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-- Myths and mistakes people make about using guns for self defense. Chris Cerino, from Range Ready, gives insider tips on protecting yourself.
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-- Myths and mistakes people make about using guns for self defense. Chris Cerino, from Range Ready, gives insider tips on protecting yourself.
-- Texas target shooter and space-age coating for rifle bullets.
-- The "little" gun company that keeps cranking out innovative firearms.
Gun Talk 03.23.25 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and
you can call us anytime you want to easily. It
is Tom Talk gun. How's that for odd number you
can remember? So I'm over here at the Range reading studios,
the headquarters of gun Talk Media, and just out of
the range. I just broughty men literally just sat down
Chris Sorino, who is head of training, head of hell
(00:37):
Chris your head of everything.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, I'm a head of janitorial services, head of maintenance,
producer of training content and director of training for range Ready.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
All right, so you gotta you came in, you're smiling.
You go, man, I got it? What second shot? So
tell them what you just did. This was a good
This is for guns and gear.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, well it's for guns and gear.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We're filming a segment with the Marlon Trapper in forty
five seventy's a short, short gun, probably sixteen inches and
it has a peep sight. On it, and I cut
the hangman's rope. Now, granted it would have been a
one shot cut. If there had been the weight of
a lone star outlaw cowboy hanging from that thing, it
would have snapped. But I freighted it down to one
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strand and I had to shoot that dang strand one
more time.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Should anybody willing to get hung to help you out with?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Nobody was willing to hang on the end of the
rope for me, but yeah, and it's it's something that
we're going to actually do for Leverfest when we have
everybody out here for Leverfest. So I set it up
the other day to give it a try to see
if it could be done, because you know, I've done
it on top shot, but hey, I've never set it up.
So I made these cool, really cool hangman's noose rope
targets that the guys are going to practice on. Of course,
(01:45):
they're not going to know what's going to happen later.
You know, they're going to get to hey, this is
a fun target to shoot at. Yeah, these guns are accurate,
blah blah blah. And then final day they'll be like,
oh no, we got to cut the rope. Yeah, and
you win a special prize if you cut the rope
in the lever.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
All right, So even before that, you're out there doing
something goofy with a mirror and shooting backwards.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, you know, I figured I try to spice the
season up this year, So I had the new Savage
twenty two out there and lever action and we were
doing the old Antioakley shot. It's over the shoulder, Yeah,
over the shoulder with a mirror, and it's you'd be
amazed how easy it is once you get used to it.
But those sits on that gun happen to be really tight,
so there's not a lot of light spacing. A buckhorn
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site with a brass bead is the best, which is
probably what Aoakley is, Yeah exactly. But these are just
black on black and they're's limited in none light spacing.
So when I see all black all the way across,
I just pressed the trigger.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Just see what happens.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, we were hitting all kinds of stuff. Even got
kJ to do it. Aymn Michael, our editor and sound man,
you got them.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
We got them to do it once. But see the difference.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Like for me, I did the slow mos I got
two shots off in eight seconds, because that's what we
got for slow mo. Right, So I got two knocked
down two targets. They came up and they tried it,
and it probably took them five minutes just to find
the sights.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Literally, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And then once you find it and you start figuring
it out, it gets easier.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's good. It's like a trick and you go, oh, okay,
I get I see what we do.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You got to move your shoulder.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You got to move your body, You got to move
your head, you got to you gotta move the butt
stock of the gun. You use your body and your
shoulder to lift the fore end to find the sights.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
There's a lot of stuff love doing that. It's like,
you know, you out there. One of the things you
demonstrate doing classes, you're staying on one foot and careta
having a gun a pistol upside down one handed and
pressing the trigger. But it's not just like I.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Can do this. You're making a point when you do something.
The point is anybody can do this. Because what we
always say, and you know what our logo is, you know,
it's grip sites and trigger. Our slogan is grip, sites
and trigger. You know, hold the gun correctly, see the
sites what you need to see, you know, site picture,
and press the trigger while it's all together.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You got to see it.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You got to see the picture, shoot the picture. But
even in the absence of a of a good grip
comes down to put.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Sites on target, pressed trigger.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's it. On the one hand, you could do it.
You can hold the gun upside down, you can do it.
You can do it standing on one foot, you can
do it your big toe. Yeah, you don't need you
got a trigger finger. You got to be able to
press the trigger without disturbing the sites. Basically press the
trigger without moving the gun exactly. And I mean, and
that's not that's not hard. It's just hard because we
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influence the firearm a lot. I'm just gonna say it
shouldn't be hard, except for the fact that we really
humans don't like having a big explosion going off two
feet in front of their face, and so we start
reacting to that and going, Okay, I'm gonna really blow up.
I'm gonna basically flinch as a way of protecting myself
against the noise, the flash, or the jumping of this
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gun because it's unpleasant, and the real training is how
do you shoot through that and say, I'm just going
to press this trigger regardless of the fact that I
know all this.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Is coming well.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And that's what we've been saying for a while now.
One of my new newer slogans is without fear. There's
three fears that we all have. We have fear of
the muzzle blast, the muzzle blast in the sound.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We have fear of control because we're a type personalities.
Who do you think shoots guns and does this stuff.
I mean people that like they like control, they're not
afraid of big power, right. And then the last fear
is fear of performance, which is the one that kills everybody.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, because everybody wants it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yes, they try harder, they shoot harder, they do everything,
but just put sights on target and press the trigger.
And then of course it all comes down to timing.
You know, pre ignition push, which is bad. So I'm
pushing into the gun before the bullet leaves the barrel.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You do that to anticipate the gun's gonna jump up.
So we want to push down on right, So most.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
People push early because they're just they're just afraid of
loss of control. So then there's post ignition push, which
is we push at the exact right timing. So if
I'm running through a magazine of eight rounds and there's
a dummy in there somewhere and I'm just lacing them in,
I'm going pop pop pop pop pop click, and then
I push that gun and it almost goes into the
dirt because they see me push it into the dirt
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and they're like, oh, you flinched, You flinched, And I say, well,
look at the target. How can I be flinching if
the target has them all in the same hole. What
I'm doing is a post ignition push, which is good.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
The saying is.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They're offsetting the recoil by pushing into it.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, well you got to drive it back to the target.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Remember I was arguing with you about gun rises in
false right. Okay, Well the gun rises and it says
some degree at falls. Okay, if I don't influence it all,
if I don't have muscular tension, the gun rise and falls.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But I don't want it to just rise and fall.
I want it to go back to the target yesterday.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It rises and falls at its own rate. You don't
want it to go at its rate. You want to
go at your right right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So we work on it, and so the saying that
goes along with that, and most guys that are listening
to this can can probably relate. When I say, beware
the man with one gun. He probably knows how to
use it. He knows how the trigger feels, he knows
when the SHOT's going to break, he knows what the
recoil impulse is. He knows what the muzzle blast and
everything about that gun. He shoots without any fear of control, mozzard,
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blinde or performance because he knows that if he does
his job, the gun will do its job.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
All right, I got a question for you, talking about
if you know your gun, you can shoot it. Spin
off of that because we always talk about we love
good triggers, we love nineteen eleven triggers and all the
rest of it. But you can, in fact learn to
shoot most triggers.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Guy can learn a trigger in about three to five shots.
But I have to allow my trigger finger to learn.
Most people try to apply what they do with their
gun to a new trigger. So if I, like my
daddy said, never let the trigger finger leave the face
of the trigger. Okay, my daddy said, just a tip
of your finger. Well, you know those don't apply to
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every gun.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I mean revolvers.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We certainly don't shoot revolvers with tip of our fingers.
Can't do it double single action, yes, not in double action,
just what you said. And there are other guns out
there that have what we would consider really crappy triggers,
but they're very carriable triggers. They're the right trigger for carry.
They take a conscious effort to press that trigger.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That is a really good point, because do you really
want a one and a half or two pound trigger
on your carry gun? Not me?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean the lightest I've ever carried on.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And you can and you can control them. You're good,
you can do that, but you still.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Don't want it right.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And the lightest I ever went on a carry gun
was three and a half and I have used that
gun in defensive situations and I never had issues with it.
But you cannot just put a three and a half
pound trigger in anyboddy's hands when they are when their
butthole is so tight you can't jam a twenty two
cleaning route up it. They're tight, their nerves are up,
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their vision is included. Their ability to hear is acluded.
