March 15, 2025 • 33 mins
KJ embarks on a solo edition of Gun Talk Hunt to discuss poaching and how it almost gripped him at a young age. Plus, KJ shares a story that is so wild that it has given KJ nightmares since he heard it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A story so outlandish that it haunts my dreams since
I've heard it all right here on gun Talk Hunt. Hey,
I'm kJ dedicated lifelong hunter. Here. If you've got an
interest in all things hunting, you're in the right spot.
Whether chasing quill across the plains of Oklahoma or in
pursuit of belk in the back country of British Columbia, you'll.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Always find me on the hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
All right, Welcome to all you gun Talk hunters. This
episode of gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by Eotech,
Range Ready and Ruger Firearms. I'm sitting in Okay. I'm
gonna give you a little backstory because this is about
a story that I heard that I can't really define
(00:49):
if it's true, but given its location, I think it
is true.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Because it all.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Seems everything, everything seems possible. It's like Texas is the
Disneyland of hunting. So I think if you can dream it,
it's gonna happen in Texas. And this is this is
nightmare for me. This would I would say, this is
definitely a nightmare for any hunter. But I'm gonna get
(01:19):
into that here in a little bit backstory. So, like
we do We're sitting there, whether you're you're in the woods,
you're on the stand, you're wherever you want to be,
name it, you're in bed, sitting there scrolling over the
instagrams and the social media's and.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
All that stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And have you ever sat there and went, I, why
am I watching this? That happened to me on this video?
And I can't believe I was watching it, but I
can't even worse, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I do have.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Paul does have a microphone, or our producer has a microphone.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And he may chime in on this.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So if you hear another voice that isn't me, that
is not the voice of our Lord Jesus.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Christ, that is Paul. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I'm sitting there scrolling and I come across this
video and it's a fella and a cowboy hat and
it's on the Rodeo Time podcast. I want to make
sure I give them credit because this is not a
story that I heard personally. This is not something that
happened to me personally, but it's from those guys, and
I'm trying to get those guys on the podcast, and
(02:36):
if you know them, tell them to hit me up
on Instagram, tell them to hit just send a message
to the gun Talk Instagram because I've got to talk
to these people about this story because like, seriously, it
haunts me.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To this day.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But really the whole like there's legalities and there's there's
stuff behind the scenes that's working on a broader scale.
But I kind of wanted to get into kind of poaching.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What is poaching? What is it? And does it? How
does its role.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
In hunting negatively effect the good guys like me and you?
So I'm going to go through a couple of poaching
stories and stuff like that, and I'm going to get
to the story. And I know you guys are like, oh,
dang it, quit bearing the lead, kJ quit doing it.
It's the journalist in me that wants to kind of
shove it to the side and just say, hey, I'm
(03:33):
going to talk about this. You're gonna have to hold
on to find out. And so that's what I'm gonna do.
But and all this gets to a story about me
and poaching, and thank goodness, I think the Good Lord
intervene because it can, it can take over who you
are because I've seen it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So what poaching is.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's the illegal taking of game, whether it's higher bag limits,
whether or you exceed the limits, whether you shoot something
out of season, or if you're using a rifle during
archery season, that's poaching. That's what we're talking about here,
and that is that is one of the bigger.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Black eyes, because.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Shooting two hundred inch white tail or four hundred inch
bull elk like that doesn't always happen, and it always
seems it always seems to go the way of of
you always see those size of animals when you when
(04:43):
you it's at the least opportune moment. Okay, all right,
here's one example. I'm sitting in a line with a
good buddy of mine and we're sitting there and it's
youth season. We don't don't have any kids with us.
We have our bows, and that is it. Now we
(05:05):
have guns in the truck, but they're five hundred yards
away from us, so they do us no good. It's
really easy to sit here and go, you know what
what if that what if I see a really good
one and I'm on private property, so maybe no one
will know. These are all things that go through the
(05:30):
mind when you're like you know what, I choose to
do the right thing. And that's it is. It's a
choice to do the right thing. And it's inherent in.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
What we do. We do what is right. We strive
to do what is right.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But every once in a while, that little devil creeps
up on your shoulder and goes, dude, I know you
saw a big one out here two weeks ago. There's
a good chance that he may not walk within bow range. Well,
just shoot further in the bow range. Can you can
talk yourself out of this all the time, you can
talk yourself into it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You've got to make the choice.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But so that morning, you season, We're sitting there and man,
having a great time. We've seen some deer. But oh
my gosh, did he step out? I look over. All
I'm armed with is a bow. My buddy's got a bow,
and we drew straws. He gets to shoot first. There
(06:27):
is a legit. And and I know, like, this is
the biggest deer I've seen on the hoof, one of
the biggest deer.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I would say he's top three. So he is.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And this is a this deer is a one open
range deer. Like this isn't a high fence one hundred
and eighty inches, I'm going to say, and that's the
at that time in my life, that was the biggest
dear that I have ever set eyes on, like.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
In the wild.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So, I mean, so I'm sitting there and I'm recorded
like I have a camquarder.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That's how old it is.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's a camquorder, not a cell phone that I just
zoom in on. I have a camquarterer and I am
physically shaking, like the whole blind has to be shaken
if it feels like like you're in San Francisco and
what is it ninety.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Four eighty four or eighty six or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It was like I could not believe my eyes were
on this deer, and I was like, that's absolutely incredible,
one of the most incredible. And I can still see him.
