March 23, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Broadcasting live from Range Ready Studios in Louisiana, Tom talks with Ryan Gresham and Kevin Jarnagin about the new, 17th, season of Guns And Gear TV, and the trends in guns and shooting.
-- It sounds crazy, but there's an old technique of putting a piece of business card or rubber band in the barrel channel of a rifle to make it more accurate.
-- Who is making Remington guns now that the company went out of business?
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-- Broadcasting live from Range Ready Studios in Louisiana, Tom talks with Ryan Gresham and Kevin Jarnagin about the new, 17th, season of Guns And Gear TV, and the trends in guns and shooting.
-- It sounds crazy, but there's an old technique of putting a piece of business card or rubber band in the barrel channel of a rifle to make it more accurate.
-- Who is making Remington guns now that the company went out of business?
Gun Talk 03.23.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, deep
part of it. Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now, here's Tom Well.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresha. I'm glad that
you could be with us. We're going to do this
show whether people want me to or not. That's just
where it goes. Well, I'm down here at Range Ready
Studios at the Big HQ, headquarters of Gun Talk Media
and Louisiana, not far from New Orleans. Howl a bunch
of fun and we're in the studio right now where
the Ryan Gresham and Kevin Jonagan KJY. Hello, and I
(00:56):
just pulled you guys off the rage. You were shooting
out there shooting guns this morn.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Very early in the morning. We got started very quickly
with a long range gun.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Because this was the start of the seventeenth season of
Guns and Gear.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Right yep, Guns and Gear season seventeen, and I mean
that's our show. I mean, we used to call it
a TV show, but it is still on TV if
you guys still want remember those things show, But it's
an everywhere show.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
That's where we are, right.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
So it's seventeen seasons and we cover what are the
hot things in the world of guns, for shooters, for hunters,
for anything under the sun?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, so I like guns, m optics, accessories, pretty much
anything it has to do with guns and shooting. You'll
talk about it.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
And we kicked off season seventeen, which the new episodes
start in July, so you know, quarter three, quarter four
of the year. So we're kind of this is the
pre production stuff we're filming. We're at a team, we're
getting ready and the new episodes come out then.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So I walked out there and you're all hunkered down
on this bench this morning, and I'm looking and thinking,
just how much does that rifle?
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Way?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Anyway?
Speaker 8 (02:07):
Add that rifle weight and it's a Ruger Precision rifle
and it's their brand new one and six gt.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It weighs nineteen six twenty pounds.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Did you strap your scuba weight? Helt onto it. How
do you get this thing up to almost twenty pounds.
Speaker 8 (02:24):
Well, it's it's it's a factory rifle. So that's what
the beautiful thing in these precision guys. They want to
shoot a factory class gun and want to be heavy
on the Precision rifles series so they can be in
that factory division. And so to get that, you've got
to include weights.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So they have weights that you can add up to
two point eight pounds to the gun. And if someone's listening,
they go, why would you want the gun to be heavy?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It reduces recoil.
Speaker 8 (02:49):
Yeah, because you at longer distances you want to basically
be a spotter for yourself and call your shot.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You want to be able to see the hits and
misses through the scope. So you need a rifle that
doesn't move when you shoot it. So the way you
get that is a combination of having lighter recoiling cartridges
and having a really heavy gun that no one in
his right mind whatever carry around hog with.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
That is correct, yep, but yeah, I mean that way.
It's kind of crazy. If someone's a deer hunter, they're
not used to this concept. But a rifle like that,
you can shoot a target at five hundred, six hundred,
eight hundred yards and just watch it through the scope
and watch your hit make impact or hit the dirt
behind it, and then make an adjustment.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And we're not talking about four power scope either.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
Oh no, this is a five to twenty five is
what we had on it. I think it was a
right on, right on.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, well you'll think about all right, seventeen seasons of
guns and gear differences in cartridges and rifles and optics
from seventeen years ago and now.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Oh my gosh, three to nine was the standard.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's talk about the rifle we
were just talking about. If you go back seventeen years
and new rifles were introduced, new bolt guns were introduced,
typically the new bolt gun would have a three to
nine power scope on it. Maybe if you want to
go crazy, it's it goes up to twelve power and
it's available in any caliber you want, as long as
(04:13):
it's three oh eight two forty three six. And then
the seven long actions yeah, yep, thirty out six two seventy.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Now we have all these new cartridges. In fact, some
of them are not even new anymore. I mean six
five createpars, not even a new cartridge.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Now, yeah, that one's not new anymore.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
But but like the six GT that's kind of a
specialty one.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I mean it is.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
It definitely is from that PRS NRL Hunter lineage, where
that people are wanting to shoot longer bullets.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
It's not necessarily faster. It's not like super.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Super fast trying to get the high b C.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
You want to get the high BC. That way you
have less wind drift and uh and less recoil because
we're shooting you know what, one hundred and five grain
bullets something like that.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
You typically one hundred and eight, you know, something like
that is what I like out of the six out
of the six gg yep, right, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So I mean the other part of it is some
of these competition cartridges have turned out to be really
good hunting cartridges as well.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
Yes, and will I do like that aspect is there's
a big crossover.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So inn NRL Hunter matches.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
Typically what you'll see is a six five tree more
which makes a great you know, white toe. I mean,
I've seen guys take grizzly bears with them. I know
that'll upset the apple cart right there. But don't we
always talk about like whether it was seventeen years ago
or today, shot placement.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Same thing always has been, right, good bullets and shot placement.
We have really good bullets. Now we have a lot
of high BC bullets VLD bullets that really the reality
is they start to shine past four hundred yards. After
four hundred yards, they really don't make much difference.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Now, I'll tell you the other thing, just thinking about
changes over the past seventeen years carry guns.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
So carry guns.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Seventeen years ago, you either had something that was pretty
small and easy to carry, that was going to be
a single stack gun. It's it's six nine, maybe seven
or eight rounds of nine milimeter, or you had a
double stack gun which held ten rounds of forty yep,
(06:20):
and it was kind of fat, right, And now we've
got the capacity has changed, and of course a lot
of people running optics on their guns.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, I mean you think about the P three sixty
five hell cat, you know, I mean, on and on,
everybody's got one. Now this micro compact double stack nine
where you got twelve to seventeen to one hundred and
forty two rounds in your gun, whatever.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It happened to be.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That actually, in fact is carryable.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Right right, Yeah, and yeah that's true. You a three
sixty five or a hell Cat or the hk CC nine.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
It holds twelve rounds.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
What we thought about if you know, seventeen years ago, like,
oh this is a twelve round gun.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Oh okay, got it.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
It's a double stack, fat, kind of large, you know.
Not I would say it's a medium sized gun. Now,
a twelve round carry gun is a smaller.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It can be real and you get a lot of gun.
Every time I come down here, I like to wander
through and say, what do you got in here? You go,
We've got new cool stuff, and it just kind of flows.
Are we allowed to talk about the event you're gonna
be doing here for too long? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
We could talk about it.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Yeah, we're one of the one of the hot things
that that we've been talking about quite a bit of
it the last couple of years are lever actions. Lever
action rifles, and so we'll you'll be hearing a bunch
more about this, but we're doing lever Fest media event.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
But Ryan, seventeen years ago we talked about lever guns too,
So that's actually actually seventeen years ago.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
That one's not really new.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They're almost coming back in vogue.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Look at the lever guns we have now. We didn't
have these guns seventeen years ago.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Yeah, that's it's been fun.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So we'll be shooting a bunch of lever guns with suppressors.
With suppressors, that's what that's different.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's weird and different and amazing the effect of with
that closed reach. You know, if you have a subsign,
I mean you put a thirty eight Special or something
like that, or forty five Colt and you put a
can on there.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It's quiet. It's really quiet.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
I was out there today just today shooting the Antioakley.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
So the mirror at the of the gun with the
little savage revel, little twenty.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Two levels work.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
Oh my gosh, you guys both have to try that,
because it is way more difficult. Like I give props
to Antioakley because ge she she killed it.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
See Chris Serno said, Oh, it's not that hard. You
could like far Like.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Chris Serna, everything is backwards because you're when you're looking
at in the mirror. Sure you're sitting there going, well,
if I moved my body this way, the sites go
the opposite way. So it's it's really hard to line
up the sites and really get it. And he was
sitting there doing it two shots in eight seconds. I
couldn't do that in eight minutes. I mean it was
it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's pretty good at that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
He has a he has a gift.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
He's good at the shooting.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, that shooting thing exactly sor right. So you're gonna
have the lever Fest and then you got like tons
of new guns and new optics and things you're gonna
be looking at for this year of guns. Here, by
the way, where does Guns in Gear air where they
can see it?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It airs, let's see July through whatever, July, June, August, July, August, September.
