March 16, 2025 • 29 mins
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-- A reminder that retired police officers can carry under federal law.
-- Upgrade to tripple ought buckshot for bear defense.
-- Why is there a lever action rifle in .300 Blackout with a silencer?
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-- A reminder that retired police officers can carry under federal law.
-- Upgrade to tripple ought buckshot for bear defense.
-- Why is there a lever action rifle in .300 Blackout with a silencer?
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Now, here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
After Show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's time for the after show because we've already done
the other show and we welcome you back into this foolishness. Here.
We got that Jim Kinsey over there. We have not Michelle,
mister Tom Hinnick with us today.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hello there, Hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So do you still get the calls? People call it
and go wait, you're not Michelle?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Of course, of course all the.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Time, Michelle is taking a little well deserved time off
and we appreciate her and go have some fun out.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
You don't have to work all the time with us.
Oh oh, it's kind of fine. You want to call
it work. Sure, here we call it work exactly. Let's
do this begat I. Now we've got a couple of
people on hold. We don't want them to hang on
too much longer. So let's go grab Todd right now
on line one out of Medford, Oregon. Hey Todd, you've
made it to the after show, sir, nice to talk
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to you.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
I whispurred to call because you had a previous caller
who had been a peace officer for twenty years, and
he talked about getting his CCW. And I just wanted
to give a reminder to current and long since retired
peace officers that President Bush in the aftermath of nine
to eleven signed federal legislation that if you've been a
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peace officer for more than ten years, you can get
a concealed carry permit that's good throughout the entire country.
And there's not really a good reason not to take
advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
HR two to eighteen Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act of
two thousand and four.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah, so he'd mentioned a CCW. I hope he just
didn't limit that you have to go back to your
home state. There are some hoops you do have to
jump through, but you know, I think any cop would
understand the reasoning behind them. Also, in your commercial bumpers
you have you mentioned put gear on roll around in
the dirt and see what falls out. And that reminded
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me of our officers quite often on their support side
would put a sheathed dirk or dagger on their boot
on the support side. That way, if they bound themselves
in a ground fight, even though we had triple retention holsters,
really good holsters. If you're using your strong hand to
fend off the person or tie up their hands or
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hold onto their weapon, you can if even if you're
on your back, you can come up with your support
side and stick them. And I know it's not a
pleasant thing to think about, but if it's life or death,
it's you want to prevail on it well.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And you know this.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know they teach you at the academy. If somebody's
trying to get the pistol away from the officer, the
intention is to shoot the officer. If they get your
gun out, there's almost one hundred percent chance they're going
to shoot.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You with it lethal intent.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yep, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
And also, I mean this is kind of off. We
started with Smith and Wesson forty oh sixes and we
never used the d cocker in the engaged position. It
was already always ready to shoot. But some departments would
put it would train with it in the engaged position,
so as you drew, you trained to engage, engage the
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or disengage the safety d cocker. That way you could shoot.
And there were some cases where officers had been disarmed
and the assailant was pulling the trigger didn't know that
and had air trigger. So it did save some people's.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Way Jessica both ways.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be the officer can't get
the decocker flipped off to fire it. The whole idea
is that to shoot a double action single action. But yeah,
actually I know people who train and say that police
officers to train if they have a pistol with a
magazine disconnect, if they get into a fight and somebody's
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about to take their gun away, push the magazine release
and drop magazine out, and if the bad guy gets
the gun, he can't shoot you with it.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Ah, well, ours had the disconnect and I never trained
to drop my magazine.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's just maybe one of those that's more from
armchair cops than real cops. Somebody said, well what about this,
you know how it is? They go, well, we could
do this or what about this? They go yeah, yeah,
but they can't do that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
If they don't get the gun, then he can't shoot
it either.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
The double action single actions are now coming back into
favor because now they're thinking, well, maybe we don't want
a five pound trigger pull on that first shot. Maybe
we want a little bit longer and hit heavier one,
just so they really meant to use the gun when
they had their finger on the trigger.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, Todd, like I had another question, is part of
that because cops keep shooting themselves with their Striker fired guns.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I was a firearms instructor and there were some challenging
people at the range, and.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I love that very diplomatic.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
I'm not going to put too fine a point on it.
But I was on vacation and my phone was blowing
up people saying, what the hell happened at your range?
And I said, I don't know, I'm in another state.
And one of my officers nicked himself. He was in
the low kneeling position and was trying to reholster with
his finger inside the trigger guard. And you can guess
what happened. And and you know what, I had worn
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that guy a million times, and the superior officers would
not let me write him up, So I really have
any other officers out there? He almost blew his leg off.
Luckily it was just a nick. But if any other
officers are out there, do not, you know, take responsibility.
Do not be intimidated it. I mean, obviously, if people
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can control your life, on what shift you work and
all of these things, there's the temptation just to back down.
But never back down. It could save somebody's life.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well, what's a better turn right up or a hole
in the leg.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Or no leg or bleeding out your femoral artery. Yeah, no,
it's you know, that's that old deal of Okay. It's
like I once told a guy at the range. I
forgot I was wearing the wireless mic or shooting TV.
And I walked over to him and I very quietly
in his ear, I said, if you point that gun
at me one more time, I'm going to punch you
in the effing throat. And he never did again.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I was teaching an academy and we told the guys
on the line, when we're forward of the line we're
checking targets.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You do not speak.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
And I'm forward checking a target. And I never really
raised my voice and I hear one excited cadet saying
to another yeah, and when he said threat and that's
the cueue to shoot. I you the decibel meter from
my mouth was off the chart, up in his face.
