October 19, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour: Ryan Gresham, Chris Cerino, and Kevin Jarnigan host.
Guest Kenny Barlow - Regal Products
-- Safety products and Veterans Affairs safety initiatives
-- Chris Cerino competing at the NRA World Shooting Championship
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Guest Kenny Barlow - Regal Products
-- Safety products and Veterans Affairs safety initiatives
-- Chris Cerino competing at the NRA World Shooting Championship
Gun Talk 10.19.25 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk Coast to coast. For
thirty years, we've been on the air talking about guns.
And you are hearing this. This is real life. You're
driving around your car going, wait, what's happening right now?
But maybe you just tune in because you are a
gun nut like us nut in the best way possible.
But yeah, we talk about guns. We'll talk about self defense,
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we'll talk about gun rights, we'll talk about favorite guns, shooting, hunting,
self defense. All those things are up for grabs on
gun Talk. And I'm your host, Ryan Gresham, filling in
for Tom today. So if you're saying that doesn't sound
like Tom, well you know, he let us take the
reins because he is on a mountain somewhere trying to
hunt things. And we're doing this from the Gun Talk
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headquarters in the Gun Talk Nation studio, so we're filming it,
which is not the usual thing. So if you want
to go watch this, you can go watch it on
gun Talk's YouTube, Facebook, x anywhere that you can find
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and find us there. So thanks for listening, thanks for
tuning in. We have a lot of fun friends in
(01:23):
the gun industry. It's one of the best industries because
it's just the people. It's great people. It's like minded people,
and you get to know these folks for a long
time and they kind of become family. And one of
those people is Kenny Barlow. Kenny, welcome in, man.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'm a I love your visual element, but as a
guy with a face for radio, I'm disappointed this is
how you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Got filming this? Yes, this is radio. Well, everything's filmed now.
I mean, you know, I love the people saying I
was watching this podcast the other day. I'm like, really,
how do you do that? Because a podcast is like
an audio thing, right, No, it's everything is mixed.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So, Kenny, you are a guy who's been in the
gun industry for what a couple.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Decades or so roughly, yeah, twenty years?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah yeah, okay, so been around seeing some things and
right now you're over at Regal Products, which Regal Products
tell people what you guys do and then you have
a kind of a cool program going on right now.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah. Absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Regal Products is the biggest company every gun owner has
never heard of. We are the largest manufacturer of firearm
safety devices in the world. So if you have bought
a gun in the last thirty years, you've gotten one
of our cable locks. You've seen it in the little
wrapping with the instruction manual and everything. It's the fifteen
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inch cable lock.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's us. You know, seven out of ten times it's us.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
There's a couple other companies that do them as well,
but that's what we've been doing and now for thirty years,
is providing firearm safety devices. With our relationships with the
oem brands or with the manufacturers. What that has done
is broadened into soft sided goods like cases and whatever.
So odds are you've probably gotten your hands on one
(03:07):
of our cases because it came with a gun that
you bought. Marketing premiums and stuff given out as shows
and whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But now we're getting into the twenty first century in
terms of firearm safety devices, and we've branched out into
some more electronic offerings. The one that you will listen
we're alluding to was this thing we're doing with the
VA with our secure me product. Secure Me is a
we partnered with a company called Occupy, and it's just
a movement sensing device kind of looks like an air tag,
(03:41):
and all it does is has an accelerometer and when
it senses movement, it pings your phone, your smartphone through
an app. No tracking, no big brother, but it's just
an early notification warning kind of thing. And then what
we've done, since we're the lock guys, is we embedded
it into our cable and trigger locks and have bundled
that all the gain there, so you can use it
on its own and you can use it in one
(04:03):
of our locks.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So like in case somebody's not like grasping, because there's
a lot of stuff happening here. How would a gun
owner use this? How would the regular guy incorporate this
into into their security? Uh strategy?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
No good question.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So there's a variety of uses and use cases, and
in fact, every time we present this at a show,
we get more and more use cases that people think of.
But you know, you you can use them inside the lock.
If you're the traditional gunlock people, you can put your
put it in a trigger lock and put the trigger
lock on your pistol or or your rifle.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Same with the cable lock.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
But then you can actually use Like I said, you
could use the product without the lock, so you could
put it, say on your safe door or your gun
room door, liquor cabinet. I had a guy at an
NRA ask if you could put it on his kid's window.
You know, so anything that you want to you think
would be useful to be notified of movement, you can
implement it. Another another use case someone said they were
(05:00):
going to use it to put on their their elderly
parents' medicine bottles. Oh wow, because there's a there's a
log in the inside the apps. You can see when
there's a timestamp for all the all the movements detection
and so, uh, their their parent forgets to take their medicine,
so they can check this log to see if the
pill bottle has been moved.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, so, I mean you kind of you're taking the
old school way. You had all these cable locks, you've
been doing forever, and people everybody has a cable lock
and probably it's one of yours. Now you have the
movement incorporated in there. And then what's this new program
you guys are doing with the VA.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So one of the things that we have done for
for years now with the VA is we are the
primary vendor for their suicide prevention program. So we provide
our cable locks with the nine to eight eight press
one for veteran messaging on it for the VA, and
they have this really awesome pro program called Mission Daybreak,
(05:59):
and Mission Daybreak is expressly to find in companies that
are innovating in the firearm safety space and so you
can apply for a grant or contract with them to
pilot your products. And so we are in a contract
with the VA's pilot program with secure Me to see
the to gather feedback on the product and its use
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is inside the veteran care community and see if this
is a product worth folding into their toolbox of firearm
safety devices that the VA can offer to veterans.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So okay, so I mean so veterans, how would they
Because you guys are needing people to participate in the program,
is that right?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
We had?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
We are full on phase one. We are hoping that
the VIA green.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Lights to Phase two, which is a very big subset
of veterans that we're gonna need help with, so fingers
crossed on that. We actually are full up on the
Phase one program, which is awesome. We just completed that
at the Military Influencer Conference. So the product is having
interviews conducted right now and it's sort of like.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
A focus group.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So the veterans are getting it trying it out for
a week, and we partner with the University of Colorado
to do to keep the survey unbiased, and they're going
to provide us all the feedback, tell us what they like,
tell us if they hated it. We want all that
feedback so that we can actually implement the changes in
the product to make something that would be conducive for
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the VA.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And of course there's always people who are these studies
are important, but there's always people who are concerned about
the anonymity of it and some of those questions and concerns.
And you were telling me you guys have addressed.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
A lot of that, Yeah, and that's actually part of it.
Is the reason why we are using the university is
to keep their anonymity because the university itself has what
it's called an institutional Review Board, and it is basically
a independent body at the university that prevents ethics violations
as it relates to using the survey data. So we
are not connecting the survey, we get no personal information.
(08:02):
We're not even allowed to know who is being interviewed,
and so it's they hide all that information. It's not
being turned over to anybody. We are just getting the
feedback from the university.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And they are.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Actually held to legislative standards in terms of the data handling.
