April 13, 2025 • 22 mins
In This Hour:
-- Gun deals at pawn shops.
-- Hunting deer with a 22 rimfire rifle.
-- When Mississippi archery hunters could use poison arrows.
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-- Gun deals at pawn shops.
-- Hunting deer with a 22 rimfire rifle.
-- When Mississippi archery hunters could use poison arrows.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
Can't say on regular radio.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Now, if there's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun
Talk after.
Speaker 6 (00:34):
Show, good time for after show where we got the
gim Tom and Tom. Hey, guys, got it.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
We're shows a toime right now. You know it would
make a lot more sense.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
Yeah, it really would, so we'd be you know, we've
got Tom Hennig who got Jim Kinzie, and we got
people calling in and we're gonna talk about this just
a fun show today. We got to talk about old
guns and cool guns.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, you get to make me work hard. Anytime you
mentioned lever action, the phone's light up, Is that right?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:02):
That's interesting. It is funny how certain topics like bear
guns will just make people call in.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah that one too.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Yep, there you go. And you know I should have
talked about using a lever action for bear defense. That
would really lit it up.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Oh well, you know, back in the day, you could
have defaulted to the nine M M forty five ACP debate.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
That's true. We could say which three A eight, you know,
or the thirty out six and the two seventy. I mean,
you had the standards. But I do like lever actions
for bears, so that's kind of cool.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, that is cool.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You could just pull it, put a call out there
and saying, you know, if you ar fifteen never killed
a deer?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Phones right, every everybody's kid done that and said yeah,
well yeah, well what about this one?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh okay, yeah, okay, but besides for Jerry and besides everybody.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Who has yes, exactly there you go. Hey, let's grab Rick.
He's called in out of Mississippi. Hey Rick, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Hey Tom? How are you guys? Today?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
We're having we'll get this.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
We got here in the South today. I tell you,
I was, Yeah, it's gorgeous in the hot seventies and
clears the bell today it's real nice weather down here.
I was listened to your radio show on the way
to the grocery store, and uh, you got to talk
about the older leather guns, and I have one that
(02:25):
that you actually mentioned this the model ninety four two magnum,
and I picked that gun up back in the mid
late eighties, and it is it's just been a great,
great gun to hunt with. It's in that condition to
finish on the metal and the wood or just like
(02:46):
they were the day I bought it. And it's got
a little weaver optics for power scope on it. And
one things we can do here in Mississippi is the
state regulations for deer hunting state that there are no
caliber or magazine restrictions for honey deer in Mississippi, which
(03:07):
means you get hunt there with a twenty two rifle.
And so I've killed a lot of deer with this
little letter action twenty two magnum, and every one of
them has been a drop dead in their tracks. One
shot killed head. I shoot them in the neck. I
(03:29):
shoot about four inches ahead of the scapula in the
neck and every time they go straight to the ground.
I shot two big bucks this year with it, and
large did real two hundred and forty five pound deer
and about to earn fifteen pound deer and drop them
dead in their tracks and shoot the forty grain full
(03:52):
metal jacket bullet. That's all I shoot out of it.
But it's just a great gun. I caught it at
a store that was going out of business US back
in the late eighties, and Bonnet just fell in love
with it, and I carried it. I still carried a
light today. And of course I got a lot of
the guns six fives, two seventies, three thirty eights, nine threes,
(04:13):
a whole bunch of stuff like that. But that is
one of my favorite guns in deer hunt with.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
I'd like to get one of those. Do you think
that store is still going out of business?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I wish they were. They got they had, they got robs.
Guys cut a hole through the roof with a changeawle,
stole about everything they had, and they didn't have any
insurance and they had to go out of business.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Oh no, gun, But you know.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You just don't see these ninety four twenty two ms anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
No, you know, you don't, because people to have them
know what they have.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, and look when I bought that, when I paid
one hundred and sixty dollars for it, and.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
There were would you like to make fifty dollars profit
on it. I could ast you fifty dollars more.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, tell me about it, tell me about it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Didn't work.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Twenty twos man one of my favorite rounds to shoot.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Well, let me throw out somethings you may not be
aware of. The AMMO companies have done some really interesting
stuff in the last few years, and they have brought
out some really good, much better twenty two Magnamamma these
days they have yeah, yeah, so yeah. I mean, I
know that's working for you and you're using the full
metal jacket, but just if you wanted to tinker with
(05:26):
something different, there's a lot of new, really interesting twenty
two magambo, some of us actually being marketed as self
defense AMMO. That's kind of interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I've said I have some of the hornity after you
fix it's a little heavier bullet forty five grains and
still got the velocity that you want, right, But I
have not tried to hunt with it yet. You know
the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it,
And that's kind of how I feel about these full
metal jacket bullets on deer. They got enough body to
them to penetrate and really do the image you want
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to put them on the ground, you know, when you're
when you're hunting with that. Now, if you're not in
a state like we are, where they allow pretty much
anything to right, then you wouldn't want to do that.
