In This Hour:
-- Pulitzer Prize winning author Stephen Hunter announces his latest novel, and this time it's a western!
-- Tom Gresham goes moose hunting and takes on a bull known as "Freight Train."
-- President Trump blocks a Biden-era ban on exporting guns ... a move that was designed to cripple the firearms industry.
Gun Talk 10.05.25 Hour 1
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-- Pulitzer Prize winning author Stephen Hunter announces his latest novel, and this time it's a western!
-- Tom Gresham goes moose hunting and takes on a bull known as "Freight Train."
-- President Trump blocks a Biden-era ban on exporting guns ... a move that was designed to cripple the firearms industry.
Gun Talk 10.05.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
For thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
All right, let's do this thing again. Hey, I'm Tom Gresham.
Glad that you could be with us. Hey, I'm glad
I could be here. Had a great week. I got
to tell you more about that. Of course I went
on my moose hunt. We have details about that version
is yes, it was successful, but there's more to the
story than that, and a lot of things we need
to talk about this week. The Supreme Court just accepted
(01:10):
a Second Amendment case, which is big deal. This is
a really big deal about conceal care. We've got the
Department of Justice getting involved insuing a sheriff's department because
it's dragging its heels and won't issue carry permits. And
the longstanding ban on having a gun on post office
property is gone for some people with certain restrictions sometimes
(01:33):
in some places. Yeah, we're gonna have all these details
as we come up. Also, we're gonna be talking about
marine scout snipers, and of course we'll take your calls
and comments and range reports. What have you been out shooting?
What guns have you been buying? In Heaven forbid if
you ever got rid of one, But if you sold one,
I want to know what it is. Also, i'd love
(01:54):
to know which one you let go sometime in the past,
which you know you're thinking about it now and going, yeah,
we should let that one go. We all have a
couple of those. But first I want to bring in
our friend of ours. He's been here many times before.
He is a best selling author of Port Surprise Winner,
the author of Point of Impact on a dozen plus
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books and novels. After that, Steven Hunter joined us right now. Hey, Steve,
how you doing.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I'm doing fine style. I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh, we're glad to have you. You are I mean,
and you know I have been a fan of yours
from the very beginning. I got a question for you.
Where are you hanging your hat these days?
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I'm sorry, I say that again.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Please, where are you living these days?
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I lived in Baltimore. I'm sitting down from the television set,
which I have just turned off. I've been watching the
Baltimore Ravens get their teeth kicked in by the Houston Texans.
And I watch a lot of sports. I watch sports
on TV. I shoot a lot, I write books, and
(02:59):
I go to bitterly.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
There you go. You probably more than life. It is
more than anybody I know. You get guns right in
your novels, and you know you started off doing that
and it just got better and better. But even the
very first, well, I guess point of Impact was the first.
Was there one before Point of Impact?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Now, there were several books without Bobby Swagger. The very
first one was called The Master Sniper, and I was
set in World War Two, which I just think just
the drama and the passion and the spectacle of World
War Two is ubsess me my whole life. And I
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love to go back to World War Two. And that
book was my first expression of that. And a Point
of Impact I think was my fifth book. Okay, And
when I started, I had no idea that I would
end up writing all these books about a West arcas
Alpha Male. I'd only been to Arkansas once in my life,
(04:05):
but it just took off. It achieved its own life
all these years later. And if I may issue one direction,
it's not more than a dozen. It's more than two dozen. Oh,
in fact, it's almost thirty.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Holy kay. I actually remember reading Master Sniper when I
was commuting into DC back in nineteen seventy nine, and
I thought, who is this guy who's writing this. He's
getting things right about guns and that's unusual. And that's
what first turned me on to Steven Hunter and what
you do. And for those who probably are thinking, wait
a minute, I know that name, I know those stories.
(04:40):
I know Bobley's Swagger. They've seen the movie, they've seen
the series. I mean, so it's not just books that
you're out there in various forms. But here's my question
for you. You started with the Bobbley Swagger, and then
you got Earl Swagger, and now you've got this brand
new book it's going to be coming out in about
ten days called The Gunman Jackson's Swagger. Who is Jackson Swagger?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Jackson Swagger would be bob Lee Swagger's great great grandfather.
The setting of the book is eighteen ninety seven Arkansas.
I'm sorry, Arizona. Eighteen ninety seven is a very interesting
year in the gun world because you had the old cults,
you had the old revolvers, you had the arrival of
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plot powder, you had the beginning infiltration of semi automatic pistols,
and of course, I'm very happy to report you had
the busy cult. And one of the reasons I wrote
this for Gobby, honest with you is that I love Bisley's.
I just love the way they look and the way
they feel. I've got several. I love to take them
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to the rage. I've got actually, I take an imitation
Busley to the rage, and they're just gorgeous guns. And
I wanted to give the hero, actually I wanted to
give him Bisley's, and so he gets through his adventures
on Disley. He is Bob's great great grandfather. And I
(06:10):
should also add, just to get baby people chalivating a little.
By eighteen ninety seven, we also had maxim machine guns.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Ooh ooh, okay, so you know you, yeah, what were thing?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
We had your rid of smoke with powder, which began
in the early eighteen nineties, and of course, the first
gun manufacturing with smokeless powder for smokeless powder was the
Winchester eighteen ninety four, and there's plenty of those at
play in this book.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And is this sounds? And this is I think this
is your first Western, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It is? Yes, it is. And if you want to
ask the next logical questions why did you write a Western?
I can sell it up very quickly in two words,
glock fatigue. I just got so sick and tired of
books about young men's with radio men with radios in
(07:13):
their ears and microphones in front of their face, carrying
blocks and kicking down doors. I mean, that seems to
dominate the thriller world now, and I felt I've probably
written some books like that too, And I just I
yearned to get back to the old simple days. Not
(07:34):
really simple, that's not quite the right word, because of course,
the Westerns weren't simple, and they weren't black and white.
They were very profound and moving and a stimulating American
art form, and I wanted to get back to that.
And for several reasons. The first is it was fun.
(07:57):
It was so much fun writing this book recreate those
landscapes and try to recreate that language and the men's
relationship with their horses. Fortunately, my daughter is an accomplished
horsewoman and she gave me a lot of advice. So
I think I got the horse stuff, you know, pretty
(08:18):
much right. I just had the great fun. But there's
a deeper meaning here. I just want to tip you off,
and that is, as you know, our culture is under attack,
and it's not just guns. I think it's masculinity. And
the way you destroy a culture is you destroy its myths,
(08:39):
you destroy its traditions, you destroy its it's totems, destroy
the way it looks, the way it feels. And one
of the points of this book is to restore an
iconic figure to the cultural landscape, and that would be
(08:59):
the righteous gouvernment. I mean, we've had, you know, the
righteous government, John Wayne being number one on that list,
But we've had righteous government dominating our match, our culture
for forty years. And I very much Bobby Swagger as
a righteous government. But he's in a different world and
(09:21):
he knows that the winds of change are blowing against him.
But I wanted to write a book which was set
in a world where a righteous government could do the
right thing and bring justice to corruption and Britain, vengeance
to his own personal life, and do all those things.
(09:46):
That's what I tried to do.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Well, yeah, what we've got here, We've got a book
with the good guys, with revolvers, with lever actions and
with maxim machine guns. I don't know how you have
any more fun than that.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I don't know how you could have more book than that.