So there's all these data use agreements in there. So
there that's why we actually use them is to prevent
any of that. They use a special software that is
that satisfies certain regulatory requirements for data handling and on
privacy and all that.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Got it nice. Well, it's a good, good program, and
it's something that you know, the mental health aspect of
all these things. People probably don't realize how much the
gun industry and gun community are very active in trying
to help in dealing with the mental health issues that
are going on out there and being very proactive. Katie
(08:56):
changing gears. We've we've been having all these discussions about
different questions we've been putting out on the gun Talk
social media, gun Talk, Facebook, we put a bunch of
questions out there and we had a bunch of responses.
One that was kind of just a fun question and
for people listening, you know, go over to the gun
Talk Facebook or and chime in and give us your thoughts.
(09:17):
But the question is this, how many guns and how
much AMMO constitutes an arsenal finger quotes arsenal arsenal.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean there's so many ways to answer that.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
There's the obviously tongue in cheek inside the industry, who's asking, right,
Oh that question?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
First one from Ron on Facebook, total amount I have
is nobody's business? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
No, it's that's like.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know, talking about like surveys, that's the you have.
You know, how many guns do you have in your home?
And it's like you know, there's like here's a number,
and here's a number. And then like the third most
popular answer is none of your business.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
None of your business?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I man, what would cost you
an arsenal.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I I some would look at my collection and probably go,
you had that's an arsenal.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, the amount of a Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Because because when it comes out in the news, it's
like they they they confiscated ten guns and a thousand
rounds of ammunition. It was an arsenal. And the one
the question I have is like, for these publicity photos,
who's the person who displays these because they're like especially,
I mean, now we're making fun of this because most
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gun owners own thousands of rounds of ammunition. Because if
you come to a class at our place for a
three day class, you're gonna need probably close to one
thousand rounds of ammunition, right, Chris, So, I mean that's
just that's just a three day class. It's not that
much ammo really, And then we talk about all different
types of guns that you have for for competition or
(10:59):
for long ring shooting, or for self defense, for concealed carry.
So yeah, if your hobby is is this, you end
up with plenty of guns and ammunition. But the fact
that they over use this whole arsenal thing is basically
the question is poking fun at that. But I want
to know who is the person at the department who
has to fan out the money and has to like
(11:22):
arrange the guns, and do they have like do they
have like who's who's deciding this Chris, is you know
this is the public information officer.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I don't know. It's all done for dramatic effects. We
already know that if you've got a semi automatic.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Pistol and five hundred rounds of ammunition, that's an arsenal.
I mean it sounds, it sounds menacing, does it? A
semi automatic handgun and five hundred rounds of ammunition and
inside that safe was thirty thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, because you know, sometimes you just because some people
like to save a little cash, because you're active on
Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
The whole thing that sets it up, Kenny, if you
think about it, is what did you do that someone
was in your safe taking your arsenal and your ammo's
and finally your cash.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, don't be that guy where they you're like, I
only had fifteen guns, and they're like, but why are
they having to confiscate your guns? Kenny?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
The root cause of why they're there taking photos of
your arsenal in the first place is probably the thing
that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
If you're if you're arguing whether or not it's an arsenal.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You've already you were already too far, man, I'd lawyer up, Like,
if we're having this conversation, lawyer.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Up is what i'd say, Kenny, why are you using
your one call to call me to complain that they're
called it an arsenal? Need to call a lawyer?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Hey, Ryan, this is my one call question. What is
considered an arsenal asking for a friend?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, dude, hang up at me and calling your attorney?
What are you doing right now?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I do like some of the comments, though, whatever it is,
I surely don't have enough for that label yet. It's
always just one more. They just need one more.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole the whole thing is
if you know how much, Like I don't know how
much nine millimeter I have. I don't know how many
guns I have. I don't know how much twenty.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Two I have.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Arsenal enough to arm a garrison at least now I
have okay, garrison?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
How much.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Is what is that?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's the goal you want? If they come to your house,
they're like, they go beyond arsenal. They say this was
like enough guns and ammo for a garrison.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yes, and now I.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Has to google Garrison and figure out what are they
talking about?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Crossed the line, sir, All right, if I can, but
hold on, we have to take a break.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
All right, Welcome back to gun Talk. Talking with Kenny
Barlow from Regal Products. Kenny, we were talking about this
whole concept of like how many guns and how much
AMMO is an arsenal You hear this on the news.
They confiscated an arsenal of weapons at this guy's house,
And most times for gun owners were kind of kind
of chuckling because we're like, that's not that many guns. Now,
(16:37):
knowing that you did used to work for North American
Arms for a while, do you think like if you
had like twenty mini revolvers, would they call that an arsenal?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Because I think it's a big box, right. I think
the rule is for many revolvers to a single full
sized pistol. So yeah, so's it's five full sized guns.
So I don't think that counts as an arsenal.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
No, kJ, you have thoughts on the arsenal deal, I
do have thoughts.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
You go and read these comments and they're great comments,
and there's a lot of funny ones, but like I
can tell that a guy went in there and goes,
what I have is nobody's business.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
We're not asking that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We're just asking for a ballpark number here.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
We're not like saying, hey, could you tell us what's
in your safe right now?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And one of my favorite comments was like, oh yeah,
good luck, fed boy.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I mean, we're not going there nice, just.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Try fed I promise we're not those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We just want to want to hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Well, some people just aren't funny, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, it would be surprising if somebody answered, well,
I actually owned twenty illegal machine guns like hey man.
Also just a word of advice. I wouldn't put that
on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
No, I turn him in, That's what I would do.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
I want to know how many they got, and I
want to go or come on.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Now, my uncle brought this back from the Vietnam War,
and do you think it's fil auto?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Do you think it's.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay for me to own like I know, no.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Wear that in the backyard? What that's where I go?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I don't know what he talking about.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I didn't hear you. And then this one, this one
is really good. All right, Kenny has it? You have
to tell them what you think of this comment from
Joshua Albans. He says, I've got a McDonald's straw and
an entire role of Charman extra tough. I think that
should constitute as a full blown arsenal.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
That is a third grader's arsenal.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, transported back to my childhood.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
But it's funny or funny. Yes, some people are not.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Oh well or not now here it is. Some of
these people are getting very specific.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
With oh yeah, very very specific.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
And Mark Mellan he says, he says the same as
assault rifle.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's a made up word.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
How much? How much flower constitutes a pantry? What are
you a full on baker? Are you going pro?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah? That's that.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Actually, that's an interesting question, like does you know from
a if you're thinking about the the I guess the
philosophical or technical aspect of what an arsenal is like
if you start your collection, is that there is the
intent to gain an arsenal? Like are you adding to
the arsenal? Like is it a Is it an adjective
to describe all of your gun collection, no matter how
small or how bit?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, at what point have you crossed into arsenal territory here?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean collection, different deal.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
But they do say he had a small arsenal. Sometimes
they say a small arsenal. I think that I'd be
offended if somebody arsenal. Hey, it's not that small, it's
not that fall.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
First of all, it's not the size that counts.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Look, I've got a six inch staccato like one gun
and one round of AMMO. He had a small arsenal.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
It is very small arsenal.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Right, all those mini revolvers would constant a small arsenal.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, yes, you figured it out at a small arsenal.
Large arsenal would be a fifty cow.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, jeez, many revolves. I want to have enough guns
to outfit a brigade.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
A brigade that is.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
There was a comment on there just that said exactly that.