But uh uh. Here in Mississippi, we're fortunate. We've got
a huge year of population, and so they want you
to have every opportunity to kill one that you can.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
You know, you know, first of all, I want people
to understand that when you're in the state, the correct
way to say it is Mississippi. There's there's a missing
that's Mississippi. Okay. Now, next, when you talk about them
allowing you to use anything, now they don't anymore. But
there was a time some several decades ago when bow
(06:42):
hunters in Mississippi could use drugs on their arrows, and
they had a thing called a pod and you could
use I believe it is Succeillian chloride is the drug.
I actually just saw that a feature.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
The one was Yeah, what's that nick team a nick teine.
It was a drug that anstesiologists used to put you
to sleep for surgery, and.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
We're basically paralyzed and pazed nervous system so that they
couldn't breathe Did you ever use it?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did use it quite often and
had deer. I shot deer with it that I mean
tell you, they wouldn't go five yards after you stuck them.
You know. Wow, Now that stuff worked. Once they dumped
that load into the bloodstream, they didn't last they were down.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
The camp is gonna say that that drug broke down.
You could actually eat the meat. It didn't bother anything.
So I'll tell you got so many deer in Mississippi.
It rint that matter of what you use, you're not
going to affect the population.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
No, we're not, we're not. Actually we're not killing enough
deer here. Every year they come out and they change
the rules to make it easier for anybody to get
out and kill. There are seasons extremely long. We go
from October one to the middle of February NonStop. And uh,
they've made it now where like our primitive weapons seasons
and things like that. If you own land, you can
(08:06):
hunt with anything you want any time of the year,
throughout the year. You don't have to buy by the seasons,
you know, and we probably we have an estimated herd
of around three million, and there's more deer than our
people in Mississippi.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I used to laugh at Louisiana. People say, well, what's
your limit? I said, well, the season will lasts for
three months and the limit is five for the season.
But there are no tags, so just don't drive around
with six deer.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
The honor system we don't have a We don't have
a tag system in Mississippi either. And they do the
loss a five dos and three bucks and you know,
you can actually kill two today. You can kill a
buckhann ado in the same day and still be legal.
But there I'm just wondering at which point they're going
(08:59):
to take that and say, look, just kill the deer.
We're not worried about Yeah, yeah, but we're.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Not gonna count. We don't worry about it. Just just
shoot them. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, my wife can't keep them out of her flower beds,
so she puts a she puts a hit out on them.
They resault.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
That was that was my wife. She was real happy
with the deer in the yard until they ate her
agapanthus and then it was game on.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I'm telling you, they love my wife's Oh gosh, one
of those things. Uh oh, I forget the name of them.
They they eat those things to the ground. I'm telling
you quick.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Take right down exactly right, Hey, Rick, I appreciate the call,
a chance to talk about Winchester my ninety four twenty
two m for Magnum. I wish they'd bring that thing back, I.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Do to you. You know, there's a few. Henry's got one,
and I think Henry's making one now and uh Rossy
may be making one twenty now.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Got to look into that. There you go, all right, Well,
I appreciate the call, sir, good push to go down
memory lane on those deals. Hey guys, let's take our
quick break here. We'll come back on the back side
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Speaker 1 (10:27):
What's it like to be blown up?
Speaker 6 (10:28):
You know?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
If it's like C four, it's almost like a smack hunting.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yeah, we talk about that too.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
On your crosshairs, I like a thin crosshair ange.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You're really dating yourself by calling things cross hairs, you're
redical whatever.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Have some fun and stay informed with the Gun Talk podcast.
