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-- The .270 Winchester rifle cartridge fills the sweet spot for most big game hunting in North America.
-- Baby Boomers are aging out of shooting and selling their guns, which make for some great bargains.
-- Tom and Jim get full auto BB guns, and the fun begins.
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-- The .270 Winchester rifle cartridge fills the sweet spot for most big game hunting in North America.
-- Baby Boomers are aging out of shooting and selling their guns, which make for some great bargains.
-- Tom and Jim get full auto BB guns, and the fun begins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the Gun Talk After Show
podcast where we saved all the best things that.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We can't say on regular radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
All right after sure time. We've got Jim Kinsey, you
got Michelle Cleland, you got Tom sitting over in the corner.
You're pouting again.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He's got you've got a pea shooter. What are you
doing with.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
As long as you didn't have your machine gun meeting.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's obviously a single shot.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, that's what's coming next. So much fun wads. Yeah,
oh my god.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
But you're right, you need to get another magazine for
that thing.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Absolutely. Yeah, we'll talk about that after we chat with
Scott here.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Okay, yes, Scot's over in oklahoma' be talking about the
one hundredth birthday of the two seventy Winchester.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Hey Scott, Hey, yeah, I got.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
A I want to share a little story about my
two seventy. I got it probably about ten years or
so ago. It was my first rifle I ever got.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Went and I picked the two seventy because I went
to the local gun store and said, hey, I'm new
to this, I want to be hunting, and what do
you recommend? They said, well, the two seventy will take
just about anything in North America. I said, okay, so
that's why I went with that. It's a seven. I
think it's a one sixteen with the stainless barrel. Really
nice love the trigger, yeah, really good value. So anyway,
(01:47):
so then a few years ago, my buddy and I
went to go to Colorado. We hired an outfitter to
do a calo O coon and we took our bows
and rifles, you know, bos because we're overly optimistic, and
rifles cause we're really.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
So because you're because you want some meet right exactly what?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah, So so we we so we were scouting with
our bows. We uh for the first day or so,
didn't see anything, you know, out with the truck. We
were out scouting with the truck and everything. Didn't see anything.
So the next day we took we decided well let's
take one bow and uh one rifle. So so we
didn't see anything that second day. So just like just
(02:27):
like it is often with hunting, you know nothing, nothing, nothing,
bam everything. So on our third day, just as the last,
the last few minutes of sunlight, we're coming down. Uh
got we got on a small herd cows. So we
got up there crypped up on him. We were probably
eighty yards I think is what it was from from him,
(02:47):
and my buddy handed me his video camera, so I'm
videoing him. We decided he was going to go first,
so I'm videing him. He's taking the rifle because we're
run out of time. So he takes the rifle and
I'm doing him creeping up there. We get up there
and he gets he gets down, gets his shot ready,
squeeze it off, bam. And so I'm I'm video on him,
(03:08):
zoom in from him, zoom back out, zoom in on
the on the on the elk, zoom back out, and
all of a sudden, here is gunn look over him.
I'm like what he goes take the gun. I'm like,
what why he goes shoot it? I'm like, what the
hell I was? I was still zoomed in on the elk.
(03:29):
I didn't see what the rest of the herd did.
They scattered off maybe ten yards, and then they stood,
They're going, what was that? So so he hands me,
he hands me my own rifle, and then so I
hand him the camera and I lined up on my
elk and fam took her, took her out too, So
we doubled up within about three minutes with the same
(03:51):
rifle in the last few minutes of the day.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Oh that's terrific.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And there's I tell you, the two seventy is the
sweet sp I mean, honestly, two seventy, two eighty or
two d Actlee on a thirty out six, I think
those are all pretty comparable. It's just you get a
little bit less recoil and maybe a slightly flatter trajectory
with the two seventy. But that's just a great cartridge.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Oh yeah, I absolutely love it. And ever since I
got it, I've been doing a lot of comparison, comparison
with the different ballistics and the numbers and everything, and
I think I found one that that my rifle likes,
and it's really relatively flat shooting. It's been fantastic I've
taken several deer with it, and uh, it's just it
works fantastic, and like like you said, I mean, it's
(04:40):
got enough punch to take care of what you need
to do, but not enough to where it punishes you.
So I absolutely love it. And I didn't know it
was one hundred year anniversary. So when you told me that,
I was like, hey, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You go, I'm hunting with one hundred year old cartridge.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yeah, I know. So, I mean so I like the
nostalgia of the too, So there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Hey Scott, Hey, Scott, you've obviously one hundred more than
I have. I just have a real quick question for you.
Said you were you're spotting with your bowling with the truck,
would it be easier using a scope or binoculars or something? Jeez,
I mean I'm a newbie.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You know, Scott, you can ignore him because we.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Try.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He keeps getting the microphone back.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I know, microphone. Yeah, I like.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, I like to play, well played, sir. Oh Hey,
thanks Scott, thanks for the call. So hey, thanks for
the picture. I've got a picture of Scott in his
elk right here.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
He just emailed me. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's cool neat all?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Right, thanks sir. Yeah, that the two seventy is. I
don't know, it's one of those. The problem is it's
not sexy. It's one hundred years old. People go, oh, yeah,
that thing. But then you start comparing the ballistics of
it with everything else, You're going, well, it's better than
a sixty five creed More, significantly better.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well there was a time that that was the caliber, right, people,
is like two forty three. It's like it's still a
little too small. You don't have enough choice in ammunition.
And then you know the creed More has taken all
of the lime light anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I have, Yes, But if you said, okay, I want
to I want long ring shooting, if you talk about
out elk or or hunting, the tow seventy is still
better than the sixty five creed More.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I know I have just.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Made enemies of millions of people who wear man bunsh You.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Know, it's funny we talked about all the all the
differences and the ballistics in the.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay you know there was when you used to wear your.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean you just got a going the just
own't it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
The band bun.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that's kind of a man bun.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We talk about all these these particulars, you know, flat
trajectory and BC and everything else. Often. I think a
lot of folks overlook shot placement is still what it's
all about.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
No, no, no, no, Yeah. With a powerful gun, you can
miss them and still kill them.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh okay, see, like I said, I don't have much.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, you're shooting the general direction. It works.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's like a shotgun. Good what thirty five feet spread
to them?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I think, well, yeah, now that they have these heat
seeking bullets, you know, you just kind of shoot it
out there.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
He'll find them, He'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I got to get the one that actually guts the
animal and dresses it out.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of kind of like this Tesso
self driving rig. You could have the whole outfitter gun
that takes care of everything for you.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, I mean, the way we're heading with this new
animal eighty thousand PSI. You got to be kidding.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is that crazy? It's you know, it's like, okay, what
are you actually getting here? Get about two hundred fet
per second more out of it. You're in the same
length barrel. Okay, fine, which means that if you cut
the barrel down by six or eight inches, which people
are doing, you give up the two hundred, but you're
(08:15):
actually back.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To the velocity.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So now if you say, okay, but I'm not gonna
shoot with a short barrel and I don't really care
about hunting with a suppressor, there's no particular advantage to it.
