In This Hour:
From The Ruger booth at the 2025 NRA Annual Meetings
-- With new CEO Todd Seyfert, Ruger moves into a more aggressive posture, teaming up with MagPul and now Dead Air Suppressors.
-- Something different, Barnes Bullets offers its loaded ammo with Sierra bullets in the Harvest line.
-- Second Amendment battles move to the states. Second Amendment Foundation's Adam Kraut reveals why the gun-ban lobby has largely abandonded federal actions and moved to state legislatures.
Gun Talk 04.27.25 Hour 1
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From The Ruger booth at the 2025 NRA Annual Meetings
-- With new CEO Todd Seyfert, Ruger moves into a more aggressive posture, teaming up with MagPul and now Dead Air Suppressors.
-- Something different, Barnes Bullets offers its loaded ammo with Sierra bullets in the Harvest line.
-- Second Amendment battles move to the states. Second Amendment Foundation's Adam Kraut reveals why the gun-ban lobby has largely abandonded federal actions and moved to state legislatures.
Gun Talk 04.27.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years. Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, Personal protection be
part of it, Paul, Tom Talk gun. Now here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We are actually all well remote remote. We are in
at a lot of Georgia at the NRA's annual meetings.
Also people call it the NRA Show. Whatever headn't right now,
we're in the rubber booth of our friends at Ruger.
Let us hang out here again. We appreciate that very much.
The NRA annual meetings held once a year, as you
might imagine, and they have a lot of meetings, and
(01:10):
they have their board meeting and they had their member meeting.
But they also have this huge exhibition hall. It's kind
of like a miniature shot show. But the difference is
you can't go to the shot show unless you're in
the industry. You can come to this and see all
the cool guns and AMMO and scopes and everything else.
It's made and offered to everybody, and it's just a
pretty neat deal. If you get a chance to go
to it sometime, you definitely ought to do that. And
(01:32):
we're joined right now by Todd Seyffert and Todd is
the president's CEO of the brand Pooba of Ruger, and
Marlon I guess these days absolutely both.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
No, good to see it, Tom, thanks for having me show.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No, thank you for host of this here. I know
you have been on the job for a full two months.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Now, two months. Yes, I will tell.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You when I go through the booth. I'm talking to
employees I've known a long time at Ruger. There is
an excitement and an energy I haven't seen for several years.
They are excited that you're here. They will tell me
this like, we're really excited about what's going on. And
for you, my sense is that it's all about coming
up with cool product, which means for us, cool guns.
(02:12):
We talked about this earlier. Yeah, none of us actually
needs another gun.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Percent we do not, and it's our job as a
manufacturer to to create that product that the consumer doesn't
know they need until they see it and then they
have to have it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, basically, you give us an excuse to buy the.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Next gun, and the next gun and the next gun.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So we're talking about Ruger's kind of what we think
about the future and you know, my coming on and
thinking about taking a great brand to the next what's
the next seventy five years?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Right?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
So they celebrated seventy five years last year, right, and so.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
We talk about the We want Ruger to be.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Your first gun and your next gun because of the
breadth and depth of our line and all the categories
that we serve, you know, whether that's a Mark four
pistol for shooting your first time or ten twenty two,
but then have so much in terms of design in
our product, it's also your next gun.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, you won't try a revolver. We have that. You're like,
single action, we got that. We've got double action, we
got that. You're on twenty two semi auto or a
bolt gun, we got that. I'm just like, whatever it
is you got that, have it. Yeah, you know, and
now with Marlon, you got another thing for people to
play with.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We do.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Marlin's been a fantastic acquisition for us. It took took
some time to get it up and running because we
had to move the whole facility. But that's been up
and running now obviously you know there's a lot more demand,
which is a good thing. Then we're able to fulfill.
So we're working hard. Good well that that's exactly the
bad news is in the long term, that's not good
because then we're we're sending people, we're getting them into
(03:41):
the lever action the type of gun, and we can't
fill it.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
They're gonna go somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Else that might buy one that's not yours. So you
need to be able to And of course here's what
happens at the NRA show. Every person you meet says,
that's great, now, this is the thing you need to
do next. Right, It's like you're thinking, we've had this
gun out for twelve minutes, yes, and you're already telling
me what needs to be next.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
And that's the consumer and that's why this consumer base
is so passionate about their firearms that we as a
manufacturer have to stay ahead of that well, making sure
we're thinking about that next gun.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
One of the things you guys are doing, and this
is very exciting, is partnering with major companies and bringing
out new product what two months ago maybe a little
bit more of the r exam partnering with Magpole.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Correct Make Bold partnership.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
So that product launched in December and it was a
collaboration between Ruger and Mike Pole. Really kind of the
first major collaboration that Ruger's done here today or yesterday actually,
but today it.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Does that right, but the first time they could see it, first.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Time consumers concede is we also partner.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So one of the fastest growing parts of the firearm
space is suppressors, right, it's getting easier and we're doing
some work at the legislative level and DC to try
to make that even easier for our consumers to buy.
But we partnered with dead Air and created a Ruger
collaboration with dead Air with suppressors, and so we launched
that here to the public today.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That has been phenomenal. So there it's not just another suppressor.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
It is designed to work and be different than what's
on the marketplace and give that consumer a new way
to use suppressors that's a little bit easier to interchange
and easier to clean. Therefore the life will last longer
because that muscle blast happens at the beginning of that suppressor.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
We've got a neat new way to handle that also.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Break inside the suppressor. It's the weirdest, greatest, cleverest thing.
And you're right, people need to hear this. This is
not just another suppressor. This is something different to the
point where the suppressure that was in that you guys
had on the line that that's gone. This is like
the newest, greatest because well, there's a lot of innovation
(05:50):
in suppressures and this is the very farthest part forward
looking part of what's going on with suppressures these days.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, you pick it up, it's tight. Hey, give it's
like there's nothing there.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
There's very lightweight, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yes, yes, And the recall reduction is significant. And so
that's the other part of this that we're excited about
is in those higher caliber guns, particularly in the you know,
the thirty caliber magnums, massive reduction up to forty percent
because you've.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Got to recall. You've got a rim fire that could
be used for twenty two in seventeen and the others,
but you've also got the thirty col that you could
use with the magnums.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Right, absolutely, yep.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And you know that the other the fastest part, you know,
in terms of just participation is rim fire and so
making sure that we also have something for that.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
That market can sometimes get underserved and forgotten about.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But it's a it's a dream, especially for new people,
new participants in youth, to come in.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And have no recall.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Not that room fire has recall anyway, but then the noise,
no noise, it's a very enjoyable experience.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Sure, And honestly, I've told people, look, if you really
want to start somebody out right, you know, get them
a mark for pistol, put a red dot on it,
put a can on it, and just get out of
the way. Yeah, because everybody's gonna have fun with.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So there you go. So where do you go next?
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So we've got more collaborations coming up.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
You'll you'll continue to see us partner with the top
brands in the industry.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Nothing I can talk about here.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But John Deere and Harley days. That actually wouldn't be
bad now I think about.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
It, that would actually that's actually that's actually a good idea.
So but yeah, so that's it's really it's the focus
here is going forward is it's if we do product
well and we give the consumers a reason to continue
to buy Ruger product and keep them in the family,
then all the other things we need to do as
a business, which is expand our capacity and expand our
facilities and take care of our people, that.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
All comes behind.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And so from an operation standpoint, the focus really is
product first. That's the mantra inside the four walls. Product first,
We're gonna lead with product, and then we do that
really really well. Everything else falls behind.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Where do you have manufacturers right now?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
So we are spread out, so we we manufacture all
our fires in the USA, and so we've got three
facilities in New Part New Hampshire. We've got a tech
center outside of Springfield, Massachusetts. We have our corporate headquarters
is in south Port, Connecticut. We have two facilities in
made in North Carolina, which is just a northern suburb.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Of Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
We have a facility that does mimparts and processes mainly
for Ruger outside of Saint Louis. And then we have
another facility that's mainly our pistol facility, which is in Prescott, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
So we are.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Spread out, you are, and you know there's the good
and the bad. We're spread out because it's easier typically
to move that employee base when you don't have to
have eighteen hundred employees in one building the location, and
so that's we're about an eighteen hundred employee organization and
so it makes it a little bit easier from a
(08:46):
hiring perspective. However, there are some complexities because we're spread out.
But it's worked well for RUGA for a long time
and we'll continue to you've.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Worked out the optimized it's correct, yep. And Ruger is
a publicly traded company.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
We are one of the fewublicly traded companies.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And environment mean to you in terms of running a company.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You know, it changes a little bit, right, The focus
has to be the shareholder as a public company. That's
that's that's who we're responsible to first and foremost as
our investors. And so you always have to have an
eye on what's what's good for the business and you
have to you have to make sure that these short
term decisions aren't affecting the long term value. So for me,
it's about stability over time. I guess is the best
(09:25):
way to put it. As a public company, people don't
like to see things go up and.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Down and up and down.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
You know, big big sales spike one year and then
big sales decline the next year. So for us at Ruger,
it's really about how do we become the stable growth
company over time?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And that's that's what we want to be.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
And so that's how I try to think about our
investments that get us growth over time. It's not the
big bang theory. It's let's continue to do it on
a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And in designing the company and making the company run
well and have steady growth. And people are thinking, yeah,
I don't really care about the mechanics of the company
or what's going on there, But actually you do, because
by doing that you can ensure the ability to turn
out good product new product continuously and not say well, gee,
we're on a slump now, we really can't do anything.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, and then listen to the market stuff right now, right,
I mean, we're all really know this and what's going on.