All right, we're back for the third time. Now, guys,
we're gonna try this again.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Inside Baseball is a.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Working with complete professionals.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Here.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
We've tried tried to do this rejoined three times.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Now we might even get right. One day, I.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Had this brilliant reintro and guys, and both of you
sat there like, what about pawn shops? Now, something say,
pawnshops and guns. Actually, a lot of times are deals
to be found in pawn shops.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And we've got a new guy in town who bought
out an old guy and he's, you know, the new guards.
So he's redoing everything in the old store was mom
and pop shopping. That's great, but so he's he's the
new fangled guy. So he's got Facebook ads all over
the place and reels and he's you know, doing silly stuff,
kind of like a car dealer, that sensationalized stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Uh, to get the name out there.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But I'm thinking about, you know, it might be time
to pop back in there because you never know, I mean,
guitars and handguns. It seems to be where I've seen
the best values at least locally true.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
And a lot of times people don't know what they have,
and you know, they're pawning things off or they're just
selling them and you can walk in there and find something.
And of course you can also it's definitely let's make
a deal, cut of a deal, just make them a
low ball off or you never.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Know, right, you just don't want to do that and
negotiate with other customers in the parking lot.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
They're not real fond of that.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
No no, no, no, oh, that's all right.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
You're gonna go sell that gun to them. Huh, let
me see it, check that out?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I don't sit there and try to hijack them as
they're going into that.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I've seen it. I've seen people do it. What you selling?
What are you selling? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
No, I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
How much trouble did you get in trying to hijack
a police buy back?
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Actually? I know people who've done that. When they're doing
people have these guns supposed buybacks, and they'll set up
their own booth front that time, you know, and I've
actually gotten some guns and then eventually the police will
come over and say, you know, it's time for you
to leave. You go, well, it's legal. Yeah, we understand
you go. You're not hearing me. It's time for you
to Yes, sir, I'll be leaving now. Yep, there you go.
(13:08):
Of course, depending on the state, some states you can't
do that at all, but do what you can do.
I kind of like the idea of hijacking those things.
What I'd really like to do. I'd like to get
somebody to fund it, so you can say, I'm going
to buy the guns and then I'm going to redistribute
them to battered women.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Oh ah, I like it.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Now we're doing a pr move.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
And single mom and single mothers mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Yeah, ye, people who might need it and can't afford it,
and oh yeah, and they all come with a class,
a training class.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I like it. Like it.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, I just think it could be done. People could
do that individually in their own towns. Sorry, there you go.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well you wouldn't catch any any resistance from that at all.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Resistance. This makes it for better media coverage, absolutely, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Since I like bringing up Michigan law, they've recently passed
on that any gun obtained through a buyback program must
be destroyed and they made that because they found out
they were farming it out. They'd send those guns to
another place out of state, and they would disassemble them
and resell the parts.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Which makes sense. I like that. It's a it's a resource. Well,
it's like if they use if they used government money
to buy the guns, they shouldn't be able to destroy
them because that's the destruction of government property at that point.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But they do it. They do it, do it all
the time and stuff.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
I know that's ok.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Or we leave one hundred and eighty billion dollars in
military gear overseas, Thanks Biden.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yeah, there you go. I would like to go and
get one of those tanks. I think that'd be cool.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You would think, yeah you can. I think you can.
I want it aired, I want it tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
You can own the tank, but I think you probably
can't own the gun on the tank. Yeah, it's a
weird deal.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Even if it was.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
There are some people, you know, there are some people
that own uh well no, he gets into destructive what
do they call it? Destructive devices? Is so big and yeah, yeah,
that's fine, exactly right. Obviously, there are people who have
all like World War One were not? Were World War
two tanks? Right?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Get some weird looks at the d m V with
those two.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
And you know what inspection You can get any parking
place you.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Want, you make a parking spot.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Really, that's right? That smart car? Oh yeah, that one
I'm sitting on top of.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Not so smart? Now, are you poll?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
There you go, Some one of those come by me
the other day. It was weird, just like this little
bugs zipping down the.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Road a tennis shoe.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah, goofy. You know, talk about a thing you don't
want to be in an accident.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And I'm sure there's standards they have to pass and
blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I still want metal in front of me.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yeah, I like weight, you know, just stuff around me.