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You know, my life was on the line.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So sure.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Then all the other instructors came running over.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Cush.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I've never heard you raise your voice before.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
What was going on?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So safety and I'm the same way. It's like you
get one time, you don't get a pass because you're
gonna get spoken to the first time. If there's a
second time, you are leaving the range right now.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
They got the message.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Good, yeah, good, that's the point.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm I really impressed, Todd. You know what a bumper
music is. That's very good.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I really enjoy the show. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Thanks DoD, appreciate that. Actually we should explain what one
of the things that Todd was hearing is that during
some of our commercial breaks, we're playing spots that you
don't get to hear and they're kind of fillers for
our stations. And we have one where I'm talking about
I said, you know, if you know, get down to
the ground and roll all around on the ground, back
and forth and then get up and all the gear
that you see laying on the ground is stuff that
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you're not going to have on a fight because you didn't.
You weren't carrying it. Well, it's in you in a
sloppy holster or a mag pouch or whatever. It's just
it's a thing. But that's what he was here. Hey,
let's do this. Let's grab Tom before we have to
go to our break, because I don't want him to
have to hold too long. And Fargo, North Dakota. Tom,
talk to me about bear guns because everybody wants to
talk about bear guns.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Just real quick, thank you for the thirty years. I've
learned so much on your show. That wasn't why I
called in. And I'm not gonna I don't subscribe to podcasts,
but yours is going to be the first one in
a few days. I'm serious, all right, I've learned so
much off your show. Anyway, I used to live in
norther of Minnesota, and for black bears, I used to
use a Model twelve Winchester Model twelve twelve gauge with
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triple hot buck. Now I'm not saying long distance and
it would hurt the next day, but at about twenty
or twenty five feet it will stop them.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Did you ever have an occasion you have to shoot
a bear?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Yes, and that was actually farther away it was. It
was quite a bit farther away, and it was a
yearling and that was about oh, I suppose that was
about twenty five about twenty five thirty yards and that
killed it right there. But I'll tell you that does
hurt your shoulder the next day. If you have to
shoot more.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Than once, well, yeah, but do you care?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
No bear done? Yeah, bear done, big hole.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Shoot shovel and shut up baby.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
That's d I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, exactly right, but not pulltent enough for brown bear? Huh, Tom,
Jerry gonna get You're not gonna get.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're not gonna get enough penetration. Usually with buckshot on
a brown Look, a big BlackBerry is in the four
hundred five pound range, that'd be a big black bear,
and a big brown bear is twelve hundred pounds. Did
you figure that out?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, slug I was thinking more slug than shot, but questionable.
It sounds like.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Slug is gonna get you more penetration. Buckshot would be iffy,
but I'm right there with Tom on Buckshot. Especially. You
noticed he said triple off, not double lot. You're talking
about a bigger pellet with deeper penetration, right Tom.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Yes, absolutely right, yes, and that I've used double and
I'm not the same I've used on other things. I
thought I'm moving up. Yes, however you want to look
at it. Yeah. Also, as for a large black bear
is spring of fourteen. I saw one, I kid you not.
I thought when I looked out the upstairs redow, I
thought I saw a BW bug.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I love I love the image. N Yeah, thanks to much.
Oh you bet, thank you for the call. We appreciate that. Okay,
so now we're talking about furry volkswagens. I like this,
oh gosh. But yeah, a triple off back you're going
with much larger pellets, a little bit better penetration. Yeah.
(11:27):
I would say he's probably right. Twenty five thirty yards
it'd be the max. And reality is, in most situations
that's farther than you need to be shooting a bear.
But I can sure see there would be circumstances where
you go, okay, we're gonna put a stop to this
right now. Whatever's going on they're walking around camp or
he's won't leave, and you know we're gonna we're gonna
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do something about it. And I understand people say, well,
you can't be violating the game loss. Yeah, well the
shoot shovel and shut up doctor and still applies occasionally.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, well, your life more important, even jail time or
a fine or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I would agree, there's all of that, all right. So
during the break, you guys, everybody goes look up the
stire og take a look at that. There's one space
age looking gun. But actually been around for a long time.
I haven't thought about him for quite a while, and
yet our caller got me thinking about him. Man, that
would be cool to have her gun.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Look at that any I tried to blue. Of course,
they didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Put all your gear on the chiciry and then roll
around on the ground. Now, get up all your gear
that's on the ground. That's what you're not going to
have in a fight.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
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Speaker 1 (12:47):
What's it like to be blown up?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
You know, if it's like C four, it's almost like
a smack hunting. Yeah, we talk about that too on
your Crosshairs. I like a thin crosshair.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
A you're really dating yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I call it things crosshairs, euretical whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Have some fun and stay informed with the gun Talk podcast.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think, as I'm looking now, I'm on the boy
page for stire og right. Of course, I think failure
are ambidexterous too. It's a bullpup design, a short rig.
They're cool looking. They'd look like something like the Stormtroopers
would use, you know, the Star Wars stormtrooper kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Guys, explain the bullpup design to the listener that might
not know what that is.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Bullpup design is a very short rifle. The action is
actually back almost part of the stock, pretty close to
in in front of your face and rather than being
further out. I mean, it's one of those it's a
lot easier to look up bullpup or look up the
stire ste y R sire ogg Aug and you look like, okay.