I can if I close my eyes, I can see
that deer. He was with that dough. And it was
early season, which was odd. Usually they're you know, at
that time of the year, they're all kind of running together,
(07:46):
they're kind of all friends. This guy was friends to
nobody except that dough, like that's all he carried. Like,
but dad gummet man, Like if we had a mate,
a conscious decision to bring a gun into the blind
with you know how hard it would have been to
pass that shot, and it was an easy shot. It
(08:07):
was one hundred and fifty yards is the closest he
got to us, and we could only sit there and
watch it and admire it, which was an amazing experience.
But the temptation is there. The temptation is one hundred
percent real, and it's something that hunters have to go
And now we choose to do the right thing, So
(08:27):
it's not really as big of a decision. You know,
we always have to every time you go out, you
have to choose to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, that's integrity.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's choosing to do the right thing when knowing is
no one is watching, and that's how we try to
build ourselves.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But my gosh, that was a big dear. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm going to tell another story on the second half
of this about myself that could have sent me down
the wrong path, and then I'll.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Get to this. I will get to the story that
does haunt my night.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It just just a nightmare scenario. And really I'm actively
checking my messages to see if Rodeo time gives me
a shout back because I think there's a lot more
to that story. So you see it daily every season,
you usually hear it. And then and we've got a
(09:18):
great game warden who is who is probably the top
white tail game warden in the state of Iowa, mister
Jeremy King, who we talk to everyone in a while
and he tells us great stories on on the links
that people go to to to poach deer, Like that's
kind of the way they hunt, you know, it's when
(09:41):
people get like they don't want to do the public
land thing because then they think it's too crowded, so
they just start hunting other people's land in you know,
the twilight hours and dark and the links that they
go to is really amazing that I was this is
a funny story. Like I was just cruising the interwebs,
(10:04):
and I was like, I wonder what like some of
the crazier stories are of like people poaching and and
there's the like one of the first ones that pops
up as a guy who like mask, like camouflages. This
is really funny. He camouflages a porta potty two, I
(10:31):
mean to not get caught, like so he thought he
was being very sneaky, like putting a porta potty on
someone's property, and nine times out of ten, typically what
how poachers operate is, at least what I believe they do,
is they will have like knowledge of a deer or not.
They have an intimate knowledge of the area. Maybe they
(10:51):
grew up in that area, but they've seen a deer
that they're like, I've got to take that deer at
all costs. And that's like trespassing and everything else. But anyway,
this fella gets a porta potty and he's like, man,
I'm gonna you know, like I guess he's doing two
jobs at once, like he's doing a little poaching and
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Of bathroom time.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So so anyway he gets this, he gets this porta potty,
and of course someone's gonna notice a porta potty because
you know, poachers aren't typically aren't the brightest. And so
what they did is they would put that porta potty
out there, and so the game warners were like, well,
we're just gonna put a camera on it, and so
(11:32):
they put a camera on it and lo and behold,
like of course he came back to hunt it, and
they busted him on the john. It's it's I know,
it sounds crazy, it sounds too funny to make up.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I mean, they go to a great links.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Now there's people who get really elaborate and there's a
story about this, and this was this was one of
the more elaborate things that I've ever heard. So it
was like three or four guys. And what they would
do was they were they were shooting deer along the highway.
And so what they do is they sit there and
(12:11):
they one guy has he has the spotlight. So this
is back when they spotlighted or jacklighted deer. So he
has in his vehicle the jack light, nothing else. So
nothing else, like there is no gun in there, there's
no ammunition in there. That's all he has. The other
(12:36):
truck has the gun, and so they wouldn't they would
travel together, but quite a bit of part. And so
the guy in the far back has the gun. And
think about this, Think how dangerous this type of stuff
is because the guy in the back is shooting the
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deer like up front with the guy in the spotlight.
Not the smartest thing, but they did this and I
think if they shot one, what would happen is is
the deer would not go into the truck with the
gun or the flashlight. It would go into a separate
vehicle that had nothing in it. Think how elaborate that is.
(13:20):
Think how like the thought like, Okay, if we get caught,
there's plausible, maybe plausible that deniability.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That wasn't my gun.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now I wonder if they would go into ballistics checks
and start checking ballistics and all that good stuff. But well,
we don't have a flashlight or a spotlight in here.
How are we doing it? Think about this like this
is crazy stuff. So anyway, those are Those are a
couple of stories that really like when they've either like
(13:51):
they're just they just show the extent that people are
willing to break the law.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Back in my youth, there was a time when I
was like, oh, that's just the way we do it,
because that's the way my cousins did it. And I
didn't know any better. Like I didn't I didn't know
all that stuff because as a little kid growing up,
you're like, oh man, my cousin's got to hunt, and wow,
(14:20):
they killed those big deer and like, and you start
to look back on it and you think about it,
and you're like, well they were scofflaws, like they weren't
doing it right at all, because you go through that
hunter's head and all of a sudden, now you see, like, wait,
they're wrong. And I think when I took it. I
took Hunter's ED when I was like eight, and that's
(14:42):
stuck with me. And I think when you put your
kids in a like a Hunter's Education course or something
like that, I think timing is really important. You know,
they need to kind of understand, you know, they need
to understand the right from wrong, but don't need too
much exposure from the wrong side before they take it.