And so whether it's the farmer space or any other space,
right now, discretionary dollars are getting tight, and so you
know it's our job for I take our employees their
livelihood very very seriously, and so that stability over time
helps our employees as well.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Sounds good, Tot. I appreciate you being here, and I
know we've got a lot of cool things going on
with Ruger, new products coming out, some things that you
can't talk about, even some things I knew about that
I can't talk about. But it's exciting time. It is
a really exciting time for you guys.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
It is. Yes, we're very excited about the.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Future, and that means it's an exciting time for people
who like cool guns. Absolutely again, thanks for hosting us.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Thanks, we appreciate that anytime. Happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
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Speaker 3 (13:42):
All right, we are back with you here. I'm at
the Ruger booths at Younisanuel meetings. There's all sorts of
new stuff going on around here. And one of the
new things, well, there are names you know that you
may not know something about. For instance, Sierra and bar Barnes,
two great names in bullets and actually Ambo are actually
(14:05):
owned by the same people, and it's a combination of
really cool products. But they really haven't done a combination
until now. Andrew Sparks joint us right now, Andrew Gunma's
gonna hate it to you. What are you guys doing?
Speaker 13 (14:19):
Yeah, So, like you said, Sierra and Barnes are owned
by have the same ownership group, right, and two historic
legacy brands that have been around since Barnes nineteen thirty
two and Sierra nineteen forty seven have never worked together before.
They've never collaborated, and this was a great opportunity for
us to take to these two brands, put them together
(14:40):
and make something and offer something that neither brand has
ever had the ability to offer in the past. So
Barnes is releasing the Harvest Collection. We launched that yesterday.
The Harvest Collection by Barnes is a white tail or
thin skin game focus line of ammunition that loads a
Sarah Tip game king in it.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Okay, so you're using Sierra bullets in Barnes ammo. That's right,
that's right.
Speaker 13 (15:05):
So Barnes is obviously famous and has really made its
strides in the all copper side of hunting, right, it's
it's focus has been on you know, Western big game, Africa,
you know, big dangerous game species. The largest hunting market
in the world is the whitetail market, and that's something
that you know, Barnes has never really been able to exploit,
has never been in that market before, has never reached
(15:27):
that consumer.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, Barnes has been known probably more as a Western yes, right,
you know, I mean we're shooting your deer and al
ca and moose and things and big things you need
with deep penetration, the all copper bullet, all of that,
and it's fabulous for them, that's right. It actually works
really well with white tails, but people just don't pay
attention to that. That's right. But they're Sierra bullets in
my mind, have always been like the super accurate bullets.
(15:51):
And it's probably not actually correct if people say, well,
they're softer bullets, They're not really soft. They're actually the
game kings are actually really made well for good penetration,
but with maybe a little bit more rapid expansion what
you're looking for on lighter skin animals. How did I
do with that?
Speaker 13 (16:10):
Yeah, I think that that's spot on, right, and I
think the biggest thing is, you know, Barnes, I personally
would consider Barnes kind of an aspirational brand, right, like
the big Game. And so what we are endeavoring to
do is to bring that aspirational style brand, that aspirational
you know, experience to just more consumers, right, people who
(16:30):
didn't think that they would ever have to shoot Barns,
or need to shoot.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Barns, or even be capable.
Speaker 13 (16:35):
Of shooting Barns, right, because they all always considered it
a Western big game, but.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
They knew it was really good. Ammo, that's right, that's right,
not just bullets, but Barnes, Ammo, was really good. Ammal loaded, Ammo,
that's right. You take the Sierra bullets, which have a
great reputation and put them in the Barnes Ammo. Yes, okay,
So question where are these being loaded? They are being
loaded at Barns, the Barns and Mona, Yes, and Monata.
Every time I go down there for the shot show
(17:02):
right by a wave of the plant there. You know,
I've been in there a few times. One of the
great underground ranges. Oh man, it is the state of
the art facility. It is fantastic. It's a three hundred
yard range. At first place, I knew that was using
radar to track bullets in the trajectory.
Speaker 13 (17:18):
And the BC and everything that's right, that's right, and
that is something too. We want to you know, continue
and go do over the summer and as people site
in is, we have aspirations of going and going to
different ranges and collecting Doppler data from consumers systems right
and giving them their BC data, giving them that information
so they can go out and be better shooters.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So look for that in the near future. So what
cartridges are we loading in the harvest line person?
Speaker 13 (17:45):
Yeah, there are nine. There are nine, and i'd say
your standard cartridges. I think one of the things that's
really important is they're being offered at an incredibly competitive price.
So Barnes is typically a premium a higher price offering
harvest will be at thirty nine to ninety nine for
the standard cartridges. So we've got two two three, Uh,
we have two forty three, two seventy thirty out six
(18:08):
three oh eight and then for you know, the the
larger cartridges.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Three hundred win mag.
Speaker 13 (18:15):
You know now that I'm on the spot, I can't.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Remember, you know, it's on the website.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
Right, yes it is.
Speaker 13 (18:20):
It's on Barns Bullets dot com. But it's the larger cartridges.
The magnums are forty four ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, that's still very inexpensive compared to what's going on
in the marketplace right now.
Speaker 13 (18:28):
And for what you're getting, you're getting the consistency and
the attention to detail of Barns and they're uncompromising loading
standards with all the accuracy and the terminal performance that
you've you've already spoken about with Sierra, right, So you're
getting two iconic brands at are really reasonable price.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I've just recently been playing. There's not the harvest stample.
I've been playing with some Seerra bullets in the three
thirty eight Hot six, using the two hundred and fifteen
grain three thirty eight bullet and that big old bullet.
We're still shooting a half to three quarter inch groups
at one hundred yards. I mean, that has no business
shooting that will well.
Speaker 13 (19:01):
The fascinating thing and not to kind of deva but
I will make another shameless plug. So Sierra also has
come out with a new bullet they launched yesterday. It's
called the match King x so for generations people have
shooting match King for whitetail we know or for any
game we know it. We don't recommend it. It's not
what it's built for. Right, it is built for match accuracy.
(19:23):
We have now created a bullet that has all the
same ballistic characteristics. Right, it passes all the match King standards,
all the accuracy, all the precision standards that we are
familiar with with match King.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But now it's made to expand.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
So now we have created a match King accuracy bullet
that is purpose, purposefully built for terminal performance, and that's
called the match King X.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So you got a super accurate target grade bullet that's
made for honey, that's right. It still has the high
BC that's right, it has.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
You can basically the way we have it is it
has the same length, that has the same thick asa
has all the same characteristics. So you go load it
and you shoot it in a match. You can go
then load it the exact same way you can.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Go shoot it for deer.
Speaker 13 (20:07):
Now you got you stretching my head. How do you
do that? That is a better question for an engineer
that I am not. So what I would say is
I think there's a lot a really interesting conversation to
be high with our technical folks.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay, at Sierra, we'll have to do that. Yeah, I
think that's really interesting because, I mean, everybody knows if
you're shooting competition, there's a really good chance you're probably
shooting seerra bullets.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yes, yes, you just are. So.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean it's like, okay, but now you say, okay,
but I could And here's the deal for people to say,
why would I need that kind of accuracy? With people
shooting longer ranges, your one inch gun is no longer
good enough if you're shooting five or six or seven
hundred yards, Yes, those groups are too large now, so
you need a half inch gun or better. And now
(20:51):
you can do that with a real hunting bullet. That's right.
Speaker 13 (20:53):
And what we have found through a ton of research
and a ton of survey and collecting information, the number
one thing hunters care about is accuracy. Whether they're shooting
fifty yards, hundred yards, four hundred yards, the number one
characteristic they care about is accuracy.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, it's the number one thing they can measure it.
That's right. You know, everybody can shoot for groups, everybody
can strive for better accuracy and with the long range shooting.
We're building better rifles, we've got better opice, we've got
better everything else. People going, all right, what else do
I need to do? Well? You gotta have good bullets,
you got to have good loads. Yes, So there it is,
all right. So the new AMMO is it's a Barnes AMMO.
(21:30):
It's called the Harvest Collection. The Harvest Collection, yep, it's
it's a vertical box. It's got a big beautiful white
tail on the front. Okay, and printed on I've shot
it printed on the box. You've got your velocity, you drop.
All of that information is right there. That's the two seven.
