November 2, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Ruger revamps production to not only make new guns, but to give the quality control department control over production lines. President and CEO Todd Seyfert explains what's going on behind the scenes.
-- Oliver, a 12-year old, takes his first deer with the Gun Talk GT30 rifle.
-- Why buy a custom-made pistol when there are good ones being made by many factories?
Gun Talk 11.02.25 Hour 1
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-- Ruger revamps production to not only make new guns, but to give the quality control department control over production lines. President and CEO Todd Seyfert explains what's going on behind the scenes.
-- Oliver, a 12-year old, takes his first deer with the Gun Talk GT30 rifle.
-- Why buy a custom-made pistol when there are good ones being made by many factories?
Gun Talk 11.02.25 Hour 1
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You know this gun company, it's been around seems like
forever now and it hasn't been quite forever, but Ruger
is one of the major gun companies in the world.
And we're joining right now by the president and CEO
of Ruger Firearms to see for joinings us Todd, thanks
for being here.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Hey Tom, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Happy all right, weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, thank you same to you. Nothing spooky about.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
This, right exactly?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
All right?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So you have been under what right at eight months
in the job? President and CEO? How's it going?
Speaker 6 (02:19):
You know what, It's going great, as you know, coming in.
I think it takes a little bit of time to
get your fet under you and spend some time with
the people and the leadership team, and spending time with
their factories and our customers and really understanding then what
the consumers ultimately are looking for. And that's what we've
been doing the last eight months, and I'm happy to
say we've got a lot of good things in progress.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Well, people should know that you're not new in the
firearms world. I mean you've been at Vista and your
Bushnell and your Magnum Research. I mean, you know the industry,
you know guns, you know the products. But Ruger's a
whole different deal man. You've got an incredible lineup and
you keep bringing out new guns. But it seems to me,
and this is where I'd like to ask you, we're
(03:01):
in a flat period, man, the economy and everything else,
and gun sales are somewhere between flat and down.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
What are you seeing what's going on?
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Well, I think you're right. I think you know. I
have been in the business really since college, and so
I've been through the ups. I've been through the downs.
There's been a lot of them. As you know, there
never seems to be kind of steady state in the industry.
So what we're trying to do at Ruger is really
focus on a few simple things. It's our framework for
how we think about the business, and it's really about
(03:31):
profitable expansion, product innovation, and what we call agile responsiveness.
Really to your question around product innovation, what I've seen
over the years, Tom, is when the industry gets gets
flat to down, people are still looking for new and
different and it's our job as manufacturers to continue to
give those consumers a reason to buy. And that's what
(03:52):
we're doing at Rubery. We're spending a lot of time
and effort right now on our R and D side
and investing in manufacturing to make sure that we can
continue to bring products to our customers that delight our
customers and they want to use in the field.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
All Right, I mean I understand new products. When you
say investing in manufacturing, what does that really mean?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Well, you know, as you know, Tom, we're we're made
in the USA. We have ten facilities for manufacturing gun
facilities in the United States of America, and so in
order to continue to be innovative and continue to be efficient,
we have to continually invest in those factories and that
means in our people, that means in our machines and
in our capex around new and better machines, And that
(04:37):
means from a from a sourcing standpoint, making sure that
we're on the cutting edge of making sure we have
the relationships with our vendors in the US to make
sure that we are getting what we need at the
right price. But ultimately, when we deliver a product to
our consumer, it's at the right price with the right
features and benefits that they're looking for that they can afford.
And I think right now affordability is something that is
(05:00):
paramount in this economy right now. Continue to give our
consumers something that is more than they would think for
the dollar, and that's what Ruger's trying to do right now.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, and I got to tell you that the r
exam which you did in collaboration with Magpool, exemplifies that.
I mean, it is a terrific pistol. I just don't
know that it's getting all of the attention that it deserves.
Every time I take it out, whether I've used it
in competition, I used it in daily carry. Every time
I shoot that pistol, it is just impressive.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
It's all get out yeah, I agree. It's been a
phenomenal launch for Ruger. And you know, the good news is,
Tom is we have more things coming up with the
r Exam and our partners at bankl that we're excited
about you'll be seeing here in the short term. We
believe that that pistol is defining for Ruger and we
need to continue to evolve that product category for Ruger
(05:53):
with new versions, new colors, new sizes, again back to
giving the consumer what they want. We're not done, and
I'm very excited about the next few months with what
we're gonna do with our exam.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, you know ideas. It's like everybody says, that's great,
Now do something else, right, right exactly, Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful.
But next week I want a new thing from you.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yes, yes, we do. And that's and that is you know,
we just speaking of new We've got the relaunch of
the Glenfield brand.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
That's a great name from like the past in firearms,
and you bring out the Glenfield rifle, which you can
talk about price point.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
That's a heck of a nice bolt action rifle.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
It is, you know, for for for people like you
and Metown. I've been around a long time. We remember
Glenfield for some of the newer listeners. They might not,
but you know, it's an iconic brand that was actually
owned by Marlon and when we bought the assets to
Marrowlin out of bankruptcy, we actually got the Glenfield name,
and so we just relaunched that brand. And our whole
idea here is back to giving the cons or what
(07:00):
they need at every price point. And so we took
what we learned on the Gen one Ruger American the
first version, and we improved it and we tweaked that
rifle and we're going to launch it under the Gunfield
name and six calibers to start with, which are the
high running calibers that most new gun owners would prefer.
(07:22):
And so very excited. We're building guns as we speak,
and you'll start to see those showing up in retailers
here in the next week. And so we're very excited
about bringing another, you know, brand that's been around for
some time in the industry, that you know, hasn't seen
the light of day for thirty some years, and Ruger's
able to relaunch that brand. We're very excited about it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, you know, the Gen one American was really groundbreaking
because it was one of those people said, you know,
this rifle just shoots a whole lot better than it should.
And to be able to tweak that and bring it
out and give it a different name because you've got
of course people should. They probably are aware you do
have the Gen too Ruger American and you're expanding that
as well, right, that is correct.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
So we have been working really hard. When we talk
about an investment, Tom, you know, not all capacity for
rugers the same, and so we can't build the same
rifle on let's say the Marl line as we can
the Gentoo line, and so when we see opportunities like
the success of Gen two, we have to continue to
invest in our facilities and add capacity, and so we've
(08:25):
been doing that over the last couple of years. And
we've got two new lines that are coming online, one
in our main and North Carolina facility and one on
our new Hampshire facility, and those lines are alive as
we speak, and we're starting to build guns. And because
of that, we have launched a few new versions of
the gent two rifle. We've never had a heavy barrel,
(08:47):
tappered profile rifle and so that is the prairie rifle
that we just launched a few weeks ago, and so
you're going to start to see over the next really
four months, a number of new versions of the Gen
two right. I feel that Ruger just hasn't played with
before because we haven't had the stock profile to allow
us to change and do different barrels. And so we're
(09:09):
going to get back to giving the consumer what they
want on making sure that we're covering all of our
bases in terms of what's out there and what's selling.