It airs on the Outdoor channel, and then it airs
on Sportsman Channel after that, and and then of course
online you can find it, you know, gun talks channels
on Facebook, YouTube, Roku, all the socials socials.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Okay, so do you have any idea of what's going
to be showing up this year, because I mean, you
get good stuff. It just kind of flows in.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
We're starting to get some stuff in now.
Speaker 8 (09:59):
As far as like optics and what we're shooting right now.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Everything from Mepro Light.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
It's got a new MVO that is that is is
different for them because typically they're not, you know, a
magnified optic company.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
So that's really cool. And then Eotech anything, that little
bignything over there, Eotech.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Three to nine scope is unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Yeah, six point eight inches, but they took a step
back in time seventeen years ago and brought out a
three to nine.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But it's little, but it's little. It's tiny and lightweight.
And then it comes with the mount attached permanently attached
to the scope.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yes, a mini acog mount, so it just screws right
onto your pickrail.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
It's very cool.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
So is that the direction we're headed is is stuff's
already done for you and it's just you attach and go.
Gotta hope is that what it's going to I mean,
it seems like it otherwise.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I mean, and you know, mounting a scope should be easy,
but sometimes it just becomes a real production. Oh yeah,
and now people bring out tools. You were just handing
me tools, yes, I said, but you got to try
this new thing from Vortex.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
So Ryan, you're going to appreciate this because Tom's in Idaho,
right and so he rarely gets to see the cool
stuff that comes here.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The news just doesn't get all the way time it does.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
It it probably stops saying.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Can we're still working on getting sunlight.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
So he's sitting there and I just got a box
in from Vortex and I'm like, oh, I really want
to keep this for myself, but Tom's here and he
needs to see this. And it's the pro tor wrench
that they just launched and the pro Leveling kit, which
it is single hand used, the little level and it
attaches to any pickrail.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
It's so simple, but it's so handy.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, it's so simple. It's brilliant, Yeah, because you know
sometimes it's really hard to make things that are simple.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yes, it really is.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
And it's one of those things that it's like, why
didn't I think of that? It have been so handy,
and it's it's very slim line, so so when you're
out in the field and you've already leveled your scope,
it can double as a level in the field.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
So just leave it attached to your rail.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And we should point out if you're shooting inside a
two hundred three hundre yards, level doesn't really matter a lot, right,
the further out you get. If your gun is canted
left or right, it throws your bullet impact off left
or right, sometimes quite significantly.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yes, yeah, and well and also like mounting the scope
level is important to.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Never have done. That's just me.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
That looks good, I think.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I honestly, we're just gonna go ahead and tail some
tell some family secrets. I think kJ has one leg
that's shorter than the other. Yes, because when he does
a quickie like I threw that on there to film with. Yeah,
I'm always cocking my head a little bit to one side.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I'm like, you think that's straight, you think it's perfect.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, sometimes good enough really is. And that's the
case when it comes to this segment. Because we're now
out of times that fast, so you can check out
the new season Guns of Gear. Also, you got all
the other videos, I mean literally thousands of videos, including oh,
before we go, got to talk about the one you
(13:13):
showed me yesterday.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Well, it's not out yet, not out yet, but do
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Speaker 3 (13:40):
You want about the new video, like this new video
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Speaker 5 (13:47):
Can I say that, yes, because I just it's that's
that is not hyperbole, that's just accurate.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Sometimes you go, Okay, I can't believe they did that.
I gotta go see that again. So there you go.
All right, we gotta go, guys, Thank you so much.
You need to get back out to the range and work. Yeap,
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Speaker 3 (16:16):
Hi, I'm Kim Roady from California. Welcome back to gun Talk,
the place where we celebrate all things shooting, hunting, and
the Second Amendment. Me that would be six time Olympics
shooter Kim Roady. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. If
you want to join us, well, we'll just open the
gates right now. You can jump right in. The number
is Tom Talk Gun. That's don't even bother with the numbers,
(16:40):
just Tom Talkgun. We'll get you in here and we
are open lines. If there's something you want to talk about,
you get to determine the subject matter. Okay. During the
break here, Jim was asking me. He says, you know,
does Inbye make a revolver for nine millimeter luger cartridges
using the full moon clips? Absolutely? There are several out there.
(17:01):
People would say why Well, I would probably say why to,
but the correct answer is always why not? Uh. You know,
if you've got a lot of nine millimeter ammo, you
can sort of use that in revolver. If if you
were in a country where that was the only animal
ammo available, you could do that. There's also an advantage
(17:26):
in speedloading. When you have a full moon clip. You
can dump out all the rounds in the revolver and
then dump in all the rounds from the revolver. Could
be depending on your level of practice and your skill level,
could be faster than using a speedloader for your revolver.
So there are different pistol caliber cartridges, well not rimmed,
(17:53):
I guess the rimless cartridges available in revolvers in using
the full moon clips. Also, of course there are some
you could actually use rimed cartridges thirty eight, three, fifty
seven and of course the forty five ACP. There are
revolvers made for that as well. Do you have one
of those question is why? What do you do with it?
(18:15):
And what's the advantage or disadvantage of having that? Also?
I am here at Range Ready Studios down here in Louisiana,
and next week I'm going to take the class that
we're doing with the Jacob Gray folks with their high
end double stack nineteen eleven nine milimeters pistol, and I
got to shoot one a few days ago, just ran
(18:36):
a couple of mags through it. Actually ran a box
of fifty rounds through it, kind of getting the feel
of it. I don't really have much experience with the
double stack. I have a lot of experience with nineteen eleven's.
I'll give you my initial impressions about that and just
a bit, and then it'll be interesting to see after
two full days of instruction and practice if my initial
(18:57):
impressions change, we'll talk about that. It's one of those Yeah,
I like it, but so I have some thoughts on that.
I'll share that just a bit. If you want to
be a part of this eight sixty six talk. Gun
Brendan called in out of Newmarket, New Hampshire. Hein't Brendan,
you're on gun Talk. You got a range report for us?
Speaker 14 (19:17):
I do got a range report and guess what I found.
I found a heritage rough Rider with a sixteen inch barrel,
which means, as you know, I can put a stock
on the thing. I really want it to go.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 14 (19:31):
And well I shot it today. I don't have a
stock for it yet, but it's something I'm looking into.
But I shot it today. That thing shoots so flat.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh yeah, it's sixteen inch barrel. I mean, you got
so much way hang it out there. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 14 (19:48):
The guy I bought it from said, if you can't
hit you the target that you're aiming at, you just
can't shoot, period. And I can certainly attest to that.
Today I was shooting twenty two win mag out of there,
and that it was just a lot of fun. It
looks like the Joker gun from Batman.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, okay, Brandon talked me through the thought process from
the initial Well that's interesting. How do you get from
that to sure, I'll buy that?
Speaker 14 (20:17):
So I actually went to the gun store yesterday just
to buy a red dot for my conceal carry pistol.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That's how it.
Speaker 14 (20:28):
And they didn't have the red dot that they wanted there.
They said to go online and get it because they
have it on their website. But I said to the guy,
I'm like, all right, well, do you have any guns
that are just fun? Stupid ridiculous. And he's like, yeah,
what's your range. I'm like, oh, getting you know, maybe
like one fifty to three hundred mac just total range
gun nothing, And he pulls out this. I'm just like,
just here's my license, here's my card, go running.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That looks stupid enough, I'll buy it.
Speaker 14 (20:54):
It was so stupid the entire time I looked at it.