And I think I just hit it just right because
(15:04):
the Hunter's Education program really, like it really made me
think until I was in my teenage years, my rebellious years,
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All right, let's.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Turn back the clock to teenage Kevin KJH.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Either one works for me, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
This is a kid who had potentially like one of
the best areas to hunt on one single piece of ground,
and I had a cousin who was like, you know what,
I've got an even better piece of ground. Well, I
(18:08):
better go with him. So he takes me. He takes
me in his truck and I'm like, oh man, this
is the big time. He's going to take me to
the Kreme de la Creme. And it's cold. Man, it's
a frosty morning, like it's one of those mornings that
you dream of and I can remember it vividly. And
(18:29):
we walk out along this mesquite thicket and there's this
blind this shoot house, and we climb up there early
morning hours and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is it,
Like I'm going to shoot a giant buck, Like this
is going to happen. Like it's just that kind of
area that you look at it and knowing what I
know now looking back on it, it is prime.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It is prime.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And I'm sitting there and man, this sun starts to crest.
It's shooting hours, and I'm sitting there and I'm going,
now's the time, come on, let's go, and and all
of a sudden, he leans over and he goes, I'm cold,
and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me, Like,
like my adrenaline is rushing so fast right now because
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I know what's about to happen. I know there's gonna
be at the time. Crap A four point would have
been massive to me. He's gonna step out right there
because this is a great little green winter wheat field.
I was like, it's perfect, and he says, I'm cold.
The adrenaline is going so fast. I don't feel cold.
I don't feel anything. He could have slapped me across
(19:37):
a face and I would I would have thought a
fly landed on me.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But he got in my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, he got in my mind, and I was like,
you know what, it is a little chilly out here,
like I should have worn an extra layer.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, but I mean we can, we can test it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We can, we can you know, well, we'll tough it out.
Then he said, then he leans over and says, I
forgot my snacks in the truck.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Hmmm. That is the killer. That was the nail in
the coffin.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And I really kind of feel like I had heard stories.
I had kind of lived them, like early young, young,
young years of and I kind of vaguely remember them
hunting and stuff and and and all their exploits back then.
But like when you get older, you start hearing more
and more stories and you're like, is that really true,
(20:32):
Like are they really able to kill that many deer?
You know, it's just kind of sticks in the back
of your mind when you start hearing stuff like that,
and like I really kind of feel like he was like, ah, yeah,
we're gonna take this kid out. We're gonna you know,
put him in a blind, He'll say, when hunting, and
then I get to go do the kind of hunting
I want. And I was along for the ride. So
(20:56):
now it's into my mind that well, they're snacks in
the truck, it's kind of cold, there's heat in the truck.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Okay, all right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I'm telling you what, Like we were out of
the blind within thirty minutes of that sun coming up,
and I'm like, it was not right now.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
It was rifle season. So there's a little short time
that we have to hunt. And as a you know,
a teenage kid, like your hunting is broken up by
like weekends and stuff like that. So like they're fleeting
moments of getting you know, and getting moments to hunt.
(21:44):
So he says, I just I just want to drive
around a little bit. Okay, let's go look at deer,
Like like, I ain't got no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't have a problem with like just drive.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
If you're just driving around just looking at deer, going
oh yeah, man, that's a lot of deer over there,
like and then you just go about your business.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's what I thought was happening.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But it's not what happened, because we come up and
we're going and we're driving down the road and I
know these country roads.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And he's like, oh man, there's a giant in that field.
And he was right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
He was right, like at the time, like I know,
I said a four point would have been looked huge,
but gid you not. It was a true giant, nice
chocolate frosted horns from the morning dew like beautiful deer
sitting out in the middle of a winter wheat field,
probably one hundred yards from the road, and I'm shooting.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You guys are gonna love this. This is how old
school this is. I'm shooting a lever gun. I have
a lever thirty thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That I'm like, yeah, this is good, Like I'll take
this iron sights and everything. So I was apparently confident
my skills back then, uh, because you know, cold adrenaline
and all that stuff, Like who knows if I would
have hit anything. So he speeds up and gets around
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to a position of that He he was like, you're
gonna shoot it. You're gonna shoot it, And I was like,
are you sure? Like who's property? I was asking the
right questions, but I wasn't doing the right thing. I
was asking the questions, whose property is this? You have permission?
And his answers are, don't worry about it. We'll figure
it out later, are you That's what I went with, Well,
(23:40):
he must be right. I guess we're gonna figure this
out later. I spring out of that truck because he's
he he's oh my gosh, he is in my ear
going shoot it, shoot it, shoot it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Come on, hurry, hurry.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That should be your first indication to slow down, just
saying that's that's probably the moment where you're like, I'm
going to get back in the truck. I'm not going
to raise my rifle in anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So I go.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
My finger is on that trigger, it's on that trigger,
it's following the deer, and man, I felt smooth. I
felt like if I would have broke that shot, that
was going to be a great shot and a bad shot.
I get on the deer going to press that trigger,
(24:31):
and I press that trigger, two things happen, two things,
And as I'm reflecting, I'm so I'm pissed at myself,
but I feel blessed. The click of the gun goes off. Click, Oh,
(24:53):
nothing's happening. Well, there was a hammer safety on it
where even if you would press that trigger, that hammer
would fall. And in my fog of adrenaline and like, oh,
my gosh, is this really happening. Did not realize that
(25:14):
that was happening because I remember taking the safety off,
at least I thought I did, when in all actuality,
what happened was as I'm unloading that coming out of
the truck, and that gun has been in the truck
with me. After the fact, I realized I was driving
(25:37):
around with a loaded gun.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
On fire, ready to fire, and I didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And to this day, both of those instances really pissed
me off, and they make me think about how lucky
I was, because there are so many things that could
have gone wrong. Pulled the gun out and it went off.
