September 14, 2025 • 43 mins
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Guest host Ryan Gresham, with Chris Cerino and Kevin Jarnagin, welcome Chris Wisecarver from Fusion Thermal.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk Coast to coast.
For thirty years, we've.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Been talking about guns. I am your host for today,
Ryan Gresham.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Tom is off. I don't know, he's on a vacation
or something.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Hunting.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I've heard about vacations. I've heard about this.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
People do it. It's something they do. But we've got
the team here from gun Talk and you kind of
have to just put up with us. We got we're
here for another hour. So one of the things on
gun Talk we cover the waterfront. So sometimes when you
say you host a show called gun Talk, they go,
oh so like hunting, like well, yes, and concealed Carrie
(00:53):
and target shooting and Olympic sports and everything to do
with guns.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And I'm viously, the.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Evolution of optics has changed a lot of things over
the years. One of the areas that we've seen extremely
popular growth is night vision and thermal and so we
wanted to bring in one of our buddies who's local.
He's in studio with us. Chris Weiskarver Fusion Thermal.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Welcome in Man, Oh, glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Thanks for the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So you're an optics guy and all things optics guy.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But you guys have this.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Company, Fusion Thermal, And we said, you know, thermal is
a little bit of for a lot of people, it's
a bit of mystery and how does this all work?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
How can we see this stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And wanted to kind of answer some of those questions
that we get and I'm sure you guys get all
the time when it comes to thermal and thermal is
not night vision. What's the difference? And where do we
go from there? But just for an introduction, tell us
about Fusion Thermal.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Well, you know, as you mentioned, I've been in the
optics industry very long time and just fell down that
rabbit hole twenty five years ago. Loved everything about optics.
It changed the whole hunting experience for me. So as
we saw the advent of night vision come into the
industry and the revolution that that was, and then suddenly
(02:19):
this thing comes along, this infrared technology what we now
call thermal and you know, it was this dream because
it was all thirty forty thousand dollars for these really
crude instruments. Well, next thing, you know, we start seeing
products appear that are ten fifteen thousand, and then sub
ten thousand. So we've seen this whole this industry developed
(02:43):
like super rapidly, faster than anything that I've seen come
to the gun industry or the hunting industry ever. And
on the other side of it, we've seen the hunting
opportunities expand so rapidly. So yeah, it's been it's been
a whirlwind for the last five seven years. And now
(03:03):
it's just it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
If someone hasn't been paying attention, what you just said
is so true that they're thinking that it's super expensive
and it seems to be getting more affordable every year.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Why is that, Well, primarily because there's a huge demand
and when you jump into it, you've got a lot
of manufacturers that want to cash in on that. Right,
So if you go back five years ago, there were
only a handful of global players that made the technology
for these devices, and and you know their focus was
(03:43):
mainly on the military.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
As manufacturing efficiencies improved and the prices could come down.
Suddenly there's consumers that are interested.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And everybody's mad at all these hogs.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Oh yeah, and that's that's the other thing.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You know, Suddenly you've got this explosion of these feral hogs,
and and we've got seven billion dollars in crop damage
occurring every year. And next thing you know, farmers are
inviting all of the local hunters out there on their
property at night to control the population. So this whole
thing is just really just taken off.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I think part of the story is fusion Thermal's story
is also an explanation for people about how thermal works
and how you guys do it, I mean, starting with
the materials involved, I mean germanium.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, so there's it's an interesting story that fusion thermal
was really born out of the whole pandemic era, right.
I was introduced to a physicist that had a really
unique technology spent on the thermal, on the thermal sensor
side of things, and it was really appealing and we
(04:51):
felt like that this was something we could bring to
the market. And then, of course the pandemic had and
that messed things up.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
For a while.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
But so it was a slow roll to get fusion
thermal going. We're not quite the household name yet.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But what is it that?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, how you guys do it? I mean it's
kind of like step one, how does thermal work? And
but also kind of how are you guys doing it?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
So there are two major components to a thermal device.
The first one is is the front lens. And when
you say lens, people think it's a glass lens, but
it's not. The You know, you have all of this
energy that comes from the Sun down to Earth, and
if you look at that whole electromagnetic spectrum, you've got ultraviolet,
(05:37):
you've got visible light, and then you have the infrared.
These devices see a part of the energy spectrum that
we as humans can't see, right. So to collect that
energy and to turn it into a visible image is
where the magic happens. And it's really two steps. One
is the front lens. It's not made of glass. The
(05:59):
front l lends on thrumbals, is actually made of a
metal called germanium. It's a extremely rare and precious material
that comes out of the Earth. You can't mind it directly.
It's got to come from silver and zinc. It's a
trace mineral. It's actually the last thing that was ever
discovered on the periodic chart of elements.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And so and that's a germanium blank right there.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay, So Chris brought the germanium blank, which our other
Chris Crino is holding. What do you think of that, Chris?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I look at it, and I'm mystified. I look at this,
the weight of it, the beauty of it. It's a mirror. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
What's interesting about germanium is it's think of it. If
you're trying to look at it with visible light, like
we're sitting here doing this is a complete solid It's
like it wouldn't matter if it was wafer tissue, paper thin.
You could not see any visible light through it. Okay,
(07:04):
but when you apply infrared wave energy to it, it's transparent,
like not like water clear, but like air clear, low
humidity air clear.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
So, just like the front lens on a day optic.
If you're looking for a way to collect energy ways
and then transmit it into the device, this is this
is the miracle that makes it happen. This is the
substance that allows people to do what they've wanted to
do since the beginning. Of time, and that is to
(07:39):
see it.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Night see at night.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, and that's the thing. I know that three and O.
I know you are a huge night hunter guy. It's
one of my favorite ways to hunt. And because we
live in the South, it's it's pretty pretty popular and
pretty common to do night hunting, especially for hogs, but
people do it for coyotes and other other critters. Out
(08:01):
there hunting at night. It's like, you're not supposed to
be out there, but you are. And I think the
animals act differently, don't you think, Chris, They do, and.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
People act differently. You know, it's really fund. I was
on a hunt a couple of weeks ago down to
Texas and we had some guys in the Northeast and
of course gun laws are just like crazy up there, sure,
and night hunting opportunities haven't made it there yet. And
so we're all piled into this truck, we're all holding
ars at night, going down a road and they're like.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is this legal?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It is exciting. Yes, I remember when I first started
doing it, and everybody's in the four wheeler or whereever
you're in and it's like, really doing this is this legal?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know, you're on the right track doing an activity
where everyone says, is this legal?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You go believe it or not. It is totally legal.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And you know, I've met guys that have hunted everything
all over the planet and going on nighttime hunt for
hogs and say, this is the most fun I've ever
had hunting ever. Yeah, so you know, I call it
the fourth season. Right, So we had traditional hunting, then
bow hunting came along, then muzzleloader. If you're old enough
(09:15):
probably remember the whole muscleloader phrase. Well, now we've got
this thermal hunting at night and it's just exploded.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, and the thing is a bo season created a
market for archery. A muzzleloader season created a market for muzzleloaders,
which whereas people have kind of moved on from that,
like why do I care about this? But it created
a market for it. Same thing with for thermal. Right,
we having night hunting season and areas that you can
(09:43):
do this. Now we have a reason to care about
night vision and thermal and IR and lasers and all
this stuff. I know that people have a lot of
questions for you, and I mean I have questions, but
I'm sure you have some of those frequently asked questions.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Things like resolution and refresh rate.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
There's a lot of stats out there, and people start
looking at thermal I mean, are there kind of like
general best practices or pro tips that you have for
people when they're looking.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, So the first thing is, don't over rely on
written specifications when you're shopping for this, because just because
you have a certain resolution sensor, it doesn't mean that
that censor is as good as another sensor with the
same resolution. Okay, there's a huge performance difference. And I'll
(10:31):
talk about censors briefly. So imagine you've got this TV
screen shaped microchip, and if you talk about a six
forty resolution, it means it has six hundred and forty
pixels on each line, and you might have five hundred
and twelve lines of six forty three hundred and twenty
eight thousand pixels all sitting there passively waiting for infrared
(10:58):
energy to come in so it can measure the wavelength
and then ultimately create an image that you see, right.