I know I didn't have any more one than that.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well. The book is titled The gun Man Jackson Swagger.
It'll be out in about a week and a half.
You can preorder it everywhere now. It's by Steven Hunter. Steve,
thank you so much for your time, and thank you
so much for sharing your talent with all of us.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Oh well, you know, it's been so much fun for me.
I've had a great life and I hope to continue it.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
I hope I never done well.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I hope so too, and I hope you keep writing
because well I love the books. Man. Look, we'll get
you back on here soon. Thank you so much, my friend.
All righty eight six six talk gone. I'm Tom Gresham.
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Speaker 6 (13:02):
I just want to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years
on air. Gun Talk has proven to be a phenomenal
source for Second Amendment education, and here's hoping that Tom
continues to educate us for years to come.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate that our number here
is eighty six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
You're welcome to give me a shout. We're gonna be
open lines for quite a while here, but you have
some guests lined up for later on in the show,
and we've got some news that we'll be breaking. We've
got this story about the court ruling that you'll be
able to carry a gun into a US post office,
but only if you're a member of certain groups and
(13:38):
only in certain post offices. There's a lot of details here,
so don't go rushing off and doing something before you're
fully informed. We got the Supreme Court has agreed to
take and listen to and give us a decision eventually
on a gun rights case, a second memic case. That's
a big deal. A lot of things going on, and
(13:58):
we'll be talking a little bit later in the show
about a memorial for Marine scout snipers. Pretty cool deal.
But first off, I want to tell you about what
happened on my mouse hunt. You knew that I was
going been kind of leading up to this for quite
a while. So we headed up to North Idaho last
(14:22):
week and this three point thirty eight out six improved
rifle that I've been really wanted to take on the
hunt started acting up before the hunt, and I figured
out that there was something screwed with the chamber, and
I set it off to Outcast Arms. That's with a
ko Utkast. They're the folks who used to be at
(14:45):
Melvin Forbes Ultra Light Arms and New Ultra Light Arms
doing a great job. And if you have any work
that needs to be done outcast arms, they just do
a super job. Well, they took it in and did
a rush job on it and got it back to
me two days before I was leaving on the hunt,
ran out, I worked out some loads, ran out and
shot it, got it on and took it up there
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news the three thirty eight six, which was great because
I'm thinking the moose is a big critter. Right as
it turned out, details to come, it really wouldn't have
mattered a whole lot the way the thing Haull worked out.
So I ended up. You know, we'll give it the
uh bottom line up front, the bluff. Yes, I did
(15:30):
get a moose. I got a moose known as freight train.
There aren't many times you get a critter that has
a name, and this one was known as freight train.
I'll tell you why. Now you know that Mike by
hunting Body and Eye both put in for the moose permit.
The moose tag got a four percent chance of getting
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and so it's very slim, and we thought, oh we'll
put it in. Maybe one of us will get drawn.
We both got drawn. It's crazy, we both got drawn.
So Mike went up there first and he hunted around
for a week or so with his lovely wife Andrea,
and he got a moose and the two of them,
I don't know how the two of them got it
cut up and into the truck. And then Mike and
Andrea and our other couple that hunts with us, Brad
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and Monique. We all went up, all five of us.
It's a team effort, and boydy, that turned out to
be a good thing because you need a team once
you get a moose down. So when Mike and Andrea
were up there, and they were sleeping in the back
of their truck at one place, kind of biv whacking
and had the back end open. One night, they're sleeping
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there and they hear this crashing and thumping and moose grunting,
and they can tell the bull moose and it gets
closer and closer and louder and louder. They said it
sounded like a freight train. And turned on the light
and there's this bull moose right there, and they got
a pretty good look at it, and so they called
him freight train. They sounded like a freight train. So
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we went up there. We runted all over and looked
here there, and drove around and walked here and went
all over the place, and toward the end of the day,
Mike says, well, why don't we go back to where
we saw a freight train? Okay, I don't know. I mean,
he's the guide kind of sort of he's been up there.
That's basically somebody's been up there but ends up being
the guide for your hunt or your friend. So we're
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driving down the road to where they were camping, and
we're I don't know, twenty yards from where they camped.
He looks over his shoulder goes, there's freight train. What
I look over my shoulder and there's this massive bull
moose standing off in the bushes. So we kept driving,
kept you know, we parked over there and got out,
walked over and looked up this trail away from the
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road there, and there's this huge bull moose. Now I'm
looking at him, and my problem is I haven't looked
at a lot of Idaho moose. And of course you
may know, this is a sheerers moose. It's a subspecies.
The Alaska Yukon moose are much bigger, much bigger antlers,
and these are smaller antlers, and so I'm judging this
one based on Alaska Yukon because I used to live
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up there, and thinking, well, it's not that big, and
Mike saying, he's pretty good. Okay, Well I'm going to
pass on him. He said, well, okay, whatever you want
to do. He's about twenty yards away, and so I've
got the gun up, I've got the crosshairs on him,
I've got the safety off. I mean, this is this
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is a nothing burger shot. And I decide not to
shoot him. So, okay, safety back on. Okay. Then Brad
Mooney come up and he said, what happens? We told him?
Bras says, well, let's go up Let's go up there
and look at him. So we keep walking up there
and it sounds like he's running away. I said, no,
I don't think he's running away. I think he's thrashing bushes.
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He's crashing and thrashing. He's in rut and he's just
tearing things up. So we go a little further and
Mike says, there he is. And Brad says, oh, wow,
that's a good one. I said, guys, I can't see
him goose. The difference between standing two feet apart. Mike
can see him and I cannot. He's behind a bush
for me. He said, step over here, So I step over,
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and now I can see this moose in his head,
and the antlers have going ooh, and they're geting, yeah,
this is a good one. They're telling me, hey, that
that's a really good one. So all I can see
is the head. I can't see the body at all.
Fifty yards. He's standing on a trail. I'm thinking, okay,
I thought about this because it's very steep. I don't
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want him to run off. I don't want me to
go down the hill where it'd be really hard to
get him up there. So I'm on three power, put
the rifle to his shoulder, flipped safety off, and I
shot him the only shot I had, which is right
in the head. He went down like you had dropped
a Sherman tank on top of him, straight down, thank goodness,
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into the trail and got up there and the boy
had gone right through the top of his head, actually
hit one of the antlers on the way out, And
because it's just a smart thing to do, put a
finishing shot in him and said, okay, that's that's done.
And he's huge me. Mike said, he's fifty percent larger
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body than mine. He said, he said, if I had
shot that moose, the two of us would never have
been able to get him out of here. And so
now we've got Mike and Andrea and Bread and Monique,
and before I know it, it looks like a team
of ninjas with knives have popped out and they all
have their knives out and they all take a corner
of this mooth and just start going at him, and
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they're peeling skin back and everything else. And I'm like, whoa,
it's just crazy as this team of meat cutters going
at it. And it starts raining, and it gets dark,
and it's like all the stuff that happens. And we're
about two hundred yards from the truck, and as we
get a piece cut off, we take it down. The
hind quarter is so head so big that even the
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strongest of us, which is Brad, can't pick it up
and carry it. So we put it into a huge
canvas bag and make a drag bag out of it
to get it down the trail. We're talking one hundred
pounds plus for the hind quarter anyway. But the long
story of it all is that when I get to
the butcher, any weighs that don't and we're talking about
just meat on bone here, four hundred and twenty pounds,
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four hundred and twenty pounds by the time we're done
with the butcher, and maybe close to three hundred pounds
packaged meat, vacuum sealed, ready to go. Yesterday we had
a little bit of Mike's little sample of his moose,
made it up into burger delicious. Moose is just delicious,
very mild, not at all like deer or elk. I
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don't think it's much closer to being beef or really
good beef. So we're pretty excited about the whole thing.