I could have pressed that trigger and the gun went off.
(26:09):
Either way not good. But in the end I was
lucky because I stopped. I stopped right then, and oh
my gosh, like I am so thankful that gun didn't
go off because now I'm back and now I have
time to reflect because I'm like, oh no, something's wrong
with a gun. I know, I know, I took care
(26:31):
of it. What's happening? So mad at myself, like I
could still like I still see everything from that day
and it makes me mad, but it makes me happy.
So that that is the only time. Thank goodness that
like I really like didn't know what was going on.
(26:52):
I didn't know the circumstances, and it almost led to
approach deer. And I hope that deer lived a long,
good life all of like probably four days, because he's
an idiot. If he's standing out in the middle of
wheatfield on a road in Oklahoma, I'm going to tell
you that right now, like, do not do that, dear,
Like that's bad news because there are people out there that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Wouldn't think twice.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So anyway, I say that all to say, like I'm
thankful for the road and the path that I'm on,
and I started aligning myself because that was the last
time I ever hunted with that cousin. Last time because
it wasn't right. And I thank goodness I was brought
up and I was raised to know like, oh, you
(27:37):
know what if you if you associate with folks like that,
that's the path you will go down. You are the
company you keep. All right, Okay, I'm gonna check one
more time. Make sure, like like, I'm gonna give you, guys,
the best version of this story I can, the best
(28:00):
version I can. This was from Rodeo Time podcast. Go
follow them, you can find the story there. But I'm
going to retell the story up until a point, and
when I get to that point, I'm going to leave
you with a cliffhanger. I'm sorry, but up until that
point you are going to want to hear it. And
if they don't contact me, I promise you I will
(28:24):
tell the story the end of the story on the
next podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I won't.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I won't leave you hanging on that long. Just a week,
all right. So this is from the Real Time I
say Real Time, the Rodeo Time. It's Rodeo Time podcast.
This is this is me scrolling through the Instagram stories
going wait, what is this? Okay, here's the story. I
am one hundred percent pretty much certain this is. It
(28:51):
has to take place in Texas. So there's a group
of guys they're going out hunting and they drop their buddy,
Bob off to the hunting blind. It's a ground blind,
and they leave him. It's four thirty in the morning,
and you know, they go on down the road and
they're they're getting their stuff together and everything else, and
all of a sudden, they hear five shots bam bam, bam,
(29:12):
bam bam, and they all look at each other and
they say, that was Bob. What's Bob shooting at four
point thirty in the morning. So that's kind of an
indicator of, you know, something's not right, we need to
go check on Bob. Well, they were going to go
down and check on Bob and make sure they don't
(29:35):
have to check on Bob because Bob is doing his
best Ussein Bolt impression running down the road. He is
he is like a lightning bolt coming down the road
and he cannot get to them fast enough. He pulls
up out of breath, I mean gasted, and he goes,
(29:56):
I just shot Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Hold the phone.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
These guys are These guys are looking at him like
what He goes, I just shot Bigfoot. He's back over there,
and they're, you know, their eyes kind of go you know,
well what we all would do, like, oh, okay, yeah,
you shot Bigfoot. Seriously, why did you shoot five times?
He goes, I shot Bigfoot. He goes, I was sitting there.
You guys have just left, and he goes, you guys
(30:24):
are over you know you're you're away, And he goes,
I sit there and like we all do you know,
I pull out my cellphone and I'm starting to scroll
through the instagrams and all of a sudden, Bigfoot grabs
my phone. Okay, and he goes, I just shot five
times through the blind. Okay, all right, I mean but
(30:47):
we're hearing what's saying. Like He's like, do you want
to go back over the look? And Bob's like, huh,
I'm not going back over there. Y'all take me to
the lodge. And he goes, well, you know, the guys
are sitting there kind of talking, and you know they're
probably jostling him a little bit. I would, I would
assume so, and he go, hold on a second, he
reached through the blind and took your phone, so you
don't have your phone? He goes, no, Bigfoot took it,
(31:09):
so I shot. All right, all right, all right, well
how about this, How about this, Bob, We're gonna wait.
We're gonna wait till the sun comes up and then
we'll go over. And Bob says, huh, he goes. You
take me back to that lodge. He says, you can
wait for the marine corps. I'm still not going in
those woods again. Oh okay, all right, let's take Bob
(31:32):
back to the lodge. And you could and they said,
like you could see he's visibly shaken, I mean shaken.
He is terrified. He does not want any part of that.
So they take Bob back to the lodge and then
the sun's up. All right, fellas, let's go look. So
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they walk over and as they approach the blind, I'm
sure there was there was a sense of something happened
here that's not right. And they go up to the
blind and they see five shots through the blind and
I'm gonna leave it right there. And the rest of
(32:18):
the story is just as crazy it is in I
would have believed I would have shot Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Based on everything I like.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't know the legalities of shooting Bigfoot. I think
that's an interesting case. If I was approached by bigfoot?
Is do you if you shoot bigfoot? Is it poaching
because there's no season? Is bigfoot an invasive species? Because
then the rules are kind of like hog hunting, like
(32:55):
they're an invasive species. They need to be wiped out,
shoot them whenever. You don't have to have a license.
You don't have to have a tag.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So if you shoot bigfoot, do you need a license?
