October 19, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour: Ryan Gresham, Chris Cerino, and Kevin Jarnigan host.
-- Open Source Defense Constitution clarifications
-- Printing your pro-gun position and associated activism
-- KJ’s hunting updates
-- Chris Cerino’s real-life scenarios
-- Essential pistol skills
Gun Talk 10.19.25 Hour 3
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-- Open Source Defense Constitution clarifications
-- Printing your pro-gun position and associated activism
-- KJ’s hunting updates
-- Chris Cerino’s real-life scenarios
-- Essential pistol skills
Gun Talk 10.19.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, welcome back more gun talk. We keep going our
three here and if you're just tuning in, I'm Ryan Gresham.
I'm filling in for Tom Gresham. He is out today.
And we've got the whole gun Talk crew here. We've
got Kevin, Johnagan, Chris Serino. Thank you guys for hanging
out with me. That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So we're we're here at gun Talk headquarters and we
are filming this. We are in the gun Talk Nation studio,
so you can actually go watch this and you can
kind of see what we're up to here on all
of the gun Talk channels YouTube, Facebook xgun talk dot
com and also sign up for the emails because we
have articles and videos and stuff we're putting out all
(00:52):
the time. And uh, I mean, I don't wanna, I
don't wanna, you know, start any conspiracy theories. But it's
possible that perhaps some of the tech companies don't share
out our content as much as you might like. You
don't say no, he would not have there. They would
not throttle content. They don't like. I like how they
(01:13):
always say we don't do that. I'm like, well, how
does that work? It's like invisible you go onto Instagram,
which that's another one's want to follow us gun talk
but you have to find us on Instagram because if
you type in gun talk you might not find us.
You type in gun talk Media at gun talk Media
very specifically, you'll find us. It's an interesting thing along
(01:36):
those lines. We've talked about open source defense on Probably
I know Tom's had some discussions on his show. I've
had them on gun Talk Nation. Open source defense is interesting.
It is a sub stack channel. A blog, I guess
is the old school way, this old guy you call
it a blog, but a really thoughtful take on guns
(02:00):
in gun rights. It's not just gun rights. They talk
about the tech side and technology side of it, and
they actually the guys who run it are from the
tech world. And there's there's one of their recent posts
that I was reading and going, gosh, this is so good.
The post is how they get you to tighten the
tyranny ratchet and the subtitle is sure they're black helicopters,
(02:25):
but there are black helicopters. And they shared this post
from Costas Morose, who's on X. It's a post from
him on X. He's a he's a thinker on Second
Midment things, and just a couple of highlights from this.
And what I'm doing is I want to encourage everybody
listening to this go find some more information, Go expand
(02:46):
your mind, Go think a little bit about the gun
right stuff, because sometimes there's a little bit more going
on than we think about. If this is what he says,
if the wave of district court rulings upholding assault weapon
B and magcap laws teaches us anything, it's that we
can't expect to win when we shy away from the
(03:07):
full purpose of the Second Amendment. Because when we say, well,
it's mostly just about self defense, that it's quite easy
for a district judge who's already hostile to us to say, well,
you can defend yourself pre adequately with a handgun with
ten rounds. What's the problem, Except that that's not just
(03:28):
the point. Small arms that constitute combat weapons aren't unprotected.
They are the most protected, because yes, this was to
protect yourself against the tyrannical government. And when you say that,
people listening go, oh boy, oh geez. But let's look
at this. This is an extra for eighteen eighty The
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right to keep arms. This means this is quote, this
means the right of everyone to own and use in
a peaceful manner war like weapons. Congress is forbidden to
pass any law infringing the right. It was thought that
without it, ambitious men might, by the aid of the
(04:11):
regular army, overthrow the liberties of the people and usurp
the powers of government. That is, boy, that hits.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That hit sounds like something that's going on today.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Actually, yeah, so there's a lot more in this article
that I won't I won't you know, bor us with
and we were talking about a little bit off off
the air. But go check them out open source Defense.
They're on substacks opensource defense dot substack dot com, and
go on to this is another thing. Go on to
your social media's and if you're if you're listening to
(04:47):
this and you're like, you can curate your social media experience,
whether you're on X or you're on Facebook or whatever.
Some platforms are gonna be better than others for this
type of thing. But if you will want to see
more about gun rights, look up gun rights, search gun
rights on X and then go oh that's a and
then start following people and then more of that will
(05:10):
be fed to you. If the only stuff you look
at kJ are cool hunting knives and I'm picking on
what what did I do? Cool hunting knives obviously feeds
we jiu jitsu takedown. That's all you get.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
It's all elk and and jiu jitsu, el ju jitsu
and cool looking guns like that would be the.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Ultimate page for elk jiu jitsuing each other. Yes, I'll
bet Ai could do it, But Chris, people can curate
their social media experience. You could say I want to
see more of something and start searching it, start following people,
and start you get a little bit educated, because let's
be honest, guys, how how many minutes and hours a
(05:54):
day are you spending on Instagram, X, Facebook, YouTube, whatever?
And if you say, I want you to feed me
some stuff that will not only entertain me, but maybe
just like give me a little bit of interesting thoughts
on the gun right side.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
My fees are all full of cats stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I don't know why cats chickens well, it's I really.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Do think like a lot of it is just like
feeding your mind and giving yourself that intellectual ammunition to
go out and defend our rights in public and to
stand up not just saying that you're a gun nut
or they look at you like, oh well, here we
go again, he's off on one of his rants, like
have data and material to back up what you're coming
(06:42):
to the discussion.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And it's different for everybody. I mean, I think we're
all we're all drawn to it in different ways, or
you have different skill sets. But if you are a
gun enthusiast, should you be a gun rights activist in
some way, shape or form, And how do you approach that?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
How do you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Say I'm going to do my part?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Has given you a side eye?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I can tell you this that I am. I like
politics too, and I like to watch it and learn
and read about it. But I'm not going to be
a political activist because it's not I'm not there to
persuade anybody to come to my side. However, I try
to conduct myself in a manner that doesn't portray my
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political beliefs in a bad light, just as I do
with my firearms and my my firearms enthusiasm because I
try to portray that in a good light. In that way,
I am an activist. There's different ways do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Inviting people to learn how to shoot and learning how
that's a one on one thing. It doesn't scale real well, Chris.
But you know, if you bring somebody out and you
show them how to shoot and they go, wow, guns
are cool, I'm not scared of them anymore. Maybe I'm
gonna actually purchase a gun. That's something donating to donating
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actual money to gun rights groups, Second Amendment Foundation, NRA, GOA,
maybe your state group. No, that's another way, and you
know that's an important way, and like that's I'm not
gonna I don't mean this in a bad way. It's
a great lazy way, Like, hey, I got a job.
(08:40):
I don't got time to do all that crap. Well,
do you have one hundred dollars? Can you put something
in the kiddy to help these people who that is
their full time job?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Do you do?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
You?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Are you signed up for emails from these gun right
group because they'll let you know, especially at the state level,
Hey there's something coming up. We'd love it. We'd love
to get a thousand emails going to this senator. Yes,
all right, I can do that. And they make it
so easy, right, Yes.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
They make it really easy.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And I'll do that for other states because because like
I'm so like big into the into the hunting side
that I'm up on this like wolves in Colorado or
whatever it is like that, I know that's going to
affect that state in a negative way when it comes
to hunting. And so they make it so easy, like hey,
copy this email, send hit this button and it'll go
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to that senator. And I'm doing that constantly just to
be active, like I think that's the thing. And then
showing up a day at the capitol in support of
your gun right to show them that we do care,
and that's like that plays a big impact on the
legislators that are watching.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
This, and it also can help drown out the anti
gun side. I mean if you show up to a
committee hearing at your state legislation and you got a
thousand gun rights people in favor of gun rights and
then you've got twelve angry moms against guns people there, Yeah,
(10:12):
I mean, it makes a difference.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
It.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, it's a show of force. And they say politicians
can count, you know, and it's different for everybody. Right,
it may not be your skill set, it may not
be your interest. You may be in your in your
phase of life. Be like, dude, I got kids, I
got a full time job. I don't. I can't go
to the capitol. I got I worked six days a week.