So the moose hunt worked out. Freight train met a
noble end, and he's going to go into our freezer
and he's going to feed us for a probably more
than a year. I'd a lot of meat. As my
wife said, a pound a day is all we asked.
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You know, we got three hundred plus pounds of meat.
We got a year to eat it all. So a
pound a day, there you go. So there you go.
That is the saga of freight Train and the three
thirty eight out six. It was a great time. Hey,
call me with your story. We're looking for a range
of parts eight and sixty six talk guns a last
(22:36):
for freight train. We knew him. Well, can you call
Tom talk Gun. That's the number here. Mark called in
out of Illinois. Hey, Mark, what's on your mind? Sir?
Speaker 10 (22:49):
Yeah, I bought a Henry. It's in three point fifty seven.
It's so long as the twenty Inspira with the you know,
the two that comes out, and it's got the loading
gate and standard wood furniture on it. And I took
it in the back of the range started shooting it.
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And it does it with any do it with two
different brands of jacketed soft point, with American Eagle or
with mag Tech one fifty eight grain jacketed softpoint. It
doesn't do it with the normal full metal jacket. The
what happens is maybe about every third or fourth round
when you when you shoot it, when you lever it,
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the round comes out of the tube into where the
loading gate should lift it up, and instead what happens
is the load the loading gate stays down. The thing
is supposed to lift up stays down, and the round
goes right back down into the tube. When you push
the lever forward and then you can't get the lever
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to raise the thing up to go into the chamber.
When I whenever I've reached in and manually pulled the
cartridge out, then the next thing it happens is around
the next round. Then the tube comes flying out of
the tube hits and it goes right out of the
goes right out of the ejection for it.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But now, and you're saying it does that with the
lead pointed bullets, but not with full metal jacket. I'm
hearing that right now.
Speaker 11 (24:27):
The guy at the gunshot thought maybe I was short
stroking it. But if that were the case, it shouldn't
matter what AMMO you're using.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Well, maybe maybe it's not unusual, or maybe I should
say it's not inconceivable that the lead exposed at the
front of the bullet is a little stickier, if that
makes me sense, It doesn't slide as much, and maybe
that you really need to work on having a very
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forceful downwards stroke and forward stroke of the lever and
see if you can address it that way. If not, Honestly,
I kind of think my next move might be to
contact Henry because it's not like a twenty two where
you say, well, just use a different kind of AMMA.
You want to be able to use, you know, lead
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front expanding AMMO in that rifle.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Right, absolutely, I mean I got it because I like
I like rifles that shoot three fifty seven, right, I mean,
I have no problem with my Rossie. It just feeds
and fires everything. The marlins sometimes jam when the round
is trying to go into the chamber.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
But.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
And that would be more likely right.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Back into the tube.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, that's weird. It's more likely to get some kind
of a jam if the lead's galling on something as
it's trying to go into the chamber. But what you're
describing is something different. I would try this kind of
borrowing what the gun shop said, try really being forceful
and deliberate about how you work the action and see
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if it takes care of it that way. And yet
even if it does, honestly, even if it does, you
may still think, well, but that's not quite good of it.
Out of work anyway, I'm leaning towards saying, yeah, probably
ought to contact Henry and saying, hey, guys, this is
what's going on. What do we need to do, and
see what they say and My guess is they're gonna say, hey,
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send it back, let us take a look at it. Okay,
you know, I mean, they're gonna take care of it.
It's a good company, it's good American company, and they'll
take care of it. It's just one of those if
it's starting to bother you. Now, generally guns don't heal themselves,
then I would send them. You know, try whatever you want,
(26:49):
but I think the pathway is leading you toward you're
gonna have to contact Henry and let them take care
of it for you. I appreciate the call, sir. We
got time. Let's get Joe in here. All in life
three out of Jefferson, Texas. Hey Joe, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Hey Tom, I'm suffering from the two eighty four Winchester
Amo dilemma.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Ah A a fellow in the two eighty four camp.
I love the cartridge and I hate the cartridge, So
go ahead, Roger that.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I was on AMO seek this morning and I found
a company out of Las Vegas that is advertising from
ammunition called Venturial Munitions. I've never heard of them, and
I wonder if you might happen to know anything about them.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I don't I looked them up when I saw the
note on my screen, and I see that they do
have one hundred and thirty nine grain bullet loaded. I
don't know venture, I don't know anything about them. Now.
Are you aware that HSM Ammunition has two eighty form also?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yes, I've reached out to them, sent them an email
a couple of months ago, and they currently do not
have any stock. They said that they're having trouble getting
brass and that they would get back to me, but
I have not not received any contact back from them yet.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Well, you have run some mac dab into the issue
with the two eighty four Winchester, which is it really
has become a handloader's cartridge. I don't know if you handload.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
I've got my dad's equipment. I've never loaded around in
my life. I originally got gifted the Hornity loaded Manuel
of the eleventh edition, and I've also got my dad's
old nineteen sixty three edition Hornity loading manuals.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Another.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
I just I haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
There's another place for you to take a look. Hinder Shots.
They have custom loaded ammouh, I got I just thought
of another one too, Okay, I got two for you
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I just remembered I just heard from Richard Mann who
likes the two eighty four also, and I looked it
up and Federal Federal Cartridge is offering custom loaded AMMO
now and one of their offerings is two eighty four Winchester.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I like that. You are look how to contact Federal
and I'll make a note of hinder Shots and reach
out to both of those.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Just a second, I'm looking up Federal Custom. Yeah, Federal
premium custom shops center fire loaded ammunition. You got to
put to the custom stuff. But they have two eighty four.
As you might expect. It's not inexpensive, but it's gonna
be good. And between hinter Shots and Federal, I think
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you're gonna find what you're looking for.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
I do appreciate the information.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Tom, you bet you. I wish you're luck with it.
Take care. Yeah, the two eighty four Winchester great cartridge,
but it kind of got abandoned. There's not a lot
of sources for loaded AMMO, and like I say, for
most of us, it's become a handloading proposition. So what's
on your mind? What have you been shooting, where are
you buying? And if you have a problem with a
gun or something, give me a call. I probably don't
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know the answer, but I'll make up something like I
always do. Be right back.
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Okay, this is a bizarre story. This one's breaking right now.
Former New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez. It appears I
don't know if he was on something, what was going on,
but middle of the night body slams an elderly grease
(33:25):
truck driver in an alley, acting erradically. The grease truck driver,
I guess, pepper sprayed Sanchez trying to get him off
of him. That didn't work, so the guy ended up
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stabbed Mark Sanchez, the former Jets quarterback, several times Sanchez
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is thirty eight, to get him off of him. Sanchez
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the quarterback, the thirty eight year old was charged with
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motor vehicle, and the sixty nine year old truck driver
(34:12):
who stabbed him was not, at least to this point,
not charged. A knife used in self defense the truck
driver clearly, I mean, he couldn't have his gun in
New York, but he had pepper spray and had a
knife and as we say, and a will to live
(34:35):
and put it into practice. Holy cow. I got an
email from a listener. He's called in a few times
and it's involved, but I want to read part of it.