So what would be what would be the word they
would describe for your arsenal?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Would they say it's a stockpile?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
They would say I had enough for a regiment.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
He had enough for his family. That's the goal. Yeah,
I have enough to get by.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Yeah, I definitely hate it, right, Yeah, I would say
that They would probably used.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
The word stockpile.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Upon my arrast, the word stockpile will likely come up.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Where did you have call?
Speaker 8 (21:13):
They?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
All? Right?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
But lastly, this is the important part because Kenny and
I have a back and forth going nineties music Okay,
nineties music, nineties song nineties band that is underappreciated, underappreciated,
underappreciated nineties song nineties.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Band, nineties uh underappreciated. I go blues Traveler's Hook, Oh,
best harmonica solo on the radio, because it's the only.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Harmonica solo on the radio pretty much.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Well right, there's two real quick points on that is one,
it means nothing. The song is literally about people becoming
fans of and he wrote like it's the most absurd song.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It means nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
And then also the song is actually transposed in canon D.
It's if you listen to music, it's actually of Bell's cannon.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
We've opened up a can of worms.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Kenny.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's always good to have you on. I regret asking
the question, but I don't thank you. We will see
you next time. We'll be right back. They still haven't
kicked us off the air. It's remarkable, thirty years of
(22:24):
national syndication across the country talking about guns, gun rights,
self defense, hunting, gun nerdery, favorite guns, favorite calibers. And
we are filling in for Tom this week because he's
off doing hunting things again. I mean this is what
he does now, kJ He just goes and hunts the country.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Oh, he's living my life.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
He is living it's time there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So for those who are listening to this, this is
also a podcast. So if you go, oh, that's cool guns.
I didn't know there was a show about guns out there.
Just find gun Talk wherever you listen to podcasts. Look
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hosted by Tom. You've got that there. We've got gun
Talk Nation, which is my show. We've got kj's show,
gun Talk Hunt, and lots of good content. Lots of
(23:15):
good content.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
It's unreal how much this little office puts out, Like
every time, I'm shocked about new stuff coming out. And
we've got more announcements coming up that we can't divulge
too much on.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But a lot of new things coming down.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
There a lot of new things coming up. But Chris,
you went on a bit of a road trip this
past week or week and a half or so, and
so I want to kind of get the updates because
you did two things. You went to the World Shooting
Championship and you also attended an Aimpoint event. So World
(23:48):
Shooting Championship, this is something that's one of your favorites.
Tell people what this match is.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
It's my yearly sabbatical. The only time I've missed it
is once for cancer. That was the very first one,
and then of course during the COVID times because you.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Know, everything got canceled.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Everything got canceled. So yeah, I went up.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
This is the second year it's been at Camp Atterbury,
the NRA's World Shooting Championships. Uh, and it was lightly
attended because last year's World Shooting Championships were bad.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
The weather was.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Weather, time of the year was awful, the coordination was awful.
It was the first time they brought the match back after.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
People it's hard to put on a bill. It's a
big match, so many logistics involved.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
So needless to say, there was a lot of things
that were unpalatable about last year's. This year, the NRA
they knew it. Everybody knew it. That's why there wasn't
so many people there. But listen, they knocked it out
of park this year.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
The stages were.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Amazing, the coordination was amazing, the timing was amazing, The
prize tables were well laid out. And if if you
want to win guns and you've got some skills, you
could walk away with guns.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that. So explain to
people what the World Shooting Championship is. What's the premise
of the event.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Well, the World Shooting Championship is like Top Shot in
a weekend. So it's twelve different shooting disciplines. Four you
shoot four a day for three days, and you shoot
everything from sporting clays to feed tasks to long range
precision you know, PRS and then twenty two PRS, USPSAIDPA,
(25:35):
Cowboy Action, Biathlon, airguns, air pistol, bulls eye one handed,
NRA bulls eye gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So normally this is a very unique event. Normally people go,
I did a uspsa speed pistol shooting match or sporting
clays match, but this is all of it, and you
have to you have to be good at all of
them to finish at the top.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah, And this year they incorporated the ARC the America's
Rifle Challenge that Enery's coming out with, and they did
the state Level one cool, which is just the rifle,
and then they also did Level three which is two gun,
which I had a really good time at and I
missed both my sider shots before I shot that, and
then I went one for one with on all the
(26:21):
long range targets.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
What was doing all these different types of disciplines. I know,
you don't shoot all of them normally, No, most of them.
You don't shoot normally shoot.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Any of this stuff. But what were on TV? Ryan,
like the guys sold the magic of TV?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Are those shots really your shots?
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Like?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, actually, we don't really doctor it up too much.
You know, what was the what was the most surprising,
the most fun was? What were some of the events
that stood out to you?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Well?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
And then they're side matches, so you know, companies like
Keltech put on a side match with their sub two thousand,
and then Mosburg had a side match with their Jerry
Mentional like twelve Gage, you know, the three gun shotgun Man.
What was my favorite? I can't tell you, honestly. My
favorites generally like the cowboy action because of stuff that
(27:12):
I never get to do, work in a single action pistol.
And I'll ask you, guys, for everybody that's watching and listening,
did you see me practice anything before I left?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
Never?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Ever?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
No, right, I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
But it's those solid fundamentals, you know. And of course
I've done the stuff and I know how to work guns.
But yeah, I'll tell you what I'm gonna work on
for next year. I'm gonna work on getting in position
a little bit better around the PRS barricade. I want
to get more stable, faster. I am going to work
on my one handed shooting. I've got some new ideas
from what I learned with Aimpoint when we were there.
(27:49):
I was there, and I'm also going to work on
my biathlon, my shooting with my my ten twenty two
at fifty yards on a three inch plate.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Because you've got to be really accurate with that.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And well, they make you.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
They make you carry this stuff across the range and
you got to put it in a box and you
step up your gun, you chamber it, and then you go.
Am I hitting my microphone Michael? Or am I just sure?
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Sorry? But here I think three times.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The thing that you and I were talking about is
it is called the World Chewing Championship, and it sounds daunting,
but for anyone listening to this.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Well they got an amateur division, right, there's.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
An amateur division. It's an annual thing and you can
just show up. You don't have to qualify. I mean
you can, is that right? You can pay your money
and go.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It was I think it was four hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
I don't know if it was the same Frams as
it was for pros, but they didn't. One of the
cool things this year was they didn't sell Mulligan's to
the pros and they didn't give the amateurs a mulligan.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
So what you shot was what you got.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So four hundred and fifty bucks, you show up, all
of the gun and ammunition are provided.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Right. Yeah, we're gonna talk about what I want when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, we'll talk about it because I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
I mean, because a lot of people are gonna be
scared for by four and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I know, four and fifty bucks. But you show up,
it's all done for you and you get to shoot
these twelve different stages. Like you said, it's kind of
like Top Shot in three days time, where you get
to do these really cool stages, shoot these really cool
guns that maybe you don't usually shoot, and hang out
with a lot of good people. So it's something that
is open to the public and people could consider. But
(29:30):
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Speaker 2 (31:53):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk Talking with Chris Reno
and Kevin john Agan teamgun Talk. We're filling in for
Tom this week and we're talking about the INNRA World
Shooting Championships. And you just got back from Chris. Twelve stages,
twelve different disciplines shotguns, air, pistol, regular pistol, long range rifle.