All right, cool, But maybe you hit a point where
(10:35):
you're like, kids are out of the house, I've got
a little bit more free time. I can do some
of that stuff. It's just a thought. And then I
will say I'm I'm of the opinion that arguing on
social media is mostly a waste of time.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, but I don't like that you can't read like
your emotions coming through.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
That's like it's hard for.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
People to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Like like we talk all the time, like we can
actually see that that's a joke when we write it down,
but some people read it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
As an insult, you know, right, It's.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That type of those nuances online there are so just
encourage meing you guys, go check out this stuff, Go
learn a little bit more, get involved. kJ you go
up to Oklahoma and you do you hunt in Oklahoma?
You're from Oklahoma, Yes, And it feels like lately. Every
time you go to Oklahoma, weird things happen all the time.
(11:34):
So let's let's just preface it. We've got two minutes
left in this segment. Oh my gosh, last time you
went up there, the two minute version of your son
went missing for a hot minute.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Oh that that was the time before, Like he goes messing.
I get a call from my buddy who says, hey,
there's a weird truck driving around. And then you go
to the blind like I wait on my son, wait
on my son to pick him up from coming out
of the blinds. He's hunting by himself, and I'm waiting,
and I'm waiting morning, and I'm looking at his phone
and going, well, he's in the blind.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I can see where his phone is. You go up
and I walk down, and he's not there with like
the only things I'm missing is him and his gun,
everything else, his phone, his flashlight, still in.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
The blind, still in the blind.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Stressful.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
When I go out there, I mean, and it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Was a night hunt, so it's like sun has gone down.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
The sun's gone down, and I've been waiting there for
about forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So he is he got lost for roughly about two
and a half hours, and then Mike he shot a
deer and left to go try to track it.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yep, he thought he'd go and track it down, you know,
like every little kid wants to do, Like I'm going
to track down my own deer and get it. And
I had a general direction on I deduced, like in
my thinking and my clouded thinking. I was like, Okay,
this is what happened. If I was a deer out
of this stand, He's going here or here. So I
cut the middle and the wind was blown in Oklahoma
(13:03):
like it always does, and I couldn't hear and so
coming into it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I've like started walking that direction.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
And I could hear a faint little help help, and
it was him and he was yelling help.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Do not yell help when you're just lost.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Just hey, I'm over here.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, and you recorded a great podcast on gunn Talk
Hunt about it. So you just recently went up to
Oklahoma getting ready for the season, kind of getting doing
doing some pre season prep stuff with with the boys,
and another weird thing happened. We're going to talk about
(13:42):
what happened. We're going to talk lessons learned and thoughts
on this. You guys are going to stick around for
this because it gives you a lot to think about,
especially if you're in the South. I won't see more
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Hey this Shohnny Durry from Derry's Guns. Welcome back to
gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk sitting here with Chris
Reno and Kevin Johnagan filling in for Tom this week. Kevin,
you were up in Oklahoma and a couple weeks ago
and a weird thing happened. Tell us what happens.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, So I never like, Well, we go out there,
we camp in the truck, and so the kids are
in the back of the truck. They're sleeping, and I
realize I'm about a mile and a quarter mile and
a half away from the front gate. And I realize,
you know what, I left that front gate open. I'm
gonna go unlock it instead of like just driving the
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truck up there.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I don't have a four wheeler.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I just walk it.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Beautiful moonlight night. I'm out in the woods. So it's
about ten thirty, Okay, so it's ten thirty is dark,
Like I mean, they.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
All just walk down to the gate.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, just walk down the gate.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And I have a flashlight.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I have my little bodyguard two point zero and like
just tennis shoes. And so I started walking up the
gate and I shut one and I shut two, and
I'm like okay, and I get up the front of
the gate, and the thought crossed my mind about how
odd it would be if I was on the other
side of the fence driving a truck and I saw
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a guy just standing in the field and no truck around.
You know, he doesn't have a flashlight. It would seem
very odd to me.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And that thought started across my mind because out there
this is private land, but there are public roads going
through it.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yes, public lands all around it in section miles. And
as that thought crossed my mind, I got to the
gate that I was going up to close and no
one should be out there. This is before season, no
hunting should be done. But you know, there are guys
who run coyotes out there all the time, and it's illegal.
They just let dogs out on the property and they
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go chase them down.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Then they you know, then they you know, finish them off.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And so as I'm looking up a mile away coming
down the road, there's and it's a mile you know
to my kind of southwest, there's a truck coming and
I'm like, that shouldn't be out here. This is in
the middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere. There is nothing
around and you can see for a long way. So
it's not like the lights are broken, no trees. So
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I'm western Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Then I started I start to think.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
About, like the the technology the most if a guy's
out and he's going to be night hunting or something
like that, he's either going to have night vision or thermals.
And and you know we've all messed with this technology
is they can pick up a heat signature from a
long ways away's and they might not.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Be able to make it out. That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So they could if they were run the roads night
hunting using night vision of thermal, they could see you,
but all they're going to see is a heat signature
at that distance, They're not going to be able to
tell if it's a hog or a deer or a person.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And so at that point, like my heart rates started
to pick up because as I'm watching this truck go
and it's coming in my direction, like so it would
have to come down, it would have to come down
a half mile and then a mile down the road,
so it's a mile and a half away. And then
I'm like, surely they probably, And then all of a sudden,
the headlights start picking up, the pace is picking up,
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and they turn towards you, towards me, And at that
point I knew I was like, that's not right, that's
not something you would normally do.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
And all I could.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Think about is they are going to see something running
through the field that looks like Bigfoot, and they're gonna
be the one to sit there and go I got
Bigfoot and walk up and it's me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, it's also you're out in the middle of nowhere
and the boys are sleeping in the truck and you're
a mile away.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
They have no idea that I'm gone. Well, they had
an idea that I was gone because I told them.
I was like, hey, I've got to go shut the gates.
I'll be back in like thirty five minutes. And and
so I start, I shut the gate because thank goodness,
I can shut it.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I can lock it.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
And then I start jogging back, and then I start
to think, Okay, if this truck gets close enough, how
do I tell them that I am a human And
it's okay? And the first thing that I go to
is like, okay, I've got it. I've got a flashlight,
like that's my first thing, flashlight, and and here but
thank goodness, I'm like I made it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I maybe ran a sub in the dark. A sub
eight minute mile and I was, and I always going
look it a hood, but but I was getting to
a point where I felt like, even if they were shooting,
if they did take a pot shot at a heat signature, Yeah,
because that was my worst fear is that they just
see heat signature, throw the gun up and then go.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sure people shoot hair and in the woods and shoot
other people and they can't see orange.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
You cannot see orange and thermal or night vision.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, Chris, I think you hadn't heard that story yet.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
No, I think it's Uh, I think it's scary. The
first thought I had was the flashlight. I mean, yeah,
you just got to hit him with the flashlight. And
that's why that Surefire turbo is nice because man, it
reaches out and touches someone.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, knock the light on your phone. The light phone
is not worth anything.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
No, No, that you got to have a good flashlight.
I don't. I don't go out in the evenings without
one of my good flash Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, and uh having a good light. That mean funny
people go you carry a flashlight, like during the day,
you go into work and you come home like, yeah,
I always have a light with me. Why would you
do that well, just in case that's a wild enough Yeah.
Cool being out there in the woods and the truck's
(22:00):
coming and you're going to play a minute. It could
be road honey. Yeah, we'll talk more about that. I'm
Ryan Gresham. You've got kJ Chris Reno filling in for Tom.
