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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We as gun people, always thinks legislation is bad. We
hear the word legislation, we automatically assume it's bad.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We're freedom loving, Mike, we are.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Gallap proved that there can be good legislation.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Gun Talk Nation.
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(00:44):
welcome in Gun to Nation today. On Gun Tognation. We're
going to talk about something that it's like one of
those things that you don't talk about, but we should
be talking about, right guys, Mental health, guns and everything
that goes along with that. So we've got Mike from
Walk to Talk America. We got Gala from the Armory Project,
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and you guys are doing a project here in Louisiana,
but it's expanding out obviously, Walk to Talk Mental Health
and guns. Mike, you guys have been handling that for years,
but I'm just going to jump right in thinking about
there is a stigma there and what is it that
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you guys hear from gun owners when you talk about
this subject.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, I mean, I think for years, gun owners have
just been afraid to come forward and seek mental health
treatment and ask for help or even inquire about what
to like what you can do in a time of crisis. Right,
there is a fear that people have, that's the fear. Well,
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the fear is that you lose your gun rights.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right. Is that a real thing they should be concerned
about or is that changing?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, that's why we're here today talking about that, all right.
I think she's changing it here in the state of
Louisiana for sure, right, But there are certain states that
are tougher than others. So you have to be aware
of your your state law obviously, and places like New
York are tough, you know. But I think from my
personal opinion, and you've had me on the show before,
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and your father's always having me on his show, I
think we're seeing a cultural shift in the community where
we're starting to take care of our own And I've
been super impressed by what Gal has gotten accomplished in
the state of Louisiana, and I think it's the it's
the gold star right of how to do this on
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a state by state basis. So I want to see
the rest of the country start following her lead to
save lives and how we handle prevention, better mental health,
all those things, right, But I love the way that
that she's done this. This model has been done before,
but this is you know, from the Walk to Talk
America perspective, this is this is the leader.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
This is how you do it.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
This is how you do it Louisiana, right, which which
to me is near to my heart, right because Walk
to Talk of America. The concept for it started.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
In a conversation in Louisiana in New Orleans, right right,
So Galla talk about what is this program?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, So the Armory Project was developed by firem owners
for fireowners, and it's basically a partnership with FFL's Federal
Firearm licensees where they become the credible messengers to talk about,
you know, mental health help seeking, normalize those conversations and
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say hey, we're here from you for you, if you
need any options to put time and distance between a
person who's maybe going through mental health challenge or crisis
and their firearm. So the way that they can do
that is by storing someone's firearms for them temporarily and
voluntarily giving them some resources to say, hey, there are
resources out there for you to get some help that
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you need, and then you can come get your firearms
back when you're ready. And then we have another partnership
that we just started with Cannon Security with Walk the
Talk America's help, where a pretty good discount on a
range of gun Vault products is available to people, and
it comes in the mail with materials from Walk to
Talk America about responsible fire om ownership and looking after
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your own mental health, and then the materials from the
Armory Project saying hey, now that you have this storage
device in your home, how could you use it to
put diamond distance between yourself or someone else in the
house if you were worried about their mental health.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So when you guys started this, I'm sure it's not
just right off the bat all the gun stores and
a recess. Yeah. Cool, great. I mean what are the
some of the things that you ran into, some of
the objections, some of the concerns, or how did you
deal with that?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, the origin story is that we saw that this
was happening in a couple of other states where there
were maps that were available, and the map would say
something along the lines of like call this firearm retailer
and talk to them and see if they'll offer storage.
So we started out by making those same phone calls
and calling FFLs across Louisiana, and what we heard from
them was that they thought it was a good idea
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in a sense, like many of them had lost someone
to firearms suicide or they were concerned about their customers.
But they immediately said, what's going to happen to us
if we store firearms for someone, give them back to
that person, and then that person goes on to harm
themselves or someone else, We're going to lose our business.
