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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hey, Hey, hey, we're gonna be talking about guns today.
I'm Tom Gresham. I'm the host. This is Gun Talk.
We're gonna have some fun. Got a lot of things
to talk about, some fun, some serious, great stories, amazing
stories going on the Department of j that's the US
Department of Justice creating a special section in the Civil
Rights Division to protect the Second Amendment. What's the meaning.
(01:09):
I don't know yet. We're going to talk about that.
We have a grant from the US Department of education
to further education on the Second Amendment. Could you say,
Donald Trump, what a change. And then we've got some
guns we want to talk about. I took four new
pistols out to the range yesterday. I liked three of them.
(01:31):
Give the details on that and just a little bit.
A lot of things for us to talk about. And
of course, as always, you can be a part of this.
Just give me a call if you are a question
a comment, you think I screwed up, well you're probably right,
give me a call at tom Talk gun and we
could talk about it. If you have been online for
the last two days, maybe three days at least, that
(01:53):
you've seen the news Glock has a new pistol out,
the Gen six. Now here's the back. We've known about
this for a long time and we couldn't talk about
it because it was embargoed. And at gun Talk we
take our promises seriously. We'll not be telling some of
the folks who got the early word on this don't
(02:15):
and they leaked it. Well, we'll just pick it up
from that. We're going to bring in Ryan Gresham now
from gun Talk headquarters. And Ryan, you actually had a
chance to shoot the Gen six block, but again, we
keep our promises. We're quiet about it even when others
are leaking.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, happy Sunday.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I actually got invited to and we had we worked
with all the major gun companies and we knew that
this was coming, and we were invited to a media
event at Glock headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. And it was
a big media event. I mean sometimes these media events
are ten to twenty people. This one was more than
(02:55):
eighty people.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And a lot of.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
The gun me personalities that people probably know were there.
I mean like John Lovell and mister guns is in
Gear and some of the some of the folks who
are always covering this stuff both online and then print.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
And wherever else.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
But yeah, we got to see it. And this it
was funny going into it because there wasn't a whole
lot of information going in and I think some of
the people who had been invited but they didn't really
know what they were being invited for. It's just a
Glock product launch event. And I heard speculation of maybe
this is maybe they're introducing a twenty eleven, maybe they're
(03:34):
doing this, maybe they're doing that. But Glock has always
been a company that kind of they know what they do.
They do it well, they're they're not trying to, you know,
start making the stuff that is not their wheelhouse. So yeah,
I mean they introduced the Gen six, which I mean, surprise, surprise,
the number six comes after the number five. They had
(03:55):
Gens one, two, three, four, and five, and now they
have a Gen six.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Ye I know.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Right now, I said, if they really wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Surprise some people, they should have entered they should have
brought out a Gen seven and just thrown everybody for
a loop, just skipped over six.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But yeah, the folks from block from Austria going, I'm
sorry that I do not understand. Is that a joke? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I know. So just just to clarify because I was
looking at some of the comments on some of the
content online. We do. We did put out a video
about the Gen six some coverage of that and we'll
have more coming later. But so if you if you
want to see that, you can go to gun Talks, Facebook, YouTube, x, Instagram,
(04:40):
all those places. But people were saying, I've seen some
stuff online where people go so wait, now the Gen
six is replacing the V series because that was introduced
just a month or two ago, right, and I want
to help try to clarify from what I understand and
talking to the folks at Block is the VS series.
(05:01):
And this is Ryan Gresham talk and not necessarily Glock,
but my understanding and talking to them is the V
series is essentially it's they changed the Gen five. They
changed some of the backplate stuff because of the switch situation,
the illegal machine gun conversion kits, which obviously Glock has
(05:24):
nothing to do with. Glock is involved in like four
different lawsuits with that stuff. But so that's what that is.
I mean, it's a full line. It's you know, the
easy way to think about it is the Gen fives.
Now it's called the V series, and it's it's been
tweaked and it's a full lineup of sizes and calibers.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And haven't figured out that the V is a Roman
numeral five.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Wait a minute, what.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Figure? I know crazy, I had to look it up.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Well, how about that, we just cracked the code. So yeah,
they brought out the Gen six, which is something that
I think that has been in the works for a
really long time. And Glock said in their press conference
at this event, the Glock pistol. We're not changing the
Glock pistol. It is try and true. I mean, it
(06:17):
is super reliable, it's super safe, and it's a platform
the people know and love, which is all true now.
So it's kind of like people always want the new, new,
new new. It's like okay, but like if they completely
redesign an f one point fifty, people would be probably
pistolup off. Yeah, I don't want it to not be that.
(06:40):
So the gen stakes what they need to know about
it is essentially Block has done several things to the
gun to help it be more ergonomic, more shootable, keeping
up with a lot of the things that people wanted
on glocks for years and have been modifying themselves, which
makes a lot of sense. So some of the things
(07:03):
that they did on this gun. They has a flat
face trigger, which is the trend these days. It has
an extended beaver tail, which is noticeably nice on the block.
You you're going to be less likely to get slide by,
You're going to be it's going to able. You need
to get higher on the gun where you shoot it
(07:25):
in control.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
We were right all along there. They're doing a nineteen
eleven treatment on a block. That's what this.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Says, Right, They have an undercut on the trigger guard
to help you again get higher on the gun and
also possibly reduce the glock knuckle that if you shoot
a lot of glocks, you'll you'll, you know, you kind
of get this like callous or bump from where your
your fingers you grew up in there, so that's helpful.
(07:53):
They reduced the links of from the back of the
grip to the trigger, so the reach to the trigger.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Is a little bit shorter.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
This is can help some people with like medium to
small hands. Right, they change the it is obviously it's
optics ready. It's a different system. It is not the
it's not the CoA thing that they did with aim
Point last year, and it's not the glock MOS system.
It's a new system that it has three different They
(08:28):
call them plates, but it's a little bit of a misnomer.
You don't screw the plate into the slide and then
screw the optic into the plate. These these plates are
poliver and they act like a crushwasher. So all you're
doing you put the plate on so it fits your optic,
and then you put your optic on the gun. You
screw it in so it does release reduce one set
(08:49):
of screws. And one of the things that people it's
it's kind of like, it makes a lot of sense
to me. One of the things that's internal that you
won't give a sea, but they did, is because so
many guns are being run with optics on them, and
then you're having to cut guns for optics. When you
think about a glock and the design hasn't changed dramatically
(09:09):
over the years, it wasn't designed to put an.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Optic on it.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And when you start cutting into the slide, what's what's
down there below? When you start screwing screws in you.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Lot of real estate in there to have a screwed
depth in there. There's not a lot of purchase.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
So they redesigned some of the internals. And because what
was happening sometimes if people used the wrong screws and
they were too long, then they were starting to get
into the inner workings. Or if you use lots of
lock tight and it dripped into the internals, you know
what could go wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Then all of a.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Sudden, your gun's not extracting and there's something wrong with
the gun. Well, my gun together, Yeah, mister amster gunsmith,
you caused the problem. So they did a little bit
of internal changes to so you don't have that issue
anymore because it comes with two backstraps, it comes with
three mags, and right out of the gate, it's the
Glock seventeen, the Glock nineteen, and the Glock forty five,
(10:09):
not forty five ACP, but the Model forty five. Three
models ye all nine millimeter And people immediately say, well,
what about the ten and what about the baby blocks
and what about this net. They're going to be adding
to the line, but you have to start somewhere, and
they're starting with their three most popular models.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
They also have a feature on there. They call it
the gas pedal, and competitors have been using this for
a while. It's basically a thumb rest on the side
of the slide and it looks like just the haffectation
or something, but once you start shooting a gun that
has that, you realize there's actually a benefit to that.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yes, that's a good point. They did put a little
bit of a thumb rest on there, and just to clarify,
they actually removed some material from the side of the frame.