And there's a lot of things that go into these sensors.
You know that when they produce these sensors, many of
them are within spec many of them aren't. And the
ones that aren't. Don't go in the garbage. Can they
(11:18):
go onto the more affordable device?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay? Sure, So there's there's.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Really it's one of these things where you know, you get.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
What you pay for.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's the old adage.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
But fortunately there are some affordable stuff for people to
get into if they want to see if they like
and enjoy nighttime hunting.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yep, So there's.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Really at this point, there's a flavor for everybody. You know,
if a guy's got a two thousand dollars budget or
fifteen hundred dollars budget, they've got it. But if you've
got a passionate coyoting hunter out in the Midwest and
he loves doing this, and he's doing competitions and he
wants to spend seven thousand dollars to get that top tier,
(11:59):
it's available.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And if you spend, the more you do, get more
right you do. A resolution and perhaps identification out of
distance is one of those of images.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, we've got you know, it depends on the quality
of the Germanium you're using. But we've got devices that
can see twenty three hundred yards now, wow. And you
know now that you've got laser systems where they're integrated
into the devices. They do automatic ballistic compensation, so the
range of effectiveness is extending. You get a lot of
(12:29):
these coyotes that get hung up at three, four, five
hundred yards and guys that hunt is the right kind
of terrain want to be able to take that shot.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Well and seeing now to distance is great. But one
of the exciting things for me, Serino is when you're
hunting at night, you can get pretty close.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I love Number one first thing and foremost about night
hunting is the nighttime is so mysterious. Everything is mysterious,
and unless you've got a flashlight, and then the nighttime
is still mysterious. And then you get a thermal and
it's like you're in the dark but you can see.
But for me, what I wanted to say was I
(13:08):
want to I just wanted to take a pause on resolution.
For me, resolution and being able to see what I'm identify,
what I'm truly shooting at. That is so important for
people to understand that when you're out there and you
can identify because in tall grass, a deer can look
like a hog yeah because you can't see the legs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
And the better resolution, the better firm you have you're
gonna identify, because, yeah, you can't just shoot everything that
glows in the dark when you're hunting with thermal, and
that's super important.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's one of those amazing things walking on the dark
with that.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's like you have a superpower and it's just such
a cool experience.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
We're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
After break, we'll keep talking about thermal and maybe away
from you to get into it.
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Speaker 2 (16:29):
Buddy, all right, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We're talking thermal with Chris Wisecarver from Fusion Thermal Optics,
and we've got the Chris and Chris team on the couch.
Chris so Reno is here as well, because so Reno,
you've become a night hunting junkie.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I am. I am, and honestly it's because of where
I live now, in the fact that I can do it.
I can walk out my back door, I can go
to tents of a mile or ten minutes down the
road and I have opportunities. And before we went into
the break, I was talking about resolution because I think
it's so important to be able to see what it
is you're going to point a gun at and shoot.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Absolutely, And you mentioned the expression superpower. There is a
phenomena that when people first get their thermals, I call
it the video game phenomena. Right, they think it looks
like a video game to them, it's a completely different
experience and it requires discipline to make sure that you
(17:33):
get solid target ID. Yes, thermal is a miracle technology.
It really has changed everything about how we interact with
animals at the nighttime. But it it is not a
high resolution technology, so target identification is critical. You know,
people accidentally shoot things all the time, and is it
(17:57):
is it a raccoon in the brush or is it
a you're laying down.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Right, Just because you're looking at a hotspot doesn't mean
you get to shoot at it.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
So to your point is, you know, we we have
different resolutions available on the market from two fifty six
all the way to twelve eighty now, and as you
go up the price escalates and if you really get
into it, you're going to want to trade up in resolution.
But the thing you've got to understand is if you
buy the more affordable product and it has lower resolution limit,
(18:29):
the distance that you're going to engage targets is going
to give you better that's right, higher resolution, better quality Germanium.
Larger germanium lenses will extend your detection and identification ranger.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
So for me, resolution is a big deal. I hunt,
you know, I'm within three hundred yards. Two hundred is
generally my maximum, but one hundred is great to be
able to identify the difference between a big pig and
a little pig. Of course, when there's not a bunch
of pigs out there, being able to see those cold
spots to me, being able to see that fat hanging
(19:06):
off that because it shows up as darker, you know,
if I'm using white as my heat, that stuff to
me is just it blows me away. And I have
to say one last thing Ryan real quick, and I'll
butt out here. But man, fusion thermal. I didn't even
know about it until we went to your facility. People
are calling me all the time and they're like, hey,
I need to look I need a thermal, And I'm like, man,
you gotta look at fusion thermal because the prices are
(19:28):
right in my experience. I haven't hunted with your stuff yet,
and I'm going to. I promised that one day. But
from what I saw at the factory and looking through that,
I was truly impressed with the size of the optic,
the weight of the optic, and the clarity.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I'll throw another thing out because we're kind of talking
about hunting. It's fun to be able to look out
the night and see stuff. I mean, and just you're
going around if you have some property, you've got a ranch,
you got a farm, and you just see what's out there,
even if you weren't hunting, and you're identifying. You know,
there's deer, there's coyotes, there's whatever. The more you're out
(20:04):
there in the field, the more you're gonna get you're
gonna get better at identifying, right. I mean, I've figured
that out over the years. Well, wait a minute, a
deer through thermal. You notice the neck, you notice the
long legs, and you know at distance. I mean we're
talking about if this thing's at seven hundred yards, Chris,
I might have put on an amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Stalk on deer that I thought was a hog from
like seven hundred yards out and then all of a
sudden he lifted his head up from feeding.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
You went, ah, it's the deer. There's there's a neck,
there's the legs. Now I can see it. But spend
a little time out there. You don't want to be
my buddy's wife who they brought her out for the
first time on a ranch in Texas And the reality
is you're on ranches.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They say, Hey, there's.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Hogs, We would like you to shoot them. There are
also cows on this ranch. Do not shoot the cows.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Wow, big herd of hogs often mixed up together.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Sneak up on.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Them and then boom, boom boom they're running. Shoot, Oh,
we just bought a cow.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Call the rancher. I'm really I'm really sorry, and they're like, cool,
but uh, you need to pay for it, and you
need to get this thing out of here. Try call
on a butcher at three am.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I'll tell you what I've I have. I have stalked
some amazing armadillo.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yes, Chris, what else do people need to know? And
they're just starting to get into this and look at thermal.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Well, you know, if you're if you're hunting. That's one thing, right.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
The other side of this is what thermal can do
for anybody passionate about the outdoors. There are bird watchers.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, unbelievable where you can see and they c yeah. Yeah,
they go out.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
And they cow birds and migrations. I had some ladies
come up to me at a trade show. They use
handheld thermals to fund mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Wow, lots of use it. The fun guy create a
little heat.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, lots of ways to use it. So they find
out more at fusion thermal dot com.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Fusion thermal dot com. Okay, and we'll all memes. Give
us a call if you've got some questions. You got questions,
Chris and his team has answers. Thanks for being with us.
We'll be back with more gun talk.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Filling in for Tom today.