That is the work that our team has done really
the past twelve months to really focus in on what
are those skws in those product categories that we're missing
with Gen two and make sure that we roll those out,
and so we're rolling those out as we speak.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I love it because you get it, you know all
the time where people say, well, why don't you just
and then this I call it the handwaving thing. We'll
just do this thing and just do and then you say,
but you didn't have the stock profile to be able
to have the heavier barrel. I'm thinking that's one of
those deals where we say we just put a heavy
barrel on it and then you're thinking, you don't understand
what's involved in.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Something like that.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Yeah, it's a mold and those molds are very expensive,
and you know when you're starting when you know starting
it out. When when the Gen one started out, there
wasn't a lot of thought about how successful rifle is
going to be ten years ago, right, And so the
fourth thought on the Gen two was, let's make sure
that we build in the capacity and the capability within
the mold to have inserts so that we can do
both standard barrel tapers and heavy barrel tapers. And that's
(10:12):
what the team did. So again back to if you
can think about it up front, you can build those
things in and that's what you know. There's a lot
of thought given to the Gen two rifle and where
it was when it first launched, but more importantly, where
it could evolve with then over the five year period.
And we're just a couple of years in and we've
got a long way to go. And so again back
to the team that we have and having the engineers
(10:34):
that we have and the manufacturing engineers that we have,
and are people on our lines that understand how to
build bult action rifles. All that knowledge of Gen one
is what you're seeing in Gen two, and it's allowing
us to ramp up that line much faster than the
Gen one line.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Hey, Todd, I got a couple more questions. Can I
ask a favor? Can I run to a quick commercial
break and come back? Could you hold win us for
a little bit?
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Do you bet good deal? We're talking with Todd Sefert
here is the President's CEO. Ruger.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You've got a question. Bio means give me a call.
We'll get you in. But I have my own questions.
We'll get to those when we come back.
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Trying welcome back. I'm Tom Grascha. If it's a gun Talk,
we're talking with Todd Seaffert. He is the president and
CEO of Ruger or Tome. Before we go any further ahead,
to at least just do a shout out to a
pistol you make that. I think people don't really understand.
Maybe they don't even know about the Ruger LCP, Max,
I think is one of the little hidden secrets when
it comes to Conceio Kerry. It's pocketable and you still
(13:58):
got good sights on it and a good trigg And
I mean people, I take a look at that LCP, Max,
I don't think it's getting the credit.
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It deserves, you know, I think you're right. I think
everyone's so used to the LCP time they just they
stop looking in a sea of small pocket pistols. It's
one that gets overlooked. To your point, I was just
down with for those of you on the show that
I understand shooting Doug Kanic, best footer in the world,
and I was down down with him doing some training
up just a few weeks ago, and we spent some
(14:26):
time on the range through all the pistols. And the
LCP Max is a great gun. It's on target quickly
and from a from a user perspective within ten yards.
You know, you don't need to be accurate at ten yards,
but it is and so performs well. It's optics ready, great, great,
great concealed care pistol.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Okay, I gotta ask you, And look, we've preface this
by saying, Ruger is one of the what two firearms
companies that's publicly traded.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I think it's two right now?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Right, Yes, it's it's a Ruger and Smith and Lesson correct.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Okay, So publicly traded means you have restrictions on you
in terms of what you can say, because if you
say something that affects stock prices and the SEC comes
and wants to talk to you. Having said that, I
keep hearing rumors of Ruger getting back into shotguns. Anything
to that.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I would tell you Tom that we have been showing
some products to some of our customers, and you know,
it's our intention as Ruger to be a full line
firearms manufacturer, and to be full line firearms, you have
to be in shotguns. And so I would tell you
it's something we're looking at very hard and making sure
(15:40):
that if we do it, we do it the Ruger way.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
That is the strongest non. Yes, yes, I ever heard.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
You like that.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I have well done all right.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Along of those lines, people are saying, well, ask about Bretta.
You can't talk about that right now.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
I gather no, you know what it's uh for those
that are interested, there's some information, uh based on what
we did uh before the last board being a few
weeks ago. But really we're you know, we are we
are doing what Ruger does, which is executing you know,
the back half of this year in the tough market,
and we're focused on running our business. You know, we're
(16:18):
a public company and there's a lot of people that
invest in our stock.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
It just happens to be that brothers one of them
right now, and so we we we like we like
to think that when a competitor invest in your business,
it means you're doing something right.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Okay, so let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
You're obviously bringing out new products, and you've got more products,
and you're cranking these things down at the same time,
how do you go about or what's your process for
looking back and saying, how do we make everything that
we're making better? How do we increase reliability and quality?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
That's a very good question, Tom, and the only way
to do it is to to have an intentional approach
to quality. And so, you know, one of the things,
having been in multiple manufacturing environments over in my past
twenty five years in manufacturing, I've seen what good looks like.
And so I'm a firm believer that you need to
have quality inspections in the facilities, and quality needs to
(17:18):
be able to override production if they see something wrong.
And so part of the evolution of what we're doing
at Ruger in our facilities is we are strengthening our
quality organization and we've elevated them within the facilities so
that if they see something happening on Aline, they actually
have now the authority to shut that line down. And
(17:39):
get the right people to that line to have a
conversation about what they see so that we fix it immediately.
And so that is something new that we instituted in
the facilities about just under sixty days ago. Tom, and
I will tell you that from a cultural perspective, it's
a big deal for quality to know that that's the
most important thing. Is powerful.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
We've got We've got to keep the lines runn We've
got to turn them out. We can't shut these things down.
And then you have somebody comes in and say, wait
a minute, it's not right. Shut it down now until
we get it fixed.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
That is right, Yep, it's uh. Listen, we have our
we have consumers that are that are spending their hard
earned dollars on our products, and we, as a manufacturer,
may need to make sure that when they get those
products it meets or exceeds their expectation. And so I
take that very seriously. Our two thousand employees here in
the US take that very seriously. And so we're on
a journey right now to make sure that everything we
(18:35):
put in a box, regardless of the price point, that
we are putting the best product forward that we can
so that when that consumer opens that box, it exceeds
the expectation that they have, and that takes a cultural
shift in some cases around making sure that we have
yes republic and we have to continue to make guns
and we have to ship so many per day, but
they have we can do that and do it with
(18:56):
a quality product. And that's the message.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Okay, this topic of being publicly traded, you have stock
analyst on Wall Street who are looking at you and
looking at the quarterly return. So every three months they're saying,
what did you do this three month? Did you hit
your numbers?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And all of that.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's for me, I'm looking at it from the outside end.
That's going to make it a little bit difficult to
make one two five year plans.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
It is, Tom, I will tell you that I think
what Ruger has done really well over the long term
over the last twenty years is they've really been thoughtful
about the long term. And so yes, we have to
go out and report on the street every ninety days
what we did, but really where we are focused is
the long term. So what does our three to five
year plan to look like and what do we have
(19:40):
to do over the next three to five years to
hit our internal targets for growth and profitability, and we
may have some quarters that are softer than other quarters,
we may have some quarters that are stronger. But what
you'll see in the long term for Ruger is there's
consistency over time and that's what we're looking for. So, yes,
there is a you know, in some cases, ah, you know,
(20:03):
do you have to chase a quarter. That's not the
Ruger way. We need to do it right for the
long term. And if that means, you know, not every
quarter is perfect, that's okay, because ultimately we're looking at
the long term, not the short term.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
The other thing I've just got to tell you this
that we have not discussed this, but I am so encouraged.
I mean, Ruger has always been run by people who
are gun people who know guns, and you are the
next in that line of you're a gun guy, you've
been in the gun business, you understand it, you understand
you understand that your consumers are going to take that
gun apart and know everything about every part inside those firearms.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Absolutely, and that's you know, that's what I hope I
bring to this role is my passion for shooting and hunting.