They didn't add a bump out onto the side. So
these guns, according to Glock, will fit or should fit
(11:07):
all our most Gen five holsters.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Oh good.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
So it didn't change the shape of the gun. The
thumb rest or gas pedal, it's it's there, there's some texture,
there's a little bit of bump. I didn't It's not
like a dramatic gas pedal like you might find on
like an open gun that had like this big thumb rest.
I mean, it's a little bit there. It's it's helpful.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
That adds to it.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
But trying to not you know, change the shape of
the gun completely. It's it's not a dramatic thing. It's
just another little thing that helps help me.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
R Ran, Can you hold on our second. I need
to sell some soap here. We'll come back and we'll
you know, talk about this and some of the other
stuff you're doing now. Rains ready in gun talk. Okay, okay,
sounds good. All right, don't go far, will be right back.
We've got update fund block and also what's going on
at Raine ready some of the stuff they've been shooting,
testing and having some fund maybe even some new videos
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Hey, guys, Max Michelle here, I just wanted to take
a moment to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years on
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Speaker 4 (14:44):
Buddy, Okay, this is funny. Well on the air right now,
I'm getting texts that are flying in. Why hasn't glock
brought out the seble stack version of the forty three X.
Why hasn't that Glock done this?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Why?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Ryan, I mean, to your point is like patient's grasshopper.
We're going to get to this stuff, but we got
to bring them out one or two or three at
a time.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
It is so funny. I mean that's before I got
on the call with you. I was kind of just
looking at the comments, as I mentioned, and you want
it says, well, you know all that needs they still
have these plastic sites. Look, if you don't like the sites,
you know how many different versions of Glock sites there
are out there. After market, you slide out those, you
slide in the other ones.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
You got new sites in five minutes. You got new sites,
and you got your choice of you know, dozens or hundreds.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I don't know if you're right, you know, I mean
like they're gonna they put okay, we did some new sites,
and they come with these sites whatever, it's pick one.
And then half the people say, well I don't like
fiber optic sites. Well I don't like night sites. You
just put your sites on the gun and go to town.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah there's no there's something else here too, And people
so why don't they put the better sites on you go. Look,
if they have to spend call it thirty dollars more
a set of sites, then they've got to mark up
the gun six to ninety dollars and people will just
screen bloody murder if the price goes up like that.
So they they could give you a functional set of sights.
Now it's up to you to either learn to shoot
(16:10):
up or go get something else doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, then they're going to explain about the
price because they put really good sites on the gun,
except half the people are mad about that, so you
know you can't win.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, no, exactly right. So all right, so we got
these new glock pistols and there I guess either out
and just I did want to make this one point
is originally this was embargo to come out on Monday tomorrow,
but we got the okay Glock said okay, it's out there.
People have leaked it, so they told us we're okay
to talk about it. Otherwise we would still be quiet
about it to honor our commitment to that. So I
(16:41):
just want to let people know about that.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, they sent an email to everybody who
attended the event to let them know. Okay, well it
was supposed to be Monday, but now it's leaked so
many places, and I mean I even got text messages
from Glock yesterday just confirming that we're cleared hot to
go ahead and talk about it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Okay, all right, so I people should know. If they're not,
they need to follow you as far as all the
videos on YouTube and the other places where you have them.
You're getting products in all the time, and of course
you've got you know, first person defender and guns and
gear and other things you are doing, as well as
working with a lot of companies. I'm just thinking about
anything that's come through in the last couple or three months.
(17:21):
You said, Now, that's kind of interesting. People might want
to know about that.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, we were messing around with the three three eight
arc cartridge. We got in a fax and rifle, kind
of a real lightweight ar that is, I mean, essentially
it's a pistol. It's a twelve and a half inch barrel,
very skeletonized and lightweight configuration. But playing around with the
three three eight are kind of Hornedy's and you know,
(17:48):
forgive me if this isn't what somebody else thinks it is.
But it's kind of Horneredy's version of the eight six
Blackout that came out a few years back. But it's
pretty cool, and you have I think we had two
different loads for it. We had a one seventy five
grain supersonic and we had a three hundred and seven
grain sonic, and i'd say we did a video about it.
(18:11):
Just one of the things is just making the point
that obviously this is not interchangeable when you when you
switch these loads, it's going to dramatically change your point
of impact. And just as an example, the one seventy
five the supersonic load cited in perfectly at one hundred yards.
Nice little group shot great. Then we had we put
(18:32):
in the subs exact same hold and that was about
eleven and a half inches lower at one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Whow that a bunch.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah, So you've got to have to know if you're
going to be shooting those subsidics, you have to plan
for that and site in accordingly. So I shoot an
animal with it yet, but it's kind of an interesting cartridge.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
And I imagine that the subs sonic weather can on.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
It's mighty quiet, oh, very quiet, and I mean this
is already a short, stubby little cartridge, and we pulled
the bullets just for fun. That's three hundred and seven
green bullet is almost like two inches long. It's it's
like a.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Spear high BC on that one.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, very high. Yes, you know, I'll tell you one
of the weird little bullistic nerds thing because the faster
and you tell me if I'm right on this, the
faster the bullet's going, the faster it slows down. But
of course a subsonic you can only be at about
ten fifty one thousand and fifty feet per second. And
what's weird is even at several hundred yards around it
(19:46):
starts out at going ten to fifty I mean at
three hundred yards, it may be going like nine to fifty.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Oh correct. And this is the secret sauce A lot
of people still don't understand. It's what makes the six
to five creed more work. And it's like this kind
of a man magic thing is you can start it
out slower and it is you'll call it twenty six hundred,
twenty seven hundred pet per second. I'm not real blazing.
But for the high PC bullet by the time it
gets to two fifty or three hundred yards or beyond,
it's carrying more energy than a lot of magnums did,
(20:14):
even though they started out three or four hundred feet
per second faster.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, you haven't lost a whole lot. So yeah, that's
been kind of fun. Another one that we got in
was the loopholed rangefinder. And let me tell you what
this one's called, because I'm not good at remembering these names,
especially when they're named by an engineer. It's the loop
loopholed RX five thousand tbr W for wind.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Here's this.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I know it's one of these. Geez, come on, can
we please just name it like the super duper rangefinder?
So it ranges out the five thousand yards. It's an
eight power magnification, so it's kind of nice if you're
using it out west or some longer distances. One of
the really cool features is it's got bluetooth and it'll
talk to your phone and you can mark waypoints via
(21:04):
on x or Google Maps, and so when you're on
a hill and you shoot an elk over there across
the way at four hundred yards, you can mark that
waypoint from where you're sitting. So when you go up
and down around the hill and you're like, wait, I
thought he was right here. No, the waypoint is marked.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's on your phone on the on X app, your
geolocation map, and you can just follow it in. That's amazing,
pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I mean, that's it's kind of wild to be able
to point your rangefinder somewhere with it, you know, five
thousand yards in the direction and say that's the point
I want to go to, or that's the point that
I saw that I last saw that deer at.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Wow, that is something. Hey, I'm out of time. As
we always do, we run out of time. You got
some more classes coming. I guess you'll be announcing those
maybe after the first of the year.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, we'll have some more classes. We'll be announcing them
and some fun events for for next year. So stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Okay, sounds good. Ryan Gresham from range Ready Studios Gun
Talk head Course, thank you, sir, appreciate your input on
the new clocks.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You met all right, there you go. Hey, I took
some guns out to the range. I shot. I took
four new pistols out yesterday we shot. Yeah, it's some
fun there. Three of of my life one of them.
I'm a little undecided. I'll give you the details when
we come back. Eight six six Talk Gun. Give me
a call with your range report. We're back and we're
(22:36):
still talking about guns. I'm Tom Gresh. If you want
to check it out, go over to X you know
the former Twitter thing. I am at gun Talk over
an X and I'm always posting messages and links to
stories and trying to keep people informed. And then sometimes
I throw things out there and hope that people understand sarcasm. Yeah,
they never do. They go crazy. It's just like, how
(22:59):
can you say something like that? It's sarcasm, but it
flies right above the heads of a lot of people.
