April 13, 2025 • 43 mins
In This Hour:
-- Cam Edwards, editor of Bearing Arms, talks about the shakeup at the ATF this week and examines what's going on at the White House.
-- The Donald Trump administration dumps an ATF official who attacked legal gun owners and gun makers, replaced Kash Patel as interim director, and guts the gun control arm of the Centers For Disease Control.
-- Sometimes you just get lucky, and you have to celebrate. Tom takes his new-to-him rifle to the range and gets a surprising first hit.
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-- Cam Edwards, editor of Bearing Arms, talks about the shakeup at the ATF this week and examines what's going on at the White House.
-- The Donald Trump administration dumps an ATF official who attacked legal gun owners and gun makers, replaced Kash Patel as interim director, and guts the gun control arm of the Centers For Disease Control.
-- Sometimes you just get lucky, and you have to celebrate. Tom takes his new-to-him rifle to the range and gets a surprising first hit.
Gun Talk 04.13.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
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part of it, Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here's Tom oh welcome again to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham,
your host because no one else would do this because
they had more sense than I do.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Glad you could be here. A lot of things going
on we're gonna be talking about today.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We've got new guns to talk about old guns because
we like old guns, and I like weird calibers, and
we'll talk about that as well. But honestly, things have
been breaking, and I know the people have been a
little bit frustrated, thinking, well, what's Trump doing for us?
What's Trump doing for us? And I kept thinking, just
come on, man, we're barely two months into this thing.
Just patience or something just happened this week that we
(01:05):
need to talk about. And who better to talk about
that than our friend Cam Edwards. Is the editor at
Bearing Arms and also the host of Cam and Company. Well,
we just had this story just broke, and you and
I are talking in the middle of the week right now.
Pamp Bondi announces a task force for the Second Amendment,
and that actually comes on the heels of another big
story of her SICKI her Civil Rights Division on the
(01:28):
LA Sheriff's Department out the way they've been dragging their
feet on constill carry.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
That's right, yeah, and that was a big deal.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
You know, this is the first time, to my knowledge, Tom,
that we have actually seen the Civil Rights Division used
to investigate a.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Violation of our secondment rights. So that in itself, I
think is historic.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
And you know, unlike some of what we've seen from
the administration, this isn't a promise to come. This is
an action that is underway, right, that has been taken,
and so I think, you know, you combine that with
again what you talk about, this memo that we've seen
from the Attorney General setting up a second of the
task force.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
These are all very very positive developments.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
They are, and I know people and in you here
people are saying, well, what has she done?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
What has she done? We haven't seen anything. The thirty
days is expired.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
On the you know, the executive order, YadA, Yada'm thinking, man,
you know we have been I mean you and I
haven't watching this for decades, and to see this happening,
it's like, Wow, here's the thought for you.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Let me throw this out.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I grew up in the South in the US, and
I am familiar with what happens when the DJ since
then its Civil Rights Division, and they end up doing
consent decrees with the Education Department basically take over how
it's run. And I'm looking at this and thinking, you know,
that would be a perfect mechanism for them to come
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in and say, Okay, we're going to basically start running
these conceal carry that you have not only in LA
but maybe in California. We're going to put you under
a consent decree and that will go on until we
decide that you're able to do it on your own
and not be discriminatory.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
And that would be a huge step, all right, because
this is one of the things that we're hearing from
the Sharaff's department is that well, you know, we'd love
to do this, would love to be a faster, but
we just don't have the funding.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
So if the DJ is able to come up with
a consent degree.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
And again we don't know that that's going to happen,
but if that's where this is leading, right, then you know,
presumably the La County Board of Supervisors would be mandated
to appropriate enough funds that.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
They can comply with California law.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Right, California law says you're supposed to have this done,
and I think it's one hundred and twenty days. I
think that's the the utmost that a sharfes' department is
supposed to take the mass processing carry permits. Right, we're
hearing again, delays of over a year in some cases.
I mean, that's that's just entirely inappropriate and being able
to you know, the shriff shouldn't be able say well,
we just don't have the money, we don't know the
(04:02):
staff to do this. Okay, if that's the problem, then
hire more staff, right, that's the obvious solution so that
you can comply with your duties. And if it takes
a degree from the DJ to make that happen, great.
The bottom line is people's rights are being denied to
them right now, and we're not just talking about you know,
two or three folks, we're talking about thousands of individuals
(04:25):
and how many how many people tom are not even
applying for their permits because they know that the year.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Ye good point, Yeah, because there probably are a lot
of people who are dissuaded from applying, which, oh gee,
if I were cynical, I would think that might be
part of the plan here altogether.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Absolutely, and I think that actually is part of the plan.
And it's not only these delays, but it's the high
costs that some places are imposed. In La County is
actually not the worst defender in California. There are cities
like Laverne, which is an independent city located in Los
Angeles County. Santa Clara count is another where it's going
to cost you more than one thousand dollars to get
(05:04):
a concealed carry permit that's good for two years, and
then when it comes time to renew that permit, you're
going to be paying anywhere from six hundred and fifty
to seven hundred eight hundred dollars for a renewal the
last two years. You know, that prices people out of
their fundamental civil right to keep in bare arms.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Imagine I mean, and the thing is for you and
for me, we look at this and say, you know,
the Second Amendment is the same as the First Amendment,
and this right is the same as being able to vote.
Imagine charging one thousand dollars to have a two year
permit to be able to vote. That's what we're talking
about here.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about here. And the
problem is that, you know, until now, we have not
seen really any administration that has viewed the Second Amendment
as just as fundamentally important as the First Amendment or
the Fourth Amendent or the FISTH Amendment.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
When it comes to federal enforcement and federal protections.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Right.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
And that's why again, I think this is such a
significant step to see the Civil Rights Division takes the
lead here, and I'm really curious to see the details
of what.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
The Segment Task Force is going to look like. Is
it going to be run out of the Office of
the Civil Rights Division? You know what?
Speaker 6 (06:14):
What what are their mandates, What are they going to
be investigating, what are they going to be looking at?
Are they going to supply amicus briefs to groups like
the Second Woment Foundation and in current litigation and who's
taking on these investigations themselves.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Who is going to run it? That's going to be.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Critical, absolutely, And is it going to be somebody who's
already in house?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Are they going to bring in outside council?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
You know, I means you all note Tom, there are
plenty of attorneys out there with decades of experience in
secondment of litigation.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
So are they going to bring one of those folks in?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
You know?
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Somebody who I can think, I like, right off the
top of my head, would be somebody like Paul Kleman,
former solicteners General.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Oh god, can you imagine Bulldoz.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Right, you imagine him being the bulldog at DJ going
after these secondment abuses.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I mean, fantastic, But it was thin. There's no shortage
of people who could do that job, and do that
job well.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
People need to understand the awesome power of the Department
of Justice if they decide, Okay, this is a priority
and we're going to go after all of these cities, states, counties,
whomever it is who have been infringing, not just infringing,
actually crushing Second Amendment rights, constitutional rights of people.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
This this is huge, So.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Question for you A lot of people in the Second
Amendment world. We're very upset when Pam Bondy got selected
as the Attorney general.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know, she had the record of the red.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Flag laws in Florida and this is gonna be terrible
and she's not gonna protect Second Amendment rights. And the
same people who said, well, Donald Trump is not really
a Second amendmic guy and all. And look, I get it,
guns may not be. He is number one priority, But
can we can we at this point start saying, hey,
this is looking pretty good right now.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
I mean, I think you can't listen.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know, Trump did say that these Biden era regulations
were going to be undone, if not the first day,
the first.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Week in office. That didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
We can acknowledge that, we can acknowledge Bambondi's past, but
you know, you also have to recognize what's happening right now.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Are are things happening as quickly as we would like?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
But are things moving in the right direction? Yes? And
I think that it's important to note that.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
You know, when you've got somebody like Robert Leier as
a general counsel of the ATF again, one of those
segonment scholars that we've talked about. You've got a Second
Amendment supporter in cash Betel, who is you know right
now running the ATF.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
We'll see what the future holds for that position. But
they are making the right moves.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
I think the biggest complaint right now is like, well,
they're not moving quickly enough. That may be true. But
at the same time, you know, Donald Trump, I think
you're right. I don't think this is his top priority,
right Trade seems to be his top priority. In forced
immigration seems to be a top priority. But it's not
like they're putting this on the back burner for years.