You know, I grew up in the middle of Wisconsin
doing this. And you know, for me, as a fifteen
year old hunting deer in northeast Wisconsin or northwest Wisconsin,
to be sitting where I am today, you know at
Ruger is is a dream come true. And so I
take that dream very seriously. And so when I open
(21:00):
a Ruger box, it's the expectation of every consumer. That
is right and it's perfect right out of the box,
and that's what we strive for.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, all we're looking for is perfection, man, exactly. It's
not very hard, right, nothing to it. Todd. I appreciate
your time.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I appreciate what you're doing, you know, I mean, you're
doing great things, but I can see a steady rise
and improvement and you know, new products along the way.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Congrats, Thanks Tom.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I appreciate it. It's it's it's not me, it's the team.
And we've got a great team at Ruger, and I'm
really happy that we're you know, we're moving in the
right direction as a company. And that's that's all you
can do for the long term.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Right there, it is there, it is Todd Seaford, President
CEO of Ruger.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Thank you, sir, thanks, Tom, having a good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You bet alrighty our number is eighty sixty six.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Talk Gun Coming up, We're going to do a kind
of a modified range report. We're going to do a
follow up where a fella who was on the show
a little while ago. He's all of twelve years old now,
one of the first people I think maybe to take
a trophy animal with his gun Talk Rifle.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
We have that one.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Also, we're gonna have Larry Victors, the head of the NRA,
coming out. It's going to be a great all right,
you're back with you. I want to do a follow
up here. You remember, oh, a couple of months ago,
I guess now, we had a young man on and
he had just gotten the new GT. Thirty rifle, and
(22:35):
basically the plan was to go deer hunting. Well, we
got Oliver on the line now right now, Hey, Oliver,
how are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I am great? All right? First, give people some little background.
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I am twelve years old?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Okay, you're twelve, good deal. And this was your first
deer hunt, right yep, my first year hunt. And I
guess let's go to the bottom line first, you got
yourself a deer. Yep, all right, So tell me about
the hunt.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
How did it go?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
This is an Idaho for people who don't know, and
you're using the three or eight version of the gun
Talk rifle, the g T thirty, So tell me about
this hunt.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
We woke up at like four thirty. We got ready,
then we went over to my dad's friend's house to
pick him up. He was our guide the pretty much
the entire time. We got to the place at.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
About like eight ish and just about sunrise, and we
started climbing a hill. It was a big hill.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Idaho has a lot of big hills. And you're wearing
your backpack and you're carrying your rifle.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Huh, Well, I wasn't carrying the rifle.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Oh is your dad carrying your rifle for you?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Good, that's good, good use of him.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
We saw a few doz just crossing a ridge while
we were climbing up the hill. But then once we
got to the top of it, it was evened out
quite a bit, so it was just a lot easier hike.
And we went up to some ridges and in almost
every single one we would see either the same dear
or some different ones.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Were you seeing any bucks?
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, we saw a couple.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Okay, good deal.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
We got to the last ridge and we saw a
nice little spike. We got the gun set up and
I took a first shot. It was a little low.
It went over to behind a tree and laid down. Well,
I sat at it again. I think the second one
was a miss. We saw its head pop up and
then it ran. Oh boy, it ran to a hillside
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and then it stopped and looked at us for a sec.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
And in that moment I just drilled it. Perfect shot.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Oh man? So how far was that shot?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think it was about like one twenty or something?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Okay, one hundred and twenty yards? And were you using
a rest or, a tripod or anything?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Bipod a bipod?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Okay, good deal.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So tell me o our the difference between shooting that rifle,
because it's kind of a short barrel rifle and pretty loud,
the difference between shooting it before you put the pressure
on and then having the suppressure on.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Was that more enjoyable?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, it was a lot more enjoyable.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
The first time I saw it, it was indoors, so
it was automatically more loud. I was kind of scared
to shoot it for a while, but then once I
got the supressor, I'm like, whoa, this is nothing.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, it just makes it a whole lot more fun
to shoot.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
So now that you've got the suppressor, you're able to
go out and do more practice because it's just going
to be a lot more fun to shoot. And I
will tell you, the more you shoot it, the better
you get. And doing a lot of dry firing makes
a huge difference. To just get practice, you know, pressing
that trigger and if you do that, like hundreds and
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thousands of times, the next time you get on a deer,
it'll be automatic and you used to won't worry about it.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You'll shoot much better. Next time.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You're gonna get a chance to think about this hunt
a lot. Well, Oliver, thank you for taking time to
share your story. Thank your dad. I had a lot
of fun being part of this story. And congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Congratulations on free train.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, freight train was a hood and a half. In fact,
we had freight train sausage for breakfast this morning.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
There you go.
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All right, thanks Oliver, I appreciate that, sir. All right,
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they had the folks from colt In and they did
the Cult Experience where people could come in and shoot
these cool ninety eleven pistols with optics on them, and
they had the Cult shooting team in there. And you
had the Jay Least and Justine Williams, the Williams sisters
had Wyatt Gibson, had Mark reddle great instructors and along
with Chris Rino of course from Range Ready Studios.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Just happened.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
They were there over Halloween and one day people showed
up dressed up for Halloween in the costumes and it
was crazy. If you take a look at our Facebook website,
you'll see Justin Williams dressed as the Cult ferry, complete
with tutu and wings and a wand and of course
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wearing a nineteen eleven and out shooting everybody.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Because these two I keep wanting to call them girls.
They're not girls.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I've known them since they were like in the early teens,
maybe before that, so I tend to think of them
as girls. But they're young women now in the twenties,
and they go around the world and keep beating people.
They're just out shooting everybody. Was talking to Ryan after
the event, he said, yeah, yeah, we were doing something.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
We're just for fun.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
We'd set up because Halloween, set up lollipops and he said, well,
we can shoot those. They set them up kind of
like their a plate rack and we're talking what inch
and a half across something like that, and he said,
I'm thinking, and try and say I'm thinking, and you
know it's going to be like okay, drawing shoot bang
bang bang, knocking me's down. He says, oh no, no, no, no, no.
(31:07):
He says, these guys are the cult team. It's like
draw bang bang bang bang bang, dorow gone done. And
then to make it more interesting for this this is
what he does. Chris Reno takes one of his big
lollipops and just turns it sideways. Now you're not hitting
the big surface. You got to hit it edgewise, and
(31:27):
of course because everybody loves Chris, and as I explained Chris,
it's kind of an acquired taste.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
But he's fine.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Uh And he's just a big old teddy Bearry sounds
gruff on the range, but he's really not. I guess
like maybe a half a dozen people showed up for
class that day and their Halloween costume was Chris Serno.
They dressed like Chris, so they were having a great time.
And obviously you have great food because it's Louisiana, so
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when you go to range Ready for a class, you
do that as well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Folks who are taking the class.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Not only were the pistols provided, and the optics provided,
and the AMMO provided and the holsters provided.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
At the end of the class they got to keep everything.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, the AMA was provided, so didn't get to keep
back because they shot it we went down range, but
they kept the holsters, the magpouches, the pistol, and the
red Dot site as well as some other swag that
came away with very cool stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I have a lot of fun down there.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
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and some sell out very fast, something like the cold class.
I think it's sold out in a week or so.