I mean all these and all of it, all of it.
(32:16):
So you love it because I think one of the
reasons Chris likes the kJ is because he usually does
pretty well in it.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yes, he does well in it, and he should because
he presses a good trigger like and he has good fundamentals,
And I think that's what it all comes down to.
The people who do well in those competitions. It's not
that they know how to play the game, because you
can get really used to an NRL Hunter game and
you understand the PRS side of things, and it's kind
of a game and I'm gaming it, But I feel
(32:45):
like the World Championships is.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
More broad than that. You can't game it. You've got
to be solid. I mean, pick up any gun and
be able to shoot it.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
My advice to everyone this year was just get your hits.
You got a part time one hundred and twenty seconds,
whatever your part time.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Is, get your hits. Yeah, because they increased it was great.
I loved what Dan and A did this year. Guys.
You knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Inside one hundred yards ten second penalty, outside one hundred
yards twenty second penalty for a mess.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So take your time again.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
You're gonna spend an extra three seconds to aim, or
you're gonna encour a twenty second penalty because if they
give you ten targets, you can get ten bullets.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah, it's not like you get to miss. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Wow, So how'd you do?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I did?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
This was my best finish. But here again, remember I
said a lot of people didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Stop stop, they were right. There were now one hundred
people now there.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
I don't I don't like that, Like I don't like
when you do that, you're like setting up like, well,
there are good shooters there, there are good amateurs there.
Like the competition that shows up, like to those matches,
it's no joke from top to bottom. So like, it
doesn't matter how many people enter, there's good people in there,
(33:58):
and you've finished really high.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Proud of that.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I am proud of it.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
I did double better then there was half the people,
so I came out tenth.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Normally I come in around twentieth. It's all averages out.
But my stick kJ.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Is that I am consistent. I am consistently mediocre. I
don't practice anything. I don't I don't go there when
I go there to vet my skills and the skills and.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
That I teach people.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Well, here's the thing they skills that on their website
it says two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in cash
and prizes, So there were a lot of prizes available
and for those who've never attended a shooting match. Chris
explain how the prize table works.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, they just call you off in order and in order.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So first place goes to walk through and they pick
first of all these different guns and optics and prizes
that are on.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Everything that you use and shoot at that match is
on the prize table.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So you walked through and what did you pick up?
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Well, I was tenth place this year, so I and
I always take a gun. I always take a gun,
and it's usually a really good gun. But this year
our walk past some of the other higher dollar value
items and I took a really beautiful over under weather
Be because weatherb sponsored one of these. It's the first
time Weatherby's done it. And I was enamored with the
(35:23):
shotgun Number one, for the way it looked and felt.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Number two I shot lights out with it.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
And we shot that gun and it's a nice thirty
inch thirty had really and they're ported. I mean it's
a twelve gage shotgun. But when you shoot it, it
just feels it almost feels like when you shoot a
rifle that has an incredible comp on it, and there's
like where's the recoil, there's there's a real Yeah, it'soop.
(35:52):
It's just not all right. But then you left there
and you went to an aim Point event where it
was a one day training event, but you picked up
some things the endpoint of that.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Yeah, you know what I have. I have great respect
fame Point. They've been doing great things. They make great products.
I still have one of their original micros. I think
it's an H one, not even a T one, and
that thing always has worked well for me. But you know,
I've never really cared for the acro because it looks
like they call it the mailbox.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
It's a big gets stick.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
But now they got the CoA, the CoA, which you
know stands for nothing. I asked him, I said, what
does the CoA? What does this cola stand for? He
said nothing, It means nothing. We just had to come
up with something and put it together.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's like Thesani. By the way, it's means nothing.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
It's going to be the easiest segment we ever do
when we do a piece with it, so we don't
have to remember anything.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
So anyway, same size window. That was cool. It goes
in like a ski boot goes into a ski binding.
That's how it works.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
It goes in and down, but then you have to
you screw the back end down. So folks, listen, and
if you're interested in what it is and how it works.
They call it an a cut still not available to
the public only through glock right now, but it's going
to happen, and when it does happen, it's probably gonna
be one of the greatest things going.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's a really good way to mount a red dot
on a pistol.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Question.
Speaker 14 (37:16):
Yeah, is that the Is that the precursor to everybody
standardizing the footprint of optics for mounting on pistols?
Speaker 7 (37:26):
It very well could be, because it is a base
cut that keeps.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
It very, very low.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
All you've done is created a wedge on the front
so it goes in, it clips down, a tail on
the back so when it clips in, except it doesn't
clip in, you screw the thing back down so there's
no forces exerted on the screws.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh really, Okay, and.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Now I learned some shooting tips too, Okay, what you learn? Yeah,
I learned here. I learned something that Listen.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
You know I'm gonna be switching the red dots here
pretty soon because I can't see nothing.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Wait, this is ground.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And everybody Chris Threno said he's gonna start using red
dots on I heard it.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
Yes, you're hear it here first, folks, you're hearing it
right here first, because everybody that listens to Tom always says, well,
I already know from listening on Tom's show.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You can't stand well, it's our joke with Chris. He's like, look,
I don't like red dots. I mean I shoot better
with them. I shoot more accurately and faster with them.
I just don't like them, but they do keep getting
better and better and better.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Well, the deal is this, I found out. This is
gonna be the pointer. I know we're running out of
time right now. So the smaller the dot, the more
you have a tendency to try to aim with the
dot rather than just put it out in front of
you and target focus. So hence our new class, our
next class coming up with the cold Yeah, six and more.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Am I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
And the bigger the dot, the less less problem you.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Have with a nice stigmatism.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Totally okay, good tips. We're gonna we're gonna keep talking
about this because red dots and pistols are hot, and
would you start a new shooter with iron or just
go straight to the dot. We'll be back with more
gun talk. All right, welcome back to gun Talk. We're
talking about red dots with Chris Soreno Kevin Johnagan filling
(39:15):
in for Tom this week. And Chris, you were at
an aim Point event and learning some things, and I
threw it out there right as we were going to
break because it's something we were talking about, is a
brand new shooter. And we had a pistol Essentials Pistol
Skills class. I'm messing upthing. Essential skills, Essential pistol skills.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
I believe we had.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
One at the this past weekend at Range Ready, our
our training division here, and the question is would you
start a brand new shooter, do they need to learn
irons or do you just give them a red dot
and let them learn that and because that's what they're
gonna be running going forward.
Speaker 7 (39:56):
Okay, So for me, I was kind of upset that
the boy put Peyton into a into a red dot
right off the bat, because she she whatever reason, a
girl who came here and she had twenty two it's
one of our camera guy's daughters.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
She should have been learning how to shoot iron sights.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Or should she or because here's my thoughts, kJ and
I want to hear what you think. So red dot
true target focused shooting to terrible habit to look at
the target with iron sights right right, iron sights. You
got to look at the sites, don't look at the target.
You got to trust that what you're doing is right,
(40:34):
and then you can look at the target right wrong.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Don't look at the target, just focus on the Because so.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
We could argue like, well, it's a good skill to
know how to run a shoot the butun with irons?
Is that like saying, I mean it's a good skill
know how to ride a horse because your car might
break down.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Well no, I don't know if I would. I don't know.
