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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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part of it, Paul, Tom Talk Gun Now here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Welcome into gun Talk.
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Guess you're listening to gun Talk coast to coast For
thirty years.
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We've been talking about guns.
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And if you're hearing this, welcome in. And if you're
hearing this and you listen to the show all the time,
you're going, who in the hell is this guy? Why
they let him on the radio? Well, it's not Tom
Gresham today, it's Ryan Gresham and Tom is off traveling
the world, and so we're filling in. So we've got
a fun show today because we've got a cast of characters.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And just a heads up for you, this one isn't live.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
We recorded a few days ago, so we're not gonna
have callers today. But you can be a part of
this because we are actually filming video, and so you
can go watch the video and you can comment on
it and kind of be a part of the conversation
on gun Talk social channels. But in the studio with
me right now is Chris Serino and Kevin Jarnigan from
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Team gun Talk.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Welcoming guys. Hey, good to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
So this is kind of our first one doing it
like this. We filled in on the show before usually
kind of just audio wise, but we've got a new set.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
We'd love for you to go watch it and.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
We'll be posting videos from this crazy thing we're trying
to do. So let's just kind of get into some
stuff we've got up on the show today. We've got
Jason Kloster from Lipsy's which he's a recurring character at
this point. Super knowledgeable gun guy, kind of the sea
grit sauce behind all those.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Special makeups that they do. That's Jason. Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
We've got Kevin Miklowski Chris, I know, one of your
favorite people in the world.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I love my Wisconsin buddy.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
From USCCA, former cop writer, just a fun, smart guy.
And then we've got Chris Wisecarver from Fusion Thermal. We're
gonna get in talking about thermal and night vision and
all that stuff. But we started, uh, we kind of
started a big conversation online this past week on the
gun Talk Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, go follow us, go
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like us, go ring the bell, all those things that
the kids are doing these days.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
But we threw some questions out.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
There as discussion points, and man, people were were fired
up and ready to talk.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
You stirred up a hornets nest man.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
So the one that I kind of I threw out
there first and I was like, I wonder if people
have any opinions about this, Well they did.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Let's see, wait a minute, let me pull it up.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I got my gunhildoes, No, no, So what gun used
to be your go to that you no longer carry
or use?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Now? I will say this, most people kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Went to assuming that we're talking about pistols carry guns,
which that's fine, but it wasn't limited to that. I mean,
it's just kind of like thinking about how guns change
over the years and technology changes, or maybe perhaps your
knowledge grows about subjects.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Chris, what gun did you used to be your go to?
And now it's not?
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Well, I've carried so many over the years and it's funny,
and I'm glad. I'm glad to be able to put
the story out there because over the years it's changed
so many times. But I did have that one. I
had that one that I really loved, and it was
the Springfield x D S nine, the four inch model
and rip safety. And I don't know how how many
(04:00):
rounds it held because I can't remember anymore, but I
the only thing I ever changed on it.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Was the sight so that I could see him better. Yep.
And I mean everybody knew that that was my gun.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It was I remember you carrying that gun. Yeah, I
mean it was. The XDS was kind of when it
came out, well it originally when it came out, it
was in forty five. Right, they had this whole marketing
campaign like, let's quit playing around.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Let's bring out the forty five.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Except I was and I had one, and I like it.
It was small and easy to carry, but it was
a single stack, right. And the forty five, I always
joked was my semi auto revolver because without the extent
of mag with the flush fit mag there were six
rounds in the gun.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Right, but it was hard hitting forty five.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
And then I always said if they came out with
it and a nine, I was going to get it.
And I did, and I had one, Max wife had one.
I probably had more than one over time. And then
they came out with the mod too, I believe even
in that.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
But I still just stuck with that original. Yeah, just
like that gun. I still have it.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
I need to get out of the box just to
look at it and reminisce one.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So what did you like about it and why do
you not use it anymore?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well?
Speaker 7 (05:11):
I liked it because it was a slim line gun.
It was very shootable, it was easy to control. I
taught classes with it, I carried it, I used it.
What I didn't like about it and why I changed out?
And I always lamented over losing that grip safety because
I'm an appendix carrier.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's nice to have a grip safety but not have
to mess with.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
A thumb safety, a manual thumb safety.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Right exactly, And I like to have that redundant safety,
especially when you're carrying appendix. I just went to a
higher capacity, smaller gun.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
More capacity, that's what you wanted.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean now my go to is the three sixty five.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It's like that's like fifty percent of America at this point.
Perhaps I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, people, I have seven of them, so I might
be an addict.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
I have a problem.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
You do have a problem.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Other guns have a grip safety but no thumb safety.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That might be a question for Jason.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, that one he's gonna he's gonna has that
institutional knowledge. He's he's seen them come and go the
mass Yes, uh kJ for you, what gun used to
be your go to and it's not anymore?
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Man, When you first posed that question, I was racking
my brain sitting there because I use every freaking every
gun I got in my safe I use and and
I was sitting there trying to think of it. And next,
DS is the first pistol I ever bought. That was
the first one that I ever bought. And I moved
on to bigger, better things or smaller, bigger things, and
(06:43):
and I sold that one to my dad, so he
still has it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So he still has it.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
But I've goten thinking about And I was like, Man,
I used to like all I hunted with was the
thirty thirty thirty.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
That's all I.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Hunted with was was the old wind start.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
That's where I started out I at iron sights and
Winchester thirty thirty.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Old buld action. Yeah. Now, if you you started out with.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
A kid, no, no, that's the Winchester ninety four.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, lever gun, but leverage. We started out with the
thirty thirties of iron sights. Are you of the opinion
like that's where kids should start out or are you're
like no, that's no.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I mean just like I don't.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I didn't start out wearing red flannel.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Like times change, Like, I mean, things changed.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You just sit still in a stand while smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah, that's all you got to do, right, walk, smell.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
But but I mean times change and techniques change, and
and there's better things out there. And I mean Chris
is probably of the other ilk because I mean, do
we just start shooting red dots? Should we just starting
shooting red dot?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That's a whole nut.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I know I'm starting on this, but but it's kind
of the same thinking on my part. Why not make
life a little bit easier for our kids?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know, like I mean, it was hard hunting with
a thirty thirty lever action when I was sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I mean, yes, you can you can kill stuff with
a thirty thirty. Yes, you can hit stuff with iron sights, but.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You are limited.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, and reminds me of my buddy who got I
think he was.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
He was like kind of doing that. He went backwards.
He was a hardcore.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Hunter and he's like, I know, this season, I'm just
gonna go old school lever action with iron sides.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
This will be fun in the woods.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Ohh.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And then a big buck walked out at like two.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Seventy five and he goes, damn it, I'm going back
to the bolt gun with a scope on it.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
What am I thinking? That's how that's.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
How it goes.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
That's that's the story of life.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
I mean, I grew up hunting with single projectile shotguns,
and I don't want to deviate from where we're where
we were at with this, but hey, once they opened
it up to different calibers and cartridges, it gave me
the to get those deer that I had.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
To walk past.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
We're talking about carry guns here, and I've been through
so many.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Heck, I even carried a car nine for a while.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Did the car is one that popped up when people
were talking about this subject.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
There were a few people that said a.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Car PM nine or a PM. Yeah what it was.
Speaker 9 (09:20):
And it's like, okay, so car k a h R.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, that was popular. They were.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
They were kind of one of those originators of pretty
great carry guns. But they were all single stack I think,
is that right?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Single stack?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They have some double stack now technically.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Striker fired, but more like shooting a revolver. It was
almost like the old SAG two fifty. I mean it
was a long trigger stroke.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
It was nice.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
But see, I'm I'm a trigger presser. I can shoot anything,
and that car just met my needs. Had a good
safe trigger for sticking it in your pants, appendix carry,
and just easy to shoot, easy to use for me.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
So let me tell you what some of these folks,
Alan Tilson, this is all comments on social media on this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
There's all you gotta have this guy right, the block guy?
Is there?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
What gun used to be your go to that you
no longer carry us? Nope, because I've only ever carried blocks.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay, there there you go, there he is.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Haven't even changed generations.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
The Toyota camery of guns just works. That's fine.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Sam says, I used to carry a five shot jayframe
snubby until a couple of instructors at a gun shop
where I worked, showed me some.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Horrific police bodycam VIDs.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
That was the day I bought my p through sixty five.