If you wait until you go online and look at
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have already sold out. If you are on the email list,
you will get an email of hey, we're having this
class and if you want to sign up you can,
so just kind of food for thought.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
There had an interesting conversation with and look, I.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Get it, and we'll have a discussion just a'll get
connected at some point when I get my brain together.
A little bit later in the show, we're going to
talk about nineteen eleven's and where they are in the
realm of self defense guns. Are they a real choice
or are they a silly historical affectation. But I'm having
a custom nineteen eleven built because it makes no sense.
(33:40):
And yeah, it costs about four times what a very
nice nineteen eleven would cost from a factory. And that
makes no sense except that I've always wanted to do it.
And you know what I've said in the past, is.
People have come to me for years and said, you know,
I've always wanted to fill in the blank. You know,
(34:00):
when when I'm flying my flying people say, you know,
I've always wanted to learn to fly. Uh huh.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I've always wanted to go to gun site for a class.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Uh huh. I've always wanted a really nice pistol, rifle,
shot good, whatever it is.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
And I've always said that I consider that to be
kind of a sad refrain, because if it's one of
those things you've always wanted to do, why not get
started making it happen.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
So that's where I am now, It's I get it.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
It makes no sense whatsoever to have a custom made
nineteen eleven put together for you, except I just wanted.
I'm getting Bill Offfradge at Southern Slide to build me
a gun, and it, you know, it sounds more like
a prison sentence. It's like, you know, X number thousands
of dollars and six months or something like that. I'm
not sure exactly when it's one of those. It'll be
(34:57):
ready when it's ready, right, and when it is, it'll
be really nice. And yes, I'm gonna have to sell
some other guns to pay for it.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I'm kind of at that stage where I'm thinking, yeah,
it makes sense. Really, I got some guns. I just
don't shoot anymore. And if honestly, if a gun's been
sitting in the safe for five, ten, fifteen years without
being shot, it needs to find another home. And I mean,
(35:29):
unless you're a collector, I am not. I only have
guns for shooting. I don't have guns that I don't shoot.
I don't do the collecting thing. Not that there's anything
wrong with that.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
It's cool. If that's what you want to do, that's good.
It's just not my thing. I like guns for shooting.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I was a little torn, and I went with the
forty five ECP for the new nineteen eleven. Could have
would have should have who knows, goneimeter Maybe that would
have been smarter.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
I could argue either way. I can't say that one
is better than the other. In this case, I guess
you could say, well, this is more classic. But I
do like shooting a nine milimeters nineteen eleven. What is
it about the nineteen eleven? Their trim They fit my
hand and I like the trigger at the same time,
(36:24):
and we'll talk about this a little bit later. It
might not be the right pistol for a lot of people.
It may not be the right pistol for most people, frankly,
because you could get a plastic fantastic out of the box.
It'll shoot for fifty one hundred thousand rounds struck a
fired pistol that.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
You don't have to do anything to I mean, basically,
keep it clean, keep it lubed, and keep it fed.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
That's really all you have to do with those, whereas
the nineteen eleven requires a little bit more attention. Do
you get more out of it if you do that?
Who knows, I don't know. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on. We have a conversation with Larry
Vickers about that, which interesting conversation. I was able to
grab him a couple of days ago. And if you
(37:11):
know the name of Larry Vickers, you know why it's
going to be interesting. If you don't, you got a
chance to look him up before we get to that interview,
because a fascinating guy with what two decades of experience
in Delta Force going around the world and doing those
interesting things that they do. So that's very interesting. We also,
we're going to have the head of the NRA here
(37:33):
for too long. It's some interesting things going on there.
They're if you're a now, remember you know we've heard
of the American Rifleman magazine and the American Hunter Magazine,
and they've got I think two other magazines. It may
(37:53):
not be completely accurate to say they're all going away,
but two of them are going away, and two of
them are kind going away.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We'll have more details about that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
As a magazine guy, I grew up my dad was
a magazine writer for decades. I was a magazine writer
for decades. I was a magazine editor. I edited many
of the major outdoor and gun magazines for years and years.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I love magazines.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I hate to see it, to see this, and at
the same time I completely understand it. We'll talk about
that as we go along.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Here.
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Speaker 5 (38:46):
Now, what's the next thing? What would you tell them?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
What would you ask gun companies to make these days.
I have an idea or two. I'm sure they're working
on other things we don't know. Call me in, let
me know what you're thinking. You know, something I wonder
about is how many people don't really understand that if
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you want the bullet to go faster, all you have
to do is pull the trigger harder. Right, let's go
to the phones. Matthew is in Mierie, Louisiana. Matthew, you
got a range report for us, Yes.
Speaker 12 (39:31):
An actual range. I was range just to check it out.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Didn't get a.
Speaker 12 (39:35):
Chance to actually shoot it because I didn't load up
my car full.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Of goodness.
Speaker 12 (39:42):
Tried to go to work. So it's the cut Off
Shooting Complex in cut Off, Louisiana, Okay. And I have
a rifle range that I swear looks like it's almost
a mile. I'm sure it's not, but it's really long.
They say it's eight hundred yards, so I'm like, I'll
(40:03):
take a word on it. The benches they have covered
shooting benches covered from the rain. And they have a
crystal range with steel targets and plate targets, and that's
completely separate from the rifle range. And it looks like
(40:24):
about fifty yards, and they wrecked machine guns and regularly.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
And the berm at the end of the rifle range
is actually a levee for the Mississippi River.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh okay, I did not know that, because here's a
weird one for you.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Why are there shooting and you look up and there's
a huge ship going by past the end of the.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Shooting range down there.
Speaker 12 (40:55):
Yeah, do not shoot that.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Do not shoot the ship. But yeah, I was doing
a thing.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
We were doing some video there with Rob Latham when
he was we were doing some stuff with Springfield Armory,
and we were taking the ten million of pistols and
we were shooting steel at three hundred yards with nineteen
eleven pistols ten million pistols. It was so much fun.
I mean, we had the whole range to ourselves. We
could do goofy stuff like that.
Speaker 12 (41:23):
So that's that sounds interesting. I wish i'd seen that video.
So there's something else. Was thinking about it and doing
some deep thinking about it, and I've come to exclusion,
we're not going to get much further with the NFA.
Where might get short batrel rifles and saw off shotguns,
(41:45):
but we're not gonna get much further. And that's because
the people who invest in politics are now terrified that
the left has discovered guns and they're using them.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Well, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I would
probably just disagree somewhat because I just think that the
powers that be are never going to say, yeah, common
people should be able to have machine guns.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
I mean not that you can't.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
You can own a machine gun now, it's just that
they're very expensive because they got limited to nineteen eighty six.
We can't own anything made after nineteen eighty six. If
we remove that, I think it's a huge, huge amendment,
then we at least we could get more affordable machine guns.
But in terms of getting rid of the NFA altogether,
I don't know that that's gonna happen, although although we've
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got this lawsuit going on right now and challenging the
NFA because it's a tax, and if they've removed the
two hundred dollars tax on suppressors and machine I guess
machine guns too, then does it actually exist anymore legally?