Fine motor skills are gone, and man, their fine motor
skills are gone because they don't train that fine motor skill.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So you can't train it.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean with all your law enforcement you know, local, state, federal,
all the stuff you've done, you've done a lot of this,
You've gone through shoothouses, you've done all this stuff. You
can train through that.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Absolutely, Well, here's the question I asked Tom, and you
tell me finer gross, finer gross uh, slide lock lever,
locking the slide to the rear finer gross, uh fine, okay,
magazine release finer, gross.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Fine, a little bit more more gross.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, but it's pretty fine.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Button pushing a little by buttons fine, yeah, okay, so
how about trigger fine?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So we are expected to do all these other fine
motor skills, but we tell people you can't do anything
that's a fine motor skill because when the when the feces.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Hits the fan, you're going to lose your ability.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So basically we're saying you're screwed, but that's not true.
The more the more you shoot, the more you train,
the more you it actually becomes self conscious I have
found myself in the middle of strings doing a reload.
I didn't even realize I'd done a reload or a malfunction.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Or exactly malfunction. Well, exactly, I had a malfunction and
did a reload, finished a nol presidente and people said, bet,
that was a really good reload. Did I don't really
remember it.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I remember watching Colton, my boy, my oldest boy, shoot
and somebody would walk up and say, man, the way
you cleared that malfunction, And I said, he had a malfunction.
I didn't even see it, because he'll look over on
the side of that shotgun. He'll be stripping that shell
out of there and just right back into shooting. Because
it's stuff that we've done, so just get you've done
it hundreds or thousands of times. Well, and it doesn't
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even have to be that many times. It just has
to be done right, because every opportunity we have to
do something right is a training opportunity, and repetition is
some other of all skill. What you do most often
is what you will do when you have no time
to think. The problem is we go to the lot,
we go to the indoor shooting range where they don't
let us do anything that is tactically sound, and then
we just do things. Everything is administrative. So when it
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happens under stress, we start, we just start fumbling and twitching,
and or we're.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Driving out to that administrative speed and you're just working
in slow motion because that's all you've ever done before.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, and I don't even think that's the deal, Tom,
I think that we would love to be able to
drop back to that administrative speed. But however we feel
the pressure of time or emminente danger and we just
start funneling and dropping and art. Yeah, everything just seizes up.
But hey, you know, I mean there's so much that goes.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
My whole mission. I don't know if we're ending now.
I'm sure we are. My whole mission in my training
career over thirty some years has been to demystify shooting.
Focus on what's important and learn it and practice it correctly,
and you will default to your level of training and
you will be amazed at what you are able to
do under stress.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Basic stuff. Chris Rino right here at range Ready Studio.
Check it out range readystudios dot com. Hey, don't go far,
gun Talk will be right back give me a call
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you know, through most of those designs. So congratulations on
all your work in the fireman industry.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well yeah, I'm still getting royalties off at nineteen eleven.
I mean, why wouldn't you, right? Welcome back to gun Talk,
Oh man, was that not fun? Here? In Chris Sorito. Yeah,
his description of when you well, I can't even repeat it.
The twenty two caliber clean rod comment, Holy cow only Chris.
(14:32):
He is so funny, His classes are so hilarious. A
great instructor. He is a truius evant when it comes
to shooting and teaching shooting. Looking forward to it. I'm
going to be doing two days of class with him
this week. Speaking of that I mentioned earlier, we're doing
this class Thursday and Friday this week here at rains
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Ready Studios. It's one of the experience classes and we're
using a Jacob Gray using their TWC black. It is
double Stack nineteen eleven nine millimeter kind of like you know,
the whole category that is Toaccado and spring fel Armory
Prodigy and Kimber's got them. Everybody's got them now, and
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they're really cool and they really shoot, and they're really
well made, and they're pricey. I mean, this one is
about a close to three thousand dollars pistol. I mean,
you can buy double Stack nineteen elevens for less, a
good bit less, but this one's about three grand and
it's got a fatter guip because it's double stack. And
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what I don't know yet and what I'm looking forward
to finding out is how well can I operate it?
Because I am very well conversant with nineteen elevens single stack.
I mean, I don't even think about the thumb safety.
I just operated subconsciously. When the gun comes up on target,
the safety goes off. Is soon as the gun comes
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off of target, safety goes back on. I'm not even
aware that I'm doing it. I don't have any problem
with a grip safety. It's actually where I learned the
proper way of getting your hand on a gun in
a holster. You jam your hand down on the gun
to get a proper firing grip while it's in the holester.
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In of course, with the nineteen eleven you do that
partly as a way to deactivate the grip safety, but
it works with all guns. You get a good proper
firing grip. The moment the gun comes out of the holster,
you've got a firing grip once, so all you got
to do is raise the muscle up and you can
start shooting. Whether or not the guns come out in
front of you. You're ready to suit if needed. So
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I'm not worried about operating the nineteen eleven. What I
am concerned about? And I have small ish hands, short fingers,
come stuppy fingers. It's can I operate the controls while
I have this fat grip in my hand? I don't
know yet. I played with the gun a little bit
earlier this past week, went out and shot a little
bit fifty rounds through it. God, man, I think shoots
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really a nice pistol. I guess one of the questions
is is where does it fit? Where does the whole
double stack nineteen eleven fit. It's a great competition gun,
and that's kind of where Chicago started under another name
called STI, and they were competition gun. But now you've
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got a lot of people carrying these guns is conceal carry,
and you got a lot of SWAT units that are
using them. And that's fine. But now we also have
double stack carry pistols that are much much smaller, the
whole category of micro nines that carry almost as much
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AMMO ten twelve seventeen rounds. How does all that stack up?
I don't know the answer to that yet. I mean,
maybe you have a an idea of how you have
settled boys you decide you're going to carry just an
interesting idea. Let's go grab Larry out of Fort Smith, Arkansas. Hey, Larry,
you're on gun Talk. What's turn your mind? Sara on
line five?
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Yeah, what's the time? I have a mechanic TP nine
FX white out a vision and I've kind of a
buddy of mine passed away about three years ago and
I kind of acquired it from him and I've held
on to it for the last three years. It's never
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been fired. Brand in the box. It's about number twenty
six hundred and five thousand eight, and I just kind
of wondered if you would have any idea if that
thing is going to go anywhere in the market. I mean,
I've been on gun Broker and I've looked and they
have a few on gun Broker and every one of
them are fifteen fifteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well is that where? Is that what they're selling for
or is that what they're asking for them?
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Yeah, that's what they're that's what they're asking.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, Okay, do you know what they're do you know
how much they're selling for?
Speaker 11 (19:04):
Well? I went to a few satellite places, just some
gun stores, and I actually found one for about seven
and a half.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh okay, so now now we've established the real vase.
So do you know how much? I mean, I guess
the real question is do you want to keep it?
Do you want to sell it? Because we got to
start there because if you said, okay, I'm going to
keep it and make it an investment, I cannot think
of a worse investment than guns. In most cases, they're
just generally a terrible investment. Right.
Speaker 11 (19:36):
Well, it's been a queen. It's been a safe queen
for the three years now. He had a girlfriend that
he actually gave the gun to, and he told her
not to sell it until she was in a bind. Well,
the other day she was in a bind. You when
I had bought it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, you helped her out. I get that. We've all
done that, one or a lot of us have.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Right.
Speaker 11 (19:55):
So I've got this gun in my safe that I
don't know whether to shoot it, you know, have fun
with it, or to hang on to it.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Okay, I'm probably the wrong person to ask because I
don't really collect guns. I don't care about the whole
investment thing. I mean, I don't think it's hard to
make money on guns, and I probably wouldn't list a
cannick as one that I would invest in. If it
were me, if you just asked me, what would I do?
I would shoot the blazes out of that sucker.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Okay, all right, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The first one is the only one that matters the
first round. After that, they're all free, right as far
as collector, but right.
Speaker 11 (20:36):
Right, yeah, yeah, I was just I've been sitting there
wondering about it for a while and wondering if I
just need to go ahead and just keep it in
my safe or you know, just go out and shoot it.
I mean, as far as tradeing value, I might even
consider that it's keeping it news so I could trade it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
In on Well, okay, if you're going to do that,
If you say, okay, I really don't care about shooting it.
If you don't care about it, then I wouldn't shoot
it because it is going to retain value in terms
of trading that. It's not an investment. It's not going
to go up a lot, but it's probably worth more
unfired go to a gun store and do use that
as trading or somebody. At that point, Yeah, it makes sense.