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The Imi Travoor is another bullpup design. The only thing
is if you shoot left handed, you got to make
sure it can switch over to an ejection the other
way or the otherwise it's going to be ejecting hot
brass into your cheek. Oh, because it's right there on
the stock.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, and it's weird because the magazine is between your
shoulder and your hand as opposed in front of you
like on an ar.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right. Yeah, but talk about handy and I had completely
forgotten that these have interchangeable barrels. You can pop it off,
makes it very packable, throw it in the backpack or
a briefcase or whatever if you need to go into
a what do they call it a non permissive environment somewhere?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So what caliber? Now? I mean, I know they make
it in severable. What would you lean to I'd lose
use nine for the sake of getting a lot of
rounds off.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But well except as you can mean, they've got them
that use armgs for two three, so you could have
thirty rounds in that mag so there's not a lot
you can't solve problems you get solved with thirty rounds
of two, two three or five five six in a
civilian environment. Your combat's a different deal.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Right, and if you need more than thirty. That's why
al Gore designed one hundred round drums. It wasn' him,
I think, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Probably along with the internet. Yeah's exactly along with that
as well, so you know, it never fails. Somebody brings
up bear guns and the phones light up, right.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's if you need a topic, just throw
that out or nine versus forty five.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, but I swear bears are even better than that.
It's like everybody's got an idea of what they want
for a bear gun, and everybody wants a bear gun.
I'll say that you could live in South Beach in
Miami and you still want a bear gun.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I wonder how many people shoot bear that don't need to.
They just see it and go, oh my god, a bear,
it's gonna kill me. No, he's forty yards away and
he's been looking at you or he saw you, and
he doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, it definitely happens a panic. I get spooked. It's
you know, you want to say, it's not quite the case,
but it's almost the case of if you're not in
a position to put powder burns on him, he's probably
further away than you need to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Shoot at right, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now, at the same time, if he's popping his jaws
and snarling at you and walking slowly towards you, and
you're going, hey bear, hey bear, any won't stop, and
there's a certain point you're going, okay, I am no,
I'm not letting him get to hair stringing distances. We're
going to smoke him out there. And the other part
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of it is, it's just like with people. Warning shots
are not a good idea. If it's enough justification to
make the shot, and make the shot, it's probably if
you're going to be anywhere in bear country a good
idea to know what the regulations are there. Chances are
if you shoot a bear, you are required to call
Fishing Game and report it. Then they'll come out and
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do an investigation on it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So you don't use the tactic sick good boy.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, I say that right after I go bank ba
ba bank.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Sat there down.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
No look at that. So there's all of that. Yeah, okay,
but you know if you look, if you can, and
a lot of times you can, you can yell at
them and they will stop. Oh gosh, I just remembered
that crazy story about the cop. I think I may
have told a story about the cop that shot the
bear with the taser. Oh no, I was at Smith
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and Wesson years ago, and this guy who was working
there was a cop in the area and in they're Massachusetts,
but he worked somewhere north of that, and uh that
bears in the area, and at his house, he's kind
of lived out in the woods. He came out one
day and there was a bear by his cruiser and
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then it ran up the tree right above the cruiser
and he's looking at him, going shoot, man. I can't
just like leave because I got other people in the area.
I like this bear to go away, and I can't
leave him up there. But I'm also not gonna shoot
him justified. Okay, So what I do? I have a taser,
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right smart? I mean, I'm thinking I'm going right along
with him. Go yeah, makes sense. I like where you're
going with this nonsense? Non lethal for who non lethal?
So he does the applies a dose of as steve
in and puts it Edison medicine. Is it hilarious? He's
(18:39):
just so funny. He smokes this thing with a taser,
and this bear takes the biggest dump all over his cruisers.
I mean, Joe evacuates everything.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I did that one coming.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So bear takes off. He is Now I got to
spend the next twenty minutes getting the garden hose out
and cleaning off my crew before I can go to work.
I never saw that coming. Well, yeah, neither did the bear.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh man, I thought, you know, there's stuff out there
you just can't make up. You have to if somebody
had to go experience that one.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Did you see that videos on Steve Enman's channel.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh, the Bear and the Pig.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The bear?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, oh you mentioned his name name?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, the He's got a video of a bear climbing
a fence and getting into a pen with a great,
big hog. It's worth watching because, in typical fashion, it
doesn't turn out well for the attacker. Big hogs are
nothing to mess with. It is pretty it's pretty funny deal,
and of course Edman does a great job of calling
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it like some kind of a fight. We're complete with
the fight bell, you know, the whole deal. He's got
all these sound effects he throws in. It's look, it
is juvenile on the level of three Stooges movies. And
that's why guys love this, because we're just that juvenile.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Just what's your point?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Ye oh goodness, gracious?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Okay, So gun of the Week, My gun of the week,
Jim's gun for the Week. I saw Henry three hundred
blackout lever action with a suppressor like a kind of
ugly but how cool.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, and you know what that's really all about is
having a fixed breach. It doesn't open like.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
A black whiter thanto.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, super quiet. It's because with semiato the
action opens and you get some sound coming out there
with the gas and everything. But with a fixed breach,
like uh, a lever action, all everything's got to go
out through the suppressor, and man, are those things quiet.
It's unbelievable that it's a specialized tool, but that would
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be pretty cool. Cool.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, I just you know, I could see two two
three or some I just never thought about it.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And you know, you carrying a blackout and you use.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
A sub sonic so exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, and you got a good hundred yard rig there.
A lot of people use that kind of stuff for
hunting hogs at night because I put a thermal on
there and then they can slip in and they're making
very little noise because a lot of times you get
hogs and a whole bunch of them, you know, in
one herd, and they'll just start shooting them one after another,
smoking them, and that hogs don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, I love lovers, but I think if I
was hog hunting, i'd still want semi auto. Yeah, it's
nothing else for capacity, I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Right, yeah, no, that's not a bad thought.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh, speaking of suppressors, and you just explained to the
laymen why suppressors don't work as well on the semi
auto as they do on a fixed breachy. Does anybody
make or is there even any purpose behind a revolver
suppressor because they've got all the cylinder grab noise. Yeah,
it doesn't quiet down all.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yes, and yes it does quite unconsiderably. Really, you're still
gonna have more noise because you got the cylinder gap,
cingular barrel gap gases coming out there, so it's gonna
be louder. But yes, it's going to quiet it down some,
not as much as a semi auto. Right, but you know, look,
because things don't work has never stopped people from making
(22:22):
them and selling them right and by them.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But I see them on TV all the time and
they just go But.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Don Johnson had ah, that's right, that's right, And so
you know, suppressors are cool with here's a question, have
you ever seen a good guy use a suppressor in
a movie.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, I don't know, no any only bad guys do.