I just couldn't help myself but ask just how ridiculous
it looks. But it was so much fun to shoot today.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
At the range, you know, Brendan, I think it's one
of the things that sometimes people on the internet forget
because they say, well, you know that has no practical use,
or you know, the two eighties not as good as
this and that and the other, and you go there, Well,
you know, it's okay because we just get them because
they're fun. You know what. We're going to rune out
of time, Brendan Taylor another time we'll talk about the
force reset trigger. I'm not gonna be able to get
(21:24):
you in on this one, and I apologize for that,
but we're just flat out of time. But I do
appreciate the call and the ranger board A sixteen inch
barrel revolver in twenty two magnum. Yeah, that's like no
recoil at all, hanging it out. The other thing is
when you get thank you for the call. It's kind
of like these longer barrel lever action rifles. You get
one with a twenty four inch heavy barrel out there,
(21:45):
and you got that on your shoulder and you're shooting
off hand and it just doesn't move because there's so
much weight out there. It doesn't wobble. It's almost like
it's just hanging by gyroscope out there. It's pretty crazy.
So look, I get it, go into the store and say, hey,
what do you got. That's weird and different. I got
money to spend and it's burning a hole in my pocket.
(22:06):
No one ever, Well, okay, yes it does happen to us.
What did you buy when you bought something stupid? Give
me a call at Tom Talk guy. All right, just
got a range report from Clayton up in the Streeport area,
(22:26):
he says, heading out to the range to continue our
cattle Parish four h small bore practice. We are getting
ready for the state competition next month. I want to
encourage adults to take the youth out and teach them
to shoot safely or just take a new shooter out
to the range. Hey Clayton, appreciate what you're doing. Appreciate
the work with four h and yes, a big out
(22:48):
of boy to everybody who takes youngsters out and teaches
them safe gun handling. Now here's one from the state
of Tennessee, the Noya Group n IOA, which is Rob Noya,
good guy down in Australia. He bought Barrett. You know,
the people who make the big fifty caliber guns. Oh,
several years ago and people say, oh man, it's a
foreign company and they own Barrett. What I kept saying,
(23:10):
don't worry about it. I know Rob, he's a good guy. Well,
they just announced, working with Tennessee, a new expansion seventy
six point four million dollar campus style industrial precinct to
be known as the Barrett Manufacturing and Technology Campus. They're
gonna be designing, developing, manufacturing, testing, sustaining and distributing Barrett's
(23:32):
expanding range of world class products that released this one
hundred and seventy acres. They're gonna be making, of course,
a lot of military stuff, but also expanding the number
and types of commercial firearms. That is, those are guns
for you and me, Saveyian. So Barrett is on the
roll and expanding and doing good things there in Tennessee.
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That's really good to hear. All Right, Going to the
phones right now, Line one, Roberts with us out of Wasilla.
A last guy, Robert, you're on guntalk. What are you
looking at?
Speaker 12 (24:03):
Well, I'm under the understanding that Remington is now being
made by Ruger.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Nope, that's incorrect.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
Nope, nope, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's okay. That's all you're going And which question? Keeping up? Please?
Speaker 12 (24:17):
Okay? The question is why don't they bring back a
fantastic cartridge called the six milimeter Remington.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, because it's dead. It's the chances of bringing back
the sixth milimeters Rimington are like bringing back the edzel car.
It it got wiped out. It's gone. I mean, I
love the sixth milimeters Ramiton. It's actually a better cartridge
than the two forty three. Shoot the same bullets, not
one hundred feet per second fastor but it's never coming back.
The two forty three completely wiped it out. Rimington screwed
it up when they brought it out, they chambered it
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with a slower twist rate, they had a ninety green
bullet instead of one hundred grain bullet. They saw it
as a varmic cartridge. And then when the two forty
three came along with a one in ten twist rate
and one hundred grain b and it was a multi
use caliber. Use it for environments and also for deer.
It completely owned the territory. And now you got six
(25:09):
milimeter creed More, which maybe even better than both of
them put together. I do want to go back to
your initial thought though about Remington and Ruger. Here's what happened.
Remington broke up. It broke up. All the different companies
that had Remenden had purchased. Ruger ended up buying Marlin
from Remington. And that may be where the confusion comes in,
because so Marlin's are being made by Remington. But there
(25:32):
is a company called rim Arms r E M A
r MS, and you got Rimarms dot com and you
can see you remonton seven hundreds and their shotguns and
the guns that were being made by Remington are now
being made by rim Arms. So that's what's going on there.
Speaker 12 (25:47):
I don't know if that helps, yes, sir, well, thank you. No,
that was just a question, and the other one is
would be why isn't anybody making a bolt action two
twenty three that likes to shoot the fifty five bullets
with a one in twelve twist Uh?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, simply because you can shoot. You can have a
little bit faster twist rate and take care of the
longer bullets and it'll still shoot fit five grain bullets
really well. One in ten works really well now when
you go to the one in seven, And I understand
what you're saying, and that twist rate is really designed
for the sixty eight seventy seven grain bullets, longer range bullets.
(26:25):
I mean, I'm with you. I've got a couple of
one and twelve twist rate two two threes and they
work just fine with bullets really up to sixty sixty
two grains. But the interest, I mean, and look, here's
the thing, Robert, you and I are probably thinking the
same thing. But the interest right now is in long
range shooting. That's the deal. And for long range and
(26:47):
shooting beyond four hundred yards, you really do need these
longer bullets, these higher ballistic coefficient bullets, and to get
those to shoe, well, you got to have a faster
twist rate. That's just the world where it in. But
it doesn't mean that we can't find one and twist
rate two, two threes or frankly, you can always have
something rebarreled and you have whatever twist rate you want.
(27:09):
I appreciate the cost there, Thank you. Speaking of barrels,
I keep being amazed to people who online are asking questions.
You know, well, you know if you do that, it's
gonna shoot at your barrel. You're gonna shoot at your barrel.
You know, you need to do these things and shoot
less so you don't shoot out your barrel. That's like
saying I'm gonna get me a really cool car, but
I'm not gonna drive it much so I don't wear
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out my tires. Barrels are consumables, just like tires. The
reality is, unless you shooting in a really hot magnum,
it's going to take you five to ten thousand rounds
to shoot out your barrel. Three h eight two two
three probably gonna take you five to ten thousand rounds
to shoot it out to start wearing it out. That's
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a lot of shooting. And you know what if you
do shoot five or ten thousand rounds and you start
to lose accuracy, and your built your barrel for four
hundred dollars or so. You can get a new barrel,
you can get it attached to your gun. You can
change the twist rate, you can change the caliber, you
can do a lot of different things by swapping out
the barrels. It's become pretty common people do that. But
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I've always amazed at how many people don't know or
don't think about the ability to change the barrel out
on your bolt action gun. Clearly you can do it
on your ars. That's a piece of cake, nothing to that.
But even on your bolt action rifles, it's not a
big deal to swap out the barrel. Or here's a
different way to go. Say you got a call it
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a thirty out six and you think the barrel shot
out chances, sorry, it just needs cleaning. But that's a
whole different issue. Okay, you can always have a reboard
to a larger diameter bullet, go to a three thirty
eight out six something like that, and now you have
basically breathed new life into your old barrel. But the
you know, really, why don't you just rebarrel it? And
(28:56):
at that point, you can say, well, I'm going to
go to a six PRC or a seven PRC or
one of the new calibers. I can change calibers. I
can do whatever I want. Or if I just really
like my old two seventy, I want to keep shooting it,
then rebarrel it to a two seventy and keep on trucking.
So rebarreling is viable. Easy. Any gunsmith can do that
(29:17):
for you. Think of barrels as consumables the way you
think of tires. Drive your car a lot, shoot your
gun a lot, and replace what wears out fair enough?
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Speaker 3 (32:00):
Look at all the what's new stuff. One of the
things that's fun when I come down here to arrange
Ready studios down in Louisiana, and that's been a couple
of weeks here and we're doing some work and we'll
shoot a little video. We've got a couple of new
guns we're gonna bring in this week and do some
video on some things we can't talk about quite yet.