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Just I would probably not shoot it. But if you're saying, boy,
I would really love to shoot that, then fire away
do it. But yeah, you're right either way. That's the
thing is, there's no wrong decision. Whichever one you do
is correct for you. But if it sounds like you're
now thinking I can use this to buy something else,
if that's what you're going to do, then I definitely
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would not shoot it. And the other thing is I
wouldn't sit on it. I would just go ahead and
convert that thing to cash or to another gun. Look,
I appreciate the call, sir and interesting gun, but that's
kind of where I am is. If it's unfired and
you want to use it for trading or something, great,
don't shoot it. But if you're thinking, yeah, I like
to shoot that, shoot it. I mean that's what they're
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made for. I mean, I don't have any guns I
don't shoot. I don't have a single gun that I
would not shoot. But that's just me. For me, they
are utilitarian pieces. Let's go out and make noise with
make a glorious noise for the Second Amendment. Welcome back
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and join me as we go down the barrel of
high end gun geekery. Less is going to help me
with that. He is in Bayside, Texas. Hey, less, let's
talk about that first shot cold war problem. You got
a solution.
Speaker 12 (22:42):
Good afternoon, Tom, Well, I have something that works for me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (22:47):
There's a fello out of Canadian Texas named David Tubb.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Sure I know David, and.
Speaker 12 (22:54):
We turned around in that direction about every afternoon Virginia
flex towards Canadian Texas.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
G David Tubb has he set the world on fire
with his rifle shoot. He was literally no better than
him two or three decades ago.
Speaker 12 (23:11):
To shortens up, he sells a product called hBN hexagonal
boron nitride, and it's a coating for bullets and it's
outs as being making your first shot the same of
your cowboy shot, the same as your subsequent shots. And
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it works. Uh, it's not hard. We use a little
barbratory tumble and we coat all. A friend of mine
and I we do a lot of shooting. We like
to go a prairie dog and and all that, and
we do a lot of shooting and we coat it
not only cuts down on the copper filing. And I
(23:53):
don't work for the day tub by the way I
sell John Dear Machinery here in South Texas. But anyway,
it's it's not expensive. But you one little container that
stuff will coach thousands of bullets if you've got a
little vibratory tumbr Okay, that's all you need.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And if people want to know more about it that
they just go to David Tubb. That's with two b's
t Ubb David Tubb dot com. Yeah, David, all that
stuff is.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
That is their website I think is Superior Shooting.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, And here's the deal. If David Tubb says it's
true for me, it's true. I don't need anything else
beyond that, because when that man tells you about accuracy,
you better pay attention.
Speaker 12 (24:37):
And I know from experience from using this that it
really does work. Your first shot and your second shot
or your third shot will be all in the same
place provided you put them in the same placed.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
All right. So that's called heck sagonal boron nitride or
h b N. And you coach a book. You're hand
learning for people understand this is not factory or you're
handloading the bullets and then you're coating them and then handload.
Speaker 12 (25:04):
Them, right you have to handload.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, yep, yeah, Okay, just I appreciate that. Good information.
Less I did. Really I knew about molly coding, which
is messy and everything else, and I guess hBN is
a lot less messy, So good info. I appreciate that.
We'll pass that along. Let's grab Mike in Springfield mess Online. Four.
Hey Mike, you're on gun Talk. What you talk about here?
Speaker 13 (25:26):
Well, I've got a question for you concerning Marrow and
forty five seventies. Now I'm just curious is what it
looks like.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
They make a.
Speaker 13 (25:35):
Handful of different guns, but every one of them has
these weird shaped levers on it.
Speaker 11 (25:42):
They don't give you a choice.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, they kind of have gone with the big loop
on a lot of their levers as opposed to the
traditional kind of flatter loop on those levers. I'm kind
I mean, look, I understand the big loop is great
when you you have gloves on, and I think originally
it came about because like John Wayne wanted to spend
(26:06):
his rifle or Lucas McCain did on the riflemen. But
it is kind of a different look and maybe a
little bit bulky. Obviously, you can replace the lever, it's
not difficult to that, but just extra money.
Speaker 13 (26:21):
Well, what are you going to replace?
Speaker 9 (26:23):
It?
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Was?
Speaker 13 (26:23):
You got a pistol grip. I think all the ones
that you're making a pistol grip too.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
M Yeah, good point.
Speaker 13 (26:32):
I mean years ago I got a straight weaver from
Numberach and put on a three thirty six thirty thirty
and cut the trigger plate and the stock down, and man,
that is a sweet handling gun.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know, it's funny you say that because I it's
I do like the straight grip on the lever action
more than the pistol grip. And I hadn't even thought
about that that you couldn't replace because of the pistol
grip on the area you couldn't put a traditional lever.
Now you you know what you got me all upset, Mike.
I wasn't even thinking about this. Now look what you've done,
(27:06):
and me.
Speaker 13 (27:06):
I'm kind of I'm not really crippled up with a
made up of arthritis and the pistol grip and that
big white loop that really increases before he got stretch.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Your arm mat Yep, yep, yep. You know what's the
solution to that is, isn't it?
Speaker 11 (27:20):
You?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You get your semi single shot or go Semiauto. There
you go. Neither one of them is what you're looking for.
I get that. It's an interesting idea of the Thank you, sir,
levers Man. There's a lot of lever actions out there.
You've got Smith and Wesson now with it's eighteen fifty
four level actions. Really nice. Obviously, Marlin's got a bunch Henry.
(27:45):
Oh oh, newsflash. Just saw the news release this week.
Henry repeating Arms is moving its entire operation. They're going
to make all their They've been making guns in New Jersey,
believe it or not for all these years. They're moving
their all manufacturing to Wisconsin, center of the country, good
old heartland of America. This is a big deal moving
(28:08):
out of New Jersey. And I really think Henry has
done more to promote lever actions and get people to
think about getting lever actions at anybody else that than
anybody else, all of them combined. Frankly, you know, Winchester, Marlin,
Smith and Wesson, Rossy some others out there, and you
got a lot of people now interested in lever actions.
(28:29):
But I think it, frankly came about because of Henry
and their marketing, and what they were able to do
is they started advertising in general interest magazines and on
television outlets that would not allow ads for other guns.
But lever actions were okay because those were cowboy guns
(28:50):
and nobody could possibly hurt somebody else with that cowboy gun, right,
not understanding that if there is such thing as on
a salt weapon, and there's not, that the original lever
action works most certainly that way back then. Just funny stuff, little,
(29:11):
you know, weird stuff that I think about. All right,
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call Me, tom talk. Gun jeff did? That he's In, Boise.
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Idaho THAT'S, boyc not BOY, Z Right, jeff that's Right.
Speaker 16 (31:53):
Tom how are you?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
DOING i am good what you? Got?
Speaker 16 (31:56):
HEY i got my birth that's under thirty two And
i'm really happy about. It, first THE usa came through
and my buddies AND i got a total of six of.
Them and, WELL i called you a couple of weeks
ago and you, said why could anybody want a thirty?
Two and my answer is reliability and recoiled label than
the twenty two and it's less recoiled than the three.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Eighty, okay so you've been shooting. It how's it? Work?
Speaker 16 (32:22):
Yeah we went to the range yesterday with my son OR. I,
yeah and we shot the thirty two and both the
twenty two and the thirty two and the three. Eighty
they're all exactly the same, gun but the different calibers
and it just works. Super if you're down, here you
can go to the range and shoot.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It, huh, okay what's the? PLAN i, mean is this
a carry gun or is this just a fun?
Speaker 16 (32:43):
Gun oh, no it's really is a carry. Gun it's
a little bit big for a carry. Gun but you,
KNOW i tried all the twenty twos and they're so
difficult with the reliability THAT i had to pump up
to Something i'm seventy. Five. Well the nice thing also
about those they all take the armor, laser the same,
laser and when you're seventy five years, old the laser
can help you Some so it's a perfect. Combination and
(33:04):
that there's actually a few of them sealing at the
gun stores so people could get. Them they haven't been
available for twelve, years so you, know now's the time
if somebody wants to get a thirty two.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Auto we're no.
Speaker 16 (33:15):
Kidding it's kind of a carry.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Idea how how does it?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Work are you able to find an? Ammo?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Okay oh, yeah thirty two is.
Speaker 16 (33:23):
Easy it's expensive, though it's like forty five cents a.
Round but because it's the same gun as the twenty,
TWO i can shoot the twenty. Two it's seven cents.