That's why they public generally has a negative impression of suppressors.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yet overseas it's real common. Everybody, yeah, shoots a suppress.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, I think I may have told you that we
had a guy come to one of our video shoots.
I do remember who he was with. I'm not gonna say, uh,
but he brought a couple of suppressures with him and
checking them in the airline. Because you have to actually,
weirdly enough, they are classified as firearms, you have to
declare them. He declared these and shows the ticket gate
(23:18):
agent whatever, uh you know what are So? That's a silencers,
he said, he said. She looked at him and said,
are you an assassin? Here's my business card?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
You know Bill Jones Killer?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Bill Jones killer? Killer's like what he really did, though,
you get weird stuff. One time I had a ticket
gate agent asked me what was inside the hallow point bullets?
What's in that cavity in there? And I realized, okay,
(23:58):
this conversation could only go downhill, right right, And I
just said, can you get a police officer over here now?
So what yes, And she called an officer over. He
looks at it and talked to her and looked at her,
and she said, but what's in down there? He said,
let the man get on the airplane.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
What's funny you said that? They you know, it's considered
a firearm when you check it into airlines, et cetera.
Yet the anti gun folks says, oh, that's not protected
by the second I mean, so well, which is it?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, even worse than that, the Fifth Circuit, which surprises me,
which is usually pretty good on guns, just rule that
suppressures are not arms under the Second Amendment. Right, we're
gonna have to appeal that one. So yes, kind of point.
Under n f A National Farms Act, they are classified
as firearms, and yet the court saying they're not arms
(24:50):
under the Second Amendment. So once again we get this conflict.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
We got to figure out yep, kind of my point.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Ye, yeah, no, exactly what I have it both ways,
So stire og, I wonder if probably have those on
gun Broker. So we talked about a lot of fun
different kind of guns. I was glad we got Jason
on today. Talked about the Smith Western Mountain Gun, the
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return of those, because that's a very cool revolver re
kept please. Yeah, it's basically they used to make them.
It's a in his case, they're making the three fifty
seven and a forty four magnum four inch barrel revolvers
double action revolvers, but they have a trim down barrel.
They don't have the full lug underlog under the barrel
(25:41):
produces the weight affair amount, and just there are a
number of different features on it that make it just cool.
And now some of them you kind of got to
be a revolver geek to appreciate. But it's got really
good sights on it, and it's tuned up, it's got
really good grips on it, and it's just very nice people.
So people are really excited about the return of the
Mountain Gun from Smith and Weston.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I was. I was checking out a beat. I
was kind of weird with it out the Usually the
other manufacturers have done this, but I know that Smith's
didn't include any magazines with it at all.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah you're that weird. Yep. Yeah, to supply your own
magazines for your revolver.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm gonna get a gun broker, so you if I can
get some used mags for this revolver right now.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And what you want to do is go into a
gun store and ask for magazines for your revolver.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And just wait, sure, somebody holding up the phone video taping.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, somebody's got a video to sure, right, shoot some
video of this, would you please?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's like the common wrenching thing we do. And send
a rookie to an autoparts store for breaks for an
eighty three Corvette. That's the one year that never manufactured
the corvette.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Oh is that right?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, so you'd send them in there. You know,
I need break shoes and for the rear, I need
some front desks for an eighty three Chevy Corvette. And
the parts guy who's twenty one years old doesn't know
they never made one either. He's looking. I can't find it.
It jumps from eighty one to eight.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, yeah, we would always get the student pilots and
send them to go in and get a bucket a
prop wash. Yeah. Well, you know, we all have our thing.
I'm sure that every you know, special interest of whatever
it is, has those kinds of things. They did.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Sure, go get a bucket of our pms. We're running
a little Look how little the RPMs are We need more?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
There you go, horse, I'm hearing something. Hold on here,
oh I know what there is that snow pile? Okay
yeah yeah, we got like forty seven feet of snow
came in last night around here.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
It sounds like a helicopter on our end.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's actually Monique out there in her
tractor blowing our snow off of our driveway right now.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Monich's are one of our shooting buddies. So she actually
went down to range Ready Studios with us for a class. Yeah,
last year. So there you go running her. She's running
her John Deere tractor with big snowblower on it, taking
care of everything for it, so she doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Have more more in the winter than she does in
the summer. Right here.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, you know they still charging the summer. But you
know it's okay, what a gal. It's a profit thing.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Oh good, call back to the jerk.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Huh the jerk?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
What a fun movie, right, it's a profit that And
like Blazing Saddles, always some really cool movies you can
never make today.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, this is true. You could not, although maybe it's
coming back. We'll get some common sense coming back along
some other things.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There you go. All right, so you got you guys,
have a wonderful week. Next week, I will be down
at range ready studios will be doing the show from there.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Rub it in Gresham Ready, it's right, we're gonna go
shoot stuff, man, Lucky double what.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I like to go through the prop room called the
proper room and find out what kind of new props
have come in that I can go shoot because they
always have stuff there. There's always fun.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, check this out.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah right yeah, And while they're working, I just take
everything and go out to the range and shoot it
because it's like one hundred yards from the studio.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Love it, gotta love it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
That we can't say on regular radio.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Now, here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
After Show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's time for the after show because we've already done
the other show and we welcome you back into this foolishness. Here.