It's Ryan Gresherman, our team of gun talkers, Kevin jarn again,
Chris Sarno back on the couch.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Welcome in, Boiz. We Uh, we've had some good guests today. Huh.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
All right, geez, I love it. I wish I wish
it could be like this all the time because it's
super interesting and.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
If you're listening to this, go check it out. We
are filming this. You can actually watch this all take place.
We're gonna be posting it or actually, I guess probably
at this point if you're listening to it, We've posted
it on the gun Talk website, gun talk dot com,
on gun talks Facebook x YouTube.
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Speaker 9 (23:11):
I get those all the time, and I'm like, not
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No, thanks, check on spy next to day buddy.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Not on my phone.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, So, guys, I was thinking about we were talking
with Jason from Lipsey's and all the special guns they do,
and it's really funny that I didn't talk about our
special gun that we're doing with Lipsy's and Ruger and Derry's,
which perhaps I should have mention people might want to
know about it.
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Well, yeah, but it's funny that you didn't mention it,
because right, I mean, hey, it's cool, let's talk about
it right now.
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Gun Talk Scout rifle.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's out there and if you listen to this show,
you listen to this podcast, you've heard us talk about it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I don't know if you've.
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Bought one yet, but it's a really cool gun. And
here's the here's the backstory of this gun. Guys, like
we like cool guns. We haven't ever done a long
gun as a gun talk special edition gun and looking
at Scout rifles being something that could be tactical defensive,
(24:10):
but it could be hunting. It's just it's a good
all around gun. And Chris, I know that you've shot
the Ruger Gin Too American rifle a lot, and every
time we send you outside to site one in and
get it ready for filming, what do you come back in.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Saying, I'm actually always impressed because they're very accurate, they're lightweight,
and I think I could use this in a blind Yeah,
you should stop being surprised, because that's like since they
came out that Gin two, you should stop being surprised.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
There's no there's no surprise anymore what Ruger has been doing.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
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Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, just one of those guns that everybody says it
shoots better than it should because it's it's an affordable gun.
Now ours a special it's got the rail.
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It's a sixteen in Sparreal.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And probably one of the cooler things about it is
you can get it in three h eight, which is
the traditional Scout rifle caliber chambering, but you can also
get it in two two three or five five six,
I should say, and it'll take armags.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, And and that was the thing that impressed me
the first one, because the first one we got was
the Gen three in two twenty three five five six, okay,
five five six chambering. And I've never had a Bold
Action two twenty three that was accurate. And I tried
a bunch you've had really had albums.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
But what has our last two been, our last two
five five six bolt action guns that have really shot, well,
what have they been? Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Urgerst I go, Now, you're right, I mean one hundred percent.
I was. I was super impressed.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So it comes with.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It comes with iron sights on the gun, so you
can that's kind of one of the deals about a
Scout rifle. You take out of the box, you go
shoot it, you go hunt with it, you go use
it for whatever. But it does have a long rail
on it. You know, scout scopes in general, some of
them have a scout rail, so it's a scout scope
you put out kind of like aure intermedia eye relief.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
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Speaker 3 (26:18):
You could run a traditional scope, you could run a
low power variable optic, you could run a scout scope.
You could run a red dot, or you can run
it with iron sights. Chris, which one would.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You do if you got one of these scout rifles?
What type of setup are you going to do? Optics wise?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Honestly, I'd put like a nice two to ten or
something like that on it. I'd run a regular optic
because I could see value in it across the board. Now,
if I really wanted to get crazy, I'd put a
one to something on it and thermal clip on on
it because.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's gotten a rail, real estate thermal clip on maybe
US thermal clip on right.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I say, kJ, what do you what do you think?
I think?
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Man, the five five six, I may want to go
with a red dot or you could do a forty
five degree offset red dot. Yeah on that which I like.
I like the odds rail there and that rail is
That rail is probably one of the biggest additions to
this gun. This this gun talk Scout that I like
the most because you do have those options available to
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three oh eight. I'm probably gonna do what Chris does.
I'll go to two to ten.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
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Speaker 3 (27:46):
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Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's a gun that you could really customize because you
do have that muzzle break or flash hider on the
end of it, so it's a thread of barrel. It's
a great gun to suppress.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know that flashhighter is coming off, coming off.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
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Speaker 2 (28:24):
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Speaker 3 (28:27):
But I mean, I think for me, it's probably going
to be the five five six might be like a
big old red dot on the three O eight. I'm
probably going like a one.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
To six power, very low per variable optic kind of deal.
I want to keep it. I don't want to make
it big. No, it's a it's a lightweight.
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Speaker 2 (31:53):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We keep this show rolling, this trains rolling down the tracks.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Whether you like it or not, it's happening.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Chris Reno, Kevin Jenardigan with USJJJ. So we're down here
in South Louisiana at gun Talk HQ and we get
to hunt something that isn't all over the country, and
that's alligators, and it's alligator seasons, so you have to
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draw tags for it in Louisiana, which is crazy because
I think there are more alligators than people.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
kJ. You drew tags? Oh I drew tags.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Didn't you think you didn't draw tag when you were
you were used at the notice?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Yes, because Hannah read it wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I was like, here, read it, I need look that
was me.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah idiot. She had me depressed.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah me too, like oh wait, no you did draw Yeah?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
You regret to inform you that you have to pay
one hundred and twenty five dollars for three alligators?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
What this is like a reality show? kJ? Sorry, but
you're gonna have to go hunting this fall?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Damn.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So people have questions because they're like, seriously, alligators, why.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Do you hunt them? How do you hunt them? And
then we'll bring the gun part into this. What guns
do you guys use for them?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So, Chris, I'm gonna go real short, I'm gonna answer
them why why do you hunt them? Who gets to
do that? Who gets to go out into the swamps
and hunt alligators? One experience?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And they are edible? I would say that it's like pork.
Their meat is like pork.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yes, I don't know, they're porky.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Chicken, a chickeny pork.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I've try, like, so it's kind of has Sometimes it
has the consistency of like a calamari every one's in
a while.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Calami kind of has that like a little bit of
rubbery taste to it. The best thing to do is
make it into sausage.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
Oh no, no, no, oh, fried up? No, like I
brian it in pickle juice.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Oh yeah, you've done it.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
Yeah, brian it and pickle juice for a couple of days,
and then fry it up ranch dressing.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I think I could brine as the sole of a
shoe and pickle juice and fried delicious.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Because Gater's delicious and I love the sausage. Yeah yeah,
all right, but like sauce.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
But let's talk about guns for gators and how you
have well, because there's a certain way you have to
harvest them in Louisiana.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Well in certain areas, so like if you go to
one WMA or public hunting area riverway, like, it might
be different than the others, so check your regulations. But primarily
you can't shoot across water on a lot of these areas,
so you kind of eliminate like a long gun.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So at least have to put out debate and hook them.
Oh yeah, yeah, and then pull them in.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I still need to harvest bamboo poles. I still haven't
cut any bamboo.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Really, you have bamboo that hangs over the water, I'll
describe it. Yeah, listening to this, and because the first
time I ever saw this, I was a kid hunting
in Cameron Parish and the guys bringing us around.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
He's like, Oh, let's go, let's go shoot some gatis. Yeah,
And I mean it was like wild.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
We're pulling up gaters on these strings because they hang
the meat over the water, and the gats come out
of the water and they bite on it and it's in.