You've got one hundred and forty green bullets right now,
one hundred and eighty green and thirty out six. I believe,
I believe that's right. I have to look on the odes,
(21:52):
but it's all on the website Barnes Bullets dot com.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
Barnbullets dot com. You'll find a bunch more information out there.
And then for the MKX matchkin X, you know it's
at here bullets dot com. There's videos, there's content out there.
We're continuing to release stuff, so there's there'll be more
information as we continue.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Very exciting stuff. Way to go, man, Yeah, thank you,
we're excited. It's fun to have new things to talk about. Absolutely,
very goodly, All right, folks, don't go far. We're in
the Ruger booth at the NRA's annual meetings right here
in Atlanta, Georgia. If you could be here, you should
be here day. What next year you got to plan
to go to the NRA show. It's really something. All right,
(22:33):
back with you here, Tom Gresher, and we're at the
NRA's annual meetings in Atlanta, Georgia. It's held once a year.
And like I said, you can't go to the shot
show unless you're in the business, but you can't come here.
And it's kind of a mini shot show. There's I mean,
all the manufacturers are here. You can walk around, you
can see the stuff. You can't buy guns here, but
you can handle them, you can see them. I would
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just say, if you get a chance, you got to go.
If you can't make it this year, you know, go
another time. So we are I'm holding out in the
Ruger booth. But Joe what, we're right next to all
the other booths, and just like I don't know, thirty
feet from us is the Cold Booths, which is kind
of cool. You can walk over and see cool guns there.
And we're joined now by Josh Dorsty and Josh, you're
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we're in Georgia. You just made an announcement with the
governor here. I thought for sure that you guys were
going to be announcing that you're moving the whole operation
of Georgia. But that wasn't what was happening. So what
were you announced? I want to get you to move
that microphone up closer to your mouth that you would please, sir.
There you go, tell you what, take that thing off
and flipping around the other way for a second. Here
(23:36):
we're gonna we're having headset issues. There you go, that's
gonna be whole lot better. Okay, So what is the
big announcement here?
Speaker 14 (23:43):
Well, first of all, I'd never say never on a move,
so you never know what's going to happen. We'll leave
that alone at this point in time. Of what we've
done is cold. I cold, It takes it takes very
seriously the safety aspect of handling the fire arm. And
we all want the same thing, no matter what side
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of the ISLD or on who you are. We all
want to be able to have a safe environment to
raise our families and things like that. So what we're
trying to do is trying to We have a program
that we're setting up that basically does two things. One,
it rejuvenates the spirit and in the terms of safe
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and responsible ownership, safe handling of the firearms so that
most of the people who make mistakes that cause problems
because you know, firearms is an unforgiven business.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, I mean, we know guns are dangerous. They're built
to be that way, which means you've got to be
responsible and careful with the whey you hold them.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
So what is this program?
Speaker 14 (24:42):
Okay, so basically, if you let around go, you're going
to hurt somebodies. We don't want to We don't want
that to go and have people who should not be
hurt get hurt. And we have something called the Safe
and Responsible Ownership program that we're doing with the State
of Georgia. George has been very welcoming and very hospitable
to us on the this program. And what we're trying
to do is is to be able to give the
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training to individuals that are thinking about a firearm or
just want to be curious to go educate themselves. And
what we've done in this program is that we have
we've made donations to the Georgia DNR to fund for
a year. They're you know, take a shot or get
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a shot, give a shot a program that could trains
people on the safe handling of firearms. Okay, so that
that education is a beautiful thing. And agnorance is the
horrible things. That's what causes all the problems. And it's
a fascinating thing. It's an interesting thing that you know,
every all walks of life have gotten who cannot get
behind this initiative and we're teaching safe year that's correct.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, who would have a problem with that? Although we
know some people say, well they're safe gun is a
gun that doesn't exist. Well, there's not much we can
do with those folks. But for people who own guns,
can teach them how to own them and have them safely.
Speaker 14 (26:03):
Well, anybody can come to this program. You just go
to cultsafe dot com. You can sign up for it
is tuition free. You can go across the state of
Georgia that go to the DNR and go through their
training process and also the money also goes to the
infrastructure ranges and things like that for men r and
so it's a good program and it's what we want
to do because.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
You know, the biggest the biggest safety.
Speaker 14 (26:26):
When handling a firearm really is between your ears, and
it's your attitude, it's your vigilance. It's how you do
the same thing every way at the same time and
you clear a weapon. It's always take the magazine out
first and go through the process to make sure you've
got to clear a weapon and know the condition of
your weapon.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
So it's all between your ears, and that's what we're
trying to do. Two things.
Speaker 14 (26:46):
One of the people that are around firearms a lot,
it may have been getting a little.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Bit comfortable, right too comfortable.
Speaker 14 (26:52):
You want to revitalize, rejuvenate their focus on safety to
make sure they're not cutting corners and they're doing it
the right way every time, because the biggest perpetrators of
this are really the other people in the profession of
arms that do it for their life, where the routine
they get too routine and something that bad happens. The
second part of it about it is there's a lot
of ignorance home about firearms and you go across the
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United States. And uh so if you education again is
a wonderful things.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
And you you, you.
Speaker 14 (27:19):
See, you mitigate the fear that somebody might have of
a firearm just through educating them how how do you
handle a firearm? And how you safe practice site so
cold takes this very seriously and h we're putting our
money where our mouth is and we're doing something about it.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It's coldsafe dot com.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
That's correct, cultsafe dot com.
Speaker 14 (27:38):
It's a microsite and you can go on and tells
you all about it, where to go, how to go
about doing to get free, get free education, free tuition, scholarship,
get educated, and just across the state of day at Georgia.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
I will also tell you that.
Speaker 14 (27:49):
The Senate and the representatives of State of Georgia have
made two resolutions for us.
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Supporting this program.
Speaker 14 (27:57):
In addition, Governor Camp signed a proclamation for the same thing.
But you know, rewarding or however you want to say,
it's the cult going taking the leadership aspect of doing this,
because an interesting thing happens when you start talking about it.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Yeah, it's just start. It's the beginning.
Speaker 14 (28:10):
It's a pebble going in a puddle and the waves
go out. But with two phone calls, we've got two
other firearms manufacturers are stepping aboard and donate Taurus and
BRIGERA wow. Okay, so this is going to hopefully it'll
keep catch and it'll grow.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
And the idea again, it is.
Speaker 14 (28:27):
To refocus our efforts on how that safe and responsible
governership and also educate those of me needs of education.
And we're not taking the barriers away from them. They
say they can't do it, when you can do it.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
It's free. There's nothing that stops you from doing right.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Free to just just sign up and do it.
Speaker 14 (28:44):
You don't have to do it, but it's a good
thing you do. And if you if you're just a
mother who's concerned about because our kids, you can go
there and get trained. It'll help you. It'll help you
understand and to spill some of the myths and some
of the ignorance that we see all around.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's a great gun safety program from one of the
great names and firearm actually one of the great brand
names in the history of the world. Everybody around the
planet knows the name Cult. That's right, you guys doing
great stuff. Josh, thank you so much. For joining us here.
We appreciate you take it a little time. I know
we squeezed you him, but we appreciate you getting in here.
Speaker 14 (29:13):
I appreciate the effort and an opportunity to speak to
anybody that's listening that wants to hear something.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Neat there you go, all right, don't go far. Gun
talk will be right back.
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Speaker 3 (31:51):
All right, we're at the Nrixanuel met he's having a
ball over here at the Ruger boots. Look at cool guns,
as we like to do. Actually, look around here at
the We're in a conference room. The wall behind you
is full of guns and Adam crowd just joined us
from the second Mana Foundation. Adam, you're looking at all
these guns.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Back here, I am behind you.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
You're going, oh, look, cool guns.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Max M's on the wall, a little some other stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, I know it. You never know where mark mark four?
Speaker 10 (32:19):
Yeah, I mean if you like twenty two's that mark
four is slick and uh.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
When we're not on the air here, sometimes in a
corner there might be a box that has something in
it that's not being shown.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Oh show oh.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
One never, that's what's in the box?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Time?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What's in the box? That's yeah, that's what happened. At
these they say, you go into somebody's conference room and
you get to see something. So we're going to show
you something but you can't tell you, but you can't
tell you about it, right, Okay, great? Thanks.
Speaker 10 (32:43):
Well it's weird you didn't make me sign that NDA,
so I guess it's a friend da.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Well, it's one of those if you don't honor this,
you'll never hear about another one.
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Yeah, you never get to come back into the comfort.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
This is this is kind of how it works. God
So second MEMI Foundation. It has been a crazy I
would say last six months have been pretty bizarre in
the courts well also of course in legislatures. Not so
much Congress right now. Although now you've got DJ, you
got Trump, you got Pam BONDI. It's like, how do
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you keep up with all this?
Speaker 10 (33:17):
We pay people for that? Oh smart, No, yeah, I
mean it's a lot. There's the rate of travel of
information and change in various things is hard to keep
track of, either as an individual or even with a
very small staff, because there's so many things that are happening.