Around But harry the occasionally shoots the thirty two and
they create a little. Bit they're exactly the, same and
you should feel the. Difference and so if you want,
to you, know you want to try all three of,
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them you can actually feel what the difference.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
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Speaker 2 (33:48):
Gun all, Right, well good. INFORMATION i appreciate, that. Sir
congrats on getting that a whole passel of. Guns, there thank.
You let's see. HERE i want to Grab paul online
three out of why, Hey, paul you're.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Up, hey hey, There, Tom, hey you were talking about
lever guns and stuff like, that AND i don't hear
a lot of talk anymore about the thirty eight to
fifty Five. Winchester and that is WHAT i took my
FIRST elk, with was the thirty eight to fifty, five
(34:21):
and since, then you, know NUMEROUS elk with numerous newer
calibers and stuff like, That my thirty odd six and
so on and so. Forth but, yeah the thirty eight
fifty five is an awesome cartridge and it's arrange, limitations
(34:42):
but you know, what it's awesome on game and things like.
That SO i just haven't heard a lot about the
thirty eight fifty Five. Winchester do you still have that?
Gun you, know the first YEAR i was, OUT i
couldn't afford to buy my own, rifle and SO i
borrowed it from a cousin and it was his father's
(35:06):
and he let me borrow. It and, yeah that that lever.
ACTION i WISH i had. It i'm going to try
and talk him out of it one of these. Years
but he's got he's got these sons and stuff like
that to pass it.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Down you. Know, well you, know that's one of the
things that's kind of fun is that even the old
cartridges like that work really well and you get to.
TALK i, mean, HONESTLY i had to go look up
the thirty eight to fifty. FIVE i had no a
thing in the world about. It straight wall. Cartridge, uh you,
know fun lever action. Cartridge if you can find, one
pick it. Up you can still GET ammo for him And,
paul thank you for the. CALL i appreciate that there
(35:44):
are so many cool, cartridges old ones and new. Ones
it's just an amazing. Thing and you think there are
so many that we don't need any new, ones, right
except that they're new ones coming out all the. Time
the SEVENTH, prc the six, eighths the six is the
you know. Whatever so, oh speaking of five, SEVENS i
(36:04):
mentioned several weeks ago That celtech brought out a semi
automatic pistol. Chamber it for the five seven cartries five
seven twenty. Eight but it does not take magazines semi.
Automatic it takes. CLIPS i, know it sounds, weird like
a stripper clip or you can sing a. Load just
shoving them down on the top of the. Gun sounds.
(36:25):
Goofy two big ADVANTAGES i can see to. It, well
let me just SAY i shot. It it shoots. Great
one advantage is without having to have a grip that
takes a, magazine the grip is much, smaller so the
grip is really small and the gun is, thin lightweight
and shoots really. Well but there's another one that occurs to,
me and maybe this is really why they were making.
(36:46):
It it doesn't take. Magazines it doesn't take detachable. Magazines
would that not make it impervious to magazine capacity laws
in states that limit capacity to ten rounds because there
is no magazine at. All there's just the gun you're.
(37:06):
Shoving ammo down into the. Gun you can't pop a
magazine out and put another one. In now they do
have it set. Up or you can use specialized stripper.
Clips you'd have to look that up to see where
a stripper clip, is and you can load them pretty
quickly with. Those it's a very, affordable interesting five point
(37:28):
seven caliber. Pistol it once again the people at the
skunk works At celtech have come up with something that
everybody else is, going what is? That why would they do?
That and it seems like every time they do it
takes the market a little while to figure it, out
(37:49):
and then they, go, oh that's what that. Does that's,
cool whether it's a pistol that shoots twenty two magnum
that's lightweight and holds a bucket full OF, ammo or
crazy shotguns that have two magazine, tubes or teeny tiny
(38:11):
little self defense. PISTOLS i was spoken At celtech do
some interesting. STUFF i, mean, honestly this was one WHERE
i just, THOUGHT i don't get this one at. All
obnest see what this is all. ABOUT i really. DID
i was completely prepared to not like this gun UNTIL
i got it in my hand and shot, it, which
by the way is a reminder to everybody who's saying
(38:33):
nobody NEEDS, x or why would they do, that or
that's a stupid idea when they've never seen, it they
never felt, it they never picked it, up and they
certainly have never shot. It you might want to hold
off on the negative comments on new stuff until you've
had a chance to actually shoot, it or at least
talk to somebody who's actually shot, it because you're probably
(38:55):
going to find out there was a real reason behind,
it and probably it fills a nitch that you didn't
even know. Existed that was certainly the case with. Me,
hey you call me right. Now we'll get you into
(39:16):
the after, show which comes. In, well it comes in
just a few minutes from. Now jim called in right.
Now just it's a weird. DEAL i was just talking
about Cal tech and Then jim calls in with a
comment about a Cel. Tech So, jim what you? Got?
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Uh friend of, mine a friend of he has showed
up and showed him his Cal TECH cmr thirty twenty
two magt collapsing.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Buck, yeah a Little. Kirby.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah so he goes and buys one and he calls me,
up AND i took the wife to the gun store
and we there was one in the gun, case and
she looked at and she, GOES i want. One so
we bought it and brought her. HOME i put a
four Part leopold on, it And charlotte thirty, yards, no
fifty five, yards excuse? Me, okay and you cover three
(40:02):
shots with a. Dime and it's just it's just an excellent.
GUN i, mean.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Is this thing as much fun as it looks like
it would?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Be oh, YEAH.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
I got it mainly just to hunt jack rabbits on the.
Ranch and it's just a fantastic.
Speaker 12 (40:24):
GUN i have no.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
COMPLAINTS i mean it's got a collapsible. Stock uh thirty
round magazine or twenty two magdum and has two magazines, right, correct.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
It's ready for a. Suppressor you got the it's a barrel.
Threaded now when it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Says too let me ask. You when it says there's two?
Magazines are both magazines in the pistol?
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Grip, no it was just one at a, Time but,
okay comes to, magazine it.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Just comes to too, Many. OKAY i was trying to
figure that out on the. Website this, thing this looks
like it would be so useful, man AND i bet
it's lightweight and. Heady, yeah three point eight, pounds it.
Says i'm looking at the website if anybody wants to
look along there Cel Tech WEAPONS K E L T E,
c Cal Tech weapons dot com and what running about
(41:16):
six hundred bucks.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
BALLPARK i don't remember now exactly what it.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Was, YEAH i think it's something like. That you. Know
it's just not bad at, all in tons of fun
and very useful and, frankly would be a pretty decent
self defense gun for a lot of. Folk people say
twenty two, Magnum, yes twenty two maximum thirty rounds of fast,
fire twenty two magnum, absolutely why?
Speaker 14 (41:36):
Not?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
RIGHT i?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
SHOT i took a canvel soup can and ate the,
soup of, course AND i filled it up with water
and set it up at fifty five, yards shot it
with a hollow, point and it absolutely destroyed that. Can,
yes with no pressure from the, inside you, know the
lid was, off had, water and it just shredded a.
Speaker 12 (41:59):
Can that's ALL i can.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Say it's called THE cmr. Thirty it's a little carbing
or carbine whichever one you, prefer From, celtech great range
at Poor, jim thank, you, SIR i appreciate THAT i
had seen. IT i mean seeing the pictures of. IT
i haven't shot, one haven't seen, one and Now i'm
looking at it and, going, huh that looks like. Fun
(42:22):
it's got flip up magpull. Sites you could use iron.
Sights you could drop a red dot on, it could
put a scope on, it Like jim, did a lot
of different ways to go nice and. Comeback when you
collapse that, stock it just kind of folds. Up it slides,
in doesn't fold. Over it just slides, in pops back,
out lightweight and Tweetoo magnum twe. Do magnum is actually
(42:42):
a really good. Cartridge OH msrp is six forty. FIVE
i see it on the website now six hundred and
forty five. Bucks probably get it for one hundred bucks
less than that if you poke around look for. It
so there you. Go, hey if you want to join
us for the after, show if you got something you
want to, contribute or you just want to complain about,
stuff why not give you a call eight six six talk.
Gun in the, meantime go, ahead do some shooting this.