I mean, we get a lot of things actually that
we can't talk about yet because we get the advance
from a lot of manufacturers. But one that we can
(32:22):
talk about. It was just announced. We knew it was common,
everybody knew. Everybody knew it was coming from Smith and
West and they call it the FPC series and this
is in it's their pistol calor carbing. It's a car
being that takes Sho's pistol rounds okay, and they've had
it for nine milimeter and this is essentially the ten
(32:45):
milimeter M and P and a carbing version with a
folding stock. It is so cool. And you know I've
been talking about Ruger has one that's very similar to this,
and it's awesome and this is just as awesome. Think
about this. Think about a ten milimeter carbing, So you've
got a magazine that will hold it fifteen rounds something
(33:09):
like that. It's twelve to fifteen. And in the case
of the Smith and wesson actually in the stock, you
can stick two other magazines in there, so you've got
three magazines walking around with this thing. Now you go
to a sixteen inch barrel instead of a four or
five inch barrel in your pistol, you're gonna pick up
three or four hundred additional feet per second velocity, a
(33:30):
lot of velocity that gives you a lot of energy,
that gives you a flatter shooting rig. You're gonna be
hitting stuff hard at one hundred yards with that. This
may be kind of an ultimate truck gun do everything
whatever it is kind of gun self defense, home defense.
I would say everything from about two yards to one
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hundred and twenty five yards can probably take care of
that with a carbing and ten milimeter And you got
a bunch of ambo with it, and it's really fun
and they don't recoil much at all because you've got
a carbing length. Of course, you can fold that stock
up and it's convenient to carry around throwing a backpack
when you're hiking out the woods and pull it out
(34:13):
when if you need it or want to do some shooting.
Just I mean, it's fun, it really is. They're just
fun to shoot. But with a ten milimeter car being
you now have a really good protection rig from two
to four legged critters. So just look at that and think, man,
that that's pretty sweet. Alesko grab Walt out of Texas
(34:36):
Online five Walt, you've made it on a gun talk.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (34:39):
Sir?
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Well, sir, I've got a Ruger M seventy seven and
three thirty eight win mag It's my elk rifle, and
my cold war shots here lately have been going high
right at three hundred yards about three inches. My subsequent
shots are on the money. Is there anything I can
(35:02):
do to get that cold bar shot zeroed in? I've
gone with dirty bores, clean bores, you name it. We
got it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Uh, that was gonna be My first question is you know,
are we talking about right after we cleaned it? For
those who don't know, it's not unusual after you clean
your rifle for the first shot to go one direction.
Everything after that, you know, is a little bit further
off and that's why we like to shoot it and
not go out with a freshly cleaned barrel when we
go out. But you've got that figured out now, you
say it's let me make sure I understand three inches
(35:35):
off at three hundred yards, right, go.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Three inches off at one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
One hundred yards. Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
It's driving me crazy. I'm an elk hunter. And of
course in Montana, Idaho or Utah, my uh my, my
cold war shot, it may be eight or ten days old.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, that's the one. I'm gonna make a suggestion. I'm
just I'm spitballing here now, Okay, So it just gets
me to try. Have you tried to jesting the torque
on the action screws on that, I mean, tighten them
or loosen them a little bit?
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yes, sir, I certainly have. I followed all the stuff
that Ruger recommended, and I've got the torchs just right
as far as I know, and I'm just kind of
throwing the hands in the air. I love the three
eight one mag forever. That is driving me crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Okay. I got one other thing to try, and this
is going to sound completely goofy okay, but it might
you never know, I've seen it work if you will
take the action out of the stock and take if
you can find a business card or a piece of
cardboard like that, and take one layer of that, just
kind of small piece and lay it up about three
(36:55):
inches two to three inches back from the end of
the forum from the and put it in the barrel
channel and then put the action back in and screw
it in so that you're putting positive pressure up on
the barrel with that little shim of cardboard in there.
I've also seen it done with a rubber band sometimes
(37:16):
that makes things settle in. And you know, it's about
as cheap as it can get in terms of trying
to tune something up.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Well, that sounds great. I've had a glass better than
free floated. I've done adop everything I.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Can think of.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
You need some of that magic accurizing sauce to pour
over it.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
Yeah, I'm using ketchup and hard post.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
As long as you got good old crystal hot sauce
for Louisiana, you're probably okay. Seriously, try it. I mean
it sounds goofyes, all get out, and I get it.
You're already glass beded. You've done all the right stuff.
But you might just try that. Now, let me ask
you this, after the first shot, do you get good
groups with like two through four shots outstanding?
Speaker 7 (38:00):
I'm punching just about the same holes. That's probably a
half inch out of one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
We know what this means, don't you. What's that You
got to fire a warning shot before you shoot at them.
Speaker 12 (38:14):
I just say this, but usually I do.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
War Oh my gosh, Well, look, try that goofy idea
of a little upward pressure on the barrel and let
me know how it works out.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Okay, I appreciate it, Thank you very much, sir begs Walt.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Appreciate that three thirty eight win meg. I love that
I have shot critters from one hundred pounds to three
thousand pounds with a three thirty eight wind meg. It
just works. The key is using good bullets and of course,
as always, putting them in the right place, and learning
to master a little bit more recoil, which you're going
(38:53):
to get with a big caliber like that. It is fun, though.
Three thirty eight just flat works. We'll be right back
with more gun talk. All right, Let's go straight to
the phone. Steve's with us in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Steve, you're
(39:16):
on gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 17 (39:19):
Hell, Lisa, how you doing great? I got I got
to listen to you well right before the shot show,
and I'm thinking of a new three fifty seven and
I and you said there's some things coming out. If
you can hold off, you could talk about it then,
But then you went to the shot show and then
I haven't had a chance to listen.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
To Okay, uh, more than likely what I was talking about.
And it was announced that Shot show. It's out now
and just now making its way two gun stores. Is
a new Smith and Wesson three fifty seven magnum. It's
a great revolver, four inch revolver. It's the Mountain Gun series,
but this is not in the big inframe style. It
(40:03):
is a an L frame, a smaller and it's got
some really nice features. And Smith and Wesson did it
in conjunction with the folks from Lipsy's. If you go
to Ellpsey's l I. P. S. E. Y S. Lipses
dot com and put in Mountain Gun or Frankie's, put
in Smith and Weston Mountain Gun or Lipsey's Mountain Gun
in search, you'll find it. It's a delightful new revolver.
Speaker 17 (40:28):
Well, that's good because none of the smiths fit me.
I'm five to six and they just hit me wrong
when they go off. And that's the I want to
try that one.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
When you say they hit you wrong, it's it. They
don't fit your hand.
Speaker 14 (40:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (40:43):
When I squeezed, they they just my hand in the ergonomics,
isn't you know?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
It's interesting you say that because this has special grips
called the Bear Hug grips that Bobby Tyler put together
from Tyler Gunworks, special grips that are supposed to be
super comfortable. I've shot it a little bit, not a lot.
I like the feel of it. The problem is you
may have trouble getting your hands I want at a
(41:12):
gun store because these are in short supply and people
are buying them up. But I kind of think you
would like it. And the other thing is if you
put an order in for one and you got to
the store and said, Okay, I really don't like that,
the store would say, not a problem, because we've got
ten people behind you that will buy it. So I
don't think that's gonna be an issue for you.
Speaker 17 (41:30):
Well, good, yeah, time for one quick question.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
You bet quiet.
Speaker 17 (41:36):
I'm also wanting a twenty two WMR automatic rifle man.
Sometimes you're looking at at something over two thousand, but
I'm just wanting it for evening raccoon control and things
like that. Right, So do you have a recommendation.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, I tell you what I'm gonna recommend. Just go
to gunbroker and put intweenty two Magnum Semiauto and see
what pops up and what kind of price you can get.
Because you're not looking to spend a ton of money
and buying you a used gun, I think might be
the way to go. I'd go to gun broker and
just see what looks interesting to you.
Speaker 17 (42:19):
Well, the water Maker's next month.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Well, if you can get to the water Maker in Tulsa, man,
you got it made, because that is as good as
it gets. That's the biggest gun show in the world
and everything is. Have you been to the Watermaker show
before I live? Well, no, you're right there in Tulsa. Yeah,
but you've been at the show?
Speaker 12 (42:39):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 14 (42:39):
I usually go at least to.
Speaker 17 (42:41):
At least one in a year to happen in the fall.
But in the fall I'm hunting.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
So I don't go there, go to the Spring show.
Take a water cash, but don't take more than you
want to spend, because when you go to that show,
money just jumps out of your pocket and ends up
in somebody else's hands. But that's okay because you'll come
away smiling because you'll have a gun or two or
three or four or five in your hands when you
walk out. So there you go, Steve, I think you
have solved the problem, sir. Thank you for your call.