They funny think about.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
But I mean you just hey, you just hop on
the horse right and it does the thing?
Speaker 13 (41:04):
You know?
Speaker 5 (41:05):
But horse do the thing? The thing or go.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Right? Okay, I thought a sound.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
You want to see instant gratification. Everybody's learning something new
once they see some instant gratification, right, They want to
see some performance. So with a red dot, can you
can you truly focus on the target and be like,
oh yeah, I'm gonna put it right there and maybe
get them there and then you don't develop that that
that peaky, peaky habit over the site.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No I think no, No, So I think.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
It's peaky have it.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
I think I think what like what you're saying is
is that if they end up going back to iron
sights after seeing their success with red dots, is it
going to be tough for them for them to learn
irons rather than transitioning them into red dots. And I
think it is harder because I'm still shooting iron sites
(42:00):
because Chris got on to me and he said, no,
you're going to shoot iron sights because I want you
to learn the process before going to something that's a
little bit easier.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
But I'm afraid I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
But here's the big but here's the giant butt in
the room is I want new shooters to have success
and I want them to really sit.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Well, that's a good point, right, because you're going to
get better quicker shooting a red dot on a pistol.
Yeah right, you kind of agree. I think you're going
to get better quicker because you don't have like a
you don't have a habit you're trying to break with
looking for these.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Sect isn't caused by poor system.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It's also less to explain. We talk about the rear
site and the front site, and wearing the front site
in the rear site, and making sure you have equal
it on both sides, and making sure that the front
site's not you know, it's it's equal, it's level with
the top of the sides. You don't have to say
any of those things. The red dot. You see the dot,
you put it on the target, and you press the
(43:04):
trigger without moving the dot. That's all you have to
do em A four year old could understand put the
dot on the target and press the trigger.
Speaker 7 (43:13):
I know, that's what I just asked. Am I wrong?
I don't know what to think anymore? I know, I
don't know what to think anymore. And the and the
reason I'm thinking about at all is because I just
can't see well.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And that's why Chris is going to be shooting a
red dot very soon. A lot of people who shoot
red dots are not just the young cool kids. It's
the guys like us who the eyes are game not
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parents' medicine bottles. Oh wow, because there's a there's a
log in the inside the apps. You can see when
there's a timestamp for all the all the movements detection
and so, uh, their their parent forgets to take their medicine,
so they can check this log to see if the
pill bottle has been moved.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, so, I mean you kind of you're taking the
old school way. You had all these cable locks, you've
been doing forever, and people everybody has a cable lock
and probably it's one of yours. Now you have the
movement incorporated in there. And then what's this new program
you guys are doing with the VA.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So one of the things that we have done for
for years now with the VA is we are the
primary vendor for their suicide prevention program. So we provide
our cable locks with the nine to eight eight press
one for veteran messaging on it for the VA, and
they have this really awesome pro program called Mission Daybreak,
(05:59):
and Mission Daybreak is expressly to find in companies that
are innovating in the firearm safety space and so you
can apply for a grant or contract with them to
pilot your products. And so we are in a contract
with the VA's pilot program with secure Me to see
the to gather feedback on the product and its use
(06:20):
is inside the veteran care community and see if this
is a product worth folding into their toolbox of firearm
safety devices that the VA can offer to veterans.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So okay, so I mean so veterans, how would they
Because you guys are needing people to participate in the program,
is that right?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
We had?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
We are full on phase one. We are hoping that
the VIA green.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Lights to Phase two, which is a very big subset
of veterans that we're gonna need help with, so fingers
crossed on that. We actually are full up on the
Phase one program, which is awesome. We just completed that
at the Military Influencer Conference. So the product is having
interviews conducted right now and it's sort of like.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
A focus group.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
So the veterans are getting it trying it out for
a week, and we partner with the University of Colorado
to do to keep the survey unbiased, and they're going
to provide us all the feedback, tell us what they like,
tell us if they hated it. We want all that
feedback so that we can actually implement the changes in
the product to make something that would be conducive for
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the VA.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And of course there's always people who are these studies
are important, but there's always people who are concerned about
the anonymity of it and some of those questions and concerns.
And you were telling me you guys have addressed.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
A lot of that, Yeah, and that's actually part of it.
Is the reason why we are using the university is
to keep their anonymity because the university itself has what
it's called an institutional Review Board, and it is basically
a independent body at the university that prevents ethics violations
as it relates to using the survey data. So we
are not connecting the survey, we get no personal information.
(08:02):
We're not even allowed to know who is being interviewed,
and so it's they hide all that information. It's not
being turned over to anybody. We are just getting the
feedback from the university.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And they are.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Actually held to legislative standards in terms of the data handling.
So there's all these data use agreements in there. So
there that's why we actually use them is to prevent
any of that. They use a special software that is
that satisfies certain regulatory requirements for data handling and on
privacy and all that.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Got it nice. Well, it's a good, good program, and
it's something that you know, the mental health aspect of
all these things. People probably don't realize how much the
gun industry and gun community are very active in trying
to help in dealing with the mental health issues that
are going on out there and being very proactive. Katie
(08:56):
changing gears. We've we've been having all these discussions about
different questions we've been putting out on the gun Talk
social media, gun Talk, Facebook, we put a bunch of
questions out there and we had a bunch of responses.
One that was kind of just a fun question and
for people listening, you know, go over to the gun
Talk Facebook or and chime in and give us your thoughts.
(09:17):
But the question is this, how many guns and how
much AMMO constitutes an arsenal finger quotes arsenal arsenal.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean there's so many ways to answer that.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
There's the obviously tongue in cheek inside the industry, who's asking, right,
Oh that question?
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
First one from Ron on Facebook, total amount I have
is nobody's business? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
No, it's that's like.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know, talking about like surveys, that's the you have.
You know, how many guns do you have in your home?
And it's like you know, there's like here's a number,
and here's a number. And then like the third most
popular answer is none of your business.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
None of your business?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. I man, what would cost you
an arsenal.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I I some would look at my collection and probably go,
you had that's an arsenal.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, the amount of a Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Because because when it comes out in the news, it's
like they they they confiscated ten guns and a thousand
rounds of ammunition. It was an arsenal. And the one
the question I have is like, for these publicity photos,
who's the person who displays these because they're like especially,
I mean, now we're making fun of this because most
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gun owners own thousands of rounds of ammunition. Because if
you come to a class at our place for a
three day class, you're gonna need probably close to one
thousand rounds of ammunition, right, Chris, So, I mean that's
just that's just a three day class. It's not that
much ammo really, And then we talk about all different
types of guns that you have for for competition or
(10:59):
for long ring shooting, or for self defense, for concealed carry.
So yeah, if your hobby is is this, you end
up with plenty of guns and ammunition. But the fact
that they over use this whole arsenal thing is basically
the question is poking fun at that. But I want
to know who is the person at the department who
has to fan out the money and has to like
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arrange the guns, and do they have like do they
have like who's who's deciding this Chris, is you know
this is the public information officer.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
I don't know. It's all done for dramatic effects. We
already know that if you've got a semi automatic.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Pistol and five hundred rounds of ammunition, that's an arsenal.