The snubby now rides and an ankle holster is back up.
It makes sense you can be convinced of like man,
you can really burn through five shots quickly, right.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We see it on First Person Defender A lot Man.
Bob says that the ninety.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Two FS Bretta Bretty too now a Commander forty five
ninety eleven.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So old schools, old school, like.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
He likes heavy guns.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Man that fellow likes a big gun, and he and
he enjoys it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
David Stevens says, Charter Arms Bulldog forty four special, that.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Used to be popa Dick's carry carry. It's what he
carried it.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Charter Arms for four special forever. Yeah, and then one
day he switched to a three sixty five.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I mean it'll get the job done, perhaps, but you're
limited on AMMO capacity and probably not real fun to carry.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I mean heavy.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I don't know bulky had to be heavy. I thought
it was. I thought it was pretty back when he
carried it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it was appropriate. Things change, uh.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Dave Vigil says, and this is switching kind of more
into the rifle side gun that you used to be
your go to.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's not anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, DPMs two sixty Remington, Andy luth or Uncle Randy, Randy.
He really revolutionized chambering ars and hunting calibers and Tuesday
sixty Remington. I mean it's still a great cartridge, but
it's kind of been eclipsed by six.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, it's an ogg.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It was, I mean some of the tactical sniper guys
from fifteen twenty years ago to sixty Remington was the
Bee's knees Chris.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, the original it was the original sixty five and
it was before that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we've got, uh, we've.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Got some fun comments here. Jeff Zach says, uh, yes.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
An M two forty nine.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But I'm a civilian, now that's funny.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
It is thank you for your service.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
The military guys always have a fun uh answer to that, like, oh,
I'll tell you about the gun I used to marry.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, it had wheels on it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, we were just to roll it around, you go, Yeah,
here we go. Car three eighty Mike. A very nice gun,
but too finicky with AMMO.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's nice though.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
It's funny a lot of these folks seem to still
have that gun and it's just been kind of repurposed.
Now it's my it's my my ankle gun, or it's
my glove compartment gun or whatever.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I wonder how many of these guys, after you pose
that question, are going to go back to it and go,
you know what, I should carry that a little bit
more often, or I should go hunt with that more often.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, still like this gun two nine, But I feel
like Chris is saying that about the XDS.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
I mean, what else am I going to do do
with it? It sits in a box, and why not
bring it out, use it for something. At least have
it in the house, because, you know what, it's still a.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Viable and once you pick it up, it's that old
familiar feel.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's nice to have multiple guns, maybe multiple places.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But yeah, that's part of the conversation.
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Hi.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I'm Kim Roady from California.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Welcome back to Gun Talk, the place where we celebrate
all things shooting, hunting, and the Second Amendment. Welcome in
to Gun Talk. Yes you are hearing it. This is real,
this is happening. We're talking about guns on the radio.
But if you listen to the show, you go that
doesn't sound like Tom Gresham. No, it's Ryan Gresham. We're
filling in today the whole Gun Talk team. We've got
(16:41):
a cast of characters on the show, Chris Serino, Kevin Jardigan,
Welcome back in. We're talking about guns that used to
be your go to but you no longer carry or
use anymore. And we've got some comments from the audience here.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That are pretty good. I like, I feel like Clayton
is just making stuff up.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
A triple barreld sawed off four gage full auto with
four fifty round drum magazines. I mean, I don't know
what that is, but I want it.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
I didn't know Kiyapa made one of them. Yeah, I
know they made a three barrel shotgun. Though there is
a three barreled shotgun.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I didn't know they had a drum fed and it's heavy.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Have you ever picked it up?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But the three barreled gun? Really, I mean, you think
about it. You're adding all that steel out there.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You know what I like about his comment is he
put some thought into it and he took the time
to respond, and it's fun and it's funny and it
makes me want one.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, and then you've got this isn't We had a
few people from California comment, and it's kind of interesting
because those of us who don't live in California or
a super restrictive state don't think about this stuff. But
in California, I was limited because my carry permit had
to have your carry guns on them.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
At that time it was a Celtech PF nine. It
was the only single stack nine milimeter until a glock
came out.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Glock forty three came out.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Once I left California, I could buy anything and move
to the Pre three sixty five and now the Springfield
Compact XDM Elite ten millimeter.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Whoo ooo.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But think about that. Think about if on your driver's
license you're only allowed that you have to qualify with
a particular car, and if you buy a new car,
you have to qualify with that car to put that
on your driver's license.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
If if you want some information, I'll tell you. As
a law enforcement officer, when I was a cop, we
had to qualify with the guns we carried, and our
secondary gun was the gun that we qualified with and
we carried, and we were limited to that. Really, when
CCW came out and carry permits came out in the
state of Ohio, then you could carry that other gun
(18:55):
if you had that CCW permit, But otherwise law enforcement
agency was not going to back you up. So I
completely understand it, and I see it.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Uh doesn't mean you like it.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
No, you don't like it. You just deal with it,
all right.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
So we got another topic for the day that we
want people to jump into, and everybody had a lot
of a lot of opinions about this one too. So
when we talk about EDC everyday carry, Okay, we think
about guns, but besides a gun, what else do you
carry every day? You gotta have your I mean Tom
(19:31):
always says, you know, pants on, gun on right, watch.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Wallet, keys, But what else is in your ed C?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch? What I always want? Amen?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
So I mean we've got we've got probably what you'd
expect from some of our audience. Chris Murphy says, on
my person a light knife, spare magazine, wallet, phone in
my bag. This stays with me, another magaz seeing another knife,
med kit, firestarter, multitool, pair, record, and various things.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Where is he going?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
kJ had interesting take on that. He says, I want
to know where this guy lives. Is it backwards Idaho?
Or is in Chicago?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah? Either one would work?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, or that kit. I think either one of those
would work. But you sit there and you think about it,
and it's like, man, that's a lot to remember every day.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I mean flashlight, knife, yeah, then of course your wallet,
your keys like that.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
So for me personally, it's you know, normally I almost
always carry a gun. If I don't, it's because I'm
lazy or I can't.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's honesty.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
And yeah, and I always have a knife in the
will to survive.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
There you go, I steal that, Chris sernoism. I got
a knife and a flash A knife and a flashlight
and the will to survive.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yeah, I mean an absence of a gun, a knife
and a flashlight, high powered flashlight in darkness, you know,
the overpowering stunning and it gives the air of this
guy's probably got a gun.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, okay, but you put an extra big clip on
your knife so they see that you're carrying a knife.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's the strategy.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes, they always notice this.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I like h Nick says, you know, besides a gun,
what else do you carry every day? Pain in my
knees and lower back?
Speaker 7 (21:24):
I like him, he's gotta be just over fifty, thinking
just over they're probably the same guy who's carrying at
nineteen eleven and the lower third of his.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Back, knife, tourniquets, multitool, quick clot wallet.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Man, this guy is ready to get into some stuff.
You never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
You never know a pencil that's good enough for John
will Wick. That's from Ken.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So that's the question on the floor.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
There's at least two questions we've thrown out for you
to start gun talk. Is besides a gun, what do
you carry every day? And then what gun used to
be your goat to that you just don't use anymore?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Maybe you've moved on to other things.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Coming up after the break, we're gonna be talking to
Jason Klausner from Lipsy's. He's a real gun guy, lots
of knowledge there.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
All right, Welcome back into gun talk. Yes you're listening
to this. We're talking about guns live across the nation,
and I'm your host, Ryan Gresham, not Tom Gresham.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Today. We are recording this a few days ago. So
if there's.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Something that broke in the news in the last several
days and you're like, why aren't they talking about this, Well, we.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Pre recorded this. I'm sorry. Cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
But we have a guest here is I always say
he's one of those guys who knows where all the
bodies are buried when it comes to guns and products
and models, and he's seeing the journey over the years.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Jason Kloster from Lipsey's, Welcome in.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Man Hey, thanks for having me over.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Thanks for coming over. So Lipsey's.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I mean, you guys are just down the road from
us in Baton Rouge, about forty five from us, So
one of the big gun distributors out there, and we'll
go I'll spend thirty seconds on you know, inside baseball
of the gun industry. Most of the gun companies sell
their guns to gun distributors who sell the guns to
gun dealers, right, Jason, that's right.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Yeah, so there's there's probably about fifteen or so distributors
across the country, and we act as the warehouse and
credit arm of the industry. Yeah, so we you know,
we warehouse the guns so you're independent local dealer doesn't
have to have tons of inventory. He can get it
in a day or two. And then we also extend
credit so they can have guns in stock and I
(23:40):
have to pay for them for thirty to sixty days,
and so it's kind of a it's a great model
and it actually in the end of the day, it
probably saves people money on guns.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Interesting. Oh we like that. Thanks, I appreciate that. So
one of the.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Things you guys are known for are special makeup guns.