We'll be back with more gun Talk. Hey, welcome back
to gun Talk. Ryan Gresham'm filling in for Tom. We've
(22:21):
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We also run classes and events and stuff like that
that we'll talk more about here in a second. But
so guys, I was I went. I got invited to
(22:42):
go shoot a sporting clays like a charity sporting clay
shoot last week and real fun. Great place for get
this place, Covey Rise that's just north of us. It's
a fantastic facility and they have a safety briefing before
we start. This biggest sporting clay shooting and of course
clay shoots are a friendly get together. You have companies
(23:04):
sponsoring teams, and then you have to assemble the team,
and maybe you have for people who are shooting enthusiasts,
but maybe you're like, well, let's get this guy from
sales and this guy from marketing, this guy from accounting
to maybe they're you know, the levels of skills could vary. Sure,
So they had a safety briefing and did a nice
(23:26):
little safety brief everybody. One of the main things a
very simple thing, as they said, when you enter your
your shooting box position for sporting clays, you enter with
an empty gun and you leave with an empty gun,
which I kind of liked. I thought, very simple way
to handle it. And there were some more instructions there too.
But one of the guys and I'm not gonna I'm
(23:47):
not trying to throw this guy under the bus, but
one of the guys with us was less experienced, and
so the very first station we get in there and
he gets in the into the shooting position for sporting clays.
You know, you have that cage, so it's kind of
a safe you can't really point the gun in the
unsafe direction, and he's got the gun point in a
safe direction out there where the clays are being thrown
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and he's trying to load the gun and all of
a sudden, gun goes off.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Boom, and everybody's stomach drops went WHOA.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, he was just holding the gun at his side,
trying to load it, and he obviously pulled the trigger
while trying to put one in the chamber. And then
he was trying to load him in the tube of
a semiato and pulled the trigger. Went boom and we
all went whoa. Okay, but it was pointed in a
safe direction.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Chris.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You have to deal with safety all the time in
our classes and events, and it's it's concerning when you
have something to happen. But it's like the trigger thing
was not followed, but the point of the gun in
a safe direction thing was followed.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well, the good thing is nobody was hurt and everybody
learned something. And I would be willing to bet he's
not going to do that again. But you give somebody
a gun that they're unfamiliar with and they get fumble fingers,
they don't know where the safety is, they think they
should touch the safety. He's obviously loading a semi automatic. Yep.
You know I've trained police officers on the semi automatic shotguns,
(25:15):
and we had to qualify once a year back in
the day when they first came out. Yeah, nobody remembered
how to use that gun every time it came out
once a year. Yeah, And you can't give somebody a
gun like that and expect success. And it's whoever set
him up for failure should have been standing there saying, hey,
so this is how you do it. You're going to
put two in here, pressed this tickler button racket, it's
(25:37):
going to put it in the chamber. You know, been
on whatever kind of gun it is.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I mean, and you're The problem is there's this
thing about men. They don't like to ask for directions.
They don't like to ask for help, especially in a
group of other men, especially when you're doing gun things,
when you're feeling like I don't want to show people
that I don't know how to do this. That's that
is an inclination for a lot of people. And this
is when you need to say, guys, I shoot guns
(26:04):
like once every five years, I need your help with this.
Show me the ropes well, and we'd be happy to.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It's you're right, it's the man ego like and the
nerves that he has to be going through also before
he even got there. Man, it's hard to speak up
in moments like that, it really is. And when you're
heading into something new that he's not used to and
he's like, oh, is.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
This a tournament?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I didn't know I was shooting again with Ryan Gresham.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well it's this guy.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And then all of a sudden we come out there
with some cameras and I know he is nervous.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, And I could see the nerves in that, and
it's just.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Like, everybody, just slow down.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
We're all good here and nothing to see.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean, I play golf, like, you know, once every
couple of years. I like it, but I don't really
play it. And think about going to a charity golf
tournament on the first tee and it's like everybody's staying
there watching you. All right, go ahead and tee off.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You're like craft, You're said there thinking, I know, like
yours out there, I'm gonna flub this off the front
of the green. I'm gonna have to drop my pants
and hit from the ladies.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
That's right, I just mix it to the lady.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Think that's what I'm thinking, like, And then what's gonna
happen exactly that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Just just grip it and rip it right on daily. Yeah,
so it's just just for everybody listening to me, it
was one of those things that happened. It was weirdly.
It was like, okay, yes it was an accidental discharge
or negligent discharge, but the gun was to point in
a safe direction. So it was just surprising. It wasn't,
you know, catastrophic, Chris, We we put on an essential
(27:40):
pistol Skills class this weekend, So talk about the essential
pistol skills and then we'll talk about what those skills are.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, when we decided we were going to do a
one day class for people that really probably need it,
and almost everybody needs it, trust me, I decided that
it needed to it needed to train and teach to
the skills that I would want somebody, anybody coming to
the three day pistol class.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Well, and that's that's that's what we're really getting at,
is we're calling it essential pistol skills because that really
is that. It is another way to put it. And
Chris is going to say he doesn't like this, but
if I said it was a one day basic handgun class,
but that's very descriptive. It doesn't sound as fun.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It doesn't sound fun at all, and that stuff doesn't
really sell.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
We had people coming to a two and three day
pistol class that lacked a certain level of say.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I've never used a holster, right, then you have to
be honest with yourself. I mean, just because you're a
shooter and you go out and discharge a firearm and
a safe direction on an indoor range or an outdoor
range does not mean you can come to a class
and then all of a sudden you start drawing and
run in the gun.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well, they, yes, we will teach you how to do things,
but there is a certain minimum level of skill that
we'd like you to have for showing up. And that's
why we said, okay, let's back it up a little bit.
Let's have a one day essential pistol skills class and
help people get further down the road. And so when
we come back from the break, we're going to talk
about what are those essential skills that someone should have
(29:15):
to show up to a pistol class, which obviously are
going to lead to them being safer, having more fun,
be able to excel faster in a pistol class and
of course lead to being comfortable and incompetent to protect
themselves and others. It's not something we're born with, guys,
It's something we have to learn. That's why we train,
(29:36):
that's why we practice. We're going to talk about it
more after the break. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Still on the air.
They still can't kick us off, Kjay.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Can't kiss off After thirty years. You think they've talked
about all the guns.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
So you got you got Ryan Gresham, Chris Rino kJ
we're filling in for Tom this week. We're recording this
in our studios, the Gun Talk Studios. So go check
it out. Go look us up online if they'll let
you find us YouTube, Facebook, x Instagram. I don't know.