But it's fun. If you get it, you'll enjoy all
the comments. So, yeah, I'm at gun Talk over on X.
We'll talk about these pistols. I took the rings just
a little bit. But first off, Gary called in online
three out of Atlanta and Gary, you had an experience
(23:20):
with Delta Airlines.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Yes, Tom, I did. I've been flying recently from dangerous
city to dangerous city and I always travel with guns.
So and it's checked through the TSA appropriately. But when
you check in at the counter at Delta. Now they
put an additional tag on your luggage that says your
(23:45):
luggage cannot go on the carousel belt anymore. You must
go to baggage Claim and claim it, and then they
require you to present your ID. And one time when
I did it, the ladies, now it's been a very
loud voice to everybody who was around. Oh, you want
the bag with the.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Gun in it?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
No, I want the bag with six guns in it? Lady.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yeah. And so then when they give you the bag,
they check your idea and then they give you the bag.
It's bound with zip ties, yep. And then you go, well,
thank you so much for securing it while it was
in transit. Where you remove the binding. Now, I'd like
to have access to my luggage. No, we won't remove it.
The only one that can remove it is the police.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Okay, all right, let me give you my take on that,
because yeah, I knew that Delta was doing this. American
puts a special steel me tag on it. Delta does
their own thing, and of course, as often as the case,
they will tell you things that are not true. And yes,
they're going to put the zip ties on there, and
then they'll tell you you can't remove that until you
(24:55):
get off airport port property. That is not true.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
A friend of mine had that happen, and he had
he anticipated. He had a little set of diagonal cutters, uh,
tucked away in his carry on, not just carry on,
his check bag. He just reached in a zipper, pulled
those out, and snipped the zip tie off of his
gun case, right there in front of the lady. And
(25:23):
she says, you can't do that.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
What I now got a big pair of toenail clippers
that I oh, there you go my carry on bag
and so far TSA hadn't said anything about the big
toenail clippers.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
No, no, no, let me tell you what he did.
He clipped it off. She said, you can't do that.
He says, call a cop. Just called her on it,
because if she called a cop coping on it, go
over and said, what are you talking about, lady, get
out of here. You know that they do want to
exercise their authority, and they often make up authority. I
get it that it's a pain, and if you've traveled
a lot, you already know it's different in every airport.
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Every airport has got a different system. Sometimes you just
check the bag and to throw it on the conveyor belt.
Some places they put a tag on it. Some places
they say you got to take it over there to TSA.
It's just different everywhere you.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Go, right, So, I mean, I know the obvious answer
is just not fly Delta anymore. But I didn't know
that because I think Delta setting themselves up for losses
because if they prevent you from getting in your luggage
and then you're accrosted in the parking garage because you
can get to your firearms.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now, they're not going to be liable for that. That's
it's again, it goes back to you. You got to say, Okay,
what do I need to have happen? What I want
is to have access to my gun as quickly as
I can. Now, I'm not taking my gun out of
my bag in the airport lobby there. I'm going to
take it to the rental car or to my car,
and then I'm going to gun up when I get there,
load up the bags and you know, put the gun
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in my holster and everything. Now I do that before
I leave the parking garage.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Well, I usually go to the bathroom and get in
a stall and open it in a stall.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Well, and you can do that, but you've got to
be careful because some states have marked the airports, the
major airports as gun free zones, and so you can't
automatically assume that you're legal doing that. Okay, so do
your homework as always. Look, I appreciate the call, sir,
(27:21):
but yeah and yeah, Delta, what are you doing? And
American putting a tag on there that said, well, it
doesn't say firearm. It says yeah, it says like special handling,
which to everybody, they look at it and go, yeah,
that means it's a gun. The reason they don't put
firearm on it is because it's against the law for
the airlines to put a tag on your gun case
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it says firearm. There's actually a law that prevents common
carriers in the airlines are a common carrier from identifying
a package as containing a firearm. So just something for
you to be aware of. All right, here's a crazy story.
You may have seen this one. A guy from England
(28:03):
is in Florida. He's visiting some friends and they've got
some private land and he goes out and shoots a
shotgun with him. You see the picture of him doing this.
He doesn't really know what he's doing. That's okay, he
didn't hold it well, but he takes somebody takes a
picture of him shoot a shotgun and he posted online.
Fast forward. He gets well. First, he gets a notice
(28:24):
from the authorities in the United Kingdom to say he
has been warned because the image might quote make people
feel or might make people feel bad. And then when
he gets to England, he gets arrested for posting a
picture online of him shooting a shotgun in Florida, and
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they try to come up with all sorts of things.
If you threaten people, you've done this and that. I
think by now, this is several weeks ago, they've kind
of backed away and figured out that they've really screw up.
But it does give you an example of what it's
like in England these days, where we know we're seeing
the stories they're arresting people for posting memes online because
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it would make someone feel bad, it might make somebody
feel unsafe, or it might be considered to be offensive.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Of course, the proper response to that is f you,
I don't care. People need to grow up and then
we have free speech, except they don't. Once again, pointing
out how incredible and incredibly valuable and precious are our
constitutional rights in the United States of America. We have
(29:47):
the First Amendment, we have free speech, and how do
we protect our free speech with the Second Amendment? Because
if we didn't have a Second Amendment, there would be
people in the government here who do exactly what they're
doing in England. It is only the Second Amendment. And
let me be really specific about this, because I don't
(30:10):
want to dance around it and pretend it's not there
or be coy about it. The Second Amendment is about
crushing a tyrannical government in the United States of America.
That's what it's for. And yeah, you could say, oh,
you could be called up for active duty or whatever,
the militia, you know, it gets foreign invaders. Yeah, that's
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not really what it's about. It's about the United States
citizens having control of their country and not letting it
be taken over by tyrannical bureaucrats who would otherwise frankly,
jail you and kill you, put you in jail for
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posting memes, put you in jail for having a legal gun,
which they've done in a lot of places. We had
door to door kicked indoors Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans,
taking all the guns. Mayor Ray Nagan said, there will
be no guns in here. Only the police will have
guns here. Absolutely illegal order, absolutely illegal actions by the
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police there, confiscating thousands of guns and then denying they
ever did it until we finally found the guns at
a warehouse after we sued Nagan personally as well as
suing the city. If you get you just get the
copy of the book The Great New Orleans Gun Grab.
It details that history as well. So, uh, oh, we've
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got a raiseport coming in here. Steve is in Omaha, Nebraska. Steve,
what you shooting? Man? Line five is Steve there?
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Im sorry, that's ok.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You know what, A lot of people put me on mute.
I don't take it personally.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Here we go, I had some mute.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
My goodness, go ahead, all right?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
So, uh, we were we have an outer range here,
a bunch of indoor ranges, but uh, this one out
of range. I remember we were shooting late in the
day and of course, you know what the time change,
the sun goes down a lot earlier, and we were
shooting steel and paper, and well then the sun started.
You know twilight was happening. It's like, man, you know what,
(32:23):
we got these weaponount advins. Let's just turn them on
and start using it. My goodness, it was. It became
our new favorite training thing now. And so this is
the low light. It's just heaving out of range, you know,
this is the low light.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Uh, it's okay. We used to we get a lot
of dogs through these calls. It's all fine.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Yeah, so there yeah, So this is our new light
low light training session. And uh, my one my one
tip is be sure and take a tarp with you
if you're going to collect your brass because when it
hits the snow, it melts.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
All oh.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yes, you would high brass hits the snow and goes down.
You'll never collect your brass.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
Absolutely, So take a tarp and you can still move,
but you got to put your tarps in the right place.