It's a range of port but it's one of those
who think, wow, that's really good stuff. He's been hearing
(34:57):
me talk about carrying the tourniquet and to stop the
bleed program, on how everybody needs a med kid and
everybody needs to be able to stop bleeding. And so
he went to his local shooting club, the Callous Rotten
Gun Club in down East Maine, and wanted to have
a class. He approached everybody hospital's EMS police. He says,
(35:19):
nobody had ever done any classes, didn't have to stop
the bleed program, they didn't have the practice models and
everything else. He said, Okay, I'll do it myself. So
John says he went out and bought the stuff and
put on the class. He said they had twenty members
show up at the clubhouse. The class was fabulous, he says.
(35:39):
Ages ranged from forty to eighty, about fifty to fifty
men and women. Says he was assisted by a recently
retired paramedic with over twenty five years of experience. Here's
what's interesting, he says. He asked the first responder paramedic
if he had ever been the first person at the
(36:00):
seat of an accident. Paramedics says, nope, I can't begin
to tell you. How often outcomes could have been changed
if someone at the scene had done something before we
got there. Say, it was very impactful, impactful for everybody there,
he said, Realizing that the people we call the first
(36:20):
responders are not I'm sorry, they're just not well. I
guess they're the first responders if everybody on scene chooses
not to do anything, if they stayed around like knots
on a log. But people who are there can should
be the first responders. You should be the first responder,
taking care of yourself, taking care of your family, taking
(36:41):
care of other people. Having a tourniquet and knowing how
to use it, by the way, you do need to
know how to use it, Having some simple gauz, having
some simple tools, I mean little bit stuff, stuff that
can go into a pocket, even stuff you know may
be a bigger kid in your car. But putting on
(37:01):
a stop the bleed class or arranging for one to
be held at your gun club or some other place.
What a worthwhile idea is there are places where you
cannot carry your gun, and even if you do have
your gun, there are a lot of times when you
think or you might run into a situation where what
(37:22):
you really need is first aid skills. Being able to
stop the bleeding can save lives. Simple as that. All right,
let's go to the phones line five Craigs with us
out of Minnesota. Hey Craig, you're on gun talk. What's
turn your mind? Sir?
Speaker 15 (37:38):
My question is long term gun storage. Over the last
twenty years, I've acquired many pistols. Which ones I want
to carry, which ones I don't. I've come to the
conclusion that I don't want to sell any but I
do have several that I don't know I'm not going
to use for at least a year or two. So
what I do is I lightly oil them onths a
year and put them back in the safe. And is
(38:00):
there a better method than just lightly oiling with grease
or what? Do you recommend?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
That's not bad, But there's one other layer I would do,
and that is brownels, and you probably for me. With
brown els, they have a product called rust blocks. They
look like a little trisket wafers or something, and you
spread them around inside of a safe or inside a
bag if the gun's in a bag, uh, And they
(38:25):
give off a vapor that stops corrosion. That's actually called
vapor barrier. Some chips or something, but they're called rust
blocks blo X. I really like those, and I get
them in like once a year. I put some more
in my safe and just as an additional thing. But
I like what you're doing. Wiping down the guns once
(38:45):
a year with gun oil is probably enough, but I
like the additional layer of using the rust blocks. And
the guys over at brown Els will take care of
your brownails dot com. Great question, Thank you here, and
I'm glad you're thinking of taking care of those guns.
It is the worst feeling, and I've done it, to
pull out a gun that's pending storage and you find
rust on it. It's horrible. So you want to prevent
(39:07):
that if at all possible, And you know what, and
it is possible. We just have to take a few
actions to make sure that doesn't happen. Hey, take care
of those guns. Coming up in just a few minutes,
we're gonna have some several different stories that are going
(39:28):
on in the Second Amendment world. We've been winning, winning, winning,
We've got some really important things that are happening. Also,
news about the ban on carrying guns and post offices
is pretty much gone, mostly for some people, maybe we'll
have details on that one. But first, this is a
(39:50):
great story. If you look back, and I've been doing
this for a long long time, I've watched how the
gun control people have changed their approach, their names, their
thing to try to hide what they do. Once there
was the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, and there was
Handgun Control Incorporated because they said, well, we can't call
(40:11):
it banning anymore. And then it became like the Brady Group,
and then it was Brady and then it was you know, Giffords,
and it's then we ended up with every Town for
Gun Safety. They decided they would be the gun safety
people instead of the gun ban people, because they found
(40:32):
that people don't actually want to band guns. The public
doesn't want to ban guns. The public knows that they
want to be able to even if they don't own
a gun. People said they want to be able to
own a gun, so they don't want guns banned. So
you have this every Town for Gun Safety. It's a
Michael Bloomberg creation, of course. And now, because that's not
(40:54):
really working, they said, well, we'll go one step further.
We'll offer guns training and we'll become the gun training organization.
So the new program called Trains Smart, and they're going
to offer gun training for people. And of course, part
and part of that is inherently what they're saying is
(41:17):
you're really stupid for wanting to have a gun, and
if you bring a gun into your home, there's a
much greater likelihood it's going to be used to kill
somebody in your family. But if you're going to do
that anyway, we'll help you, will train you how to
be safer with the gun you shouldn't have in the
first place. Well, what's interesting is that they're getting pushed
(41:43):
back from their members who are saying, no, no, no,
no no, we are not in the gun training business,
which is their way of saying, we're not in the
gun safety business. We're in the gun ban business. We
need to be telling people not to have guns. We
need to be telling people to get rid of their guns.
(42:04):
We need to be working to make sure people are
not even able to own guns. We can't be in
the gun training business. And so every time for Gun
Safety is getting a pushback, massive pushback from their members
from the idea that they become a training organization, because
(42:24):
training people to use their guns safely is a tacit
approval of them having guns in the first place. And remember,
the heritage is the legacy. The ancestry of these groups
is gun bands. They want to ban guns, they want
to get rid of guns, and that's what they do.
(42:46):
So at their core, they're all about taking away your guns.
And I love that. I say, no one wants to
take away your guns. Well, accept the ugly guns, and
accept the big guns, except the guns that hold too
many and the guns are too powerful, and the guns
are too small so you can hide them. And yeah,
the guns that are owned by adults, but they're not
(43:08):
quite old enough to be really adults, So we don't
want anybody under twenty five to have a gun. And
it's like the they keep slicing off again you realize,
actually they really do want to take away all the guns.
And then occasionally they'll actually come out and say it.
They'll say the quiet part out loud and go, yeah,
we actually do want to get rid of guns, so
we want to take away your guns. We're going to
ban your guns. So I just think it's delicious that
(43:31):
their membership is saying, no, don't train people to use
guns safely. That's a bad idea. We want to ban guns.
Ah well, and when we come back, we'll have some
information about the Supreme Court is hate is taking a
second AMENDMIC case the Department of Justice assuing a sheriff's
department saying you have to issue concealed carry permits. And
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
All right, let's do this thing again. Hey, I'm Tom Gresham.