I don't know if you guys were the first ones,
but it seems like that's what you guys are really
for these.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah, it probably would not the first, but it's I
would say, in the last twenty years, we've probably been
the ones that have done the most obviously, and probably
I would say, do it on a more consistent basis.
And that's really what my job's been is to is
to work with the manufacturers to find those little niche
areas that are being underserved and to come up with
a configuration that I try to find some function based
(24:22):
that's that maybe custom guys are doing, and then let's
get the manufacturer to make it. Then it's obviously readily available,
it's factory warrantied, and you can have it today.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And that's a good point to say, is like they
can go check it out lipsysguns dot com. People listening
can go, well, I want to see this stuff. What
are these special makeup guns? And it's really important. They go, well,
can I buy it? Well, they can't buy it, but
their dealer can buy it, right that.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yeah, that's probably the hardest part of our job is
to is to connect that end user to a dealer
to be able to purchase it. But yeah, we have
a dealer finder on our website, lipses dot com. So
just punching your zip code. If your dealer pops up
on that dealer front, that means that they're they're set up,
they're active, and they're ready to order.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
And me, I mean and probably wherever you live there's
a dealer that deals with Lipsies.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Yes, we got we did.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We come tens of thousands weeks.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
You have I think thirty thousand FFLs on file.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But also, by the way, if you're a dealer, if
you go in there and you're like I really want
this gun, like I don't know, you know, I don't
have that here, We're gonna call bs on this, right, Jason, Like, uh,
tell your dealer.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You can just call Ellipses right and they will ship
it to you. And like we're.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Arriving a day or we were happy to sell guns. Yeah,
like I mean, like the whole like we can't get
this gun in. I mean, yeah, there's been times when
everyone's buying guns and guns are scarce, but like, for
the most part, even if your dealer.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Doesn't have it in stock, it will be there in
a day or two, right.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Right, Yes, if it's in stock, it's you know, we
ship everything you get in two days.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
And if we don't have in stock, if and they
don't call, then their Rep's not gonna know that they
need one. So have that, have that dealer, get with uh,
get with their sales rep and let them know. And
because those sales reps are keeping notes on all that
stuff and they want to fill those orders first.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So so is there a particular exclusive one of those
Lipsy's exclusive guns lately in the last year or two three,
whatever that's been a favorite for you or maybe a
favorite for for you know, buyers out there.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Oh yeah, I would say probably in the last couple
of years, the uh, the Ultimate Carrey series, Smith and
Wessons have been Yeah, super popular.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
J frame.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
Yeah it's a Jay frame. You know. We added usable sites,
a better trigger stocks on them. We brought back to
thirty two h and or Magnum and which it's so funny,
I love true gun guys all bought thirty two's. Yeah,
we did the initial product launch here. Yeah, it range
ready and all those fifteen gun riders that were at
(26:50):
that event. They all came in thinking thirty eight and
they all left thinking thirty two.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, I shot it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
This weekend we were out the range just with some
friends shooting, and I was, you.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Know, I carry it.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
It's kind of I don't shoot it as much as
maybe i'd like to. I forget every time I shoot
it how pleasant it is to shoot that, because I mean,
it's little.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
We tell people all the.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Time on the radio show jframes are great, but they're
not necessarily always the easiest to shoot because they're small.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
They're lightweight.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
If you shoot a thirty eight special, certainly if you're
shooting a three fifty seven mag it's a lot to
hold on to. Man, you shoot the thirty two and
it's just a pleasure.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
Yeah, it's a pleasure, and you get an extra shot.
And the ambul manufacturers have really responded well on a
Federal and Remington have added knee loads and now there's
modern defensive hull points for thirty two h and R Magnum.
So we're seeing a real interest in that. We've brought
the lcr out in a thirty two h and R
Magnum version. Ye's really cool guns.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Cool.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
I like ALCR I do too. It's funny that the
LCR is kind of my house lounging around gun the.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Gun I carry, but I'm not carrying a gun exactly exactly.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
But yeah, so it's it's really that's been a really
popular series. And we've we added the titanium cylinder version
this last year, which has been I carries thirteen ounces.
I mean, you forget you have it, wow, And then uh,
we've got maybe have some new models coming on. Oh,
I want to know the one.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
I want to know the one that you wish you
had back, the one that you were like that.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Was about all.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
That was a horrible That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, what was the one that you're like, Yeah, my dad,
everybody we saw it take credit for that one. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Oh gosh, man, you know, as I was really you know,
I don't want to say we haven't had a bad one,
but you know some of the probably we haven't had
anything really bad. In the last three or four years.
We did some shotguns. I don't want to mention brands
because because it was at their fault, it was our
fault perspective that way we did. We did a pump
shotgun one time, and I thought, man, this is gonna
be great. I still I just claim it. We were
(28:49):
five years too early. It was it would have soul
well today.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, but what was it? What was the weird thing
about it?
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Which we tried a different configuration, And it's funny that
was in the very infancy of people doing dipped stocks
with zero coated metal, which at the time nobody was doing.
And I said, you know what, a kind of defensive
shot gun all dip camo probably wouldn't be cool, it
wouldn't look right.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
But if we do this the erra cot, it'll figure
it out.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
And now that's like the common well you know, Almin Potter.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Turquoise leopard print, Jason, I mean, it's everybody.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's not for everybody.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Last time we take a suggestion for you, Ryan, it's
all right.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
The question on the floor today is what gun used
to be your go to that you no longer carry
or use anymore. Think about that because after the break
I want to get your answer on that. And also
we got to talk about guns with grip safeties and
no thumb safety after the break.
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Speaker 4 (31:52):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk. We're talking with
Jason Klosterer from Lipsy's. Uh, Lipsy's the distributor maker of
special makeup guns. But I keep saying Jason's a gun
guy and we're talking on the floor. What gun used
to be your go to or maybe you carried or
even hunted with it, whatever, but it's no longer your
(32:13):
go to.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Oh man, I've gone through a ton of guns over
the years. I will say, well, my first real carry
gun was a Block twenty three. So that was during
the assault rifles ban when forty caliber was still king.
And I probably went through three of those guns, and
I would sell I hated to sell it, and the
I'd go back to it because I was still the
(32:36):
best way, which she can't quit. Maybe this time it'll work,
you know. And then then I finally got a clock nineteen.
It was like, okay, now I'm this is much better setup.
But so I would say that when you know, a
category of guns that I kind of adopted for a
while were the small pocket autos, and I kind of
got away from them, just saw too many malfunctions and
(33:00):
range with people especially drawing from compromise positions. Generally pocket
ankle guns. Those are coming out for you know, in
a weird draw. If you don't get a good grip
on them, you can have issues. Where so I kind
of went wholesale small frame revolver oh for that backup
for your hockyup back, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
And it's lucky he said for that. We were talking
about that in the last segment. You know, those jframes
and or l SR or whatever it is. They're just
so dang simple.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Simple, reliable and shoot. Yeah, I think it's a point
where I'm digging a gun out of a pocket or
ankle holster, it's probably you want to make sure it
goes bang. It's at that point, right, so I will
take the six shots of thirty two or the five
shots of thirty eight for sure. Yeah, it's kind of here.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And you talk, you said forty.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
That was one that came up for for a lot
of people online on gun talks, Facebook and YouTube and stuff,
saying I used to carry whatever it was in a
forty and they've moved away from forty and a man,
what do we do with all this forty, ammo? Because
I mean I feel like so many people. There's not
a lot of people left that are still carrying forties.