Right as you say, it's been a couple of months
before we're starting to see some move.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Which is lightning fast in government terms.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
It really is, it really is, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I will say that, like the one hesitation that I
have right now is we saw the ATF come out
and say we are reviewing the Engage in the Business rule,
We're reviewing the pistol brace rule. I want to know
what they're going to do with the framemand Receiver rule
of the Supreme Court upheld in Vanderstock.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Right, are they going to formally repeal that rule too?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Or are they going to say, well, since Supreme Court
said it's okay, we'll go ahead and keep that in place.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Right, I want to see every one of those Biden
arrow rules undone.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well exactly, and the thing is reviewing them.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's like you're thinking, okay, it should take about thirty
minutes to review these. Okay, this is done, this was stupid,
this was an overreach. And oh yeah, by the way,
here's the whole list of ATF rules that we are
going to get rid of by lunchtime today.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's what I would like to see.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Absolutely, And again it goes back to that timing, right,
so it's not moving as fast as we would like.
But I think the good news is, you know, based
on what we're hearing from Bondy and from Patel and others,
secmentary groups are going to have a seat to the table.
Right during the Biden era, it was the gun control
groups that we're officing literally officing in the White House.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Good point.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
And this time around, you know, we are going to
have advocates who are working with these agencies and hopefully
pointing them in the right direction, hopefully prodding them, if
need be, to get moving on these things. To publish
notice of repeal in the federal register and get the
ball moving. I think it is coming. But again, you know,
it's as you say, it's pretty fast for government work.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
But you know, we're just hopping out the bit to
see this stuff happen even faster.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I understand, if you're new to this, you want everything
right now. Don't think that the rest of us don't
want everything right now. Also, it's just that we've been
around so long we understand a little bit more about
the process. And what we're watching right now is an
amazing thing. Not going to MIENDMIC task Force, they've eliminated,
(11:03):
They've basically kicked out all the gun control groups. Then
we're housed in the White House. They've told them to
go away. And you know how cam we know how
we know it's really really good for us. Is the
screaming that's coming from all the gun control groups.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
That's right, and you know, and some of that you
might expect just from a fundraising perspective, especially with groups
like March for Our Lives laying off most of their staff,
but they really are watching their progress being undone. They're
watching that whole of government attack on gun owners in
the farms industry come to a screeching halt, and now
we're starting to roll back some of those provisions.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
You know, I will say I was a little concerned,
let's say, even as recently as a few weeks ago,
that the Trump administration is basically going to adopt a
policy of benign neglect when it comes to segment issues, like,
we're not going to hurt you, but you know what,
we'll get around to helping you when we get.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Around to it.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I think it's actually more active than that. I'm not
as good about that. I think that we are going
to see a very positive approach to protecting and strengthening
our secondment rights into this administration. And again, I think
the real issue is there's just so much work to
be done. Where do they begin and how broad are
these efforts going to be?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, having been at this for a long, long, long
time now, I can tell you that, you know, getting
half of what you want is an amazing thing. And
then my attitude is, let's get half of what we're
looking for, and then we'll come back and get the
other half as quickly as we can. Frankly, if Trump
hadn't won this election, we would be losing at a
(12:39):
rate that we can't even imagine.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Well, yeah, that's the other thing, right, I mean, yeah,
just imagine where we would be if it was Kamala
Harrison the White House right now, and you still have
the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention, you still
have Steve Dtel back at the ATF right, you still
let the weekly calls for banning the so called the
sole weapons.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Hey, Cam, I'm out of time here of course, as all,
we never have enough time for this. Bearing arms dot
Com uh the best place to find out, I mean,
great news every day. You've got all sorts of news.
It's one of my go to places for information and
also tell them how to hear what you're doing on
your podcast.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Absolutely, you can actually find the Bearing Arms Camping Company
podcast right there on the homepage at Bearing Arms.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But we do it every Monday through Thursday.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Generally it's supposed to early afternoon, but sometimes we have
like a West Coast.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Guest, so we gond post a little later in the day.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
But just like you, Tom, you know, I love talking
to folks within the second memic community. It's not just me,
you know, yammering for a half hour by myself, so
I would encourage folks to check it out. You know,
we don't do it as long as gun Talk does.
We have them been around as long as gun talk.
You are one of my inspirations. But but we do
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what we can to bring folks later this second week.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You do it an amazing job. You are a total professional.
I mean you were doing radio long before you started
doing this stuff, and I always looked to you as
an example of how to do it right.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I really appreciate that, Tom, and I feel the very
same way about you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You take care of my friend. This is always good.
This is a good time for us.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
It is, it is and hopefully only getting better from here.
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Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Tom Gresham here if
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Speaker 5 (16:48):
Just now?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Tom Talk Gun Because I'm Tom. I had a great
week when I did a little Shootdn't got to tell
you about my lottery ticket first shot. I'll fill you
in on that just a little bit. That last interview
we did with Cam Edwards, good interview. Cam really knows
his stuff. But I recorded that in the middle of
(17:12):
the week and it did not age well as they
like to say, because he talked about and we were
talking about Cash Battel being the director of ATF.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
What we didn't know was that when we were talking he.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Was not anymore the interim director of the ATF. He's
still FBI director, but at some point we don't know when.
It's a weird story. Right now, the White House won't
even say the cash Battel was removed or is no
longer the head of the ATF, and the White House
(17:47):
won't say when that happened. Wonderful said it may have
happened like a day or two after he got named.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
He was like in for a day or two.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And then he was replaced by Daniel Driscoll, who is
the current Secretary of the Army. We don't really know
what's going on right now, and it may very well
be because I always thought, how can you be the
director of the ATF and the director of the FBI.
(18:16):
Those are two really demanding positions. I don't know how
you could do both of them. There are actually reports
that cash Betel was never at the ATF physically at
the ATF, that he was never in charge of anything.
He never did anything at ATF.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
At some point, I'm sure we will find out what
was going on. But at this point, oh and by
the way, this Daniel Driscoll, Secretary of the Army, he
has been met with really good reviews and a big
out of boy. The NSSF National Student Sports Foundation is
very happy about this. A little bit of background, I
(18:56):
guess the new head of ATF was in the army
as as a combat veteran, went to Yale Law School
and while he was there he became friends with current
Vice president JD.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Vance. Okay, so we've got that going for us, all right.
Let me switch.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Did you see the picture everybody's comicing fun of it
online and properly so.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Picture of Secretary of Homeland Security Christyom in Arizona posing
with some of these door kicker people they'd just done
some raids, and she's holding but probably we can't tell.
It's probably a full automatic short bare rifle all equipped.