We're going to potentially face criminal charges. They were very
concerned about it. So we did find three firearm retailers
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in Louisiana. They all were veteran owned and they all said,
you know what, we don't care about this concern. We're
going to go ahead and do this anyway. We're going
to take the risk. So they started the armory project
with us, and right along as we were rolling along
with that and developing the program with them, they said
things to us like we need some training for ourselves
and our staff, because how to have these conversations with
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a customer, how to help get them to any help
that they need, figure out what that help is and
they also just wanted support and infrastructure. You know, how
are we going to do this? How are we going
to store someone's firearms? So we worked with them to
develop a training program, a storage agreement template that they
can adapt for their store, and marketing materials. So they
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piloted the armory project with us, and we were able
to measure outcomes and we found that when we train
the staff, it increased their knowledge about how to have
these conversations with their customers and their confidence in doing
so and their belief that it was important. And we
also found that even in this pilot period, these FFLs
were able to store firearms for people and help them
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get to the help they needed. And then what grew
out of that was this legislation that was passed in
twenty twenty two in Louisiana, and it was the first
legislation that said if an FFL stores firearms for someone
in need and returns those firearms to the person, as
long as they followed the law when returning the firearms,
they will be immune from civiliability if something happens.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And how has that opened up? You have a lot
more locations bey on board.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
With Yeah, so now we're heading towards having forty locations
across the state and hoping to get to fifty. Our
goal is to have an FFL that will provide storage
for anyone who needs it and have a person only
have to travel like maybe twenty to thirty minutes to
get to them. So we're trying to cover the whole state.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, I was going to say, fifty is a pretty
good number in Louisiana. It's not a huge state, and
really you only have maybe about six major metro areas.
So I mean fifty FFLs around the state. That gives
access to a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Of people exactly. And our goal is not to get
every FFL on board, but to get the FFLs who
are willing to have their staff be trained to keep
them up to date because there have a lot of
staff turnover, so we have to talk to them about,
you know, how do we keep the staff train when
new staff come on board and have them be part
of a community of practice. So that's another big part
of the Armory project is that we have a community
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of practice where the FFLs connect with each other. We
meet on a quarterly basis now it used to be monthly,
but they said, we can go to quarterly at this point.
But they get together. They come on of those calls
and they talk with each other and they share their
success stories and their wins, they share whatever challenges they're
dealing with. They actually really connect and become very like
connected to the mission and to each other. So if
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one of them needs help with something, they kind of
reach out to each other, even without our interference or
us being in the middle. They just reach out to
each other and say, Hey, I've got somebody with a
lot of firearms. I can't store them all, Like, can
you help with this?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's going to be incredibly I mean, this is this
is an incredible program because this is not something that
was happening at all five years ago, right this is
and it feels like and you kind of said at
the beginning, you know, there's an acknowledgement of a need
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for an openness to discuss the mental health issue. And
I mean, I'm seeing it. They see it in the
gun world, but I see it now there's other places,
you know, some of the major like men's health magazines,
and they're talking about this of just like it's all right,
you can talk about mental health stuff.
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Speaker 2 (11:25):
So we started doing outreach in twenty twenty. We actually
started the outreach duringk COVID oh wow, and then we
did the pilot in twenty twenty one. The legislation passed
in twenty twenty two. Okay, so I guess four years roughly.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So, I mean it's kind of a personal issue. But
how do I ask this? I mean, do you do
you know of people storing guns for people? I mean
that is that happening pretty often?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, we get to hear back from So one of
the things I think it's important to note is that
we don't ask for any identifiable data like who are
you storing farms for anything like that, and just say,
can you let us know if you stored firearms for somebody?
And then if there's a story behind it that you
feel comfortable sharing, then share it. So the FFLs love
to do that because for them, it's why they're doing this,
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and so they're actually pretty excited when they help somebody.