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Anybody else, if you have never been to the Tulsa
Gun Show, the Winemaker show in Tulsa, it's unbelievable. I mean,
it really is hard to describe what you see there
and cool stuff, but it is one of those deals.
If you make an off runt, you better have the
cash in your pocket. I mean seriously, because people do
work on an honor system there, and if you're trying
(43:26):
to bluff people, you'll get called out. You'll get found out. Hey,
when we come back, we just failed on a second
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresha. I'm glad that
you could be with us. We're going to do this
show whether people want me to or not. That's just
where it goes. Well, I'm down here at Range Ready
Studios at the Big HQ, headquarters of Gun Talk Media
and Louisiana, not far from New Orleans. Howl a bunch
of fun and we're in the studio right now where
the Ryan Gresham and Kevin Jonagan KJY. Hello, and I
(00:56):
just pulled you guys off the rage. You were shooting
out there shooting guns this morn.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Very early in the morning. We got started very quickly
with a long range gun.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Because this was the start of the seventeenth season of
Guns and Gear.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Right yep, Guns and Gear season seventeen, and I mean
that's our show. I mean, we used to call it
a TV show, but it is still on TV if
you guys still want remember those things show, But it's
an everywhere show.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
That's where we are, right.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
So it's seventeen seasons and we cover what are the
hot things in the world of guns, for shooters, for hunters,
for anything under the sun?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, so I like guns, m optics, accessories, pretty much
anything it has to do with guns and shooting. You'll
talk about it.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
And we kicked off season seventeen, which the new episodes
start in July, so you know, quarter three, quarter four
of the year. So we're kind of this is the
pre production stuff we're filming. We're at a team, we're
getting ready and the new episodes come out then.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So I walked out there and you're all hunkered down
on this bench this morning, and I'm looking and thinking,
just how much does that rifle?
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Way?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Anyway?
Speaker 8 (02:07):
Add that rifle weight and it's a Ruger Precision rifle
and it's their brand new one and six gt.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It weighs nineteen six twenty pounds.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Did you strap your scuba weight? Helt onto it. How
do you get this thing up to almost twenty pounds.
Speaker 8 (02:24):
Well, it's it's it's a factory rifle. So that's what
the beautiful thing in these precision guys. They want to
shoot a factory class gun and want to be heavy
on the Precision rifles series so they can be in
that factory division. And so to get that, you've got
to include weights.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So they have weights that you can add up to
two point eight pounds to the gun. And if someone's listening,
they go, why would you want the gun to be heavy?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It reduces recoil.
Speaker 8 (02:49):
Yeah, because you at longer distances you want to basically
be a spotter for yourself and call your shot.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You want to be able to see the hits and
misses through the scope. So you need a rifle that
doesn't move when you shoot it. So the way you
get that is a combination of having lighter recoiling cartridges
and having a really heavy gun that no one in
his right mind whatever carry around hog with.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
That is correct, yep, but yeah, I mean that way.
It's kind of crazy. If someone's a deer hunter, they're
not used to this concept. But a rifle like that,
you can shoot a target at five hundred, six hundred,
eight hundred yards and just watch it through the scope
and watch your hit make impact or hit the dirt
behind it, and then make an adjustment.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And we're not talking about four power scope either.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
Oh no, this is a five to twenty five is
what we had on it. I think it was a
right on, right on.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, well you'll think about all right, seventeen seasons of
guns and gear differences in cartridges and rifles and optics
from seventeen years ago and now.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Oh my gosh, three to nine was the standard.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's talk about the rifle we
were just talking about. If you go back seventeen years
and new rifles were introduced, new bolt guns were introduced,
typically the new bolt gun would have a three to
nine power scope on it. Maybe if you want to
go crazy, it's it goes up to twelve power and
it's available in any caliber you want, as long as
(04:13):
it's three oh eight two forty three six. And then
the seven long actions yeah, yep, thirty out six two seventy.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Now we have all these new cartridges. In fact, some
of them are not even new anymore. I mean six
five createpars, not even a new cartridge.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Now, yeah, that one's not new anymore.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
But but like the six GT that's kind of a
specialty one.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I mean it is.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
It definitely is from that PRS NRL Hunter lineage, where
that people are wanting to shoot longer bullets.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
It's not necessarily faster. It's not like super.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Super fast trying to get the high b C.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
You want to get the high BC. That way you
have less wind drift and uh and less recoil because
we're shooting you know what, one hundred and five grain
bullets something like that.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
You typically one hundred and eight, you know, something like
that is what I like out of the six out
of the six gg yep, right, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So I mean the other part of it is some
of these competition cartridges have turned out to be really
good hunting cartridges as well.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
Yes, and will I do like that aspect is there's
a big crossover.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
So inn NRL Hunter matches.
Speaker 8 (05:19):
Typically what you'll see is a six five tree more
which makes a great you know, white toe. I mean,
I've seen guys take grizzly bears with them. I know
that'll upset the apple cart right there. But don't we
always talk about like whether it was seventeen years ago
or today, shot placement.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Same thing always has been, right, good bullets and shot placement.
We have really good bullets. Now we have a lot
of high BC bullets VLD bullets that really the reality
is they start to shine past four hundred yards. After
four hundred yards, they really don't make much difference.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Now, I'll tell you the other thing, just thinking about
changes over the past seventeen years carry guns.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
So carry guns.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Seventeen years ago, you either had something that was pretty
small and easy to carry, that was going to be
a single stack gun. It's it's six nine, maybe seven
or eight rounds of nine milimeter, or you had a
double stack gun which held ten rounds of forty yep,
(06:20):
and it was kind of fat, right, And now we've
got the capacity has changed, and of course a lot
of people running optics on their guns.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, I mean you think about the P three sixty
five hell cat, you know, I mean, on and on,
everybody's got one. Now this micro compact double stack nine
where you got twelve to seventeen to one hundred and
forty two rounds in your gun, whatever.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It happened to be.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That actually, in fact is carryable.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Right right, Yeah, and yeah that's true. You a three
sixty five or a hell Cat or the hk CC nine.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
It holds twelve rounds.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
What we thought about if you know, seventeen years ago, like,
oh this is a twelve round gun.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Oh okay, got it.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
It's a double stack, fat, kind of large, you know.
Not I would say it's a medium sized gun. Now,
a twelve round carry gun is a smaller.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It can be real and you get a lot of gun.
Every time I come down here, I like to wander
through and say, what do you got in here? You go,
We've got new cool stuff, and it just kind of flows.
Are we allowed to talk about the event you're gonna
be doing here for too long? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
We could talk about it.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Yeah, we're one of the one of the hot things
that that we've been talking about quite a bit of
it the last couple of years are lever actions. Lever
action rifles, and so we'll you'll be hearing a bunch
more about this, but we're doing lever Fest media event.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
But Ryan, seventeen years ago we talked about lever guns too,
So that's actually actually seventeen years ago.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
That one's not really new.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They're almost coming back in vogue.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Look at the lever guns we have now. We didn't
have these guns seventeen years ago.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Yeah, that's it's been fun.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So we'll be shooting a bunch of lever guns with suppressors.
With suppressors, that's what that's different.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That's weird and different and amazing the effect of with
that closed reach. You know, if you have a subsign,
I mean you put a thirty eight Special or something
like that, or forty five Colt and you put a
can on there.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It's quiet. It's really quiet.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
I was out there today just today shooting the Antioakley.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
So the mirror at the of the gun with the
little savage revel, little twenty.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Two levels work.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
Oh my gosh, you guys both have to try that,
because it is way more difficult. Like I give props
to Antioakley because ge she she killed it.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
See Chris Serno said, Oh, it's not that hard. You
could like far Like.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
Chris Serna, everything is backwards because you're when you're looking
at in the mirror. Sure you're sitting there going, well,
if I moved my body this way, the sites go
the opposite way. So it's it's really hard to line
up the sites and really get it. And he was
sitting there doing it two shots in eight seconds. I
couldn't do that in eight minutes. I mean it was
it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's pretty good at that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
He has a he has a gift.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
He's good at the shooting.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, that shooting thing exactly sor right. So you're gonna
have the lever Fest and then you got like tons
of new guns and new optics and things you're gonna
be looking at for this year of guns. Here, by
the way, where does Guns in Gear air where they
can see it?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It airs, let's see July through whatever, July, June, August, July, August, September.