(19:46):
She's decked out, she's got her gear on, she's got
her bulletproof vest on, and she's holding this rifle. And
people have made a lot of fun of this and
made a lot of comments about her doing this.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I have thoughts.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Let me address one thing that's being said, because I
think it's wrong. People are saying, oh, well, yo, you
can see that she's pointing the gun at the head
of the agent next to her.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That's the case, and I say that because I have
been the recipient of the same kind of comments for many,
many years of people who are taking pictures of us
holding guns or doing things with guns, or videos and
TV shows. And I mean I have been in front
of a camera with guns for sixty years now. My
(20:37):
dad was taking pictures of me for his magazine articles,
probably starting when I was like ten years old. So
I'm real familiar with how that works. And I'm really
familiar with how it can look in a photograph as
though you're pointing a gun at somebody when you are not.
And maybe it wasn't even close, but it looks like
in a photograph. And I guess I would encourage you
(21:01):
to maybe try it yourself, or you can just take
my word for it. I think probably she was not
pointing this gun to anybody.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Having said that, let's put that aside. I don't think
it was dangerous. I do, however, think it was really dumb.
And I think maybe this comes from everybody wanted to
take pictures and getting them on social media. You know,
I'm going to pose with this, And I don't know
if her communications person said, here, you get in the
middle of these people and hold this gun and do
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this thing. It just looks dumb. Christine Owen is an administrator.
She's not a door kicker, she's not an agent. She's
not a shooter. I mean a shooter as a somebody
that goes in and arrest people kind of thing. For
her to pose with this gun just looks dumb and
phony and costplay ish. And somebody needs to talk to
(21:53):
her about that, just or she needs to say to
whoever her handles are, No, I'm not doing that. That's stupid.
You know. I'm not the one to your raids. I'm
the administrator. I run the department. You know I'm not
going to do this. But here's where we are with
the Instagram directed and driven world we are in these days.
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Speaker 4 (22:22):
All right, some ugbies going on out in Colorado. Let's
tell you on that just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They have passed a quasi ban on semi automatic guns.
But it's actually uglier than that. I'll fill you in
just a few minutes here. First, let's go to the phones.
Jeff's called it out of Grant, Oregon. Hey Jeff, you
made it on the Gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well? Thank you? The last weekend, I had a gun show,
so I can't listen to gun Talk when I'm at
a gun show. I wish I could, but that's the
only time I missed your show. I've been listening for
eight or nine years since our local radio station started
carrying your program, except sometimes they pre empty for the
(23:06):
Seattle Seahawks, and I don't know why.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
But.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Yeah. Recently, I purchased an estate sale that had thirty
firearms and all of them were very interesting, have great stories.
It took me several months to do all the research
on each individual firearm, and I've been selling them right along.
And I was listening to part of your interview with
(23:35):
the gunbroker representative, and I've sold several on gunbrokers so
far and it's been really good. I liked their program.
It's efficient, you get nationwide exposure with one flaw. I've
sold several, like I said, but the final transaction that
(23:56):
we've had so far was to buyer in tech Is
my local FFL shipped to the FFL in Texas and
completed the transaction, and several days later gun broker took
sales tax out of his account. The sales tax should
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be on the receiving end where they know their tax
situation in each jurisdiction, rather than coming back here where
we don't even have sales tax.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Did you contact my contact gun broker to ask about
it to see they can get that corrected.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I've been trying, but I couldn't find a phone number,
and yeah, I don't know the.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I don't know the ins and outs on that one.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Yeah, I've got five or six other rifles I'm going
to put on in the next week or two, and
that they've done really well. And I've gotten calls from Wisconsin,
West Virginia, Texas, Louisiana with questions about the various firearms
we've had on there. Everybody's been very polite and interested
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in the individual firearms, and well, you know that's.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Our community, isn't it. It's just a nice, polite community
for the most part. Now, I will say that you
know you're willing to do this, and a lot of
people are to sell them individually and go through the process.
Some people say I got a lot of guns, or
may I got one or two guns. They don't want
to do this, so that's why they go to Johnny
Dury down to Durry's Guns and says, look, Johnny would
just buy them all out right, don't have to fool
with it. He'll send you a box and a labeling,
(25:39):
slap it there and you go just appear. There's a
lot of different ways to go. Clearly, you can sell
guns locally. You can sometimes you can sell them to
a local gun store. But for a lot of people
they say, you know, I just don't want to do that.
But at the same time, I mean, look, I'm as
we're doing the show right now, Jeff, I'm getting notifications
from gun broker on the ones I am watching right now.
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That gun you're watching is going to expire here, that
auction's going to end. You might want to get in
on that, and going, oh yeah, I know, I actually
watch a lot of them that I know. I'm not
going to buy him. I'm just curious to see what
those guns are going to sell for.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Does that make sense exactly?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I did the same, and I've found I really like
the one week auction rather than longer periods of time, right, I.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Agree, Yeah, And that's actually what Johnny does with his guns.
He puts them up for one week. In fact, all
of the Dury's guns on auction will be ending this afternoon,
this evening. So by this interest in those, I to
go take a look. Look, I got to keep running here, Jeff.
I appreciate the call. Congrats on making some good sales
there and having a good experience.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And yeah, give him a shout.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
See if you can figure out how to you know,
get that question answered over at gun Broker.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Let's do this. I do want to We're not going
to get buzzed in. Buzz.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Hold on, I was shortchanged if I brought you in
right now. We're going to take an early break. Come
back on the backside. We're going to talk to Buzz
out of Texas. Also, I want to tell you about
can you split a playing card or the bullet? Well,
a bunch of people just tried in our place down
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All right, let's grab buzz at a new bron Fulls Texas. Hey, buzz,
how you doing man?
Speaker 15 (30:26):
I'm good? Tom? How you doing well?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I am good?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
We got to get shoot together over at the range
Ready a few weeks ago.
Speaker 15 (30:33):
Yeah, that's what I called for. I want to just
I owe you a call talk give your range report
about the range Ready folks. I've been there four times
the last few times with same classes as you, with
the diagnostic pistol and the Jacob Gray experience, and I
just have all every time I go there. That's a
great place.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Why I know people ask you, why do you keep
going back? You've been to range Ready four times now
for these the classes and the events that are held there.
This last one, of course, we're shooting this double stack
high end three thousand dollars high end pistol, and at
the end of the class you ended up getting the pistol.
They're going they took them all back. They're going to
make some modifications to them and tweak them up a
(31:14):
little bit. Because I think we were the guinea pigs
buz on some of these guns.
Speaker 15 (31:19):
Yeah, I think we were. I'll tell you the reason
was funny. When we were in the class, people were
saying they went there for that take a great experience,
for that gun deal. I went there to learn how
to shoot twenty eleven. I've gone about one hundred yards
down the twenty eleven mile. I bought a twenty eleven
previously different brand. I couldn't get to running. I just
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couldn't run it very well. I could shoot a fine,
but I couldn't operate it very well as far as
mag changes malfunction drills to do it quickly. So I
always had problems with that, and I finally just had
a friend who bade me an offer. I couldn't refuse
an off the gun went. So when this and then
came up, I said, you know what, having gone to
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three classes and honestly what drive me was the level
of personal interaction from the trainers you get when you
go to a class at range ready. You know, it's
not like I've been to gunsight classes. I'm in other
classes and I've got a lot of those classes, but
not to the extent that I've gotten arranger ready with
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Christ and his crew, Because they teach you when you're
doing a drill. They're working with you at the level
you're at to bring you to a higher level. So
if you're sitting there and you're Joe middle of the
road and you're sitting next to some high speed operator
kind of guy, they teach you at your level, and
they teach him and his and that's what I like
the most about a dreading.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's interesting you say that, because I sometimes I would
sit back and watch these young instructors. He's got a
full team of them, and they would watch the shooters
and then they would just kind of slide in to
one person one one instructor going and say, you know,
why don't you try this? As you say, it may
be a simple thing. You know what, Let me back up.