I mean, there's always like ten percent in a class
(34:07):
around here because it's just what they owned. But sure,
I mean forties. I mean you guys are seeing it
probably in your stats of gun sales. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I mean when you when you look at major manufacturers
when they introduce a new gun now they don't even
introduce it in forty anymore. Yeah, so that tells you
a lot all you really need to know. It's funny though,
there's certain brands tourists, we still sell these amount of forties. Springfield,
we still sell forties. Interesting, you know Clock, I mean,
they just just discontinued a ton of forty caliber pistols
almost I think all of them. Maybe I might have
(34:35):
left the twenty three maybe yeah, but you know, it's
just it's just not there. Law enforcement has just pretty
much abandoned it.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Well, and that's part of it, right, I mean, the
Glock forty was owned by so many people because it
was kind of that whole my cup. Buddy carries it
and he said that that's what I should carry.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And so that's what I got. I got it glock forty.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
The debate around the office though, is will forty make
a comeback? And it's funny, you know, I I think
it might have some legs in the future, but not
necessarily as for CCWUS for field use oh here, yeah,
because I think a lot of people will look at
it and go, you know what, my ten millimeter loads
and my forty Smiths and Weston loads are not terribly
(35:19):
different from with a lot of the stuff that you're
seeing out there. But the forty is such a much
more comfortable gun to shoot for a lot of people.
I don't know, I was.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Thinking, you're gonna say forty car being kind of deal.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Well yeah, maybe so, yeah, maybe so, And really those
that round does pretty good have a car being Yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I mean, so I wanted to switch gears because you
guys do sell suppressors, right, yes, Okay, So we're in
this interesting time right now where the two hundred dollars
tax stamp is gonna be going away in January, but
it's not gone away yet. A lot of places are
trying to figure this out. I mean, kind of what are.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You guys seeing right now when it comes to suppressors.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
So a lot of the major manufacturers are all bring
two hundred dollars rebates right now because they see the problem.
I mean, they basically stemy sales for six months when
they signed the bill. So we're seeing a lot of
promotional use around two hundred bucks. So my opinion is,
if you're on the fence, this is a great especially
at the company you're thinking about buying it from has
(36:18):
a rebate, I would get it now because I mean
you're gonna get it really fast.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Right.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
They're not overloaded with processing, correct, which is we figure,
you know, come to the first week of January, they're
gonna get slammed. Dealers are still bringing stuff in because
there's no two hundred dollars transfer fee from the distributor
to the dealer, so it doesn't really kill them to
have inventory right now. Because I think they've realized that
come January one, inventory's gonna be really tough to get.
(36:45):
So the dealers who are having a little foresight are
starting to pre load theirselves and stock it up and
be ready because once I think, once it hits, we're
gonna go, we'll probably have a twelve to eighteen month
period where it's gonna be tough to find stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Well. Yeah, so that's that's a good heads up because
people all just wait till January and there won't be
a two hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, but there kind of isn't. Now there might not
be a.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
Suppressor for you to buy. Yeah either, yeah you could,
you could.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Run in to come January. Yeah, you could be hard
to find a suppressor HTF. Wait times right now are
days can be hours?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Hours?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I mean maybe in a tough situation it's ten days.
But come January, we don't know what that's going to
look like. But if there is a bunch of people
trying to buy suppressors all of a sudden, we could
be looking at six months or something.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know, we don't know what
that's going to look like. But I would say I
would say if if you're in if you're in a
market and you think you won one right now, you
can probably get any suppressor that you that you're looking
for because they're sitting there and so you've got a
choice of it. Like I said, majority of these guys
are doing the rebate, So this is really a good
(37:53):
time to buy one.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
It's a great time to buy one. kJ you're gonna
buy a suppressor, you got.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
I'm always I've always got him on the list. They're
always on the list, they never leave, they're.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Always in process, they're always in process. Every gun should
have one.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I used to be one of those guys that was
very heavily in favor of Like you can get a
thirty caliber Canyon, you can put it on multiple different guns.
But as easy as it is now and there's no
way times hardly every gun should have one.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yep, put it.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think that's where we're headed, is like maybe instead
of buying the new gun, you go buy a new
suppressor and you start kind of outfitting all your guns
with a dedicated it's on this gun, it's sided in
for that gun.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I don't have to think about it.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I need the Big War stuff
was fun.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Too, the Big War suppressors.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, well, I mean maybe that's a little hit for
you guys. Go out there check out what's available, because
there's a lot available right now. Wait times are short
and it's fun. But Jason, thanks for being all of us, man.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I appreciate it. Thanks for the advice. Is fun.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Always always love having him on back with more gun talk.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I'm your host, Ryan Gresham. We're filling in for Tom today.
We got a cast of characters.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
And actually I lied.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I said, well, we'll see you next time, Jason. And
then as we went to break, I thought, wait a minute,
there was something else we had to talk about. Okay,
So Chris Serino his gun that he used to carry,
and I remember this. It was like his go to
the Springfield XTS, which was a super popular gun. I mean,
you guys probably sold tons of a metric ton of them. Now,
(39:42):
the thing about that gun that one of the things
that made it popular was it had a grip safety
kind of if you're you know, familiar with nineteen eleven's
grip safeties, but no thumb safety, which kind of to
me was.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
A best of both world situation.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
For me on a carry gun, I'm a big fan
of a thumb safety. It's totally a preference thing. But
I've just been used to shooting guns without thumb safety
for so long.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Going to a thumb safety.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I have to consciously say, take the thumb safety off him. Jason,
The question is, is there a gun besides the XDS
that has a grip safety but no thumb safety.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yes, there is.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
I know, Hey, yeah, there there's something a fact in
mind that says, I know, you'll know this.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Smith and Wisson makes an easy three eighty nine millimeters
non thumb safety version that has but they all have
the grip safety.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Okay, yeah, so you know, I think that's a great
because one of the reasons let's be honest here, one
of the reasons why like an easy and some other
new or guns the.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Same thing equal.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Okay, Yeah, the reason they put a thumb safety on
is because there's just a lot of people who buy
guns are just more comfortable having that thumb safety. Absolutely,
it's just an extra safety precaution thing. But the grip
safety is a great option, don't you think.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Yeah, Well, you know, it's it depends on how how
it's executed. The one good thing about the way Smith
and Wesson did it was it pivots. Actually the opposite
of a nineteen eleven, whereas nineteen eleven the tab is
on the bottom and you kind of have to make
sure you have you know, the grip is really perfect
there on the Smith. It's actually at the top. It pivots.
(41:24):
It swings up like this, so it's almost you almost
can't not activate it.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Oh, it's easier to activate, yeah, the way it deactivated.
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Yeah, kind of like one of the staple guns that
they go with. The lever goes up. Yeah, and uh
so it's really easy to manipulate. And you're right, Ryan,
I mean there's a lot of people who still are
more comfortable with the thumb safety. It's funny, and the
brands that we sell Smith and Wesson, they'll offer the
shields with or without the various models, and we sell
(41:52):
more with thumb safety in Smith and Wesson than non
thumb safety. But if you go to SIG like were
three sixty five, it's a complete opposite. Yeah, it's more
non thumb safety than safeties.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Well kind of goes back to your saying, like the
certain brands you still sell forties.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, not in certain brands.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's kind almost like the buyers of these brands have preferences.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
It's it's it's it's tweaking. It is strange. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
We we look at some a manufacturer always asking us, sorry,
we're thinking about the safety versus non thumb safety. Well,
it really just kind of depends, is a solid answer,
because certain certain manufacturers have success and others don't. Yeah,
I don't know. I think you know a lot of
people now that are carrying appendix. I think they're starting
to It's funny. I think a lot of thumb safeties
(42:39):
are starting to kind of come back in vogue since
the twenty eleven phenomenon. Now you've got a lot of
young shooters that are having to thumb safe thumb safeties again.
So now when they're looking at their smaller maybe Striker
Fire micro nine, Yeah, a thumb safety is a good version.
If they're carrying a staccato or something like that is
a big so.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Haring a staccato.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
I know that the double stack nineteen eleven's is it's
having a moment these days.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's been having a long moment.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
And I mean I think and maybe I sound like
an old guy, but I think it's for the gram.