There you go, you know, shoot and move and shooting
low light, Holy cow, this it's it changes everything.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, you know, having a light is good.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Slow light it's great.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It is that low light shooting and training is really interesting.
You know, I found it sound kind of weird. I
actually shot better sometimes in the low light situations. Because
you're getting away from a lot of the distractions. And
I found that I actually looked at my sights better
in low light than in the daylight. And then and
that's the meat problem. I get that, but it was
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just an interesting observation. Steve, Thank you for the call.
Appreciate that good range report. So I went to the
range yesterday with my friend Brad and good test of that.
I had four pistols from Smith and Wesson sent me
out of pistols. And I have kind of smallest hands
and Brad has big old hands, big old meat hook hands,
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and that works great because we can try different guns.
He really experienced top level shooter. And I found of
the four guns, I liked three of them a lot,
and one of them I was puzzled about, honestly. And
the MP medal MP two point zero medal I love,
always love the M and PS and the metal I
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like even better. The Performance Center M ANDP shield X
was terrific. Now we're not so good for Brad because
it has a smaller grip and he had a little
trouble with his big old hands on that one. Okay,
but we both shot it well. The surprise for both
of us was how much we liked the Bodyguard two
point zero. That's their little three eighty and it's a
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time little thing, but even with his big hands he
could shoot it. And that thing is a one whole
hole puncher. It is so accurate, just worked great. I mean,
I really really like the way it shoots, and of
course there's no recoil. You just pop up, up, up up.
You can really rip them off. The one that was
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interesting and a little bit perplexing to me, and I'm thinking,
I know that smith has a reason for making it,
and it's a niche that I probably don't identify with.
And I couldn't quite figure it out. I mean, I
liked it and I shot it well, but it left
me scratching my head. Was the smith of Western CSX,
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and that is a not a striker fired gun, but
it's a hammer fired gun. It's a microcompact three point
one to three point six inch barrel or slide and
shoots really well. It's got a good trigger. But I
just found myself thinking, huh, it's the same size and
everything as a lot of these striker fired guns, and
maybe it's the body could explain it to me because
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I'm not quite understanding why you would go to a
hammer fired gun as opposed to a striker fired gun.
And I don't. I didn't think the trigger was necessarily better,
and I think that used to be would say a
hammer fired gun has a better trigger pull. I think
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the trigger pull on striker fired guns has gotten a
lot better to the point where and now, look, it's
not a nineteen eleven trigger because nothing, it's like a
nineteen eleven. It really isn't. But the striker fired guns
are really good, and if you can control the trigger,
you could shoot really well with striker gun. We were
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putting up little pieces of tape on the target. We're
basically a two x two inch square, and we're shooting
them at ten yards, Yeah, two by two inch square,
shooting him at ten yards and hitting that two by
two inch square most of the time. And with all
the guns, even the little three eighty just wasn't a problem.
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This was really fun. I liked it, so shot the
three nines and the three eighty. The MP three point
zero is a bigger gun, almost just about full size.
You call it a full size gun, and I'm okay
with that. I would carry that. In fact, I do
carry full sized guns because I've gone completely to outside
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the waistband holsters, not doing ibbs, but that the shield,
the M and P shield was really impressive and good trigger,
good performance. Just liked everything about it. I liked the
feel of the grip. But what was interesting was with
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Brad and me shooting the side by side, picking up
different guns. And he had an HK and he had
a nineteen eleven and oh we had Sigga nine thirty eight.
So we will shooting a lot of different guns and
seeing which ones fit. Now, one of the things we
did not do, I'll just tell you this up front.
We didn't do the swapping out of the backstraps. Probably
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could have done some customization of the feel of the
grips by doing that, but we just picked them up
out of the box with what they came and just
shot them. That way worked really well. Great fun just
going to the range and just it's been an hour
just banging away shooting, having a good old time. We
did an orientation at the gun club where we went to.
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They're putting all their members old and new through an
orientation and that was good. Learned some things in discussion
with the club president and I want to talk about
that when I come back, because it's kind of about
the health of future of gun clubs and shooting ranges.
And you know, we talk about the squat analysis, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities,
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and threats. There are a lot of threats for gun ranges,
for shooting ranges, and left me scratching my head and
wondering about shooters and gun owners and people who go
to ranges in terms of supporting them. And then what
are we going to do to make sure we have
these ranges up. We'll talk about when we come back.
Give me a call Tom Talk Gun is the number.
(39:15):
We'll be right back with gun Talking. Before I moved on,
I didn't want to make sure I got the name
right on that performance center M and P. It's called
the M and P shield x Carry com And it
is a nice pistol. Really really like that pistol. And look,
(39:38):
if you're one of those people that doesn't pay a
lot of attention online and look at the ads and
see what's going on with guns and gun prices, let
me give your heads up. There's something going on. Essentially,
it's kind of bad news in the gun world and
good news for you The bad news in the gun
industry is that sales are down, like way down, and
as a result, there are crazy deals out there. I'm
(39:59):
just kicking on the with the Western website. They've got
long gun holiday rebates, they've got savings for first responders
and for military veterans, and just all sorts of deals
from everybody. Right now, if you're possibly in the market
for a gun, there are some deals out there. They'll
(40:21):
knock your socks off. I mean, I'm seeing some rifles
will be listed at fifty percent off, So you might
want to spend a little time out there poking around.
All right, let me talk just for a second about
the gun club. So we're talking to the president of
this gun club and it's not an expensive place. It's
like seventy five dollars a year for membership unlimited shooting.
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And he said, yeah, he says, but you know, we
know that houses are going to move in around us,
and we know we're going to end up eventually losing
our property here, and it's hard to get people to
spend any money here. And while he was talking, I'm
looking at this wonderful facility and he said, you know,
people just they don't want to spend any money I'm thinking,
I'm some reason I started thinking about golfers and golf courses.
(41:04):
And a golf course. You know, people will spend forty
bucks at a low, low level for a green fee,
one hundred and twenty bucks not unheard of, not unusual
at all, Spend quite a bit of money, Spend a
lot of money to belong to golf courses. What's the difference?
Speaker 8 (41:23):
You know?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Not making a point, I'm really asking could we how
well could we protect and improve our shooting ranges? Frankly,
if we could raise our prices and spend more money.
And I know nobody wants to hear about higher prices
on anything. I get it. I don't want to spend
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any more than I'm currently spending. At the same time,
I don't want to lose shooting ranges. I don't want
to lose the places where we go to exercise our
Second Amendment rights. And yet can I say this now?
I I can't say this without irritating people. It's going
to take people off. That's okay, I do that. Shooters
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are some of the cheapest sobs I've ever run into.
I mean just are, And it's okay. To be froogal.
I get it, But at the same time, it's like, Okay,
you know, we're not going to have this place. If
we don't spend any money on it, we're not going
to maintain it. You know what, People take stuff out
(42:27):
to the shooting range, they shoot it up, they leave
it there, take cardboard boxes and shoot them and leave them there.
They're trash. You know you brought it out there. You
could take it back. There's not like somebody's going to
clean it up for you. There's nobody there to do that.
I don't know exactly what it is. I don't know
what the culture things going on here is, but I'm
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just starting to kind of noodle this around and saying,
you know, is there I got to say what can
we do? But is there actually anything we could do
to get people say? Yeah, I'll pony up more. You know,
you'll have a nicer place if you spend more on it,
or is a gravel pit and a burm barrel? All
you need is that? All you want? Is that a
(43:14):
place where you want to take your date, your wife,
your kids to go. Would you like a better place?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Now?
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I know there are definitely some higher end indoor ranges,
particularly in metropolitan areas. Just a kind of a noodle
of thought. I don't know, I haven't really developed it
a lot, but I was thinking about it as he
was talking. I was thinking man golf courses and shooting ranges.