You know, it's trying to figure out who's going to
(33:37):
do what next, what they were talking about doing.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
You know, you mentioned Trump and DJ.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
While the executive order of hey, go evaluate all these
things and report back in thirty days, and then what
do we see out of that?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
While we see mel Gibson gets.
Speaker 10 (33:49):
Federal firearms relief along with nine others, we see the
Attorney General publishing an interim rule we're sending ATFS authority
to conduct federal farms relief determinations. You see DJ taking
different positions in litigation. Now, as far as prosecution.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Talk about that, because this has happened in the last
week of the Department of Justice going in and saying,
you know those cases where we were defending gun control laws,
we're backing out of those and actually going to what
does that mean?
Speaker 10 (34:15):
Well, it means this administration is taking a different view
on it than the prior one. So that's always a
problem when the executive branch changes hands. As far as parties,
is that the not just in this context, anything like
the lack of consistency is it's something that's hard for
parties to gauge and you could have you know, you're
aware litigation is not something that you file lawsuit day
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one and day three it's decided. It's a multi year process.
So you have these things like prosecutions or even civil
lawsuits that are brought against the government where all of
a sudden they're changing. The position goes, yeah, you know
what that law we were defending, maybe we're going to
back off on that interpretation of the thing.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
And you've got three or seven years of working on
this case, You're going, wait, what just happened here?
Speaker 10 (35:00):
Can we get a consent decree? On that so that
the court can enforce it later because that'll that'll help
us in the future with.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
That's where you guys switch again.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So you guys just have to be like, got all
these balls in the air right now. I mean, I
know you got like fifty cases, fifty plus cases you're
working on, yeah any given time.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, and more coming.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
I mean, we're actively working on new litigation in a
couple of different states. You know, with the Trump administration,
we think from a federal perspective, the amount of there's
still laws to tackle, but we don't have to worry
about new threats. It's certainly not nearly as much. And
it's unlikely during this next four years we'll see new
things coming out of the executive branch at the federal
level that we go like, hey, you stop that, don't
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do that. Congress, as you mentioned earlier, like they're not
going to do anything they can't even agree on.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
You know what colorless sky is it is. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
So, but the States, and this has been a consistent
thing in a conversation I had at lunch with somebody
actually just you know, at last hour, the anti gun
side has figured out a long time ago that the
States are where they can make actual advancement, and you know,
whether it's handing somebody a draft bill or working with
a state legislature to create a bill and pass it,
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they'll look to one another.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So the example I'll give you is Colorado, and I
know that's a big one on everybody's mind.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
They just passed an assault weapons ban, so on and
so forth. Well, yeah, they did, but it's not a
flat ban. That's in part because their governor is eyeing
a presidential run, so he doesn't want that on his record.
But I think if you look at it from a
tactic they're going to take. Right now, our Maryland assault
weapons ban case, Snope is still sitting waiting for the
Supreme Court to do something. If the court takes that,
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my guess is if they grant hert it'll be a
positive decision for you know, gun rights. So assuming that
to be true, well, what's going to happen. We saw
after Bruin all these blue states going cool, we'll give
you carry permits. But by the way, here's all the
places you can't carry, which is pretty much everywhere.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Right.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
So I think if you look at what Colorado did,
that's the model that all these states are going to
adopt that our anti got It's going to be fine,
you can have the thing, but here's an arduous permitting
process that's going to cost you money and time.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Semi automatic, but it's going to take you a year
to get the permit. It's going to cost you a
thousand dollars to go through the training get Oh yeah,
by the way, there's not going to be any training available.
You'll have to sue us to actually.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Hold a class YEP.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And they're how to put barriers in the way.
Speaker 10 (37:12):
And then in five years you're going to have to
renew the thing anyway, and and so on and so forth.
So I think unfortunately, I think, you know, there's been
a lot of discussion in the legal community about the
footnote and Bruin that talked about permitting processes and how
you know, may issue is perfectly fine, and you know, well, okay,
now we're talking about an acquisition permit. That's different. But
I think there is going to be a lot of
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fighting over that footnote in the future in these permit
cases that deal with acquisitions.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
As you know, it relates to that.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
And then of course long term, you see it already
in the permitting context as far as carry permits, you know,
delays fees, and we've been a part of lawsuits for
that and are continuing to look at this.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Even though the environment is better now, it doesn't really
mean it's like, oh, we're going to relax at all.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
It's unfortuncently, this is never going to end. And that's
what I keep telling people. There is no winning. There's
just taking a little piece of the pie back and
then you're fighting over the next step over that piece
of pie, and it's just going to continuously be that right.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's just it is always going to be here because
there is a group out there that absolutely wants to
end all ownership, all privateership and guns. And to not
understand that is to hide your head in the sand.
That is absolutely real. Let's do this atam. When we
come back, I gotta take a quick break here. I
want to talk a little bit about a thing that's
coming up. It's called the g RPC Sure Gun Rights
(38:36):
Policy Conference, going to be held in Salt Lake City
this year, which is very accessible to an awful lot
of people, and so we'll talk about that, and also
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going on saf dot org. Yes or second amend the
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Adam Crowd from the Second Moon Foundation. Adam, before you
get out of rugerbums, you got to go take a
look at their new suppressures that they're doing with dead Air.
I know that you really like suppressors. You like things
that go baying. Actually, you like things that go bang quickly,
don't you.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
I mean guns are cool, silencers are cool, like all
the things that make you like.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
All that stuff. Yeah, they think of you. Oh yeah,
he's that second member of attorney. Well that part's true.
I actually shoot guns, but you actually shoot guns too. Yeah,
it's crazy, which is unlike some attorneys. I just gonna say, Okay,
so you.
Speaker 10 (39:50):
Know the Dead Air is one of saff's corporate partners,
so we were true, we were excited to see that.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I think it's a natural making.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
And I was actually talking to Ernie from Dead Air
outside the booth before I came back here, and I'd
seen their email the other day about that, So you know.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
What did you guys do? And I only caught one.
I was.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
I was in the car when I looked at this
email and shouldn't do that, but I did see they
had a thirty cow cannon went oh Ruger American natural
pairing there, and then they have a twenty two as well,
and you have the Mark four, So I'm like, wow,
that's that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Mark board is a great silence.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
So.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I mean, honestly, I've told people, get a Mark four,
put a dot on it, and put a can on it,
and now you got your great starter gun for everybody.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah, a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You can start anybody out. I don't care all they
are or how much there may be a little bit
recoil sensitive. It's just not a thing, dude.
Speaker 10 (40:39):
I love shooting twenty two still, like I I you know,
they're just fun.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
And relative to everything else, it's cheap.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, that's sure deal. So and if people want to
talk about guns with you, they could come to Salt
Lake City in September at the Gun Rights Policy Conference,
which oh yeah, by the way, people, it's free. Unbelievable
people could come there and it's free, and you're going
to get to rub shoulders with the movers and shakers
of the Second Amendment movement. So talk about what's going
(41:06):
on this year.
Speaker 10 (41:06):
Yeah, So there'll be a lot of exciting people, not me,
but they'll be exciting people there. And you know grp
SE it's the fortieth annual event for that. We have,
you know, everybody from the lawyers that are litigating these cases,
to the scholars that have done the original research, to
various people that work within the legislatures, you know, as
(41:27):
far as the state groups are concerned lobby. Yeah, and
you know, I'll throw back to last year. I'm not
going to give away too much yet. We're still in
the process of planning this year's agenda. But last year
we had a fireside chat with some state legislatures, state
legislators from various states to talk about, you know, how
they they do things to give a little more insight
(41:47):
as to you know, to the public as to how
they work.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
How this works, and also what says how you can
be more effected in dealing with your state legislators to
either get goods things to have understand bad things from happening.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
Correct, yep, you know what do they pay attention to?
What are they doing in their various states. We had
Daryl Aisa, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee of
the you know, the Federal House of Representatives. You give
a keynote address and then a fireside chat after that.
So one of the things that we did last year
was we completely changed the flow and dynamic of the event.
(42:22):
We decided, you know now that we were actually planning
it and taking it away from some legacy people in
the organization as we're transitioning things to try something new.
And what we found was that people really liked it.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
So we're going to be repeating that.
Speaker 10 (42:33):
Formula to a degree this year with some additional changes
and things like that. But it's a you know, it
starts on Friday night with a reception. Saturday, it's an
all day event with a reception in the evening and
then Sunday there's a half day, so it's a good
way to spend a you know, weekend with people if
you care about gun rights, to get a little better educated,
to meet some of those big names that you may
(42:54):
see on the internet that you may want to go
shake their hand and tell them you know what you
think of them.
Speaker 9 (43:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Absolutely, And all the information is at saf dot org
slash g r PC slash g r PC. You can
just go there and you can sign up, you can
find out what everything's going on. And also you're gonna
be as we get closer, you announce a little bit
more about who the speakers are and things like that.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
Yep, as we start, as we start to get the
people in the agenda, we'll start to roll that out
sooner rather than later so that way people know who's
going to be there. But we're working actively to identify
speakers for this year and send them invitations. We've already
gotten a handful back. We're just waiting to build a
little bit more of a repository before we start rolling
them out so we can promote it more makes sense.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Saf dot org slash g r p C. That'll get
you there, Adam, thanks so much more. It's a pleasure
in thanks for having don't go far. We're still at
the NRA annual meetings in the River food and I
will be right back
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
We are actually all well remote remote. We are in
at a lot of Georgia at the NRA's annual meetings.