(43:03):
Week take some people with, you invite them to go
to the. Range and introduce people to this great lifetime
sport of. Shooting and if you have a gun for self,
defense if you plan to protect your life and the
life of other, people please, please please make a commitment
to get good at, it be competent at, it because
you're Probably, honestly if you don't go to real training,
classes you're probably not and you're not nearly as good
(43:26):
as you think you are because there are areas that
you just don't even know. About so make that. Commitment
protect yourself and your. Family you owe it to. Them
be careful out, there watch those lawciness
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham and
you can call us anytime you want to easily. It
is Tom Talk gun. How's that for odd number you
can remember? So I'm over here at the Range reading studios,
the headquarters of gun Talk Media, and just out of
the range. I just broughty men literally just sat down
Chris Sorino, who is head of training, head of hell
(00:37):
Chris your head of everything.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, I'm a head of janitorial services, head of maintenance,
producer of training content and director of training for range Ready.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
All right, so you gotta you came in, you're smiling.
You go, man, I got it? What second shot? So
tell them what you just did. This was a good
This is for guns and gear.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, well it's for guns and gear.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We're filming a segment with the Marlon Trapper in forty
five seventy's a short, short gun, probably sixteen inches and
it has a peep sight. On it, and I cut
the hangman's rope. Now, granted it would have been a
one shot cut. If there had been the weight of
a lone star outlaw cowboy hanging from that thing, it
would have snapped. But I freighted it down to one
(01:17):
strand and I had to shoot that dang strand one
more time.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Should anybody willing to get hung to help you out with?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Nobody was willing to hang on the end of the
rope for me, but yeah, and it's it's something that
we're going to actually do for Leverfest when we have
everybody out here for Leverfest. So I set it up
the other day to give it a try to see
if it could be done, because you know, I've done
it on top shot, but hey, I've never set it up.
So I made these cool, really cool hangman's noose rope
targets that the guys are going to practice on. Of course,
(01:45):
they're not going to know what's going to happen later.
You know, they're going to get to hey, this is
a fun target to shoot at. Yeah, these guns are accurate,
blah blah blah. And then final day they'll be like,
oh no, we got to cut the rope. Yeah, and
you win a special prize if you cut the rope
in the lever.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
All right, So even before that, you're out there doing
something goofy with a mirror and shooting backwards.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, you know, I figured I try to spice the
season up this year, So I had the new Savage
twenty two out there and lever action and we were
doing the old Antioakley shot. It's over the shoulder, Yeah,
over the shoulder with a mirror, and it's you'd be
amazed how easy it is once you get used to it.
But those sits on that gun happen to be really tight,
so there's not a lot of light spacing. A buckhorn
(02:25):
site with a brass bead is the best, which is
probably what Aoakley is, Yeah exactly. But these are just
black on black and they're's limited in none light spacing.
So when I see all black all the way across,
I just pressed the trigger.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Just see what happens.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, we were hitting all kinds of stuff. Even got
kJ to do it. Aymn Michael, our editor and sound man,
you got them.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
We got them to do it once. But see the difference.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Like for me, I did the slow mos I got
two shots off in eight seconds, because that's what we
got for slow mo. Right, So I got two knocked
down two targets. They came up and they tried it,
and it probably took them five minutes just to find
the sights.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Literally, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And then once you find it and you start figuring
it out, it gets easier.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's good. It's like a trick and you go, oh, okay,
I get I see what we do.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You got to move your shoulder.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You got to move your body, You got to move
your head, you got to you gotta move the butt
stock of the gun. You use your body and your
shoulder to lift the fore end to find the sights.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
There's a lot of stuff love doing that. It's like,
you know, you out there. One of the things you
demonstrate doing classes, you're staying on one foot and careta
having a gun a pistol upside down one handed and
pressing the trigger. But it's not just like I.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Can do this. You're making a point when you do something.
The point is anybody can do this. Because what we
always say, and you know what our logo is, you know,
it's grip sites and trigger. Our slogan is grip, sites
and trigger. You know, hold the gun correctly, see the
sites what you need to see, you know, site picture,
and press the trigger while it's all together.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You got to see it.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You got to see the picture, shoot the picture. But
even in the absence of a of a good grip
comes down to put.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Sites on target, pressed trigger.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's it. On the one hand, you could do it.
You can hold the gun upside down, you can do it.
You can do it standing on one foot, you can
do it your big toe. Yeah, you don't need you
got a trigger finger. You got to be able to
press the trigger without disturbing the sites. Basically press the
trigger without moving the gun exactly. And I mean, and
that's not that's not hard. It's just hard because we
(04:23):
influence the firearm a lot. I'm just gonna say it
shouldn't be hard, except for the fact that we really
humans don't like having a big explosion going off two
feet in front of their face, and so we start
reacting to that and going, Okay, I'm gonna really blow up.
I'm gonna basically flinch as a way of protecting myself
against the noise, the flash, or the jumping of this
(04:44):
gun because it's unpleasant, and the real training is how
do you shoot through that and say, I'm just going
to press this trigger regardless of the fact that I
know all this.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Is coming well.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And that's what we've been saying for a while now.
One of my new newer slogans is without fear. There's
three fears that we all have. We have fear of
the muzzle blast, the muzzle blast in the sound.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We have fear of control because we're a type personalities.
Who do you think shoots guns and does this stuff.
I mean people that like they like control, they're not
afraid of big power, right. And then the last fear
is fear of performance, which is the one that kills everybody.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, because everybody wants it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yes, they try harder, they shoot harder, they do everything,
but just put sights on target and press the trigger.
And then of course it all comes down to timing.
You know, pre ignition push, which is bad. So I'm
pushing into the gun before the bullet leaves the barrel.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
You do that to anticipate the gun's gonna jump up.
So we want to push down on right, So most.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
People push early because they're just they're just afraid of
loss of control. So then there's post ignition push, which
is we push at the exact right timing. So if
I'm running through a magazine of eight rounds and there's
a dummy in there somewhere and I'm just lacing them in,
I'm going pop pop pop pop pop click, and then
I push that gun and it almost goes into the
dirt because they see me push it into the dirt
(06:03):
and they're like, oh, you flinched, You flinched, And I say, well,
look at the target. How can I be flinching if
the target has them all in the same hole. What
I'm doing is a post ignition push, which is good.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
The saying is.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They're offsetting the recoil by pushing into it.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, well you got to drive it back to the target.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Remember I was arguing with you about gun rises in
false right. Okay, Well the gun rises and it says
some degree at falls. Okay, if I don't influence it all,
if I don't have muscular tension, the gun rise and falls.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But I don't want it to just rise and fall.
I want it to go back to the target yesterday.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It rises and falls at its own rate. You don't
want it to go at its rate. You want to
go at your right right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So we work on it, and so the saying that
goes along with that, and most guys that are listening
to this can can probably relate. When I say, beware
the man with one gun. He probably knows how to
use it. He knows how the trigger feels, he knows
when the SHOT's going to break, he knows what the
recoil impulse is. He knows what the muzzle blast and
everything about that gun. He shoots without any fear of control, mozzard,
(06:59):
blinde or performance because he knows that if he does
his job, the gun will do its job.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
All right, I got a question for you, talking about
if you know your gun, you can shoot it. Spin
off of that because we always talk about we love
good triggers, we love nineteen eleven triggers and all the
rest of it. But you can, in fact learn to
shoot most triggers.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Guy can learn a trigger in about three to five shots.
But I have to allow my trigger finger to learn.
Most people try to apply what they do with their
gun to a new trigger. So if I, like my
daddy said, never let the trigger finger leave the face
of the trigger. Okay, my daddy said, just a tip
of your finger. Well, you know those don't apply to
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every gun.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I mean revolvers.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We certainly don't shoot revolvers with tip of our fingers.
Can't do it double single action, yes, not in double action,
just what you said. And there are other guns out
there that have what we would consider really crappy triggers,
but they're very carriable triggers. They're the right trigger for carry.
They take a conscious effort to press that trigger.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That is a really good point, because do you really
want a one and a half or two pound trigger
on your carry gun? Not me?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I mean the lightest I've ever carried on.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And you can and you can control them. You're good,
you can do that, but you still.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Don't want it right.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And the lightest I ever went on a carry gun
was three and a half and I have used that
gun in defensive situations and I never had issues with it.
But you cannot just put a three and a half
pound trigger in anyboddy's hands when they are when their
butthole is so tight you can't jam a twenty two
cleaning route up it. They're tight, their nerves are up,
(08:33):
their vision is included. Their ability to hear is acluded.