That's an interesting compare and contrast situation. Just you know,
fuit for thought. All right, eight sixt' six Talk gun.
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hey, Hey, hey, we're gonna be talking about guns today.
I'm Tom Gresham. I'm the host. This is Gun Talk.
We're gonna have some fun. Got a lot of things
to talk about, some fun, some serious, great stories, amazing
stories going on the Department of j that's the US
Department of Justice creating a special section in the Civil
Rights Division to protect the Second Amendment. What's the meaning.
(01:09):
I don't know yet. We're going to talk about that.
We have a grant from the US Department of education
to further education on the Second Amendment. Could you say,
Donald Trump, what a change. And then we've got some
guns we want to talk about. I took four new
pistols out to the range yesterday. I liked three of them.
(01:31):
Give the details on that and just a little bit.
A lot of things for us to talk about. And
of course, as always, you can be a part of this.
Just give me a call if you are a question
a comment, you think I screwed up, well you're probably right,
give me a call at tom Talk gun and we
could talk about it. If you have been online for
the last two days, maybe three days at least, that
(01:53):
you've seen the news Glock has a new pistol out,
the Gen six. Now here's the back. We've known about
this for a long time and we couldn't talk about
it because it was embargoed. And at gun Talk we
take our promises seriously. We'll not be telling some of
the folks who got the early word on this don't
(02:15):
and they leaked it. Well, we'll just pick it up
from that. We're going to bring in Ryan Gresham now
from gun Talk headquarters. And Ryan, you actually had a
chance to shoot the Gen six block, but again, we
keep our promises. We're quiet about it even when others
are leaking.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, happy Sunday.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I actually got invited to and we had we worked
with all the major gun companies and we knew that
this was coming, and we were invited to a media
event at Glock headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. And it was
a big media event. I mean sometimes these media events
are ten to twenty people. This one was more than
(02:55):
eighty people.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
And a lot of.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
The gun me personalities that people probably know were there.
I mean like John Lovell and mister guns is in
Gear and some of the some of the folks who
are always covering this stuff both online and then print.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
And wherever else.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
But yeah, we got to see it. And this it
was funny going into it because there wasn't a whole
lot of information going in and I think some of
the people who had been invited but they didn't really
know what they were being invited for. It's just a
Glock product launch event. And I heard speculation of maybe
this is maybe they're introducing a twenty eleven, maybe they're
(03:34):
doing this, maybe they're doing that. But Glock has always
been a company that kind of they know what they do.
They do it well, they're they're not trying to, you know,
start making the stuff that is not their wheelhouse. So yeah,
I mean they introduced the Gen six, which I mean, surprise, surprise,
the number six comes after the number five. They had
(03:55):
Gens one, two, three, four, and five, and now they
have a Gen six.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Ye I know.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Right now, I said, if they really wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Surprise some people, they should have entered they should have
brought out a Gen seven and just thrown everybody for
a loop, just skipped over six.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But yeah, the folks from block from Austria going, I'm
sorry that I do not understand. Is that a joke? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I know. So just just to clarify because I was
looking at some of the comments on some of the
content online. We do. We did put out a video
about the Gen six some coverage of that and we'll
have more coming later. But so if you if you
want to see that, you can go to gun Talks, Facebook, YouTube, x, Instagram,
(04:40):
all those places. But people were saying, I've seen some
stuff online where people go so wait, now the Gen
six is replacing the V series because that was introduced
just a month or two ago, right, and I want
to help try to clarify from what I understand and
talking to the folks at Block is the VS series.
(05:01):
And this is Ryan Gresham talk and not necessarily Glock,
but my understanding and talking to them is the V
series is essentially it's they changed the Gen five. They
changed some of the backplate stuff because of the switch situation,
the illegal machine gun conversion kits, which obviously Glock has
(05:24):
nothing to do with. Glock is involved in like four
different lawsuits with that stuff. But so that's what that is.
I mean, it's a full line. It's you know, the
easy way to think about it is the Gen fives.
Now it's called the V series, and it's it's been
tweaked and it's a full lineup of sizes and calibers.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And haven't figured out that the V is a Roman
numeral five.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Wait a minute, what.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Figure? I know crazy, I had to look it up.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Well, how about that, we just cracked the code. So yeah,
they brought out the Gen six, which is something that
I think that has been in the works for a
really long time. And Glock said in their press conference
at this event, the Glock pistol. We're not changing the
Glock pistol. It is try and true. I mean, it
(06:17):
is super reliable, it's super safe, and it's a platform
the people know and love, which is all true now.
So it's kind of like people always want the new, new,
new new. It's like okay, but like if they completely
redesign an f one point fifty, people would be probably
pistolup off. Yeah, I don't want it to not be that.
(06:40):
So the gen stakes what they need to know about
it is essentially Block has done several things to the
gun to help it be more ergonomic, more shootable, keeping
up with a lot of the things that people wanted
on glocks for years and have been modifying themselves, which
makes a lot of sense. So some of the things
(07:03):
that they did on this gun. They has a flat
face trigger, which is the trend these days. It has
an extended beaver tail, which is noticeably nice on the block.
You you're going to be less likely to get slide by,
You're going to be it's going to able. You need
to get higher on the gun where you shoot it
(07:25):
in control.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
We were right all along there. They're doing a nineteen
eleven treatment on a block. That's what this.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Says, Right, They have an undercut on the trigger guard
to help you again get higher on the gun and
also possibly reduce the glock knuckle that if you shoot
a lot of glocks, you'll you'll, you know, you kind
of get this like callous or bump from where your
your fingers you grew up in there, so that's helpful.
(07:53):
They reduced the links of from the back of the
grip to the trigger, so the reach to the trigger.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Is a little bit shorter.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
This is can help some people with like medium to
small hands. Right, they change the it is obviously it's
optics ready. It's a different system. It is not the
it's not the CoA thing that they did with aim
Point last year, and it's not the glock MOS system.
It's a new system that it has three different They
(08:28):
call them plates, but it's a little bit of a misnomer.
You don't screw the plate into the slide and then
screw the optic into the plate. These these plates are
poliver and they act like a crushwasher. So all you're
doing you put the plate on so it fits your optic,
and then you put your optic on the gun. You
screw it in so it does release reduce one set
(08:49):
of screws. And one of the things that people it's
it's kind of like, it makes a lot of sense
to me. One of the things that's internal that you
won't give a sea, but they did, is because so
many guns are being run with optics on them, and
then you're having to cut guns for optics. When you
think about a glock and the design hasn't changed dramatically
(09:09):
over the years, it wasn't designed to put an.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Optic on it.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And when you start cutting into the slide, what's what's
down there below? When you start screwing screws in you.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Lot of real estate in there to have a screwed
depth in there. There's not a lot of purchase.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
So they redesigned some of the internals. And because what
was happening sometimes if people used the wrong screws and
they were too long, then they were starting to get
into the inner workings. Or if you use lots of
lock tight and it dripped into the internals, you know
what could go wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Then all of a.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Sudden, your gun's not extracting and there's something wrong with
the gun. Well, my gun together, Yeah, mister amster gunsmith,
you caused the problem. So they did a little bit
of internal changes to so you don't have that issue
anymore because it comes with two backstraps, it comes with
three mags, and right out of the gate, it's the
Glock seventeen, the Glock nineteen, and the Glock forty five,
(10:09):
not forty five ACP, but the Model forty five. Three
models ye all nine millimeter And people immediately say, well,
what about the ten and what about the baby blocks
and what about this net. They're going to be adding
to the line, but you have to start somewhere, and
they're starting with their three most popular models.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
They also have a feature on there. They call it
the gas pedal, and competitors have been using this for
a while. It's basically a thumb rest on the side
of the slide and it looks like just the haffectation
or something, but once you start shooting a gun that
has that, you realize there's actually a benefit to that.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yes, that's a good point. They did put a little
bit of a thumb rest on there, and just to clarify,
they actually removed some material from the side of the frame.