There you go. Well so, but if you want a
used lever gun, obviously you got the online sources. But honestly,
gun shows are not a bad place to go. There's
the stuff that people have at their tables and their booths,
(16:35):
but also you got people just walking around with a
gun over the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You want to sell it, right, And keep in mind
a lot of these guys are gun collectors that have
passed away, et cetera. And the family doesn't really know
what they have, so they're gonna either broke them off,
get rid of them, or let you know, Jerry's going
to take him to the gun show and see what
he can get. You get every once in a while
run across a great deal, it's.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
All, yeah, it is. It's it's you know that, every
once in a while it happens, So it's the one
you talk about for years after that.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Those are usually ones you're you know what I should
have bought? Yeah, you know what I could?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
God lord, Yeah, only we had that caller. Today they've
got what thirty guns from an estate's sale, right, m hm, Yeah,
he's different way to go about it.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Or he might take ten of them to a show
and see what he can.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Turn right yep.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Solary is pretty with gunbroker though. Gun broker, and.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
That's you know, if the think about that is you
have to be willing to take that on. It's almost
a partial job. Is you're going to list these and
answer the questions, and then when you get it sold,
you have to package it, box it up and you know,
take it to whoever is going to be shipping it
for you, you know, process the fund eBay, it becomes
a thing. Yeah. I don't think you can do that
(17:57):
with eBay.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
No, but it's basically a lot of people can all
make a living doing it.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Oh yeah, but that's all gun broker is eBay for gun.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's what I was where it came from.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Yeah, that's where it comes from. But it is also work.
And if you have a bunch of guns you're trying
to get rid of them, you know, then you say, okay,
if I don't want to do that, then that's when
something like Johnny Dory Dory's guns comes in.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
He'll buy them all at effect.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
It make it easy for you.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sounds three ways to go something you a great retirement project,
catalog and what you got. Here's the catalog and what
you've got, and what you think you can turn and
make an event out of it. I mean, if you
break down the time you put in versus the profit
you may it's probably not a great revenue stream.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
But it's not about that.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It's just just like reloading, when you break down what
you really put into it and then you pay yourself
for the time you get.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
It not saved any money.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
A new hobby exactly have a case some.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Fun thing to do, exactly. All right, Well, I think
I have to go shop for a lover action gun.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Now I knew that was coming, so as soon as
that all mood changed there. I'm like, he's going to
start shopping levers.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
And then you said it.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
You know, Marlin had the Model thirty nine twenty two
rim firel ever gun. Of course they're not making them now,
but people are asking them, are you guys going to
get into that? And they keep saying, you know, we're
looking at it one of these days. I liked those guns.
They were solid as rock and really nice. If you
could find you a Marlin Model thirty nine, that would
(19:30):
be a good day.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yet too, that's funny too because the you know, a
few years back, you might you might have said, well,
they probably won't.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Be making that lever again.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It had its run, it had its glory day, right,
But I think you have a lot to do with this.
But the refreshment and their juvenition of levers, I mean
has in the past five six years.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
There's a lot of interest in them.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So that could flip around because it's always about money, right,
If nobody's going to make something just to make somebody happy.
The company's there to make money for themselves, their shareholders,
et cetera. So if there's if they're going to lose money,
they're probably not going to make it. But you know
what I mean, And it's ten years ago there wasn't
a huge demand for lovers, but boy it's turned around.
(20:12):
Well you and Anthony. I credit you and Anthony to
be honest.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Yeah, Anthonyparado over at Henry. I mean, he did such
a great job of promoting him and built a heck
of a company out of it.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, I have one of his fine pieces or caliber
three twenty seven federal.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I got it to match the revolver.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Well, let's see, we are going to be doing a
show from the NRA show in two weeks, and with
any luck, when we are there, we're going to be
able to keep a figures crossed announce a GC thirty gun.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Not familiar were not familiar with those times.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Yeah, I don't know. We'll figure it out. But this
is assuming that the manufacturer can get us one and
we got something to take a picture of and if
you know, a lot of moving parts and we only
have two weeks to make it happen. So we shall see.
But I'm I'm working on. That's our in house deadline.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
We're working on. Oh cool, very cool. Yeah, and we
got we got easter coming up.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Got easter coming up. Yep, everybody have them nice safe easter.