I mean, yeah, you're gonna get another two hundred pet
per second out of.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It, but breaking Yeah, the reality is, and.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Here's the hard part for even I struggle with this
because you want all the velocity you can get out
of it. Two hundred fet per second doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I mean, if you said, okay, I'm gonna shoot a
three thousand feet per second or twenty eight hundred feet
per second and shoot a deer or an elk at
three hundred or even four hundred yards, it won't make
a bit of difference. Well, part of that here's the
fun part, fun with numbers.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Here.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
If you start out two hundred pet per second difference
at the muzzle, when you get to four hundred yards,
you're probably about six hundred per second. Now I'm correcting
sixty per second difference because the faster the bullet it is,
the faster it slows down with wind resistance.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Really, so yeah, two hundred.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Foot per second difference at the muzzle is probably a
sixty foot per second difference out there, and nobody can
tell the difference out there, all.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Right, with these higher pressures and stuff. What about twist rates?
I mean, you've got longer bullets, right, well.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You're going to have to have the same Well, I
have to run some numbers. You're still going to have
a fast twist rate because all of those are going
to be made for longer bullets.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
For faster twist rate than standards.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
So I guess the.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Real answer would be, you wouldn't want to just play
with this for a second. Take your rifle you have
now and just rechamber the barrel for this new cartridge
and you use the same twist rate. If you've got
a one to ten twist rate, you'd want a faster
twist rate. But if you're buying a new rifle for it,
they're all going to come with a fast twist right.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Now, got yeah, right right? Makes sense, And I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Not sure people will do it, But I'm not sure
it would be wise to try to chamber this new
cartridge to just rem out your barrel on your current rifle.
Who knows if it can handle the pressure. I'm just
a little and I know that, you know. Mike said, Well,
the steelcase really takes care of it, and the rifle
(10:39):
kind of feels the same pressure. And that's probably true.
I'm sure they've tested the devil out of it. But man,
I'd like to have a year or two behind us
on this before they were to shoot in a regular rifle.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Or just let your buddy shoot it first.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Well, there's that, and you stand pretty far behind him,
Sure be fine, no problem, you know. Or as we
have occasionally done, who we're doing experiments that we probably
shouldn't talk about. Uh, you fire the gun with a
string on the trigger and you're standing way back there.
Mm hm, Yes, we've done that too.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah. And when we get back we should discuss my
why I'm going to start wearing safety glasses inside my
home while doing anything gun related whatsoever?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Well why not?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I mean, you're already are wrapped in bubble wrap when
you're walking around. That's not a bad idea either.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and it has a chemical reaction with the tinfoil
hat and stuff that the two don't mess real.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well dissimilar property.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Uh huh be back.
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Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, so we got Jim unwrapped from the bubble wrap
and Michelle has a lot too upside the head and
tenfoil hat fell off, thank you, by the way. Yeah,
so what happened Jim?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, you know how these uh full auto these just
destructive full auto BB guns. You know they're CO two
powered of course, right right? And I haven't played with
the COEO two cartridge in thirty forty years, right, So
I opened up the mag I popped the first one
that says first, pop that in first. I'm thinking that
(13:08):
makes sense, popped it in, took out the little Allan wrench,
and tightened it right, and I got to the point
of it was piercing, you know, kept turning and sealed whatever.
That's cool. Pop in number two, which is labeled second
throw it in there, tighten the screw. Nothing tightened the
screw some more. Nothing going a bad piercing thing or something.
(13:30):
So I backed it off a little. Nothing backed it off.
The second time, full blast of at CO two came up,
hitting in the face. I think everyone No, it was
oh great, oh wow. But you know, as as I
dodged it, I was tightening the alerench to save that
precious that's right, right, So I wasn't. I wasn't. That.
(13:53):
It's kind of like remedial uh bb gun handling for me.
But boy, what a surprise that was. I could have
been could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, yeah, it's just something about following the instructions. But
then again, I will say, having just done this, I
had to actually get out my phone and go to
the magnifier for the instructions are so small and horrible.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, oh my gosh. But let's talk about the coolest stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well, okay, this is a Crossman brand bb gun, but
it is an AR fifteen style.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Not style, I mean it is. It is.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You use the same controls, same weight, same size, same trigger,
same everything. And it's an SBR So you got short
barrel and it comes in the box and says DPMs
panther arms, so it looks just like a DPMs AR,
but it's a full auto. It is a machine gun
BB gun.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Don't don't leave on the backseat of your truck if
you're driving around, by the way, folks, it's it's identical.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
To Yeah, you got some splaining to do.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
At that point, I was surprised that it was metal.
I really was. I mean, when I got my hands
on it, it's it feels like an A. There's no
difference to me feeling between that and a smaller age
of sbr AI.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
And we both jumped on this.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
This was a pal Meta State Armory had a sale
because they are the great outlet for people in the
gun industry. They have say Okay, we got some of these,
we need to get rid of them. Call PSA. They'll
buy them for nothing and they'll just dump them on
the market. So that's why we get our daily emails
from PSA.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yep, that's cool. It was good. It was goodbye.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
You know the problem with it is that the magazine
only holds twenty.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Five bbs, and.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
By my account, that's roughly three seconds if they burst.
If that it's fast, it's fourteen hundred bbs per minuted.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's like a great how many cylinders per magazine?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Two cylinders a magazine? But I don't know how many
shots you'll get out of the CO two.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's a good.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Question, how many shots you get up with one of
your CO two cartridges.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I want to retrofit this thing where I could wear
a scuba tank and just power it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Hey, remember that eighty thousand PSI our guests just talking.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
About, Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's so tactical. But they do sell that. They do
sell the mags. I was a little surprised at the
price of those, A little stiff.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Six sixty bucks for a spare mag Yes, so I
went ahead and bought one. Of course, sure, naturally, the
next question is what are you gonna do with it?