They're hooked like a fish. But the line is tied
to the land. That's right, And then you're a tree
or a tree or something right, and you pull it
in and you pull it.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Close enough to shoot it very close.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I think probably a lot of people have seen what's
the gate on swamp people?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah? Yeah, So you put the pole in the ground
at an angle. The angle sets well based on the
strength and of amboo. Yes, kJ have a question. I
put my pole in, I run my cord up. There
doesn't matter how high I hang my chicken bait over
the water relative to the size of the gator.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Yes, like I like to be higher. I like to
be higher. And you have to watch water tables on
some of these reservoirs because overnight the water could come up,
or if it's going to rain, you know that water's
gonna come up, so you want to hang higher. And
bigger gators tend to come at a higher level.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
They can, they can jump out of the water.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
Get that they're they're swimming that tail up.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Water, jump up.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The tide comes in all of a sudden, you're just
catching crabs course fish.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
So that's the real thing. Last year, I had the
hardest time getting my bait high enough, and I'm like, oh,
it's too low, a screw it, and then I end
up with a six footer.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
You end up with six footers. But I'm telling you,
if you hang higher, just hang, just hang.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
A foot higher.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And for those listening, Chris is seeing a six footer
is small.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yes, well, I mean eight footers are common and we
can pull it. We can regular.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Now let's talk about guns here, because you you do
shoot them, but.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It kind of doesn't matter which gun. Yes, No, what
do you think.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I say, whatever's on your hip man, your carry gun.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
Whatever you got works. But whatever you could shoot accurately.
Like I used a five to seven one year. Yeah,
and it was awesome. It was perfect. It was a
little rigger five to seven.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
The gator go low recoil, yeah, five seven.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah. Like I last year, I had tags and Jacob
helped me out. I never shot one gator, but they
were my tags, and I hunted the gators. But I'm
pulling the cord. That thing comes up, it's thrashing. Whoever's
right there, whoever's got a pistol on the hip is
taking shot.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And they can do it too. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
That's the scariest no skin off my nose, whatsoever.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
The scariest thing is pulling up. You don't know how
big it is. You know, you really don't big on
the end of the open. It doesn't come up angry.
You're gonna need a bigger boat.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yeah. You could be like the Gator boys or whatever,
and then yank the heck out of it and get
him worked up so when he comes crazy or you
can pull him gentle, and all of a sudden you're like,
oh my god, oh my god, there.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Is so so it doesn't matter what caliber for gator.
I would unlike too where we're talking five five, six.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
I'm telling you, like, don't use something. You don't have
to use anything big. Yes, just like a lot of
those swamp people guys they use twenty twos.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Don't be the guy that was Also, be careful, things
are wet, things are slashing or.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh man, all around, boats move.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
How many times did you almost end in last year
end up in the water?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, me at least three times that I literally tasted
the adrenaline in my mouth, like, yeah, it was scary.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I don't want to end up with them in the water.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
See, this is another time when you're out there going
is this legal? You know, if you have to say that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
You're having a good time. This is all good.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
So gator hunting, Yeah, it's a real thing. We're doing
it down here and it's it is gator season from
from now to the end of the year for people
in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So it's pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So what do you think if you're listening to this
right now, you know, gator hunting Thermal.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
We'd love you to join the conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Go over to gun Talk dot Com or any of
the gun Talk socials and watch what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Leave us a comment, we'll.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
Be right back.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
All right, Welcome back to gun Talk. Filling in for Tom.
It's the Gun Talk crew. I'm Ryan.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
We've got Chris and kJ here on the couch in
our new studio.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
We're filming this.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You guys gotta go watch it because maybe perhaps Tom
will let us do more of these, or maybe he's
gonna say, you guys are never allowed to do this again.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Do you think that might be the more?
Speaker 9 (39:35):
No, I think he'll be proud of what we've done today.
I think you've hosted really well. Like you you're hitting
the times like great topics.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
My premonition first thought should be jealous that he wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
So going back to the topic at the top of
the show, guns that we used to carry and we
don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'll tell you I I used to have a Smith
and Lessons six eighty six. Now I didn't carry it.
It was kind of my home defense gun. It was
actually a graduation gift three fifty seven. It was beautiful,
it was awesome. It flooded at Katrina. It's gone. It's gone.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Also, I'll go ahead and say the Bretta Silver Pigeon
over and under, that's gone. Katrina took that one too,
since we just passed the anniversary of the year Katrina,
so those are gone. There may have been a couple
other guns that got bulldozed in that house, but kind
of a bummer after I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right after Katrina, it was going I had to go.
We'd evacuated.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
We went back down south for something, and my dad
gave me. I believe it was a Taurus twenty four
to seven.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I don't even know where it is. I can't remember
if I sold it. I probably did sell it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
But it was kind of a all.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Right, here is a pistol that will go off and people,
But it wasn't. It wasn't very ergonomic, so to speak. Chris,
we learned about uh, we went about guns with not
a thumb safety but a grip safety.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
The easy What do you think?
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, I don't know how none of us thought about
the smith and lesson Easy. I mean, really it's there.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
Yeah, we can't store everything in our minds. Yeah, I
mean like Tom, like Tom stores everything. Jason Klosner, he Yeah,
they got everything.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Up there there, steel trap, those guys kJ people getting
ready for hunting season, sighting in other other things that
we see. There's don't be the guys who are moving
the rest to sight in the gun.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's like a team of four people. Yeaighting in a gun.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
You've got to you just got to prepare early. You know,
we're we're mid September now by the time this airs,
and guys are like going, oh, I better go do this, man,
you're already behind the E ball. I start preparing early
for SI cess later on.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Also, baby, go shoot the gun more than just siding
the hen like, go just get comfortable with the gun,
un Chris.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Yeah, shoot some fun steel targets. We're lucky. We've got
this range here. We got that know your limits target
out there. You can shoot that from a bench. You
can keep your zero from a bench, and then you
can go to that know your limits and then try
your positions and say, all right, I can do this.
I can make these shots. I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
kJ. You're gonna take the thirty thirty with the iron
sights back out this year? No, No, Because I was thinking.
Speaker 9 (42:29):
About that and you like, oh, maybe I should pick
that now because I don't want to be there. Two
hundred and seventy five yards is like the biggest buck
of my line and going, oh, he sure looks pretty.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Chris, you gonna bring out the Springfield XDS.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I think I am. I'm gonna get it out, I'm
gonna look at it. I'm gonna have to find it
because I've got you know, I know I was divorced
and all, but I really do still have so many
guns that I have to dig.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's like when the reporter asked Tom how many guns
he has and he goes, hmmm, well more than I need,
but not as many as I want. And then it's
kind of like, where are all those guns?
Speaker 4 (43:08):
And if you know how many you have.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
But I don't have enough. Yeah, yeah, let's get those
numbers up. Those are rookie numbers everybody.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
So hopefully on this episode we gave you some reasons
to get out there, to go shooting, to get ready
for hunting season. Challenge yourself a two second braw to
hit two shots on target. If you're carrying, It's not
just enough to just carry all the time. It's not
enough to just go stand out in the woods and
Hopefully we'll see you next time on gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk Coast to coast.
For thirty years, we've.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Been talking about guns. I am your host for today,
Ryan Gresham.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Tom is off. I don't know, he's on a vacation
or something.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Hunting.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I've heard about vacations. I've heard about this.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
People do it. It's something they do. But we've got
the team here from gun Talk and you kind of
have to just put up with us. We got we're
here for another hour. So one of the things on
gun Talk we cover the waterfront. So sometimes when you
say you host a show called gun Talk, they go,
oh so like hunting, like well, yes, and concealed Carrie
(00:53):
and target shooting and Olympic sports and everything to do
with guns.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And I'm viously, the.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Evolution of optics has changed a lot of things over
the years. One of the areas that we've seen extremely
popular growth is night vision and thermal and so we
wanted to bring in one of our buddies who's local.