Probably go shooting, yep, that's what we do for all
the whole family.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Why not.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
There you go, then don't shoot their too expensive. Yeah, no, kidd,
that's right, don't shoot, no Wiggs. But I'm gonna work
on my loads for the new dire Wolf.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
So yeah, I gave you all. There'll be a bunch
of them the forty. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
They can just make them, you know, they just pop
them out right, three DPrint, test tube wool. But I
like this idea.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
I like where he's going with this. All right, you travel,
have a great week, yep, you hip.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
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Speaker 6 (00:34):
Show, good time for after show where we got the
gim Tom and Tom. Hey, guys, got it.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
We're shows a toime right now. You know it would
make a lot more sense.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
Yeah, it really would, so we'd be you know, we've
got Tom Hennig who got Jim Kinzie, and we got
people calling in and we're gonna talk about this just
a fun show today. We got to talk about old
guns and cool guns.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, you get to make me work hard. Anytime you
mentioned lever action, the phone's light up, Is that right?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:02):
That's interesting. It is funny how certain topics like bear
guns will just make people call in.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah that one too.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Yep, there you go. And you know I should have
talked about using a lever action for bear defense. That
would really lit it up.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Oh well, you know, back in the day, you could
have defaulted to the nine M M forty five ACP debate.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
That's true. We could say which three A eight, you know,
or the thirty out six and the two seventy. I mean,
you had the standards. But I do like lever actions
for bears, so that's kind of cool.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Yeah, that is cool.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You could just pull it, put a call out there
and saying, you know, if you ar fifteen never killed
a deer?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Phones right, every everybody's kid done that and said yeah,
well yeah, well what about this one?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh okay, yeah, okay, but besides for Jerry and besides everybody.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Who has yes, exactly there you go. Hey, let's grab Rick.
He's called in out of Mississippi. Hey Rick, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Hey Tom? How are you guys? Today?
Speaker 6 (02:00):
We're having we'll get this.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
We got here in the South today. I tell you,
I was, Yeah, it's gorgeous in the hot seventies and
clears the bell today it's real nice weather down here.
I was listened to your radio show on the way
to the grocery store, and uh, you got to talk
about the older leather guns, and I have one that
(02:25):
that you actually mentioned this the model ninety four two magnum,
and I picked that gun up back in the mid
late eighties, and it is it's just been a great,
great gun to hunt with. It's in that condition to
finish on the metal and the wood or just like
(02:46):
they were the day I bought it. And it's got
a little weaver optics for power scope on it. And
one things we can do here in Mississippi is the
state regulations for deer hunting state that there are no
caliber or magazine restrictions for honey deer in Mississippi, which
(03:07):
means you get hunt there with a twenty two rifle.
And so I've killed a lot of deer with this
little letter action twenty two magnum, and every one of
them has been a drop dead in their tracks. One
shot killed head. I shoot them in the neck. I
(03:29):
shoot about four inches ahead of the scapula in the
neck and every time they go straight to the ground.
I shot two big bucks this year with it, and
large did real two hundred and forty five pound deer
and about to earn fifteen pound deer and drop them
dead in their tracks and shoot the forty grain full
(03:52):
metal jacket bullet. That's all I shoot out of it.
But it's just a great gun. I caught it at
a store that was going out of business US back
in the late eighties, and Bonnet just fell in love
with it, and I carried it. I still carried a
light today. And of course I got a lot of
the guns six fives, two seventies, three thirty eights, nine threes,
(04:13):
a whole bunch of stuff like that. But that is
one of my favorite guns in deer hunt with.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
I'd like to get one of those. Do you think
that store is still going out of business?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I wish they were. They got they had, they got robs.
Guys cut a hole through the roof with a changeawle,
stole about everything they had, and they didn't have any
insurance and they had to go out of business.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Oh no, gun, But you know.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
You just don't see these ninety four twenty two ms anymore.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
No, you know, you don't, because people to have them
know what they have.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, and look when I bought that, when I paid
one hundred and sixty dollars for it, and.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
There were would you like to make fifty dollars profit
on it. I could ast you fifty dollars more.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, tell me about it, tell me about it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Didn't work.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Twenty twos man one of my favorite rounds to shoot.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Well, let me throw out somethings you may not be
aware of. The AMMO companies have done some really interesting
stuff in the last few years, and they have brought
out some really good, much better twenty two Magnamamma these
days they have yeah, yeah, so yeah. I mean, I
know that's working for you and you're using the full
metal jacket, but just if you wanted to tinker with
(05:26):
something different, there's a lot of new, really interesting twenty
two magambo, some of us actually being marketed as self
defense AMMO. That's kind of interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I've said I have some of the hornity after you
fix it's a little heavier bullet forty five grains and
still got the velocity that you want, right, But I
have not tried to hunt with it yet. You know
the old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it,
And that's kind of how I feel about these full
metal jacket bullets on deer. They got enough body to
them to penetrate and really do the image you want
(06:00):
to put them on the ground, you know, when you're
when you're hunting with that. Now, if you're not in
a state like we are, where they allow pretty much
anything to right, then you wouldn't want to do that.