I mean it sounds, it sounds menacing, does it? A
semi automatic handgun and five hundred rounds of ammunition and
inside that safe was thirty thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, because you know, sometimes you just because some people
like to save a little cash, because you're active on
Facebook marketplace.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
The whole thing that sets it up, Kenny, if you
think about it, is what did you do that someone
was in your safe taking your arsenal and your ammo's
and finally your cash.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, don't be that guy where they you're like, I
only had fifteen guns, and they're like, but why are
they having to confiscate your guns? Kenny?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
The root cause of why they're there taking photos of
your arsenal in the first place is probably the thing
that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
If you're if you're arguing whether or not it's an arsenal.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You've already you were already too far, man, I'd lawyer up, Like,
if we're having this conversation, lawyer.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Up is what i'd say, Kenny, why are you using
your one call to call me to complain that they're
called it an arsenal? Need to call a lawyer?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Hey, Ryan, this is my one call question. What is
considered an arsenal asking for a friend?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, dude, hang up at me and calling your attorney?
What are you doing right now?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I do like some of the comments, though, whatever it is,
I surely don't have enough for that label yet. It's
always just one more. They just need one more.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole the whole thing is
if you know how much, Like I don't know how
much nine millimeter I have. I don't know how many
guns I have. I don't know how much twenty.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Two I have.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Arsenal enough to arm a garrison at least now I
have okay, garrison?
Speaker 5 (13:29):
How much.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Is what is that?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's the goal you want? If they come to your house,
they're like, they go beyond arsenal. They say this was
like enough guns and ammo for a garrison.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yes, and now I.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Has to google Garrison and figure out what are they
talking about?
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Crossed the line, sir, All right, if I can, but
hold on, we have to take a break.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
We'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (16:15):
All right, Welcome back to gun Talk. Talking with Kenny
Barlow from Regal Products. Kenny, we were talking about this
whole concept of like how many guns and how much
AMMO is an arsenal You hear this on the news.
They confiscated an arsenal of weapons at this guy's house,
And most times for gun owners were kind of kind
of chuckling because we're like, that's not that many guns. Now,
(16:37):
knowing that you did used to work for North American
Arms for a while, do you think like if you
had like twenty mini revolvers, would they call that an arsenal?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Because I think it's a big box, right. I think
the rule is for many revolvers to a single full
sized pistol. So yeah, so's it's five full sized guns.
So I don't think that counts as an arsenal.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
No, kJ, you have thoughts on the arsenal deal, I
do have thoughts.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
You go and read these comments and they're great comments,
and there's a lot of funny ones, but like I
can tell that a guy went in there and goes,
what I have is nobody's business.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
We're not asking that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We're just asking for a ballpark number here.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
We're not like saying, hey, could you tell us what's
in your safe right now?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And one of my favorite comments was like, oh yeah,
good luck, fed boy.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I mean, we're not going there nice, just.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Try fed I promise we're not those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We just want to want to hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Well, some people just aren't funny, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, it would be surprising if somebody answered, well,
I actually owned twenty illegal machine guns like hey man.
Also just a word of advice. I wouldn't put that
on Facebook.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
No, I turn him in, That's what I would do.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
I want to know how many they got, and I
want to go or come on.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Now, my uncle brought this back from the Vietnam War,
and do you think it's fil auto?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Do you think it's.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Okay for me to own like I know, no.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Wear that in the backyard? What that's where I go?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I don't know what he talking about.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I didn't hear you. And then this one, this one
is really good. All right, Kenny has it? You have
to tell them what you think of this comment from
Joshua Albans. He says, I've got a McDonald's straw and
an entire role of Charman extra tough. I think that
should constitute as a full blown arsenal.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
That is a third grader's arsenal.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, yeah, transported back to my childhood.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
But it's funny or funny. Yes, some people are not.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Oh well or not now here it is. Some of
these people are getting very specific.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
With oh yeah, very very specific.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
And Mark Mellan he says, he says the same as
assault rifle.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's a made up word.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
How much? How much flower constitutes a pantry? What are
you a full on baker? Are you going pro?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah? That's that.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Actually, that's an interesting question, like does you know from
a if you're thinking about the the I guess the
philosophical or technical aspect of what an arsenal is like
if you start your collection, is that there is the
intent to gain an arsenal? Like are you adding to
the arsenal? Like is it a Is it an adjective
to describe all of your gun collection, no matter how
small or how bit?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, at what point have you crossed into arsenal territory here?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean collection, different deal.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
But they do say he had a small arsenal. Sometimes
they say a small arsenal. I think that I'd be
offended if somebody arsenal. Hey, it's not that small, it's
not that fall.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
First of all, it's not the size that counts.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Look, I've got a six inch staccato like one gun
and one round of AMMO. He had a small arsenal.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
It is very small arsenal.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Right, all those mini revolvers would constant a small arsenal.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, yes, you figured it out at a small arsenal.
Large arsenal would be a fifty cow.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, jeez, many revolves. I want to have enough guns
to outfit a brigade.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
A brigade that is.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
There was a comment on there just that said exactly that.
So what would be what would be the word they
would describe for your arsenal?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Would they say it's a stockpile?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
They would say I had enough for a regiment.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
He had enough for his family. That's the goal. Yeah,
I have enough to get by.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Yeah, I definitely hate it, right, Yeah, I would say
that They would probably used.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
The word stockpile.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Upon my arrast, the word stockpile will likely come up.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Where did you have call?
Speaker 8 (21:13):
They?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
All? Right?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
But lastly, this is the important part because Kenny and
I have a back and forth going nineties music Okay,
nineties music, nineties song nineties band that is underappreciated, underappreciated,
underappreciated nineties song nineties.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Band, nineties uh underappreciated. I go blues Traveler's Hook, Oh,
best harmonica solo on the radio, because it's the only.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Harmonica solo on the radio pretty much.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Well right, there's two real quick points on that is one,
it means nothing. The song is literally about people becoming
fans of and he wrote like it's the most absurd song.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
It means nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
And then also the song is actually transposed in canon D.
It's if you listen to music, it's actually of Bell's cannon.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
We've opened up a can of worms.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Kenny.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's always good to have you on. I regret asking
the question, but I don't thank you. We will see
you next time. We'll be right back. They still haven't
kicked us off the air. It's remarkable, thirty years of
(22:24):
national syndication across the country talking about guns, gun rights,
self defense, hunting, gun nerdery, favorite guns, favorite calibers. And
we are filling in for Tom this week because he's
off doing hunting things again. I mean this is what
he does now, kJ He just goes and hunts the country.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Oh, he's living my life.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
He is living it's time there.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So for those who are listening to this, this is
also a podcast. So if you go, oh, that's cool guns.
I didn't know there was a show about guns out there.
Just find gun Talk wherever you listen to podcasts. Look
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hosted by Tom. You've got that there. We've got gun
Talk Nation, which is my show. We've got kj's show,
gun Talk Hunt, and lots of good content. Lots of
(23:15):
good content.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
It's unreal how much this little office puts out, Like
every time, I'm shocked about new stuff coming out. And
we've got more announcements coming up that we can't divulge
too much on.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But a lot of new things coming down.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
There a lot of new things coming up. But Chris,
you went on a bit of a road trip this
past week or week and a half or so, and
so I want to kind of get the updates because
you did two things. You went to the World Shooting
Championship and you also attended an Aimpoint event. So World
(23:48):
Shooting Championship, this is something that's one of your favorites.