We got that Jim Kinsey over there. We have not Michelle,
mister Tom Hinnick with us today.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hello there, Hey, hey.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So do you still get the calls? People call it
and go wait, you're not Michelle?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Of course, of course all the.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Time, Michelle is taking a little well deserved time off
and we appreciate her and go have some fun out.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
You don't have to work all the time with us.
Oh oh, it's kind of fine. You want to call
it work. Sure, here we call it work exactly. Let's
do this begat I. Now we've got a couple of
people on hold. We don't want them to hang on
too much longer. So let's go grab Todd right now
on line one out of Medford, Oregon. Hey Todd, you've
made it to the after show, sir, nice to talk
(01:21):
to you.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
I whispurred to call because you had a previous caller
who had been a peace officer for twenty years, and
he talked about getting his CCW. And I just wanted
to give a reminder to current and long since retired
peace officers that President Bush in the aftermath of nine
to eleven signed federal legislation that if you've been a
(01:42):
peace officer for more than ten years, you can get
a concealed carry permit that's good throughout the entire country.
And there's not really a good reason not to take
advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
HR two to eighteen Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act of
two thousand and four.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah, so he'd mentioned a CCW. I hope he just
didn't limit that you have to go back to your
home state. There are some hoops you do have to
jump through, but you know, I think any cop would
understand the reasoning behind them. Also, in your commercial bumpers
you have you mentioned put gear on roll around in
the dirt and see what falls out. And that reminded
(02:20):
me of our officers quite often on their support side
would put a sheathed dirk or dagger on their boot
on the support side. That way, if they bound themselves
in a ground fight, even though we had triple retention holsters,
really good holsters. If you're using your strong hand to
fend off the person or tie up their hands or
(02:43):
hold onto their weapon, you can if even if you're
on your back, you can come up with your support
side and stick them. And I know it's not a
pleasant thing to think about, but if it's life or death,
it's you want to prevail on it well.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And you know this.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know they teach you at the academy. If somebody's
trying to get the pistol away from the officer, the
intention is to shoot the officer. If they get your
gun out, there's almost one hundred percent chance they're going
to shoot.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You with it lethal intent.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yep, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
And also, I mean this is kind of off. We
started with Smith and Wesson forty oh sixes and we
never used the d cocker in the engaged position. It
was already always ready to shoot. But some departments would
put it would train with it in the engaged position,
so as you drew, you trained to engage, engage the
(03:35):
or disengage the safety d cocker. That way you could shoot.
And there were some cases where officers had been disarmed
and the assailant was pulling the trigger didn't know that
and had air trigger. So it did save some people's.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Way Jessica both ways.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be the officer can't get
the decocker flipped off to fire it. The whole idea
is that to shoot a double action single action. But yeah,
actually I know people who train and say that police
officers to train if they have a pistol with a
magazine disconnect, if they get into a fight and somebody's
(04:14):
about to take their gun away, push the magazine release
and drop magazine out, and if the bad guy gets
the gun, he can't shoot you with it.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Ah, well, ours had the disconnect and I never trained
to drop my magazine.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's just maybe one of those that's more from
armchair cops than real cops. Somebody said, well what about this,
you know how it is? They go, well, we could
do this or what about this? They go yeah, yeah,
but they can't do that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
If they don't get the gun, then he can't shoot
it either.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
The double action single actions are now coming back into
favor because now they're thinking, well, maybe we don't want
a five pound trigger pull on that first shot. Maybe
we want a little bit longer and hit heavier one,
just so they really meant to use the gun when
they had their finger on the trigger.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, Todd, like I had another question, is part of
that because cops keep shooting themselves with their Striker fired guns.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I was a firearms instructor and there were some challenging
people at the range, and.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I love that very diplomatic.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
I'm not going to put too fine a point on it.
But I was on vacation and my phone was blowing
up people saying, what the hell happened at your range?
And I said, I don't know, I'm in another state.
And one of my officers nicked himself. He was in
the low kneeling position and was trying to reholster with
his finger inside the trigger guard. And you can guess
what happened. And and you know what, I had worn
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that guy a million times, and the superior officers would
not let me write him up, So I really have
any other officers out there? He almost blew his leg off.
Luckily it was just a nick. But if any other
officers are out there, do not, you know, take responsibility.
Do not be intimidated it. I mean, obviously, if people
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can control your life, on what shift you work and
all of these things, there's the temptation just to back down.
But never back down. It could save somebody's life.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well, what's a better turn right up or a hole
in the leg.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Or no leg or bleeding out your femoral artery. Yeah, no,
it's you know, that's that old deal of Okay. It's
like I once told a guy at the range. I
forgot I was wearing the wireless mic or shooting TV.
And I walked over to him and I very quietly
in his ear, I said, if you point that gun
at me one more time, I'm going to punch you
in the effing throat. And he never did again.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I was teaching an academy and we told the guys
on the line, when we're forward of the line we're
checking targets.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You do not speak.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
And I'm forward checking a target. And I never really
raised my voice and I hear one excited cadet saying
to another yeah, and when he said threat and that's
the cueue to shoot. I you the decibel meter from
my mouth was off the chart, up in his face.