He's in studio with us. Chris Weiskarver Fusion Thermal.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Welcome in Man, Oh, glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Thanks for the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So you're an optics guy and all things optics guy.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But you guys have this.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Company, Fusion Thermal, And we said, you know, thermal is
a little bit of for a lot of people, it's
a bit of mystery and how does this all work?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
How can we see this stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And wanted to kind of answer some of those questions
that we get and I'm sure you guys get all
the time when it comes to thermal and thermal is
not night vision. What's the difference? And where do we
go from there? But just for an introduction, tell us
about Fusion Thermal.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Well, you know, as you mentioned, I've been in the
optics industry very long time and just fell down that
rabbit hole twenty five years ago. Loved everything about optics.
It changed the whole hunting experience for me. So as
we saw the advent of night vision come into the
industry and the revolution that that was, and then suddenly
(02:19):
this thing comes along, this infrared technology what we now
call thermal and you know, it was this dream because
it was all thirty forty thousand dollars for these really
crude instruments. Well, next thing, you know, we start seeing
products appear that are ten fifteen thousand, and then sub
ten thousand. So we've seen this whole this industry developed
(02:43):
like super rapidly, faster than anything that I've seen come
to the gun industry or the hunting industry ever. And
on the other side of it, we've seen the hunting
opportunities expand so rapidly. So yeah, it's been it's been
a whirlwind for the last five seven years. And now
(03:03):
it's just it's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
If someone hasn't been paying attention, what you just said
is so true that they're thinking that it's super expensive
and it seems to be getting more affordable every year.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Why is that, Well, primarily because there's a huge demand
and when you jump into it, you've got a lot
of manufacturers that want to cash in on that. Right,
So if you go back five years ago, there were
only a handful of global players that made the technology
for these devices, and and you know their focus was
(03:43):
mainly on the military.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
As manufacturing efficiencies improved and the prices could come down.
Suddenly there's consumers that are interested.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And everybody's mad at all these hogs.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Oh yeah, and that's that's the other thing.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You know, Suddenly you've got this explosion of these feral hogs,
and and we've got seven billion dollars in crop damage
occurring every year. And next thing you know, farmers are
inviting all of the local hunters out there on their
property at night to control the population. So this whole
thing is just really just taken off.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I think part of the story is fusion Thermal's story
is also an explanation for people about how thermal works
and how you guys do it, I mean, starting with
the materials involved, I mean germanium.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, so there's it's an interesting story that fusion thermal
was really born out of the whole pandemic era, right.
I was introduced to a physicist that had a really
unique technology spent on the thermal, on the thermal sensor
side of things, and it was really appealing and we
(04:51):
felt like that this was something we could bring to
the market. And then, of course the pandemic had and
that messed things up.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
For a while.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
But so it was a slow roll to get fusion
thermal going. We're not quite the household name yet.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But what is it that?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, how you guys do it? I mean it's
kind of like step one, how does thermal work? And
but also kind of how are you guys doing it?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
So there are two major components to a thermal device.
The first one is is the front lens. And when
you say lens, people think it's a glass lens, but
it's not. The You know, you have all of this
energy that comes from the Sun down to Earth, and
if you look at that whole electromagnetic spectrum, you've got ultraviolet,
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you've got visible light, and then you have the infrared.
These devices see a part of the energy spectrum that
we as humans can't see, right. So to collect that
energy and to turn it into a visible image is
where the magic happens. And it's really two steps. One
is the front lens. It's not made of glass. The
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front l lends on thrumbals, is actually made of a
metal called germanium. It's a extremely rare and precious material
that comes out of the Earth. You can't mind it directly.
It's got to come from silver and zinc. It's a
trace mineral. It's actually the last thing that was ever
discovered on the periodic chart of elements.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And so and that's a germanium blank right there.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay, So Chris brought the germanium blank, which our other
Chris Crino is holding. What do you think of that, Chris?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I look at it, and I'm mystified. I look at this,
the weight of it, the beauty of it. It's a mirror. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
What's interesting about germanium is it's think of it. If
you're trying to look at it with visible light, like
we're sitting here doing this is a complete solid It's
like it wouldn't matter if it was wafer tissue, paper thin.
You could not see any visible light through it. Okay,
(07:04):
but when you apply infrared wave energy to it, it's transparent,
like not like water clear, but like air clear, low
humidity air clear.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
So, just like the front lens on a day optic.
If you're looking for a way to collect energy ways
and then transmit it into the device, this is this
is the miracle that makes it happen. This is the
substance that allows people to do what they've wanted to
do since the beginning. Of time, and that is to
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see it.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Night see at night.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, and that's the thing. I know that three and O.
I know you are a huge night hunter guy. It's
one of my favorite ways to hunt. And because we
live in the South, it's it's pretty pretty popular and
pretty common to do night hunting, especially for hogs, but
people do it for coyotes and other other critters. Out
(08:01):
there hunting at night. It's like, you're not supposed to
be out there, but you are. And I think the
animals act differently, don't you think, Chris, They do, and.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
People act differently. You know, it's really fund. I was
on a hunt a couple of weeks ago down to
Texas and we had some guys in the Northeast and
of course gun laws are just like crazy up there, sure,
and night hunting opportunities haven't made it there yet. And
so we're all piled into this truck, we're all holding
ars at night, going down a road and they're like.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is this legal?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
It is exciting. Yes, I remember when I first started
doing it, and everybody's in the four wheeler or whereever
you're in and it's like, really doing this is this legal?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know, you're on the right track doing an activity
where everyone says, is this legal?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You go believe it or not. It is totally legal.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And you know, I've met guys that have hunted everything
all over the planet and going on nighttime hunt for
hogs and say, this is the most fun I've ever
had hunting ever. Yeah, so you know, I call it
the fourth season. Right, So we had traditional hunting, then
bow hunting came along, then muzzleloader. If you're old enough
(09:15):
probably remember the whole muscleloader phrase. Well, now we've got
this thermal hunting at night and it's just exploded.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, and the thing is a bo season created a
market for archery. A muzzleloader season created a market for muzzleloaders,
which whereas people have kind of moved on from that,
like why do I care about this? But it created
a market for it. Same thing with for thermal. Right,
we having night hunting season and areas that you can
(09:43):
do this. Now we have a reason to care about
night vision and thermal and IR and lasers and all
this stuff. I know that people have a lot of
questions for you, and I mean I have questions, but
I'm sure you have some of those frequently asked questions.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Things like resolution and refresh rate.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
There's a lot of stats out there, and people start
looking at thermal I mean, are there kind of like
general best practices or pro tips that you have for
people when they're looking.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Yeah, So the first thing is, don't over rely on
written specifications when you're shopping for this, because just because
you have a certain resolution sensor, it doesn't mean that
that censor is as good as another sensor with the
same resolution. Okay, there's a huge performance difference. And I'll
(10:31):
talk about censors briefly. So imagine you've got this TV
screen shaped microchip, and if you talk about a six
forty resolution, it means it has six hundred and forty
pixels on each line, and you might have five hundred
and twelve lines of six forty three hundred and twenty
eight thousand pixels all sitting there passively waiting for infrared
(10:58):
energy to come in so it can measure the wavelength
and then ultimately create an image that you see, right.
And there's a lot of things that go into these sensors.