Also people call it the NRA Show. Whatever headn't right now,
we're in the rubber booth of our friends at Ruger.
Let us hang out here again. We appreciate that very much.
The NRA annual meetings held once a year, as you
might imagine, and they have a lot of meetings, and
(01:10):
they have their board meeting and they had their member meeting.
But they also have this huge exhibition hall. It's kind
of like a miniature shot show. But the difference is
you can't go to the shot show unless you're in
the industry. You can come to this and see all
the cool guns and AMMO and scopes and everything else.
It's made and offered to everybody, and it's just a
pretty neat deal. If you get a chance to go
to it sometime, you definitely ought to do that. And
(01:32):
we're joined right now by Todd Seyffert and Todd is
the president's CEO of the brand Pooba of Ruger, and
Marlon I guess these days absolutely both.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
No, good to see it, Tom, thanks for having me show.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No, thank you for host of this here. I know
you have been on the job for a full two months.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Now, two months. Yes, I will tell.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You when I go through the booth. I'm talking to
employees I've known a long time at Ruger. There is
an excitement and an energy I haven't seen for several years.
They are excited that you're here. They will tell me
this like, we're really excited about what's going on. And
for you, my sense is that it's all about coming
up with cool product, which means for us, cool guns.
(02:12):
We talked about this earlier. Yeah, none of us actually
needs another gun.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Percent we do not, and it's our job as a
manufacturer to to create that product that the consumer doesn't
know they need until they see it and then they
have to have it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, basically, you give us an excuse to buy the.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Next gun, and the next gun and the next gun.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So we're talking about Ruger's kind of what we think
about the future and you know, my coming on and
thinking about taking a great brand to the next what's
the next seventy five years?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Right?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
So they celebrated seventy five years last year, right, and so.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
We talk about the We want Ruger to be.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Your first gun and your next gun because of the
breadth and depth of our line and all the categories
that we serve, you know, whether that's a Mark four
pistol for shooting your first time or ten twenty two,
but then have so much in terms of design in
our product, it's also your next gun.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, you won't try a revolver. We have that. You're like,
single action, we got that. We've got double action, we
got that. You're on twenty two semi auto or a
bolt gun, we got that. I'm just like, whatever it
is you got that, have it. Yeah, you know, and
now with Marlon, you got another thing for people to
play with.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We do.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Marlin's been a fantastic acquisition for us. It took took
some time to get it up and running because we
had to move the whole facility. But that's been up
and running now obviously you know there's a lot more demand,
which is a good thing. Then we're able to fulfill.
So we're working hard. Good well that that's exactly the
bad news is in the long term, that's not good
because then we're we're sending people, we're getting them into
(03:41):
the lever action the type of gun, and we can't
fill it.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
They're gonna go somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Else that might buy one that's not yours. So you
need to be able to And of course here's what
happens at the NRA show. Every person you meet says,
that's great, now, this is the thing you need to
do next. Right, It's like you're thinking, we've had this
gun out for twelve minutes, yes, and you're already telling
me what needs to be next.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
And that's the consumer and that's why this consumer base
is so passionate about their firearms that we as a
manufacturer have to stay ahead of that well, making sure
we're thinking about that next gun.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
One of the things you guys are doing, and this
is very exciting, is partnering with major companies and bringing
out new product what two months ago maybe a little
bit more of the r exam partnering with Magpole.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Correct Make Bold partnership.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
So that product launched in December and it was a
collaboration between Ruger and Mike Pole. Really kind of the
first major collaboration that Ruger's done here today or yesterday actually,
but today it.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Does that right, but the first time they could see it, first.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Time consumers concede is we also partner.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So one of the fastest growing parts of the firearm
space is suppressors, right, it's getting easier and we're doing
some work at the legislative level and DC to try
to make that even easier for our consumers to buy.
But we partnered with dead Air and created a Ruger
collaboration with dead Air with suppressors, and so we launched
that here to the public today.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That has been phenomenal. So there it's not just another suppressor.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
It is designed to work and be different than what's
on the marketplace and give that consumer a new way
to use suppressors that's a little bit easier to interchange
and easier to clean. Therefore the life will last longer
because that muscle blast happens at the beginning of that suppressor.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
We've got a neat new way to handle that also.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Break inside the suppressor. It's the weirdest, greatest, cleverest thing.
And you're right, people need to hear this. This is
not just another suppressor. This is something different to the
point where the suppressure that was in that you guys
had on the line that that's gone. This is like
the newest, greatest because well, there's a lot of innovation
(05:50):
in suppressures and this is the very farthest part forward
looking part of what's going on with suppressures these days.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, you pick it up, it's tight. Hey, give it's
like there's nothing there.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
There's very lightweight, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yes, yes, And the recall reduction is significant. And so
that's the other part of this that we're excited about
is in those higher caliber guns, particularly in the you know,
the thirty caliber magnums, massive reduction up to forty percent
because you've.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Got to recall. You've got a rim fire that could
be used for twenty two in seventeen and the others,
but you've also got the thirty col that you could
use with the magnums.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Right, absolutely, yep.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And you know that the other the fastest part, you know,
in terms of just participation is rim fire and so
making sure that we also have something for that.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
That market can sometimes get underserved and forgotten about.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But it's a it's a dream, especially for new people,
new participants in youth, to come in.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And have no recall.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Not that room fire has recall anyway, but then the noise,
no noise, it's a very enjoyable experience.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Sure, And honestly, I've told people, look, if you really
want to start somebody out right, you know, get them
a mark for pistol, put a red dot on it,
put a can on it, and just get out of
the way. Yeah, because everybody's gonna have fun with.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So there you go. So where do you go next?
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So we've got more collaborations coming up.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
You'll you'll continue to see us partner with the top
brands in the industry.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Nothing I can talk about here.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But John Deere and Harley days. That actually wouldn't be
bad now I think about.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
It, that would actually that's actually that's actually a good idea.
So but yeah, so that's it's really it's the focus
here is going forward is it's if we do product
well and we give the consumers a reason to continue
to buy Ruger product and keep them in the family,
then all the other things we need to do as
a business, which is expand our capacity and expand our
facilities and take care of our people, that.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
All comes behind.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And so from an operation standpoint, the focus really is
product first. That's the mantra inside the four walls. Product first,
We're gonna lead with product, and then we do that
really really well. Everything else falls behind.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Where do you have manufacturers right now?
Speaker 5 (07:52):
So we are spread out, so we we manufacture all
our fires in the USA, and so we've got three
facilities in New Part New Hampshire. We've got a tech
center outside of Springfield, Massachusetts. We have our corporate headquarters
is in south Port, Connecticut. We have two facilities in
made in North Carolina, which is just a northern suburb.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Of Greensboro, North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
We have a facility that does mimparts and processes mainly
for Ruger outside of Saint Louis. And then we have
another facility that's mainly our pistol facility, which is in Prescott, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
So we are.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Spread out, you are, and you know there's the good
and the bad. We're spread out because it's easier typically
to move that employee base when you don't have to
have eighteen hundred employees in one building the location, and
so that's we're about an eighteen hundred employee organization and
so it makes it a little bit easier from a
(08:46):
hiring perspective. However, there are some complexities because we're spread out.
But it's worked well for RUGA for a long time
and we'll continue to you've.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Worked out the optimized it's correct, yep. And Ruger is
a publicly traded company.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
We are one of the fewublicly traded companies.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And environment mean to you in terms of running a company.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
You know, it changes a little bit, right, The focus
has to be the shareholder as a public company. That's
that's that's who we're responsible to first and foremost as
our investors. And so you always have to have an
eye on what's what's good for the business and you
have to you have to make sure that these short
term decisions aren't affecting the long term value. So for me,
it's about stability over time. I guess is the best
(09:25):
way to put it. As a public company, people don't
like to see things go up and.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Down and up and down.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
You know, big big sales spike one year and then
big sales decline the next year. So for us at Ruger,
it's really about how do we become the stable growth
company over time?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And that's that's what we want to be.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
And so that's how I try to think about our
investments that get us growth over time. It's not the
big bang theory. It's let's continue to do it on
a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And in designing the company and making the company run
well and have steady growth. And people are thinking, yeah,
I don't really care about the mechanics of the company
or what's going on there, But actually you do, because
by doing that you can ensure the ability to turn
out good product new product continuously and not say well, gee,
we're on a slump now, we really can't do anything.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, and then listen to the market stuff right now, right,
I mean, we're all really know this and what's going on.