All right?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Next week, I promise I'm gonna finish that story, or
I'm gonna get someone from Rodeo Time podcast on to
finish it out.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Because it is ridiculous. Gun talk.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Hunters, you know the drill. Keep those muzzles point in
a safe direction, and always be on the
A story so outlandish that it haunts my dreams since
I've heard it all right here on gun Talk Hunt. Hey,
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
All right, Welcome to all you gun Talk hunters. This
episode of gun Talk Hunt is brought to you by Eotech,
Range Ready and Ruger Firearms. I'm sitting in Okay. I'm
gonna give you a little backstory because this is about
a story that I heard that I can't really define
(00:49):
if it's true, but given its location, I think it
is true.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Because it all.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Seems everything, everything seems possible. It's like Texas is the
Disneyland of hunting. So I think if you can dream it,
it's gonna happen in Texas. And this is this is
nightmare for me. This would I would say, this is
definitely a nightmare for any hunter. But I'm gonna get
(01:19):
into that here in a little bit backstory. So, like
we do We're sitting there, whether you're you're in the woods,
you're on the stand, you're wherever you want to be,
name it, you're in bed, sitting there scrolling over the
instagrams and the social media's and.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
All that stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And have you ever sat there and went, I, why
am I watching this? That happened to me on this video?
And I can't believe I was watching it, but I
can't even worse, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I do have.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Paul does have a microphone, or our producer has a microphone.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And he may chime in on this.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So if you hear another voice that isn't me, that
is not the voice of our Lord Jesus.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Christ, that is Paul. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I'm sitting there scrolling and I come across this
video and it's a fella and a cowboy hat and
it's on the Rodeo Time podcast. I want to make
sure I give them credit because this is not a
story that I heard personally. This is not something that
happened to me personally, but it's from those guys, and
I'm trying to get those guys on the podcast, and
(02:36):
if you know them, tell them to hit me up
on Instagram, tell them to hit just send a message
to the gun Talk Instagram because I've got to talk
to these people about this story because like, seriously, it
haunts me.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To this day.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But really the whole like there's legalities and there's there's
stuff behind the scenes that's working on a broader scale.
But I kind of wanted to get into kind of poaching.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
What is poaching? What is it? And does it? How
does its role.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
In hunting negatively effect the good guys like me and you?
So I'm going to go through a couple of poaching
stories and stuff like that, and I'm going to get
to the story. And I know you guys are like, oh,
dang it, quit bearing the lead, kJ quit doing it.
It's the journalist in me that wants to kind of
shove it to the side and just say, hey, I'm
(03:33):
going to talk about this. You're gonna have to hold
on to find out. And so that's what I'm gonna do.
But and all this gets to a story about me
and poaching, and thank goodness, I think the Good Lord
intervene because it can, it can take over who you
are because I've seen it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So what poaching is.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's the illegal taking of game, whether it's higher bag limits,
whether or you exceed the limits, whether you shoot something
out of season, or if you're using a rifle during
archery season, that's poaching. That's what we're talking about here,
and that is that is one of the bigger.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Black eyes, because.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Shooting two hundred inch white tail or four hundred inch
bull elk like that doesn't always happen, and it always
seems it always seems to go the way of of
you always see those size of animals when you when
(04:43):
you it's at the least opportune moment. Okay, all right,
here's one example. I'm sitting in a line with a
good buddy of mine and we're sitting there and it's
youth season. We don't don't have any kids with us.
We have our bows, and that is it. Now we
(05:05):
have guns in the truck, but they're five hundred yards
away from us, so they do us no good. It's
really easy to sit here and go, you know what
what if that what if I see a really good
one and I'm on private property, so maybe no one
will know. These are all things that go through the
(05:30):
mind when you're like you know what, I choose to
do the right thing. And that's it is. It's a
choice to do the right thing. And it's inherent in.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
What we do. We do what is right. We strive
to do what is right.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But every once in a while, that little devil creeps
up on your shoulder and goes, dude, I know you
saw a big one out here two weeks ago. There's
a good chance that he may not walk within bow range. Well,
just shoot further in the bow range. Can you can
talk yourself out of this all the time, you can
talk yourself into it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You've got to make the choice.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But so that morning, you season, We're sitting there and man,
having a great time. We've seen some deer. But oh
my gosh, did he step out? I look over. All
I'm armed with is a bow. My buddy's got a bow,
and we drew straws. He gets to shoot first. There
(06:27):
is a legit. And and I know, like, this is
the biggest deer I've seen on the hoof, one of
the biggest deer.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I would say he's top three. So he is.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And this is a this deer is a one open
range deer. Like this isn't a high fence one hundred
and eighty inches, I'm going to say, and that's the
at that time in my life, that was the biggest
dear that I have ever set eyes on, like.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
In the wild.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So, I mean, so I'm sitting there and I'm recorded
like I have a camquarder.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That's how old it is.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's a camquorder, not a cell phone that I just
zoom in on. I have a camquarterer and I am
physically shaking, like the whole blind has to be shaken
if it feels like like you're in San Francisco and
what is it ninety.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Four eighty four or eighty six or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It was like I could not believe my eyes were
on this deer, and I was like, that's absolutely incredible,
one of the most incredible. And I can still see him.
I can if I close my eyes, I can see
that deer. He was with that dough. And it was
early season, which was odd. Usually they're you know, at
that time of the year, they're all kind of running together,
(07:46):
they're kind of all friends. This guy was friends to
nobody except that dough, like that's all he carried. Like,
but dad gummet man, Like if we had a mate,
a conscious decision to bring a gun into the blind
with you know how hard it would have been to
pass that shot, and it was an easy shot. It
(08:07):
was one hundred and fifty yards is the closest he
got to us, and we could only sit there and
watch it and admire it, which was an amazing experience.