(33:08):
It's always a simple thing, isn't it.
Speaker 15 (33:12):
It is. When I was I had bought a PA
three sixty five macerel and I was just not being
able to run it very well. And I'm kind of
a striker fire guy, but I was not having any
good luck. I took it to the I don't know
if you remember, we talked about it when I was
at the diagnostic pistol and two simple tips that they
observed from me and gave me on the line, and
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it just turned it around for me on that gun,
which is which is kind of the point. You know,
I've always we talked and we all talked about this.
You know, I got this thing. Fit is fine, but
proficiency is finals kind of take off that old white
earth thing. But you can. You know, everybody says you
need to go find a gun that fits your hand
for a new shooter or I'm a believer that you
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can learn any gun if somebody teaches you how to
run it. When we teach a kid out to drive
the right card, teaching might be on a Toyota Corolla,
but if all you gots in f three fifty, you
got to teach take you how to drive it. And
it's just a matter of instruction over fit.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Interesting proposition. I kind of see where you're going. I mean,
it's one thing you do want to have a gun
that fits you if you can, but it doesn't mean
you can't learn to run anything. And look, I got
kind of short, little stubby fingers, and that big double
stack nineteen eleven has a big grip, and I just
wasn't sure that was going to work for me. And
I was looking forward to the class. That's one of
the things I wanted to find out. And at first
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I thought, man, it's a big old fat grip, and
about I don't know, thirty minutes to an hour into
the class, I stopped thinking about it, and I never
thought about it again and I just ran the pistol
and it just wasn't an issue at all.
Speaker 15 (34:53):
That's right, and that's what that was my problem. I've got,
you know, not I got short, stubby fingers and at
twenty eleven, just a big, big grip for me.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
But it's guy.
Speaker 15 (35:03):
And like I said, I went to range Ready. It
wouldn't have mattered if it was a brand X, brand Y,
brand Zee or a Jacob Gray twenty eleven. I went
there for those guys to show me how to effectively
operate it, and I walked away knowing what to do.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, we had somebody else that you know. I went
there because I knew we were going to get this
really cool gun. But I came away understanding that the
value of the experience was the class and the instruction.
And I thought that's really interesting. But you know, you
don't know that until you go, do.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
You don't.
Speaker 15 (35:35):
And one thing, you know, it can be intimidating. First
time I went to my first big place I ever
went to was gun sight. You know, we were kind
of intimidated in my wife and I went to a
class a two fifty pistol. But you know, this is
a group of people the firearms industry just welcomes everybody,
and it doesn't matter if you're a brand new or
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you've been in there forever. Everybody can get along. And
Range Ready is just, you know, a prime example of that.
I mean, the facility is real nice. Everybody on staff
is excellent. Struggling you go to a class that's still
personal instruction, right, I.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Mean, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You could be a Navy seal or you could be
a first timer who brings a box in and say
I bought this gun that's still in the box, and
they will be able to help each of you at
whatever level you are and add some things to it.
It's a great experience. Look, I appreciate it's a great
range report, and yeah, I believe in what they're doing
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down there.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
They're doing some wonderful things.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
In fact, I've got to report on the thing they
just did this past week is great.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Bus.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Look, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate
the range report and really enjoyed getting to meet you.
And now we've shot together in two of these classes.
I do and thank you, sir. I do try to
get down there whenever possible. I don't get to all
the classes, but they do have some that are particularly
really good. I would just say, take a look at
the range ready studios dot com website. See when they're
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having classes. Sign up for the email list, because the
really good class these are small classes. These are really
small classes. The really good ones sell out sometimes before
they can even get them posted to the website because
the people on the mail list, they'll get the early notification.
And some of these are not exactly what you call classes.
(37:25):
We call them experiences. They're made to mirror what the
media gets, what gun writers get when they're invited to
a media event.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Along those lines.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
They just had an event and when we talked about
that in a little bit here a little bit more,
just had an event for the last few days that
arrange Ready called lever Fest. Last year Ryan put to
one it was called five seven Fest. It was everything
about the five seven cartridge and the guns made and
accessories and all that. This year it was lever action guns.
I mean had Smith and Wesson and you know, well
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basically pretty much everybody's making lever guns were there, and
people who make ammunition, and they tried different kinds of ammunition.
They were shooting into ballistic gel they're trying different.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Things, and they did recreate.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Some of the old cowboy stuff of trying to shoot
a playing card in half with a bullet and trying
to shoot you know, from like the old Western. So
somebody's getting hung by the neck and the hero shoots
the rope and breaks it, you know, and the person
who's getting hung falls. So they had a hangman's noose event.
(38:34):
You had to shoot through that. It was a hoot
and a half. Everybody had a great time and to
my knowledge, no one had ever done anything.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Like that before.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
It's not a creative stuff they're doing down there.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
It's quite amazing. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
The website is range ready Studios dot com if you
want to take a look at it, and maybe you
can sign up sometime either now or in the fall.
They try not to do it in the summer because
that's too darn hot that he's in. So yeah, Donald
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Trump with the tariffs which are on and off and
on and off, it's spooked a lot of people, and
a lot of people are talking about what's it going
to do to people or companies in the firearms industry. Well,
it's going to do some things. There's no doubt about
it if we do, in fact end up with tariffs
on some countries.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Well, think about this.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
We got some ammal companies that make a lot of
AMMO outside the country. PMC is made in Korea. I
think mag Tech is made in Brazil. If I remember right,
Aguila has made in Mexico, Amimal prices could go up,
and could go up significantly. I just well, right before
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the show, I mean literally, Jim said basically talk to
be Are you ready for the show? So just second,
I got to finish this order. I just ordered three
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Browneils dot com. Let's say March four Hour Lives is
a gun control group made up of young people, created
by who knows who, lots of money, millions and millions
of dollars there. David Hogg, the now I guess vice
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chair of the Democratic Party, was a big part of that.
They just announced they essentially had to let everybody go.
They I think eleven of their thirteen full time staff
they had to let go because they don't have any money.
G I wonder what happened. Well, then the news stories
are saying, well, you know, the Democratic the big donors
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to the Democrats have pulled back.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, maybe so. I mean, this was a.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
George Clooney Spielberg funded deal. But I think there's more
too than that. I think what really happened was that
all that money was going to USAID and then sent
to nngos non governmental organizations, And we have since learned
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a lot of that got funneled back to Democrat politicians
and their sons and daughters and wives and whatever, but
a lot of it actually got sent to gun control groups.
I would not be surprised if we if the Doge
people were to dig into it, we would find that
a lot of the money for the March for Our
(42:10):
Lives gun control group was taken out of your pocket
and out of my pocket in the form of taxes.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Hey, this money, or we will come and shoot you.
That's taxes.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
And then that money was taken and sent to USAID
and funneled, in other words, money laundering back to gun
control groups. I think it's probable that March for Our
Lives is having financial trouble because we have figured out
the scam. We've exposed the scam, and we have stopped
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the scam. And for those who are saying who voted
for this, I did, That's exactly what I voted for.
It's to stop the theft. It's not waste for aud abuse.