We're not on substack yet.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
We're not on Pinterest. Yeah, like your Spotify might find
us on Pinterest, you might, Yeah, you will. So when
we went to the break, Chris, we were talking about
essential pistol skills and we run this one day class
that's kind of a basics class. But what are those
essential skills that we're trying to get people to learn
(32:40):
so they can progress to the next step.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Well, safety is never number one. But when we talk
about safety, we talk about muscles and trigger fingers. And
it's very funny because I went to another major training
academy and all they cared about was muscles and trigger fingers.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And when you say safety is not number one, people's
ears perk up because they go whoa, whoao, What do
you mean by that? Are they saying that safety is
not important?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah? If safety was ever first, we probably wouldn't have
driven into work, Todavid, I don't know about you, because
the road I travel is a windy, snaky country road
that is a fifty five mile an hour speed limit,
and the only thing separating me between the other car
and my car is a painted yellow line. So if
safety was first, I wouldn't drive.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's a weird concept for people to say, well, yes,
we are doing things safely, and we're running a safe range,
and we're educating people about safety. But I guess what,
Chris is what you mean is there are places that
take the safety first thing literal. Whereas you're not allowed
(33:46):
to load a gun, you're not allowed to do anything
with the gun. Because the emphasis is on safety. It
doesn't mean we're not emphasizing safety. I struggle with how
the same struggle with trying to describe it to be safe.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
This gun is an unloaded gun, right and honestly, since
we have to treat all firearms as if they were
loaded until proven otherwise, the safest thing to do is
just not be around guns, right.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So everybody go, I have not just doing that. Let's
say you talk, guns are super dangerous, never touch them,
never load them, never shoot them, and thank you for
coming to my ted talk. Yeah, it's just like what
getting to the affilta.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, essential skills, safety muscles, and trigger fingers because we
wanted to think about it in that fashion. Okay, because
as long as my trigger finger stays out of that
trigger guard, there's a good thing. And as long as
my gun's pointed in a safe direction, like the finger
does get in there, but probably gonna be okay, kind
of like your shotgun story, you know. All right, So
then we talk about handling safety. Can they pick it
(34:48):
up because everybody wants to put I mean, you get
in a car, where's your gas foot go? It's to
the gas pedal, right, right, because I have to break
well one or the other, right, I mean it's kind
of like that that that triggers the pedal where your
finger goes, and everybody thinks the finger goes there. So
we talk about that. It's a safe safety safe handling
(35:10):
situational awareness, which enhances safety because you just keep your
heads up scanning, watch what's going on around you. Of course,
we have to know how the gun functions. We've got
to be able to lock it to the rear because
there are times that you have to lock it to
the rear you're loading, and Cleary, it's hard. It's hard
to lock it to the rear. It's the semiado, right,
So I just go like this, and if you could
see me right now, I'm pulling the slide into my chest,
(35:33):
pushing the bistol forward, looking inside, and then letting it
go because it's too much after it to actually learn
how to run it. But if you have a malfunction,
a Class three malfunction, a double feed failure to extract,
you have to learn how to lock it to the rear.
These are things that are important. And then of course
knowing how to prep a magazine. How can we get
bullets in the magazine? Because today we've got all these
(35:54):
extra loading aids and nobody really knows how to load
a magazine, to prepare the magazine for use.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So we'd like you to be able to show up
and know how to load. And when you come to
beyond the essential pistol skills, you go to a two
or three day class, or you go to gun site,
you go to sig Academy, or you go to anybody's
like multi day class. They would like you to know
a certain level right loading the gun, unloading the gun,
(36:25):
walking this line.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Rear unloading using your holster. Then most people don't draw
from holsters because they can't They're not allowed to do
it on ranges. So it's like going to I want
to I'm going to join your band, and we're taking auditions,
and I show up with my guitar and I don't
even know how to turn it on right or plug
it in to the speaker, or which jack to do use,
(36:48):
or which knob to turn up to make the sound
come up or adjust it like you know how to
use your gear. Oh, I own a guitar. I'd like
to be in your band.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
How many times have we had I've seen it in
you'll carry classes. We've seen some stuff around here in
other places. I mean, the gun is in the box.
The gun is still in the It doesn't look like
it's ever come out of the box of In fact,
when they open the box, the gun's still in plastic.
And it's like, well, I thought you guys were going
to teach me all this stuff. We will. We will
teach you what we have to teach you. We want
(37:19):
everybody to learn and have a good experience. But boy,
we can get further down the road if you actually
have sort of a base knowledge.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, you have to have the essential skills. You know,
grip sites and trigger. Do you understand it? How to
hold the gun, how to press the trigger? You know,
if we can get you there, because then I tell
you what everybody that's come to our basic or essential
skills classes and then kJ will second this.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
You know this.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I mean they've all said, man am i glad I
went to the one day class. Yes, man am i
glad I went to the one day class because it
sets you up for success for the next class, because
otherwise you're the guy that's wasting everybody else's money because
we can't we can't spend enough time with you to
(38:03):
get you on track, while everybody else just stands there.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Everyone else knows how guns work. You're the one that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yep. I mean, I'm sorry to say that stuff and
it's sad, but the problem is people just don't know
what they don't know. Yeah, yeah, don't know what they
don't know. And again the ego thing, the egos everybody
wants to admit to not knowing.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, what do we have on the gun talk radio
for thirty years. People call and say which gun should
I buy? And it's like, which gun should I buy?
What's it for? What's for self defense? Usually conceal carry
self defense, And you're asking the wrong question. And at
this point there's a lot of good guns out there,
but you're gonna have to commit to actually learning how
to shoot the gun. And that's something that people have
(38:45):
to commit to and learn a little bit because it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
In the home concealed carry. I don't know what kind
of gun you want. You may want a shotgun at home.
You may want a pistol for concealed carry.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
These are all things that we talk about on all
of our shows on gun to We will be you
right back, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
To gun Talk in the home streatch here, and we
had these questions that we threw out at the beginning
of the show, most underrated cartridge, how many guns? And
how much AMO equal and arsenal? And then what discontinued
gun do you wish they would bring back into production? Guys,
we had over three thousand comments on the gun Talk
(39:32):
Facebook page here with questions and uh, I'm kind of curious,
Chris do you have a discontinued gun. Do they wish
you wish they'd bring back?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
So we have three questions, right, yeah, caliber, I said
twenty two Yes, the arsenal pleatea.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Would you say your head up?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I would say I have a pleatea, not an arsenal.
And then my third one for the gun that I
loved that I would love to see come back, is
the Ruger forty four car being pre before that, it
was the deer Slayer. I had here two of them.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
One I could never get to work, right, one I
actually killed deer with. And that forty four magnum out
of a ten twenty two body. Yeah, yep, is one
of the coolest things Chris Bridges forty four Ruger.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
But with the box mag the car being I can't
remember what it's called.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I left the tube bag. I like the tube mag
They did make it. They did do something with a
box magnet before they made the Mini fourteen. A lot
of people had that same sentiment.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Though I saw a lot.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I had two of those. I lost them well, I
sold them both during a divorce for money.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You know those guns that you sil and you've fresh
and I sold that, well, have that, Ruger, here's one
I didn't see, Rod says Ruger, ten twenty two magnum.
I saw that.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Then I was like, I don't know that mag I've
never seen a ten to twenty two magnum.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I need to hear about that.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I need to get educated on that, because that does
that short me that.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I mean, hey, Ruger, if you're listening, I wouldn't be
opposed to bringing.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
That back if it was the thing, that would be cool.
You have to have a longer magazine, rotary magazine.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Well, I have the.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Rotary magazine for the twenty two stainless all Weather that
I have the bull cunt. I'm seventy seven, so they
make the magazine.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
So why couldn't they do it?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Come on, all right, Ruger, come on, come on, you
got this, Ruger, I.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Got I got to start a petition.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I'm making a trip to gunbroker dot com after this show.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's a funny thing, like people are saying the Savage
Model ninety nine, Oh yeah, you can go buy one, guys.
I mean you could say, I wish, but bring it
back would make it brand new. But then when they
bring it back and it's redesigned, that it's Sarah. Could
they'll be bad about it?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah, yes, it's never going to be like that classic.
Just like I'm thinking about that forty four company, I'm
better off spending the two thousand dollars for a brand
new in the box nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Dear.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
So if you want a Ruger number one or the
Ruger forty four, Magnum self loading car being or Han
Solo's Mauser, probably not gonna happen. Now you can go
on guns dot com, you can go on gun broker.
You can find these things. Finding used guns and buying
them is a brillion.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yes, it's so.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
Easy to do nowadays.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Used to you, you'd either hear about it from a
guy down the street who's wanting to pawn one off
and you just happen to end up with it, or
you're at a pawn shop just by happenstance and like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
And what's crazy is it could be a fifty or
sixty year old gun, and if it's been taken care of,
it's fine. You can go out and shoot it. It's
not it's not an antique.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I shoot all mine. Yeah, gun broker has been my
friend and my enemy.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, they send you Christmas cards. Yeah, just does gunbrokers
send you a Christmas card? Then you might have a problem. Yes, yeah,
uh these are just you know, this is stuff we do.
We're always talking about on all the gun Talk channels.