(07:22):
You know, my life was on the line.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So sure.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Then all the other instructors came running over.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Cush.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I've never heard you raise your voice before.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
What was going on?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So safety and I'm the same way. It's like you
get one time, you don't get a pass because you're
gonna get spoken to the first time. If there's a
second time, you are leaving the range right now.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
They got the message.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Good, yeah, good, that's the point.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I'm I really impressed, Todd. You know what a bumper
music is. That's very good.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I really enjoy the show. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Thanks DoD, appreciate that. Actually we should explain what one
of the things that Todd was hearing is that during
some of our commercial breaks, we're playing spots that you
don't get to hear and they're kind of fillers for
our stations. And we have one where I'm talking about
I said, you know, if you know, get down to
the ground and roll all around on the ground, back
and forth and then get up and all the gear
that you see laying on the ground is stuff that
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you're not going to have on a fight because you didn't.
You weren't carrying it. Well, it's in you in a
sloppy holster or a mag pouch or whatever. It's just
it's a thing. But that's what he was here. Hey,
let's do this. Let's grab Tom before we have to
go to our break, because I don't want him to
have to hold too long. And Fargo, North Dakota. Tom,
talk to me about bear guns because everybody wants to
talk about bear guns.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Just real quick, thank you for the thirty years. I've
learned so much on your show. That wasn't why I
called in. And I'm not gonna I don't subscribe to podcasts,
but yours is going to be the first one in
a few days. I'm serious, all right, I've learned so
much off your show. Anyway, I used to live in
norther of Minnesota, and for black bears, I used to
use a Model twelve Winchester Model twelve twelve gauge with
(09:06):
triple hot buck. Now I'm not saying long distance and
it would hurt the next day, but at about twenty
or twenty five feet it will stop them.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Did you ever have an occasion you have to shoot
a bear?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Yes, and that was actually farther away it was. It
was quite a bit farther away, and it was a
yearling and that was about oh, I suppose that was
about twenty five about twenty five thirty yards and that
killed it right there. But I'll tell you that does
hurt your shoulder the next day. If you have to
shoot more.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Than once, well, yeah, but do you care?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No?
Speaker 7 (09:41):
No bear done? Yeah, bear done, big hole.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Shoot shovel and shut up baby.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
That's d I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
No, exactly right, but not pulltent enough for brown bear? Huh, Tom,
Jerry gonna get You're not gonna get.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're not gonna get enough penetration. Usually with buckshot on
a brown Look, a big BlackBerry is in the four
hundred five pound range, that'd be a big black bear,
and a big brown bear is twelve hundred pounds. Did
you figure that out?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, slug I was thinking more slug than shot, but questionable.
It sounds like.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Slug is gonna get you more penetration. Buckshot would be iffy,
but I'm right there with Tom on Buckshot. Especially. You
noticed he said triple off, not double lot. You're talking
about a bigger pellet with deeper penetration, right Tom.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Yes, absolutely right, yes, and that I've used double and
I'm not the same I've used on other things. I
thought I'm moving up. Yes, however you want to look
at it. Yeah. Also, as for a large black bear
is spring of fourteen. I saw one, I kid you not.
I thought when I looked out the upstairs redow, I
thought I saw a BW bug.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I love I love the image. N Yeah, thanks to much.
Oh you bet, thank you for the call. We appreciate that. Okay,
so now we're talking about furry volkswagens. I like this,
oh gosh. But yeah, a triple off back you're going
with much larger pellets, a little bit better penetration. Yeah.
(11:27):
I would say he's probably right. Twenty five thirty yards
it'd be the max. And reality is, in most situations
that's farther than you need to be shooting a bear.
But I can sure see there would be circumstances where
you go, okay, we're gonna put a stop to this
right now. Whatever's going on they're walking around camp or
he's won't leave, and you know we're gonna we're gonna
(11:47):
do something about it. And I understand people say, well,
you can't be violating the game loss. Yeah, well the
shoot shovel and shut up doctor and still applies occasionally.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, well, your life more important, even jail time or
a fine or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I would agree, there's all of that, all right. So
during the break, you guys, everybody goes look up the
stire og take a look at that. There's one space
age looking gun. But actually been around for a long time.
I haven't thought about him for quite a while, and
yet our caller got me thinking about him. Man, that
would be cool to have her gun.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Look at that any I tried to blue. Of course,
they didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Put all your gear on the chiciry and then roll
around on the ground. Now, get up all your gear
that's on the ground. That's what you're not going to
have in a fight.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
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Speaker 1 (12:47):
What's it like to be blown up?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
You know, if it's like C four, it's almost like
a smack hunting. Yeah, we talk about that too on
your Crosshairs. I like a thin crosshair.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
A you're really dating yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I call it things crosshairs, euretical whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Have some fun and stay informed with the gun Talk podcast.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think, as I'm looking now, I'm on the boy
page for stire og right. Of course, I think failure
are ambidexterous too. It's a bullpup design, a short rig.
They're cool looking. They'd look like something like the Stormtroopers
would use, you know, the Star Wars stormtrooper kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Guys, explain the bullpup design to the listener that might
not know what that is.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Bullpup design is a very short rifle. The action is
actually back almost part of the stock, pretty close to
in in front of your face and rather than being
further out. I mean, it's one of those it's a
lot easier to look up bullpup or look up the
stire ste y R sire ogg Aug and you look like, okay.
(13:56):
The Imi Travoor is another bullpup design. The only thing
is if you shoot left handed, you got to make
sure it can switch over to an ejection the other
way or the otherwise it's going to be ejecting hot
brass into your cheek. Oh, because it's right there on
the stock.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, and it's weird because the magazine is between your
shoulder and your hand as opposed in front of you
like on an ar.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right. Yeah, but talk about handy and I had completely
forgotten that these have interchangeable barrels. You can pop it off,
makes it very packable, throw it in the backpack or
a briefcase or whatever if you need to go into
a what do they call it a non permissive environment somewhere?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
So what caliber? Now? I mean, I know they make
it in severable. What would you lean to I'd lose
use nine for the sake of getting a lot of
rounds off.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But well except as you can mean, they've got them
that use armgs for two three, so you could have
thirty rounds in that mag so there's not a lot
you can't solve problems you get solved with thirty rounds
of two, two three or five five six in a
civilian environment. Your combat's a different deal.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Right, and if you need more than thirty. That's why
al Gore designed one hundred round drums. It wasn' him,
I think, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Probably along with the internet. Yeah's exactly along with that
as well, so you know, it never fails. Somebody brings
up bear guns and the phones light up, right.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's if you need a topic, just throw
that out or nine versus forty five.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, but I swear bears are even better than that.