I have fun, I don't know, a lineup Dixie cups
or something.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I was writing my name in the snow today, but
I don't want to talk about that. That's immature.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
That's the whole different issue. Didn't even have the gun
with you.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Thank you, Frank Zappa.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
So oh, we should throw in the required safety tip.
Bebes are notorious for bouncing off of stuff and coming
back and hitting you. I mean like, if anybody who
shot BB guns much, either as a kid as an adult,
has had a bounce back and hit you, I think
maybe Jim had that happen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
No, Tom never, honest. Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
First, an additional story to our story.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Why why is he rubbing his foreheading?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well, first time I took my daughter, who was about eight,
I was getting here into gun and I do the
BB gun step up to center rim fire, center fire,
and it's putting on glasses because yeah, but but BB
guns aren't like real guns. Dad, I know we treat
them like that, but they're not real guns. Why do
you have to wear safety glasses? I say, well, first
of all, it's just a good habit. And second of all,
(17:34):
they do bounce back, and she's like, okay, very first
shot she takes bounces back, hits me in the safety glass.
You'll care now you know why we teach? Well, I
got a story out of it, and I kept my vision.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But well, and there is a quality difference in glasses.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yes, m M, yes, safety glasses. You're they don't have
to be expensive. I mean you can go.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
To Costco and buy a pack of three sets of
safety glasses for like twelve bucks in the hardware store.
And yeah, they're not style as shooting glasses, but they
are polycarbonate and they're made for safety glasses in their work.
And the thing I like about them is where they
get scratched, you throw them away.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I've had some that are so bad it distorts the
site picture or some of them. For some of them,
they have such a large nose piece with the you know,
they have like a plastic that goes along it for
just comfort, I guess of wearing that is so large,
like so you can see when you're trying to focus
(18:41):
on your site. So so you know, you might get
what you you get with some of those prices.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But I'm liking this idea. I've just added to my
alibi list here.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You've never encountered that before?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well, I no, I can't even imagine that happened anybody, Michelle.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
He doesn't miss.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, I'm not saying I miss I'm just saying when
when they're on and you're lining down a rifle, you're like, hmm.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You can see on the checkbords you can see the
waves work. There's actually a wave to it, to the image. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Oh yeah, they're optically terrible.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's what they are. Yeah, exactly, Yes, so ot is
we say in the business Michelle.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Technical term.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, not over time terrible.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
They are.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
But you know it's everybody ought to have good safety
glasses and you can buy it. You don't have to
get the two hundred dollars Oakley's or something you can know,
you know, but for twenty bucks you can get a
pretty decent set somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
But you know, the three dollars pair are better than
nothing at all. So I don't want to just get that.
It's you know, that's.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Why I keep a package of those with me.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
When somebody shows up at the range and they don't
have anything, and I say, like, you have to wear these,
Oh I don't need this?
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Well you do.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
If you're gonna shoot with me, you're not going to
shoot with me without glasses.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Not happening, because you know the one time you don't oh.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, it's just like yeah, you know, it really gets
to it drives them crazy. It's when we require our
camera operators to wear them.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Oh yeah, because it gets in the way of there.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Oh it gets the way that you find here and
everything else and say no, no, they said we have, but
I'm behind the camera. No that there's just no and
I'm always having to look around and they've always taken
them off. They've always tried to cheat, and you go, no,
you stop, We're stopping this video. Shoot right now until
you get your glasses on.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Now, if the range was was dead, would you not hot?
Would would you let them pull focus? And then they
don't have to have it at all if we're not
actually firing guns.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But the moment we start, we go hot. And of
course we own the range, so there's nobody else shooting
when we're doing this, right, so we can.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Pull off stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But it's like, yeah, no, and there's something that happens,
And of course, I bet if we talk for all
my life, something very interesting happens. When you're looking through
a view finder. Nothing is real. It's just stuff you're
shooting video of hazard. Hazard's not real. It's why these
camera guys get run over by linebackers.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
You're so focused.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, they're so focused.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's not I mean, we had a guy on an
American Sportsman shoot and we were doing a snake show
and there was a snake I know, I know, I know,
I know, and he had a camera on a like
a you know, like a snake grabber and he was
holding a small camera snake grabber head down there right
in front of the snake so get the close up shot,
(21:39):
and it slipped out of the snake, out of the
snake grabber, and so this camera lands right next to
this rattlesnake and he just reaches down and picks up
the camera.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
We all we always went and it's like then he went.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oh my gosh, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
There's just something weird happened. So back to our guys.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Our guys are really really good, but even with all
that experience, there's a tendency to go back into the
viewfinder and just look and not put on their safety glasses.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
With some of the matches, you can't you're not allowed
to be up on the lines if you don't have
your safety glasses. So you know, there's a lot of
precautions that are out there and hearing.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Too, I mean, is that they group them together.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh I'm sure. I mean, I guess that's never been
a special extra announcement that has to be made. But
shooting glasses on, that's a big thing. And some of
the people, depending on how they climb up on, especially
like the ars, they're so close to their optic there's
barely clearance room there with safety wear on, So it's
(22:45):
a problem for some people.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
And if you're just even if you're not shooting, there's
stuff that's flying out of guns all the time, whether it's.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Brass or gas or extra shooting.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And if you're shooting steal mean, man, those bullets could
come back from steel from a long way out. Yes,
everybody around when you're shooting has to be wearing glasses,
which is again another reason for having a whole bunch
of those cheap ones with. You have some neighbors come out.
People just want to watch you shooting. It's right, you're
welcome to watch, but you all have to be wearing glasses.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not negotiable.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, I'm totally not.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm picturing Jim going out and practicing with his new
semi auto BB gun, and I'm envisioning or it is
full auto sorry, full auto.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
It's fully semi.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Ato semi though if you if you can't handle it,
the recoil, the massive recoil, the mule jump, muddle rise.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So I'm envisioning Jim almost in a dodgeball tournament with himself.