And so whether it's the farmer space or any other space,
right now, discretionary dollars are getting tight, and so you
know it's our job for I take our employees their
livelihood very very seriously, and so that stability over time
helps our employees as well.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Sounds good, Tot. I appreciate you being here, and I
know we've got a lot of cool things going on
with Ruger, new products coming out, some things that you
can't talk about, even some things I knew about that
I can't talk about. But it's exciting time. It is
a really exciting time for you guys.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
It is. Yes, we're very excited about the.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Future, and that means it's an exciting time for people
who like cool guns. Absolutely again, thanks for hosting us.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Thanks, we appreciate that anytime. Happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
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Speaker 3 (13:42):
All right, we are back with you here. I'm at
the Ruger booths at Younisanuel meetings. There's all sorts of
new stuff going on around here. And one of the
new things, well, there are names you know that you
may not know something about. For instance, Sierra and bar Barnes,
two great names in bullets and actually Ambo are actually
(14:05):
owned by the same people, and it's a combination of
really cool products. But they really haven't done a combination
until now. Andrew Sparks joint us right now, Andrew Gunma's
gonna hate it to you. What are you guys doing?
Speaker 13 (14:19):
Yeah, So, like you said, Sierra and Barnes are owned
by have the same ownership group, right, and two historic
legacy brands that have been around since Barnes nineteen thirty
two and Sierra nineteen forty seven have never worked together before.
They've never collaborated, and this was a great opportunity for
us to take to these two brands, put them together
(14:40):
and make something and offer something that neither brand has
ever had the ability to offer in the past. So
Barnes is releasing the Harvest Collection. We launched that yesterday.
The Harvest Collection by Barnes is a white tail or
thin skin game focus line of ammunition that loads a
Sarah Tip game king in it.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Okay, so you're using Sierra bullets in Barnes ammo. That's right,
that's right.
Speaker 13 (15:05):
So Barnes is obviously famous and has really made its
strides in the all copper side of hunting, right, it's
it's focus has been on you know, Western big game, Africa,
you know, big dangerous game species. The largest hunting market
in the world is the whitetail market, and that's something
that you know, Barnes has never really been able to exploit,
has never been in that market before, has never reached
(15:27):
that consumer.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, Barnes has been known probably more as a Western yes, right,
you know, I mean we're shooting your deer and al
ca and moose and things and big things you need
with deep penetration, the all copper bullet, all of that,
and it's fabulous for them, that's right. It actually works
really well with white tails, but people just don't pay
attention to that. That's right. But they're Sierra bullets in
my mind, have always been like the super accurate bullets.
(15:51):
And it's probably not actually correct if people say, well,
they're softer bullets, They're not really soft. They're actually the
game kings are actually really made well for good penetration,
but with maybe a little bit more rapid expansion what
you're looking for on lighter skin animals. How did I
do with that?
Speaker 13 (16:10):
Yeah, I think that that's spot on, right, and I
think the biggest thing is, you know, Barnes, I personally
would consider Barnes kind of an aspirational brand, right, like
the big Game. And so what we are endeavoring to
do is to bring that aspirational style brand, that aspirational
you know, experience to just more consumers, right, people who
(16:30):
didn't think that they would ever have to shoot Barns,
or need to shoot.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Barns, or even be capable.
Speaker 13 (16:35):
Of shooting Barns, right, because they all always considered it
a Western big game, but.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
They knew it was really good. Ammo, that's right, that's right,
not just bullets, but Barnes, Ammo, was really good. Ammal loaded, Ammo,
that's right. You take the Sierra bullets, which have a
great reputation and put them in the Barnes Ammo. Yes, okay,
So question where are these being loaded? They are being
loaded at Barns, the Barns and Mona, Yes, and Monata.
Every time I go down there for the shot show
(17:02):
right by a wave of the plant there. You know,
I've been in there a few times. One of the
great underground ranges. Oh man, it is the state of
the art facility. It is fantastic. It's a three hundred
yard range. At first place, I knew that was using
radar to track bullets in the trajectory.
Speaker 13 (17:18):
And the BC and everything that's right, that's right, and
that is something too. We want to you know, continue
and go do over the summer and as people site
in is, we have aspirations of going and going to
different ranges and collecting Doppler data from consumers systems right
and giving them their BC data, giving them that information
so they can go out and be better shooters.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So look for that in the near future. So what
cartridges are we loading in the harvest line person?
Speaker 13 (17:45):
Yeah, there are nine. There are nine, and i'd say
your standard cartridges. I think one of the things that's
really important is they're being offered at an incredibly competitive price.
So Barnes is typically a premium a higher price offering
harvest will be at thirty nine to ninety nine for
the standard cartridges. So we've got two two three, Uh,
we have two forty three, two seventy thirty out six
(18:08):
three oh eight and then for you know, the the
larger cartridges.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Three hundred win mag.
Speaker 13 (18:15):
You know now that I'm on the spot, I can't.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Remember, you know, it's on the website.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
Right, yes it is.
Speaker 13 (18:20):
It's on Barns Bullets dot com. But it's the larger cartridges.
The magnums are forty four ninety nine.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, that's still very inexpensive compared to what's going on
in the marketplace right now.
Speaker 13 (18:28):
And for what you're getting, you're getting the consistency and
the attention to detail of Barns and they're uncompromising loading
standards with all the accuracy and the terminal performance that
you've you've already spoken about with Sierra, right, So you're
getting two iconic brands at are really reasonable price.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I've just recently been playing. There's not the harvest stample.
I've been playing with some Seerra bullets in the three
thirty eight Hot six, using the two hundred and fifteen
grain three thirty eight bullet and that big old bullet.
We're still shooting a half to three quarter inch groups
at one hundred yards. I mean, that has no business
shooting that will well.
Speaker 13 (19:01):
The fascinating thing and not to kind of deva but
I will make another shameless plug. So Sierra also has
come out with a new bullet they launched yesterday. It's
called the match King x so for generations people have
shooting match King for whitetail we know or for any
game we know it. We don't recommend it. It's not
what it's built for. Right, it is built for match accuracy.
(19:23):
We have now created a bullet that has all the
same ballistic characteristics. Right, it passes all the match King standards,
all the accuracy, all the precision standards that we are
familiar with with match King.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But now it's made to expand.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
So now we have created a match King accuracy bullet
that is purpose, purposefully built for terminal performance, and that's
called the match King X.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So you got a super accurate target grade bullet that's
made for honey, that's right. It still has the high
BC that's right, it has.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
You can basically the way we have it is it
has the same length, that has the same thick asa
has all the same characteristics. So you go load it
and you shoot it in a match. You can go
then load it the exact same way you can.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Go shoot it for deer.
Speaker 13 (20:07):
Now you got you stretching my head. How do you
do that? That is a better question for an engineer
that I am not. So what I would say is
I think there's a lot a really interesting conversation to
be high with our technical folks.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay, at Sierra, we'll have to do that. Yeah, I
think that's really interesting because, I mean, everybody knows if
you're shooting competition, there's a really good chance you're probably
shooting seerra bullets.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yes, yes, you just are. So.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean it's like, okay, but now you say, okay,
but I could And here's the deal for people to say,
why would I need that kind of accuracy? With people
shooting longer ranges, your one inch gun is no longer
good enough if you're shooting five or six or seven
hundred yards, Yes, those groups are too large now, so
you need a half inch gun or better. And now
(20:51):
you can do that with a real hunting bullet. That's right.
Speaker 13 (20:53):
And what we have found through a ton of research
and a ton of survey and collecting information, the number
one thing hunters care about is accuracy. Whether they're shooting
fifty yards, hundred yards, four hundred yards, the number one
characteristic they care about is accuracy.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, it's the number one thing they can measure it.
That's right. You know, everybody can shoot for groups, everybody
can strive for better accuracy and with the long range shooting.
We're building better rifles, we've got better opice, we've got
better everything else. People going, all right, what else do
I need to do? Well? You gotta have good bullets,
you got to have good loads. Yes, So there it is,
all right. So the new AMMO is it's a Barnes AMMO.
(21:30):
It's called the Harvest Collection. The Harvest Collection, yep, it's
it's a vertical box. It's got a big beautiful white
tail on the front. Okay, and printed on I've shot
it printed on the box. You've got your velocity, you drop.
All of that information is right there. That's the two seven.
You've got one hundred and forty green bullets right now,
one hundred and eighty green and thirty out six. I believe,
I believe that's right. I have to look on the odes,
(21:52):
but it's all on the website Barnes Bullets dot com.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
Barnbullets dot com. You'll find a bunch more information out there.
And then for the MKX matchkin X, you know it's
at here bullets dot com. There's videos, there's content out there.
We're continuing to release stuff, so there's there'll be more
information as we continue.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Very exciting stuff. Way to go, man, Yeah, thank you,
we're excited. It's fun to have new things to talk about. Absolutely,
very goodly, All right, folks, don't go far. We're in
the Ruger booth at the NRA's annual meetings right here
in Atlanta, Georgia. If you could be here, you should
be here day. What next year you got to plan
to go to the NRA show. It's really something. All right,
(22:33):
back with you here, Tom Gresher, and we're at the
NRA's annual meetings in Atlanta, Georgia. It's held once a year.