You know that when they produce these sensors, many of
them are within spec many of them aren't. And the
ones that aren't. Don't go in the garbage. Can they
(11:18):
go onto the more affordable device?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay? Sure, So there's there's.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Really it's one of these things where you know, you get.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
What you pay for.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's the old adage.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
But fortunately there are some affordable stuff for people to
get into if they want to see if they like
and enjoy nighttime hunting.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yep, So there's.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Really at this point, there's a flavor for everybody. You know,
if a guy's got a two thousand dollars budget or
fifteen hundred dollars budget, they've got it. But if you've
got a passionate coyoting hunter out in the Midwest and
he loves doing this, and he's doing competitions and he
wants to spend seven thousand dollars to get that top tier,
(11:59):
it's available.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And if you spend, the more you do, get more
right you do. A resolution and perhaps identification out of
distance is one of those of images.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Yeah, we've got you know, it depends on the quality
of the Germanium you're using. But we've got devices that
can see twenty three hundred yards now, wow. And you
know now that you've got laser systems where they're integrated
into the devices. They do automatic ballistic compensation, so the
range of effectiveness is extending. You get a lot of
(12:29):
these coyotes that get hung up at three, four, five
hundred yards and guys that hunt is the right kind
of terrain want to be able to take that shot.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Well and seeing now to distance is great. But one
of the exciting things for me, Serino is when you're
hunting at night, you can get pretty close.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I love Number one first thing and foremost about night
hunting is the nighttime is so mysterious. Everything is mysterious,
and unless you've got a flashlight, and then the nighttime
is still mysterious. And then you get a thermal and
it's like you're in the dark but you can see.
But for me, what I wanted to say was I
(13:08):
want to I just wanted to take a pause on resolution.
For me, resolution and being able to see what I'm identify,
what I'm truly shooting at. That is so important for
people to understand that when you're out there and you
can identify because in tall grass, a deer can look
like a hog yeah because you can't see the legs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
And the better resolution, the better firm you have you're
gonna identify, because, yeah, you can't just shoot everything that
glows in the dark when you're hunting with thermal, and
that's super important.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's one of those amazing things walking on the dark
with that.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It's like you have a superpower and it's just such
a cool experience.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
We're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
After break, we'll keep talking about thermal and maybe away
from you to get into it.
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Speaker 2 (16:29):
Buddy, all right, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We're talking thermal with Chris Wisecarver from Fusion Thermal Optics,
and we've got the Chris and Chris team on the couch.
Chris so Reno is here as well, because so Reno,
you've become a night hunting junkie.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I am. I am, and honestly it's because of where
I live now, in the fact that I can do it.
I can walk out my back door, I can go
to tents of a mile or ten minutes down the
road and I have opportunities. And before we went into
the break, I was talking about resolution because I think
it's so important to be able to see what it
is you're going to point a gun at and shoot.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
Absolutely, And you mentioned the expression superpower. There is a
phenomena that when people first get their thermals, I call
it the video game phenomena. Right, they think it looks
like a video game to them, it's a completely different
experience and it requires discipline to make sure that you
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get solid target ID. Yes, thermal is a miracle technology.
It really has changed everything about how we interact with
animals at the nighttime. But it it is not a
high resolution technology, so target identification is critical. You know,
people accidentally shoot things all the time, and is it
(17:57):
is it a raccoon in the brush or is it
a you're laying down.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Right, Just because you're looking at a hotspot doesn't mean
you get to shoot at it.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
So to your point is, you know, we we have
different resolutions available on the market from two fifty six
all the way to twelve eighty now, and as you
go up the price escalates and if you really get
into it, you're going to want to trade up in resolution.
But the thing you've got to understand is if you
buy the more affordable product and it has lower resolution limit,
(18:29):
the distance that you're going to engage targets is going
to give you better that's right, higher resolution, better quality Germanium.
Larger germanium lenses will extend your detection and identification ranger.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
So for me, resolution is a big deal. I hunt,
you know, I'm within three hundred yards. Two hundred is
generally my maximum, but one hundred is great to be
able to identify the difference between a big pig and
a little pig. Of course, when there's not a bunch
of pigs out there, being able to see those cold
spots to me, being able to see that fat hanging
(19:06):
off that because it shows up as darker, you know,
if I'm using white as my heat, that stuff to
me is just it blows me away. And I have
to say one last thing Ryan real quick, and I'll
butt out here. But man, fusion thermal. I didn't even
know about it until we went to your facility. People
are calling me all the time and they're like, hey,
I need to look I need a thermal, And I'm like, man,
you gotta look at fusion thermal because the prices are
(19:28):
right in my experience. I haven't hunted with your stuff yet,
and I'm going to. I promised that one day. But
from what I saw at the factory and looking through that,
I was truly impressed with the size of the optic,
the weight of the optic, and the clarity.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I'll throw another thing out because we're kind of talking
about hunting. It's fun to be able to look out
the night and see stuff. I mean, and just you're
going around if you have some property, you've got a ranch,
you got a farm, and you just see what's out there,
even if you weren't hunting, and you're identifying. You know,
there's deer, there's coyotes, there's whatever. The more you're out
(20:04):
there in the field, the more you're gonna get you're
gonna get better at identifying, right. I mean, I've figured
that out over the years. Well, wait a minute, a
deer through thermal. You notice the neck, you notice the
long legs, and you know at distance. I mean we're
talking about if this thing's at seven hundred yards, Chris,
I might have put on an amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Stalk on deer that I thought was a hog from
like seven hundred yards out and then all of a
sudden he lifted his head up from feeding.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
You went, ah, it's the deer. There's there's a neck,
there's the legs. Now I can see it. But spend
a little time out there. You don't want to be
my buddy's wife who they brought her out for the
first time on a ranch in Texas And the reality
is you're on ranches.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They say, Hey, there's.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Hogs, We would like you to shoot them. There are
also cows on this ranch. Do not shoot the cows.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Wow, big herd of hogs often mixed up together.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
Sneak up on.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Them and then boom, boom boom they're running. Shoot, Oh,
we just bought a cow.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Call the rancher. I'm really I'm really sorry, and they're like, cool,
but uh, you need to pay for it, and you
need to get this thing out of here. Try call
on a butcher at three am.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I'll tell you what I've I have. I have stalked
some amazing armadillo.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yes, Chris, what else do people need to know? And
they're just starting to get into this and look at thermal.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Well, you know, if you're if you're hunting. That's one thing, right.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
The other side of this is what thermal can do
for anybody passionate about the outdoors. There are bird watchers.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, unbelievable where you can see and they c yeah. Yeah,
they go out.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
And they cow birds and migrations. I had some ladies
come up to me at a trade show. They use
handheld thermals to fund mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Wow, lots of use it. The fun guy create a
little heat.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, lots of ways to use it. So they find
out more at fusion thermal dot com.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Fusion thermal dot com. Okay, and we'll all memes. Give
us a call if you've got some questions. You got questions,
Chris and his team has answers. Thanks for being with us.
We'll be back with more gun talk.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Filling in for Tom today.
It's Ryan Gresherman, our team of gun talkers, Kevin jarn again,
Chris Sarno back on the couch.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Welcome in, Boiz. We Uh, we've had some good guests today. Huh.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
All right, geez, I love it. I wish I wish
it could be like this all the time because it's
super interesting and.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
If you're listening to this, go check it out. We
are filming this. You can actually watch this all take place.
We're gonna be posting it or actually, I guess probably
at this point if you're listening to it, We've posted
it on the gun Talk website, gun talk dot com,
on gun talks Facebook x YouTube.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
We don't do TikTok because j I don't like to dance.
Don't want to dance. You know, Hey, what are we
gonna do?