If the NFA, the National Fireings Act, was in fact
(42:58):
passed as a tax and now the tax is gone,
is there any basis for there to be a National
Firearms Act, Well, I don't know, but some smarter people
than me are challenging it in court and we're going
to see what happens. So we'll keep you posted on
that as well. You know, when we come back, we're
going to talk about a new website where you can
buy guns and an auction site, Yeah, a new one. Also,
(43:22):
we're gonna be visiting live with the executive vice president
of the National Rifle Association. Yeah, the slot that used
to be occupied by Wayne Lapierre or Wayne's gone, and
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You know this gun company, it's been around seems like
forever now and it hasn't been quite forever, but Ruger
is one of the major gun companies in the world.
And we're joining right now by the president and CEO
of Ruger Firearms to see for joinings us Todd, thanks
for being here.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Hey Tom, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Happy all right, weekend.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, thank you same to you. Nothing spooky about.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
This, right exactly?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
All right?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So you have been under what right at eight months
in the job? President and CEO? How's it going?
Speaker 6 (02:19):
You know what, It's going great, as you know, coming in.
I think it takes a little bit of time to
get your fet under you and spend some time with
the people and the leadership team, and spending time with
their factories and our customers and really understanding then what
the consumers ultimately are looking for. And that's what we've
been doing the last eight months, and I'm happy to
say we've got a lot of good things in progress.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Well, people should know that you're not new in the
firearms world. I mean you've been at Vista and your
Bushnell and your Magnum Research. I mean, you know the industry,
you know guns, you know the products. But Ruger's a
whole different deal man. You've got an incredible lineup and
you keep bringing out new guns. But it seems to me,
and this is where I'd like to ask you, we're
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in a flat period, man, the economy and everything else,
and gun sales are somewhere between flat and down.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
What are you seeing what's going on?
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Well, I think you're right. I think you know. I
have been in the business really since college, and so
I've been through the ups. I've been through the downs.
There's been a lot of them. As you know, there
never seems to be kind of steady state in the industry.
So what we're trying to do at Ruger is really
focus on a few simple things. It's our framework for
how we think about the business, and it's really about
(03:31):
profitable expansion, product innovation, and what we call agile responsiveness.
Really to your question around product innovation, what I've seen
over the years, Tom, is when the industry gets gets
flat to down, people are still looking for new and
different and it's our job as manufacturers to continue to
give those consumers a reason to buy. And that's what
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we're doing at Rubery. We're spending a lot of time
and effort right now on our R and D side
and investing in manufacturing to make sure that we can
continue to bring products to our customers that delight our
customers and they want to use in the field.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
All Right, I mean I understand new products. When you
say investing in manufacturing, what does that really mean?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Well, you know, as you know, Tom, we're we're made
in the USA. We have ten facilities for manufacturing gun
facilities in the United States of America, and so in
order to continue to be innovative and continue to be efficient,
we have to continually invest in those factories and that
means in our people, that means in our machines and
in our capex around new and better machines, And that
(04:37):
means from a from a sourcing standpoint, making sure that
we're on the cutting edge of making sure we have
the relationships with our vendors in the US to make
sure that we are getting what we need at the
right price. But ultimately, when we deliver a product to
our consumer, it's at the right price with the right
features and benefits that they're looking for that they can afford.
And I think right now affordability is something that is
(05:00):
paramount in this economy right now. Continue to give our
consumers something that is more than they would think for
the dollar, and that's what Ruger's trying to do right now.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, and I got to tell you that the r
exam which you did in collaboration with Magpool, exemplifies that.
I mean, it is a terrific pistol. I just don't
know that it's getting all of the attention that it deserves.
Every time I take it out, whether I've used it
in competition, I used it in daily carry. Every time
I shoot that pistol, it is just impressive.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
It's all get out yeah, I agree. It's been a
phenomenal launch for Ruger. And you know, the good news is,
Tom is we have more things coming up with the
r Exam and our partners at bankl that we're excited
about you'll be seeing here in the short term. We
believe that that pistol is defining for Ruger and we
need to continue to evolve that product category for Ruger
(05:53):
with new versions, new colors, new sizes, again back to
giving the consumer what they want. We're not done, and
I'm very excited about the next few months with what
we're gonna do with our exam.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, you know ideas. It's like everybody says, that's great,
Now do something else, right, right exactly, Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful.
But next week I want a new thing from you.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Yes, yes, we do. And that's and that is you know,
we just speaking of new We've got the relaunch of
the Glenfield brand.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
That's a great name from like the past in firearms,
and you bring out the Glenfield rifle, which you can
talk about price point.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
That's a heck of a nice bolt action rifle.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
It is, you know, for for for people like you
and Metown. I've been around a long time. We remember
Glenfield for some of the newer listeners. They might not,
but you know, it's an iconic brand that was actually
owned by Marlon and when we bought the assets to
Marrowlin out of bankruptcy, we actually got the Glenfield name,
and so we just relaunched that brand. And our whole
idea here is back to giving the cons or what
(07:00):
they need at every price point. And so we took
what we learned on the Gen one Ruger American the
first version, and we improved it and we tweaked that
rifle and we're going to launch it under the Gunfield
name and six calibers to start with, which are the
high running calibers that most new gun owners would prefer.
(07:22):
And so very excited. We're building guns as we speak,
and you'll start to see those showing up in retailers
here in the next week. And so we're very excited
about bringing another, you know, brand that's been around for
some time in the industry, that you know, hasn't seen
the light of day for thirty some years, and Ruger's
able to relaunch that brand. We're very excited about it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, you know, the Gen one American was really groundbreaking
because it was one of those people said, you know,
this rifle just shoots a whole lot better than it should.
And to be able to tweak that and bring it
out and give it a different name because you've got
of course people should. They probably are aware you do
have the Gen too Ruger American and you're expanding that
as well, right, that is correct.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
So we have been working really hard. When we talk
about an investment, Tom, you know, not all capacity for
rugers the same, and so we can't build the same
rifle on let's say the Marl line as we can
the Gentoo line, and so when we see opportunities like
the success of Gen two, we have to continue to
invest in our facilities and add capacity, and so we've
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been doing that over the last couple of years. And
we've got two new lines that are coming online, one
in our main and North Carolina facility and one on
our new Hampshire facility, and those lines are alive as
we speak, and we're starting to build guns. And because
of that, we have launched a few new versions of
the gent two rifle. We've never had a heavy barrel,
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tappered profile rifle and so that is the prairie rifle
that we just launched a few weeks ago, and so
you're going to start to see over the next really
four months, a number of new versions of the Gen
two right. I feel that Ruger just hasn't played with
before because we haven't had the stock profile to allow
us to change and do different barrels. And so we're
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going to get back to giving the consumer what they
want on making sure that we're covering all of our
bases in terms of what's out there and what's selling.
That is the work that our team has done really
the past twelve months to really focus in on what
are those skws in those product categories that we're missing
with Gen two and make sure that we roll those out,
and so we're rolling those out as we speak.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I love it because you get it, you know all
the time where people say, well, why don't you just
and then this I call it the handwaving thing. We'll
just do this thing and just do and then you say,
but you didn't have the stock profile to be able
to have the heavier barrel. I'm thinking that's one of
those deals where we say we just put a heavy
barrel on it and then you're thinking, you don't understand
what's involved in.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Something like that.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Yeah, it's a mold and those molds are very expensive,
and you know when you're starting when you know starting
it out. When when the Gen one started out, there
wasn't a lot of thought about how successful rifle is
going to be ten years ago, right, And so the
fourth thought on the Gen two was, let's make sure
that we build in the capacity and the capability within
the mold to have inserts so that we can do
both standard barrel tapers and heavy barrel tapers. And that's
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what the team did. So again back to if you
can think about it up front, you can build those
things in and that's what you know. There's a lot
of thought given to the Gen two rifle and where
it was when it first launched, but more importantly, where
it could evolve with then over the five year period.