Tell people what this match is.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
It's my yearly sabbatical. The only time I've missed it
is once for cancer. That was the very first one,
and then of course during the COVID times because you.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Know, everything got canceled.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Everything got canceled. So yeah, I went up.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
This is the second year it's been at Camp Atterbury,
the NRA's World Shooting Championships. Uh, and it was lightly
attended because last year's World Shooting Championships were bad.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
The weather was.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Weather, time of the year was awful, the coordination was awful.
It was the first time they brought the match back after.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
People it's hard to put on a bill. It's a
big match, so many logistics involved.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
So needless to say, there was a lot of things
that were unpalatable about last year's. This year, the NRA
they knew it. Everybody knew it. That's why there wasn't
so many people there. But listen, they knocked it out
of park this year.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
The stages were.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Amazing, the coordination was amazing, the timing was amazing, The
prize tables were well laid out. And if if you
want to win guns and you've got some skills, you
could walk away with guns.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that. So explain to
people what the World Shooting Championship is. What's the premise
of the event.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Well, the World Shooting Championship is like Top Shot in
a weekend. So it's twelve different shooting disciplines. Four you
shoot four a day for three days, and you shoot
everything from sporting clays to feed tasks to long range
precision you know, PRS and then twenty two PRS, USPSAIDPA,
(25:35):
Cowboy Action, Biathlon, airguns, air pistol, bulls eye one handed,
NRA bulls eye gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So normally this is a very unique event. Normally people go,
I did a uspsa speed pistol shooting match or sporting
clays match, but this is all of it, and you
have to you have to be good at all of
them to finish at the top.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Yeah, And this year they incorporated the ARC the America's
Rifle Challenge that Enery's coming out with, and they did
the state Level one cool, which is just the rifle,
and then they also did Level three which is two gun,
which I had a really good time at and I
missed both my sider shots before I shot that, and
then I went one for one with on all the
(26:21):
long range targets.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
What was doing all these different types of disciplines. I know,
you don't shoot all of them normally, No, most of them.
You don't shoot normally shoot.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Any of this stuff. But what were on TV? Ryan,
like the guys sold the magic of TV?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Are those shots really your shots?
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Like?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, actually, we don't really doctor it up too much.
You know, what was the what was the most surprising,
the most fun was? What were some of the events
that stood out to you?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Well?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
And then they're side matches, so you know, companies like
Keltech put on a side match with their sub two thousand,
and then Mosburg had a side match with their Jerry
Mentional like twelve Gage, you know, the three gun shotgun Man.
What was my favorite? I can't tell you, honestly. My
favorites generally like the cowboy action because of stuff that
(27:12):
I never get to do, work in a single action pistol.
And I'll ask you, guys, for everybody that's watching and listening,
did you see me practice anything before I left?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
Never?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Ever?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
No, right, I don't.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
But it's those solid fundamentals, you know. And of course
I've done the stuff and I know how to work guns.
But yeah, I'll tell you what I'm gonna work on
for next year. I'm gonna work on getting in position
a little bit better around the PRS barricade. I want
to get more stable, faster. I am going to work
on my one handed shooting. I've got some new ideas
from what I learned with Aimpoint when we were there.
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I was there, and I'm also going to work on
my biathlon, my shooting with my my ten twenty two
at fifty yards on a three inch plate.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Because you've got to be really accurate with that.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
And well, they make you.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
They make you carry this stuff across the range and
you got to put it in a box and you
step up your gun, you chamber it, and then you go.
Am I hitting my microphone Michael? Or am I just sure?
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Sorry? But here I think three times.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The thing that you and I were talking about is
it is called the World Chewing Championship, and it sounds daunting,
but for anyone listening to this.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Well they got an amateur division, right, there's.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
An amateur division. It's an annual thing and you can
just show up. You don't have to qualify. I mean
you can, is that right? You can pay your money
and go.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
It was I think it was four hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
I don't know if it was the same Frams as
it was for pros, but they didn't. One of the
cool things this year was they didn't sell Mulligan's to
the pros and they didn't give the amateurs a mulligan.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
So what you shot was what you got.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
So four hundred and fifty bucks, you show up, all
of the gun and ammunition are provided.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Right. Yeah, we're gonna talk about what I want when
we come back.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, we'll talk about it because I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
I mean, because a lot of people are gonna be
scared for by four and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I know, four and fifty bucks. But you show up,
it's all done for you and you get to shoot
these twelve different stages. Like you said, it's kind of
like Top Shot in three days time, where you get
to do these really cool stages, shoot these really cool
guns that maybe you don't usually shoot, and hang out
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Speaker 2 (31:53):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk Talking with Chris Reno
and Kevin john Agan teamgun Talk. We're filling in for
Tom this week and we're talking about the INNRA World
Shooting Championships. And you just got back from Chris. Twelve stages,
twelve different disciplines shotguns, air, pistol, regular pistol, long range rifle.
I mean all these and all of it, all of it.
(32:16):
So you love it because I think one of the
reasons Chris likes the kJ is because he usually does
pretty well in it.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yes, he does well in it, and he should because
he presses a good trigger like and he has good fundamentals,
And I think that's what it all comes down to.
The people who do well in those competitions. It's not
that they know how to play the game, because you
can get really used to an NRL Hunter game and
you understand the PRS side of things, and it's kind
of a game and I'm gaming it, But I feel
(32:45):
like the World Championships is.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
More broad than that. You can't game it. You've got
to be solid. I mean, pick up any gun and
be able to shoot it.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
My advice to everyone this year was just get your hits.
You got a part time one hundred and twenty seconds,
whatever your part time.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Is, get your hits. Yeah, because they increased it was great.
I loved what Dan and A did this year. Guys.
You knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Inside one hundred yards ten second penalty, outside one hundred
yards twenty second penalty for a mess.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So take your time again.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
You're gonna spend an extra three seconds to aim, or
you're gonna encour a twenty second penalty because if they
give you ten targets, you can get ten bullets.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah, it's not like you get to miss. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Wow, So how'd you do?
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I did?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
This was my best finish. But here again, remember I
said a lot of people didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Stop stop, they were right. There were now one hundred
people now there.
Speaker 13 (33:37):
I don't I don't like that, Like I don't like
when you do that, you're like setting up like, well,
there are good shooters there, there are good amateurs there.
Like the competition that shows up, like to those matches,
it's no joke from top to bottom. So like, it
doesn't matter how many people enter, there's good people in there,
(33:58):
and you've finished really high.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Proud of that.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I am proud of it.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
I did double better then there was half the people,
so I came out tenth.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Normally I come in around twentieth. It's all averages out.
But my stick kJ.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Is that I am consistent. I am consistently mediocre. I
don't practice anything. I don't I don't go there when
I go there to vet my skills and the skills and.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
That I teach people.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Well, here's the thing they skills that on their website
it says two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in cash
and prizes, So there were a lot of prizes available
and for those who've never attended a shooting match. Chris
explain how the prize table works.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, they just call you off in order and in order.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So first place goes to walk through and they pick
first of all these different guns and optics and prizes
that are on.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Everything that you use and shoot at that match is
on the prize table.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So you walked through and what did you pick up?