But the temptation is there. The temptation is one hundred
percent real, and it's something that hunters have to go
And now we choose to do the right thing, So
(08:27):
it's not really as big of a decision. You know,
we always have to every time you go out, you
have to choose to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, that's integrity.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's choosing to do the right thing when knowing is
no one is watching, and that's how we try to
build ourselves.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But my gosh, that was a big dear. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm going to tell another story on the second half
of this about myself that could have sent me down
the wrong path, and then I'll.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Get to this. I will get to the story that
does haunt my night.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It just just a nightmare scenario. And really I'm actively
checking my messages to see if Rodeo time gives me
a shout back because I think there's a lot more
to that story. So you see it daily every season,
you usually hear it. And then and we've got a
(09:18):
great game warden who is who is probably the top
white tail game warden in the state of Iowa, mister
Jeremy King, who we talk to everyone in a while
and he tells us great stories on on the links
that people go to to to poach deer, Like that's
kind of the way they hunt, you know, it's when
(09:41):
people get like they don't want to do the public
land thing because then they think it's too crowded, so
they just start hunting other people's land in you know,
the twilight hours and dark and the links that they
go to is really amazing that I was this is
a funny story. Like I was just cruising the interwebs,
(10:04):
and I was like, I wonder what like some of
the crazier stories are of like people poaching and and
there's the like one of the first ones that pops
up as a guy who like mask, like camouflages. This
is really funny. He camouflages a porta potty two, I
(10:31):
mean to not get caught, like so he thought he
was being very sneaky, like putting a porta potty on
someone's property, and nine times out of ten, typically what
how poachers operate is, at least what I believe they do,
is they will have like knowledge of a deer or not.
They have an intimate knowledge of the area. Maybe they
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grew up in that area, but they've seen a deer
that they're like, I've got to take that deer at
all costs. And that's like trespassing and everything else. But anyway,
this fella gets a porta potty and he's like, man,
I'm gonna you know, like I guess he's doing two
jobs at once, like he's doing a little poaching and
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Of bathroom time.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So so anyway he gets this, he gets this porta potty,
and of course someone's gonna notice a porta potty because
you know, poachers aren't typically aren't the brightest. And so
what they did is they would put that porta potty
out there, and so the game warners were like, well,
we're just gonna put a camera on it, and so
(11:32):
they put a camera on it and lo and behold,
like of course he came back to hunt it, and
they busted him on the john. It's it's I know,
it sounds crazy, it sounds too funny to make up.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I mean, they go to a great links.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Now there's people who get really elaborate and there's a
story about this, and this was this was one of
the more elaborate things that I've ever heard. So it
was like three or four guys. And what they would
do was they were they were shooting deer along the highway.
And so what they do is they sit there and
(12:11):
they one guy has he has the spotlight. So this
is back when they spotlighted or jacklighted deer. So he
has in his vehicle the jack light, nothing else. So
nothing else, like there is no gun in there, there's
no ammunition in there. That's all he has. The other
(12:36):
truck has the gun, and so they wouldn't they would
travel together, but quite a bit of part. And so
the guy in the far back has the gun. And
think about this, Think how dangerous this type of stuff
is because the guy in the back is shooting the
(12:57):
deer like up front with the guy in the spotlight.
Not the smartest thing, but they did this and I
think if they shot one, what would happen is is
the deer would not go into the truck with the
gun or the flashlight. It would go into a separate
vehicle that had nothing in it. Think how elaborate that is.
(13:20):
Think how like the thought like, Okay, if we get caught,
there's plausible, maybe plausible that deniability.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That wasn't my gun.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now I wonder if they would go into ballistics checks
and start checking ballistics and all that good stuff. But well,
we don't have a flashlight or a spotlight in here.
How are we doing it? Think about this like this
is crazy stuff. So anyway, those are Those are a
couple of stories that really like when they've either like
(13:51):
they're just they just show the extent that people are
willing to break the law.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Back in my youth, there was a time when I
was like, oh, that's just the way we do it,
because that's the way my cousins did it. And I
didn't know any better. Like I didn't I didn't know
all that stuff because as a little kid growing up,
you're like, oh man, my cousin's got to hunt, and wow,
(14:20):
they killed those big deer and like, and you start
to look back on it and you think about it,
and you're like, well they were scofflaws, like they weren't
doing it right at all, because you go through that
hunter's head and all of a sudden, now you see, like, wait,
they're wrong. And I think when I took it. I
took Hunter's ED when I was like eight, and that's
(14:42):
stuck with me. And I think when you put your
kids in a like a Hunter's Education course or something
like that, I think timing is really important. You know,
they need to kind of understand, you know, they need
to understand the right from wrong, but don't need too
much exposure from the wrong side before they take it.