That's theft. That's what it is. And I'm delighted that
the gun control groups are hurting from money. And when
we come back, I'm going to tell you what else
the Trump administration has been doing.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Wiping out a lot.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Of the gun control efforts at ATF, but also wait
for this one, at their centers for disease control, Yes,
the CDC, which it turns out if you had asked me,
I could have told you because I've been doing this
show for thirty years and they have been doing gun
control efforts at the CDC for thirty years, and I've
been talking about it. That part has been wiped out
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here's Tom oh welcome again to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham,
your host because no one else would do this because
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
Glad you could be here. A lot of things going
on we're gonna be talking about today.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
We've got new guns to talk about old guns because
we like old guns, and I like weird calibers, and
we'll talk about that as well. But honestly, things have
been breaking, and I know the people have been a
little bit frustrated, thinking, well, what's Trump doing for us?
What's Trump doing for us? And I kept thinking, just
come on, man, we're barely two months into this thing.
Just patience or something just happened this week that we
(01:05):
need to talk about. And who better to talk about
that than our friend Cam Edwards. Is the editor at
Bearing Arms and also the host of Cam and Company. Well,
we just had this story just broke, and you and
I are talking in the middle of the week right now.
Pamp Bondi announces a task force for the Second Amendment,
and that actually comes on the heels of another big
story of her SICKI her Civil Rights Division on the
(01:28):
LA Sheriff's Department out the way they've been dragging their
feet on constill carry.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
That's right, yeah, and that was a big deal.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
You know, this is the first time, to my knowledge, Tom,
that we have actually seen the Civil Rights Division used
to investigate a.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Violation of our secondment rights. So that in itself, I
think is historic.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
And you know, unlike some of what we've seen from
the administration, this isn't a promise to come. This is
an action that is underway, right, that has been taken,
and so I think, you know, you combine that with
again what you talk about, this memo that we've seen
from the Attorney General setting up a second of the
task force.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
These are all very very positive developments.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
They are, and I know people and in you here
people are saying, well, what has she done?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
What has she done? We haven't seen anything. The thirty
days is expired.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
On the you know, the executive order, YadA, Yada'm thinking, man,
you know we have been I mean you and I
haven't watching this for decades, and to see this happening,
it's like, Wow, here's the thought for you.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Let me throw this out.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I grew up in the South in the US, and
I am familiar with what happens when the DJ since
then its Civil Rights Division, and they end up doing
consent decrees with the Education Department basically take over how
it's run. And I'm looking at this and thinking, you know,
that would be a perfect mechanism for them to come
(02:54):
in and say, Okay, we're going to basically start running
these conceal carry that you have not only in LA
but maybe in California. We're going to put you under
a consent decree and that will go on until we
decide that you're able to do it on your own
and not be discriminatory.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
And that would be a huge step, all right, because
this is one of the things that we're hearing from
the Sharaff's department is that well, you know, we'd love
to do this, would love to be a faster, but
we just don't have the funding.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
So if the DJ is able to come up with
a consent degree.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
And again we don't know that that's going to happen,
but if that's where this is leading, right, then you know,
presumably the La County Board of Supervisors would be mandated
to appropriate enough funds that.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
They can comply with California law.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Right, California law says you're supposed to have this done,
and I think it's one hundred and twenty days. I
think that's the the utmost that a sharfes' department is
supposed to take the mass processing carry permits. Right, we're
hearing again, delays of over a year in some cases.
I mean, that's that's just entirely inappropriate and being able
to you know, the shriff shouldn't be able say well,
we just don't have the money, we don't know the
(04:02):
staff to do this. Okay, if that's the problem, then
hire more staff, right, that's the obvious solution so that
you can comply with your duties. And if it takes
a degree from the DJ to make that happen, great.
The bottom line is people's rights are being denied to
them right now, and we're not just talking about you know,
two or three folks, we're talking about thousands of individuals
(04:25):
and how many how many people tom are not even
applying for their permits because they know that the year.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Ye good point, Yeah, because there probably are a lot
of people who are dissuaded from applying, which, oh gee,
if I were cynical, I would think that might be
part of the plan here altogether.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Absolutely, and I think that actually is part of the plan.
And it's not only these delays, but it's the high
costs that some places are imposed. In La County is
actually not the worst defender in California. There are cities
like Laverne, which is an independent city located in Los
Angeles County. Santa Clara count is another where it's going
to cost you more than one thousand dollars to get
(05:04):
a concealed carry permit that's good for two years, and
then when it comes time to renew that permit, you're
going to be paying anywhere from six hundred and fifty
to seven hundred eight hundred dollars for a renewal the
last two years. You know, that prices people out of
their fundamental civil right to keep in bare arms.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Imagine I mean, and the thing is for you and
for me, we look at this and say, you know,
the Second Amendment is the same as the First Amendment,
and this right is the same as being able to vote.
Imagine charging one thousand dollars to have a two year
permit to be able to vote. That's what we're talking
about here.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about here. And the
problem is that, you know, until now, we have not
seen really any administration that has viewed the Second Amendment
as just as fundamentally important as the First Amendment or
the Fourth Amendent or the FISTH Amendment.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
When it comes to federal enforcement and federal protections.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Right.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
And that's why again, I think this is such a
significant step to see the Civil Rights Division takes the
lead here, and I'm really curious to see the details
of what.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
The Segment Task Force is going to look like. Is
it going to be run out of the Office of
the Civil Rights Division? You know what?
Speaker 6 (06:14):
What what are their mandates, What are they going to
be investigating, what are they going to be looking at?
Are they going to supply amicus briefs to groups like
the Second Woment Foundation and in current litigation and who's
taking on these investigations themselves.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Who is going to run it? That's going to be.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Critical, absolutely, And is it going to be somebody who's
already in house?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Are they going to bring in outside council?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
You know, I means you all note Tom, there are
plenty of attorneys out there with decades of experience in
secondment of litigation.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
So are they going to bring one of those folks in?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
You know?
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Somebody who I can think, I like, right off the
top of my head, would be somebody like Paul Kleman,
former solicteners General.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Oh god, can you imagine Bulldoz.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Right, you imagine him being the bulldog at DJ going
after these secondment abuses.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I mean, fantastic, But it was thin. There's no shortage
of people who could do that job, and do that
job well.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
People need to understand the awesome power of the Department
of Justice if they decide, Okay, this is a priority
and we're going to go after all of these cities, states, counties,
whomever it is who have been infringing, not just infringing,
actually crushing Second Amendment rights, constitutional rights of people.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
This this is huge, So.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Question for you A lot of people in the Second
Amendment world. We're very upset when Pam Bondy got selected
as the Attorney general.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
You know, she had the record of the red.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Flag laws in Florida and this is gonna be terrible
and she's not gonna protect Second Amendment rights. And the
same people who said, well, Donald Trump is not really
a Second amendmic guy and all. And look, I get it,
guns may not be. He is number one priority, But
can we can we at this point start saying, hey,
this is looking pretty good right now.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
I mean, I think you can't listen.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know, Trump did say that these Biden era regulations
were going to be undone, if not the first day,
the first.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Week in office. That didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
We can acknowledge that, we can acknowledge Bambondi's past, but
you know, you also have to recognize what's happening right now.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Are are things happening as quickly as we would like?
Speaker 7 (08:18):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
But are things moving in the right direction? Yes? And
I think that it's important to note that.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
You know, when you've got somebody like Robert Leier as
a general counsel of the ATF again, one of those
segonment scholars that we've talked about. You've got a Second
Amendment supporter in cash Betel, who is you know right
now running the ATF.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
We'll see what the future holds for that position. But
they are making the right moves.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
I think the biggest complaint right now is like, well,
they're not moving quickly enough. That may be true. But
at the same time, you know, Donald Trump, I think
you're right. I don't think this is his top priority,
right Trade seems to be his top priority. In forced
immigration seems to be a top priority. But it's not
like they're putting this on the back burner for years.