But uh uh. Here in Mississippi, we're fortunate. We've got
a huge year of population, and so they want you
to have every opportunity to kill one that you can.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
You know, you know, first of all, I want people
to understand that when you're in the state, the correct
way to say it is Mississippi. There's there's a missing
that's Mississippi. Okay. Now, next, when you talk about them
allowing you to use anything, now they don't anymore. But
there was a time some several decades ago when bow
(06:42):
hunters in Mississippi could use drugs on their arrows, and
they had a thing called a pod and you could
use I believe it is Succeillian chloride is the drug.
I actually just saw that a feature.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
The one was Yeah, what's that nick team a nick teine.
It was a drug that anstesiologists used to put you
to sleep for surgery, and.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
We're basically paralyzed and pazed nervous system so that they
couldn't breathe Did you ever use it?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did use it quite often and
had deer. I shot deer with it that I mean
tell you, they wouldn't go five yards after you stuck them.
You know. Wow, Now that stuff worked. Once they dumped
that load into the bloodstream, they didn't last they were down.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
The camp is gonna say that that drug broke down.
You could actually eat the meat. It didn't bother anything.
So I'll tell you got so many deer in Mississippi.
It rint that matter of what you use, you're not
going to affect the population.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
No, we're not, we're not. Actually we're not killing enough
deer here. Every year they come out and they change
the rules to make it easier for anybody to get
out and kill. There are seasons extremely long. We go
from October one to the middle of February NonStop. And uh,
they've made it now where like our primitive weapons seasons
and things like that. If you own land, you can
(08:06):
hunt with anything you want any time of the year,
throughout the year. You don't have to buy by the seasons,
you know, and we probably we have an estimated herd
of around three million, and there's more deer than our
people in Mississippi.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
I used to laugh at Louisiana. People say, well, what's
your limit? I said, well, the season will lasts for
three months and the limit is five for the season.
But there are no tags, so just don't drive around
with six deer.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
The honor system we don't have a We don't have
a tag system in Mississippi either. And they do the
loss a five dos and three bucks and you know,
you can actually kill two today. You can kill a
buckhann ado in the same day and still be legal.
But there I'm just wondering at which point they're going
(08:59):
to take that and say, look, just kill the deer.
We're not worried about Yeah, yeah, but we're.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Not gonna count. We don't worry about it. Just just
shoot them. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, my wife can't keep them out of her flower beds,
so she puts a she puts a hit out on them.
They resault.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
That was that was my wife. She was real happy
with the deer in the yard until they ate her
agapanthus and then it was game on.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
I'm telling you, they love my wife's Oh gosh, one
of those things. Uh oh, I forget the name of them.
They they eat those things to the ground. I'm telling
you quick.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Take right down exactly right, Hey, Rick, I appreciate the call,
a chance to talk about Winchester my ninety four twenty
two m for Magnum. I wish they'd bring that thing back, I.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Do to you. You know, there's a few. Henry's got one,
and I think Henry's making one now and uh Rossy
may be making one twenty now.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Got to look into that. There you go, all right, Well,
I appreciate the call, sir, good push to go down
memory lane on those deals. Hey guys, let's take our
quick break here. We'll come back on the back side
of it. Put all your gear on that you carry
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(10:19):
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You know?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
If it's like C four, it's almost like a smack hunting.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Yeah, we talk about that too.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
On your crosshairs, I like a thin crosshair ange.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You're really dating yourself by calling things cross hairs, you're
redical whatever.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Have some fun and stay informed with the Gun Talk podcast.
All right, we're back for the third time. Now, guys,
we're gonna try this again.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Inside Baseball is a.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Working with complete professionals.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Here.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
We've tried tried to do this rejoined three times.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Now we might even get right. One day, I.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Had this brilliant reintro and guys, and both of you
sat there like, what about pawn shops? Now, something say,
pawnshops and guns. Actually, a lot of times are deals
to be found in pawn shops.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And we've got a new guy in town who bought
out an old guy and he's, you know, the new guards.