What's all these babies coming back?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I love it?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh yeah, we'll have to have somebody shoot some footage
and just in case you never know.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna actually I have en have toime after
we get off this is a technic gown are when
we get off off air, I'm gonna have Tom shoot it. Shooty,
what do you think here? I didn't offer because I
like Tom.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Okay, Michelle, are you anywhere near your phone right now?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Let me see?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yes, okay, Oh I have to watch a movie.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yeah, all right, turn the volume up.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Okay, here we go. I have to turn my volume on.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
That's twenty five bbs.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Good thing that's got a suppressor on the end of it?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Is that just silliest thing?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So how well does this stay on target? Do you
have to make a lot of movement to readjust to
get back on target?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Fortunately, you know, with the full of it's kind of
a shotgun. You don't have to hang kind.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Of like the same shots, size going down, the same pattern.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You look at your watch, get a bite.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It's like you're thinking, what can I do with this?
I don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
You just dot it, come on, Gresham, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Oh yeah we can, we can. We can spend more
on a red dot and then we spin on this
stupid gun.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Right, somebody's out there like turn those woodpeckers rather like crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
It sounds like good analogy.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Gets the woodpecker on meth.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And now and now bee, I learned something else, and
now now daca again, I haven't touched the b begun
and well I shouldn't say I've touched one, but I
haven't done the BB thing in quite a while. And
now I mean because they're always brass bebes right, oh yeah,
they're right now they're black and Tom said his or
silver silver steel, like.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
They're still okay an alloy, no.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Man, yeah, fun.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Stuff, you know, it's like, okay, you're just an excuse
to go have some fun somewhere.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But it's not a gun technically, so ships right to
your house.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
We're just weary warriors in the battle against boredom.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And it looks like we've lost today.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Oh well, that's okay, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
If this would have been out prior to Christmas time,
oh the videos you could have had.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yes. So coming up, we're gonna be doing two shows
from the floor of a shot show, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Have nothing exciting about that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Nothing going on there.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
One of the fun parts is when you're doing that
sometimes I'll have somebody walk by here I'll know and
just holler at them, Hey, come over here, sit down here,
put his head set on while you're doing the.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Show, right, not even on break, not.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Just in the middle of the middleton. You never know
what's going to happen. Who cares.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
People come around the corner and they're zitching down like
excrestion them.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
She took over? Make you get on that stupid radio show.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Well, it's not like there's not enough of other boots
you could check out that places you. I always thought,
next time I go, I'm gonna wear a pedometer just
to see how much mile did you cover, because it's
it's huge, huge.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
In the Since the last time you were there, they've
added one hundred and fifty one hundred and eighty thousand
square feet.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Holy so didn't they do something in the basement or
a parking garage or something.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Oh no, No, they've opened up a section of Caesar's
Palace which is across the street, but they have a
bridge that walks over the street so you.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Can walk over there.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
So they've actually outgrown the whole hall space of shot
Show and added more across the street.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Wow. Yeah, people don't like guns. They'll never catch on.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
And there, you know, I just turn to people, No,
you cannot go unless you are working in the firearms industry.
And they're pretty much attuned to all the scams of
people trying to get in.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I also turn down media, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, you're only allowed so many people too, it's not
like you can get twelve people in.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Oh A good point. Yeah, I like for your store.
If you said, okay, we're going to send all my buddies,
then we're gonna tell they work for the store they're got.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, I don't think so. They're they're limiting media or
canning media.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
They're limiting media. If met it just shows up, they
haven't preregistered, they're not getting in. And sometimes they just
say no, we're not letting you in because you're completely
anti gun and we don't have to because this is
really not open to the public, so you can only
come in if we agree to it.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So they do their own security.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Oh boy do they ever.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
And they also, interestingly enough, have trackers on your badges
really oh yes, huh oh yeah, so they know where
you go in the show, so that helps them plan
out the traffic flow and where the gaps are, where
people are bottlenecking and all that for next year.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, it is, well, you them.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'll just I'll just leave in the men's room like
I'll be at the ruger booth.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Okay, it's all agreshom does he in for three hours
going on?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So I'm trying to think of it's anything else I've
heard that's oh oh oh oh. On the subject of
the new cartridge, Uh, Seekings makes really good high end
rifles and they are located in Lewiston, Idaho. They just
announce they're going to stop making all the guns that
(29:49):
they make and they're going to convert completely to rifles
being made for high pressure calibers.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's where the market's going. I thank you, yep, yep, they.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Said that's where it's going. And you know, whether you want.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
The short barrel with a suppressor or you want more
velocity for long range shooting, that's going to be where
they focus. Now, I thought, well that's a really interesting
data point and maybe indicative of where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, yeah, it fascinates me because people are oh, competition
shooting doesn't change the changes the industry hugely. So all this,
you know, long range shooting, whatever platform you might be in,
is really changing this industry. You know, the ARS did
the same thing. They just push them to be a
(30:36):
higher performance, more precision items.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
It's kind of like NASCAR in consumer atomoment. Yeah, absolutely, the.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Same same thing.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, they work on better systems, better better ammo bear bullets,
better rifles, better barrels, better optics, better, on and on
and on, and they're spending tons of money to win competition.
And we're looking at and going you know, I could
I could actually use that for hunting, Yes, you could.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
All that that and military stuff. Yeah, same thing things
developed a military that eventually get into the consumer world.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Well at least they don't use our money to develop
the military stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
M h wait, all right, that's out loud. I didn't
mean that to be.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now, I'm afraid to open the door.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
But she's going to send me a slap a gram.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Sure they don't. It's sure.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Yeah, that's just government money. It's not your money.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean, you know, you're welcome for us paying our taxes.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
That's all you say.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
That's right, thank you very much. Here's it. Wisely, I
know you won't, but you.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Please, right, make sure the soldiers are paid at least
well there, then.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
At least we got that going. You know, we got
that going for us, which is this not going to
be all right? We don't want to go with political
but man, in a week we're going to have the
inauguration and then we are off to the races.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, and you're to be airport, you know what.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I will be at shot Show.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, you're the inauguration that that's going to.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Be fun to watch the reaction. I was.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I was there at shot Show when he got inaugurated
last time in sixteen sixty. Yeah, I guess seventeen it
was inauguration and everything stopped on the floor of the
Shot Show. You got eight nine hundred thousand square feet
of exhibit space and there are televisions and a lot
(32:35):
of the booths and everybody moved to where there was
a television and just stopped and watched it and watched
the swearing at it. It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's probably why there weren't so many people on the
actual mall in DC, because.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
They show.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Small.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Well, i'll give you the report from there, guys.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It'll be fun, it'll be awesome looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
All right, be safe out there, and you know, if
you want more pressure, you're going just pull that trigger harder.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
What didn't work it right
Speaker 2 (33:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you wanted a little bit more.