They also reach out to us if the person needs
help that they can't get to. So, for example, we
had a veteran who had been really needing mental health treatment,
and he'd been getting put off in his appointments, like
they kept kind of getting rescheduled, and he was really
at a crisis point, and so this FFL reached out
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to us. He said, I'm going to store this guy's
firearms for him, but we also need to get him
to help. So we were able to reach out to
the suicide prevention team at that local VA and say, hey,
we asked the veterans permission first, but he said, yes,
it's okay if they talk to me, if you tell
them my name and everything. So we said, hey, you've
got a veteran in crisis, you know, like he's not
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getting his appointments. You really need to reach out and
help him, and they did, and so he I think
part of the what helped was that he was able
to store his firearms and get them out of the house,
but also he felt like somebody cared and somebody was listening,
and somebody followed up and actually like quite a few
people cared. So he felt very supported by that FFL,
who happened to also be a veteran and really understood
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him and where he was coming from. But he also
felt supported by the mental health providers, and he felt like, oh,
the VA actually does care about what happens to me.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Fantastic. Well, it's kind of a force multiplier. You think
about forty or fifty locations in a staff of whatever,
three to ten people that are trained up on this
a little bit. Now you've got a pretty nice resource
of people who are talking to everybody, and perhaps maybe
more veterans as a percentage of customer base perhaps in
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some of those places.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So yeah, I got I think that'll change though, right,
Like the most important thing is like, so how many
years I'm going to speak for the firearms industry because
I've been in this for so long, right, Like how
many years have shop said well I want to do something,
but I don't know what to do or how do
I do this? Right? Like, so everyone puts this big
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thing on like, well, how many guns did you store?
I don't care if you didn't store one, right, if
you're offering it, you don't think that your customer, if
they know that they can bring the gun back there,
that's not a good feeling. We all love the two
a right, Like we all want to protect the second.
I mean, this is a perfect way to do it, right,
Like the Second Amendment community, the firearms industry, like taking
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the lead in solutions that do not involve rights restriction.
You know, I think it's just as important to offer
it as whether or not it's successful in terms of
like how you're judging that success, you know, when you
have the flyers in the on the counter, And I
know GALA has been kind enough to get like the
free and anonymous mental health screenings from walk Talk America
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into things, right like, we don't know how many there's
so many lives that are going to be saved that
we'll never even know. And that's like the beauty of it.
You don't have to not everything has to be measure
I know it does, like especially when you're dealing with certainly,
But I mean, you know what I'm saying, like, I
don't I don't judge things. Sometimes it's anecdotally. And you know,
I can't share everybody's success, sure, because it's their story.
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And you know, I've had plenty of people say like,
you know, I don't want you to share this, but
I want you to know like it helped.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Me, right right, I can't really tell the whole story.
And you made a good point there, Mike, is this
is a Second Amendment rights play. I mean, I'm not,
that's not why you're doing it, but it is perhaps
also a benefit of I mean, is it's a it's
a way to help and tell me if I'm going
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to screw this up on the way I'm saying it
help prevent the misuse of a firearm without taking away
anyone's rights. Ye, right, And I mean it would be
nice to get the misuse of any fire to zero,
because that's that's good for community, that's good for everything,
and it's also good for the two way message like look,
this is this is just device, and you can be
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used in a safe way and owned in a safe
way and enjoyed for recreation and all these things. Right,
people listening to this probably either they've experienced it, or
they certainly perhaps have had loved ones or friends who
have experienced some some mental crisis or something like that.
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Are there are there tips? Are their little tips and
techniques and things that are helpful that we can kind
of spread the word on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You mean, like, if you have somebody that you're worried about, yeah,
they've access to fire.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
They're going like yeah, because heck a lot of us
don't have the experience and training that you guys do.