They didn't add a bump out onto the side. So
these guns, according to Glock, will fit or should fit
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all our most Gen five holsters.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Oh good.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
So it didn't change the shape of the gun. The
thumb rest or gas pedal, it's it's there, there's some texture,
there's a little bit of bump. I didn't It's not
like a dramatic gas pedal like you might find on
like an open gun that had like this big thumb rest.
I mean, it's a little bit there. It's it's helpful.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
That adds to it.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
But trying to not you know, change the shape of
the gun completely. It's it's not a dramatic thing. It's
just another little thing that helps help me.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
R Ran, Can you hold on our second. I need
to sell some soap here. We'll come back and we'll
you know, talk about this and some of the other
stuff you're doing now. Rains ready in gun talk. Okay, okay,
sounds good. All right, don't go far, will be right back.
We've got update fund block and also what's going on
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Speaker 4 (14:44):
Buddy, Okay, this is funny. Well on the air right now,
I'm getting texts that are flying in. Why hasn't glock
brought out the seble stack version of the forty three X.
Why hasn't that Glock done this?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Why?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Ryan, I mean, to your point is like patient's grasshopper.
We're going to get to this stuff, but we got
to bring them out one or two or three at
a time.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
It is so funny. I mean that's before I got
on the call with you. I was kind of just
looking at the comments, as I mentioned, and you want
it says, well, you know all that needs they still
have these plastic sites. Look, if you don't like the sites,
you know how many different versions of Glock sites there
are out there. After market, you slide out those, you
slide in the other ones.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
You got new sites in five minutes. You got new sites,
and you got your choice of you know, dozens or hundreds.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I don't know if you're right, you know, I mean
like they're gonna they put okay, we did some new sites,
and they come with these sites whatever, it's pick one.
And then half the people say, well I don't like
fiber optic sites. Well I don't like night sites. You
just put your sites on the gun and go to town.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah there's no there's something else here too, And people
so why don't they put the better sites on you go. Look,
if they have to spend call it thirty dollars more
a set of sites, then they've got to mark up
the gun six to ninety dollars and people will just
screen bloody murder if the price goes up like that.
So they they could give you a functional set of sights.
Now it's up to you to either learn to shoot
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up or go get something else doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, then they're going to explain about the
price because they put really good sites on the gun,
except half the people are mad about that, so you
know you can't win.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, no, exactly right. So all right, so we got
these new glock pistols and there I guess either out
and just I did want to make this one point
is originally this was embargo to come out on Monday tomorrow,
but we got the okay Glock said okay, it's out there.
People have leaked it, so they told us we're okay
to talk about it. Otherwise we would still be quiet
about it to honor our commitment to that. So I
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just want to let people know about that.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yeah, I mean, they sent an email to everybody who
attended the event to let them know. Okay, well it
was supposed to be Monday, but now it's leaked so
many places, and I mean I even got text messages
from Glock yesterday just confirming that we're cleared hot to
go ahead and talk about it.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Okay, all right, so I people should know. If they're not,
they need to follow you as far as all the
videos on YouTube and the other places where you have them.
You're getting products in all the time, and of course
you've got you know, first person defender and guns and
gear and other things you are doing, as well as
working with a lot of companies. I'm just thinking about
anything that's come through in the last couple or three months.
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You said, Now, that's kind of interesting. People might want
to know about that.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, we were messing around with the three three eight
arc cartridge. We got in a fax and rifle, kind
of a real lightweight ar that is, I mean, essentially
it's a pistol. It's a twelve and a half inch barrel,
very skeletonized and lightweight configuration. But playing around with the
three three eight are kind of Hornedy's and you know,
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forgive me if this isn't what somebody else thinks it is.
But it's kind of Horneredy's version of the eight six
Blackout that came out a few years back. But it's
pretty cool, and you have I think we had two
different loads for it. We had a one seventy five
grain supersonic and we had a three hundred and seven
grain sonic, and i'd say we did a video about it.
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Just one of the things is just making the point
that obviously this is not interchangeable when you when you
switch these loads, it's going to dramatically change your point
of impact. And just as an example, the one seventy
five the supersonic load cited in perfectly at one hundred yards.
Nice little group shot great. Then we had we put
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in the subs exact same hold and that was about
eleven and a half inches lower at one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Whow that a bunch.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah, So you've got to have to know if you're
going to be shooting those subsidics, you have to plan
for that and site in accordingly. So I shoot an
animal with it yet, but it's kind of an interesting cartridge.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
And I imagine that the subs sonic weather can on.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
It's mighty quiet, oh, very quiet, and I mean this
is already a short, stubby little cartridge, and we pulled
the bullets just for fun. That's three hundred and seven
green bullet is almost like two inches long. It's it's
like a.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Spear high BC on that one.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, very high. Yes, you know, I'll tell you one
of the weird little bullistic nerds thing because the faster
and you tell me if I'm right on this, the
faster the bullet's going, the faster it slows down. But
of course a subsonic you can only be at about
ten fifty one thousand and fifty feet per second. And
what's weird is even at several hundred yards around it
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starts out at going ten to fifty I mean at
three hundred yards, it may be going like nine to fifty.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Oh correct. And this is the secret sauce A lot
of people still don't understand. It's what makes the six
to five creed more work. And it's like this kind
of a man magic thing is you can start it
out slower and it is you'll call it twenty six hundred,
twenty seven hundred pet per second. I'm not real blazing.
But for the high PC bullet by the time it
gets to two fifty or three hundred yards or beyond,
it's carrying more energy than a lot of magnums did,
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even though they started out three or four hundred feet
per second faster.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, you haven't lost a whole lot. So yeah, that's
been kind of fun. Another one that we got in
was the loopholed rangefinder. And let me tell you what
this one's called, because I'm not good at remembering these names,
especially when they're named by an engineer. It's the loop
loopholed RX five thousand tbr W for wind.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Here's this.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I know it's one of these. Geez, come on, can
we please just name it like the super duper rangefinder?
So it ranges out the five thousand yards. It's an
eight power magnification, so it's kind of nice if you're
using it out west or some longer distances. One of
the really cool features is it's got bluetooth and it'll
talk to your phone and you can mark waypoints via
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on x or Google Maps, and so when you're on
a hill and you shoot an elk over there across
the way at four hundred yards, you can mark that
waypoint from where you're sitting. So when you go up
and down around the hill and you're like, wait, I
thought he was right here. No, the waypoint is marked.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's on your phone on the on X app, your
geolocation map, and you can just follow it in. That's amazing,
pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I mean, that's it's kind of wild to be able
to point your rangefinder somewhere with it, you know, five
thousand yards in the direction and say that's the point
I want to go to, or that's the point that
I saw that I last saw that deer at.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Wow, that is something. Hey, I'm out of time. As
we always do, we run out of time. You got
some more classes coming. I guess you'll be announcing those
maybe after the first of the year.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, we'll have some more classes. We'll be announcing them
and some fun events for for next year. So stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Okay, sounds good. Ryan Gresham from range Ready Studios Gun
Talk head Course, thank you, sir, appreciate your input on
the new clocks.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
You met all right, there you go. Hey, I took
some guns out to the range. I shot. I took
four new pistols out yesterday we shot. Yeah, it's some
fun there. Three of of my life one of them.
I'm a little undecided. I'll give you the details when
we come back. Eight six six Talk Gun. Give me
a call with your range report. We're back and we're
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still talking about guns. I'm Tom Gresh. If you want
to check it out, go over to X you know
the former Twitter thing. I am at gun Talk over
an X and I'm always posting messages and links to
stories and trying to keep people informed. And then sometimes
I throw things out there and hope that people understand sarcasm. Yeah,
they never do. They go crazy. It's just like, how
(22:59):
can you say something like that? It's sarcasm, but it
flies right above the heads of a lot of people.