So he's redoing everything in the old store was mom
and pop shopping. That's great, but so he's he's the
new fangled guy. So he's got Facebook ads all over
the place and reels and he's you know, doing silly stuff,
kind of like a car dealer, that sensationalized stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Uh, to get the name out there.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
But I'm thinking about, you know, it might be time
to pop back in there because you never know, I mean,
guitars and handguns. It seems to be where I've seen
the best values at least locally true.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
And a lot of times people don't know what they have,
and you know, they're pawning things off or they're just
selling them and you can walk in there and find something.
And of course you can also it's definitely let's make
a deal, cut of a deal, just make them a
low ball off or you never.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Know, right, you just don't want to do that and
negotiate with other customers in the parking lot.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
They're not real fond of that.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
No no, no, no, oh, that's all right.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
You're gonna go sell that gun to them. Huh, let
me see it, check that out?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I don't sit there and try to hijack them as
they're going into that.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I've seen it. I've seen people do it. What you selling?
What are you selling? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
No, I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
How much trouble did you get in trying to hijack
a police buy back?
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Actually? I know people who've done that. When they're doing
people have these guns supposed buybacks, and they'll set up
their own booth front that time, you know, and I've
actually gotten some guns and then eventually the police will
come over and say, you know, it's time for you
to leave. You go, well, it's legal. Yeah, we understand
you go. You're not hearing me. It's time for you
to Yes, sir, I'll be leaving now. Yep, there you go.
(13:08):
Of course, depending on the state, some states you can't
do that at all, but do what you can do.
I kind of like the idea of hijacking those things.
What I'd really like to do. I'd like to get
somebody to fund it, so you can say, I'm going
to buy the guns and then I'm going to redistribute
them to battered women.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Oh ah, I like it.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Now we're doing a pr move.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
And single mom and single mothers mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Yeah, ye, people who might need it and can't afford it,
and oh yeah, and they all come with a class,
a training class.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I like it. Like it.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, I just think it could be done. People could
do that individually in their own towns. Sorry, there you go.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Well you wouldn't catch any any resistance from that at all.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Resistance. This makes it for better media coverage, absolutely, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Since I like bringing up Michigan law, they've recently passed
on that any gun obtained through a buyback program must
be destroyed and they made that because they found out
they were farming it out. They'd send those guns to
another place out of state, and they would disassemble them
and resell the parts.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Which makes sense. I like that. It's a it's a resource. Well,
it's like if they use if they used government money
to buy the guns, they shouldn't be able to destroy
them because that's the destruction of government property at that point.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But they do it. They do it, do it all
the time and stuff.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
I know that's ok.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Or we leave one hundred and eighty billion dollars in
military gear overseas, Thanks Biden.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Yeah, there you go. I would like to go and
get one of those tanks. I think that'd be cool.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You would think, yeah you can. I think you can.
I want it aired, I want it tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
You can own the tank, but I think you probably
can't own the gun on the tank. Yeah, it's a
weird deal.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Even if it was.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
There are some people, you know, there are some people
that own uh well no, he gets into destructive what
do they call it? Destructive devices? Is so big and yeah, yeah,
that's fine, exactly right. Obviously, there are people who have
all like World War One were not? Were World War
two tanks? Right?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Get some weird looks at the d m V with
those two.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
And you know what inspection You can get any parking
place you.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Want, you make a parking spot.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Really, that's right? That smart car? Oh yeah, that one
I'm sitting on top of.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Not so smart? Now, are you poll?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
There you go, Some one of those come by me
the other day. It was weird, just like this little
bugs zipping down the.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Road a tennis shoe.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah, goofy. You know, talk about a thing you don't
want to be in an accident.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And I'm sure there's standards they have to pass and
blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I still want metal in front of me.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yeah, I like weight, you know, just stuff around me.