And like I said, you can't go to the shot
show unless you're in the business, but you can't come here.
And it's kind of a mini shot show. There's I mean,
all the manufacturers are here. You can walk around, you
can see the stuff. You can't buy guns here, but
you can handle them, you can see them. I would
(22:53):
just say, if you get a chance, you got to go.
If you can't make it this year, you know, go
another time. So we are I'm holding out in the
Ruger booth. But Joe what, we're right next to all
the other booths, and just like I don't know, thirty
feet from us is the Cold Booths, which is kind
of cool. You can walk over and see cool guns there.
And we're joined now by Josh Dorsty and Josh, you're
(23:16):
we're in Georgia. You just made an announcement with the
governor here. I thought for sure that you guys were
going to be announcing that you're moving the whole operation
of Georgia. But that wasn't what was happening. So what
were you announced? I want to get you to move
that microphone up closer to your mouth that you would please, sir.
There you go, tell you what, take that thing off
and flipping around the other way for a second. Here
(23:36):
we're gonna we're having headset issues. There you go, that's
gonna be whole lot better. Okay, So what is the
big announcement here?
Speaker 14 (23:43):
Well, first of all, I'd never say never on a move,
so you never know what's going to happen. We'll leave
that alone at this point in time. Of what we've
done is cold. I cold, It takes it takes very
seriously the safety aspect of handling the fire arm. And
we all want the same thing, no matter what side
(24:03):
of the ISLD or on who you are. We all
want to be able to have a safe environment to
raise our families and things like that. So what we're
trying to do is trying to We have a program
that we're setting up that basically does two things. One,
it rejuvenates the spirit and in the terms of safe
(24:24):
and responsible ownership, safe handling of the firearms so that
most of the people who make mistakes that cause problems
because you know, firearms is an unforgiven business.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, I mean, we know guns are dangerous. They're built
to be that way, which means you've got to be
responsible and careful with the whey you hold them.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
So what is this program?
Speaker 14 (24:42):
Okay, so basically, if you let around go, you're going
to hurt somebodies. We don't want to We don't want
that to go and have people who should not be
hurt get hurt. And we have something called the Safe
and Responsible Ownership program that we're doing with the State
of Georgia. George has been very welcoming and very hospitable
to us on the this program. And what we're trying
to do is is to be able to give the
(25:04):
training to individuals that are thinking about a firearm or
just want to be curious to go educate themselves. And
what we've done in this program is that we have
we've made donations to the Georgia DNR to fund for
a year. They're you know, take a shot or get
(25:27):
a shot, give a shot a program that could trains
people on the safe handling of firearms. Okay, so that
that education is a beautiful thing. And agnorance is the
horrible things. That's what causes all the problems. And it's
a fascinating thing. It's an interesting thing that you know,
every all walks of life have gotten who cannot get
behind this initiative and we're teaching safe year that's correct.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, who would have a problem with that? Although we
know some people say, well they're safe gun is a
gun that doesn't exist. Well, there's not much we can
do with those folks. But for people who own guns,
can teach them how to own them and have them safely.
Speaker 14 (26:03):
Well, anybody can come to this program. You just go
to cultsafe dot com. You can sign up for it
is tuition free. You can go across the state of
Georgia that go to the DNR and go through their
training process and also the money also goes to the
infrastructure ranges and things like that for men r and
so it's a good program and it's what we want
to do because.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
You know, the biggest the biggest safety.
Speaker 14 (26:26):
When handling a firearm really is between your ears, and
it's your attitude, it's your vigilance. It's how you do
the same thing every way at the same time and
you clear a weapon. It's always take the magazine out
first and go through the process to make sure you've
got to clear a weapon and know the condition of
your weapon.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
So it's all between your ears, and that's what we're
trying to do. Two things.
Speaker 14 (26:46):
One of the people that are around firearms a lot,
it may have been getting a little.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Bit comfortable, right too comfortable.
Speaker 14 (26:52):
You want to revitalize, rejuvenate their focus on safety to
make sure they're not cutting corners and they're doing it
the right way every time, because the biggest perpetrators of
this are really the other people in the profession of
arms that do it for their life, where the routine
they get too routine and something that bad happens. The
second part of it about it is there's a lot
of ignorance home about firearms and you go across the
(27:13):
United States. And uh so if you education again is
a wonderful things.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
And you you, you.
Speaker 14 (27:19):
See, you mitigate the fear that somebody might have of
a firearm just through educating them how how do you
handle a firearm? And how you safe practice site so
cold takes this very seriously and h we're putting our
money where our mouth is and we're doing something about it.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It's coldsafe dot com.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
That's correct, cultsafe dot com.
Speaker 14 (27:38):
It's a microsite and you can go on and tells
you all about it, where to go, how to go
about doing to get free, get free education, free tuition, scholarship,
get educated, and just across the state of day at Georgia.
Speaker 9 (27:48):
I will also tell you that.
Speaker 14 (27:49):
The Senate and the representatives of State of Georgia have
made two resolutions for us.
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Supporting this program.
Speaker 14 (27:57):
In addition, Governor Camp signed a proclamation for the same thing.
But you know, rewarding or however you want to say,
it's the cult going taking the leadership aspect of doing this,
because an interesting thing happens when you start talking about it.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Yeah, it's just start. It's the beginning.
Speaker 14 (28:10):
It's a pebble going in a puddle and the waves
go out. But with two phone calls, we've got two
other firearms manufacturers are stepping aboard and donate Taurus and
BRIGERA wow. Okay, so this is going to hopefully it'll
keep catch and it'll grow.
Speaker 9 (28:25):
And the idea again, it is.
Speaker 14 (28:27):
To refocus our efforts on how that safe and responsible
governership and also educate those of me needs of education.
And we're not taking the barriers away from them. They
say they can't do it, when you can do it.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
It's free. There's nothing that stops you from doing right.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Free to just just sign up and do it.
Speaker 14 (28:44):
You don't have to do it, but it's a good
thing you do. And if you if you're just a
mother who's concerned about because our kids, you can go
there and get trained. It'll help you. It'll help you
understand and to spill some of the myths and some
of the ignorance that we see all around.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's a great gun safety program from one of the
great names and firearm actually one of the great brand
names in the history of the world. Everybody around the
planet knows the name Cult. That's right, you guys doing
great stuff. Josh, thank you so much. For joining us here.
We appreciate you take it a little time. I know
we squeezed you him, but we appreciate you getting in here.
Speaker 14 (29:13):
I appreciate the effort and an opportunity to speak to
anybody that's listening that wants to hear something.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Neat there you go, all right, don't go far. Gun
talk will be right back.
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Speaker 3 (31:51):
All right, we're at the Nrixanuel met he's having a
ball over here at the Ruger boots. Look at cool guns,
as we like to do. Actually, look around here at
the We're in a conference room. The wall behind you
is full of guns and Adam crowd just joined us
from the second Mana Foundation. Adam, you're looking at all
these guns.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Back here, I am behind you.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
You're going, oh, look, cool guns.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Max M's on the wall, a little some other stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, I know it. You never know where mark mark four?
Speaker 10 (32:19):
Yeah, I mean if you like twenty two's that mark
four is slick and uh.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
When we're not on the air here, sometimes in a
corner there might be a box that has something in
it that's not being shown.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Oh show oh.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
One never, that's what's in the box?
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Time?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What's in the box? That's yeah, that's what happened. At
these they say, you go into somebody's conference room and
you get to see something. So we're going to show
you something but you can't tell you, but you can't
tell you about it, right, Okay, great? Thanks.
Speaker 10 (32:43):
Well it's weird you didn't make me sign that NDA,
so I guess it's a friend da.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Well, it's one of those if you don't honor this,
you'll never hear about another one.
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Yeah, you never get to come back into the comfort.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
This is this is kind of how it works. God
So second MEMI Foundation. It has been a crazy I
would say last six months have been pretty bizarre in
the courts well also of course in legislatures. Not so
much Congress right now. Although now you've got DJ, you
got Trump, you got Pam BONDI. It's like, how do
(33:15):
you keep up with all this?
Speaker 10 (33:17):
We pay people for that? Oh smart, No, yeah, I
mean it's a lot. There's the rate of travel of
information and change in various things is hard to keep
track of, either as an individual or even with a
very small staff, because there's so many things that are happening.
You know, it's trying to figure out who's going to
(33:37):
do what next, what they were talking about doing.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
You know, you mentioned Trump and DJ.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
While the executive order of hey, go evaluate all these
things and report back in thirty days, and then what
do we see out of that?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
While we see mel Gibson gets.
Speaker 10 (33:49):
Federal firearms relief along with nine others, we see the
Attorney General publishing an interim rule we're sending ATFS authority
to conduct federal farms relief determinations. You see DJ taking
different positions in litigation. Now, as far as prosecution.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Talk about that, because this has happened in the last
week of the Department of Justice going in and saying,
you know those cases where we were defending gun control laws,
we're backing out of those and actually going to what
does that mean?