Fine motor skills are gone, and man, their fine motor
skills are gone because they don't train that fine motor skill.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
So you can't train it.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean with all your law enforcement you know, local, state, federal,
all the stuff you've done, you've done a lot of this,
You've gone through shoothouses, you've done all this stuff. You
can train through that.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Absolutely, Well, here's the question I asked Tom, and you
tell me finer gross, finer gross uh, slide lock lever,
locking the slide to the rear finer gross, uh fine, okay,
magazine release finer, gross.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Fine, a little bit more more gross.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, but it's pretty fine.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Button pushing a little by buttons fine, yeah, okay, so
how about trigger fine?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So we are expected to do all these other fine
motor skills, but we tell people you can't do anything
that's a fine motor skill because when the when the feces.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Hits the fan, you're going to lose your ability.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So basically we're saying you're screwed, but that's not true.
The more the more you shoot, the more you train,
the more you it actually becomes self conscious I have
found myself in the middle of strings doing a reload.
I didn't even realize I'd done a reload or a malfunction.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Or exactly malfunction. Well, exactly, I had a malfunction and
did a reload, finished a nol presidente and people said, bet,
that was a really good reload. Did I don't really
remember it.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I remember watching Colton, my boy, my oldest boy, shoot
and somebody would walk up and say, man, the way
you cleared that malfunction, And I said, he had a malfunction.
I didn't even see it, because he'll look over on
the side of that shotgun. He'll be stripping that shell
out of there and just right back into shooting. Because
it's stuff that we've done, so just get you've done
it hundreds or thousands of times. Well, and it doesn't
(10:18):
even have to be that many times. It just has
to be done right, because every opportunity we have to
do something right is a training opportunity, and repetition is
some other of all skill. What you do most often
is what you will do when you have no time
to think. The problem is we go to the lot,
we go to the indoor shooting range where they don't
let us do anything that is tactically sound, and then
we just do things. Everything is administrative. So when it
(10:42):
happens under stress, we start, we just start fumbling and twitching,
and or we're.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Driving out to that administrative speed and you're just working
in slow motion because that's all you've ever done before.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, and I don't even think that's the deal, Tom,
I think that we would love to be able to
drop back to that administrative speed. But however we feel
the pressure of time or emminente danger and we just
start funneling and dropping and art. Yeah, everything just seizes up.
But hey, you know, I mean there's so much that goes.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
My whole mission. I don't know if we're ending now.
I'm sure we are. My whole mission in my training
career over thirty some years has been to demystify shooting.
Focus on what's important and learn it and practice it correctly,
and you will default to your level of training and
you will be amazed at what you are able to
do under stress.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Basic stuff. Chris Rino right here at range Ready Studio.
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Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well yeah, I'm still getting royalties off at nineteen eleven.
I mean, why wouldn't you, right? Welcome back to gun Talk,
Oh man, was that not fun? Here? In Chris Sorito. Yeah,
his description of when you well, I can't even repeat it.
The twenty two caliber clean rod comment, Holy cow only Chris.
(14:32):
He is so funny, His classes are so hilarious. A
great instructor. He is a truius evant when it comes
to shooting and teaching shooting. Looking forward to it. I'm
going to be doing two days of class with him
this week. Speaking of that I mentioned earlier, we're doing
this class Thursday and Friday this week here at rains
(14:53):
Ready Studios. It's one of the experience classes and we're
using a Jacob Gray using their TWC black. It is
double Stack nineteen eleven nine millimeter kind of like you know,
the whole category that is Toaccado and spring fel Armory
Prodigy and Kimber's got them. Everybody's got them now, and
(15:15):
they're really cool and they really shoot, and they're really
well made, and they're pricey. I mean, this one is
about a close to three thousand dollars pistol. I mean,
you can buy double Stack nineteen elevens for less, a
good bit less, but this one's about three grand and
it's got a fatter guip because it's double stack. And
(15:38):
what I don't know yet and what I'm looking forward
to finding out is how well can I operate it?
Because I am very well conversant with nineteen elevens single stack.
I mean, I don't even think about the thumb safety.
I just operated subconsciously. When the gun comes up on target,
the safety goes off. Is soon as the gun comes
(16:00):
off of target, safety goes back on. I'm not even
aware that I'm doing it. I don't have any problem
with a grip safety. It's actually where I learned the
proper way of getting your hand on a gun in
a holster. You jam your hand down on the gun
to get a proper firing grip while it's in the holester.
(16:25):
In of course, with the nineteen eleven you do that
partly as a way to deactivate the grip safety, but
it works with all guns. You get a good proper
firing grip. The moment the gun comes out of the holster,
you've got a firing grip once, so all you got
to do is raise the muscle up and you can
start shooting. Whether or not the guns come out in
front of you. You're ready to suit if needed. So
(16:47):
I'm not worried about operating the nineteen eleven. What I
am concerned about? And I have small ish hands, short fingers,
come stuppy fingers. It's can I operate the controls while
I have this fat grip in my hand? I don't
know yet. I played with the gun a little bit
earlier this past week, went out and shot a little
bit fifty rounds through it. God, man, I think shoots
(17:09):
really a nice pistol. I guess one of the questions
is is where does it fit? Where does the whole
double stack nineteen eleven fit. It's a great competition gun,
and that's kind of where Chicago started under another name
called STI, and they were competition gun. But now you've
(17:29):
got a lot of people carrying these guns is conceal carry,
and you got a lot of SWAT units that are
using them. And that's fine. But now we also have
double stack carry pistols that are much much smaller, the
whole category of micro nines that carry almost as much
(17:51):
AMMO ten twelve seventeen rounds. How does all that stack up?
I don't know the answer to that yet. I mean,
maybe you have a an idea of how you have
settled boys you decide you're going to carry just an
interesting idea. Let's go grab Larry out of Fort Smith, Arkansas. Hey, Larry,
you're on gun Talk. What's turn your mind? Sara on
line five?
Speaker 11 (18:12):
Yeah, what's the time? I have a mechanic TP nine
FX white out a vision and I've kind of a
buddy of mine passed away about three years ago and
I kind of acquired it from him and I've held
on to it for the last three years. It's never
(18:32):
been fired. Brand in the box. It's about number twenty
six hundred and five thousand eight, and I just kind
of wondered if you would have any idea if that
thing is going to go anywhere in the market. I mean,
I've been on gun Broker and I've looked and they
have a few on gun Broker and every one of
them are fifteen fifteen hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Well is that where? Is that what they're selling for
or is that what they're asking for them?
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Yeah, that's what they're that's what they're asking.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, Okay, do you know what they're do you know
how much they're selling for?
Speaker 11 (19:04):
Well? I went to a few satellite places, just some
gun stores, and I actually found one for about seven
and a half.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh okay, so now now we've established the real vase.
So do you know how much? I mean, I guess
the real question is do you want to keep it?
Do you want to sell it? Because we got to
start there because if you said, okay, I'm going to
keep it and make it an investment, I cannot think
of a worse investment than guns. In most cases, they're
just generally a terrible investment. Right.
Speaker 11 (19:36):
Well, it's been a queen. It's been a safe queen
for the three years now. He had a girlfriend that
he actually gave the gun to, and he told her
not to sell it until she was in a bind. Well,
the other day she was in a bind. You when
I had bought it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, you helped her out. I get that. We've all
done that, one or a lot of us have.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Right.
Speaker 11 (19:55):
So I've got this gun in my safe that I
don't know whether to shoot it, you know, have fun
with it, or to hang on to it.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Okay, I'm probably the wrong person to ask because I
don't really collect guns. I don't care about the whole
investment thing. I mean, I don't think it's hard to
make money on guns, and I probably wouldn't list a
cannick as one that I would invest in. If it
were me, if you just asked me, what would I do?
I would shoot the blazes out of that sucker.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Okay, all right, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
The first one is the only one that matters the
first round. After that, they're all free, right as far
as collector, but right.
Speaker 11 (20:36):
Right, yeah, yeah, I was just I've been sitting there
wondering about it for a while and wondering if I
just need to go ahead and just keep it in
my safe or you know, just go out and shoot it.
I mean, as far as tradeing value, I might even
consider that it's keeping it news so I could trade it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
In on Well, okay, if you're going to do that,
If you say, okay, I really don't care about shooting it.
If you don't care about it, then I wouldn't shoot
it because it is going to retain value in terms
of trading that. It's not an investment. It's not going
to go up a lot, but it's probably worth more
unfired go to a gun store and do use that
as trading or somebody. At that point, Yeah, it makes sense.