It's like everybody's got an idea of what they want
for a bear gun, and everybody wants a bear gun.
I'll say that you could live in South Beach in
Miami and you still want a bear gun.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I wonder how many people shoot bear that don't need to.
They just see it and go, oh my god, a bear,
it's gonna kill me. No, he's forty yards away and
he's been looking at you or he saw you, and
he doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, it definitely happens a panic. I get spooked. It's
you know, you want to say, it's not quite the case,
but it's almost the case of if you're not in
a position to put powder burns on him, he's probably
further away than you need to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Shoot at right, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now, at the same time, if he's popping his jaws
and snarling at you and walking slowly towards you, and
you're going, hey bear, hey bear, any won't stop, and
there's a certain point you're going, okay, I am no,
I'm not letting him get to hair stringing distances. We're
going to smoke him out there. And the other part
(16:36):
of it is, it's just like with people. Warning shots
are not a good idea. If it's enough justification to
make the shot, and make the shot, it's probably if
you're going to be anywhere in bear country a good
idea to know what the regulations are there. Chances are
if you shoot a bear, you are required to call
Fishing Game and report it. Then they'll come out and
(16:56):
do an investigation on it.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So you don't use the tactic sick good boy.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yes, I say that right after I go bank ba
ba bank.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Sat there down.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
No look at that. So there's all of that. Yeah, okay,
but you know if you look, if you can, and
a lot of times you can, you can yell at
them and they will stop. Oh gosh, I just remembered
that crazy story about the cop. I think I may
have told a story about the cop that shot the
bear with the taser. Oh no, I was at Smith
(17:33):
and Wesson years ago, and this guy who was working
there was a cop in the area and in they're Massachusetts,
but he worked somewhere north of that, and uh that
bears in the area, and at his house, he's kind
of lived out in the woods. He came out one
day and there was a bear by his cruiser and
(17:54):
then it ran up the tree right above the cruiser
and he's looking at him, going shoot, man. I can't
just like leave because I got other people in the area.
I like this bear to go away, and I can't
leave him up there. But I'm also not gonna shoot
him justified. Okay, So what I do? I have a taser,
(18:17):
right smart? I mean, I'm thinking I'm going right along
with him. Go yeah, makes sense. I like where you're
going with this nonsense? Non lethal for who non lethal?
So he does the applies a dose of as steve
in and puts it Edison medicine. Is it hilarious? He's
(18:39):
just so funny. He smokes this thing with a taser,
and this bear takes the biggest dump all over his cruisers.
I mean, Joe evacuates everything.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I did that one coming.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So bear takes off. He is Now I got to
spend the next twenty minutes getting the garden hose out
and cleaning off my crew before I can go to work.
I never saw that coming. Well, yeah, neither did the bear.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh man, I thought, you know, there's stuff out there
you just can't make up. You have to if somebody
had to go experience that one.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Did you see that videos on Steve Enman's channel.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh, the Bear and the Pig.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
The bear?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, oh you mentioned his name name?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, the He's got a video of a bear climbing
a fence and getting into a pen with a great,
big hog. It's worth watching because, in typical fashion, it
doesn't turn out well for the attacker. Big hogs are
nothing to mess with. It is pretty it's pretty funny deal,
and of course Edman does a great job of calling
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it like some kind of a fight. We're complete with
the fight bell, you know, the whole deal. He's got
all these sound effects he throws in. It's look, it
is juvenile on the level of three Stooges movies. And
that's why guys love this, because we're just that juvenile.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Just what's your point?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Ye oh goodness, gracious?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Okay, So gun of the Week, My gun of the week,
Jim's gun for the Week. I saw Henry three hundred
blackout lever action with a suppressor like a kind of
ugly but how cool.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, and you know what that's really all about is
having a fixed breach. It doesn't open like.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
A black whiter thanto.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, super quiet. It's because with semiato the
action opens and you get some sound coming out there
with the gas and everything. But with a fixed breach,
like uh, a lever action, all everything's got to go
out through the suppressor, and man, are those things quiet.
It's unbelievable that it's a specialized tool, but that would
(20:59):
be pretty cool. Cool.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, I just you know, I could see two two
three or some I just never thought about it.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
And you know, you carrying a blackout and you use.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
A sub sonic so exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, and you got a good hundred yard rig there.
A lot of people use that kind of stuff for
hunting hogs at night because I put a thermal on
there and then they can slip in and they're making
very little noise because a lot of times you get
hogs and a whole bunch of them, you know, in
one herd, and they'll just start shooting them one after another,
smoking them, and that hogs don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, yeah, I love lovers, but I think if I
was hog hunting, i'd still want semi auto. Yeah, it's
nothing else for capacity, I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Right, yeah, no, that's not a bad thought.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh, speaking of suppressors, and you just explained to the
laymen why suppressors don't work as well on the semi
auto as they do on a fixed breachy. Does anybody
make or is there even any purpose behind a revolver
suppressor because they've got all the cylinder grab noise. Yeah,
it doesn't quiet down all.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yes, and yes it does quite unconsiderably. Really, you're still
gonna have more noise because you got the cylinder gap,
cingular barrel gap gases coming out there, so it's gonna
be louder. But yes, it's going to quiet it down some,
not as much as a semi auto. Right, but you know, look,
because things don't work has never stopped people from making
(22:22):
them and selling them right and by them.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But I see them on TV all the time and
they just go But.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Don Johnson had ah, that's right, that's right, And so
you know, suppressors are cool with here's a question, have
you ever seen a good guy use a suppressor in
a movie.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, I don't know, no any only bad guys do.
