingers have been like hurting really bad. So
I'm getting into it. Like I have the bands that
go outwards and then okay crushes for inwards. So I
keep them in my car when I'm driving. It's really
easy to do on one hand out of time.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, so hopefully one hand at a time.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So I'm starting to get I'm trying to get more
into that the way I don't get arthritis in my fingers.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, very cool. Well, I mean this is the thing
people don't understand. And I know, I'm sure you know
Max Michelle, who lives here locally and all of you
guys you're professional athletes. I mean you are training the
physical part, you're training, the mental part, you're you're training, uh,
the doing of the sport, and so those are all
(38:53):
aspects of it. What's what's coming up for you? What's
the next match in?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
What's my Monday?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Three days relieve Area five Thursday.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Oh wow, Area five and then.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I and a couple of weeks after that is I
don't know lied.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
So where's that one? Area five?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
It's in Ohio. It's where the whole carry Optics nationals
are factory going nationals. It's a Meringo that big range.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Okay, yeah, that's a cool range.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I like carry optics has become the biggest category, Is
that right?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I think Harry Optics is the biggest, but just like
optics overall is kind of taken over.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah. So if I'm if I want to place in
a match, I should go like like single stack iron
sights where there's like no one competing. Basically I'm guaranteed
like a top five spot.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, maybe maybe top two because there's only.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Two of us. Yeah, I like this. I like my odds.
That's someone to plan this out Morgan, thanks for being
all with us. Is fun. Thank you for how so
you guys go check her out. Morgan is on all
the socials, yes, just Instagram, Instagram. Well go follow her
on Instagram. And uh, and maybe this is something you
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can show to your your wife, your daughter, your kid's like, look,
this is cool. She's doing it. She's like on Team Glock.
This is this could be a real thing. You get
paid and you get you know, to get to shoot
you the best, probably some free amo. Occasionally other people's
ammo o p A. All right, guys, thanks for listening,
(40:33):
and we will see you next time on Gun Talk Nation.
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