We're like, yeah, I don't know that he's been bummed
out a lot lately, or he's I mean maybe that's
that doesn't mean anything, but I don't know, Like, how
do you It's.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
A great question, re read us out. What we say
is just ask the question. Just ask the person straight out,
are you thinking of killing yourself? And don't beat around
the bush.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And I think the main thing that people worry about
is that that's somehow going to put it in the
person's head. But we know that's not the case. That
if somebody's thinking about it, it's actually a relief for
them to be asked because they know that somebody cares
and is you know, asking them, And if they're not
thinking about it, they're gonna, you know, hopefully just be like, Okay,
I'm glad you care about me, but no, I'm not
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thinking about that. And so that's kind of what we
say is just ask the question. And then if the
person says yeah, or I've been thinking the world to
be better off without me, or however they put into words,
then you validate their experience and say, like, it must
be really hard to feel that way, you know, I'm
here for you, and then you exit up expedite getting
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them to some kind of care. You engage them in
that and say like what could we do to help
you get you know, some treatment or whatever resources you need.
And that's where with these firearm retailers, they have a
list of resources that we've given them that we've vetted
that we know is like a good resource that's actually
going to help somebody if they reach out. So that's
just what we say is like, don't beat around the bush,
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just ask the question and then meet the person where
they're at, you know, ask them, are you willing to
maybe let's get the firearms out of the house for
a little bit. And that's why the Armory Project like
an FFL, is a trusted place. You know, they're going
to take good care of your prize possessions that are
of great value. They're not going to mistreat them. You're
going to get them back when you're ready, and they're
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not trying to take your guns away like you know
that they want to protect your rights just as much
as you do.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
So well, and this makes it I mean, this program
sounds fantastic. I mean it's a formal way to accomplish this,
Is it okay or is it a bad idea? If
you do have that friend or family member to say,
I'll hold onto your guns amasium now.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
And actually, Mike brought up a great point, like the
actual storage of firearms in an FFL is a pretty
rare event. It's not happening every day, and I think
some FFLs are a little disappointed in that. They're like,
you know, they were excited to store firearms for somebody.
But what we say is if you're just planting the
seat in the persons mind that temporarily involuntarily getting some
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time and distance between them and their firearms is going
to save their life. In Louisiana, you can give your
firearms to anyone who's not prohibited from legally possessing firearms.
So we kind of plant that seed too. If somebody says,
you know what, I don't want to store my firearms
at an FFL, but you can say to them, well,
you actually could just give them two. I've heard stories
of people giving them to their minister to hold on
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to for them. I've heard stories of people giving it
to their father in law to hold on to for them.
That's actually where the idea for the Armory Project came from,
was like battle buddies and combat veterans saying like, I'm
going to get my battle buddy to hold on to
my guns for me. But what people had said to
us was, first of all, like we need an option
for people who don't have somebody in their life because
social isolation and being cut off from your support network
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is a big risk factor for suicide. So we needed
those people to have options that felt safe and good
to them. And also sometimes there's just stigma in saying
to somebody close to you, I want to get my
firearms away from me right now. And so this an
FFL is basically offering like a professional courtesy. I think
that's one of the messages that's been really important is
this is not a charity, you know, this is like
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a professional courtesy that a firearm retailer can offer to
their customers. And if we kind of professionalize it like
that and make it feel that way, then it doesn't
feel quite so stigmatizing.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
That's great and well, and you said it in Louisiana
is one of those states, and there's a bunch of
states like that that I live in Louisiana. I have
people all the time go but like, how do I
have to register? And like there's no, you don't have
to register your guns here. Yeah, there are some states
where this would be more challenging, but there's a lot
of states, is it in general? If you don't have
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like a gun registry or some strange way that you
have to transfer guns to to someone, you can you
can accomplish this with a friend or family members of what, Yes,
that's right and.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Also to I just want to like draw. So we
as gun people always think as leg is bad. We
hear the word legislation, we automatically assume it's bad.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Right, we're freedom loving micro we are.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Galla proved that there can be good legislation when it
comes to firearms, right, probably got us out of our
way at thinking, right, Like that's a thing, Like maybe
more legislation can be pushed to have good Samaritan moments
right where someone can transfer in a time of New
year crisis. Right, Like that's the whole point of this
is Louisiana is going to show you how to do
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it right, and then we're going to bring it to
your state. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, and politicians look to other states for successful legislation ideas. Sometimes,
depending on whatever your viewpoint is, sometimes they bring legislation
from the states that you hate, like dang it, and
then it's you know, this is one that actually would
be like, hey, look, it's already been done. It's a success.