But it's fun. If you get it, you'll enjoy all
the comments. So, yeah, I'm at gun Talk over on X.
We'll talk about these pistols. I took the rings just
a little bit. But first off, Gary called in online
three out of Atlanta and Gary, you had an experience
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with Delta Airlines.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Yes, Tom, I did. I've been flying recently from dangerous
city to dangerous city and I always travel with guns.
So and it's checked through the TSA appropriately. But when
you check in at the counter at Delta. Now they
put an additional tag on your luggage that says your
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luggage cannot go on the carousel belt anymore. You must
go to baggage Claim and claim it, and then they
require you to present your ID. And one time when
I did it, the ladies, now it's been a very
loud voice to everybody who was around. Oh, you want
the bag with the.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Gun in it?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
No, I want the bag with six guns in it? Lady.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yeah. And so then when they give you the bag,
they check your idea and then they give you the bag.
It's bound with zip ties, yep. And then you go, well,
thank you so much for securing it while it was
in transit. Where you remove the binding. Now, I'd like
to have access to my luggage. No, we won't remove it.
The only one that can remove it is the police.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Okay, all right, let me give you my take on that,
because yeah, I knew that Delta was doing this. American
puts a special steel me tag on it. Delta does
their own thing, and of course, as often as the case,
they will tell you things that are not true. And yes,
they're going to put the zip ties on there, and
then they'll tell you you can't remove that until you
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get off airport port property. That is not true.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
A friend of mine had that happen, and he had
he anticipated. He had a little set of diagonal cutters, uh,
tucked away in his carry on, not just carry on,
his check bag. He just reached in a zipper, pulled
those out, and snipped the zip tie off of his
gun case, right there in front of the lady. And
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she says, you can't do that.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
What I now got a big pair of toenail clippers
that I oh, there you go my carry on bag
and so far TSA hadn't said anything about the big
toenail clippers.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
No, no, no, let me tell you what he did.
He clipped it off. She said, you can't do that.
He says, call a cop. Just called her on it,
because if she called a cop coping on it, go
over and said, what are you talking about, lady, get
out of here. You know that they do want to
exercise their authority, and they often make up authority. I
get it that it's a pain, and if you've traveled
a lot, you already know it's different in every airport.
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Every airport has got a different system. Sometimes you just
check the bag and to throw it on the conveyor belt.
Some places they put a tag on it. Some places
they say you got to take it over there to TSA.
It's just different everywhere you.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Go, right, So, I mean, I know the obvious answer
is just not fly Delta anymore. But I didn't know
that because I think Delta setting themselves up for losses
because if they prevent you from getting in your luggage
and then you're accrosted in the parking garage because you
can get to your firearms.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now, they're not going to be liable for that. That's
it's again, it goes back to you. You got to say, Okay,
what do I need to have happen? What I want
is to have access to my gun as quickly as
I can. Now, I'm not taking my gun out of
my bag in the airport lobby there. I'm going to
take it to the rental car or to my car,
and then I'm going to gun up when I get there,
load up the bags and you know, put the gun
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in my holster and everything. Now I do that before
I leave the parking garage.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Well, I usually go to the bathroom and get in
a stall and open it in a stall.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Well, and you can do that, but you've got to
be careful because some states have marked the airports, the
major airports as gun free zones, and so you can't
automatically assume that you're legal doing that. Okay, so do
your homework as always. Look, I appreciate the call, sir,
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but yeah and yeah, Delta, what are you doing? And
American putting a tag on there that said, well, it
doesn't say firearm. It says yeah, it says like special handling,
which to everybody, they look at it and go, yeah,
that means it's a gun. The reason they don't put
firearm on it is because it's against the law for
the airlines to put a tag on your gun case
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it says firearm. There's actually a law that prevents common
carriers in the airlines are a common carrier from identifying
a package as containing a firearm. So just something for
you to be aware of. All right, here's a crazy story.
You may have seen this one. A guy from England
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is in Florida. He's visiting some friends and they've got
some private land and he goes out and shoots a
shotgun with him. You see the picture of him doing this.
He doesn't really know what he's doing. That's okay, he
didn't hold it well, but he takes somebody takes a
picture of him shoot a shotgun and he posted online.
Fast forward. He gets well. First, he gets a notice
(28:24):
from the authorities in the United Kingdom to say he
has been warned because the image might quote make people
feel or might make people feel bad. And then when
he gets to England, he gets arrested for posting a
picture online of him shooting a shotgun in Florida, and
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they try to come up with all sorts of things.
If you threaten people, you've done this and that. I
think by now, this is several weeks ago, they've kind
of backed away and figured out that they've really screw up.
But it does give you an example of what it's
like in England these days, where we know we're seeing
the stories they're arresting people for posting memes online because
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it would make someone feel bad, it might make somebody
feel unsafe, or it might be considered to be offensive.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Of course, the proper response to that is f you,
I don't care. People need to grow up and then
we have free speech, except they don't. Once again, pointing
out how incredible and incredibly valuable and precious are our
constitutional rights in the United States of America. We have
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the First Amendment, we have free speech, and how do
we protect our free speech with the Second Amendment? Because
if we didn't have a Second Amendment, there would be
people in the government here who do exactly what they're
doing in England. It is only the Second Amendment. And
let me be really specific about this, because I don't
(30:10):
want to dance around it and pretend it's not there
or be coy about it. The Second Amendment is about
crushing a tyrannical government in the United States of America.
That's what it's for. And yeah, you could say, oh,
you could be called up for active duty or whatever,
the militia, you know, it gets foreign invaders. Yeah, that's
(30:32):
not really what it's about. It's about the United States
citizens having control of their country and not letting it
be taken over by tyrannical bureaucrats who would otherwise frankly,
jail you and kill you, put you in jail for
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posting memes, put you in jail for having a legal gun,
which they've done in a lot of places. We had
door to door kicked indoors Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans,
taking all the guns. Mayor Ray Nagan said, there will
be no guns in here. Only the police will have
guns here. Absolutely illegal order, absolutely illegal actions by the
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police there, confiscating thousands of guns and then denying they
ever did it until we finally found the guns at
a warehouse after we sued Nagan personally as well as
suing the city. If you get you just get the
copy of the book The Great New Orleans Gun Grab.
It details that history as well. So, uh, oh, we've
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got a raiseport coming in here. Steve is in Omaha, Nebraska. Steve,
what you shooting? Man? Line five is Steve there?
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Im sorry, that's ok.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
You know what, A lot of people put me on mute.
I don't take it personally.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Here we go, I had some mute.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
My goodness, go ahead, all right?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
So, uh, we were we have an outer range here,
a bunch of indoor ranges, but uh, this one out
of range. I remember we were shooting late in the
day and of course, you know what the time change,
the sun goes down a lot earlier, and we were
shooting steel and paper, and well then the sun started.
You know twilight was happening. It's like, man, you know what,
(32:23):
we got these weaponount advins. Let's just turn them on
and start using it. My goodness, it was. It became
our new favorite training thing now. And so this is
the low light. It's just heaving out of range, you know,
this is the low light.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Uh, it's okay. We used to we get a lot
of dogs through these calls. It's all fine.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Yeah, so there yeah, So this is our new light
low light training session. And uh, my one my one
tip is be sure and take a tarp with you
if you're going to collect your brass because when it
hits the snow, it melts.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
All oh.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yes, you would high brass hits the snow and goes down.
You'll never collect your brass.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
Absolutely, So take a tarp and you can still move,
but you got to put your tarps in the right place.
There you go, you know, shoot and move and shooting
low light, Holy cow, this it's it changes everything.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, you know, having a light is good.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Slow light it's great.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It is that low light shooting and training is really interesting.