I think online, I mean a lot of so much
is motivated by by what happens online. It looks really
cool because it's a great shooting gun.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
His shoes flat, but carry guns. Okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
That's a lot of weight to have it out.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
Still, Ryan Gresham talking, it's not Tom Gresham jumping yet.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
That was really right.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
I'm just saying, all right, all right, Jason, thanks for
hanging out.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
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We'll be posting videos from this crazy thing we're trying
to do. So let's just kind of get into some
stuff we've got up on the show today. We've got
Jason Kloster from Lipsy's which he's a recurring character at
this point. Super knowledgeable gun guy, kind of the sea
grit sauce behind all those.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Special makeups that they do. That's Jason. Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
We've got Kevin Miklowski Chris, I know, one of your
favorite people in the world.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I love my Wisconsin buddy.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
From USCCA, former cop writer, just a fun, smart guy.
And then we've got Chris Wisecarver from Fusion Thermal. We're
gonna get in talking about thermal and night vision and
all that stuff. But we started, uh, we kind of
started a big conversation online this past week on the
gun Talk Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, go follow us, go
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like us, go ring the bell, all those things that
the kids are doing these days.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
But we threw some questions out.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
There as discussion points, and man, people were were fired
up and ready to talk.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
You stirred up a hornets nest man.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
So the one that I kind of I threw out
there first and I was like, I wonder if people
have any opinions about this, Well they did.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Let's see, wait a minute, let me pull it up.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I got my gunhildoes, No, no, So what gun used
to be your go to that you no longer carry
or use?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Now? I will say this, most people kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Went to assuming that we're talking about pistols carry guns,
which that's fine, but it wasn't limited to that. I mean,
it's just kind of like thinking about how guns change
over the years and technology changes, or maybe perhaps your
knowledge grows about subjects.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Chris, what gun did you used to be your go to?
And now it's not?
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Well, I've carried so many over the years and it's funny,
and I'm glad. I'm glad to be able to put
the story out there because over the years it's changed
so many times. But I did have that one. I
had that one that I really loved, and it was
the Springfield x D S nine, the four inch model
and rip safety. And I don't know how how many
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rounds it held because I can't remember anymore, but I
the only thing I ever changed on it.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Was the sight so that I could see him better. Yep.
And I mean everybody knew that that was my gun.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It was I remember you carrying that gun. Yeah, I
mean it was. The XDS was kind of when it
came out, well it originally when it came out, it
was in forty five. Right, they had this whole marketing
campaign like, let's quit playing around.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Let's bring out the forty five.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Except I was and I had one, and I like it.
It was small and easy to carry, but it was
a single stack, right. And the forty five, I always
joked was my semi auto revolver because without the extent
of mag with the flush fit mag there were six
rounds in the gun.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Right, but it was hard hitting forty five.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
And then I always said if they came out with
it and a nine, I was going to get it.
And I did, and I had one, Max wife had one.
I probably had more than one over time. And then
they came out with the mod too, I believe even
in that.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
But I still just stuck with that original. Yeah, just
like that gun. I still have it.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
I need to get out of the box just to
look at it and reminisce one.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So what did you like about it and why do
you not use it anymore?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well?
Speaker 7 (05:11):
I liked it because it was a slim line gun.
It was very shootable, it was easy to control. I
taught classes with it, I carried it, I used it.
What I didn't like about it and why I changed out?
And I always lamented over losing that grip safety because
I'm an appendix carrier.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's nice to have a grip safety but not have
to mess with.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
A thumb safety, a manual thumb safety.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Right exactly, And I like to have that redundant safety,
especially when you're carrying appendix. I just went to a
higher capacity, smaller gun.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
More capacity, that's what you wanted.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I mean now my go to is the three sixty five.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
It's like that's like fifty percent of America at this point.
Perhaps I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, people, I have seven of them, so I might
be an addict.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
I have a problem.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
You do have a problem.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Other guns have a grip safety but no thumb safety.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That might be a question for Jason.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, that one he's gonna he's gonna has that
institutional knowledge. He's he's seen them come and go the
mass Yes, uh kJ for you, what gun used to
be your go to and it's not anymore?
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Man, When you first posed that question, I was racking
my brain sitting there because I use every freaking every
gun I got in my safe I use and and
I was sitting there trying to think of it. And next,
DS is the first pistol I ever bought. That was
the first one that I ever bought. And I moved
on to bigger, better things or smaller, bigger things, and
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and I sold that one to my dad, so he
still has it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So he still has it.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
But I've goten thinking about And I was like, Man,
I used to like all I hunted with was the
thirty thirty thirty.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
That's all I.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Hunted with was was the old wind start.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
That's where I started out I at iron sights and
Winchester thirty thirty.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Old buld action. Yeah. Now, if you you started out with.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
A kid, no, no, that's the Winchester ninety four.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, lever gun, but leverage. We started out with the
thirty thirties of iron sights. Are you of the opinion
like that's where kids should start out or are you're
like no, that's no.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I mean just like I don't.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
I didn't start out wearing red flannel.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Like times change, Like, I mean, things changed.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
You just sit still in a stand while smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah, that's all you got to do, right, walk, smell.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
But but I mean times change and techniques change, and
and there's better things out there. And I mean Chris
is probably of the other ilk because I mean, do
we just start shooting red dots? Should we just starting
shooting red dot?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That's a whole nut.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I know I'm starting on this, but but it's kind
of the same thinking on my part. Why not make
life a little bit easier for our kids?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
You know, like I mean, it was hard hunting with
a thirty thirty lever action when I was sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I mean, yes, you can you can kill stuff with
a thirty thirty. Yes, you can hit stuff with iron sights, but.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You are limited.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, and reminds me of my buddy who got I
think he was.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
He was like kind of doing that. He went backwards.
He was a hardcore.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Hunter and he's like, I know, this season, I'm just
gonna go old school lever action with iron sides.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
This will be fun in the woods.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Ohh.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And then a big buck walked out at like two.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Seventy five and he goes, damn it, I'm going back
to the bolt gun with a scope on it.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
What am I thinking? That's how that's.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
How it goes.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
That's that's the story of life.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
I mean, I grew up hunting with single projectile shotguns,
and I don't want to deviate from where we're where
we were at with this, but hey, once they opened
it up to different calibers and cartridges, it gave me
the to get those deer that I had.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
To walk past.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
We're talking about carry guns here, and I've been through
so many.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Heck, I even carried a car nine for a while.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Did the car is one that popped up when people
were talking about this subject.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
There were a few people that said a.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Car PM nine or a PM. Yeah what it was.
Speaker 9 (09:20):
And it's like, okay, so car k a h R.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, that was popular. They were.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
They were kind of one of those originators of pretty
great carry guns. But they were all single stack I think,
is that right?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Single stack?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They have some double stack now technically.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Striker fired, but more like shooting a revolver. It was
almost like the old SAG two fifty. I mean it
was a long trigger stroke.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
It was nice.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
But see, I'm I'm a trigger presser. I can shoot anything,
and that car just met my needs. Had a good
safe trigger for sticking it in your pants, appendix carry,
and just easy to shoot, easy to use for me.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
So let me tell you what some of these folks,
Alan Tilson, this is all comments on social media on this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
There's all you gotta have this guy right, the block guy?
Is there?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
What gun used to be your go to that you
no longer carry us? Nope, because I've only ever carried blocks.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Okay, there there you go, there he is.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Haven't even changed generations.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
The Toyota camery of guns just works. That's fine.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Sam says, I used to carry a five shot jayframe
snubby until a couple of instructors at a gun shop
where I worked, showed me some.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Horrific police bodycam VIDs.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
That was the day I bought my p through sixty five.
The snubby now rides and an ankle holster is back up.
It makes sense you can be convinced of like man,
you can really burn through five shots quickly, right.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We see it on First Person Defender A lot Man.