So go follow us, go subscribe, go follow, go ring
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in for Tom this week, and he'll be back next week,
(43:19):
god willing, and he'll probably have a bunch of new
elk meat in your freezer. I think moos moose meat,
elk me. He's on. He's on a mission to you know,
cure Idaho of all its critters. So thanks for listening.
It's been fun. We will see you guys next time
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Hey, welcome back more gun talk. We keep going our
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I'm filling in for Tom Gresham. He is out today.
And we've got the whole gun Talk crew here. We've
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's awesome.
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So we're we're here at gun Talk headquarters and we
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the time. And uh, I mean, I don't wanna, I
don't wanna, you know, start any conspiracy theories. But it's
possible that perhaps some of the tech companies don't share
out our content as much as you might like. You
don't say no, he would not have there. They would
not throttle content. They don't like. I like how they
(01:13):
always say we don't do that. I'm like, well, how
does that work? It's like invisible you go onto Instagram,
which that's another one's want to follow us gun talk
but you have to find us on Instagram because if
you type in gun talk you might not find us.
You type in gun talk Media at gun talk Media
very specifically, you'll find us. It's an interesting thing along
(01:36):
those lines. We've talked about open source defense on Probably
I know Tom's had some discussions on his show. I've
had them on gun Talk Nation. Open source defense is interesting.
It is a sub stack channel. A blog, I guess
is the old school way, this old guy you call
it a blog, but a really thoughtful take on guns
(02:00):
in gun rights. It's not just gun rights. They talk
about the tech side and technology side of it, and
they actually the guys who run it are from the
tech world. And there's there's one of their recent posts
that I was reading and going, gosh, this is so good.
The post is how they get you to tighten the
tyranny ratchet and the subtitle is sure they're black helicopters,
(02:25):
but there are black helicopters. And they shared this post
from Costas Morose, who's on X. It's a post from
him on X. He's a he's a thinker on Second
Midment things, and just a couple of highlights from this.
And what I'm doing is I want to encourage everybody
listening to this go find some more information, Go expand
(02:46):
your mind, Go think a little bit about the gun
right stuff, because sometimes there's a little bit more going
on than we think about. If this is what he says,
if the wave of district court rulings upholding assault weapon
B and magcap laws teaches us anything, it's that we
can't expect to win when we shy away from the
(03:07):
full purpose of the Second Amendment. Because when we say, well,
it's mostly just about self defense, that it's quite easy
for a district judge who's already hostile to us to say, well,
you can defend yourself pre adequately with a handgun with
ten rounds. What's the problem, Except that that's not just
(03:28):
the point. Small arms that constitute combat weapons aren't unprotected.
They are the most protected, because yes, this was to
protect yourself against the tyrannical government. And when you say that,
people listening go, oh boy, oh geez. But let's look
at this. This is an extra for eighteen eighty The
(03:50):
right to keep arms. This means this is quote, this
means the right of everyone to own and use in
a peaceful manner war like weapons. Congress is forbidden to
pass any law infringing the right. It was thought that
without it, ambitious men might, by the aid of the
(04:11):
regular army, overthrow the liberties of the people and usurp
the powers of government. That is, boy, that hits.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That hit sounds like something that's going on today.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Actually, yeah, so there's a lot more in this article
that I won't I won't you know, bor us with
and we were talking about a little bit off off
the air. But go check them out open source Defense.
They're on substacks opensource defense dot substack dot com, and
go on to this is another thing. Go on to
your social media's and if you're if you're listening to
(04:47):
this and you're like, you can curate your social media experience,
whether you're on X or you're on Facebook or whatever.
Some platforms are gonna be better than others for this
type of thing. But if you will want to see
more about gun rights, look up gun rights, search gun
rights on X and then go oh that's a and
then start following people and then more of that will
(05:10):
be fed to you. If the only stuff you look
at kJ are cool hunting knives and I'm picking on
what what did I do? Cool hunting knives obviously feeds
we jiu jitsu takedown. That's all you get.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
It's all elk and and jiu jitsu, el ju jitsu
and cool looking guns like that would be the.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Ultimate page for elk jiu jitsuing each other. Yes, I'll
bet Ai could do it, But Chris, people can curate
their social media experience. You could say I want to
see more of something and start searching it, start following people,
and start you get a little bit educated, because let's
be honest, guys, how how many minutes and hours a
(05:54):
day are you spending on Instagram, X, Facebook, YouTube, whatever?
And if you say, I want you to feed me
some stuff that will not only entertain me, but maybe
just like give me a little bit of interesting thoughts
on the gun right side.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
My fees are all full of cats stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I don't know why cats chickens well, it's I really.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Do think like a lot of it is just like
feeding your mind and giving yourself that intellectual ammunition to
go out and defend our rights in public and to
stand up not just saying that you're a gun nut
or they look at you like, oh well, here we
go again, he's off on one of his rants, like
have data and material to back up what you're coming
(06:42):
to the discussion.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And it's different for everybody. I mean, I think we're
all we're all drawn to it in different ways, or
you have different skill sets. But if you are a
gun enthusiast, should you be a gun rights activist in
some way, shape or form, And how do you approach that?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
How do you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Say I'm going to do my part?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Has given you a side eye?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I can tell you this that I am. I like
politics too, and I like to watch it and learn
and read about it. But I'm not going to be
a political activist because it's not I'm not there to
persuade anybody to come to my side. However, I try
to conduct myself in a manner that doesn't portray my
(07:34):
political beliefs in a bad light, just as I do
with my firearms and my my firearms enthusiasm because I
try to portray that in a good light. In that way,
I am an activist. There's different ways do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Inviting people to learn how to shoot and learning how
that's a one on one thing. It doesn't scale real well, Chris.
But you know, if you bring somebody out and you
show them how to shoot and they go, wow, guns
are cool, I'm not scared of them anymore. Maybe I'm
gonna actually purchase a gun. That's something donating to donating
(08:20):
actual money to gun rights groups, Second Amendment Foundation, NRA, GOA,
maybe your state group. No, that's another way, and you
know that's an important way, and like that's I'm not
gonna I don't mean this in a bad way. It's
a great lazy way, Like, hey, I got a job.
(08:40):
I don't got time to do all that crap. Well,
do you have one hundred dollars? Can you put something
in the kiddy to help these people who that is
their full time job?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Do you do?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
You?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Are you signed up for emails from these gun right
group because they'll let you know, especially at the state level,
Hey there's something coming up. We'd love it. We'd love
to get a thousand emails going to this senator. Yes,
all right, I can do that. And they make it
so easy, right, Yes.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
They make it really easy.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And I'll do that for other states because because like
I'm so like big into the into the hunting side
that I'm up on this like wolves in Colorado or
whatever it is like that, I know that's going to
affect that state in a negative way when it comes
to hunting. And so they make it so easy, like hey,
copy this email, send hit this button and it'll go
(09:30):
to that senator. And I'm doing that constantly just to
be active, like I think that's the thing. And then
showing up a day at the capitol in support of
your gun right to show them that we do care,
and that's like that plays a big impact on the
legislators that are watching.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
This, and it also can help drown out the anti
gun side. I mean if you show up to a
committee hearing at your state legislation and you got a
thousand gun rights people in favor of gun rights and
then you've got twelve angry moms against guns people there, Yeah,
(10:12):
I mean, it makes a difference.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
It.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, it's a show of force. And they say politicians
can count, you know, and it's different for everybody. Right,
it may not be your skill set, it may not
be your interest. You may be in your in your
phase of life. Be like, dude, I got kids, I
got a full time job. I don't. I can't go
to the capitol. I got I worked six days a week.