Because politicians are also quick to go that won't work here,
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or they'll probably go to these problems. Well, actually it's
been running for three years and there haven't been any problems.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So yeah, if you're if you're listening to this and
you're thinking, well, that'd be a good idea in our state,
I mean, they could reach out to you guys.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, we have a website, Armory Project org. Okay, and
it's actually on my the Armory Project.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Armory Project dot org.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Project dot org. Okay, I'm not good at websites, but yeah,
we have websites, Internet, the interwebs Yeah, so people can
contact us on our website. There's kind of a little
intake form where they can say, like what their question is.
They can sign up for our email list. We only
send out one email a month, but if they want
to learn more about what we're doing, we've already spread
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into Arkansas, where similar legislation passed because of the Armory Project,
and actually the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention took the
lead on that. Montana has a lot that's modeled on ours.
In Louisiana's even more broad and then Nevada just passed
similar legislation, so we expect to see this expanding into
other states.
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Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, it was, it was really inspired by the work
of Walk the Talk America. So I should, like Mike
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But what you guys are doing today, well, so we
have our cultural competence of course started by uh, Jake
Wiskerschen and myself. Right, they're like the core Walk to
Talk America when it comes to kind of coming up
with these new concepts and new ideas of how to
you know, because we're not we're not just trying to
empower people to you know, you know, be mentally well
(25:23):
and have the tools to do it themselves, right, Like
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screenings that type of thing. But we do train clinicians
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And it's kind of a play on that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
We came out here to help GALA through l s U.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, we are so we So they have this incredible
cultural competency training that's online. And I was noticing that
every time I talked about it whenever around mental health
providers and any presentation that I gave, I could see
them immediately like going to the Walk the Talk America
website before I even finished talking.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So we got funding to have these mental health providers
across well, we did it in Ponchatula and then tomorrow
will be in Maurice. And so these mental health providers
took the Walk the Talk America cultural compency training online.
They passed a test, you know, like a little test
pre and post, and then we had an in person
experience today at Apocalypse Sports and Ponchatoula where the mental
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health providers came together with firearm professionals for about a
half day and they got a chance to kind of
talk together, talk about some of the common misconceptions or
like how can we build bridges. And then the firearm
professionals took the mental health providers out on the firing
range and they got to shoot different kinds of guns
and had a great day together. We already got some
good beat feedback from them, but that's really inspired by
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the work that they did.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
I mean, if you have no experience with particular subject,
there's always going to be some apprehension, apprehension, some fear
about it, and guns are certainly that one of those
things that you may not even you don't care. I'm
not pro gun, I'm not anti gun. I don't care.
But if you don't, but if you don't know anything
about it, there is apprehension there and it demystifies it
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for them. They get a little comfort level of like, Okay,
it's a mechanical object, this is how it works. This
is actually maybe perhaps it's fun. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
It's hope too. Rite Like I mean, watch the media, man.
Sometimes you think, you know, none of us can co exist, right,
And I mean, I know, like when I go speak
at events sometimes, especially when it's it's more of an
anti gun crowd or a gun neutral crowd, like their
expectation level of me is absolutely nothing, you know what
I mean. So it's like sometimes people are just like hey, man,
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like I'm not a gun person, but it's kind of
cool that you're doing this stuff out there, or you
know you have these out of the box solutions that
are different or I never thought about you know. That's
the other thing, like you know these when we throw
these classes, we're not I mean, hopefully people will change
their mind on guns, but we're not trying to get
you to be pro gun. We're not trying to get
you to the anti gun. We certainly aren't trying to
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do that, right right, you know, we're trying to get
you to be pro understanding. And you know, when they
hear about laws or something and we talk about the
unintentional consequences of maybe some of those laws that they
thought were a good idea or they thought or saving lives,
and it just gives them another, you know, opportunity to
think about this in a different way, still allowing them
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to maybe hate guns because they don't want to see
people killed or die or you know, or hurt. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
One of the ones I've heard you say before is
red flag laws and what would you tell people about it?