Speaker 10 (34:15):
Well, it means this administration is taking a different view
on it than the prior one. So that's always a
problem when the executive branch changes hands. As far as parties,
is that the not just in this context, anything like
the lack of consistency is it's something that's hard for
parties to gauge and you could have you know, you're
aware litigation is not something that you file lawsuit day
(34:37):
one and day three it's decided. It's a multi year process.
So you have these things like prosecutions or even civil
lawsuits that are brought against the government where all of
a sudden they're changing. The position goes, yeah, you know
what that law we were defending, maybe we're going to
back off on that interpretation of the thing.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
And you've got three or seven years of working on
this case, You're going, wait, what just happened here?
Speaker 10 (35:00):
Can we get a consent decree? On that so that
the court can enforce it later because that'll that'll help
us in the future with.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
That's where you guys switch again.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So you guys just have to be like, got all
these balls in the air right now. I mean, I
know you got like fifty cases, fifty plus cases you're
working on, yeah any given time.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, and more coming.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
I mean, we're actively working on new litigation in a
couple of different states. You know, with the Trump administration,
we think from a federal perspective, the amount of there's
still laws to tackle, but we don't have to worry
about new threats. It's certainly not nearly as much. And
it's unlikely during this next four years we'll see new
things coming out of the executive branch at the federal
level that we go like, hey, you stop that, don't
(35:38):
do that. Congress, as you mentioned earlier, like they're not
going to do anything they can't even agree on.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
You know what colorless sky is it is. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
So, but the States, and this has been a consistent
thing in a conversation I had at lunch with somebody
actually just you know, at last hour, the anti gun
side has figured out a long time ago that the
States are where they can make actual advancement, and you know,
whether it's handing somebody a draft bill or working with
a state legislature to create a bill and pass it,
(36:06):
they'll look to one another.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
So the example I'll give you is Colorado, and I
know that's a big one on everybody's mind.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
They just passed an assault weapons ban, so on and
so forth. Well, yeah, they did, but it's not a
flat ban. That's in part because their governor is eyeing
a presidential run, so he doesn't want that on his record.
But I think if you look at it from a
tactic they're going to take. Right now, our Maryland assault
weapons ban case, Snope is still sitting waiting for the
Supreme Court to do something. If the court takes that,
(36:33):
my guess is if they grant hert it'll be a
positive decision for you know, gun rights. So assuming that
to be true, well, what's going to happen. We saw
after Bruin all these blue states going cool, we'll give
you carry permits. But by the way, here's all the
places you can't carry, which is pretty much everywhere.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Right.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
So I think if you look at what Colorado did,
that's the model that all these states are going to
adopt that our anti got It's going to be fine,
you can have the thing, but here's an arduous permitting
process that's going to cost you money and time.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Semi automatic, but it's going to take you a year
to get the permit. It's going to cost you a
thousand dollars to go through the training get Oh yeah,
by the way, there's not going to be any training available.
You'll have to sue us to actually.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Hold a class YEP.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
And they're how to put barriers in the way.
Speaker 10 (37:12):
And then in five years you're going to have to
renew the thing anyway, and and so on and so forth.
So I think unfortunately, I think, you know, there's been
a lot of discussion in the legal community about the
footnote and Bruin that talked about permitting processes and how
you know, may issue is perfectly fine, and you know, well, okay,
now we're talking about an acquisition permit. That's different. But
I think there is going to be a lot of
(37:34):
fighting over that footnote in the future in these permit
cases that deal with acquisitions.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
As you know, it relates to that.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
And then of course long term, you see it already
in the permitting context as far as carry permits, you know,
delays fees, and we've been a part of lawsuits for
that and are continuing to look at this.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Even though the environment is better now, it doesn't really
mean it's like, oh, we're going to relax at all.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
It's unfortuncently, this is never going to end. And that's
what I keep telling people. There is no winning. There's
just taking a little piece of the pie back and
then you're fighting over the next step over that piece
of pie, and it's just going to continuously be that right.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's just it is always going to be here because
there is a group out there that absolutely wants to
end all ownership, all privateership and guns. And to not
understand that is to hide your head in the sand.
That is absolutely real. Let's do this atam. When we
come back, I gotta take a quick break here. I
want to talk a little bit about a thing that's
coming up. It's called the g RPC Sure Gun Rights
(38:36):
Policy Conference, going to be held in Salt Lake City
this year, which is very accessible to an awful lot
of people, and so we'll talk about that, and also
if you want to go find out more about what's
going on saf dot org. Yes or second amend the
foundation can find out the cases that are going on.
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will be right back. All right, we're back part with
(39:20):
Adam Crowd from the Second Moon Foundation. Adam, before you
get out of rugerbums, you got to go take a
look at their new suppressures that they're doing with dead Air.
I know that you really like suppressors. You like things
that go baying. Actually, you like things that go bang quickly,
don't you.
Speaker 10 (39:34):
I mean guns are cool, silencers are cool, like all
the things that make you like.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
All that stuff. Yeah, they think of you. Oh yeah,
he's that second member of attorney. Well that part's true.
I actually shoot guns, but you actually shoot guns too. Yeah,
it's crazy, which is unlike some attorneys. I just gonna say, Okay,
so you.
Speaker 10 (39:50):
Know the Dead Air is one of saff's corporate partners,
so we were true, we were excited to see that.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I think it's a natural making.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
And I was actually talking to Ernie from Dead Air
outside the booth before I came back here, and I'd
seen their email the other day about that, So you know.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
What did you guys do? And I only caught one.
I was.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
I was in the car when I looked at this
email and shouldn't do that, but I did see they
had a thirty cow cannon went oh Ruger American natural
pairing there, and then they have a twenty two as well,
and you have the Mark four, So I'm like, wow,
that's that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Mark board is a great silence.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
So.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I mean, honestly, I've told people, get a Mark four,
put a dot on it, and put a can on it,
and now you got your great starter gun for everybody.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah, a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You can start anybody out. I don't care all they
are or how much there may be a little bit
recoil sensitive. It's just not a thing, dude.
Speaker 10 (40:39):
I love shooting twenty two still, like I I you know,
they're just fun.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
And relative to everything else, it's cheap.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Yeah, that's sure deal. So and if people want to
talk about guns with you, they could come to Salt
Lake City in September at the Gun Rights Policy Conference,
which oh yeah, by the way, people, it's free. Unbelievable
people could come there and it's free, and you're going
to get to rub shoulders with the movers and shakers
of the Second Amendment movement. So talk about what's going
(41:06):
on this year.
Speaker 10 (41:06):
Yeah, So there'll be a lot of exciting people, not me,
but they'll be exciting people there. And you know grp
SE it's the fortieth annual event for that. We have,
you know, everybody from the lawyers that are litigating these cases,
to the scholars that have done the original research, to
various people that work within the legislatures, you know, as
(41:27):
far as the state groups are concerned lobby. Yeah, and
you know, I'll throw back to last year. I'm not
going to give away too much yet. We're still in
the process of planning this year's agenda. But last year
we had a fireside chat with some state legislatures, state
legislators from various states to talk about, you know, how
they they do things to give a little more insight
(41:47):
as to you know, to the public as to how
they work.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
How this works, and also what says how you can
be more effected in dealing with your state legislators to
either get goods things to have understand bad things from happening.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
Correct, yep, you know what do they pay attention to?
What are they doing in their various states. We had
Daryl Aisa, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee of
the you know, the Federal House of Representatives. You give
a keynote address and then a fireside chat after that.
So one of the things that we did last year
was we completely changed the flow and dynamic of the event.
(42:22):
We decided, you know now that we were actually planning
it and taking it away from some legacy people in
the organization as we're transitioning things to try something new.
And what we found was that people really liked it.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
So we're going to be repeating that.
Speaker 10 (42:33):
Formula to a degree this year with some additional changes
and things like that. But it's a you know, it
starts on Friday night with a reception. Saturday, it's an
all day event with a reception in the evening and
then Sunday there's a half day, so it's a good
way to spend a you know, weekend with people if
you care about gun rights, to get a little better educated,
to meet some of those big names that you may
(42:54):
see on the internet that you may want to go
shake their hand and tell them you know what you
think of them.
Speaker 9 (43:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Absolutely, And all the information is at saf dot org
slash g r PC slash g r PC. You can
just go there and you can sign up, you can
find out what everything's going on. And also you're gonna
be as we get closer, you announce a little bit
more about who the speakers are and things like that.
Speaker 10 (43:14):
Yep, as we start, as we start to get the
people in the agenda, we'll start to roll that out
sooner rather than later so that way people know who's
going to be there. But we're working actively to identify
speakers for this year and send them invitations. We've already
gotten a handful back. We're just waiting to build a
little bit more of a repository before we start rolling
them out so we can promote it more makes sense.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Saf dot org slash g r p C. That'll get
you there, Adam, thanks so much more. It's a pleasure
in thanks for having don't go far. We're still at
the NRA annual meetings in the River food and I
will be right back
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