All right, cool, But maybe you hit a point where
(10:35):
you're like, kids are out of the house, I've got
a little bit more free time. I can do some
of that stuff. It's just a thought. And then I
will say I'm I'm of the opinion that arguing on
social media is mostly a waste of time.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, but I don't like that you can't read like
your emotions coming through.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
That's like it's hard for.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
People to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Like like we talk all the time, like we can
actually see that that's a joke when we write it down,
but some people read it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
As an insult, you know, right, It's.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That type of those nuances online there are so just
encourage meing you guys, go check out this stuff, Go
learn a little bit more, get involved. kJ you go
up to Oklahoma and you do you hunt in Oklahoma?
You're from Oklahoma, Yes, And it feels like lately. Every
time you go to Oklahoma, weird things happen all the time.
(11:34):
So let's let's just preface it. We've got two minutes
left in this segment. Oh my gosh, last time you
went up there, the two minute version of your son
went missing for a hot minute.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Oh that that was the time before, Like he goes messing.
I get a call from my buddy who says, hey,
there's a weird truck driving around. And then you go
to the blind like I wait on my son, wait
on my son to pick him up from coming out
of the blinds. He's hunting by himself, and I'm waiting,
and I'm waiting morning, and I'm looking at his phone
and going, well, he's in the blind.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
I see it.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I can see where his phone is. You go up
and I walk down, and he's not there with like
the only things I'm missing is him and his gun,
everything else, his phone, his flashlight, still in.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
The blind, still in the blind.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Stressful.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
When I go out there, I mean, and it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Was a night hunt, so it's like sun has gone down.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
The sun's gone down, and I've been waiting there for
about forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So he is he got lost for roughly about two
and a half hours, and then Mike he shot a
deer and left to go try to track it.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yep, he thought he'd go and track it down, you know,
like every little kid wants to do, Like I'm going
to track down my own deer and get it. And
I had a general direction on I deduced, like in
my thinking and my clouded thinking. I was like, Okay,
this is what happened. If I was a deer out
of this stand, He's going here or here. So I
cut the middle and the wind was blown in Oklahoma
(13:03):
like it always does, and I couldn't hear and so
coming into it.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I've like started walking that direction.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
And I could hear a faint little help help, and
it was him and he was yelling help.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Do not yell help when you're just lost.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Just hey, I'm over here.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, and you recorded a great podcast on gunn Talk
Hunt about it. So you just recently went up to
Oklahoma getting ready for the season, kind of getting doing
doing some pre season prep stuff with with the boys,
and another weird thing happened. We're going to talk about
(13:42):
what happened. We're going to talk lessons learned and thoughts
on this. You guys are going to stick around for
this because it gives you a lot to think about,
especially if you're in the South. I won't see more
than that, but it's a good one, all right. You're
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Speaker 2 (16:27):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk sitting here with Chris
Reno and Kevin Johnagan filling in for Tom this week. Kevin,
you were up in Oklahoma and a couple weeks ago
and a weird thing happened. Tell us what happens.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Okay, So I never like, Well, we go out there,
we camp in the truck, and so the kids are
in the back of the truck. They're sleeping, and I
realize I'm about a mile and a quarter mile and
a half away from the front gate. And I realize,
you know what, I left that front gate open. I'm
gonna go unlock it instead of like just driving the
(17:00):
truck up there.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I don't have a four wheeler.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I just walk it.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Beautiful moonlight night. I'm out in the woods. So it's
about ten thirty, Okay, so it's ten thirty is dark,
Like I mean, they.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
All just walk down to the gate.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, just walk down the gate.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And I have a flashlight.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I have my little bodyguard two point zero and like
just tennis shoes. And so I started walking up the
gate and I shut one and I shut two, and
I'm like okay, and I get up the front of
the gate, and the thought crossed my mind about how
odd it would be if I was on the other
side of the fence driving a truck and I saw
(17:37):
a guy just standing in the field and no truck around.
You know, he doesn't have a flashlight. It would seem
very odd to me.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
And that thought started across my mind because out there
this is private land, but there are public roads going
through it.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yes, public lands all around it in section miles. And
as that thought crossed my mind, I got to the
gate that I was going up to close and no
one should be out there. This is before season, no
hunting should be done. But you know, there are guys
who run coyotes out there all the time, and it's illegal.
They just let dogs out on the property and they
(18:13):
go chase them down.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Then they you know, then they you know, finish them off.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And so as I'm looking up a mile away coming
down the road, there's and it's a mile you know
to my kind of southwest, there's a truck coming and
I'm like, that shouldn't be out here. This is in
the middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere. There is nothing
around and you can see for a long way. So
it's not like the lights are broken, no trees. So
(18:40):
I'm western Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Then I started I start to think.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
About, like the the technology the most if a guy's
out and he's going to be night hunting or something
like that, he's either going to have night vision or thermals.
And and you know we've all messed with this technology
is they can pick up a heat signature from a
long ways away's and they might not.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Be able to make it out. That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So they could if they were run the roads night
hunting using night vision of thermal, they could see you,
but all they're going to see is a heat signature
at that distance, They're not going to be able to
tell if it's a hog or a deer or a person.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And so at that point, like my heart rates started
to pick up because as I'm watching this truck go
and it's coming in my direction, like so it would
have to come down, it would have to come down
a half mile and then a mile down the road,
so it's a mile and a half away. And then
I'm like, surely they probably, And then all of a sudden,
the headlights start picking up, the pace is picking up,
(19:41):
and they turn towards you, towards me, And at that
point I knew I was like, that's not right, that's
not something you would normally do.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
And all I could.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Think about is they are going to see something running
through the field that looks like Bigfoot, and they're gonna
be the one to sit there and go I got
Bigfoot and walk up and it's me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, it's also you're out in the middle of nowhere
and the boys are sleeping in the truck and you're
a mile away.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
They have no idea that I'm gone. Well, they had
an idea that I was gone because I told them.
I was like, hey, I've got to go shut the gates.
I'll be back in like thirty five minutes. And and
so I start, I shut the gate because thank goodness,
I can shut it.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I can lock it.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
And then I start jogging back, and then I start
to think, Okay, if this truck gets close enough, how
do I tell them that I am a human And
it's okay? And the first thing that I go to
is like, okay, I've got it. I've got a flashlight,
like that's my first thing, flashlight, and and here but
thank goodness, I'm like I made it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I maybe ran a sub in the dark. A sub
eight minute mile and I was, and I always going
look it a hood, but but I was getting to
a point where I felt like, even if they were shooting,
if they did take a pot shot at a heat signature, Yeah,
because that was my worst fear is that they just
see heat signature, throw the gun up and then go.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Sure people shoot hair and in the woods and shoot
other people and they can't see orange.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
You cannot see orange and thermal or night vision.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, Chris, I think you hadn't heard that story yet.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
No, I think it's Uh, I think it's scary. The
first thought I had was the flashlight. I mean, yeah,
you just got to hit him with the flashlight. And
that's why that Surefire turbo is nice because man, it
reaches out and touches someone.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, knock the light on your phone. The light phone
is not worth anything.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
No, No, that you got to have a good flashlight.
I don't. I don't go out in the evenings without
one of my good flash Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, and uh having a good light. That mean funny
people go you carry a flashlight, like during the day,
you go into work and you come home like, yeah,
I always have a light with me. Why would you
do that well, just in case that's a wild enough Yeah.
Cool being out there in the woods and the truck's
(22:00):
coming and you're going to play a minute. It could
be road honey. Yeah, we'll talk more about that. I'm
Ryan Gresham. You've got kJ Chris Reno filling in for Tom.