Right as you say, it's been a couple of months
before we're starting to see some move.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Which is lightning fast in government terms.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
It really is, it really is, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I will say that, like the one hesitation that I
have right now is we saw the ATF come out
and say we are reviewing the Engage in the Business rule,
We're reviewing the pistol brace rule. I want to know
what they're going to do with the framemand Receiver rule
of the Supreme Court upheld in Vanderstock.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Right, are they going to formally repeal that rule too?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Or are they going to say, well, since Supreme Court
said it's okay, we'll go ahead and keep that in place.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Right, I want to see every one of those Biden
arrow rules undone.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well exactly, and the thing is reviewing them.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It's like you're thinking, okay, it should take about thirty
minutes to review these. Okay, this is done, this was stupid,
this was an overreach. And oh yeah, by the way,
here's the whole list of ATF rules that we are
going to get rid of by lunchtime today.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's what I would like to see.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Absolutely, And again it goes back to that timing, right,
so it's not moving as fast as we would like.
But I think the good news is, you know, based
on what we're hearing from Bondy and from Patel and others,
secmentary groups are going to have a seat to the table.
Right during the Biden era, it was the gun control
groups that we're officing literally officing in the White House.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Good point.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
And this time around, you know, we are going to
have advocates who are working with these agencies and hopefully
pointing them in the right direction, hopefully prodding them, if
need be, to get moving on these things. To publish
notice of repeal in the federal register and get the
ball moving. I think it is coming. But again, you know,
it's as you say, it's pretty fast for government work.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
But you know, we're just hopping out the bit to
see this stuff happen even faster.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I understand, if you're new to this, you want everything
right now. Don't think that the rest of us don't
want everything right now. Also, it's just that we've been
around so long we understand a little bit more about
the process. And what we're watching right now is an
amazing thing. Not going to MIENDMIC task Force, they've eliminated,
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They've basically kicked out all the gun control groups. Then
we're housed in the White House. They've told them to
go away. And you know how cam we know how
we know it's really really good for us. Is the
screaming that's coming from all the gun control groups.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
That's right, and you know, and some of that you
might expect just from a fundraising perspective, especially with groups
like March for Our Lives laying off most of their staff,
but they really are watching their progress being undone. They're
watching that whole of government attack on gun owners in
the farms industry come to a screeching halt, and now
we're starting to roll back some of those provisions.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
You know, I will say I was a little concerned,
let's say, even as recently as a few weeks ago,
that the Trump administration is basically going to adopt a
policy of benign neglect when it comes to segment issues, like,
we're not going to hurt you, but you know what,
we'll get around to helping you when we get.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Around to it.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I think it's actually more active than that. I'm not
as good about that. I think that we are going
to see a very positive approach to protecting and strengthening
our secondment rights into this administration. And again, I think
the real issue is there's just so much work to
be done. Where do they begin and how broad are
these efforts going to be?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, having been at this for a long, long, long
time now, I can tell you that, you know, getting
half of what you want is an amazing thing. And
then my attitude is, let's get half of what we're
looking for, and then we'll come back and get the
other half as quickly as we can. Frankly, if Trump
hadn't won this election, we would be losing at a
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rate that we can't even imagine.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Well, yeah, that's the other thing, right, I mean, yeah,
just imagine where we would be if it was Kamala
Harrison the White House right now, and you still have
the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention, you still
have Steve Dtel back at the ATF right, you still
let the weekly calls for banning the so called the
sole weapons.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Hey, Cam, I'm out of time here of course, as all,
we never have enough time for this. Bearing arms dot
Com uh the best place to find out, I mean,
great news every day. You've got all sorts of news.
It's one of my go to places for information and
also tell them how to hear what you're doing on
your podcast.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Absolutely, you can actually find the Bearing Arms Camping Company
podcast right there on the homepage at Bearing Arms.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But we do it every Monday through Thursday.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Generally it's supposed to early afternoon, but sometimes we have
like a West Coast.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Guest, so we gond post a little later in the day.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
But just like you, Tom, you know, I love talking
to folks within the second memic community. It's not just me,
you know, yammering for a half hour by myself, so
I would encourage folks to check it out. You know,
we don't do it as long as gun Talk does.
We have them been around as long as gun talk.
You are one of my inspirations. But but we do
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what we can to bring folks later this second week.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You do it an amazing job. You are a total professional.
I mean you were doing radio long before you started
doing this stuff, and I always looked to you as
an example of how to do it right.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I really appreciate that, Tom, and I feel the very
same way about you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You take care of my friend. This is always good.
This is a good time for us.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
It is, it is and hopefully only getting better from here.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
There. You go, all right, don't go far. Gun Talk
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Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Tom Gresham here if
you want to join us, it's easy. Tom Talkgun is
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Speaker 8 (16:48):
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Speaker 5 (16:48):
Just now?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Tom Talk Gun Because I'm Tom. I had a great
week when I did a little Shootdn't got to tell
you about my lottery ticket first shot. I'll fill you
in on that just a little bit. That last interview
we did with Cam Edwards, good interview. Cam really knows
his stuff. But I recorded that in the middle of
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the week and it did not age well as they
like to say, because he talked about and we were
talking about Cash Battel being the director of ATF.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
What we didn't know was that when we were talking he.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Was not anymore the interim director of the ATF. He's
still FBI director, but at some point we don't know when.
It's a weird story. Right now, the White House won't
even say the cash Battel was removed or is no
longer the head of the ATF, and the White House
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won't say when that happened. Wonderful said it may have
happened like a day or two after he got named.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
He was like in for a day or two.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And then he was replaced by Daniel Driscoll, who is
the current Secretary of the Army. We don't really know
what's going on right now, and it may very well
be because I always thought, how can you be the
director of the ATF and the director of the FBI.
(18:16):
Those are two really demanding positions. I don't know how
you could do both of them. There are actually reports
that cash Betel was never at the ATF physically at
the ATF, that he was never in charge of anything.
He never did anything at ATF.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
At some point, I'm sure we will find out what
was going on. But at this point, oh and by
the way, this Daniel Driscoll, Secretary of the Army, he
has been met with really good reviews and a big
out of boy. The NSSF National Student Sports Foundation is
very happy about this. A little bit of background, I
(18:56):
guess the new head of ATF was in the army
as as a combat veteran, went to Yale Law School
and while he was there he became friends with current
Vice president JD.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Vance. Okay, so we've got that going for us, all right.
Let me switch.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Did you see the picture everybody's comicing fun of it
online and properly so.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I think the.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Picture of Secretary of Homeland Security Christyom in Arizona posing
with some of these door kicker people they'd just done
some raids, and she's holding but probably we can't tell.
It's probably a full automatic short bare rifle all equipped.
(19:46):
She's decked out, she's got her gear on, she's got
her bulletproof vest on, and she's holding this rifle. And
people have made a lot of fun of this and
made a lot of comments about her doing this.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I have thoughts.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Let me address one thing that's being said, because I
think it's wrong. People are saying, oh, well, yo, you
can see that she's pointing the gun at the head
of the agent next to her.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
That's the case, and I say that because I have
been the recipient of the same kind of comments for many,
many years of people who are taking pictures of us
holding guns or doing things with guns, or videos and
TV shows. And I mean I have been in front
of a camera with guns for sixty years now. My
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dad was taking pictures of me for his magazine articles,
probably starting when I was like ten years old. So
I'm real familiar with how that works. And I'm really
familiar with how it can look in a photograph as
though you're pointing a gun at somebody when you are not.