Glad that you could be with us. Hey, I'm glad
I could be here. Had a great week. I got
to tell you more about that. Of course I went
on my moose hunt. We have details about that version
is yes, it was successful, but there's more to the
story than that, and a lot of things we need
to talk about this week. The Supreme Court just accepted
(01:10):
a Second Amendment case, which is big deal. This is
a really big deal about conceal care. We've got the
Department of Justice getting involved insuing a sheriff's department because
it's dragging its heels and won't issue carry permits. And
the longstanding ban on having a gun on post office
property is gone for some people with certain restrictions sometimes
(01:33):
in some places. Yeah, we're gonna have all these details
as we come up. Also, we're gonna be talking about
marine scout snipers, and of course we'll take your calls
and comments and range reports. What have you been out shooting?
What guns have you been buying? In Heaven forbid if
you ever got rid of one, But if you sold one,
I want to know what it is. Also, i'd love
(01:54):
to know which one you let go sometime in the past,
which you know you're thinking about it now and going, yeah,
we should let that one go. We all have a
couple of those. But first I want to bring in
our friend of ours. He's been here many times before.
He is a best selling author of Port Surprise Winner,
the author of Point of Impact on a dozen plus
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books and novels. After that, Steven Hunter joined us right now. Hey, Steve,
how you doing.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
I'm doing fine style. I'm so glad to be here.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh, we're glad to have you. You are I mean,
and you know I have been a fan of yours
from the very beginning. I got a question for you.
Where are you hanging your hat these days?
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I'm sorry, I say that again.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Please, where are you living these days?
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I lived in Baltimore. I'm sitting down from the television set,
which I have just turned off. I've been watching the
Baltimore Ravens get their teeth kicked in by the Houston Texans.
And I watch a lot of sports. I watch sports
on TV. I shoot a lot, I write books, and
(02:59):
I go to bitterly.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
There you go. You probably more than life. It is
more than anybody I know. You get guns right in
your novels, and you know you started off doing that
and it just got better and better. But even the
very first, well, I guess point of Impact was the first.
Was there one before Point of Impact?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Now, there were several books without Bobby Swagger. The very
first one was called The Master Sniper, and I was
set in World War Two, which I just think just
the drama and the passion and the spectacle of World
War Two is ubsess me my whole life. And I
(03:41):
love to go back to World War Two. And that
book was my first expression of that. And a Point
of Impact I think was my fifth book. Okay, And
when I started, I had no idea that I would
end up writing all these books about a West arcas
Alpha Male. I'd only been to Arkansas once in my life,
(04:05):
but it just took off. It achieved its own life
all these years later. And if I may issue one direction,
it's not more than a dozen. It's more than two dozen. Oh,
in fact, it's almost thirty.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Holy kay. I actually remember reading Master Sniper when I
was commuting into DC back in nineteen seventy nine, and
I thought, who is this guy who's writing this. He's
getting things right about guns and that's unusual. And that's
what first turned me on to Steven Hunter and what
you do. And for those who probably are thinking, wait
a minute, I know that name, I know those stories.
(04:40):
I know Bobley's Swagger. They've seen the movie, they've seen
the series. I mean, so it's not just books that
you're out there in various forms. But here's my question
for you. You started with the Bobbley Swagger, and then
you got Earl Swagger, and now you've got this brand
new book it's going to be coming out in about
ten days called The Gunman Jackson's Swagger. Who is Jackson Swagger?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Jackson Swagger would be bob Lee Swagger's great great grandfather.
The setting of the book is eighteen ninety seven Arkansas.
I'm sorry, Arizona. Eighteen ninety seven is a very interesting
year in the gun world because you had the old cults,
you had the old revolvers, you had the arrival of
(05:27):
plot powder, you had the beginning infiltration of semi automatic pistols,
and of course, I'm very happy to report you had
the busy cult. And one of the reasons I wrote
this for Gobby, honest with you is that I love Bisley's.
I just love the way they look and the way
they feel. I've got several. I love to take them
(05:50):
to the rage. I've got actually, I take an imitation
Busley to the rage, and they're just gorgeous guns. And
I wanted to give the hero, actually I wanted to
give him Bisley's, and so he gets through his adventures
on Disley. He is Bob's great great grandfather. And I
(06:10):
should also add, just to get baby people chalivating a little.
By eighteen ninety seven, we also had maxim machine guns.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Ooh ooh, okay, so you know you, yeah, what were thing?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
We had your rid of smoke with powder, which began
in the early eighteen nineties, and of course, the first
gun manufacturing with smokeless powder for smokeless powder was the
Winchester eighteen ninety four, and there's plenty of those at
play in this book.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And is this sounds? And this is I think this
is your first Western, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It is? Yes, it is. And if you want to
ask the next logical questions why did you write a Western?
I can sell it up very quickly in two words,
glock fatigue. I just got so sick and tired of
books about young men's with radio men with radios in
(07:13):
their ears and microphones in front of their face, carrying
blocks and kicking down doors. I mean, that seems to
dominate the thriller world now, and I felt I've probably
written some books like that too, And I just I
yearned to get back to the old simple days. Not
(07:34):
really simple, that's not quite the right word, because of course,
the Westerns weren't simple, and they weren't black and white.
They were very profound and moving and a stimulating American
art form, and I wanted to get back to that.
And for several reasons. The first is it was fun.
(07:57):
It was so much fun writing this book recreate those
landscapes and try to recreate that language and the men's
relationship with their horses. Fortunately, my daughter is an accomplished
horsewoman and she gave me a lot of advice. So
I think I got the horse stuff, you know, pretty
(08:18):
much right. I just had the great fun. But there's
a deeper meaning here. I just want to tip you off,
and that is, as you know, our culture is under attack,
and it's not just guns. I think it's masculinity. And
the way you destroy a culture is you destroy its myths,
(08:39):
you destroy its traditions, you destroy its it's totems, destroy
the way it looks, the way it feels. And one
of the points of this book is to restore an
iconic figure to the cultural landscape, and that would be
(08:59):
the righteous gouvernment. I mean, we've had, you know, the
righteous government, John Wayne being number one on that list,
But we've had righteous government dominating our match, our culture
for forty years. And I very much Bobby Swagger as
a righteous government. But he's in a different world and
(09:21):
he knows that the winds of change are blowing against him.
But I wanted to write a book which was set
in a world where a righteous government could do the
right thing and bring justice to corruption and Britain, vengeance
to his own personal life, and do all those things.
(09:46):
That's what I tried to do.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Well, yeah, what we've got here, We've got a book
with the good guys, with revolvers, with lever actions and
with maxim machine guns. I don't know how you have
any more fun than that.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I don't know how you could have more book than that.
I know I didn't have any more one than that.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well. The book is titled The gun Man Jackson Swagger.
It'll be out in about a week and a half.
You can preorder it everywhere now. It's by Steven Hunter. Steve,
thank you so much for your time, and thank you
so much for sharing your talent with all of us.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Oh well, you know, it's been so much fun for me.
I've had a great life and I hope to continue it.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
I hope I never done well.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I hope so too, and I hope you keep writing
because well I love the books. Man. Look, we'll get
you back on here soon. Thank you so much, my friend.