Bob says that the ninety.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Two FS Bretta Bretty too now a Commander forty five
ninety eleven.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So old schools, old school, like.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
He likes heavy guns.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Man that fellow likes a big gun, and he and
he enjoys it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
David Stevens says, Charter Arms Bulldog forty four special, that.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Used to be popa Dick's carry carry. It's what he
carried it.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Charter Arms for four special forever. Yeah, and then one
day he switched to a three sixty five.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I mean it'll get the job done, perhaps, but you're
limited on AMMO capacity and probably not real fun to carry.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I mean heavy.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I don't know bulky had to be heavy. I thought
it was. I thought it was pretty back when he
carried it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it was appropriate. Things change, uh.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Dave Vigil says, and this is switching kind of more
into the rifle side gun that you used to be
your go to.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's not anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, DPMs two sixty Remington, Andy luth or Uncle Randy, Randy.
He really revolutionized chambering ars and hunting calibers and Tuesday
sixty Remington. I mean it's still a great cartridge, but
it's kind of been eclipsed by six.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, it's an ogg.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
It was, I mean some of the tactical sniper guys
from fifteen twenty years ago to sixty Remington was the
Bee's knees Chris.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, the original it was the original sixty five and
it was before that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. Yeah. And then we've got, uh, we've.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Got some fun comments here. Jeff Zach says, uh, yes.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
An M two forty nine.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But I'm a civilian, now that's funny.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
It is thank you for your service.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
The military guys always have a fun uh answer to that, like, oh,
I'll tell you about the gun I used to marry.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, it had wheels on it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, we were just to roll it around, you go, Yeah,
here we go. Car three eighty Mike. A very nice gun,
but too finicky with AMMO.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's nice though.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
It's funny a lot of these folks seem to still
have that gun and it's just been kind of repurposed.
Now it's my it's my my ankle gun, or it's
my glove compartment gun or whatever.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I wonder how many of these guys, after you pose
that question, are going to go back to it and go,
you know what, I should carry that a little bit
more often, or I should go hunt with that more often.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, still like this gun two nine, But I feel
like Chris is saying that about the XDS.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
I mean, what else am I going to do do
with it? It sits in a box, and why not
bring it out, use it for something. At least have
it in the house, because, you know what, it's still a.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Viable and once you pick it up, it's that old
familiar feel.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's nice to have multiple guns, maybe multiple places.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But yeah, that's part of the conversation.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
So if you have it a piton, go over to
gun Talk Socials, watch the video, chime in, leave your comment.
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Hi.
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I'm Kim Roady from California.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Welcome back to Gun Talk, the place where we celebrate
all things shooting, hunting, and the Second Amendment. Welcome in
to Gun Talk. Yes you are hearing it. This is real,
this is happening. We're talking about guns on the radio.
But if you listen to the show, you go that
doesn't sound like Tom Gresham. No, it's Ryan Gresham. We're
filling in today the whole Gun Talk team. We've got
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a cast of characters on the show, Chris Serino, Kevin Jardigan,
Welcome back in. We're talking about guns that used to
be your go to but you no longer carry or
use anymore. And we've got some comments from the audience here.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That are pretty good. I like, I feel like Clayton
is just making stuff up.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
A triple barreld sawed off four gage full auto with
four fifty round drum magazines. I mean, I don't know
what that is, but I want it.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
I didn't know Kiyapa made one of them. Yeah, I
know they made a three barrel shotgun. Though there is
a three barreled shotgun.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I didn't know they had a drum fed and it's heavy.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Have you ever picked it up?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But the three barreled gun? Really, I mean, you think
about it. You're adding all that steel out there.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You know what I like about his comment is he
put some thought into it and he took the time
to respond, and it's fun and it's funny and it
makes me want one.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, and then you've got this isn't We had a
few people from California comment, and it's kind of interesting
because those of us who don't live in California or
a super restrictive state don't think about this stuff. But
in California, I was limited because my carry permit had
to have your carry guns on them.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
At that time it was a Celtech PF nine. It
was the only single stack nine milimeter until a glock
came out.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Glock forty three came out.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Once I left California, I could buy anything and move
to the Pre three sixty five and now the Springfield
Compact XDM Elite ten millimeter.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Whoo ooo.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But think about that. Think about if on your driver's
license you're only allowed that you have to qualify with
a particular car, and if you buy a new car,
you have to qualify with that car to put that
on your driver's license.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
If if you want some information, I'll tell you. As
a law enforcement officer, when I was a cop, we
had to qualify with the guns we carried, and our
secondary gun was the gun that we qualified with and
we carried, and we were limited to that. Really, when
CCW came out and carry permits came out in the
state of Ohio, then you could carry that other gun
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if you had that CCW permit, But otherwise law enforcement
agency was not going to back you up. So I
completely understand it, and I see it.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Uh doesn't mean you like it.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
No, you don't like it. You just deal with it,
all right.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
So we got another topic for the day that we
want people to jump into, and everybody had a lot
of a lot of opinions about this one too. So
when we talk about EDC everyday carry, Okay, we think
about guns, but besides a gun, what else do you
carry every day? You gotta have your I mean Tom
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always says, you know, pants on, gun on right, watch.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Wallet, keys, But what else is in your ed C?
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch? What I always want? Amen?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
So I mean we've got we've got probably what you'd
expect from some of our audience. Chris Murphy says, on
my person a light knife, spare magazine, wallet, phone in
my bag. This stays with me, another magaz seeing another knife,
med kit, firestarter, multitool, pair, record, and various things.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Where is he going?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
kJ had interesting take on that. He says, I want
to know where this guy lives. Is it backwards Idaho?
Or is in Chicago?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah? Either one would work?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
Yeah, or that kit. I think either one of those
would work. But you sit there and you think about it,
and it's like, man, that's a lot to remember every day.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I mean flashlight, knife, yeah, then of course your wallet,
your keys like that.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
So for me personally, it's you know, normally I almost
always carry a gun. If I don't, it's because I'm
lazy or I can't.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's honesty.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
And yeah, and I always have a knife in the
will to survive.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
There you go, I steal that, Chris sernoism. I got
a knife and a flash A knife and a flashlight
and the will to survive.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yeah, I mean an absence of a gun, a knife
and a flashlight, high powered flashlight in darkness, you know,
the overpowering stunning and it gives the air of this
guy's probably got a gun.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, okay, but you put an extra big clip on
your knife so they see that you're carrying a knife.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
That's the strategy.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes, they always notice this.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
I like h Nick says, you know, besides a gun,
what else do you carry every day? Pain in my
knees and lower back?
Speaker 7 (21:24):
I like him, he's gotta be just over fifty, thinking
just over they're probably the same guy who's carrying at
nineteen eleven and the lower third of his.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Back, knife, tourniquets, multitool, quick clot wallet.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Man, this guy is ready to get into some stuff.
You never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
You never know a pencil that's good enough for John
will Wick. That's from Ken.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
So that's the question on the floor.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
There's at least two questions we've thrown out for you
to start gun talk. Is besides a gun, what do
you carry every day? And then what gun used to
be your goat to that you just don't use anymore?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Maybe you've moved on to other things.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Coming up after the break, we're gonna be talking to
Jason Klausner from Lipsy's. He's a real gun guy, lots
of knowledge there.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
All right, Welcome back into gun talk. Yes you're listening
to this. We're talking about guns live across the nation,
and I'm your host, Ryan Gresham, not Tom Gresham.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Today. We are recording this a few days ago. So
if there's.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Something that broke in the news in the last several
days and you're like, why aren't they talking about this, Well, we.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Pre recorded this. I'm sorry. Cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
But we have a guest here is I always say
he's one of those guys who knows where all the
bodies are buried when it comes to guns and products
and models, and he's seeing the journey over the years.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Jason Kloster from Lipsey's, Welcome in.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Man Hey, thanks for having me over.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Thanks for coming over. So Lipsey's.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I mean, you guys are just down the road from
us in Baton Rouge, about forty five from us, So
one of the big gun distributors out there, and we'll
go I'll spend thirty seconds on you know, inside baseball
of the gun industry. Most of the gun companies sell
their guns to gun distributors who sell the guns to
gun dealers, right, Jason, that's right.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
Yeah, so there's there's probably about fifteen or so distributors
across the country, and we act as the warehouse and
credit arm of the industry. Yeah, so we you know,
we warehouse the guns so you're independent local dealer doesn't
have to have tons of inventory. He can get it
in a day or two. And then we also extend
credit so they can have guns in stock and I
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have to pay for them for thirty to sixty days,
and so it's kind of a it's a great model
and it actually in the end of the day, it
probably saves people money on guns.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Interesting. Oh we like that. Thanks, I appreciate that. So
one of the.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Things you guys are known for are special makeup guns.