There you go. Well so, but if you want a
used lever gun, obviously you got the online sources. But honestly,
gun shows are not a bad place to go. There's
the stuff that people have at their tables and their booths,
(16:35):
but also you got people just walking around with a
gun over the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You want to sell it, right, And keep in mind
a lot of these guys are gun collectors that have
passed away, et cetera. And the family doesn't really know
what they have, so they're gonna either broke them off,
get rid of them, or let you know, Jerry's going
to take him to the gun show and see what
he can get. You get every once in a while
run across a great deal, it's.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
All, yeah, it is. It's it's you know that, every
once in a while it happens, So it's the one
you talk about for years after that.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Those are usually ones you're you know what I should
have bought? Yeah, you know what I could?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
God lord, Yeah, only we had that caller. Today they've
got what thirty guns from an estate's sale, right, m hm, Yeah,
he's different way to go about it.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Or he might take ten of them to a show
and see what he can.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Turn right yep.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Solary is pretty with gunbroker though. Gun broker, and.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
That's you know, if the think about that is you
have to be willing to take that on. It's almost
a partial job. Is you're going to list these and
answer the questions, and then when you get it sold,
you have to package it, box it up and you know,
take it to whoever is going to be shipping it
for you, you know, process the fund eBay, it becomes
a thing. Yeah. I don't think you can do that
(17:57):
with eBay.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
No, but it's basically a lot of people can all
make a living doing it.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Oh yeah, but that's all gun broker is eBay for gun.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
That's what I was where it came from.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Yeah, that's where it comes from. But it is also work.
And if you have a bunch of guns you're trying
to get rid of them, you know, then you say, okay,
if I don't want to do that, then that's when
something like Johnny Dory Dory's guns comes in.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
He'll buy them all at effect.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
It make it easy for you.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Sounds three ways to go something you a great retirement project,
catalog and what you got. Here's the catalog and what
you've got, and what you think you can turn and
make an event out of it. I mean, if you
break down the time you put in versus the profit
you may it's probably not a great revenue stream.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
But it's not about that.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It's just just like reloading, when you break down what
you really put into it and then you pay yourself
for the time you get.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
It not saved any money.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
A new hobby exactly have a case some.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Fun thing to do, exactly. All right, Well, I think
I have to go shop for a lover action gun.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Now I knew that was coming, so as soon as
that all mood changed there. I'm like, he's going to
start shopping levers.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
And then you said it.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
You know, Marlin had the Model thirty nine twenty two
rim firel ever gun. Of course they're not making them now,
but people are asking them, are you guys going to
get into that? And they keep saying, you know, we're
looking at it one of these days. I liked those guns.
They were solid as rock and really nice. If you
could find you a Marlin Model thirty nine, that would
(19:30):
be a good day.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yet too, that's funny too because the you know, a
few years back, you might you might have said, well,
they probably won't.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Be making that lever again.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It had its run, it had its glory day, right,
But I think you have a lot to do with this.
But the refreshment and their juvenition of levers, I mean
has in the past five six years.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
There's a lot of interest in them.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So that could flip around because it's always about money, right,
If nobody's going to make something just to make somebody happy.
The company's there to make money for themselves, their shareholders,
et cetera. So if there's if they're going to lose money,
they're probably not going to make it. But you know
what I mean, And it's ten years ago there wasn't
a huge demand for lovers, but boy it's turned around.
(20:12):
Well you and Anthony. I credit you and Anthony to
be honest.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Yeah, Anthonyparado over at Henry. I mean, he did such
a great job of promoting him and built a heck
of a company out of it.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, I have one of his fine pieces or caliber
three twenty seven federal.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I got it to match the revolver.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Well, let's see, we are going to be doing a
show from the NRA show in two weeks, and with
any luck, when we are there, we're going to be
able to keep a figures crossed announce a GC thirty gun.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Not familiar were not familiar with those times.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Yeah, I don't know. We'll figure it out. But this
is assuming that the manufacturer can get us one and
we got something to take a picture of and if
you know, a lot of moving parts and we only
have two weeks to make it happen. So we shall see.
But I'm I'm working on. That's our in house deadline.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
We're working on. Oh cool, very cool. Yeah, and we
got we got easter coming up.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Got easter coming up. Yep, everybody have them nice safe easter.
Probably go shooting, yep, that's what we do for all
the whole family.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Why not.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
There you go, then don't shoot their too expensive. Yeah, no, kidd,
that's right, don't shoot, no Wiggs. But I'm gonna work
on my loads for the new dire Wolf.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
So yeah, I gave you all. There'll be a bunch
of them the forty. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
They can just make them, you know, they just pop
them out right, three DPrint, test tube wool. But I
like this idea.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
I like where he's going with this. All right, you travel,
have a great week, yep, you hip.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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