So that's why you found the Gun Talk After Show
podcast where we saved all the best things that.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
We can't say on regular radio.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
All right after sure time. We've got Jim Kinsey, you
got Michelle Cleland, you got Tom sitting over in the corner.
You're pouting again.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
He's got you've got a pea shooter. What are you
doing with.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
As long as you didn't have your machine gun meeting.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's obviously a single shot.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, that's what's coming next. So much fun wads. Yeah,
oh my god.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
But you're right, you need to get another magazine for
that thing.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Absolutely. Yeah, we'll talk about that after we chat with
Scott here.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Okay, yes, Scot's over in oklahoma' be talking about the
one hundredth birthday of the two seventy Winchester.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Hey Scott, Hey, yeah, I got.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
A I want to share a little story about my
two seventy. I got it probably about ten years or
so ago. It was my first rifle I ever got.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Went and I picked the two seventy because I went
to the local gun store and said, hey, I'm new
to this, I want to be hunting, and what do
you recommend? They said, well, the two seventy will take
just about anything in North America. I said, okay, so
that's why I went with that. It's a seven. I
think it's a one sixteen with the stainless barrel. Really
nice love the trigger, yeah, really good value. So anyway,
(01:47):
so then a few years ago, my buddy and I
went to go to Colorado. We hired an outfitter to
do a calo O coon and we took our bows
and rifles, you know, bos because we're overly optimistic, and
rifles cause we're really.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
So because you're because you want some meet right exactly what?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Yeah, So so we we so we were scouting with
our bows. We uh for the first day or so,
didn't see anything, you know, out with the truck. We
were out scouting with the truck and everything. Didn't see anything.
So the next day we took we decided well let's
take one bow and uh one rifle. So so we
didn't see anything that second day. So just like just
(02:27):
like it is often with hunting, you know nothing, nothing, nothing,
bam everything. So on our third day, just as the last,
the last few minutes of sunlight, we're coming down. Uh
got we got on a small herd cows. So we
got up there crypped up on him. We were probably
eighty yards I think is what it was from from him,
(02:47):
and my buddy handed me his video camera, so I'm
videoing him. We decided he was going to go first,
so I'm videing him. He's taking the rifle because we're
run out of time. So he takes the rifle and
I'm doing him creeping up there. We get up there
and he gets he gets down, gets his shot ready,
squeeze it off, bam. And so I'm I'm video on him,
(03:08):
zoom in from him, zoom back out, zoom in on
the on the on the elk, zoom back out, and
all of a sudden, here is gunn look over him.
I'm like what he goes take the gun. I'm like,
what why he goes shoot it? I'm like, what the
hell I was? I was still zoomed in on the elk.
(03:29):
I didn't see what the rest of the herd did.
They scattered off maybe ten yards, and then they stood,
They're going, what was that? So so he hands me,
he hands me my own rifle, and then so I
hand him the camera and I lined up on my
elk and fam took her, took her out too, So
we doubled up within about three minutes with the same
(03:51):
rifle in the last few minutes of the day.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Oh that's terrific.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And there's I tell you, the two seventy is the
sweet sp I mean, honestly, two seventy, two eighty or
two d Actlee on a thirty out six, I think
those are all pretty comparable. It's just you get a
little bit less recoil and maybe a slightly flatter trajectory
with the two seventy. But that's just a great cartridge.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Oh yeah, I absolutely love it. And ever since I
got it, I've been doing a lot of comparison, comparison
with the different ballistics and the numbers and everything, and
I think I found one that that my rifle likes,
and it's really relatively flat shooting. It's been fantastic I've
taken several deer with it, and uh, it's just it
works fantastic, and like like you said, I mean, it's
(04:40):
got enough punch to take care of what you need
to do, but not enough to where it punishes you.
So I absolutely love it. And I didn't know it
was one hundred year anniversary. So when you told me that,
I was like, hey, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
It really is.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You go, I'm hunting with one hundred year old cartridge.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yeah, I know. So, I mean so I like the
nostalgia of the too, So there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Hey Scott, Hey, Scott, you've obviously one hundred more than
I have. I just have a real quick question for you.
Said you were you're spotting with your bowling with the truck,
would it be easier using a scope or binoculars or something? Jeez,
I mean I'm a newbie.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
You know, Scott, you can ignore him because we.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Try.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He keeps getting the microphone back.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I know, microphone. Yeah, I like.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, I like to play, well played, sir. Oh Hey,
thanks Scott, thanks for the call. So hey, thanks for
the picture. I've got a picture of Scott in his
elk right here.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
He just emailed me. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's cool neat all?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Right, thanks sir. Yeah, that the two seventy is. I
don't know, it's one of those. The problem is it's
not sexy. It's one hundred years old. People go, oh, yeah,
that thing. But then you start comparing the ballistics of
it with everything else, You're going, well, it's better than
a sixty five creed More, significantly better.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well there was a time that that was the caliber, right, people,
is like two forty three. It's like it's still a
little too small. You don't have enough choice in ammunition.
And then you know the creed More has taken all
of the lime light anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I have, Yes, But if you said, okay, I want
to I want long ring shooting, if you talk about
out elk or or hunting, the tow seventy is still
better than the sixty five creed More.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I know I have just.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Made enemies of millions of people who wear man bunsh You.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Know, it's funny we talked about all the all the
differences and the ballistics in the.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay you know there was when you used to wear your.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean you just got a going the just
own't it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
The band bun.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, that's kind of a man bun.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We talk about all these these particulars, you know, flat
trajectory and BC and everything else. Often. I think a
lot of folks overlook shot placement is still what it's
all about.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
No, no, no, no, Yeah. With a powerful gun, you can
miss them and still kill them.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh okay, see, like I said, I don't have much.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, you're shooting the general direction. It works.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's like a shotgun. Good what thirty five feet spread
to them?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I think, well, yeah, now that they have these heat
seeking bullets, you know, you just kind of shoot it
out there.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
He'll find them, He'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I got to get the one that actually guts the
animal and dresses it out.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of kind of like this Tesso
self driving rig. You could have the whole outfitter gun
that takes care of everything for you.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, I mean, the way we're heading with this new
animal eighty thousand PSI. You got to be kidding.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is that crazy? It's you know, it's like, okay, what
are you actually getting here? Get about two hundred fet
per second more out of it. You're in the same
length barrel. Okay, fine, which means that if you cut
the barrel down by six or eight inches, which people
are doing, you give up the two hundred, but you're
(08:15):
actually back.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
To the velocity.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
So now if you say, okay, but I'm not gonna
shoot with a short barrel and I don't really care
about hunting with a suppressor, there's no particular advantage to it.