We'll be back with more gun Talk. Hey, welcome back
to gun Talk. Ryan Gresham'm filling in for Tom. We've
(22:21):
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We also run classes and events and stuff like that
that we'll talk more about here in a second. But
so guys, I was I went. I got invited to
(22:42):
go shoot a sporting clays like a charity sporting clay
shoot last week and real fun. Great place for get
this place, Covey Rise that's just north of us. It's
a fantastic facility and they have a safety briefing before
we start. This biggest sporting clay shooting and of course
clay shoots are a friendly get together. You have companies
(23:04):
sponsoring teams, and then you have to assemble the team,
and maybe you have for people who are shooting enthusiasts,
but maybe you're like, well, let's get this guy from
sales and this guy from marketing, this guy from accounting
to maybe they're you know, the levels of skills could vary. Sure,
So they had a safety briefing and did a nice
(23:26):
little safety brief everybody. One of the main things a
very simple thing, as they said, when you enter your
your shooting box position for sporting clays, you enter with
an empty gun and you leave with an empty gun,
which I kind of liked. I thought, very simple way
to handle it. And there were some more instructions there too.
But one of the guys and I'm not gonna I'm
(23:47):
not trying to throw this guy under the bus, but
one of the guys with us was less experienced, and
so the very first station we get in there and
he gets in the into the shooting position for sporting clays.
You know, you have that cage, so it's kind of
a safe you can't really point the gun in the
unsafe direction, and he's got the gun point in a
safe direction out there where the clays are being thrown
(24:07):
and he's trying to load the gun and all of
a sudden, gun goes off.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Boom, and everybody's stomach drops went WHOA.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, he was just holding the gun at his side,
trying to load it, and he obviously pulled the trigger
while trying to put one in the chamber. And then
he was trying to load him in the tube of
a semiato and pulled the trigger. Went boom and we
all went whoa. Okay, but it was pointed in a
safe direction.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Chris.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You have to deal with safety all the time in
our classes and events, and it's it's concerning when you
have something to happen. But it's like the trigger thing
was not followed, but the point of the gun in
a safe direction thing was followed.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well, the good thing is nobody was hurt and everybody
learned something. And I would be willing to bet he's
not going to do that again. But you give somebody
a gun that they're unfamiliar with and they get fumble fingers,
they don't know where the safety is, they think they
should touch the safety. He's obviously loading a semi automatic. Yep.
You know I've trained police officers on the semi automatic shotguns,
(25:15):
and we had to qualify once a year back in
the day when they first came out. Yeah, nobody remembered
how to use that gun every time it came out
once a year. Yeah, And you can't give somebody a
gun like that and expect success. And it's whoever set
him up for failure should have been standing there saying, hey,
so this is how you do it. You're going to
put two in here, pressed this tickler button racket, it's
(25:37):
going to put it in the chamber. You know, been
on whatever kind of gun it is.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I mean, and you're The problem is there's this
thing about men. They don't like to ask for directions.
They don't like to ask for help, especially in a
group of other men, especially when you're doing gun things,
when you're feeling like I don't want to show people
that I don't know how to do this. That's that
is an inclination for a lot of people. And this
is when you need to say, guys, I shoot guns
(26:04):
like once every five years, I need your help with this.
Show me the ropes well, and we'd be happy to.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
It's you're right, it's the man ego like and the
nerves that he has to be going through also before
he even got there. Man, it's hard to speak up
in moments like that, it really is. And when you're
heading into something new that he's not used to and
he's like, oh, is.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
This a tournament?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I didn't know I was shooting again with Ryan Gresham.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well it's this guy.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And then all of a sudden we come out there
with some cameras and I know he is nervous.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, And I could see the nerves in that, and
it's just.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Like, everybody, just slow down.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
We're all good here and nothing to see.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean, I play golf, like, you know, once every
couple of years. I like it, but I don't really
play it. And think about going to a charity golf
tournament on the first tee and it's like everybody's staying
there watching you. All right, go ahead and tee off.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You're like craft, You're said there thinking, I know, like
yours out there, I'm gonna flub this off the front
of the green. I'm gonna have to drop my pants
and hit from the ladies.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
That's right, I just mix it to the lady.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Think that's what I'm thinking, like, And then what's gonna
happen exactly that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Just just grip it and rip it right on daily. Yeah,
so it's just just for everybody listening to me, it
was one of those things that happened. It was weirdly.
It was like, okay, yes it was an accidental discharge
or negligent discharge, but the gun was to point in
a safe direction. So it was just surprising. It wasn't,
you know, catastrophic, Chris, We we put on an essential
(27:40):
pistol Skills class this weekend, So talk about the essential
pistol skills and then we'll talk about what those skills are.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, when we decided we were going to do a
one day class for people that really probably need it,
and almost everybody needs it, trust me, I decided that
it needed to it needed to train and teach to
the skills that I would want somebody, anybody coming to
the three day pistol class.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Well, and that's that's that's what we're really getting at,
is we're calling it essential pistol skills because that really
is that. It is another way to put it. And
Chris is going to say he doesn't like this, but
if I said it was a one day basic handgun class,
but that's very descriptive. It doesn't sound as fun.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It doesn't sound fun at all, and that stuff doesn't
really sell.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
We had people coming to a two and three day
pistol class that lacked a certain level of say.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I've never used a holster, right, then you have to
be honest with yourself. I mean, just because you're a
shooter and you go out and discharge a firearm and
a safe direction on an indoor range or an outdoor
range does not mean you can come to a class
and then all of a sudden you start drawing and
run in the gun.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well, they, yes, we will teach you how to do things,
but there is a certain minimum level of skill that
we'd like you to have for showing up. And that's
why we said, okay, let's back it up a little bit.
Let's have a one day essential pistol skills class and
help people get further down the road. And so when
we come back from the break, we're going to talk
about what are those essential skills that someone should have
(29:15):
to show up to a pistol class, which obviously are
going to lead to them being safer, having more fun,
be able to excel faster in a pistol class and
of course lead to being comfortable and incompetent to protect
themselves and others. It's not something we're born with, guys,
It's something we have to learn. That's why we train,
(29:36):
that's why we practice. We're going to talk about it
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On your crosshairs, I like a thin crosshair, Aje.
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Speaker 2 (31:52):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Still on the air.
They still can't kick us off, Kjay.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Can't kiss off After thirty years. You think they've talked
about all the guns.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
So you got you got Ryan Gresham, Chris Rino kJ
we're filling in for Tom this week. We're recording this
in our studios, the Gun Talk Studios. So go check
it out. Go look us up online if they'll let
you find us YouTube, Facebook, x Instagram. I don't know.
We're not on substack yet.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
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We're not on Pinterest. Yeah, like your Spotify might find
us on Pinterest, you might, Yeah, you will. So when
we went to the break, Chris, we were talking about
essential pistol skills and we run this one day class
that's kind of a basics class. But what are those
essential skills that we're trying to get people to learn
(32:40):
so they can progress to the next step.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Well, safety is never number one. But when we talk
about safety, we talk about muscles and trigger fingers. And
it's very funny because I went to another major training
academy and all they cared about was muscles and trigger fingers.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And when you say safety is not number one, people's
ears perk up because they go whoa, whoao, What do
you mean by that? Are they saying that safety is
not important?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah? If safety was ever first, we probably wouldn't have
driven into work, Todavid, I don't know about you, because
the road I travel is a windy, snaky country road
that is a fifty five mile an hour speed limit,
and the only thing separating me between the other car
and my car is a painted yellow line. So if
safety was first, I wouldn't drive.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's a weird concept for people to say, well, yes,
we are doing things safely, and we're running a safe range,
and we're educating people about safety. But I guess what,
Chris is what you mean is there are places that
take the safety first thing literal. Whereas you're not allowed
(33:46):
to load a gun, you're not allowed to do anything
with the gun. Because the emphasis is on safety. It
doesn't mean we're not emphasizing safety. I struggle with how
the same struggle with trying to describe it to be safe.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
This gun is an unloaded gun, right and honestly, since
we have to treat all firearms as if they were
loaded until proven otherwise, the safest thing to do is
just not be around guns, right.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So everybody go, I have not just doing that. Let's
say you talk, guns are super dangerous, never touch them,
never load them, never shoot them, and thank you for
coming to my ted talk. Yeah, it's just like what
getting to the affilta.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, essential skills, safety muscles, and trigger fingers because we
wanted to think about it in that fashion. Okay, because
as long as my trigger finger stays out of that
trigger guard, there's a good thing. And as long as
my gun's pointed in a safe direction, like the finger
does get in there, but probably gonna be okay, kind
of like your shotgun story, you know. All right, So
then we talk about handling safety. Can they pick it
(34:48):
up because everybody wants to put I mean, you get
in a car, where's your gas foot go? It's to
the gas pedal, right, right, because I have to break
well one or the other, right, I mean it's kind
of like that that that triggers the pedal where your
finger goes, and everybody thinks the finger goes there. So
we talk about that. It's a safe safety safe handling
(35:10):
situational awareness, which enhances safety because you just keep your
heads up scanning, watch what's going on around you. Of course,
we have to know how the gun functions. We've got
to be able to lock it to the rear because
there are times that you have to lock it to
the rear you're loading, and Cleary, it's hard. It's hard
to lock it to the rear. It's the semiado, right,
So I just go like this, and if you could
see me right now, I'm pulling the slide into my chest,
(35:33):
pushing the bistol forward, looking inside, and then letting it
go because it's too much after it to actually learn
how to run it. But if you have a malfunction,
a Class three malfunction, a double feed failure to extract,
you have to learn how to lock it to the rear.