And we're just a couple of years in and we've
got a long way to go. And so again back
to the team that we have and having the engineers
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that we have and the manufacturing engineers that we have,
and are people on our lines that understand how to
build bult action rifles. All that knowledge of Gen one
is what you're seeing in Gen two, and it's allowing
us to ramp up that line much faster than the
Gen one line.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Hey, Todd, I got a couple more questions. Can I
ask a favor? Can I run to a quick commercial
break and come back? Could you hold win us for
a little bit?
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Do you bet good deal? We're talking with Todd Sefert
here is the President's CEO. Ruger.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You've got a question. Bio means give me a call.
We'll get you in. But I have my own questions.
We'll get to those when we come back.
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Speaker 6 (13:21):
Hey Tom Rob Laith, i'man congratulations.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I can't believe it's lasted this long. And I also
can't believe you're still shooting low and left after all
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pull the trigger without moving. I'm trying rive, I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Trying welcome back. I'm Tom Grascha. If it's a gun Talk,
we're talking with Todd Seaffert. He is the president and
CEO of Ruger or Tome. Before we go any further ahead,
to at least just do a shout out to a
pistol you make that. I think people don't really understand.
Maybe they don't even know about the Ruger LCP, Max,
I think is one of the little hidden secrets when
it comes to Conceio Kerry. It's pocketable and you still
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got good sights on it and a good trigg And
I mean people, I take a look at that LCP, Max,
I don't think it's getting the credit.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
It deserves, you know, I think you're right. I think
everyone's so used to the LCP time they just they
stop looking in a sea of small pocket pistols. It's
one that gets overlooked. To your point, I was just
down with for those of you on the show that
I understand shooting Doug Kanic, best footer in the world,
and I was down down with him doing some training
up just a few weeks ago, and we spent some
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time on the range through all the pistols. And the
LCP Max is a great gun. It's on target quickly
and from a from a user perspective within ten yards.
You know, you don't need to be accurate at ten yards,
but it is and so performs well. It's optics ready, great, great,
great concealed care pistol.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Okay, I gotta ask you, And look, we've preface this
by saying, Ruger is one of the what two firearms
companies that's publicly traded.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I think it's two right now?
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Right, Yes, it's it's a Ruger and Smith and Lesson correct.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Okay, So publicly traded means you have restrictions on you
in terms of what you can say, because if you
say something that affects stock prices and the SEC comes
and wants to talk to you. Having said that, I
keep hearing rumors of Ruger getting back into shotguns. Anything
to that.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I would tell you Tom that we have been showing
some products to some of our customers, and you know,
it's our intention as Ruger to be a full line
firearms manufacturer, and to be full line firearms, you have
to be in shotguns. And so I would tell you
it's something we're looking at very hard and making sure
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that if we do it, we do it the Ruger way.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
That is the strongest non. Yes, yes, I ever heard.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
You like that.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I have well done all right.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Along of those lines, people are saying, well, ask about Bretta.
You can't talk about that right now.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
I gather no, you know what it's uh for those
that are interested, there's some information, uh based on what
we did uh before the last board being a few
weeks ago. But really we're you know, we are we
are doing what Ruger does, which is executing you know,
the back half of this year in the tough market,
and we're focused on running our business. You know, we're
(16:18):
a public company and there's a lot of people that
invest in our stock.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
It just happens to be that brothers one of them
right now, and so we we we like we like
to think that when a competitor invest in your business,
it means you're doing something right.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Okay, so let me ask you this.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
You're obviously bringing out new products, and you've got more products,
and you're cranking these things down at the same time,
how do you go about or what's your process for
looking back and saying, how do we make everything that
we're making better? How do we increase reliability and quality?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
That's a very good question, Tom, and the only way
to do it is to to have an intentional approach
to quality. And so, you know, one of the things,
having been in multiple manufacturing environments over in my past
twenty five years in manufacturing, I've seen what good looks like.
And so I'm a firm believer that you need to
have quality inspections in the facilities, and quality needs to
(17:18):
be able to override production if they see something wrong.
And so part of the evolution of what we're doing
at Ruger in our facilities is we are strengthening our
quality organization and we've elevated them within the facilities so
that if they see something happening on Aline, they actually
have now the authority to shut that line down. And
(17:39):
get the right people to that line to have a
conversation about what they see so that we fix it immediately.
And so that is something new that we instituted in
the facilities about just under sixty days ago. Tom, and
I will tell you that from a cultural perspective, it's
a big deal for quality to know that that's the
most important thing. Is powerful.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
We've got We've got to keep the lines runn We've
got to turn them out. We can't shut these things down.
And then you have somebody comes in and say, wait
a minute, it's not right. Shut it down now until
we get it fixed.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
That is right, Yep, it's uh. Listen, we have our
we have consumers that are that are spending their hard
earned dollars on our products, and we, as a manufacturer,
may need to make sure that when they get those
products it meets or exceeds their expectation. And so I
take that very seriously. Our two thousand employees here in
the US take that very seriously. And so we're on
a journey right now to make sure that everything we
(18:35):
put in a box, regardless of the price point, that
we are putting the best product forward that we can
so that when that consumer opens that box, it exceeds
the expectation that they have, and that takes a cultural
shift in some cases around making sure that we have
yes republic and we have to continue to make guns
and we have to ship so many per day, but
they have we can do that and do it with
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a quality product. And that's the message.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Okay, this topic of being publicly traded, you have stock
analyst on Wall Street who are looking at you and
looking at the quarterly return. So every three months they're saying,
what did you do this three month? Did you hit
your numbers?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And all of that.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's for me, I'm looking at it from the outside end.
That's going to make it a little bit difficult to
make one two five year plans.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
It is, Tom, I will tell you that I think
what Ruger has done really well over the long term
over the last twenty years is they've really been thoughtful
about the long term. And so yes, we have to
go out and report on the street every ninety days
what we did, but really where we are focused is
the long term. So what does our three to five
year plan to look like and what do we have
(19:40):
to do over the next three to five years to
hit our internal targets for growth and profitability, and we
may have some quarters that are softer than other quarters,
we may have some quarters that are stronger. But what
you'll see in the long term for Ruger is there's
consistency over time and that's what we're looking for. So, yes,
there is a you know, in some cases, ah, you know,
(20:03):
do you have to chase a quarter. That's not the
Ruger way. We need to do it right for the
long term. And if that means, you know, not every
quarter is perfect, that's okay, because ultimately we're looking at
the long term, not the short term.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
The other thing I've just got to tell you this
that we have not discussed this, but I am so encouraged.
I mean, Ruger has always been run by people who
are gun people who know guns, and you are the
next in that line of you're a gun guy, you've
been in the gun business, you understand it, you understand
you understand that your consumers are going to take that
gun apart and know everything about every part inside those firearms.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Absolutely, and that's you know, that's what I hope I
bring to this role is my passion for shooting and hunting.