It airs on the Outdoor channel, and then it airs
on Sportsman Channel after that, and and then of course
online you can find it, you know, gun talks channels
on Facebook, YouTube, Roku, all the socials socials.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Okay, so do you have any idea of what's going
to be showing up this year, because I mean, you
get good stuff. It just kind of flows in.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
We're starting to get some stuff in now.
Speaker 8 (09:59):
As far as like optics and what we're shooting right now.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Everything from Mepro Light.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
It's got a new MVO that is that is is
different for them because typically they're not, you know, a
magnified optic company.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
So that's really cool. And then Eotech anything, that little
bignything over there, Eotech.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Three to nine scope is unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Yeah, six point eight inches, but they took a step
back in time seventeen years ago and brought out a
three to nine.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But it's little, but it's little. It's tiny and lightweight.
And then it comes with the mount attached permanently attached
to the scope.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yes, a mini acog mount, so it just screws right
onto your pickrail.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
It's very cool.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
So is that the direction we're headed is is stuff's
already done for you and it's just you attach and go.
Gotta hope is that what it's going to I mean,
it seems like it otherwise.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I mean, and you know, mounting a scope should be easy,
but sometimes it just becomes a real production. Oh yeah,
and now people bring out tools. You were just handing
me tools, yes, I said, but you got to try
this new thing from Vortex.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
So Ryan, you're going to appreciate this because Tom's in Idaho,
right and so he rarely gets to see the cool
stuff that comes here.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
The news just doesn't get all the way time it does.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
It it probably stops saying.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Can we're still working on getting sunlight.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
So he's sitting there and I just got a box
in from Vortex and I'm like, oh, I really want
to keep this for myself, but Tom's here and he
needs to see this. And it's the pro tor wrench
that they just launched and the pro Leveling kit, which
it is single hand used, the little level and it
attaches to any pickrail.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
It's so simple, but it's so handy.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, it's so simple. It's brilliant, Yeah, because you know
sometimes it's really hard to make things that are simple.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yes, it really is.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
And it's one of those things that it's like, why
didn't I think of that? It have been so handy,
and it's it's very slim line, so so when you're
out in the field and you've already leveled your scope,
it can double as a level in the field.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
So just leave it attached to your rail.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And we should point out if you're shooting inside a
two hundred three hundre yards, level doesn't really matter a lot, right,
the further out you get. If your gun is canted
left or right, it throws your bullet impact off left
or right, sometimes quite significantly.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yes, yeah, and well and also like mounting the scope
level is important to.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Never have done. That's just me.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
That looks good, I think.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I honestly, we're just gonna go ahead and tail some
tell some family secrets. I think kJ has one leg
that's shorter than the other. Yes, because when he does
a quickie like I threw that on there to film with. Yeah,
I'm always cocking my head a little bit to one side.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I'm like, you think that's straight, you think it's perfect.
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You know, sometimes good enough really is. And that's the
case when it comes to this segment. Because we're now
out of times that fast, so you can check out
the new season Guns of Gear. Also, you got all
the other videos, I mean literally thousands of videos, including oh,
before we go, got to talk about the one you
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Can I say that, yes, because I just it's that's
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Sometimes you go, Okay, I can't believe they did that.
I gotta go see that again. So there you go.
All right, we gotta go, guys, Thank you so much.
You need to get back out to the range and work. Yeap,
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Hi, I'm Kim Roady from California. Welcome back to gun Talk,
the place where we celebrate all things shooting, hunting, and
the Second Amendment. Me that would be six time Olympics
shooter Kim Roady. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. If
you want to join us, well, we'll just open the
gates right now. You can jump right in. The number
is Tom Talk Gun. That's don't even bother with the numbers,
(16:40):
just Tom Talkgun. We'll get you in here and we
are open lines. If there's something you want to talk about,
you get to determine the subject matter. Okay. During the
break here, Jim was asking me. He says, you know,
does Inbye make a revolver for nine millimeter luger cartridges
using the full moon clips? Absolutely? There are several out there.
(17:01):
People would say why Well, I would probably say why to,
but the correct answer is always why not? Uh. You know,
if you've got a lot of nine millimeter ammo, you
can sort of use that in revolver. If if you
were in a country where that was the only animal
ammo available, you could do that. There's also an advantage
(17:26):
in speedloading. When you have a full moon clip. You
can dump out all the rounds in the revolver and
then dump in all the rounds from the revolver. Could
be depending on your level of practice and your skill level,
could be faster than using a speedloader for your revolver.
So there are different pistol caliber cartridges, well not rimmed,
(17:53):
I guess the rimless cartridges available in revolvers in using
the full moon clips. Also, of course there are some
you could actually use rimed cartridges thirty eight, three, fifty
seven and of course the forty five ACP. There are
revolvers made for that as well. Do you have one
of those question is why? What do you do with it?
(18:15):
And what's the advantage or disadvantage of having that? Also?
I am here at Range Ready Studios down here in Louisiana,
and next week I'm going to take the class that
we're doing with the Jacob Gray folks with their high
end double stack nineteen eleven nine milimeters pistol, and I
got to shoot one a few days ago, just ran
(18:36):
a couple of mags through it. Actually ran a box
of fifty rounds through it, kind of getting the feel
of it. I don't really have much experience with the
double stack. I have a lot of experience with nineteen eleven's.
I'll give you my initial impressions about that and just
a bit, and then it'll be interesting to see after
two full days of instruction and practice if my initial
(18:57):
impressions change, we'll talk about that. It's one of those Yeah,
I like it, but so I have some thoughts on that.
I'll share that just a bit. If you want to
be a part of this eight sixty six talk. Gun
Brendan called in out of Newmarket, New Hampshire. Hein't Brendan,
you're on gun Talk. You got a range report for us?
Speaker 14 (19:17):
I do got a range report and guess what I found.
I found a heritage rough Rider with a sixteen inch barrel,
which means, as you know, I can put a stock
on the thing. I really want it to go.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 14 (19:31):
And well I shot it today. I don't have a
stock for it yet, but it's something I'm looking into.
But I shot it today. That thing shoots so flat.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh yeah, it's sixteen inch barrel. I mean, you got
so much way hang it out there. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 14 (19:48):
The guy I bought it from said, if you can't
hit you the target that you're aiming at, you just
can't shoot, period. And I can certainly attest to that.
Today I was shooting twenty two win mag out of there,
and that it was just a lot of fun. It
looks like the Joker gun from Batman.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, okay, Brandon talked me through the thought process from
the initial Well that's interesting. How do you get from
that to sure, I'll buy that?
Speaker 14 (20:17):
So I actually went to the gun store yesterday just
to buy a red dot for my conceal carry pistol.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That's how it.
Speaker 14 (20:28):
And they didn't have the red dot that they wanted there.
They said to go online and get it because they
have it on their website. But I said to the guy,
I'm like, all right, well, do you have any guns
that are just fun? Stupid ridiculous. And he's like, yeah,
what's your range. I'm like, oh, getting you know, maybe
like one fifty to three hundred mac just total range
gun nothing, And he pulls out this. I'm just like,
just here's my license, here's my card, go running.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That looks stupid enough, I'll buy it.
Speaker 14 (20:54):
It was so stupid the entire time I looked at it.
I just couldn't help myself but ask just how ridiculous
it looks. But it was so much fun to shoot today.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
At the range, you know, Brendan, I think it's one
of the things that sometimes people on the internet forget
because they say, well, you know that has no practical use,
or you know, the two eighties not as good as
this and that and the other, and you go there, Well,
you know, it's okay because we just get them because
they're fun. You know what. We're going to rune out
of time, Brendan Taylor another time we'll talk about the
force reset trigger. I'm not gonna be able to get
(21:24):
you in on this one, and I apologize for that,
but we're just flat out of time. But I do
appreciate the call and the ranger board A sixteen inch
barrel revolver in twenty two magnum. Yeah, that's like no
recoil at all, hanging it out. The other thing is
when you get thank you for the call. It's kind
of like these longer barrel lever action rifles. You get
one with a twenty four inch heavy barrel out there,
(21:45):
and you got that on your shoulder and you're shooting
off hand and it just doesn't move because there's so
much weight out there. It doesn't wobble. It's almost like
it's just hanging by gyroscope out there. It's pretty crazy.