I mean, yeah, you're gonna get another two hundred pet
per second out of.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It, but breaking Yeah, the reality is, and.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Here's the hard part for even I struggle with this
because you want all the velocity you can get out
of it. Two hundred fet per second doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I mean, if you said, okay, I'm gonna shoot a
three thousand feet per second or twenty eight hundred feet
per second and shoot a deer or an elk at
three hundred or even four hundred yards, it won't make
a bit of difference. Well, part of that here's the
fun part, fun with numbers.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Here.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
If you start out two hundred pet per second difference
at the muzzle, when you get to four hundred yards,
you're probably about six hundred per second. Now I'm correcting
sixty per second difference because the faster the bullet it is,
the faster it slows down with wind resistance.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Really, so yeah, two hundred.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Foot per second difference at the muzzle is probably a
sixty foot per second difference out there, and nobody can
tell the difference out there, all.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Right, with these higher pressures and stuff. What about twist rates?
I mean, you've got longer bullets, right, well.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You're going to have to have the same Well, I
have to run some numbers. You're still going to have
a fast twist rate because all of those are going
to be made for longer bullets.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
For faster twist rate than standards.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
So I guess the.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Real answer would be, you wouldn't want to just play
with this for a second. Take your rifle you have
now and just rechamber the barrel for this new cartridge
and you use the same twist rate. If you've got
a one to ten twist rate, you'd want a faster
twist rate. But if you're buying a new rifle for it,
they're all going to come with a fast twist right.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Now, got yeah, right right? Makes sense, And I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Not sure people will do it, But I'm not sure
it would be wise to try to chamber this new
cartridge to just rem out your barrel on your current rifle.
Who knows if it can handle the pressure. I'm just
a little and I know that, you know. Mike said, Well,
the steelcase really takes care of it, and the rifle
(10:39):
kind of feels the same pressure. And that's probably true.
I'm sure they've tested the devil out of it. But man,
I'd like to have a year or two behind us
on this before they were to shoot in a regular rifle.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Or just let your buddy shoot it first.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Well, there's that, and you stand pretty far behind him,
Sure be fine, no problem, you know. Or as we
have occasionally done, who we're doing experiments that we probably
shouldn't talk about. Uh, you fire the gun with a
string on the trigger and you're standing way back there.
Mm hm, Yes, we've done that too.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah. And when we get back we should discuss my
why I'm going to start wearing safety glasses inside my
home while doing anything gun related whatsoever?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Well why not?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I mean, you're already are wrapped in bubble wrap when
you're walking around. That's not a bad idea either.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and it has a chemical reaction with the tinfoil
hat and stuff that the two don't mess real.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well dissimilar property.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Uh huh be back.
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Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, so we got Jim unwrapped from the bubble wrap
and Michelle has a lot too upside the head and
tenfoil hat fell off, thank you, by the way. Yeah,
so what happened Jim?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well, you know how these uh full auto these just
destructive full auto BB guns. You know they're CO two
powered of course, right right? And I haven't played with
the COEO two cartridge in thirty forty years, right, So
I opened up the mag I popped the first one
that says first, pop that in first. I'm thinking that
(13:08):
makes sense, popped it in, took out the little Allan wrench,
and tightened it right, and I got to the point
of it was piercing, you know, kept turning and sealed whatever.
That's cool. Pop in number two, which is labeled second
throw it in there, tighten the screw. Nothing tightened the
screw some more. Nothing going a bad piercing thing or something.
(13:30):
So I backed it off a little. Nothing backed it off.
The second time, full blast of at CO two came up,
hitting in the face. I think everyone No, it was
oh great, oh wow. But you know, as as I
dodged it, I was tightening the alerench to save that
precious that's right, right, So I wasn't. I wasn't. That.
(13:53):
It's kind of like remedial uh bb gun handling for me.
But boy, what a surprise that was. I could have
been could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, yeah, it's just something about following the instructions. But
then again, I will say, having just done this, I
had to actually get out my phone and go to
the magnifier for the instructions are so small and horrible.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, oh my gosh. But let's talk about the coolest stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Well, okay, this is a Crossman brand bb gun, but
it is an AR fifteen style.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Not style, I mean it is. It is.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You use the same controls, same weight, same size, same trigger,
same everything. And it's an SBR So you got short
barrel and it comes in the box and says DPMs
panther arms, so it looks just like a DPMs AR,
but it's a full auto. It is a machine gun
BB gun.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Don't don't leave on the backseat of your truck if
you're driving around, by the way, folks, it's it's identical.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
To Yeah, you got some splaining to do.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
At that point, I was surprised that it was metal.
I really was. I mean, when I got my hands
on it, it's it feels like an A. There's no
difference to me feeling between that and a smaller age
of sbr AI.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
And we both jumped on this.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
This was a pal Meta State Armory had a sale
because they are the great outlet for people in the
gun industry. They have say Okay, we got some of these,
we need to get rid of them. Call PSA. They'll
buy them for nothing and they'll just dump them on
the market. So that's why we get our daily emails
from PSA.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yep, that's cool. It was good. It was goodbye.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
You know the problem with it is that the magazine
only holds twenty.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Five bbs, and.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
By my account, that's roughly three seconds if they burst.
If that it's fast, it's fourteen hundred bbs per minuted.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's like a great how many cylinders per magazine?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Two cylinders a magazine? But I don't know how many
shots you'll get out of the CO two.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That's a good.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Question, how many shots you get up with one of
your CO two cartridges.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I want to retrofit this thing where I could wear
a scuba tank and just power it that way.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Hey, remember that eighty thousand PSI our guests just talking.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
About, Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's so tactical. But they do sell that. They do
sell the mags. I was a little surprised at the
price of those, A little stiff.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Six sixty bucks for a spare mag Yes, so I
went ahead and bought one. Of course, sure, naturally, the
next question is what are you gonna do with it?