You know, I grew up in the middle of Wisconsin
doing this. And you know, for me, as a fifteen
year old hunting deer in northeast Wisconsin or northwest Wisconsin,
to be sitting where I am today, you know at
Ruger is is a dream come true. And so I
take that dream very seriously. And so when I open
(21:00):
a Ruger box, it's the expectation of every consumer. That
is right and it's perfect right out of the box,
and that's what we strive for.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, all we're looking for is perfection, man, exactly. It's
not very hard, right, nothing to it. Todd. I appreciate
your time.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I appreciate what you're doing, you know, I mean, you're
doing great things, but I can see a steady rise
and improvement and you know, new products along the way.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Congrats, Thanks Tom.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I appreciate it. It's it's it's not me, it's the team.
And we've got a great team at Ruger, and I'm
really happy that we're you know, we're moving in the
right direction as a company. And that's that's all you
can do for the long term.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Right there, it is there, it is Todd Seaford, President
CEO of Ruger.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
Thank you, sir, thanks, Tom, having a good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You bet alrighty our number is eighty sixty six.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Talk Gun Coming up, We're going to do a kind
of a modified range report. We're going to do a
follow up where a fella who was on the show
a little while ago. He's all of twelve years old now,
one of the first people I think maybe to take
a trophy animal with his gun Talk Rifle.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
We have that one.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Also, we're gonna have Larry Victors, the head of the NRA,
coming out. It's going to be a great all right,
you're back with you. I want to do a follow
up here. You remember, oh, a couple of months ago,
I guess now, we had a young man on and
he had just gotten the new GT. Thirty rifle, and
(22:35):
basically the plan was to go deer hunting. Well, we
got Oliver on the line now right now, Hey, Oliver,
how are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I am great? All right? First, give people some little background.
How old are you?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I am twelve years old?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Okay, you're twelve, good deal. And this was your first
deer hunt, right yep, my first year hunt. And I
guess let's go to the bottom line first, you got
yourself a deer. Yep, all right, So tell me about
the hunt.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
How did it go?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
This is an Idaho for people who don't know, and
you're using the three or eight version of the gun
Talk rifle, the g T thirty, So tell me about
this hunt.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
We woke up at like four thirty. We got ready,
then we went over to my dad's friend's house to
pick him up. He was our guide the pretty much
the entire time. We got to the place at.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
About like eight ish and just about sunrise, and we
started climbing a hill. It was a big hill.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Idaho has a lot of big hills. And you're wearing
your backpack and you're carrying your rifle.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Huh, Well, I wasn't carrying the rifle.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Oh is your dad carrying your rifle for you?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Good, that's good, good use of him.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
We saw a few doz just crossing a ridge while
we were climbing up the hill. But then once we
got to the top of it, it was evened out
quite a bit, so it was just a lot easier hike.
And we went up to some ridges and in almost
every single one we would see either the same dear
or some different ones.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Were you seeing any bucks?
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, we saw a couple.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Okay, good deal.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
We got to the last ridge and we saw a
nice little spike. We got the gun set up and
I took a first shot. It was a little low.
It went over to behind a tree and laid down. Well,
I sat at it again. I think the second one
was a miss. We saw its head pop up and
then it ran. Oh boy, it ran to a hillside
(24:32):
and then it stopped and looked at us for a sec.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
And in that moment I just drilled it. Perfect shot.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Oh man? So how far was that shot?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think it was about like one twenty or something?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Okay, one hundred and twenty yards? And were you using
a rest or, a tripod or anything?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Bipod a bipod?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Okay, good deal.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So tell me o our the difference between shooting that rifle,
because it's kind of a short barrel rifle and pretty loud,
the difference between shooting it before you put the pressure
on and then having the suppressure on.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Was that more enjoyable?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, it was a lot more enjoyable.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
The first time I saw it, it was indoors, so
it was automatically more loud. I was kind of scared
to shoot it for a while, but then once I
got the supressor, I'm like, whoa, this is nothing.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, it just makes it a whole lot more fun
to shoot.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
So now that you've got the suppressor, you're able to
go out and do more practice because it's just going
to be a lot more fun to shoot. And I
will tell you, the more you shoot it, the better
you get. And doing a lot of dry firing makes
a huge difference. To just get practice, you know, pressing
that trigger and if you do that, like hundreds and
(25:52):
thousands of times, the next time you get on a deer,
it'll be automatic and you used to won't worry about it.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
You'll shoot much better. Next time.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
You're gonna get a chance to think about this hunt
a lot. Well, Oliver, thank you for taking time to
share your story. Thank your dad. I had a lot
of fun being part of this story. And congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Congratulations on free train.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, freight train was a hood and a half. In fact,
we had freight train sausage for breakfast this morning.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
All right, thanks Oliver, I appreciate that, sir. All right,
don't go far we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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they had the folks from colt In and they did
the Cult Experience where people could come in and shoot
these cool ninety eleven pistols with optics on them, and
they had the Cult shooting team in there. And you
had the Jay Least and Justine Williams, the Williams sisters
had Wyatt Gibson, had Mark reddle great instructors and along
with Chris Rino of course from Range Ready Studios.
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Just happened.
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They were there over Halloween and one day people showed
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wearing a nineteen eleven and out shooting everybody.
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Because these two I keep wanting to call them girls.
They're not girls.
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I've known them since they were like in the early teens,
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They're just out shooting everybody. Was talking to Ryan after
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We're just for fun.
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We'd set up because Halloween, set up lollipops and he said, well,
we can shoot those. They set them up kind of
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and a half across something like that, and he said,
I'm thinking, and try and say I'm thinking, and you
know it's going to be like okay, drawing shoot bang
bang bang, knocking me's down. He says, oh no, no, no, no, no.
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He says, these guys are the cult team. It's like
draw bang bang bang bang bang, dorow gone done. And
then to make it more interesting for this this is
what he does. Chris Reno takes one of his big
lollipops and just turns it sideways. Now you're not hitting
the big surface. You got to hit it edgewise, and
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of course because everybody loves Chris, and as I explained Chris,
it's kind of an acquired taste.
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But he's fine.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Uh And he's just a big old teddy Bearry sounds
gruff on the range, but he's really not. I guess
like maybe a half a dozen people showed up for
class that day and their Halloween costume was Chris Serno.
They dressed like Chris, so they were having a great time.
And obviously you have great food because it's Louisiana, so
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Folks who are taking the class.
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Not only were the pistols provided, and the optics provided,
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At the end of the class they got to keep everything.
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Yeah, the AMA was provided, so didn't get to keep
back because they shot it we went down range, but
they kept the holsters, the magpouches, the pistol, and the
red Dot site as well as some other swag that
came away with very cool stuff.
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I have a lot of fun down there.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
If you are interested in taking one of these classes,
you can go to range Ready Studios dot com. Or
go to gun talk dot com sign up to get
the email list, because some classes don't sell out real quickly,
and some sell out very fast, something like the cold class.
I think it's sold out in a week or so.
If you wait until you go online and look at
(32:54):
the website to see what's being offered, it's liable to
have already sold out. If you are on the email list,
you will get an email of hey, we're having this
class and if you want to sign up you can,
so just kind of food for thought.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
There had an interesting conversation with and look, I.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Get it, and we'll have a discussion just a'll get
connected at some point when I get my brain together.
A little bit later in the show, we're going to
talk about nineteen eleven's and where they are in the
realm of self defense guns. Are they a real choice
or are they a silly historical affectation. But I'm having
a custom nineteen eleven built because it makes no sense.