You know, I found it sound kind of weird. I
actually shot better sometimes in the low light situations. Because
you're getting away from a lot of the distractions. And
I found that I actually looked at my sights better
in low light than in the daylight. And then and
that's the meat problem. I get that, but it was
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just an interesting observation. Steve, Thank you for the call.
Appreciate that good range report. So I went to the
range yesterday with my friend Brad and good test of that.
I had four pistols from Smith and Wesson sent me
out of pistols. And I have kind of smallest hands
and Brad has big old hands, big old meat hook hands,
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and that works great because we can try different guns.
He really experienced top level shooter. And I found of
the four guns, I liked three of them a lot,
and one of them I was puzzled about, honestly. And
the MP medal MP two point zero medal I love,
always love the M and PS and the metal I
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like even better. The Performance Center M ANDP shield X
was terrific. Now we're not so good for Brad because
it has a smaller grip and he had a little
trouble with his big old hands on that one. Okay,
but we both shot it well. The surprise for both
of us was how much we liked the Bodyguard two
point zero. That's their little three eighty and it's a
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time little thing, but even with his big hands he
could shoot it. And that thing is a one whole
hole puncher. It is so accurate, just worked great. I mean,
I really really like the way it shoots, and of
course there's no recoil. You just pop up, up, up up.
You can really rip them off. The one that was
(35:20):
interesting and a little bit perplexing to me, and I'm thinking,
I know that smith has a reason for making it,
and it's a niche that I probably don't identify with.
And I couldn't quite figure it out. I mean, I
liked it and I shot it well, but it left
me scratching my head. Was the smith of Western CSX,
(35:42):
and that is a not a striker fired gun, but
it's a hammer fired gun. It's a microcompact three point
one to three point six inch barrel or slide and
shoots really well. It's got a good trigger. But I
just found myself thinking, huh, it's the same size and
everything as a lot of these striker fired guns, and
maybe it's the body could explain it to me because
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I'm not quite understanding why you would go to a
hammer fired gun as opposed to a striker fired gun.
And I don't. I didn't think the trigger was necessarily better,
and I think that used to be would say a
hammer fired gun has a better trigger pull. I think
(36:24):
the trigger pull on striker fired guns has gotten a
lot better to the point where and now, look, it's
not a nineteen eleven trigger because nothing, it's like a
nineteen eleven. It really isn't. But the striker fired guns
are really good, and if you can control the trigger,
you could shoot really well with striker gun. We were
(36:44):
putting up little pieces of tape on the target. We're
basically a two x two inch square, and we're shooting
them at ten yards, Yeah, two by two inch square,
shooting him at ten yards and hitting that two by
two inch square most of the time. And with all
the guns, even the little three eighty just wasn't a problem.
(37:08):
This was really fun. I liked it, so shot the
three nines and the three eighty. The MP three point
zero is a bigger gun, almost just about full size.
You call it a full size gun, and I'm okay
with that. I would carry that. In fact, I do
carry full sized guns because I've gone completely to outside
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the waistband holsters, not doing ibbs, but that the shield,
the M and P shield was really impressive and good trigger,
good performance. Just liked everything about it. I liked the
feel of the grip. But what was interesting was with
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Brad and me shooting the side by side, picking up
different guns. And he had an HK and he had
a nineteen eleven and oh we had Sigga nine thirty eight.
So we will shooting a lot of different guns and
seeing which ones fit. Now, one of the things we
did not do, I'll just tell you this up front.
We didn't do the swapping out of the backstraps. Probably
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could have done some customization of the feel of the
grips by doing that, but we just picked them up
out of the box with what they came and just
shot them. That way worked really well. Great fun just
going to the range and just it's been an hour
just banging away shooting, having a good old time. We
did an orientation at the gun club where we went to.
(38:33):
They're putting all their members old and new through an
orientation and that was good. Learned some things in discussion
with the club president and I want to talk about
that when I come back, because it's kind of about
the health of future of gun clubs and shooting ranges.
And you know, we talk about the squat analysis, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities,
(38:54):
and threats. There are a lot of threats for gun ranges,
for shooting ranges, and left me scratching my head and
wondering about shooters and gun owners and people who go
to ranges in terms of supporting them. And then what
are we going to do to make sure we have
these ranges up. We'll talk about when we come back.
Give me a call Tom Talk Gun is the number.
(39:15):
We'll be right back with gun Talking. Before I moved on,
I didn't want to make sure I got the name
right on that performance center M and P. It's called
the M and P shield x Carry com And it
is a nice pistol. Really really like that pistol. And look,
(39:38):
if you're one of those people that doesn't pay a
lot of attention online and look at the ads and
see what's going on with guns and gun prices, let
me give your heads up. There's something going on. Essentially,
it's kind of bad news in the gun world and
good news for you The bad news in the gun
industry is that sales are down, like way down, and
as a result, there are crazy deals out there. I'm
(39:59):
just kicking on the with the Western website. They've got
long gun holiday rebates, they've got savings for first responders
and for military veterans, and just all sorts of deals
from everybody. Right now, if you're possibly in the market
for a gun, there are some deals out there. They'll
(40:21):
knock your socks off. I mean, I'm seeing some rifles
will be listed at fifty percent off, So you might
want to spend a little time out there poking around.
All right, let me talk just for a second about
the gun club. So we're talking to the president of
this gun club and it's not an expensive place. It's
like seventy five dollars a year for membership unlimited shooting.
(40:41):
And he said, yeah, he says, but you know, we
know that houses are going to move in around us,
and we know we're going to end up eventually losing
our property here, and it's hard to get people to
spend any money here. And while he was talking, I'm
looking at this wonderful facility and he said, you know,
people just they don't want to spend any money I'm thinking,
I'm some reason I started thinking about golfers and golf courses.
(41:04):
And a golf course. You know, people will spend forty
bucks at a low, low level for a green fee,
one hundred and twenty bucks not unheard of, not unusual
at all, Spend quite a bit of money, Spend a
lot of money to belong to golf courses. What's the difference?
Speaker 8 (41:23):
You know?
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Not making a point, I'm really asking could we how
well could we protect and improve our shooting ranges? Frankly,
if we could raise our prices and spend more money.
And I know nobody wants to hear about higher prices
on anything. I get it. I don't want to spend
(41:43):
any more than I'm currently spending. At the same time,
I don't want to lose shooting ranges. I don't want
to lose the places where we go to exercise our
Second Amendment rights. And yet can I say this now?
I I can't say this without irritating people. It's going
to take people off. That's okay, I do that. Shooters
(42:07):
are some of the cheapest sobs I've ever run into.
I mean just are, And it's okay. To be froogal.
I get it, But at the same time, it's like, Okay,
you know, we're not going to have this place. If
we don't spend any money on it, we're not going
to maintain it. You know what, People take stuff out
(42:27):
to the shooting range, they shoot it up, they leave
it there, take cardboard boxes and shoot them and leave them there.
They're trash. You know you brought it out there. You
could take it back. There's not like somebody's going to
clean it up for you. There's nobody there to do that.
I don't know exactly what it is. I don't know
what the culture things going on here is, but I'm
(42:51):
just starting to kind of noodle this around and saying,
you know, is there I got to say what can
we do? But is there actually anything we could do
to get people say? Yeah, I'll pony up more. You know,
you'll have a nicer place if you spend more on it,
or is a gravel pit and a burm barrel? All
you need is that? All you want? Is that a
(43:14):
place where you want to take your date, your wife,
your kids to go. Would you like a better place?
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Now?
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I know there are definitely some higher end indoor ranges,
particularly in metropolitan areas. Just a kind of a noodle
of thought. I don't know, I haven't really developed it
a lot, but I was thinking about it as he
was talking. I was thinking man golf courses and shooting ranges.
That's an interesting compare and contrast situation. Just you know,
fuit for thought. All right, eight sixt' six Talk gun.
(43:45):
When we come back. We're be talking to an author
to really screwed up guns in one of his novels,
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