All righty eight six six talk gone. I'm Tom Gresham.
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I just want to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years
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Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate that our number here
is eighty six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
You're welcome to give me a shout. We're gonna be
open lines for quite a while here, but you have
some guests lined up for later on in the show,
and we've got some news that we'll be breaking. We've
got this story about the court ruling that you'll be
able to carry a gun into a US post office,
but only if you're a member of certain groups and
(13:38):
only in certain post offices. There's a lot of details here,
so don't go rushing off and doing something before you're
fully informed. We got the Supreme Court has agreed to
take and listen to and give us a decision eventually
on a gun rights case, a second memic case. That's
a big deal. A lot of things going on, and
(13:58):
we'll be talking a little bit later in the show
about a memorial for Marine scout snipers. Pretty cool deal.
But first off, I want to tell you about what
happened on my mouse hunt. You knew that I was
going been kind of leading up to this for quite
a while. So we headed up to North Idaho last
(14:22):
week and this three point thirty eight out six improved
rifle that I've been really wanted to take on the
hunt started acting up before the hunt, and I figured
out that there was something screwed with the chamber, and
I set it off to Outcast Arms. That's with a
ko Utkast. They're the folks who used to be at
(14:45):
Melvin Forbes Ultra Light Arms and New Ultra Light Arms
doing a great job. And if you have any work
that needs to be done outcast arms, they just do
a super job. Well, they took it in and did
a rush job on it and got it back to
me two days before I was leaving on the hunt,
ran out, I worked out some loads, ran out and
shot it, got it on and took it up there
(15:07):
news the three thirty eight six, which was great because
I'm thinking the moose is a big critter. Right as
it turned out, details to come, it really wouldn't have
mattered a whole lot the way the thing Haull worked out.
So I ended up. You know, we'll give it the
uh bottom line up front, the bluff. Yes, I did
(15:30):
get a moose. I got a moose known as freight train.
There aren't many times you get a critter that has
a name, and this one was known as freight train.
I'll tell you why. Now you know that Mike by
hunting Body and Eye both put in for the moose permit.
The moose tag got a four percent chance of getting
(15:51):
and so it's very slim, and we thought, oh we'll
put it in. Maybe one of us will get drawn.
We both got drawn. It's crazy, we both got drawn.
So Mike went up there first and he hunted around
for a week or so with his lovely wife Andrea,
and he got a moose and the two of them,
I don't know how the two of them got it
cut up and into the truck. And then Mike and
Andrea and our other couple that hunts with us, Brad
(16:14):
and Monique. We all went up, all five of us.
It's a team effort, and boydy, that turned out to
be a good thing because you need a team once
you get a moose down. So when Mike and Andrea
were up there, and they were sleeping in the back
of their truck at one place, kind of biv whacking
and had the back end open. One night, they're sleeping
(16:37):
there and they hear this crashing and thumping and moose grunting,
and they can tell the bull moose and it gets
closer and closer and louder and louder. They said it
sounded like a freight train. And turned on the light
and there's this bull moose right there, and they got
a pretty good look at it, and so they called
him freight train. They sounded like a freight train. So
(16:57):
we went up there. We runted all over and looked
here there, and drove around and walked here and went
all over the place, and toward the end of the day,
Mike says, well, why don't we go back to where
we saw a freight train? Okay, I don't know. I mean,
he's the guide kind of sort of he's been up there.
That's basically somebody's been up there but ends up being
the guide for your hunt or your friend. So we're
(17:21):
driving down the road to where they were camping, and
we're I don't know, twenty yards from where they camped.
He looks over his shoulder goes, there's freight train. What
I look over my shoulder and there's this massive bull
moose standing off in the bushes. So we kept driving,
kept you know, we parked over there and got out,
walked over and looked up this trail away from the
(17:45):
road there, and there's this huge bull moose. Now I'm
looking at him, and my problem is I haven't looked
at a lot of Idaho moose. And of course you
may know, this is a sheerers moose. It's a subspecies.
The Alaska Yukon moose are much bigger, much bigger antlers,
and these are smaller antlers, and so I'm judging this
one based on Alaska Yukon because I used to live
(18:07):
up there, and thinking, well, it's not that big, and
Mike saying, he's pretty good. Okay, Well I'm going to
pass on him. He said, well, okay, whatever you want
to do. He's about twenty yards away, and so I've
got the gun up, I've got the crosshairs on him,
I've got the safety off. I mean, this is this
(18:27):
is a nothing burger shot. And I decide not to
shoot him. So, okay, safety back on. Okay. Then Brad
Mooney come up and he said, what happens? We told him?
Bras says, well, let's go up Let's go up there
and look at him. So we keep walking up there
and it sounds like he's running away. I said, no,
I don't think he's running away. I think he's thrashing bushes.
(18:48):
He's crashing and thrashing. He's in rut and he's just
tearing things up. So we go a little further and
Mike says, there he is. And Brad says, oh, wow,
that's a good one. I said, guys, I can't see
him goose. The difference between standing two feet apart. Mike
can see him and I cannot. He's behind a bush
for me. He said, step over here, So I step over,
(19:10):
and now I can see this moose in his head,
and the antlers have going ooh, and they're geting, yeah,
this is a good one. They're telling me, hey, that
that's a really good one. So all I can see
is the head. I can't see the body at all.
Fifty yards. He's standing on a trail. I'm thinking, okay,
I thought about this because it's very steep. I don't
(19:31):
want him to run off. I don't want me to
go down the hill where it'd be really hard to
get him up there. So I'm on three power, put
the rifle to his shoulder, flipped safety off, and I
shot him the only shot I had, which is right
in the head. He went down like you had dropped
a Sherman tank on top of him, straight down, thank goodness,
(19:56):
into the trail and got up there and the boy
had gone right through the top of his head, actually
hit one of the antlers on the way out, And
because it's just a smart thing to do, put a
finishing shot in him and said, okay, that's that's done.
And he's huge me. Mike said, he's fifty percent larger
(20:17):
body than mine. He said, he said, if I had
shot that moose, the two of us would never have
been able to get him out of here. And so
now we've got Mike and Andrea and Bread and Monique,
and before I know it, it looks like a team
of ninjas with knives have popped out and they all
have their knives out and they all take a corner
of this mooth and just start going at him, and
(20:39):
they're peeling skin back and everything else. And I'm like, whoa,
it's just crazy as this team of meat cutters going
at it. And it starts raining, and it gets dark,
and it's like all the stuff that happens. And we're
about two hundred yards from the truck, and as we
get a piece cut off, we take it down. The
hind quarter is so head so big that even the
(21:02):
strongest of us, which is Brad, can't pick it up
and carry it. So we put it into a huge
canvas bag and make a drag bag out of it
to get it down the trail. We're talking one hundred
pounds plus for the hind quarter anyway. But the long
story of it all is that when I get to
the butcher, any weighs that don't and we're talking about
just meat on bone here, four hundred and twenty pounds,
(21:27):
four hundred and twenty pounds by the time we're done
with the butcher, and maybe close to three hundred pounds
packaged meat, vacuum sealed, ready to go. Yesterday we had
a little bit of Mike's little sample of his moose,
made it up into burger delicious. Moose is just delicious,
very mild, not at all like deer or elk. I
(21:49):
don't think it's much closer to being beef or really
good beef. So we're pretty excited about the whole thing.