They go, I have never thought about that way, right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Right, They never they never thought about the unintentional consequence
of a red law preventing someone from going to get
help because of that fear of losing their gun. Right
When I usually say that in front of gun people
that are like, oh yeah, a cop shows up and
then there's a shootout, I'm like, even beyond that, right right,
let's go way beyond that, Like, think about all the
people they are like, I won't get help it's just
not going to happen. I'm not going to risk it.
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And then you know, they're saying that it may be
like stage two in their mental health crisis, and then
it's going to boil to stage three and four and
that's when unfortunate things happen. Right, But there's a lot
of people when I put it that way, it's like
a light switch. They're like, oh, man, I never even
thought about it. You're right, there could be and I
think we need to get you know, we need to
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have these conversations because I think there needs to be
research on how many people avoid help because they're not
willing to take a chance. You know, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
It's a hard one to get those types of stats, right.
I mean, it's kind of like guns being used in
to protect themselves. If if there's not like an actual
like use of a gun, discharging a gun. A lot
of times there's no story except that the guy says, man,
this crazy thing happened to me, Mike, right, And they
never called the cops. It just you know, I had
my gun and people ran off and then I got
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in my car and drove home and it was no
big deal. So there's a lot of unreported success stories
on both sides of this.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right, yeah, but I you know, to me, like I said,
anytime you can get thirty clinicians to come in and
get out of their comfort zone, go fire a gun,
ask questions, you know, hear another side of things be validated,
you know what I mean, Like, I think it's a
beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
How many of them you said, how many of them
had not fired a gun before?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I think it was at least eight were They're about
eight people there never fired a gun before?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And what were their reactions?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Pretty positive?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Very positive? I mean, there're you know, I'm not going
to sit here and tell you everybody he's now converted.
Right Like there was one guy that came up to
me after He's like, I hate guns.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
He's still nervous about it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Well, here, here's what's awesome. Though he hates guns, he
still hates guns and said that's okay because I told
him before the you know, we started, I was like,
you could come up to me and say that, and
you know, but you know, he was talking to me
about we had presented a mental health plan. Like if
you go to walk to talk, you know, you can
find a mental health plan for owning a firearm. And
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all we said was, Hey, this exists, It's all in
your packet. It's like, if you ever wanted to ask
questions to give your clients something to think about and
have a discussion around, use that. And he saw it
and he's like, I never would have thought to ask
these things, right, So now he's walking away with something
that he can use for all his clients, all the patients,
everybody that comes to see him, and you know he's
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going to have a healthier discussion around firearms.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's a step. That's progress. Yeah, Yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think, like Jake had said to the crowd, like,
I just want you to be able to talk to
people about their firearms without fumbling over it. I think
that's what you were kind of saying, is just like
that familiarity and that gaining that confidence. Because if they
have the confidence to ask a patient or client, you
know that they're concerned about do you have access to firearms?
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They're going to they need to ask that question if
they're worried about the person's suicide risk, and if they don't,
won't have the confidence to do it. And they don't
do it, you know that's gonna that's a lost opportunity.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, absolutely, very cool. You guys are doing good things.
I appreciate it. How do they find out more about
both of you guys?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Walk the Talk Armory Project dot org.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Armory Project dot org.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Okay, and you're on Instagram, Yeah, we're on Instagram. I
think it's Armory Project dot org probably or something.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
What's just you'll find it look up Armory, the.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Armory Project, the Armory Project.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And for us it's wt t A dot org or
Walktalkamerica dot org or on all social media platforms at WALKTHTALKUS. Cool.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
All right, very cool. That's it for us, guys, thanks
for listening. We will see you next time on gun
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