That's why they public generally has a negative impression of suppressors.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yet overseas it's real common. Everybody, yeah, shoots a suppress.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, I think I may have told you that we
had a guy come to one of our video shoots.
I do remember who he was with. I'm not gonna say, uh,
but he brought a couple of suppressures with him and
checking them in the airline. Because you have to actually,
weirdly enough, they are classified as firearms, you have to
declare them. He declared these and shows the ticket gate
(23:18):
agent whatever, uh you know what are So? That's a silencers,
he said, he said. She looked at him and said,
are you an assassin? Here's my business card?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
You know Bill Jones Killer?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Bill Jones killer? Killer's like what he really did, though,
you get weird stuff. One time I had a ticket
gate agent asked me what was inside the hallow point bullets?
What's in that cavity in there? And I realized, okay,
(23:58):
this conversation could only go downhill, right right, And I
just said, can you get a police officer over here now?
So what yes, And she called an officer over. He
looks at it and talked to her and looked at her,
and she said, but what's in down there? He said,
let the man get on the airplane.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
What's funny you said that? They you know, it's considered
a firearm when you check it into airlines, et cetera.
Yet the anti gun folks says, oh, that's not protected
by the second I mean, so well, which is it?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, even worse than that, the Fifth Circuit, which surprises me,
which is usually pretty good on guns, just rule that
suppressures are not arms under the Second Amendment. Right, we're
gonna have to appeal that one. So yes, kind of point.
Under n f A National Farms Act, they are classified
as firearms, and yet the court saying they're not arms
(24:50):
under the Second Amendment. So once again we get this conflict.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
We got to figure out yep, kind of my point.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Ye, yeah, no, exactly what I have it both ways,
So stire og, I wonder if probably have those on
gun Broker. So we talked about a lot of fun
different kind of guns. I was glad we got Jason
on today. Talked about the Smith Western Mountain Gun, the
(25:18):
return of those, because that's a very cool revolver re
kept please. Yeah, it's basically they used to make them.
It's a in his case, they're making the three fifty
seven and a forty four magnum four inch barrel revolvers
double action revolvers, but they have a trim down barrel.
They don't have the full lug underlog under the barrel
(25:41):
produces the weight affair amount, and just there are a
number of different features on it that make it just cool.
And now some of them you kind of got to
be a revolver geek to appreciate. But it's got really
good sights on it, and it's tuned up, it's got
really good grips on it, and it's just very nice people.
So people are really excited about the return of the
Mountain Gun from Smith and Weston.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I was. I was checking out a beat. I
was kind of weird with it out the Usually the
other manufacturers have done this, but I know that Smith's
didn't include any magazines with it at all.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah you're that weird. Yep. Yeah, to supply your own
magazines for your revolver.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm gonna get a gun broker, so you if I can
get some used mags for this revolver right now.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And what you want to do is go into a
gun store and ask for magazines for your revolver.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And just wait, sure, somebody holding up the phone video taping.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, somebody's got a video to sure, right, shoot some
video of this, would you please?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
That's like the common wrenching thing we do. And send
a rookie to an autoparts store for breaks for an
eighty three Corvette. That's the one year that never manufactured
the corvette.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Oh is that right?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, so you'd send them in there. You know,
I need break shoes and for the rear, I need
some front desks for an eighty three Chevy Corvette. And
the parts guy who's twenty one years old doesn't know
they never made one either. He's looking. I can't find it.
It jumps from eighty one to eight.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, yeah, we would always get the student pilots and
send them to go in and get a bucket a
prop wash. Yeah. Well, you know, we all have our thing.
I'm sure that every you know, special interest of whatever
it is, has those kinds of things. They did.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Sure, go get a bucket of our pms. We're running
a little Look how little the RPMs are We need more?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
There you go, horse, I'm hearing something. Hold on here,
oh I know what there is that snow pile? Okay
yeah yeah, we got like forty seven feet of snow
came in last night around here.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
It sounds like a helicopter on our end.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's actually Monique out there in her
tractor blowing our snow off of our driveway right now.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Monich's are one of our shooting buddies. So she actually
went down to range Ready Studios with us for a class. Yeah,
last year. So there you go running her. She's running
her John Deere tractor with big snowblower on it, taking
care of everything for it, so she doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Have more more in the winter than she does in
the summer. Right here.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, you know they still charging the summer. But you
know it's okay, what a gal. It's a profit thing.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Oh good, call back to the jerk.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Huh the jerk?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
What a fun movie, right, it's a profit that And
like Blazing Saddles, always some really cool movies you can
never make today.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, this is true. You could not, although maybe it's
coming back. We'll get some common sense coming back along
some other things.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There you go. All right, so you got you guys,
have a wonderful week. Next week, I will be down
at range ready studios will be doing the show from there.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Rub it in Gresham Ready, it's right, we're gonna go
shoot stuff, man, Lucky double what.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I like to go through the prop room called the
proper room and find out what kind of new props
have come in that I can go shoot because they
always have stuff there. There's always fun.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, check this out.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah right yeah, And while they're working, I just take
everything and go out to the range and shoot it
because it's like one hundred yards from the studio.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Love it, gotta love it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All right, have a great week, guys, be saved you too.
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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