So the moose hunt worked out. Freight train met a
noble end, and he's going to go into our freezer
and he's going to feed us for a probably more
than a year. I'd a lot of meat. As my
wife said, a pound a day is all we asked.
(22:11):
You know, we got three hundred plus pounds of meat.
We got a year to eat it all. So a
pound a day, there you go. So there you go.
That is the saga of freight Train and the three
thirty eight out six. It was a great time. Hey,
call me with your story. We're looking for a range
of parts eight and sixty six talk guns a last
(22:36):
for freight train. We knew him. Well, can you call
Tom talk Gun. That's the number here. Mark called in
out of Illinois. Hey, Mark, what's on your mind? Sir?
Speaker 10 (22:49):
Yeah, I bought a Henry. It's in three point fifty seven.
It's so long as the twenty Inspira with the you know,
the two that comes out, and it's got the loading
gate and standard wood furniture on it. And I took
it in the back of the range started shooting it.
(23:11):
And it does it with any do it with two
different brands of jacketed soft point, with American Eagle or
with mag Tech one fifty eight grain jacketed softpoint. It
doesn't do it with the normal full metal jacket. The
what happens is maybe about every third or fourth round
when you when you shoot it, when you lever it,
(23:33):
the round comes out of the tube into where the
loading gate should lift it up, and instead what happens
is the load the loading gate stays down. The thing
is supposed to lift up stays down, and the round
goes right back down into the tube. When you push
the lever forward and then you can't get the lever
(23:56):
to raise the thing up to go into the chamber.
When I whenever I've reached in and manually pulled the
cartridge out, then the next thing it happens is around
the next round. Then the tube comes flying out of
the tube hits and it goes right out of the
goes right out of the ejection for it.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But now, and you're saying it does that with the
lead pointed bullets, but not with full metal jacket. I'm
hearing that right now.
Speaker 11 (24:27):
The guy at the gunshot thought maybe I was short
stroking it. But if that were the case, it shouldn't
matter what AMMO you're using.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Well, maybe maybe it's not unusual, or maybe I should
say it's not inconceivable that the lead exposed at the
front of the bullet is a little stickier, if that
makes me sense, It doesn't slide as much, and maybe
that you really need to work on having a very
(24:57):
forceful downwards stroke and forward stroke of the lever and
see if you can address it that way. If not, Honestly,
I kind of think my next move might be to
contact Henry because it's not like a twenty two where
you say, well, just use a different kind of AMMA.
You want to be able to use, you know, lead
(25:18):
front expanding AMMO in that rifle.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Right, absolutely, I mean I got it because I like
I like rifles that shoot three fifty seven, right, I mean,
I have no problem with my Rossie. It just feeds
and fires everything. The marlins sometimes jam when the round
is trying to go into the chamber.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
But.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
And that would be more likely right.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
Back into the tube.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, that's weird. It's more likely to get some kind
of a jam if the lead's galling on something as
it's trying to go into the chamber. But what you're
describing is something different. I would try this kind of
borrowing what the gun shop said, try really being forceful
and deliberate about how you work the action and see
(26:07):
if it takes care of it that way. And yet
even if it does, honestly, even if it does, you
may still think, well, but that's not quite good of it.
Out of work anyway, I'm leaning towards saying, yeah, probably
ought to contact Henry and saying, hey, guys, this is
what's going on. What do we need to do, and
see what they say and My guess is they're gonna say, hey,
(26:29):
send it back, let us take a look at it. Okay,
you know, I mean, they're gonna take care of it.
It's a good company, it's good American company, and they'll
take care of it. It's just one of those if
it's starting to bother you. Now, generally guns don't heal themselves,
then I would send them. You know, try whatever you want,
(26:49):
but I think the pathway is leading you toward you're
gonna have to contact Henry and let them take care
of it for you. I appreciate the call, sir. We
got time. Let's get Joe in here. All in life
three out of Jefferson, Texas. Hey Joe, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Hey Tom, I'm suffering from the two eighty four Winchester
Amo dilemma.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Ah A a fellow in the two eighty four camp.
I love the cartridge and I hate the cartridge, So
go ahead, Roger that.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I was on AMO seek this morning and I found
a company out of Las Vegas that is advertising from
ammunition called Venturial Munitions. I've never heard of them, and
I wonder if you might happen to know anything about them.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
I don't I looked them up when I saw the
note on my screen, and I see that they do
have one hundred and thirty nine grain bullet loaded. I
don't know venture, I don't know anything about them. Now.
Are you aware that HSM Ammunition has two eighty form also?
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Yes, I've reached out to them, sent them an email
a couple of months ago, and they currently do not
have any stock. They said that they're having trouble getting
brass and that they would get back to me, but
I have not not received any contact back from them yet.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Well, you have run some mac dab into the issue
with the two eighty four Winchester, which is it really
has become a handloader's cartridge. I don't know if you handload.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
I've got my dad's equipment. I've never loaded around in
my life. I originally got gifted the Hornity loaded Manuel
of the eleventh edition, and I've also got my dad's
old nineteen sixty three edition Hornity loading manuals.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Another.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
I just I haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
There's another place for you to take a look. Hinder Shots.
They have custom loaded ammouh, I got I just thought
of another one too, Okay, I got two for you
hinder Shots h E N D E R S h
O T S on the webit's hindershots dot net. But
(29:24):
I just remembered I just heard from Richard Mann who
likes the two eighty four also, and I looked it
up and Federal Federal Cartridge is offering custom loaded AMMO
now and one of their offerings is two eighty four Winchester.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I like that. You are look how to contact Federal
and I'll make a note of hinder Shots and reach
out to both of those.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Just a second, I'm looking up Federal Custom. Yeah, Federal
premium custom shops center fire loaded ammunition. You got to
put to the custom stuff. But they have two eighty four.
As you might expect. It's not inexpensive, but it's gonna
be good. And between hinter Shots and Federal, I think
(30:17):
you're gonna find what you're looking for.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
I do appreciate the information.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Tom, you bet you. I wish you're luck with it.
Take care. Yeah, the two eighty four Winchester great cartridge,
but it kind of got abandoned. There's not a lot
of sources for loaded AMMO, and like I say, for
most of us, it's become a handloading proposition. So what's
on your mind? What have you been shooting, where are
you buying? And if you have a problem with a
gun or something, give me a call. I probably don't
(30:42):
know the answer, but I'll make up something like I
always do. Be right back.
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Speaker 4 (33:03):
Okay, this is a bizarre story. This one's breaking right now.
Former New York Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez. It appears I
don't know if he was on something, what was going on,
but middle of the night body slams an elderly grease
(33:25):
truck driver in an alley, acting erradically. The grease truck driver,
I guess, pepper sprayed Sanchez trying to get him off
of him. That didn't work, so the guy ended up
having to stab him. He's sixty nine year old driver
stabbed Mark Sanchez, the former Jets quarterback, several times Sanchez
(33:51):
is thirty eight, to get him off of him. Sanchez
was taken to the hospital with severe wounds, and then Sanchez,
the quarterback, the thirty eight year old was charged with
battery resulting an injury, public intoxication, unlawful entry of a
motor vehicle, and the sixty nine year old truck driver
(34:12):
who stabbed him was not, at least to this point,
not charged. A knife used in self defense the truck
driver clearly, I mean, he couldn't have his gun in
New York, but he had pepper spray and had a
knife and as we say, and a will to live
(34:35):
and put it into practice. Holy cow. I got an
email from a listener. He's called in a few times
and it's involved, but I want to read part of it.