I have fun, I don't know, a lineup Dixie cups
or something.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I was writing my name in the snow today, but
I don't want to talk about that. That's immature.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
That's the whole different issue. Didn't even have the gun
with you.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Thank you, Frank Zappa.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
So oh, we should throw in the required safety tip.
Bebes are notorious for bouncing off of stuff and coming
back and hitting you. I mean like, if anybody who
shot BB guns much, either as a kid as an adult,
has had a bounce back and hit you, I think
maybe Jim had that happen.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
No, Tom never, honest. Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
First, an additional story to our story.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Why why is he rubbing his foreheading?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well, first time I took my daughter, who was about eight,
I was getting here into gun and I do the
BB gun step up to center rim fire, center fire,
and it's putting on glasses because yeah, but but BB
guns aren't like real guns. Dad, I know we treat
them like that, but they're not real guns. Why do
you have to wear safety glasses? I say, well, first
of all, it's just a good habit. And second of all,
(17:34):
they do bounce back, and she's like, okay, very first
shot she takes bounces back, hits me in the safety glass.
You'll care now you know why we teach? Well, I
got a story out of it, and I kept my vision.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But well, and there is a quality difference in glasses.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yes, m M, yes, safety glasses. You're they don't have
to be expensive. I mean you can go.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
To Costco and buy a pack of three sets of
safety glasses for like twelve bucks in the hardware store.
And yeah, they're not style as shooting glasses, but they
are polycarbonate and they're made for safety glasses in their work.
And the thing I like about them is where they
get scratched, you throw them away.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I've had some that are so bad it distorts the
site picture or some of them. For some of them,
they have such a large nose piece with the you know,
they have like a plastic that goes along it for
just comfort, I guess of wearing that is so large,
like so you can see when you're trying to focus
(18:41):
on your site. So so you know, you might get
what you you get with some of those prices.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But I'm liking this idea. I've just added to my
alibi list here.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You've never encountered that before?
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well, I no, I can't even imagine that happened anybody, Michelle.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
He doesn't miss.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, I'm not saying I miss I'm just saying when
when they're on and you're lining down a rifle, you're like, hmm.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You can see on the checkbords you can see the
waves work. There's actually a wave to it, to the image. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Oh yeah, they're optically terrible.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's what they are. Yeah, exactly, Yes, so ot is
we say in the business Michelle.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Technical term.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, not over time terrible.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
They are.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
But you know it's everybody ought to have good safety
glasses and you can buy it. You don't have to
get the two hundred dollars Oakley's or something you can know,
you know, but for twenty bucks you can get a
pretty decent set somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
But you know, the three dollars pair are better than
nothing at all. So I don't want to just get that.
It's you know, that's.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Why I keep a package of those with me.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
When somebody shows up at the range and they don't
have anything, and I say, like, you have to wear these,
Oh I don't need this?
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Well you do.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
If you're gonna shoot with me, you're not going to
shoot with me without glasses.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Not happening, because you know the one time you don't oh.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, it's just like yeah, you know, it really gets
to it drives them crazy. It's when we require our
camera operators to wear them.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Oh yeah, because it gets in the way of there.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Oh it gets the way that you find here and
everything else and say no, no, they said we have, but
I'm behind the camera. No that there's just no and
I'm always having to look around and they've always taken
them off. They've always tried to cheat, and you go, no,
you stop, We're stopping this video. Shoot right now until
you get your glasses on.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Now, if the range was was dead, would you not hot?
Would would you let them pull focus? And then they
don't have to have it at all if we're not
actually firing guns.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But the moment we start, we go hot. And of
course we own the range, so there's nobody else shooting
when we're doing this, right, so we can.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Pull off stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
But it's like, yeah, no, and there's something that happens,
And of course, I bet if we talk for all
my life, something very interesting happens. When you're looking through
a view finder. Nothing is real. It's just stuff you're
shooting video of hazard. Hazard's not real. It's why these
camera guys get run over by linebackers.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
You're so focused.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, they're so focused.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's not I mean, we had a guy on an
American Sportsman shoot and we were doing a snake show
and there was a snake I know, I know, I know,
I know, and he had a camera on a like
a you know, like a snake grabber and he was
holding a small camera snake grabber head down there right
in front of the snake so get the close up shot,
(21:39):
and it slipped out of the snake, out of the
snake grabber, and so this camera lands right next to
this rattlesnake and he just reaches down and picks up
the camera.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
We all we always went and it's like then he went.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oh my gosh, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
There's just something weird happened. So back to our guys.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Our guys are really really good, but even with all
that experience, there's a tendency to go back into the
viewfinder and just look and not put on their safety glasses.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
With some of the matches, you can't you're not allowed
to be up on the lines if you don't have
your safety glasses. So you know, there's a lot of
precautions that are out there and hearing.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Too, I mean, is that they group them together.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh I'm sure. I mean, I guess that's never been
a special extra announcement that has to be made. But
shooting glasses on, that's a big thing. And some of
the people, depending on how they climb up on, especially
like the ars, they're so close to their optic there's
barely clearance room there with safety wear on, So it's
(22:45):
a problem for some people.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
And if you're just even if you're not shooting, there's
stuff that's flying out of guns all the time, whether it's.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Brass or gas or extra shooting.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And if you're shooting steal mean, man, those bullets could
come back from steel from a long way out. Yes,
everybody around when you're shooting has to be wearing glasses,
which is again another reason for having a whole bunch
of those cheap ones with. You have some neighbors come out.
People just want to watch you shooting. It's right, you're
welcome to watch, but you all have to be wearing glasses.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not negotiable.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, I'm totally not.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm picturing Jim going out and practicing with his new
semi auto BB gun, and I'm envisioning or it is
full auto sorry, full auto.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
It's fully semi.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Ato semi though if you if you can't handle it,
the recoil, the massive recoil, the mule jump, muddle rise.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So I'm envisioning Jim almost in a dodgeball tournament with himself.
What's all these babies coming back?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I love it?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh yeah, we'll have to have somebody shoot some footage
and just in case you never know.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna actually I have en have toime after
we get off this is a technic gown are when
we get off off air, I'm gonna have Tom shoot it. Shooty,
what do you think here? I didn't offer because I
like Tom.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Okay, Michelle, are you anywhere near your phone right now?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Let me see?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yes, okay, Oh I have to watch a movie.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Yeah, all right, turn the volume up.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Okay, here we go. I have to turn my volume on.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
That's twenty five bbs.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Good thing that's got a suppressor on the end of it?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Is that just silliest thing?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
So how well does this stay on target? Do you
have to make a lot of movement to readjust to
get back on target?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Fortunately, you know, with the full of it's kind of
a shotgun. You don't have to hang kind.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Of like the same shots, size going down, the same pattern.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
You look at your watch, get a bite.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It's like you're thinking, what can I do with this?