(21:16):
Just I would probably not shoot it. But if you're saying, boy,
I would really love to shoot that, then fire away
do it. But yeah, you're right either way. That's the
thing is, there's no wrong decision. Whichever one you do
is correct for you. But if it sounds like you're
now thinking I can use this to buy something else,
if that's what you're going to do, then I definitely
(21:37):
would not shoot it. And the other thing is I
wouldn't sit on it. I would just go ahead and
convert that thing to cash or to another gun. Look,
I appreciate the call, sir and interesting gun, but that's
kind of where I am is. If it's unfired and
you want to use it for trading or something, great,
don't shoot it. But if you're thinking, yeah, I like
to shoot that, shoot it. I mean that's what they're
(21:59):
made for. I mean, I don't have any guns I
don't shoot. I don't have a single gun that I
would not shoot. But that's just me. For me, they
are utilitarian pieces. Let's go out and make noise with
make a glorious noise for the Second Amendment. Welcome back
(22:25):
and join me as we go down the barrel of
high end gun geekery. Less is going to help me
with that. He is in Bayside, Texas. Hey, less, let's
talk about that first shot cold war problem. You got
a solution.
Speaker 12 (22:42):
Good afternoon, Tom, Well, I have something that works for me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (22:47):
There's a fello out of Canadian Texas named David Tubb.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Sure I know David, and.
Speaker 12 (22:54):
We turned around in that direction about every afternoon Virginia
flex towards Canadian Texas.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
G David Tubb has he set the world on fire
with his rifle shoot. He was literally no better than
him two or three decades ago.
Speaker 12 (23:11):
To shortens up, he sells a product called hBN hexagonal
boron nitride, and it's a coating for bullets and it's
outs as being making your first shot the same of
your cowboy shot, the same as your subsequent shots. And
(23:32):
it works. Uh, it's not hard. We use a little
barbratory tumble and we coat all. A friend of mine
and I we do a lot of shooting. We like
to go a prairie dog and and all that, and
we do a lot of shooting and we coat it
not only cuts down on the copper filing. And I
(23:53):
don't work for the day tub by the way I
sell John Dear Machinery here in South Texas. But anyway,
it's it's not expensive. But you one little container that
stuff will coach thousands of bullets if you've got a
little vibratory tumbr Okay, that's all you need.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And if people want to know more about it that
they just go to David Tubb. That's with two b's
t Ubb David Tubb dot com. Yeah, David, all that
stuff is.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
That is their website I think is Superior Shooting.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, And here's the deal. If David Tubb says it's
true for me, it's true. I don't need anything else
beyond that, because when that man tells you about accuracy,
you better pay attention.
Speaker 12 (24:37):
And I know from experience from using this that it
really does work. Your first shot and your second shot
or your third shot will be all in the same
place provided you put them in the same placed.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
All right. So that's called heck sagonal boron nitride or
h b N. And you coach a book. You're hand
learning for people understand this is not factory or you're
handloading the bullets and then you're coating them and then handload.
Speaker 12 (25:04):
Them, right you have to handload.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, yep, yeah, Okay, just I appreciate that. Good information.
Less I did. Really I knew about molly coding, which
is messy and everything else, and I guess hBN is
a lot less messy, So good info. I appreciate that.
We'll pass that along. Let's grab Mike in Springfield mess Online. Four.
Hey Mike, you're on gun Talk. What you talk about here?
Speaker 13 (25:26):
Well, I've got a question for you concerning Marrow and
forty five seventies. Now I'm just curious is what it
looks like.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
They make a.
Speaker 13 (25:35):
Handful of different guns, but every one of them has
these weird shaped levers on it.
Speaker 11 (25:42):
They don't give you a choice.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, they kind of have gone with the big loop
on a lot of their levers as opposed to the
traditional kind of flatter loop on those levers. I'm kind
I mean, look, I understand the big loop is great
when you you have gloves on, and I think originally
it came about because like John Wayne wanted to spend
(26:06):
his rifle or Lucas McCain did on the riflemen. But
it is kind of a different look and maybe a
little bit bulky. Obviously, you can replace the lever, it's
not difficult to that, but just extra money.
Speaker 13 (26:21):
Well, what are you going to replace?
Speaker 9 (26:23):
It?
Speaker 10 (26:23):
Was?
Speaker 13 (26:23):
You got a pistol grip. I think all the ones
that you're making a pistol grip too.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
M Yeah, good point.
Speaker 13 (26:32):
I mean years ago I got a straight weaver from
Numberach and put on a three thirty six thirty thirty
and cut the trigger plate and the stock down, and man,
that is a sweet handling gun.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
You know, it's funny you say that because I it's
I do like the straight grip on the lever action
more than the pistol grip. And I hadn't even thought
about that that you couldn't replace because of the pistol
grip on the area you couldn't put a traditional lever.
Now you you know what you got me all upset, Mike.
I wasn't even thinking about this. Now look what you've done,
(27:06):
and me.
Speaker 13 (27:06):
I'm kind of I'm not really crippled up with a
made up of arthritis and the pistol grip and that
big white loop that really increases before he got stretch.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Your arm mat Yep, yep, yep. You know what's the
solution to that is, isn't it?
Speaker 11 (27:20):
You?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You get your semi single shot or go Semiauto. There
you go. Neither one of them is what you're looking for.
I get that. It's an interesting idea of the Thank you, sir,
levers Man. There's a lot of lever actions out there.
You've got Smith and Wesson now with it's eighteen fifty
four level actions. Really nice. Obviously, Marlin's got a bunch Henry.
(27:45):
Oh oh, newsflash. Just saw the news release this week.
Henry repeating Arms is moving its entire operation. They're going
to make all their They've been making guns in New Jersey,
believe it or not for all these years. They're moving
their all manufacturing to Wisconsin, center of the country, good
old heartland of America. This is a big deal moving
(28:08):
out of New Jersey. And I really think Henry has
done more to promote lever actions and get people to
think about getting lever actions at anybody else that than
anybody else, all of them combined. Frankly, you know, Winchester, Marlin,
Smith and Wesson, Rossy some others out there, and you
got a lot of people now interested in lever actions.
(28:29):
But I think it, frankly came about because of Henry
and their marketing, and what they were able to do
is they started advertising in general interest magazines and on
television outlets that would not allow ads for other guns.
But lever actions were okay because those were cowboy guns
(28:50):
and nobody could possibly hurt somebody else with that cowboy gun, right,
not understanding that if there is such thing as on
a salt weapon, and there's not, that the original lever
action works most certainly that way back then. Just funny stuff, little,
(29:11):
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Speaker 16 (31:53):
Tom how are you?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
DOING i am good what you? Got?
Speaker 16 (31:56):
HEY i got my birth that's under thirty two And
i'm really happy about. It, first THE usa came through
and my buddies AND i got a total of six of.
Them and, WELL i called you a couple of weeks
ago and you, said why could anybody want a thirty?
Two and my answer is reliability and recoiled label than
the twenty two and it's less recoiled than the three.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Eighty, okay so you've been shooting. It how's it? Work?
Speaker 16 (32:22):
Yeah we went to the range yesterday with my son OR. I,
yeah and we shot the thirty two and both the
twenty two and the thirty two and the three. Eighty
they're all exactly the same, gun but the different calibers
and it just works. Super if you're down, here you
can go to the range and shoot.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It, huh, okay what's the? PLAN i, mean is this
a carry gun or is this just a fun?
Speaker 16 (32:43):
Gun oh, no it's really is a carry. Gun it's
a little bit big for a carry. Gun but you,
KNOW i tried all the twenty twos and they're so
difficult with the reliability THAT i had to pump up
to Something i'm seventy. Five. Well the nice thing also
about those they all take the armor, laser the same,
laser and when you're seventy five years, old the laser
can help you Some so it's a perfect. Combination and
(33:04):
that there's actually a few of them sealing at the
gun stores so people could get. Them they haven't been
available for twelve, years so you, know now's the time
if somebody wants to get a thirty two.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Auto we're no.
Speaker 16 (33:15):
Kidding it's kind of a carry.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Idea how how does it?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Work are you able to find an? Ammo?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Okay oh, yeah thirty two is.
Speaker 16 (33:23):
Easy it's expensive, though it's like forty five cents a.
Round but because it's the same gun as the twenty,
TWO i can shoot the twenty. Two it's seven cents.
Around But harry the occasionally shoots the thirty two and
they create a little. Bit they're exactly the, same and
you should feel the. Difference and so if you want,
to you, know you want to try all three of,
(33:44):
them you can actually feel what the difference.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Is it's, Great, Abby sam a.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Gun all, Right, well good. INFORMATION i appreciate, that. Sir
congrats on getting that a whole passel of. Guns, there thank.