It's a range of port but it's one of those
who think, wow, that's really good stuff. He's been hearing
(34:57):
me talk about carrying the tourniquet and to stop the
bleed program, on how everybody needs a med kid and
everybody needs to be able to stop bleeding. And so
he went to his local shooting club, the Callous Rotten
Gun Club in down East Maine, and wanted to have
a class. He approached everybody hospital's EMS police. He says,
(35:19):
nobody had ever done any classes, didn't have to stop
the bleed program, they didn't have the practice models and
everything else. He said, Okay, I'll do it myself. So
John says he went out and bought the stuff and
put on the class. He said they had twenty members
show up at the clubhouse. The class was fabulous, he says.
(35:39):
Ages ranged from forty to eighty, about fifty to fifty
men and women. Says he was assisted by a recently
retired paramedic with over twenty five years of experience. Here's
what's interesting, he says. He asked the first responder paramedic
if he had ever been the first person at the
(36:00):
seat of an accident. Paramedics says, nope, I can't begin
to tell you. How often outcomes could have been changed
if someone at the scene had done something before we
got there. Say, it was very impactful, impactful for everybody there,
he said, Realizing that the people we call the first
(36:20):
responders are not I'm sorry, they're just not well. I
guess they're the first responders if everybody on scene chooses
not to do anything, if they stayed around like knots
on a log. But people who are there can should
be the first responders. You should be the first responder,
taking care of yourself, taking care of your family, taking
(36:41):
care of other people. Having a tourniquet and knowing how
to use it, by the way, you do need to
know how to use it, Having some simple gauz, having
some simple tools, I mean little bit stuff, stuff that
can go into a pocket, even stuff you know may
be a bigger kid in your car. But putting on
(37:01):
a stop the bleed class or arranging for one to
be held at your gun club or some other place.
What a worthwhile idea is there are places where you
cannot carry your gun, and even if you do have
your gun, there are a lot of times when you
think or you might run into a situation where what
(37:22):
you really need is first aid skills. Being able to
stop the bleeding can save lives. Simple as that. All right,
let's go to the phones line five Craigs with us
out of Minnesota. Hey Craig, you're on gun talk. What's
turn your mind? Sir?
Speaker 15 (37:38):
My question is long term gun storage. Over the last
twenty years, I've acquired many pistols. Which ones I want
to carry, which ones I don't. I've come to the
conclusion that I don't want to sell any but I
do have several that I don't know I'm not going
to use for at least a year or two. So
what I do is I lightly oil them onths a
year and put them back in the safe. And is
(38:00):
there a better method than just lightly oiling with grease
or what? Do you recommend?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
That's not bad, But there's one other layer I would do,
and that is brownels, and you probably for me. With
brown els, they have a product called rust blocks. They
look like a little trisket wafers or something, and you
spread them around inside of a safe or inside a
bag if the gun's in a bag, uh, And they
(38:25):
give off a vapor that stops corrosion. That's actually called
vapor barrier. Some chips or something, but they're called rust
blocks blo X. I really like those, and I get
them in like once a year. I put some more
in my safe and just as an additional thing. But
I like what you're doing. Wiping down the guns once
(38:45):
a year with gun oil is probably enough, but I
like the additional layer of using the rust blocks. And
the guys over at brown Els will take care of
your brownails dot com. Great question, Thank you here, and
I'm glad you're thinking of taking care of those guns.
It is the worst feeling, and I've done it, to
pull out a gun that's pending storage and you find
rust on it. It's horrible. So you want to prevent
(39:07):
that if at all possible, And you know what, and
it is possible. We just have to take a few
actions to make sure that doesn't happen. Hey, take care
of those guns. Coming up in just a few minutes,
we're gonna have some several different stories that are going
(39:28):
on in the Second Amendment world. We've been winning, winning, winning,
We've got some really important things that are happening. Also,
news about the ban on carrying guns and post offices
is pretty much gone, mostly for some people, maybe we'll
have details on that one. But first, this is a
(39:50):
great story. If you look back, and I've been doing
this for a long long time, I've watched how the
gun control people have changed their approach, their names, their
thing to try to hide what they do. Once there
was the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, and there was
Handgun Control Incorporated because they said, well, we can't call
(40:11):
it banning anymore. And then it became like the Brady Group,
and then it was Brady and then it was you know, Giffords,
and it's then we ended up with every Town for
Gun Safety. They decided they would be the gun safety
people instead of the gun ban people, because they found
(40:32):
that people don't actually want to band guns. The public
doesn't want to ban guns. The public knows that they
want to be able to even if they don't own
a gun. People said they want to be able to
own a gun, so they don't want guns banned. So
you have this every Town for Gun Safety. It's a
Michael Bloomberg creation, of course. And now, because that's not
(40:54):
really working, they said, well, we'll go one step further.
We'll offer guns training and we'll become the gun training organization.
So the new program called Trains Smart, and they're going
to offer gun training for people. And of course, part
and part of that is inherently what they're saying is
(41:17):
you're really stupid for wanting to have a gun, and
if you bring a gun into your home, there's a
much greater likelihood it's going to be used to kill
somebody in your family. But if you're going to do
that anyway, we'll help you, will train you how to
be safer with the gun you shouldn't have in the
first place. Well, what's interesting is that they're getting pushed
(41:43):
back from their members who are saying, no, no, no,
no no, we are not in the gun training business,
which is their way of saying, we're not in the
gun safety business. We're in the gun ban business. We
need to be telling people not to have guns. We
need to be telling people to get rid of their guns.
(42:04):
We need to be working to make sure people are
not even able to own guns. We can't be in
the gun training business. And so every time for Gun
Safety is getting a pushback, massive pushback from their members
from the idea that they become a training organization, because
(42:24):
training people to use their guns safely is a tacit
approval of them having guns in the first place. And remember,
the heritage is the legacy. The ancestry of these groups
is gun bands. They want to ban guns, they want
to get rid of guns, and that's what they do.
(42:46):
So at their core, they're all about taking away your guns.
And I love that. I say, no one wants to
take away your guns. Well, accept the ugly guns, and
accept the big guns, except the guns that hold too
many and the guns are too powerful, and the guns
are too small so you can hide them. And yeah,
the guns that are owned by adults, but they're not
(43:08):
quite old enough to be really adults, So we don't
want anybody under twenty five to have a gun. And
it's like the they keep slicing off again you realize,
actually they really do want to take away all the guns.
And then occasionally they'll actually come out and say it.
They'll say the quiet part out loud and go, yeah,
we actually do want to get rid of guns, so
we want to take away your guns. We're going to
ban your guns. So I just think it's delicious that
(43:31):
their membership is saying, no, don't train people to use
guns safely. That's a bad idea. We want to ban guns.
Ah well, and when we come back, we'll have some
information about the Supreme Court is hate is taking a
second AMENDMIC case the Department of Justice assuing a sheriff's
department saying you have to issue concealed carry permits. And
(43:52):
there's more for you right here on gun talk. Don't
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