And maybe it wasn't even close, but it looks like
in a photograph. And I guess I would encourage you
(21:01):
to maybe try it yourself, or you can just take
my word for it. I think probably she was not
pointing this gun to anybody.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Having said that, let's put that aside. I don't think
it was dangerous. I do, however, think it was really dumb.
And I think maybe this comes from everybody wanted to
take pictures and getting them on social media. You know,
I'm going to pose with this, And I don't know
if her communications person said, here, you get in the
middle of these people and hold this gun and do
(21:29):
this thing. It just looks dumb. Christine Owen is an administrator.
She's not a door kicker, she's not an agent. She's
not a shooter. I mean a shooter as a somebody
that goes in and arrest people kind of thing. For
her to pose with this gun just looks dumb and
phony and costplay ish. And somebody needs to talk to
(21:53):
her about that, just or she needs to say to
whoever her handles are, No, I'm not doing that. That's stupid.
You know. I'm not the one to your raids. I'm
the administrator. I run the department. You know I'm not
going to do this. But here's where we are with
the Instagram directed and driven world we are in these days.
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Speaker 4 (22:22):
All right, some ugbies going on out in Colorado. Let's
tell you on that just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They have passed a quasi ban on semi automatic guns.
But it's actually uglier than that. I'll fill you in
just a few minutes here. First, let's go to the phones.
Jeff's called it out of Grant, Oregon. Hey Jeff, you
made it on the Gun Talk. What's on your mind?
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well? Thank you? The last weekend, I had a gun show,
so I can't listen to gun Talk when I'm at
a gun show. I wish I could, but that's the
only time I missed your show. I've been listening for
eight or nine years since our local radio station started
carrying your program, except sometimes they pre empty for the
(23:06):
Seattle Seahawks, and I don't know why.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
But.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Yeah. Recently, I purchased an estate sale that had thirty
firearms and all of them were very interesting, have great stories.
It took me several months to do all the research
on each individual firearm, and I've been selling them right along.
And I was listening to part of your interview with
(23:35):
the gunbroker representative, and I've sold several on gunbrokers so
far and it's been really good. I liked their program.
It's efficient, you get nationwide exposure with one flaw. I've
sold several, like I said, but the final transaction that
(23:56):
we've had so far was to buyer in tech Is
my local FFL shipped to the FFL in Texas and
completed the transaction, and several days later gun broker took
sales tax out of his account. The sales tax should
(24:18):
be on the receiving end where they know their tax
situation in each jurisdiction, rather than coming back here where
we don't even have sales tax.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Did you contact my contact gun broker to ask about
it to see they can get that corrected.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I've been trying, but I couldn't find a phone number,
and yeah, I don't know the.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I don't know the ins and outs on that one.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Yeah, I've got five or six other rifles I'm going
to put on in the next week or two, and
that they've done really well. And I've gotten calls from Wisconsin,
West Virginia, Texas, Louisiana with questions about the various firearms
we've had on there. Everybody's been very polite and interested
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in the individual firearms, and well, you know that's.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Our community, isn't it. It's just a nice, polite community
for the most part. Now, I will say that you
know you're willing to do this, and a lot of
people are to sell them individually and go through the process.
Some people say I got a lot of guns, or
may I got one or two guns. They don't want
to do this, so that's why they go to Johnny
Dury down to Durry's Guns and says, look, Johnny would
just buy them all out right, don't have to fool
with it. He'll send you a box and a labeling,
(25:39):
slap it there and you go just appear. There's a
lot of different ways to go. Clearly, you can sell
guns locally. You can sometimes you can sell them to
a local gun store. But for a lot of people
they say, you know, I just don't want to do that.
But at the same time, I mean, look, I'm as
we're doing the show right now, Jeff, I'm getting notifications
from gun broker on the ones I am watching right now.
(26:01):
That gun you're watching is going to expire here, that
auction's going to end. You might want to get in
on that, and going, oh yeah, I know, I actually
watch a lot of them that I know. I'm not
going to buy him. I'm just curious to see what
those guns are going to sell for.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Does that make sense exactly?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I did the same, and I've found I really like
the one week auction rather than longer periods of time, right, I.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Agree, Yeah, And that's actually what Johnny does with his guns.
He puts them up for one week. In fact, all
of the Dury's guns on auction will be ending this afternoon,
this evening. So by this interest in those, I to
go take a look. Look, I got to keep running here, Jeff.
I appreciate the call. Congrats on making some good sales
there and having a good experience.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And yeah, give him a shout.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
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get that question answered over at gun Broker.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Let's do this. I do want to We're not going
to get buzzed in. Buzz.
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All right, let's grab buzz at a new bron Fulls Texas. Hey, buzz,
how you doing man?
Speaker 15 (30:26):
I'm good? Tom? How you doing well?
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I am good?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
We got to get shoot together over at the range
Ready a few weeks ago.
Speaker 15 (30:33):
Yeah, that's what I called for. I want to just
I owe you a call talk give your range report
about the range Ready folks. I've been there four times
the last few times with same classes as you, with
the diagnostic pistol and the Jacob Gray experience, and I
just have all every time I go there. That's a
great place.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Why I know people ask you, why do you keep
going back? You've been to range Ready four times now
for these the classes and the events that are held there.
This last one, of course, we're shooting this double stack
high end three thousand dollars high end pistol, and at
the end of the class you ended up getting the pistol.
They're going they took them all back. They're going to
make some modifications to them and tweak them up a
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little bit. Because I think we were the guinea pigs
buz on some of these guns.
Speaker 15 (31:19):
Yeah, I think we were. I'll tell you the reason
was funny. When we were in the class, people were
saying they went there for that take a great experience,
for that gun deal. I went there to learn how
to shoot twenty eleven. I've gone about one hundred yards
down the twenty eleven mile. I bought a twenty eleven
previously different brand. I couldn't get to running. I just
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couldn't run it very well. I could shoot a fine,
but I couldn't operate it very well as far as
mag changes malfunction drills to do it quickly. So I
always had problems with that, and I finally just had
a friend who bade me an offer. I couldn't refuse
an off the gun went. So when this and then
came up, I said, you know what, having gone to
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three classes and honestly what drive me was the level
of personal interaction from the trainers you get when you
go to a class at range ready. You know, it's
not like I've been to gunsight classes. I'm in other
classes and I've got a lot of those classes, but
not to the extent that I've gotten arranger ready with
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Christ and his crew, Because they teach you when you're
doing a drill. They're working with you at the level
you're at to bring you to a higher level. So
if you're sitting there and you're Joe middle of the
road and you're sitting next to some high speed operator
kind of guy, they teach you at your level, and
they teach him and his and that's what I like
the most about a dreading.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's interesting you say that, because I sometimes I would
sit back and watch these young instructors. He's got a
full team of them, and they would watch the shooters
and then they would just kind of slide in to
one person one one instructor going and say, you know,
why don't you try this? As you say, it may
be a simple thing. You know what, Let me back up.
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It's always a simple thing, isn't it.
Speaker 15 (33:12):
It is. When I was I had bought a PA
three sixty five macerel and I was just not being
able to run it very well. And I'm kind of
a striker fire guy, but I was not having any
good luck. I took it to the I don't know
if you remember, we talked about it when I was
at the diagnostic pistol and two simple tips that they
observed from me and gave me on the line, and
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it just turned it around for me on that gun,
which is which is kind of the point. You know,
I've always we talked and we all talked about this.