(33:40):
And yeah, it costs about four times what a very
nice nineteen eleven would cost from a factory. And that
makes no sense except that I've always wanted to do it.
And you know what I've said in the past, is.
People have come to me for years and said, you know,
I've always wanted to fill in the blank. You know,
(34:00):
when when I'm flying my flying people say, you know,
I've always wanted to learn to fly. Uh huh.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I've always wanted to go to gun site for a class.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Uh huh. I've always wanted a really nice pistol, rifle,
shot good, whatever it is.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
And I've always said that I consider that to be
kind of a sad refrain, because if it's one of
those things you've always wanted to do, why not get
started making it happen.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
So that's where I am now, It's I get it.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
It makes no sense whatsoever to have a custom made
nineteen eleven put together for you, except I just wanted.
I'm getting Bill Offfradge at Southern Slide to build me
a gun, and it, you know, it sounds more like
a prison sentence. It's like, you know, X number thousands
of dollars and six months or something like that. I'm
not sure exactly when it's one of those. It'll be
(34:57):
ready when it's ready, right, and when it is, it'll
be really nice. And yes, I'm gonna have to sell
some other guns to pay for it.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I'm kind of at that stage where I'm thinking, yeah,
it makes sense. Really, I got some guns. I just
don't shoot anymore. And if honestly, if a gun's been
sitting in the safe for five, ten, fifteen years without
being shot, it needs to find another home. And I mean,
(35:29):
unless you're a collector, I am not. I only have
guns for shooting. I don't have guns that I don't shoot.
I don't do the collecting thing. Not that there's anything
wrong with that.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
It's cool. If that's what you want to do, that's good.
It's just not my thing. I like guns for shooting.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
I was a little torn, and I went with the
forty five ECP for the new nineteen eleven. Could have
would have should have who knows, goneimeter Maybe that would
have been smarter.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
I could argue either way. I can't say that one
is better than the other. In this case, I guess
you could say, well, this is more classic. But I
do like shooting a nine milimeters nineteen eleven. What is
it about the nineteen eleven? Their trim They fit my
hand and I like the trigger at the same time,
(36:24):
and we'll talk about this a little bit later. It
might not be the right pistol for a lot of people.
It may not be the right pistol for most people, frankly,
because you could get a plastic fantastic out of the box.
It'll shoot for fifty one hundred thousand rounds struck a
fired pistol that.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
You don't have to do anything to I mean, basically,
keep it clean, keep it lubed, and keep it fed.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
That's really all you have to do with those, whereas
the nineteen eleven requires a little bit more attention. Do
you get more out of it if you do that?
Who knows, I don't know. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on. We have a conversation with Larry
Vickers about that, which interesting conversation. I was able to
grab him a couple of days ago. And if you
(37:11):
know the name of Larry Vickers, you know why it's
going to be interesting. If you don't, you got a
chance to look him up before we get to that interview,
because a fascinating guy with what two decades of experience
in Delta Force going around the world and doing those
interesting things that they do. So that's very interesting. We also,
we're going to have the head of the NRA here
(37:33):
for too long. It's some interesting things going on there.
They're if you're a now, remember you know we've heard
of the American Rifleman magazine and the American Hunter Magazine,
and they've got I think two other magazines. It may
(37:53):
not be completely accurate to say they're all going away,
but two of them are going away, and two of
them are kind going away.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
We'll have more details about that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
As a magazine guy, I grew up my dad was
a magazine writer for decades. I was a magazine writer
for decades. I was a magazine editor. I edited many
of the major outdoor and gun magazines for years and years.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I love magazines.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I hate to see it, to see this, and at
the same time I completely understand it. We'll talk about
that as we go along.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Here.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
We're basically open lines.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
If you'd like to join us, give me a shout
eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. If
you had a chance to talk to a CEO of
a gun company and say, this is what I would
love to have you guys bring out.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Now, what's the next thing? What would you tell them?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
What would you ask gun companies to make these days.
I have an idea or two. I'm sure they're working
on other things we don't know. Call me in, let
me know what you're thinking. You know, something I wonder
about is how many people don't really understand that if
(39:15):
you want the bullet to go faster, all you have
to do is pull the trigger harder. Right, let's go
to the phones. Matthew is in Mierie, Louisiana. Matthew, you
got a range report for us, Yes.
Speaker 12 (39:31):
An actual range. I was range just to check it out.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Didn't get a.
Speaker 12 (39:35):
Chance to actually shoot it because I didn't load up
my car full.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Of goodness.
Speaker 12 (39:42):
Tried to go to work. So it's the cut Off
Shooting Complex in cut Off, Louisiana, Okay. And I have
a rifle range that I swear looks like it's almost
a mile. I'm sure it's not, but it's really long.
They say it's eight hundred yards, so I'm like, I'll
(40:03):
take a word on it. The benches they have covered
shooting benches covered from the rain. And they have a
crystal range with steel targets and plate targets, and that's
completely separate from the rifle range. And it looks like
(40:24):
about fifty yards, and they wrecked machine guns and regularly.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
And the berm at the end of the rifle range
is actually a levee for the Mississippi River.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Oh okay, I did not know that, because here's a
weird one for you.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Why are there shooting and you look up and there's
a huge ship going by past the end of the.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
Shooting range down there.
Speaker 12 (40:55):
Yeah, do not shoot that.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Do not shoot the ship. But yeah, I was doing
a thing.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
We were doing some video there with Rob Latham when
he was we were doing some stuff with Springfield Armory,
and we were taking the ten million of pistols and
we were shooting steel at three hundred yards with nineteen
eleven pistols ten million pistols. It was so much fun.
I mean, we had the whole range to ourselves. We
could do goofy stuff like that.
Speaker 12 (41:23):
So that's that sounds interesting. I wish i'd seen that video.
So there's something else. Was thinking about it and doing
some deep thinking about it, and I've come to exclusion,
we're not going to get much further with the NFA.
Where might get short batrel rifles and saw off shotguns,
(41:45):
but we're not gonna get much further. And that's because
the people who invest in politics are now terrified that
the left has discovered guns and they're using them.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Well, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I would
probably just disagree somewhat because I just think that the
powers that be are never going to say, yeah, common
people should be able to have machine guns.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
I mean not that you can't.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
You can own a machine gun now, it's just that
they're very expensive because they got limited to nineteen eighty six.
We can't own anything made after nineteen eighty six. If
we remove that, I think it's a huge, huge amendment,
then we at least we could get more affordable machine guns.
But in terms of getting rid of the NFA altogether,
I don't know that that's gonna happen, although although we've
(42:37):
got this lawsuit going on right now and challenging the
NFA because it's a tax, and if they've removed the
two hundred dollars tax on suppressors and machine I guess
machine guns too, then does it actually exist anymore legally?
If the NFA, the National Fireings Act, was in fact
(42:58):
passed as a tax and now the tax is gone,
is there any basis for there to be a National
Firearms Act, Well, I don't know, but some smarter people
than me are challenging it in court and we're going
to see what happens. So we'll keep you posted on
that as well. You know, when we come back, we're
going to talk about a new website where you can
buy guns and an auction site, Yeah, a new one. Also,
(43:22):
we're gonna be visiting live with the executive vice president
of the National Rifle Association. Yeah, the slot that used
to be occupied by Wayne Lapierre or Wayne's gone, and
the good guys are in and they're trying to clean
up a mess that's worse than they thought. We'll have
the details
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