I don't know if you guys were the first ones,
but it seems like that's what you guys are really
for these.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah, it probably would not the first, but it's I
would say, in the last twenty years, we've probably been
the ones that have done the most obviously, and probably
I would say, do it on a more consistent basis.
And that's really what my job's been is to is
to work with the manufacturers to find those little niche
areas that are being underserved and to come up with
a configuration that I try to find some function based
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that's that maybe custom guys are doing, and then let's
get the manufacturer to make it. Then it's obviously readily available,
it's factory warrantied, and you can have it today.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And that's a good point to say, is like they
can go check it out lipsysguns dot com. People listening
can go, well, I want to see this stuff. What
are these special makeup guns? And it's really important. They go, well,
can I buy it? Well, they can't buy it, but
their dealer can buy it, right that.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yeah, that's probably the hardest part of our job is
to is to connect that end user to a dealer
to be able to purchase it. But yeah, we have
a dealer finder on our website, lipses dot com. So
just punching your zip code. If your dealer pops up
on that dealer front, that means that they're they're set up,
they're active, and they're ready to order.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
And me, I mean and probably wherever you live there's
a dealer that deals with Lipsies.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Yes, we got we did.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We come tens of thousands weeks.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
You have I think thirty thousand FFLs on file.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But also, by the way, if you're a dealer, if
you go in there and you're like I really want
this gun, like I don't know, you know, I don't
have that here, We're gonna call bs on this, right, Jason, Like, uh,
tell your dealer.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You can just call Ellipses right and they will ship
it to you. And like we're.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Arriving a day or we were happy to sell guns. Yeah,
like I mean, like the whole like we can't get
this gun in. I mean, yeah, there's been times when
everyone's buying guns and guns are scarce, but like, for
the most part, even if your dealer.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Doesn't have it in stock, it will be there in
a day or two, right.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Right, Yes, if it's in stock, it's you know, we
ship everything you get in two days.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
And if we don't have in stock, if and they
don't call, then their Rep's not gonna know that they
need one. So have that, have that dealer, get with uh,
get with their sales rep and let them know. And
because those sales reps are keeping notes on all that
stuff and they want to fill those orders first.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So so is there a particular exclusive one of those
Lipsy's exclusive guns lately in the last year or two three,
whatever that's been a favorite for you or maybe a
favorite for for you know, buyers out there.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Oh yeah, I would say probably in the last couple
of years, the uh, the Ultimate Carrey series, Smith and
Wessons have been Yeah, super popular.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
J frame.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
Yeah it's a Jay frame. You know. We added usable sites,
a better trigger stocks on them. We brought back to
thirty two h and or Magnum and which it's so funny,
I love true gun guys all bought thirty two's. Yeah,
we did the initial product launch here. Yeah, it range
ready and all those fifteen gun riders that were at
(26:50):
that event. They all came in thinking thirty eight and
they all left thinking thirty two.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, I shot it.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
This weekend we were out the range just with some
friends shooting, and I was, you.
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Know, I carry it.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
It's kind of I don't shoot it as much as
maybe i'd like to. I forget every time I shoot
it how pleasant it is to shoot that, because I mean,
it's little.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
We tell people all the.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Time on the radio show jframes are great, but they're
not necessarily always the easiest to shoot because they're small.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
They're lightweight.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
If you shoot a thirty eight special, certainly if you're
shooting a three fifty seven mag it's a lot to
hold on to. Man, you shoot the thirty two and
it's just a pleasure.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
Yeah, it's a pleasure, and you get an extra shot.
And the ambul manufacturers have really responded well on a
Federal and Remington have added knee loads and now there's
modern defensive hull points for thirty two h and R Magnum.
So we're seeing a real interest in that. We've brought
the lcr out in a thirty two h and R
Magnum version. Ye's really cool guns.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Cool.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
I like ALCR I do too. It's funny that the
LCR is kind of my house lounging around gun the.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Gun I carry, but I'm not carrying a gun exactly exactly.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
But yeah, so it's it's really that's been a really
popular series. And we've we added the titanium cylinder version
this last year, which has been I carries thirteen ounces.
I mean, you forget you have it, wow, And then uh,
we've got maybe have some new models coming on. Oh,
I want to know the one.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
I want to know the one that you wish you
had back, the one that you were like that.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Was about all.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
That was a horrible That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, what was the one that you're like, Yeah, my dad,
everybody we saw it take credit for that one. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
Oh gosh, man, you know, as I was really you know,
I don't want to say we haven't had a bad one,
but you know some of the probably we haven't had
anything really bad. In the last three or four years.
We did some shotguns. I don't want to mention brands
because because it was at their fault, it was our
fault perspective that way we did. We did a pump
shotgun one time, and I thought, man, this is gonna
be great. I still I just claim it. We were
(28:49):
five years too early. It was it would have soul
well today.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, but what was it? What was the weird thing
about it?
Speaker 8 (28:55):
Which we tried a different configuration, And it's funny that
was in the very infancy of people doing dipped stocks
with zero coated metal, which at the time nobody was doing.
And I said, you know what, a kind of defensive
shot gun all dip camo probably wouldn't be cool, it
wouldn't look right.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
But if we do this the erra cot, it'll figure
it out.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
And now that's like the common well you know, Almin Potter.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Turquoise leopard print, Jason, I mean, it's everybody.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's not for everybody.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Last time we take a suggestion for you, Ryan, it's
all right.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
The question on the floor today is what gun used
to be your go to that you no longer carry
or use anymore. Think about that because after the break
I want to get your answer on that. And also
we got to talk about guns with grip safeties and
no thumb safety after the break.
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Speaker 4 (31:52):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk. We're talking with
Jason Klosterer from Lipsy's. Uh, Lipsy's the distributor maker of
special makeup guns. But I keep saying Jason's a gun
guy and we're talking on the floor. What gun used
to be your go to or maybe you carried or
even hunted with it, whatever, but it's no longer your
(32:13):
go to.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
Oh man, I've gone through a ton of guns over
the years. I will say, well, my first real carry
gun was a Block twenty three. So that was during
the assault rifles ban when forty caliber was still king.
And I probably went through three of those guns, and
I would sell I hated to sell it, and the
I'd go back to it because I was still the
(32:36):
best way, which she can't quit. Maybe this time it'll work,
you know. And then then I finally got a clock nineteen.
It was like, okay, now I'm this is much better setup.
But so I would say that when you know, a
category of guns that I kind of adopted for a
while were the small pocket autos, and I kind of
got away from them, just saw too many malfunctions and
(33:00):
range with people especially drawing from compromise positions. Generally pocket
ankle guns. Those are coming out for you know, in
a weird draw. If you don't get a good grip
on them, you can have issues. Where so I kind
of went wholesale small frame revolver oh for that backup
for your hockyup back, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
And it's lucky he said for that. We were talking
about that in the last segment. You know, those jframes
and or l SR or whatever it is. They're just
so dang simple.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
Simple, reliable and shoot. Yeah, I think it's a point
where I'm digging a gun out of a pocket or
ankle holster, it's probably you want to make sure it
goes bang. It's at that point, right, so I will
take the six shots of thirty two or the five
shots of thirty eight for sure. Yeah, it's kind of here.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And you talk, you said forty.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
That was one that came up for for a lot
of people online on gun talks, Facebook and YouTube and stuff,
saying I used to carry whatever it was in a
forty and they've moved away from forty and a man,
what do we do with all this forty, ammo? Because
I mean I feel like so many people. There's not
a lot of people left that are still carrying forties.