So look, I get it, go into the store and say, hey,
what do you got. That's weird and different. I got
money to spend and it's burning a hole in my pocket.
(22:06):
No one ever, Well, okay, yes it does happen to us.
What did you buy when you bought something stupid? Give
me a call at Tom Talk guy. All right, just
got a range report from Clayton up in the Streeport area,
(22:26):
he says, heading out to the range to continue our
cattle Parish four h small bore practice. We are getting
ready for the state competition next month. I want to
encourage adults to take the youth out and teach them
to shoot safely or just take a new shooter out
to the range. Hey Clayton, appreciate what you're doing. Appreciate
the work with four h and yes, a big out
(22:48):
of boy to everybody who takes youngsters out and teaches
them safe gun handling. Now here's one from the state
of Tennessee, the Noya Group n IOA, which is Rob Noya,
good guy down in Australia. He bought Barrett. You know,
the people who make the big fifty caliber guns. Oh,
several years ago and people say, oh man, it's a
foreign company and they own Barrett. What I kept saying,
(23:10):
don't worry about it. I know Rob, he's a good guy. Well,
they just announced, working with Tennessee, a new expansion seventy
six point four million dollar campus style industrial precinct to
be known as the Barrett Manufacturing and Technology Campus. They're
gonna be designing, developing, manufacturing, testing, sustaining and distributing Barrett's
(23:32):
expanding range of world class products that released this one
hundred and seventy acres. They're gonna be making, of course,
a lot of military stuff, but also expanding the number
and types of commercial firearms. That is, those are guns
for you and me, Saveyian. So Barrett is on the
roll and expanding and doing good things there in Tennessee.
(23:53):
That's really good to hear. All Right, Going to the
phones right now, Line one, Roberts with us out of Wasilla.
A last guy, Robert, you're on guntalk. What are you
looking at?
Speaker 12 (24:03):
Well, I'm under the understanding that Remington is now being
made by Ruger.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Nope, that's incorrect.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
Nope, nope, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's okay. That's all you're going And which question? Keeping up? Please?
Speaker 12 (24:17):
Okay? The question is why don't they bring back a
fantastic cartridge called the six milimeter Remington.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Well, because it's dead. It's the chances of bringing back
the sixth milimeters Rimington are like bringing back the edzel car.
It it got wiped out. It's gone. I mean, I
love the sixth milimeters Ramiton. It's actually a better cartridge
than the two forty three. Shoot the same bullets, not
one hundred feet per second fastor but it's never coming back.
The two forty three completely wiped it out. Rimington screwed
it up when they brought it out, they chambered it
(24:47):
with a slower twist rate, they had a ninety green
bullet instead of one hundred grain bullet. They saw it
as a varmic cartridge. And then when the two forty
three came along with a one in ten twist rate
and one hundred grain b and it was a multi
use caliber. Use it for environments and also for deer.
It completely owned the territory. And now you got six
(25:09):
milimeter creed More, which maybe even better than both of
them put together. I do want to go back to
your initial thought though about Remington and Ruger. Here's what happened.
Remington broke up. It broke up. All the different companies
that had Remenden had purchased. Ruger ended up buying Marlin
from Remington. And that may be where the confusion comes in,
because so Marlin's are being made by Remington. But there
(25:32):
is a company called rim Arms r E M A
r MS, and you got Rimarms dot com and you
can see you remonton seven hundreds and their shotguns and
the guns that were being made by Remington are now
being made by rim Arms. So that's what's going on there.
Speaker 12 (25:47):
I don't know if that helps, yes, sir, well, thank you. No,
that was just a question, and the other one is
would be why isn't anybody making a bolt action two
twenty three that likes to shoot the fifty five bullets
with a one in twelve twist Uh?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Well, simply because you can shoot. You can have a
little bit faster twist rate and take care of the
longer bullets and it'll still shoot fit five grain bullets
really well. One in ten works really well now when
you go to the one in seven, And I understand
what you're saying, and that twist rate is really designed
for the sixty eight seventy seven grain bullets, longer range bullets.
(26:25):
I mean, I'm with you. I've got a couple of
one and twelve twist rate two two threes and they
work just fine with bullets really up to sixty sixty
two grains. But the interest, I mean, and look, here's
the thing, Robert, you and I are probably thinking the
same thing. But the interest right now is in long
range shooting. That's the deal. And for long range and
(26:47):
shooting beyond four hundred yards, you really do need these
longer bullets, these higher ballistic coefficient bullets, and to get
those to shoe, well, you got to have a faster
twist rate. That's just the world where it in. But
it doesn't mean that we can't find one and twist
rate two, two threes or frankly, you can always have
something rebarreled and you have whatever twist rate you want.
(27:09):
I appreciate the cost there, Thank you. Speaking of barrels,
I keep being amazed to people who online are asking questions.
You know, well, you know if you do that, it's
gonna shoot at your barrel. You're gonna shoot at your barrel.
You know, you need to do these things and shoot
less so you don't shoot out your barrel. That's like
saying I'm gonna get me a really cool car, but
I'm not gonna drive it much so I don't wear
(27:31):
out my tires. Barrels are consumables, just like tires. The
reality is, unless you shooting in a really hot magnum,
it's going to take you five to ten thousand rounds
to shoot out your barrel. Three h eight two two
three probably gonna take you five to ten thousand rounds
to shoot it out to start wearing it out. That's
(27:53):
a lot of shooting. And you know what if you
do shoot five or ten thousand rounds and you start
to lose accuracy, and your built your barrel for four
hundred dollars or so. You can get a new barrel,
you can get it attached to your gun. You can
change the twist rate, you can change the caliber, you
can do a lot of different things by swapping out
the barrels. It's become pretty common people do that. But
(28:13):
I've always amazed at how many people don't know or
don't think about the ability to change the barrel out
on your bolt action gun. Clearly you can do it
on your ars. That's a piece of cake, nothing to that.
But even on your bolt action rifles, it's not a
big deal to swap out the barrel. Or here's a
different way to go. Say you got a call it
(28:34):
a thirty out six and you think the barrel shot
out chances, sorry, it just needs cleaning. But that's a
whole different issue. Okay, you can always have a reboard
to a larger diameter bullet, go to a three thirty
eight out six something like that, and now you have
basically breathed new life into your old barrel. But the
you know, really, why don't you just rebarrel it? And
(28:56):
at that point, you can say, well, I'm going to
go to a six PRC or a seven PRC or
one of the new calibers. I can change calibers. I
can do whatever I want. Or if I just really
like my old two seventy, I want to keep shooting it,
then rebarrel it to a two seventy and keep on trucking.
So rebarreling is viable. Easy. Any gunsmith can do that
(29:17):
for you. Think of barrels as consumables the way you
think of tires. Drive your car a lot, shoot your
gun a lot, and replace what wears out fair enough?
All right, quick break here. Our number is eight six
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shoot a little video. We've got a couple of new
guns we're gonna bring in this week and do some
video on some things we can't talk about quite yet.
I mean, we get a lot of things actually that
we can't talk about yet because we get the advance
from a lot of manufacturers. But one that we can
(32:22):
talk about. It was just announced. We knew it was common,
everybody knew. Everybody knew it was coming from Smith and
West and they call it the FPC series and this
is in it's their pistol calor carbing. It's a car
being that takes Sho's pistol rounds okay, and they've had
it for nine milimeter and this is essentially the ten
(32:45):
milimeter M and P and a carbing version with a
folding stock. It is so cool. And you know I've
been talking about Ruger has one that's very similar to this,
and it's awesome and this is just as awesome. Think
about this. Think about a ten milimeter carbing, So you've
got a magazine that will hold it fifteen rounds something
(33:09):
like that. It's twelve to fifteen. And in the case
of the Smith and wesson actually in the stock, you
can stick two other magazines in there, so you've got
three magazines walking around with this thing. Now you go
to a sixteen inch barrel instead of a four or
five inch barrel in your pistol, you're gonna pick up
three or four hundred additional feet per second velocity, a
(33:30):
lot of velocity that gives you a lot of energy,
that gives you a flatter shooting rig. You're gonna be
hitting stuff hard at one hundred yards with that. This
may be kind of an ultimate truck gun do everything
whatever it is kind of gun self defense, home defense.