You let's see. HERE i want to Grab paul online
three out of why, Hey, paul you're.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Up, hey hey, There, Tom, hey you were talking about
lever guns and stuff like, that AND i don't hear
a lot of talk anymore about the thirty eight to
fifty Five. Winchester and that is WHAT i took my
FIRST elk, with was the thirty eight to fifty, five
(34:21):
and since, then you, know NUMEROUS elk with numerous newer
calibers and stuff like, That my thirty odd six and
so on and so. Forth but, yeah the thirty eight
fifty five is an awesome cartridge and it's arrange, limitations
(34:42):
but you know, what it's awesome on game and things like.
That SO i just haven't heard a lot about the
thirty eight fifty Five. Winchester do you still have that?
Gun you, know the first YEAR i was, OUT i
couldn't afford to buy my own, rifle and SO i
borrowed it from a cousin and it was his father's
(35:06):
and he let me borrow. It and, yeah that that lever.
ACTION i WISH i had. It i'm going to try
and talk him out of it one of these. Years
but he's got he's got these sons and stuff like
that to pass it.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Down you. Know, well you, know that's one of the
things that's kind of fun is that even the old
cartridges like that work really well and you get to.
TALK i, mean, HONESTLY i had to go look up
the thirty eight to fifty. FIVE i had no a
thing in the world about. It straight wall. Cartridge, uh you,
know fun lever action. Cartridge if you can find, one
pick it. Up you can still GET ammo for him And,
paul thank you for the. CALL i appreciate that there
(35:44):
are so many cool, cartridges old ones and new. Ones
it's just an amazing. Thing and you think there are
so many that we don't need any new, ones, right
except that they're new ones coming out all the. Time
the SEVENTH, prc the six, eighths the six is the
you know. Whatever so, oh speaking of five, SEVENS i
(36:04):
mentioned several weeks ago That celtech brought out a semi
automatic pistol. Chamber it for the five seven cartries five
seven twenty. Eight but it does not take magazines semi.
Automatic it takes. CLIPS i, know it sounds, weird like
a stripper clip or you can sing a. Load just
shoving them down on the top of the. Gun sounds.
(36:25):
Goofy two big ADVANTAGES i can see to. It, well
let me just SAY i shot. It it shoots. Great
one advantage is without having to have a grip that
takes a, magazine the grip is much, smaller so the
grip is really small and the gun is, thin lightweight
and shoots really. Well but there's another one that occurs to,
me and maybe this is really why they were making.
(36:46):
It it doesn't take. Magazines it doesn't take detachable. Magazines
would that not make it impervious to magazine capacity laws
in states that limit capacity to ten rounds because there
is no magazine at. All there's just the gun you're.
(37:06):
Shoving ammo down into the. Gun you can't pop a
magazine out and put another one. In now they do
have it set. Up or you can use specialized stripper.
Clips you'd have to look that up to see where
a stripper clip, is and you can load them pretty
quickly with. Those it's a very, affordable interesting five point
(37:28):
seven caliber. Pistol it once again the people at the
skunk works At celtech have come up with something that
everybody else is, going what is? That why would they do?
That and it seems like every time they do it
takes the market a little while to figure it, out
(37:49):
and then they, go, oh that's what that. Does that's,
cool whether it's a pistol that shoots twenty two magnum
that's lightweight and holds a bucket full OF, ammo or
crazy shotguns that have two magazine, tubes or teeny tiny
(38:11):
little self defense. PISTOLS i was spoken At celtech do
some interesting. STUFF i, mean, honestly this was one WHERE
i just, THOUGHT i don't get this one at. All
obnest see what this is all. ABOUT i really. DID
i was completely prepared to not like this gun UNTIL
i got it in my hand and shot, it, which
by the way is a reminder to everybody who's saying
(38:33):
nobody NEEDS, x or why would they do, that or
that's a stupid idea when they've never seen, it they
never felt, it they never picked it, up and they
certainly have never shot. It you might want to hold
off on the negative comments on new stuff until you've
had a chance to actually shoot, it or at least
talk to somebody who's actually shot, it because you're probably
(38:55):
going to find out there was a real reason behind,
it and probably it fills a nitch that you didn't
even know. Existed that was certainly the case with. Me,
hey you call me right. Now we'll get you into
(39:16):
the after, show which comes. In, well it comes in
just a few minutes from. Now jim called in right.
Now just it's a weird. DEAL i was just talking
about Cal tech and Then jim calls in with a
comment about a Cel. Tech So, jim what you? Got?
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Uh friend of, mine a friend of he has showed
up and showed him his Cal TECH cmr thirty twenty
two magt collapsing.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Buck, yeah a Little. Kirby.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah so he goes and buys one and he calls me,
up AND i took the wife to the gun store
and we there was one in the gun, case and
she looked at and she, GOES i want. One so
we bought it and brought her. HOME i put a
four Part leopold on, it And charlotte thirty, yards, no
fifty five, yards excuse? Me, okay and you cover three
(40:02):
shots with a. Dime and it's just it's just an excellent.
GUN i, mean.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Is this thing as much fun as it looks like
it would?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Be oh, YEAH.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
I got it mainly just to hunt jack rabbits on the.
Ranch and it's just a fantastic.
Speaker 12 (40:24):
GUN i have no.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
COMPLAINTS i mean it's got a collapsible. Stock uh thirty
round magazine or twenty two magdum and has two magazines, right, correct.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
It's ready for a. Suppressor you got the it's a barrel.
Threaded now when it.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Says too let me ask. You when it says there's two?
Magazines are both magazines in the pistol?
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Grip, no it was just one at a, Time but,
okay comes to, magazine it.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Just comes to too, Many. OKAY i was trying to
figure that out on the. Website this, thing this looks
like it would be so useful, man AND i bet
it's lightweight and. Heady, yeah three point eight, pounds it.
Says i'm looking at the website if anybody wants to
look along there Cel Tech WEAPONS K E L T E,
c Cal Tech weapons dot com and what running about
(41:16):
six hundred bucks.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
BALLPARK i don't remember now exactly what it.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Was, YEAH i think it's something like. That you. Know
it's just not bad at, all in tons of fun
and very useful and, frankly would be a pretty decent
self defense gun for a lot of. Folk people say
twenty two, Magnum, yes twenty two maximum thirty rounds of fast,
fire twenty two magnum, absolutely why?
Speaker 14 (41:36):
Not?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
RIGHT i?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
SHOT i took a canvel soup can and ate the,
soup of, course AND i filled it up with water
and set it up at fifty five, yards shot it
with a hollow, point and it absolutely destroyed that. Can,
yes with no pressure from the, inside you, know the
lid was, off had, water and it just shredded a.
Speaker 12 (41:59):
Can that's ALL i can.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Say it's called THE cmr. Thirty it's a little carbing
or carbine whichever one you, prefer From, celtech great range
at Poor, jim thank, you, SIR i appreciate THAT i
had seen. IT i mean seeing the pictures of. IT
i haven't shot, one haven't seen, one and Now i'm
looking at it and, going, huh that looks like. Fun
(42:22):
it's got flip up magpull. Sites you could use iron.
Sights you could drop a red dot on, it could
put a scope on, it Like jim, did a lot
of different ways to go nice and. Comeback when you
collapse that, stock it just kind of folds. Up it slides,
in doesn't fold. Over it just slides, in pops back,
out lightweight and Tweetoo magnum twe. Do magnum is actually
(42:42):
a really good. Cartridge OH msrp is six forty. FIVE
i see it on the website now six hundred and
forty five. Bucks probably get it for one hundred bucks
less than that if you poke around look for. It
so there you. Go, hey if you want to join
us for the after, show if you got something you
want to, contribute or you just want to complain about,
stuff why not give you a call eight six six talk.
Gun in the, meantime go, ahead do some shooting this.
(43:03):
Week take some people with, you invite them to go
to the. Range and introduce people to this great lifetime
sport of. Shooting and if you have a gun for self,
defense if you plan to protect your life and the
life of other, people please, please please make a commitment
to get good at, it be competent at, it because
you're Probably, honestly if you don't go to real training,
classes you're probably not and you're not nearly as good
(43:26):
as you think you are because there are areas that
you just don't even know. About so make that. Commitment
protect yourself and your. Family you owe it to. Them
be careful out, there watch those lawciness
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