You know, I got this thing. Fit is fine, but
proficiency is finals kind of take off that old white
earth thing. But you can. You know, everybody says you
need to go find a gun that fits your hand
for a new shooter or I'm a believer that you
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can learn any gun if somebody teaches you how to
run it. When we teach a kid out to drive
the right card, teaching might be on a Toyota Corolla,
but if all you gots in f three fifty, you
got to teach take you how to drive it. And
it's just a matter of instruction over fit.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Interesting proposition. I kind of see where you're going. I mean,
it's one thing you do want to have a gun
that fits you if you can, but it doesn't mean
you can't learn to run anything. And look, I got
kind of short, little stubby fingers, and that big double
stack nineteen eleven has a big grip, and I just
wasn't sure that was going to work for me. And
I was looking forward to the class. That's one of
the things I wanted to find out. And at first
(34:39):
I thought, man, it's a big old fat grip, and
about I don't know, thirty minutes to an hour into
the class, I stopped thinking about it, and I never
thought about it again and I just ran the pistol
and it just wasn't an issue at all.
Speaker 15 (34:53):
That's right, and that's what that was my problem. I've got,
you know, not I got short, stubby fingers and at
twenty eleven, just a big, big grip for me.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
But it's guy.
Speaker 15 (35:03):
And like I said, I went to range Ready. It
wouldn't have mattered if it was a brand X, brand Y,
brand Zee or a Jacob Gray twenty eleven. I went
there for those guys to show me how to effectively
operate it, and I walked away knowing what to do.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, we had somebody else that you know. I went
there because I knew we were going to get this
really cool gun. But I came away understanding that the
value of the experience was the class and the instruction.
And I thought that's really interesting. But you know, you
don't know that until you go, do.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
You don't.
Speaker 15 (35:35):
And one thing, you know, it can be intimidating. First
time I went to my first big place I ever
went to was gun sight. You know, we were kind
of intimidated in my wife and I went to a
class a two fifty pistol. But you know, this is
a group of people the firearms industry just welcomes everybody,
and it doesn't matter if you're a brand new or
(35:56):
you've been in there forever. Everybody can get along. And
Range Ready is just, you know, a prime example of that.
I mean, the facility is real nice. Everybody on staff
is excellent. Struggling you go to a class that's still
personal instruction, right, I.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Mean, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You could be a Navy seal or you could be
a first timer who brings a box in and say
I bought this gun that's still in the box, and
they will be able to help each of you at
whatever level you are and add some things to it.
It's a great experience. Look, I appreciate it's a great
range report, and yeah, I believe in what they're doing
(36:33):
down there.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
They're doing some wonderful things.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
In fact, I've got to report on the thing they
just did this past week is great.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Bus.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Look, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate
the range report and really enjoyed getting to meet you.
And now we've shot together in two of these classes.
I do and thank you, sir. I do try to
get down there whenever possible. I don't get to all
the classes, but they do have some that are particularly
really good. I would just say, take a look at
the range ready studios dot com website. See when they're
(37:01):
having classes. Sign up for the email list, because the
really good class these are small classes. These are really
small classes. The really good ones sell out sometimes before
they can even get them posted to the website because
the people on the mail list, they'll get the early notification.
And some of these are not exactly what you call classes.
(37:25):
We call them experiences. They're made to mirror what the
media gets, what gun writers get when they're invited to
a media event.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Along those lines.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
They just had an event and when we talked about
that in a little bit here a little bit more,
just had an event for the last few days that
arrange Ready called lever Fest. Last year Ryan put to
one it was called five seven Fest. It was everything
about the five seven cartridge and the guns made and
accessories and all that. This year it was lever action guns.
I mean had Smith and Wesson and you know, well
(37:59):
basically pretty much everybody's making lever guns were there, and
people who make ammunition, and they tried different kinds of ammunition.
They were shooting into ballistic gel they're trying different.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Things, and they did recreate.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Some of the old cowboy stuff of trying to shoot
a playing card in half with a bullet and trying
to shoot you know, from like the old Western. So
somebody's getting hung by the neck and the hero shoots
the rope and breaks it, you know, and the person
who's getting hung falls. So they had a hangman's noose event.
(38:34):
You had to shoot through that. It was a hoot
and a half. Everybody had a great time and to
my knowledge, no one had ever done anything.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Like that before.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
It's not a creative stuff they're doing down there.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
It's quite amazing. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
The website is range ready Studios dot com if you
want to take a look at it, and maybe you
can sign up sometime either now or in the fall.
They try not to do it in the summer because
that's too darn hot that he's in. So yeah, Donald
(39:12):
Trump with the tariffs which are on and off and
on and off, it's spooked a lot of people, and
a lot of people are talking about what's it going
to do to people or companies in the firearms industry. Well,
it's going to do some things. There's no doubt about
it if we do, in fact end up with tariffs
on some countries.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Well, think about this.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
We got some ammal companies that make a lot of
AMMO outside the country. PMC is made in Korea. I
think mag Tech is made in Brazil. If I remember right,
Aguila has made in Mexico, Amimal prices could go up,
and could go up significantly. I just well, right before
(39:57):
the show, I mean literally, Jim said basically talk to
be Are you ready for the show? So just second,
I got to finish this order. I just ordered three
thousand more rounds of nine milimeters, two of standard velocity
and one of subsonic. One thousand is two and one
thousand rounds. By the way, Oh yeah, I can save
you some money. By the way, We've got a deal
(40:17):
set up over at Browneils dot com where they have
lots of AMMO. If you use these two codes, you
can save some money. April twenty five gets you twenty
five dollars off on an order of two fifty April
fifty April and five zero will get you fifty dollars
off on an order of five hundred dollars. Those are
only good through this month to the end of the month,
(40:39):
So April twenty five or April fifty gets you twenty
five or fifty bucks off on your orders over at
Browneils dot com. Let's say March four Hour Lives is
a gun control group made up of young people, created
by who knows who, lots of money, millions and millions
of dollars there. David Hogg, the now I guess vice
(41:01):
chair of the Democratic Party, was a big part of that.
They just announced they essentially had to let everybody go.
They I think eleven of their thirteen full time staff
they had to let go because they don't have any money.
G I wonder what happened. Well, then the news stories
are saying, well, you know, the Democratic the big donors
(41:22):
to the Democrats have pulled back.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, maybe so. I mean, this was a.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
George Clooney Spielberg funded deal. But I think there's more
too than that. I think what really happened was that
all that money was going to USAID and then sent
to nngos non governmental organizations, And we have since learned
(41:49):
a lot of that got funneled back to Democrat politicians
and their sons and daughters and wives and whatever, but
a lot of it actually got sent to gun control groups.
I would not be surprised if we if the Doge
people were to dig into it, we would find that
a lot of the money for the March for Our
(42:10):
Lives gun control group was taken out of your pocket
and out of my pocket in the form of taxes.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Hey, this money, or we will come and shoot you.
That's taxes.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
And then that money was taken and sent to USAID
and funneled, in other words, money laundering back to gun
control groups. I think it's probable that March for Our
Lives is having financial trouble because we have figured out
the scam. We've exposed the scam, and we have stopped
(42:44):
the scam. And for those who are saying who voted
for this, I did, That's exactly what I voted for.
It's to stop the theft. It's not waste for aud abuse.
That's theft. That's what it is. And I'm delighted that
the gun control groups are hurting from money. And when
we come back, I'm going to tell you what else
the Trump administration has been doing.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Wiping out a lot.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Of the gun control efforts at ATF, but also wait
for this one, at their centers for disease control, Yes,
the CDC, which it turns out if you had asked me,
I could have told you because I've been doing this
show for thirty years and they have been doing gun
control efforts at the CDC for thirty years, and I've
been talking about it. That part has been wiped out
(43:28):
as well. And boy are the gun banner screaming And
I couldn't be happier.
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