Speaker 4 (23:07):
I don't have the app. Don't send me a video
from TikTok. I can't open it.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
I get those all the time, and I'm like, not
gonna look at it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
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Speaker 4 (23:18):
Not on my phone.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, So, guys, I was thinking about we were talking
with Jason from Lipsey's and all the special guns they do,
and it's really funny that I didn't talk about our
special gun that we're doing with Lipsy's and Ruger and Derry's,
which perhaps I should have mention people might want to
know about it.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Well, yeah, but it's funny that you didn't mention it,
because right, I mean, hey, it's cool, let's talk about
it right now.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Gun Talk Scout rifle.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's out there and if you listen to this show,
you listen to this podcast, you've heard us talk about it.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I don't know if you've.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Bought one yet, but it's a really cool gun. And
here's the here's the backstory of this gun. Guys, like
we like cool guns. We haven't ever done a long
gun as a gun talk special edition gun and looking
at Scout rifles being something that could be tactical defensive,
(24:10):
but it could be hunting. It's just it's a good
all around gun. And Chris, I know that you've shot
the Ruger Gin Too American rifle a lot, and every
time we send you outside to site one in and
get it ready for filming, what do you come back in.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Saying, I'm actually always impressed because they're very accurate, they're lightweight,
and I think I could use this in a blind Yeah,
you should stop being surprised, because that's like since they
came out that Gin two, you should stop being surprised.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
There's no there's no surprise anymore what Ruger has been doing.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, like there's none.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, just one of those guns that everybody says it
shoots better than it should because it's it's an affordable gun.
Now ours a special it's got the rail.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
It's a sixteen in Sparreal.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And probably one of the cooler things about it is
you can get it in three h eight, which is
the traditional Scout rifle caliber chambering, but you can also
get it in two two three or five five six,
I should say, and it'll take armags.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, And and that was the thing that impressed me
the first one, because the first one we got was
the Gen three in two twenty three five five six, okay,
five five six chambering. And I've never had a Bold
Action two twenty three that was accurate. And I tried
a bunch you've had really had albums.
Speaker 9 (25:34):
But what has our last two been, our last two
five five six bolt action guns that have really shot, well,
what have they been? Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Urgerst I go, Now, you're right, I mean one hundred percent.
I was. I was super impressed.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So it comes with.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
It comes with iron sights on the gun, so you
can that's kind of one of the deals about a
Scout rifle. You take out of the box, you go
shoot it, you go hunt with it, you go use
it for whatever. But it does have a long rail
on it. You know, scout scopes in general, some of
them have a scout rail, so it's a scout scope
you put out kind of like aure intermedia eye relief.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
This one.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You could run a traditional scope, you could run a
low power variable optic, you could run a scout scope.
You could run a red dot, or you can run
it with iron sights. Chris, which one would.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You do if you got one of these scout rifles?
What type of setup are you going to do? Optics wise?
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Honestly, I'd put like a nice two to ten or
something like that on it. I'd run a regular optic
because I could see value in it across the board. Now,
if I really wanted to get crazy, I'd put a
one to something on it and thermal clip on on
it because.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It's gotten a rail, real estate thermal clip on maybe
US thermal clip on right.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I say, kJ, what do you what do you think?
I think?
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Man, the five five six, I may want to go
with a red dot or you could do a forty
five degree offset red dot. Yeah on that which I like.
I like the odds rail there and that rail is
That rail is probably one of the biggest additions to
this gun. This this gun talk Scout that I like
the most because you do have those options available to
(27:27):
three oh eight. I'm probably gonna do what Chris does.
I'll go to two to ten.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I mean, it's a it is a gun, and if
you want to see it, you go to gun talkscout
dot com and that's going to redirect you onto gun
Broker and you there's a bunch of different versions of
it that you could buy it, the three o eight,
the five five six.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You can get it with a scope already on it.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You can even pay for it to already be sited
in Derry's Guns is kind of helping us out with that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They're great, they know what they're doing for me.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's a gun that you could really customize because you
do have that muzzle break or flash hider on the
end of it, so it's a thread of barrel. It's
a great gun to suppress.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know that flashhighter is coming off, coming off.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Give me, give me so, yeah, it's coming off. You're
gonna put a suppressor on it. And what's that banish?
That fatty that was.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Spanish. But you gotta get the T model.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's half Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
But I mean, I think for me, it's probably going
to be the five five six might be like a
big old red dot on the three O eight. I'm
probably going like a one.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
To six power, very low per variable optic kind of deal.
I want to keep it. I don't want to make
it big. No, it's a it's a lightweight.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Carrying around gun. Now here's the other thing, but with
ar bags. Hey, how about a forty round p mag
in that thing?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Oh yeah, well you could go out.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's your hog coyotes set up. Maybe it's a truck gun.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, it's a predator invasive species extraordinary. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
And some states this is popular because it's a bolt gun.
We should say that it's a bolt gun, so you're
not worried about the complications of oh no, it's some
semi automatic thing that's.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Not allowed here.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
It's probably allowed where you are, so it gives you options.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It also looks really cool. It's got the Cryptech camo
and the Sarah Coot finish on it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
So yeah, if you want to learn more about that
gun talkscout dot com.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Go check it out.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
It is a limited edition, so you'll kind of be
like one of the few out there that have it,
and you can brag to your buddies about it, and
then they'll say I want one.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You say, I'm sorry, They're all gone now.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Sorry anyway, We'll be back with more gun Talk right
after this.
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All right, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We keep this show rolling, this trains rolling down the tracks.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Whether you like it or not, it's happening.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Chris Reno, Kevin Jenardigan with USJJJ. So we're down here
in South Louisiana at gun Talk HQ and we get
to hunt something that isn't all over the country, and
that's alligators, and it's alligator seasons, so you have to
(32:25):
draw tags for it in Louisiana, which is crazy because
I think there are more alligators than people.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
kJ. You drew tags? Oh I drew tags.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Didn't you think you didn't draw tag when you were
you were used at the notice?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Yes, because Hannah read it wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I was like, here, read it, I need look that
was me.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah idiot. She had me depressed.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah me too, like oh wait, no you did draw Yeah?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
You regret to inform you that you have to pay
one hundred and twenty five dollars for three alligators?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
What this is like a reality show? kJ? Sorry, but
you're gonna have to go hunting this fall?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Damn.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So people have questions because they're like, seriously, alligators, why.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Do you hunt them? How do you hunt them? And
then we'll bring the gun part into this. What guns
do you guys use for them?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So, Chris, I'm gonna go real short, I'm gonna answer
them why why do you hunt them? Who gets to
do that? Who gets to go out into the swamps
and hunt alligators? One experience?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And they are edible? I would say that it's like pork.
Their meat is like pork.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yes, I don't know, they're porky.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Chicken, a chickeny pork.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I've try, like, so it's kind of has Sometimes it
has the consistency of like a calamari every one's in
a while.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Calami kind of has that like a little bit of
rubbery taste to it. The best thing to do is
make it into sausage.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
Oh no, no, no, oh, fried up? No, like I
brian it in pickle juice.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Oh yeah, you've done it.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
Yeah, brian it and pickle juice for a couple of days,
and then fry it up ranch dressing.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I think I could brine as the sole of a
shoe and pickle juice and fried delicious.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Because Gater's delicious and I love the sausage. Yeah yeah,
all right, but like sauce.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
But let's talk about guns for gators and how you
have well, because there's a certain way you have to
harvest them in Louisiana.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Well in certain areas, so like if you go to
one WMA or public hunting area riverway, like, it might
be different than the others, so check your regulations. But primarily
you can't shoot across water on a lot of these areas,
so you kind of eliminate like a long gun.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So at least have to put out debate and hook them.