I mean, there's always like ten percent in a class
(34:07):
around here because it's just what they owned. But sure,
I mean forties. I mean you guys are seeing it
probably in your stats of gun sales. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
I mean when you when you look at major manufacturers
when they introduce a new gun now they don't even
introduce it in forty anymore. Yeah, so that tells you
a lot all you really need to know. It's funny though,
there's certain brands tourists, we still sell these amount of forties. Springfield,
we still sell forties. Interesting, you know Clock, I mean,
they just just discontinued a ton of forty caliber pistols
almost I think all of them. Maybe I might have
(34:35):
left the twenty three maybe yeah, but you know, it's
just it's just not there. Law enforcement has just pretty
much abandoned it.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Well, and that's part of it, right, I mean, the
Glock forty was owned by so many people because it
was kind of that whole my cup. Buddy carries it
and he said that that's what I should carry.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And so that's what I got. I got it glock forty.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
The debate around the office though, is will forty make
a comeback? And it's funny, you know, I I think
it might have some legs in the future, but not
necessarily as for CCWUS for field use oh here, yeah,
because I think a lot of people will look at
it and go, you know what, my ten millimeter loads
and my forty Smiths and Weston loads are not terribly
(35:19):
different from with a lot of the stuff that you're
seeing out there. But the forty is such a much
more comfortable gun to shoot for a lot of people.
I don't know, I was.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Thinking, you're gonna say forty car being kind of deal.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Well yeah, maybe so, yeah, maybe so, And really those
that round does pretty good have a car being Yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I mean, so I wanted to switch gears because you
guys do sell suppressors, right, yes, Okay, So we're in
this interesting time right now where the two hundred dollars
tax stamp is gonna be going away in January, but
it's not gone away yet. A lot of places are
trying to figure this out. I mean, kind of what are.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
You guys seeing right now when it comes to suppressors.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
So a lot of the major manufacturers are all bring
two hundred dollars rebates right now because they see the problem.
I mean, they basically stemy sales for six months when
they signed the bill. So we're seeing a lot of
promotional use around two hundred bucks. So my opinion is,
if you're on the fence, this is a great especially
at the company you're thinking about buying it from has
(36:18):
a rebate, I would get it now because I mean
you're gonna get it really fast.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Right.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
They're not overloaded with processing, correct, which is we figure,
you know, come to the first week of January, they're
gonna get slammed. Dealers are still bringing stuff in because
there's no two hundred dollars transfer fee from the distributor
to the dealer, so it doesn't really kill them to
have inventory right now. Because I think they've realized that
come January one, inventory's gonna be really tough to get.
(36:45):
So the dealers who are having a little foresight are
starting to pre load theirselves and stock it up and
be ready because once I think, once it hits, we're
gonna go, we'll probably have a twelve to eighteen month
period where it's gonna be tough to find stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Well. Yeah, so that's that's a good heads up because
people all just wait till January and there won't be
a two hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, but there kind of isn't. Now there might not
be a.
Speaker 8 (37:08):
Suppressor for you to buy. Yeah either, yeah you could,
you could.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Run in to come January. Yeah, you could be hard
to find a suppressor HTF. Wait times right now are
days can be hours?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Hours?
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I mean maybe in a tough situation it's ten days.
But come January, we don't know what that's going to
look like. But if there is a bunch of people
trying to buy suppressors all of a sudden, we could
be looking at six months or something.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know, we don't know what
that's going to look like. But I would say I
would say if if you're in if you're in a
market and you think you won one right now, you
can probably get any suppressor that you that you're looking
for because they're sitting there and so you've got a
choice of it. Like I said, majority of these guys
are doing the rebate, So this is really a good
(37:53):
time to buy one.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
It's a great time to buy one. kJ you're gonna
buy a suppressor, you got.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
I'm always I've always got him on the list. They're
always on the list, they never leave, they're.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Always in process, they're always in process. Every gun should
have one.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
I used to be one of those guys that was
very heavily in favor of Like you can get a
thirty caliber Canyon, you can put it on multiple different guns.
But as easy as it is now and there's no
way times hardly every gun should have one.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yep, put it.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I think that's where we're headed, is like maybe instead
of buying the new gun, you go buy a new
suppressor and you start kind of outfitting all your guns
with a dedicated it's on this gun, it's sided in
for that gun.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I don't have to think about it.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I need the Big War stuff
was fun.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Too, the Big War suppressors.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, well, I mean maybe that's a little hit for
you guys. Go out there check out what's available, because
there's a lot available right now. Wait times are short
and it's fun. But Jason, thanks for being all of us, man.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I appreciate it. Thanks for the advice. Is fun.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Always always love having him on back with more gun talk.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
I'm your host, Ryan Gresham. We're filling in for Tom today.
We got a cast of characters.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
And actually I lied.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I said, well, we'll see you next time, Jason. And
then as we went to break, I thought, wait a minute,
there was something else we had to talk about. Okay,
So Chris Serino his gun that he used to carry,
and I remember this. It was like his go to
the Springfield XTS, which was a super popular gun. I mean,
you guys probably sold tons of a metric ton of them. Now,
(39:42):
the thing about that gun that one of the things
that made it popular was it had a grip safety
kind of if you're you know, familiar with nineteen eleven's
grip safeties, but no thumb safety, which kind of to
me was.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
A best of both world situation.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
For me on a carry gun, I'm a big fan
of a thumb safety. It's totally a preference thing. But
I've just been used to shooting guns without thumb safety
for so long.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Going to a thumb safety.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I have to consciously say, take the thumb safety off him. Jason,
The question is, is there a gun besides the XDS
that has a grip safety but no thumb safety.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yes, there is.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
I know, Hey, yeah, there there's something a fact in
mind that says, I know, you'll know this.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Smith and Wisson makes an easy three eighty nine millimeters
non thumb safety version that has but they all have
the grip safety.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Okay, yeah, so you know, I think that's a great
because one of the reasons let's be honest here, one
of the reasons why like an easy and some other
new or guns the.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Same thing equal.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Okay, Yeah, the reason they put a thumb safety on
is because there's just a lot of people who buy
guns are just more comfortable having that thumb safety. Absolutely,
it's just an extra safety precaution thing. But the grip
safety is a great option, don't you think.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Yeah, Well, you know, it's it depends on how how
it's executed. The one good thing about the way Smith
and Wesson did it was it pivots. Actually the opposite
of a nineteen eleven, whereas nineteen eleven the tab is
on the bottom and you kind of have to make
sure you have you know, the grip is really perfect
there on the Smith. It's actually at the top. It pivots.
(41:24):
It swings up like this, so it's almost you almost
can't not activate it.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Oh, it's easier to activate, yeah, the way it deactivated.
Speaker 8 (41:31):
Yeah, kind of like one of the staple guns that
they go with. The lever goes up. Yeah, and uh
so it's really easy to manipulate. And you're right, Ryan,
I mean there's a lot of people who still are
more comfortable with the thumb safety. It's funny, and the
brands that we sell Smith and Wesson, they'll offer the
shields with or without the various models, and we sell
(41:52):
more with thumb safety in Smith and Wesson than non
thumb safety. But if you go to SIG like were
three sixty five, it's a complete opposite. Yeah, it's more
non thumb safety than safeties.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Well kind of goes back to your saying, like the
certain brands you still sell forties.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, not in certain brands.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's kind almost like the buyers of these brands have preferences.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
It's it's it's it's tweaking. It is strange. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (42:18):
We we look at some a manufacturer always asking us, sorry,
we're thinking about the safety versus non thumb safety. Well,
it really just kind of depends, is a solid answer,
because certain certain manufacturers have success and others don't. Yeah,
I don't know. I think you know a lot of
people now that are carrying appendix. I think they're starting
to It's funny. I think a lot of thumb safeties
(42:39):
are starting to kind of come back in vogue since
the twenty eleven phenomenon. Now you've got a lot of
young shooters that are having to thumb safe thumb safeties again.
So now when they're looking at their smaller maybe Striker
Fire micro nine, Yeah, a thumb safety is a good version.
If they're carrying a staccato or something like that is
a big so.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Haring a staccato.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
I know that the double stack nineteen eleven's is it's
having a moment these days.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's been having a long moment.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
And I mean I think and maybe I sound like
an old guy, but I think it's for the gram.
I think online, I mean a lot of so much
is motivated by by what happens online. It looks really
cool because it's a great shooting gun.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
His shoes flat, but carry guns. Okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
That's a lot of weight to have it out.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
Still, Ryan Gresham talking, it's not Tom Gresham jumping yet.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
That was really right.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
I'm just saying, all right, all right, Jason, thanks for
hanging out.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
We'll be back with more gun talking.
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