And I think I just hit it just right because
(15:04):
the Hunter's Education program really, like it really made me
think until I was in my teenage years, my rebellious years,
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All right, let's.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Turn back the clock to teenage Kevin KJH.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Either one works for me, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
This is a kid who had potentially like one of
the best areas to hunt on one single piece of ground,
and I had a cousin who was like, you know what,
I've got an even better piece of ground. Well, I
(18:08):
better go with him. So he takes me. He takes
me in his truck and I'm like, oh man, this
is the big time. He's going to take me to
the Kreme de la Creme. And it's cold. Man, it's
a frosty morning, like it's one of those mornings that
you dream of and I can remember it vividly. And
(18:29):
we walk out along this mesquite thicket and there's this
blind this shoot house, and we climb up there early
morning hours and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is it,
Like I'm going to shoot a giant buck, Like this
is going to happen. Like it's just that kind of
area that you look at it and knowing what I
know now looking back on it, it is prime.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It is prime.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And I'm sitting there and man, this sun starts to crest.
It's shooting hours, and I'm sitting there and I'm going,
now's the time, come on, let's go, and and all
of a sudden, he leans over and he goes, I'm cold,
and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me, Like,
like my adrenaline is rushing so fast right now because
(19:15):
I know what's about to happen. I know there's gonna
be at the time. Crap A four point would have
been massive to me. He's gonna step out right there
because this is a great little green winter wheat field.
I was like, it's perfect, and he says, I'm cold.
The adrenaline is going so fast. I don't feel cold.
I don't feel anything. He could have slapped me across
(19:37):
a face and I would I would have thought a
fly landed on me.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But he got in my mind.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, he got in my mind, and I was like,
you know what, it is a little chilly out here,
like I should have worn an extra layer.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, but I mean we can, we can test it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We can, we can you know, well, we'll tough it out.
Then he said, then he leans over and says, I
forgot my snacks in the truck.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Hmmm. That is the killer. That was the nail in
the coffin.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
And I really kind of feel like I had heard stories.
I had kind of lived them, like early young, young,
young years of and I kind of vaguely remember them
hunting and stuff and and and all their exploits back then.
But like when you get older, you start hearing more
and more stories and you're like, is that really true,
(20:32):
Like are they really able to kill that many deer?
You know, it's just kind of sticks in the back
of your mind when you start hearing stuff like that,
and like I really kind of feel like he was like, ah, yeah,
we're gonna take this kid out. We're gonna you know,
put him in a blind, He'll say, when hunting, and
then I get to go do the kind of hunting
I want. And I was along for the ride. So
(20:56):
now it's into my mind that well, they're snacks in
the truck, it's kind of cold, there's heat in the truck.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Okay, all right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I'm telling you what, Like we were out of
the blind within thirty minutes of that sun coming up,
and I'm like, it was not right now.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
It was rifle season. So there's a little short time
that we have to hunt. And as a you know,
a teenage kid, like your hunting is broken up by
like weekends and stuff like that. So like they're fleeting
moments of getting you know, and getting moments to hunt.
(21:44):
So he says, I just I just want to drive
around a little bit. Okay, let's go look at deer,
Like like, I ain't got no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I don't have a problem with like just drive.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
If you're just driving around just looking at deer, going
oh yeah, man, that's a lot of deer over there,
like and then you just go about your business.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's what I thought was happening.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But it's not what happened, because we come up and
we're going and we're driving down the road and I
know these country roads.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And he's like, oh man, there's a giant in that field.
And he was right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
He was right, like at the time, like I know,
I said a four point would have been looked huge,
but gid you not. It was a true giant, nice
chocolate frosted horns from the morning dew like beautiful deer
sitting out in the middle of a winter wheat field,
probably one hundred yards from the road, and I'm shooting.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You guys are gonna love this. This is how old
school this is. I'm shooting a lever gun. I have
a lever thirty thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That I'm like, yeah, this is good, Like I'll take
this iron sights and everything. So I was apparently confident
my skills back then, uh, because you know, cold adrenaline
and all that stuff, Like who knows if I would
have hit anything. So he speeds up and gets around
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to a position of that He he was like, you're
gonna shoot it. You're gonna shoot it, And I was like,
are you sure? Like who's property? I was asking the
right questions, but I wasn't doing the right thing. I
was asking the questions, whose property is this? You have permission?
And his answers are, don't worry about it. We'll figure
it out later, are you That's what I went with, Well,
(23:40):
he must be right. I guess we're gonna figure this
out later. I spring out of that truck because he's
he he's oh my gosh, he is in my ear
going shoot it, shoot it, shoot it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Come on, hurry, hurry.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That should be your first indication to slow down, just
saying that's that's probably the moment where you're like, I'm
going to get back in the truck. I'm not going
to raise my rifle in anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So I go.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
My finger is on that trigger, it's on that trigger,
it's following the deer, and man, I felt smooth. I
felt like if I would have broke that shot, that
was going to be a great shot and a bad shot.
I get on the deer going to press that trigger,
(24:31):
and I press that trigger, two things happen, two things,
And as I'm reflecting, I'm so I'm pissed at myself,
but I feel blessed. The click of the gun goes off. Click, Oh,
(24:53):
nothing's happening. Well, there was a hammer safety on it
where even if you would press that trigger, that hammer
would fall. And in my fog of adrenaline and like, oh,
my gosh, is this really happening. Did not realize that
(25:14):
that was happening because I remember taking the safety off,
at least I thought I did, when in all actuality,
what happened was as I'm unloading that coming out of
the truck, and that gun has been in the truck
with me. After the fact, I realized I was driving
(25:37):
around with a loaded gun.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
On fire, ready to fire, and I didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And to this day, both of those instances really pissed
me off, and they make me think about how lucky
I was, because there are so many things that could
have gone wrong. Pulled the gun out and it went off.
I could have pressed that trigger and the gun went off.