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Well, I was tenth place this year, so I and
I always take a gun. I always take a gun,
and it's usually a really good gun. But this year
our walk past some of the other higher dollar value
items and I took a really beautiful over under weather
Be because weatherb sponsored one of these. It's the first
time Weatherby's done it. And I was enamored with the
(35:23):
shotgun Number one, for the way it looked and felt.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Number two I shot lights out with it.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
And we shot that gun and it's a nice thirty
inch thirty had really and they're ported. I mean it's
a twelve gage shotgun. But when you shoot it, it
just feels it almost feels like when you shoot a
rifle that has an incredible comp on it, and there's
like where's the recoil, there's there's a real Yeah, it'soop.
(35:52):
It's just not all right. But then you left there
and you went to an aim Point event where it
was a one day training event, but you picked up
some things the endpoint of that.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
Yeah, you know what I have. I have great respect
fame Point. They've been doing great things. They make great products.
I still have one of their original micros. I think
it's an H one, not even a T one, and
that thing always has worked well for me. But you know,
I've never really cared for the acro because it looks
like they call it the mailbox.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
It's a big gets stick.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
But now they got the CoA, the CoA, which you
know stands for nothing. I asked him, I said, what
does the CoA? What does this cola stand for? He
said nothing, It means nothing. We just had to come
up with something and put it together.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's like Thesani. By the way, it's means nothing.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
It's going to be the easiest segment we ever do
when we do a piece with it, so we don't
have to remember anything.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
So anyway, same size window. That was cool. It goes
in like a ski boot goes into a ski binding.
That's how it works.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
It goes in and down, but then you have to
you screw the back end down. So folks, listen, and
if you're interested in what it is and how it works.
They call it an a cut still not available to
the public only through glock right now, but it's going
to happen, and when it does happen, it's probably gonna
be one of the greatest things going.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's a really good way to mount a red dot
on a pistol.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Question.
Speaker 14 (37:16):
Yeah, is that the Is that the precursor to everybody
standardizing the footprint of optics for mounting on pistols?
Speaker 7 (37:26):
It very well could be, because it is a base
cut that keeps.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
It very, very low.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
All you've done is created a wedge on the front
so it goes in, it clips down, a tail on
the back so when it clips in, except it doesn't
clip in, you screw the thing back down so there's
no forces exerted on the screws.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh really, Okay, and.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Now I learned some shooting tips too, Okay, what you learn? Yeah,
I learned here. I learned something that Listen.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
You know I'm gonna be switching the red dots here
pretty soon because I can't see nothing.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Wait, this is ground.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And everybody Chris Threno said he's gonna start using red
dots on I heard it.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
Yes, you're hear it here first, folks, you're hearing it
right here first, because everybody that listens to Tom always says, well,
I already know from listening on Tom's show.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You can't stand well, it's our joke with Chris. He's like, look,
I don't like red dots. I mean I shoot better
with them. I shoot more accurately and faster with them.
I just don't like them, but they do keep getting
better and better and better.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Well, the deal is this, I found out. This is
gonna be the pointer. I know we're running out of
time right now. So the smaller the dot, the more
you have a tendency to try to aim with the
dot rather than just put it out in front of
you and target focus. So hence our new class, our
next class coming up with the cold Yeah, six and more.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Am I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
And the bigger the dot, the less less problem you.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Have with a nice stigmatism.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Totally okay, good tips. We're gonna we're gonna keep talking
about this because red dots and pistols are hot, and
would you start a new shooter with iron or just
go straight to the dot. We'll be back with more
gun talk. All right, welcome back to gun Talk. We're
talking about red dots with Chris Soreno Kevin Johnagan filling
(39:15):
in for Tom this week. And Chris, you were at
an aim Point event and learning some things, and I
threw it out there right as we were going to
break because it's something we were talking about, is a
brand new shooter. And we had a pistol Essentials Pistol
Skills class. I'm messing upthing. Essential skills, Essential pistol skills.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
I believe we had.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
One at the this past weekend at Range Ready, our
our training division here, and the question is would you
start a brand new shooter, do they need to learn
irons or do you just give them a red dot
and let them learn that and because that's what they're
gonna be running going forward.
Speaker 7 (39:56):
Okay, So for me, I was kind of upset that
the boy put Peyton into a into a red dot
right off the bat, because she she whatever reason, a
girl who came here and she had twenty two it's
one of our camera guy's daughters.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
She should have been learning how to shoot iron sights.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Or should she or because here's my thoughts, kJ and
I want to hear what you think. So red dot
true target focused shooting to terrible habit to look at
the target with iron sights right right, iron sights. You
got to look at the sites, don't look at the target.
You got to trust that what you're doing is right,
(40:34):
and then you can look at the target right wrong.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Don't look at the target, just focus on the Because so.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
We could argue like, well, it's a good skill to
know how to run a shoot the butun with irons?
Is that like saying, I mean it's a good skill
know how to ride a horse because your car might
break down.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Well no, I don't know if I would. I don't know.
They funny think about.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
But I mean you just hey, you just hop on
the horse right and it does the thing?
Speaker 13 (41:04):
You know?
Speaker 5 (41:05):
But horse do the thing? The thing or go.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Right? Okay, I thought a sound.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
You want to see instant gratification. Everybody's learning something new
once they see some instant gratification, right, They want to
see some performance. So with a red dot, can you
can you truly focus on the target and be like,
oh yeah, I'm gonna put it right there and maybe
get them there and then you don't develop that that
that peaky, peaky habit over the site.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No I think no, No, So I think.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
It's peaky have it.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
I think I think what like what you're saying is
is that if they end up going back to iron
sights after seeing their success with red dots, is it
going to be tough for them for them to learn
irons rather than transitioning them into red dots. And I
think it is harder because I'm still shooting iron sites
(42:00):
because Chris got on to me and he said, no,
you're going to shoot iron sights because I want you
to learn the process before going to something that's a
little bit easier.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
But I'm afraid I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
But here's the big but here's the giant butt in
the room is I want new shooters to have success
and I want them to really sit.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Well, that's a good point, right, because you're going to
get better quicker shooting a red dot on a pistol.
Yeah right, you kind of agree. I think you're going
to get better quicker because you don't have like a
you don't have a habit you're trying to break with
looking for these.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Sect isn't caused by poor system.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It's also less to explain. We talk about the rear
site and the front site, and wearing the front site
in the rear site, and making sure you have equal
it on both sides, and making sure that the front
site's not you know, it's it's equal, it's level with
the top of the sides. You don't have to say
any of those things. The red dot. You see the dot,
you put it on the target, and you press the
(43:04):
trigger without moving the dot. That's all you have to
do em A four year old could understand put the
dot on the target and press the trigger.
Speaker 7 (43:13):
I know, that's what I just asked. Am I wrong?
I don't know what to think anymore? I know, I
don't know what to think anymore. And the and the
reason I'm thinking about at all is because I just
can't see well.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And that's why Chris is going to be shooting a
red dot very soon. A lot of people who shoot
red dots are not just the young cool kids. It's
the guys like us who the eyes are game not
as good. We'll be right back with more gun dots.
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