Oh yeah, yeah, and then pull them in.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
I still need to harvest bamboo poles. I still haven't
cut any bamboo.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Really, you have bamboo that hangs over the water, I'll
describe it. Yeah, listening to this, and because the first
time I ever saw this, I was a kid hunting
in Cameron Parish and the guys bringing us around.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
He's like, Oh, let's go, let's go shoot some gatis. Yeah,
And I mean it was like wild.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
We're pulling up gaters on these strings because they hang
the meat over the water, and the gats come out
of the water and they bite on it and it's in.
They're hooked like a fish. But the line is tied
to the land. That's right, And then you're a tree
or a tree or something right, and you pull it
in and you pull it.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Close enough to shoot it very close.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I think probably a lot of people have seen what's
the gate on swamp people?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah? Yeah, So you put the pole in the ground
at an angle. The angle sets well based on the
strength and of amboo. Yes, kJ have a question. I
put my pole in, I run my cord up. There
doesn't matter how high I hang my chicken bait over
the water relative to the size of the gator.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Yes, like I like to be higher. I like to
be higher. And you have to watch water tables on
some of these reservoirs because overnight the water could come up,
or if it's going to rain, you know that water's
gonna come up, so you want to hang higher. And
bigger gators tend to come at a higher level.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
They can, they can jump out of the water.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
Get that they're they're swimming that tail up.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Water, jump up.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The tide comes in all of a sudden, you're just
catching crabs course fish.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
So that's the real thing. Last year, I had the
hardest time getting my bait high enough, and I'm like, oh,
it's too low, a screw it, and then I end
up with a six footer.
Speaker 9 (36:31):
You end up with six footers. But I'm telling you,
if you hang higher, just hang, just hang.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
A foot higher.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And for those listening, Chris is seeing a six footer
is small.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yes, well, I mean eight footers are common and we
can pull it. We can regular.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Now let's talk about guns here, because you you do
shoot them, but.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It kind of doesn't matter which gun. Yes, No, what
do you think.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I say, whatever's on your hip man, your carry gun.
Speaker 9 (36:59):
Whatever you got works. But whatever you could shoot accurately.
Like I used a five to seven one year. Yeah,
and it was awesome. It was perfect. It was a
little rigger five to seven.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
The gator go low recoil, yeah, five seven.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah. Like I last year, I had tags and Jacob
helped me out. I never shot one gator, but they
were my tags, and I hunted the gators. But I'm
pulling the cord. That thing comes up, it's thrashing. Whoever's
right there, whoever's got a pistol on the hip is
taking shot.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And they can do it too. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
That's the scariest no skin off my nose, whatsoever.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
The scariest thing is pulling up. You don't know how
big it is. You know, you really don't big on
the end of the open. It doesn't come up angry.
You're gonna need a bigger boat.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yeah. You could be like the Gator boys or whatever,
and then yank the heck out of it and get
him worked up so when he comes crazy or you
can pull him gentle, and all of a sudden you're like,
oh my god, oh my god, there.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Is so so it doesn't matter what caliber for gator.
I would unlike too where we're talking five five, six.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
I'm telling you, like, don't use something. You don't have
to use anything big. Yes, just like a lot of
those swamp people guys they use twenty twos.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Don't be the guy that was Also, be careful, things
are wet, things are slashing or.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh man, all around, boats move.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
How many times did you almost end in last year
end up in the water?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, me at least three times that I literally tasted
the adrenaline in my mouth, like, yeah, it was scary.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I don't want to end up with them in the water.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
See, this is another time when you're out there going
is this legal? You know, if you have to say that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
You're having a good time. This is all good.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
So gator hunting, Yeah, it's a real thing. We're doing
it down here and it's it is gator season from
from now to the end of the year for people
in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So it's pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
So what do you think if you're listening to this
right now, you know, gator hunting Thermal.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
We'd love you to join the conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Go over to gun Talk dot Com or any of
the gun Talk socials and watch what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Leave us a comment, we'll.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
Be right back.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
All right, Welcome back to gun Talk. Filling in for Tom.
It's the Gun Talk crew. I'm Ryan.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
We've got Chris and kJ here on the couch in
our new studio.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
We're filming this.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You guys gotta go watch it because maybe perhaps Tom
will let us do more of these, or maybe he's
gonna say, you guys are never allowed to do this again.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Do you think that might be the more?
Speaker 9 (39:35):
No, I think he'll be proud of what we've done today.
I think you've hosted really well. Like you you're hitting
the times like great topics.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
My premonition first thought should be jealous that he wasn't here.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
So going back to the topic at the top of
the show, guns that we used to carry and we
don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'll tell you I I used to have a Smith
and Lessons six eighty six. Now I didn't carry it.
It was kind of my home defense gun. It was
actually a graduation gift three fifty seven. It was beautiful,
it was awesome. It flooded at Katrina. It's gone. It's gone.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Also, I'll go ahead and say the Bretta Silver Pigeon
over and under, that's gone. Katrina took that one too,
since we just passed the anniversary of the year Katrina,
so those are gone. There may have been a couple
other guns that got bulldozed in that house, but kind
of a bummer after I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right after Katrina, it was going I had to go.
We'd evacuated.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
We went back down south for something, and my dad
gave me. I believe it was a Taurus twenty four
to seven.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Don't have that anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
I don't even know where it is. I can't remember
if I sold it. I probably did sell it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
But it was kind of a all.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Right, here is a pistol that will go off and people,
But it wasn't. It wasn't very ergonomic, so to speak. Chris,
we learned about uh, we went about guns with not
a thumb safety but a grip safety.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
The easy What do you think?
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, I don't know how none of us thought about
the smith and lesson Easy. I mean, really it's there.
Speaker 9 (41:22):
Yeah, we can't store everything in our minds. Yeah, I
mean like Tom, like Tom stores everything. Jason Klosner, he Yeah,
they got everything.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Up there there, steel trap, those guys kJ people getting
ready for hunting season, sighting in other other things that
we see. There's don't be the guys who are moving
the rest to sight in the gun.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
It's like a team of four people. Yeaighting in a gun.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
You've got to you just got to prepare early. You know,
we're we're mid September now by the time this airs,
and guys are like going, oh, I better go do this, man,
you're already behind the E ball. I start preparing early
for SI cess later on.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Also, baby, go shoot the gun more than just siding
the hen like, go just get comfortable with the gun,
un Chris.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Yeah, shoot some fun steel targets. We're lucky. We've got
this range here. We got that know your limits target
out there. You can shoot that from a bench. You
can keep your zero from a bench, and then you
can go to that know your limits and then try
your positions and say, all right, I can do this.
I can make these shots. I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
kJ. You're gonna take the thirty thirty with the iron
sights back out this year? No, No, Because I was thinking.
Speaker 9 (42:29):
About that and you like, oh, maybe I should pick
that now because I don't want to be there. Two
hundred and seventy five yards is like the biggest buck
of my line and going, oh, he sure looks pretty.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Chris, you gonna bring out the Springfield XDS.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I think I am. I'm gonna get it out, I'm
gonna look at it. I'm gonna have to find it
because I've got you know, I know I was divorced
and all, but I really do still have so many
guns that I have to dig.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's like when the reporter asked Tom how many guns
he has and he goes, hmmm, well more than I need,
but not as many as I want. And then it's
kind of like, where are all those guns?
Speaker 4 (43:08):
And if you know how many you have.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
But I don't have enough. Yeah, yeah, let's get those
numbers up. Those are rookie numbers everybody.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
So hopefully on this episode we gave you some reasons
to get out there, to go shooting, to get ready
for hunting season. Challenge yourself a two second braw to
hit two shots on target. If you're carrying, It's not
just enough to just carry all the time. It's not
enough to just go stand out in the woods and
Hopefully we'll see you next time on gun Talk.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Thanks for listening in a blast
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