(26:09):
Either way not good. But in the end I was
lucky because I stopped. I stopped right then, and oh
my gosh, like I am so thankful that gun didn't
go off because now I'm back and now I have
time to reflect because I'm like, oh no, something's wrong
with a gun. I know, I know, I took care
(26:31):
of it. What's happening? So mad at myself, like I
could still like I still see everything from that day
and it makes me mad, but it makes me happy.
So that that is the only time. Thank goodness that
like I really like didn't know what was going on.
(26:52):
I didn't know the circumstances, and it almost led to
approach deer. And I hope that deer lived a long,
good life all of like probably four days, because he's
an idiot. If he's standing out in the middle of
wheatfield on a road in Oklahoma, I'm going to tell
you that right now, like, do not do that, dear,
Like that's bad news because there are people out there that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Wouldn't think twice.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So anyway, I say that all to say, like I'm
thankful for the road and the path that I'm on,
and I started aligning myself because that was the last
time I ever hunted with that cousin. Last time because
it wasn't right. And I thank goodness I was brought
up and I was raised to know like, oh, you
(27:37):
know what if you if you associate with folks like that,
that's the path you will go down. You are the
company you keep. All right, Okay, I'm gonna check one
more time. Make sure, like like, I'm gonna give you, guys,
the best version of this story I can, the best
(28:00):
version I can. This was from Rodeo Time podcast. Go
follow them, you can find the story there. But I'm
going to retell the story up until a point, and
when I get to that point, I'm going to leave
you with a cliffhanger. I'm sorry, but up until that
point you are going to want to hear it. And
if they don't contact me, I promise you I will
(28:24):
tell the story the end of the story on the
next podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I won't.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I won't leave you hanging on that long. Just a week,
all right. So this is from the Real Time I
say Real Time, the Rodeo Time. It's Rodeo Time podcast.
This is this is me scrolling through the Instagram stories
going wait, what is this? Okay, here's the story. I
am one hundred percent pretty much certain this is. It
(28:51):
has to take place in Texas. So there's a group
of guys they're going out hunting and they drop their buddy,
Bob off to the hunting blind. It's a ground blind,
and they leave him. It's four thirty in the morning,
and you know, they go on down the road and
they're they're getting their stuff together and everything else, and
all of a sudden, they hear five shots bam bam, bam,
(29:12):
bam bam, and they all look at each other and
they say, that was Bob. What's Bob shooting at four
point thirty in the morning. So that's kind of an
indicator of, you know, something's not right, we need to
go check on Bob. Well, they were going to go
down and check on Bob and make sure they don't
(29:35):
have to check on Bob because Bob is doing his
best Ussein Bolt impression running down the road. He is
he is like a lightning bolt coming down the road
and he cannot get to them fast enough. He pulls
up out of breath, I mean gasted, and he goes,
(29:56):
I just shot Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Hold the phone.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
These guys are These guys are looking at him like
what He goes, I just shot Bigfoot. He's back over there,
and they're, you know, their eyes kind of go you know,
well what we all would do, like, oh, okay, yeah,
you shot Bigfoot. Seriously, why did you shoot five times?
He goes, I shot Bigfoot. He goes, I was sitting there.
You guys have just left, and he goes, you guys
(30:24):
are over you know you're you're away, And he goes,
I sit there and like we all do you know,
I pull out my cellphone and I'm starting to scroll
through the instagrams and all of a sudden, Bigfoot grabs
my phone. Okay, and he goes, I just shot five
times through the blind. Okay, all right, I mean but
(30:47):
we're hearing what's saying. Like He's like, do you want
to go back over the look? And Bob's like, huh,
I'm not going back over there. Y'all take me to
the lodge. And he goes, well, you know, the guys
are sitting there kind of talking, and you know they're
probably jostling him a little bit. I would, I would
assume so, and he go, hold on a second, he
reached through the blind and took your phone, so you
don't have your phone? He goes, no, Bigfoot took it,
(31:09):
so I shot. All right, all right, all right, well
how about this, How about this, Bob, We're gonna wait.
We're gonna wait till the sun comes up and then
we'll go over. And Bob says, huh, he goes. You
take me back to that lodge. He says, you can
wait for the marine corps. I'm still not going in
those woods again. Oh okay, all right, let's take Bob
(31:32):
back to the lodge. And you could and they said,
like you could see he's visibly shaken, I mean shaken.
He is terrified. He does not want any part of that.
So they take Bob back to the lodge and then
the sun's up. All right, fellas, let's go look. So
(31:56):
they walk over and as they approach the blind, I'm
sure there was there was a sense of something happened
here that's not right. And they go up to the
blind and they see five shots through the blind and
I'm gonna leave it right there. And the rest of
(32:18):
the story is just as crazy it is in I
would have believed I would have shot Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Based on everything I like.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I don't know the legalities of shooting Bigfoot. I think
that's an interesting case. If I was approached by bigfoot?
Is do you if you shoot bigfoot? Is it poaching
because there's no season? Is bigfoot an invasive species? Because
then the rules are kind of like hog hunting, like
(32:55):
they're an invasive species. They need to be wiped out,
shoot them whenever. You don't have to have a license.
You don't have to have a tag.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So if you shoot bigfoot, do you need a license?
All right?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Next week, I promise I'm gonna finish that story, or
I'm gonna get someone from Rodeo Time podcast on to
finish it out.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Because it is ridiculous. Gun talk.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Hunters, you know the drill. Keep those muzzles point in
a safe direction, and always be on the
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