I would say everything from about two yards to one
(33:51):
hundred and twenty five yards can probably take care of
that with a carbing and ten milimeter And you got
a bunch of ambo with it, and it's really fun
and they don't recoil much at all because you've got
a carbing length. Of course, you can fold that stock
up and it's convenient to carry around throwing a backpack
when you're hiking out the woods and pull it out
(34:13):
when if you need it or want to do some shooting.
Just I mean, it's fun, it really is. They're just
fun to shoot. But with a ten milimeter car being
you now have a really good protection rig from two
to four legged critters. So just look at that and think, man,
that that's pretty sweet. Alesko grab Walt out of Texas
(34:36):
Online five Walt, you've made it on a gun talk.
What's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (34:39):
Sir?
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Well, sir, I've got a Ruger M seventy seven and
three thirty eight win mag It's my elk rifle, and
my cold war shots here lately have been going high
right at three hundred yards about three inches. My subsequent
shots are on the money. Is there anything I can
(35:02):
do to get that cold bar shot zeroed in? I've
gone with dirty bores, clean bores, you name it. We
got it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Uh, that was gonna be My first question is you know,
are we talking about right after we cleaned it? For
those who don't know, it's not unusual after you clean
your rifle for the first shot to go one direction.
Everything after that, you know, is a little bit further
off and that's why we like to shoot it and
not go out with a freshly cleaned barrel when we
go out. But you've got that figured out now, you
say it's let me make sure I understand three inches
(35:35):
off at three hundred yards, right, go.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Three inches off at one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
One hundred yards. Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
It's driving me crazy. I'm an elk hunter. And of
course in Montana, Idaho or Utah, my uh my, my
cold war shot, it may be eight or ten days old.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, that's the one. I'm gonna make a suggestion. I'm
just I'm spitballing here now, Okay, So it just gets
me to try. Have you tried to jesting the torque
on the action screws on that, I mean, tighten them
or loosen them a little bit?
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Yes, sir, I certainly have. I followed all the stuff
that Ruger recommended, and I've got the torchs just right
as far as I know, and I'm just kind of
throwing the hands in the air. I love the three
eight one mag forever. That is driving me crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Okay. I got one other thing to try, and this
is going to sound completely goofy okay, but it might
you never know, I've seen it work if you will
take the action out of the stock and take if
you can find a business card or a piece of
cardboard like that, and take one layer of that, just
kind of small piece and lay it up about three
(36:55):
inches two to three inches back from the end of
the forum from the and put it in the barrel
channel and then put the action back in and screw
it in so that you're putting positive pressure up on
the barrel with that little shim of cardboard in there.
I've also seen it done with a rubber band sometimes
(37:16):
that makes things settle in. And you know, it's about
as cheap as it can get in terms of trying
to tune something up.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Well, that sounds great. I've had a glass better than
free floated. I've done adop everything I.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Can think of.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
You need some of that magic accurizing sauce to pour
over it.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
Yeah, I'm using ketchup and hard post.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
As long as you got good old crystal hot sauce
for Louisiana, you're probably okay. Seriously, try it. I mean
it sounds goofyes, all get out, and I get it.
You're already glass beded. You've done all the right stuff.
But you might just try that. Now, let me ask
you this, after the first shot, do you get good
groups with like two through four shots outstanding?
Speaker 7 (38:00):
I'm punching just about the same holes. That's probably a
half inch out of one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
We know what this means, don't you. What's that You
got to fire a warning shot before you shoot at them.
Speaker 12 (38:14):
I just say this, but usually I do.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
War Oh my gosh, Well, look, try that goofy idea
of a little upward pressure on the barrel and let
me know how it works out.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Okay, I appreciate it, Thank you very much, sir begs Walt.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Appreciate that three thirty eight win meg. I love that
I have shot critters from one hundred pounds to three
thousand pounds with a three thirty eight wind meg. It
just works. The key is using good bullets and of course,
as always, putting them in the right place, and learning
to master a little bit more recoil, which you're going
(38:53):
to get with a big caliber like that. It is fun, though.
Three thirty eight just flat works. We'll be right back
with more gun talk. All right, Let's go straight to
the phone. Steve's with us in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Steve, you're
(39:16):
on gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 17 (39:19):
Hell, Lisa, how you doing great? I got I got
to listen to you well right before the shot show,
and I'm thinking of a new three fifty seven and
I and you said there's some things coming out. If
you can hold off, you could talk about it then,
But then you went to the shot show and then
I haven't had a chance to listen.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
To Okay, uh, more than likely what I was talking about.
And it was announced that Shot show. It's out now
and just now making its way two gun stores. Is
a new Smith and Wesson three fifty seven magnum. It's
a great revolver, four inch revolver. It's the Mountain Gun series,
but this is not in the big inframe style. It
(40:03):
is a an L frame, a smaller and it's got
some really nice features. And Smith and Wesson did it
in conjunction with the folks from Lipsy's. If you go
to Ellpsey's l I. P. S. E. Y S. Lipses
dot com and put in Mountain Gun or Frankie's, put
in Smith and Weston Mountain Gun or Lipsey's Mountain Gun
in search, you'll find it. It's a delightful new revolver.
Speaker 17 (40:28):
Well, that's good because none of the smiths fit me.
I'm five to six and they just hit me wrong
when they go off. And that's the I want to
try that one.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
When you say they hit you wrong, it's it. They
don't fit your hand.
Speaker 14 (40:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (40:43):
When I squeezed, they they just my hand in the ergonomics,
isn't you know?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
It's interesting you say that because this has special grips
called the Bear Hug grips that Bobby Tyler put together
from Tyler Gunworks, special grips that are supposed to be
super comfortable. I've shot it a little bit, not a lot.
I like the feel of it. The problem is you
may have trouble getting your hands I want at a
(41:12):
gun store because these are in short supply and people
are buying them up. But I kind of think you
would like it. And the other thing is if you
put an order in for one and you got to
the store and said, Okay, I really don't like that,
the store would say, not a problem, because we've got
ten people behind you that will buy it. So I
don't think that's gonna be an issue for you.
Speaker 17 (41:30):
Well, good, yeah, time for one quick question.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
You bet quiet.
Speaker 17 (41:36):
I'm also wanting a twenty two WMR automatic rifle man.
Sometimes you're looking at at something over two thousand, but
I'm just wanting it for evening raccoon control and things
like that. Right, So do you have a recommendation.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, I tell you what I'm gonna recommend. Just go
to gunbroker and put intweenty two Magnum Semiauto and see
what pops up and what kind of price you can get.
Because you're not looking to spend a ton of money
and buying you a used gun, I think might be
the way to go. I'd go to gun broker and
just see what looks interesting to you.
Speaker 17 (42:19):
Well, the water Maker's next month.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Well, if you can get to the water Maker in Tulsa, man,
you got it made, because that is as good as
it gets. That's the biggest gun show in the world
and everything is. Have you been to the Watermaker show
before I live? Well, no, you're right there in Tulsa. Yeah,
but you've been at the show?
Speaker 12 (42:39):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 14 (42:39):
I usually go at least to.
Speaker 17 (42:41):
At least one in a year to happen in the fall.
But in the fall I'm hunting.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
So I don't go there, go to the Spring show.
Take a water cash, but don't take more than you
want to spend, because when you go to that show,
money just jumps out of your pocket and ends up
in somebody else's hands. But that's okay because you'll come
away smiling because you'll have a gun or two or
three or four or five in your hands when you
walk out. So there you go, Steve, I think you
have solved the problem, sir. Thank you for your call.
(43:06):
Anybody else, if you have never been to the Tulsa
Gun Show, the Winemaker show in Tulsa, it's unbelievable. I mean,
it really is hard to describe what you see there
and cool stuff, but it is one of those deals.
If you make an off runt, you better have the
cash in your pocket. I mean seriously, because people do
work on an honor system there, and if you're trying
(43:26):
to bluff people, you'll get called out. You'll get found out. Hey,
when we come back, we just failed on a second
mimic case. But that is me end up being a
good thing.
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