I don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
You just dot it, come on, Gresham, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Oh yeah we can, we can. We can spend more
on a red dot and then we spin on this
stupid gun.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Right, somebody's out there like turn those woodpeckers rather like crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
It sounds like good analogy.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Gets the woodpecker on meth.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And now and now bee, I learned something else, and
now now daca again, I haven't touched the b begun
and well I shouldn't say I've touched one, but I
haven't done the BB thing in quite a while. And
now I mean because they're always brass bebes right, oh yeah,
they're right now they're black and Tom said his or
silver silver steel, like.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
They're still okay an alloy, no.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Man, yeah, fun.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Stuff, you know, it's like, okay, you're just an excuse
to go have some fun somewhere.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But it's not a gun technically, so ships right to
your house.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
We're just weary warriors in the battle against boredom.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And it looks like we've lost today.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Oh well, that's okay, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
If this would have been out prior to Christmas time,
oh the videos you could have had.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yes. So coming up, we're gonna be doing two shows
from the floor of a shot show, so we'll.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Have nothing exciting about that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Nothing going on there.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
One of the fun parts is when you're doing that
sometimes I'll have somebody walk by here I'll know and
just holler at them, Hey, come over here, sit down here,
put his head set on while you're doing the.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Show, right, not even on break, not.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Just in the middle of the middleton. You never know
what's going to happen. Who cares.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
People come around the corner and they're zitching down like
excrestion them.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
She took over? Make you get on that stupid radio show.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Well, it's not like there's not enough of other boots
you could check out that places you. I always thought,
next time I go, I'm gonna wear a pedometer just
to see how much mile did you cover, because it's
it's huge, huge.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
In the Since the last time you were there, they've
added one hundred and fifty one hundred and eighty thousand
square feet.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Holy so didn't they do something in the basement or
a parking garage or something.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Oh no, No, they've opened up a section of Caesar's
Palace which is across the street, but they have a
bridge that walks over the street so you.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Can walk over there.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
So they've actually outgrown the whole hall space of shot
Show and added more across the street.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Wow. Yeah, people don't like guns. They'll never catch on.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
And there, you know, I just turn to people, No,
you cannot go unless you are working in the firearms industry.
And they're pretty much attuned to all the scams of
people trying to get in.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I also turn down media, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, you're only allowed so many people too, it's not
like you can get twelve people in.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Oh A good point. Yeah, I like for your store.
If you said, okay, we're going to send all my buddies,
then we're gonna tell they work for the store they're got.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, I don't think so. They're they're limiting media or
canning media.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
They're limiting media. If met it just shows up, they
haven't preregistered, they're not getting in. And sometimes they just
say no, we're not letting you in because you're completely
anti gun and we don't have to because this is
really not open to the public, so you can only
come in if we agree to it.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So they do their own security.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Oh boy do they ever.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
And they also, interestingly enough, have trackers on your badges
really oh yes, huh oh yeah, so they know where
you go in the show, so that helps them plan
out the traffic flow and where the gaps are, where
people are bottlenecking and all that for next year.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, it is, well, you them.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'll just I'll just leave in the men's room like
I'll be at the ruger booth.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Okay, it's all agreshom does he in for three hours
going on?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So I'm trying to think of it's anything else I've
heard that's oh oh oh oh. On the subject of
the new cartridge, Uh, Seekings makes really good high end
rifles and they are located in Lewiston, Idaho. They just
announce they're going to stop making all the guns that
(29:49):
they make and they're going to convert completely to rifles
being made for high pressure calibers.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's where the market's going. I thank you, yep, yep, they.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Said that's where it's going. And you know, whether you want.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
The short barrel with a suppressor or you want more
velocity for long range shooting, that's going to be where
they focus. Now, I thought, well that's a really interesting
data point and maybe indicative of where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, yeah, it fascinates me because people are oh, competition
shooting doesn't change the changes the industry hugely. So all this,
you know, long range shooting, whatever platform you might be in,
is really changing this industry. You know, the ARS did
the same thing. They just push them to be a
(30:36):
higher performance, more precision items.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
It's kind of like NASCAR in consumer atomoment. Yeah, absolutely, the.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Same same thing.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah, they work on better systems, better better ammo bear bullets,
better rifles, better barrels, better optics, better, on and on
and on, and they're spending tons of money to win competition.
And we're looking at and going you know, I could
I could actually use that for hunting, Yes, you could.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
All that that and military stuff. Yeah, same thing things
developed a military that eventually get into the consumer world.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Well at least they don't use our money to develop
the military stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
M h wait, all right, that's out loud. I didn't
mean that to be.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now, I'm afraid to open the door.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
But she's going to send me a slap a gram.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Sure they don't. It's sure.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Yeah, that's just government money. It's not your money.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean, you know, you're welcome for us paying our taxes.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
That's all you say.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
That's right, thank you very much. Here's it. Wisely, I
know you won't, but you.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Please, right, make sure the soldiers are paid at least
well there, then.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
At least we got that going. You know, we got
that going for us, which is this not going to
be all right? We don't want to go with political
but man, in a week we're going to have the
inauguration and then we are off to the races.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, and you're to be airport, you know what.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I will be at shot Show.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, you're the inauguration that that's going to.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Be fun to watch the reaction. I was.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I was there at shot Show when he got inaugurated
last time in sixteen sixty. Yeah, I guess seventeen it
was inauguration and everything stopped on the floor of the
Shot Show. You got eight nine hundred thousand square feet
of exhibit space and there are televisions and a lot
(32:35):
of the booths and everybody moved to where there was
a television and just stopped and watched it and watched
the swearing at it. It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's probably why there weren't so many people on the
actual mall in DC, because.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
They show.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Small.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Well, i'll give you the report from there, guys.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It'll be fun, it'll be awesome looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
All right, be safe out there, and you know, if
you want more pressure, you're going just pull that trigger harder.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
What didn't work it right
Speaker 2 (33:14):
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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