These are things that are important. And then of course
knowing how to prep a magazine. How can we get
bullets in the magazine? Because today we've got all these
(35:54):
extra loading aids and nobody really knows how to load
a magazine, to prepare the magazine for use.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So we'd like you to be able to show up
and know how to load. And when you come to
beyond the essential pistol skills, you go to a two
or three day class, or you go to gun site,
you go to sig Academy, or you go to anybody's
like multi day class. They would like you to know
a certain level right loading the gun, unloading the gun,
(36:25):
walking this line.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Rear unloading using your holster. Then most people don't draw
from holsters because they can't They're not allowed to do
it on ranges. So it's like going to I want
to I'm going to join your band, and we're taking auditions,
and I show up with my guitar and I don't
even know how to turn it on right or plug
it in to the speaker, or which jack to do use,
(36:48):
or which knob to turn up to make the sound
come up or adjust it like you know how to
use your gear. Oh, I own a guitar. I'd like
to be in your band.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
How many times have we had I've seen it in
you'll carry classes. We've seen some stuff around here in
other places. I mean, the gun is in the box.
The gun is still in the It doesn't look like
it's ever come out of the box of In fact,
when they open the box, the gun's still in plastic.
And it's like, well, I thought you guys were going
to teach me all this stuff. We will. We will
teach you what we have to teach you. We want
(37:19):
everybody to learn and have a good experience. But boy,
we can get further down the road if you actually
have sort of a base knowledge.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, you have to have the essential skills. You know,
grip sites and trigger. Do you understand it? How to
hold the gun, how to press the trigger? You know,
if we can get you there, because then I tell
you what everybody that's come to our basic or essential
skills classes and then kJ will second this.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
You know this.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I mean they've all said, man am i glad I
went to the one day class. Yes, man am i
glad I went to the one day class because it
sets you up for success for the next class, because
otherwise you're the guy that's wasting everybody else's money because
we can't we can't spend enough time with you to
(38:03):
get you on track, while everybody else just stands there.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Everyone else knows how guns work. You're the one that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yep. I mean, I'm sorry to say that stuff and
it's sad, but the problem is people just don't know
what they don't know. Yeah, yeah, don't know what they
don't know. And again the ego thing, the egos everybody
wants to admit to not knowing.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, what do we have on the gun talk radio
for thirty years. People call and say which gun should
I buy? And it's like, which gun should I buy?
What's it for? What's for self defense? Usually conceal carry
self defense, And you're asking the wrong question. And at
this point there's a lot of good guns out there,
but you're gonna have to commit to actually learning how
to shoot the gun. And that's something that people have
(38:45):
to commit to and learn a little bit because it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
In the home concealed carry. I don't know what kind
of gun you want. You may want a shotgun at home.
You may want a pistol for concealed carry.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
These are all things that we talk about on all
of our shows on gun to We will be you
right back, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
To gun Talk in the home streatch here, and we
had these questions that we threw out at the beginning
of the show, most underrated cartridge, how many guns? And
how much AMO equal and arsenal? And then what discontinued
gun do you wish they would bring back into production? Guys,
we had over three thousand comments on the gun Talk
(39:32):
Facebook page here with questions and uh, I'm kind of curious,
Chris do you have a discontinued gun. Do they wish
you wish they'd bring back?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
So we have three questions, right, yeah, caliber, I said
twenty two Yes, the arsenal pleatea.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Would you say your head up?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I would say I have a pleatea, not an arsenal.
And then my third one for the gun that I
loved that I would love to see come back, is
the Ruger forty four car being pre before that, it
was the deer Slayer. I had here two of them.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
One I could never get to work, right, one I
actually killed deer with. And that forty four magnum out
of a ten twenty two body. Yeah, yep, is one
of the coolest things Chris Bridges forty four Ruger.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
But with the box mag the car being I can't
remember what it's called.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
I left the tube bag. I like the tube mag
They did make it. They did do something with a
box magnet before they made the Mini fourteen. A lot
of people had that same sentiment.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
Though I saw a lot.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I had two of those. I lost them well, I
sold them both during a divorce for money.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You know those guns that you sil and you've fresh
and I sold that, well, have that, Ruger, here's one
I didn't see, Rod says Ruger, ten twenty two magnum.
I saw that.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Then I was like, I don't know that mag I've
never seen a ten to twenty two magnum.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I need to hear about that.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I need to get educated on that, because that does
that short me that.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
I mean, hey, Ruger, if you're listening, I wouldn't be
opposed to bringing.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
That back if it was the thing, that would be cool.
You have to have a longer magazine, rotary magazine.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Well, I have the.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Rotary magazine for the twenty two stainless all Weather that
I have the bull cunt. I'm seventy seven, so they
make the magazine.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
So why couldn't they do it?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Come on, all right, Ruger, come on, come on, you
got this, Ruger, I.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Got I got to start a petition.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
I'm making a trip to gunbroker dot com after this show.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's a funny thing, like people are saying the Savage
Model ninety nine, Oh yeah, you can go buy one, guys.
I mean you could say, I wish, but bring it
back would make it brand new. But then when they
bring it back and it's redesigned, that it's Sarah. Could
they'll be bad about it?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah, yes, it's never going to be like that classic.
Just like I'm thinking about that forty four company, I'm
better off spending the two thousand dollars for a brand
new in the box nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
Dear.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
So if you want a Ruger number one or the
Ruger forty four, Magnum self loading car being or Han
Solo's Mauser, probably not gonna happen. Now you can go
on guns dot com, you can go on gun broker.
You can find these things. Finding used guns and buying
them is a brillion.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yes, it's so.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
Easy to do nowadays.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Used to you, you'd either hear about it from a
guy down the street who's wanting to pawn one off
and you just happen to end up with it, or
you're at a pawn shop just by happenstance and like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
And what's crazy is it could be a fifty or
sixty year old gun, and if it's been taken care of,
it's fine. You can go out and shoot it. It's
not it's not an antique.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I shoot all mine. Yeah, gun broker has been my
friend and my enemy.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah, they send you Christmas cards. Yeah, just does gunbrokers
send you a Christmas card? Then you might have a problem. Yes, yeah,
uh these are just you know, this is stuff we do.
We're always talking about on all the gun Talk channels.
So go follow us, go subscribe, go follow, go ring
the bell, go check us out. It's been fun sitting
in for Tom this week, and he'll be back next week,
(43:19):
god willing, and he'll probably have a bunch of new
elk meat in your freezer. I think moos moose meat,
elk me. He's on. He's on a mission to you know,
cure Idaho of all its critters. So thanks for listening.
It's been fun. We will see you guys next time
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